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	<title>Comments on: Immigration rally disrupted by police.</title>
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		<title>By: Milo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 17:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate these videos.  What videos like these don&#039;t show are the peopel throwing rocks, spitting, and attacking police who are there for no reason but to make sure things don&#039;t get out of hand.  What of the video by the mexican networks?  Those broadcasters were actually in an area they were not allowed to be taping in, and ofcourse they show only the police reacting, but not why they are reacting.  I have no compassion for these people.  Go ahead, get your amnesty, but make no attempt to get your citizenship legally on your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate these videos.  What videos like these don&#8217;t show are the peopel throwing rocks, spitting, and attacking police who are there for no reason but to make sure things don&#8217;t get out of hand.  What of the video by the mexican networks?  Those broadcasters were actually in an area they were not allowed to be taping in, and ofcourse they show only the police reacting, but not why they are reacting.  I have no compassion for these people.  Go ahead, get your amnesty, but make no attempt to get your citizenship legally on your own.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3827212', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: lulu</title>
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		<dc:creator>lulu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 19:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude what the hell is wrong with u people and treat them like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude what the hell is wrong with u people and treat them like that.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3806921', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Last American</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Last American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 13:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Makkar -- Are you telling us that the U.S. politicians are throwing 30 million immigrants in gas chambers, lining them up against walls and shooting them, burning their homes and cities, making carpets and lamp shades from the hair from their dead bodies, and burying them in mass graves? Don&#039;t compare U.S. politicians to Hitler. The U.S. was one of the countries that liberated the Jews from the camps. Immigrants know the consequences of what can happen to their families when they come here illegally and THEY are putting their OWN families in jeopardy with the poor choices they make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Makkar &#8212; Are you telling us that the U.S. politicians are throwing 30 million immigrants in gas chambers, lining them up against walls and shooting them, burning their homes and cities, making carpets and lamp shades from the hair from their dead bodies, and burying them in mass graves? Don&#8217;t compare U.S. politicians to Hitler. The U.S. was one of the countries that liberated the Jews from the camps. Immigrants know the consequences of what can happen to their families when they come here illegally and THEY are putting their OWN families in jeopardy with the poor choices they make.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3795668', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave Makkar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Makkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 19:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FEDERAL &amp; NEW JERSEY SPEND $100,000.00 TO PROTECT A RACIST COP

Who says apartheid and racial inequalities have been abolished in America? Field office of Immigration and Custom Enforcement ICE in Newark, New Jersey belonging to Federal Government and the State of New Jersey has spend almost $100,000.00 to save a white Patrolman Michael Dotro accused of Police Brutality under racial bias by a colored skin store clerk Rajnikant Parikh belonging to a minority community. 

This community of Indian origin talk about their rich culture, heritage, big wealth created in America and non-violent very docile peace loving nature has mixed up their cowardliness &amp; factionalism with that for not helping the poor victim Rajnikant Parikh of Police Brutality. They never even raised their concern or protested why the Police Union called the entire community of Indian origin living in New Jersey, Cockroaches, Animals, Illiterates, Illegal go home in the presence of Print &amp; TV Media.

By the way New Jersey is legally corrupt and legally racially segregated state under a political rookie, maverick and a thug from Wall Street Governor Jon Corzine. He started his political adventures in 2000 with the blessings of then President Bill Clinton &amp; his wife Hillary Clinton both of who lacks core convictions and was the first one to support him. Jon Corzine created a history in America at that time by buying a US Senate seat for $63 million but soon he got fed up and gave up that seat for another $84 million to become the King of the worldâ€™s most corrupt &amp; racist Princely State New Jersey. Against the state average of 28% polling, Corzine got 97% polling in the township of Irvington!

A piece of advice to Senator Barak Obama and his supporters please do not waste your energy, money, time and other resources in the contest for White House. If the Federal &amp; State of New Jersey alone can spend over $100,000.00 to protect a white Patrolman Dotro, think of Federal and all 50 state machineries how much they can spend to protect their white supremacy? Senator please spends that money and resources to bring one type of education in America. Springfield Twp. has class size of 18-20 and every student 6th grade onward has a Lap Top with broad band connection to carry home. Irvington Twp. class size 35-38 and students sit on window sills and play ground being used as a parking lot! Both the towns are 5 miles apart and are in the legally racially segregated Princely State of New Jersey with 588 Kingdoms in 566 racially carved out Princely Estates.

Maverick, Rookie and Thug Corzineâ€™s Attorney General Stubner abandoned the 3 month long on going investigations into the financial misappropriations of a School Board started on my complaints. He ordered audit of our small business in 375 sq feet which lasted for almost 2 months, whereas our previous audits including the 1 by IRS never lasted for more than 2 days! In 7 years of our existence we have been audited 6 times and similar businesses belonging to the community who controls trade, commerce, real estate and politics are rarely audited, in some cases 10 years! In New Jewrsey â€œJews are above lawâ€ they can even blow up a Hill to make luxury condos!

Is New Jersey part of the champion of Democracy â€œUnited States of America?â€
Dave Makkar
RAJNIKANT PARIKH WAS DEPORTED ON APRIL 12, 2006 BY FEW RACIST IN NJ.
www.citizensfordemocracynj.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FEDERAL &amp; NEW JERSEY SPEND $100,000.00 TO PROTECT A RACIST COP</p>
<p>Who says apartheid and racial inequalities have been abolished in America? Field office of Immigration and Custom Enforcement ICE in Newark, New Jersey belonging to Federal Government and the State of New Jersey has spend almost $100,000.00 to save a white Patrolman Michael Dotro accused of Police Brutality under racial bias by a colored skin store clerk Rajnikant Parikh belonging to a minority community. </p>
<p>This community of Indian origin talk about their rich culture, heritage, big wealth created in America and non-violent very docile peace loving nature has mixed up their cowardliness &amp; factionalism with that for not helping the poor victim Rajnikant Parikh of Police Brutality. They never even raised their concern or protested why the Police Union called the entire community of Indian origin living in New Jersey, Cockroaches, Animals, Illiterates, Illegal go home in the presence of Print &amp; TV Media.</p>
<p>By the way New Jersey is legally corrupt and legally racially segregated state under a political rookie, maverick and a thug from Wall Street Governor Jon Corzine. He started his political adventures in 2000 with the blessings of then President Bill Clinton &amp; his wife Hillary Clinton both of who lacks core convictions and was the first one to support him. Jon Corzine created a history in America at that time by buying a US Senate seat for $63 million but soon he got fed up and gave up that seat for another $84 million to become the King of the worldâ€™s most corrupt &amp; racist Princely State New Jersey. Against the state average of 28% polling, Corzine got 97% polling in the township of Irvington!</p>
<p>A piece of advice to Senator Barak Obama and his supporters please do not waste your energy, money, time and other resources in the contest for White House. If the Federal &amp; State of New Jersey alone can spend over $100,000.00 to protect a white Patrolman Dotro, think of Federal and all 50 state machineries how much they can spend to protect their white supremacy? Senator please spends that money and resources to bring one type of education in America. Springfield Twp. has class size of 18-20 and every student 6th grade onward has a Lap Top with broad band connection to carry home. Irvington Twp. class size 35-38 and students sit on window sills and play ground being used as a parking lot! Both the towns are 5 miles apart and are in the legally racially segregated Princely State of New Jersey with 588 Kingdoms in 566 racially carved out Princely Estates.</p>
<p>Maverick, Rookie and Thug Corzineâ€™s Attorney General Stubner abandoned the 3 month long on going investigations into the financial misappropriations of a School Board started on my complaints. He ordered audit of our small business in 375 sq feet which lasted for almost 2 months, whereas our previous audits including the 1 by IRS never lasted for more than 2 days! In 7 years of our existence we have been audited 6 times and similar businesses belonging to the community who controls trade, commerce, real estate and politics are rarely audited, in some cases 10 years! In New Jewrsey â€œJews are above lawâ€ they can even blow up a Hill to make luxury condos!</p>
<p>Is New Jersey part of the champion of Democracy â€œUnited States of America?â€<br />
Dave Makkar<br />
RAJNIKANT PARIKH WAS DEPORTED ON APRIL 12, 2006 BY FEW RACIST IN NJ.<br />
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		<title>By: Dave Makkar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Makkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 19:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30 MILLION ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS &amp; WORST THAN HITLER US POLITICIANS

USA who claims to be champion of Civil Rights and Richest Democracy has 10% of its Population with no documents. Which are almost 30 million people living in this country who is undocumented out of the total population of 290 million.

The various branches of the US Federal government like Congress, Senate and President himself has been stating since 2005 that there are more than 12 million illegal immigrants/undocumented immigrants and they are working on providing some relief to them on humanitarian grounds. After almost 2 years that relief is still illusive.

This Federal government and politicians belonging to both Political Parties are misrepresenting, there are another 12-15 million people who have entered USA legally but has over stayed in America due to various reasons and does not want to go back. So here we are talking about 30 million human lives. All those who are in various branches of the Federal Governments and running state &amp; local governments are playing with 30 million human lives as if they are toys and enjoying the miseries and sufferings of these human lives and still call themselves &quot;Champions of Democracy &amp; Civil Rights.&quot;

The Immigration and Custom Enforcement ICE is every day indulging in Selective Enforcement of Law rather than stopping the new influx of unskilled individuals entering USA illegally for the benefit of big businesses, who have vested interest in new cheap unskilled labor which they can not find in America. ICE is breaking up families, breaking up lives that have not seen anything but America for almost 2 decades. Then ICE without application of human mind, compassion and feelings separating US born underage adolescent children from their undocumented parents. There are no other words for these cowardly acts other than barbaric, inhuman and human genocide. 

There is no point in waiting for US Politicians to get serious about Immigration Reforms; they will always choose the path of least resistance. Here we are talking about 30 million human lives, why as the most civilized and richest society in the world we are not behaving like human beings? Do we have lost compassion, passion, emotions and brain all of which gives us the ability to differentiate between ethical &amp; unethical, moral and immoral and finally what is right &amp; what is wrong? Are we mere Animals? US Politicians are worse than Hitler who took 6 million innocent human lives of Jews in Europe. In USA these Politicians who swear by Human Rights are destroying 30 million human lives and what we should call them?


Dave Makkar
www.citizensfordemocracynj.org</description>
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<p>USA who claims to be champion of Civil Rights and Richest Democracy has 10% of its Population with no documents. Which are almost 30 million people living in this country who is undocumented out of the total population of 290 million.</p>
<p>The various branches of the US Federal government like Congress, Senate and President himself has been stating since 2005 that there are more than 12 million illegal immigrants/undocumented immigrants and they are working on providing some relief to them on humanitarian grounds. After almost 2 years that relief is still illusive.</p>
<p>This Federal government and politicians belonging to both Political Parties are misrepresenting, there are another 12-15 million people who have entered USA legally but has over stayed in America due to various reasons and does not want to go back. So here we are talking about 30 million human lives. All those who are in various branches of the Federal Governments and running state &amp; local governments are playing with 30 million human lives as if they are toys and enjoying the miseries and sufferings of these human lives and still call themselves &#8220;Champions of Democracy &amp; Civil Rights.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Immigration and Custom Enforcement ICE is every day indulging in Selective Enforcement of Law rather than stopping the new influx of unskilled individuals entering USA illegally for the benefit of big businesses, who have vested interest in new cheap unskilled labor which they can not find in America. ICE is breaking up families, breaking up lives that have not seen anything but America for almost 2 decades. Then ICE without application of human mind, compassion and feelings separating US born underage adolescent children from their undocumented parents. There are no other words for these cowardly acts other than barbaric, inhuman and human genocide. </p>
<p>There is no point in waiting for US Politicians to get serious about Immigration Reforms; they will always choose the path of least resistance. Here we are talking about 30 million human lives, why as the most civilized and richest society in the world we are not behaving like human beings? Do we have lost compassion, passion, emotions and brain all of which gives us the ability to differentiate between ethical &amp; unethical, moral and immoral and finally what is right &amp; what is wrong? Are we mere Animals? US Politicians are worse than Hitler who took 6 million innocent human lives of Jews in Europe. In USA these Politicians who swear by Human Rights are destroying 30 million human lives and what we should call them?</p>
<p>Dave Makkar<br />
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		<title>By: ADAYWITHOUTAMEXICAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>ADAYWITHOUTAMEXICAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just because your white you think you can do anything you want &quot;.. White people werent in this country to start off with. They came and took over Indians, and thats why Indians have reservations around the world. So white people are basically immigrants because they &#039;re white asses immigrated to the united states from England!! France!! or wherever the hell you guyz are from! just like you tell us mexicans! and no i&#039;m not saying anything bad, but its messed up how our race marched in peace, and the LAPD destrupticed everything! and The police should get in trouble for that..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just because your white you think you can do anything you want &#8220;.. White people werent in this country to start off with. They came and took over Indians, and thats why Indians have reservations around the world. So white people are basically immigrants because they &#8216;re white asses immigrated to the united states from England!! France!! or wherever the hell you guyz are from! just like you tell us mexicans! and no i&#8217;m not saying anything bad, but its messed up how our race marched in peace, and the LAPD destrupticed everything! and The police should get in trouble for that..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3791025', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RedNeckPossie</title>
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		<dc:creator>RedNeckPossie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 19:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several issues at hand here.  The main one is in regards to the response of the Police.  The lessor one is in regards to illegal immigrants.  

First off, the Hispanic people were not the only people at the park, and were not the only ones beaten.  Second, how does anyone condone beating a child, a women or anyone for that matter unless it is a life or death situation?

One of the main lawsuits already filed involves a women reporter for a news station that was beaten by a Police Officer until her wrists was broken, and the officer hit her in the breast.  What kind of sick person condones beating a women or a child or shooting rubber bullets at them?

&lt;b&gt;What is the point of this, unless to create fear or to show power?&lt;/b&gt;

Every officer that hit someone at that rally needs to be removed from the police force and never be allowed to act in that capacity again.  Furthermore their employment record, and FBI record should show clearly that they were removed from duty for assault and battery, and illegal use of force.  Regardless of who gave the orders, the Chief of Police should step down, and the Mayor should not only apologize for the incident, but should promise that it will never happen again.

In regards to the illegal immigrants:  This is a perfect place to round them up peacefully, and take them back to Mexico where they belong until they can legally immigrate in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several issues at hand here.  The main one is in regards to the response of the Police.  The lessor one is in regards to illegal immigrants.  </p>
<p>First off, the Hispanic people were not the only people at the park, and were not the only ones beaten.  Second, how does anyone condone beating a child, a women or anyone for that matter unless it is a life or death situation?</p>
<p>One of the main lawsuits already filed involves a women reporter for a news station that was beaten by a Police Officer until her wrists was broken, and the officer hit her in the breast.  What kind of sick person condones beating a women or a child or shooting rubber bullets at them?</p>
<p><b>What is the point of this, unless to create fear or to show power?</b></p>
<p>Every officer that hit someone at that rally needs to be removed from the police force and never be allowed to act in that capacity again.  Furthermore their employment record, and FBI record should show clearly that they were removed from duty for assault and battery, and illegal use of force.  Regardless of who gave the orders, the Chief of Police should step down, and the Mayor should not only apologize for the incident, but should promise that it will never happen again.</p>
<p>In regards to the illegal immigrants:  This is a perfect place to round them up peacefully, and take them back to Mexico where they belong until they can legally immigrate in the US.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3788297', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: thinkhuman</title>
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		<dc:creator>thinkhuman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 22:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that our Constitution does not distinguish between &#039;legal&#039; or &#039;illegal&#039; immigrants when addressing inalienable rights. I might also be mistaken, but the Declaration of Independence begins with the follwoing 3 words:  We the People. I&#039;m assuming we should have that changed to read : We the legally resident People. As for the use of less-lethal weapons, what ever happened to the use of high pressure water hoses to disperse mobs? Oh, and a PEACEFUL, legally organized and sanctioned gathering of individuals in a public park epitomizes what this country is all about. Or does clandestine meetings of anarchy sound more palatable? And for those less fortunate to know first hand about illegal workers in California, yeah, they are the ones laboring in the fields for measley wages and substandard living conditons, they are the ones doing the jobs that no one else wants. If you don&#039;t beleive me, ask any black man holding up a sign that reads: Will work for food. If you want to end the illegal immigration issue, then look at the countires of origin and ask the leaders to intervene or risk losing vital US funded economic/military aid. The US would be flooded with illegal immigrants from other countries were it not for 2 things: the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that our Constitution does not distinguish between &#8216;legal&#8217; or &#8216;illegal&#8217; immigrants when addressing inalienable rights. I might also be mistaken, but the Declaration of Independence begins with the follwoing 3 words:  We the People. I&#8217;m assuming we should have that changed to read : We the legally resident People. As for the use of less-lethal weapons, what ever happened to the use of high pressure water hoses to disperse mobs? Oh, and a PEACEFUL, legally organized and sanctioned gathering of individuals in a public park epitomizes what this country is all about. Or does clandestine meetings of anarchy sound more palatable? And for those less fortunate to know first hand about illegal workers in California, yeah, they are the ones laboring in the fields for measley wages and substandard living conditons, they are the ones doing the jobs that no one else wants. If you don&#8217;t beleive me, ask any black man holding up a sign that reads: Will work for food. If you want to end the illegal immigration issue, then look at the countires of origin and ask the leaders to intervene or risk losing vital US funded economic/military aid. The US would be flooded with illegal immigrants from other countries were it not for 2 things: the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3787504', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul in LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 22:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you are a racist opposed to what you call &#039;illegal immigration,&#039; then indeed that does make you a racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you are a racist opposed to what you call &#8216;illegal immigration,&#8217; then indeed that does make you a racist.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3787477', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul in LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 22:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Katherine â€” From what I understand all this started when a woman police officer got pushed off her motorcycle by protestorsâ€¦explain how that is a â€œpeaceful protestâ€, please.&quot; --The Last American

A single incident is solved by arresting that person or persons. That person may have been related to the woman hit by the motorcycle, in which case the &#039;peaceful&#039; question moves to the police themselves.

The march itself, like the much larger march downtown, was entirely peaceful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Katherine â€” From what I understand all this started when a woman police officer got pushed off her motorcycle by protestorsâ€¦explain how that is a â€œpeaceful protestâ€, please.&#8221; &#8211;The Last American</p>
<p>A single incident is solved by arresting that person or persons. That person may have been related to the woman hit by the motorcycle, in which case the &#8216;peaceful&#8217; question moves to the police themselves.</p>
<p>The march itself, like the much larger march downtown, was entirely peaceful.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3787476', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Last American</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/immigrant-march-disrupted-by-police/comment-page-6/#comment-3787463</link>
		<dc:creator>The Last American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 22:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katherine -- From what I understand all this started when a woman police officer got pushed off her motorcycle by protestors...explain how that is a &quot;peaceful protest&quot;, please.

 Also, immigrants already have rights, it&#039;s the illegal immigrants that  want rights, and being against the illegal immigrants movement does not make someone &quot;racist&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katherine &#8212; From what I understand all this started when a woman police officer got pushed off her motorcycle by protestors&#8230;explain how that is a &#8220;peaceful protest&#8221;, please.</p>
<p> Also, immigrants already have rights, it&#8217;s the illegal immigrants that  want rights, and being against the illegal immigrants movement does not make someone &#8220;racist&#8221;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3787463', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: boned</title>
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		<dc:creator>boned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 03:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see lots of comments about &quot;illegal&quot; Mexican immigrants and how they don&#039;t deserve any rights.

Haven&#039;t seen anyone comment on the fact that the US actually took CA from THEM. How about some self-serving arguments about the &quot;legality&quot; of that move?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see lots of comments about &#8220;illegal&#8221; Mexican immigrants and how they don&#8217;t deserve any rights.</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t seen anyone comment on the fact that the US actually took CA from THEM. How about some self-serving arguments about the &#8220;legality&#8221; of that move?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3785983', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 23:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo all u racist bitches go to hell ....immmigrants got to stand up for their rights in this country it was really horrible what those police officers did.. I mean the protest was peaceful they had no right to do that. Their was kids and parents in this rally this is police brutally</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo all u racist bitches go to hell &#8230;.immmigrants got to stand up for their rights in this country it was really horrible what those police officers did.. I mean the protest was peaceful they had no right to do that. Their was kids and parents in this rally this is police brutally<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3785503', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Just Saying</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Saying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 21:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#80

#75.

Iâ€™ve got a better solution - the Illegal immigrants can stay here - IF &amp; WHEN they return from a 3 year tour of duty in Iraq. That way we can solve two problems - weâ€™ll cut down the # of actual US citizens dieing in Iraq; and these people presently breaking the law can earn citizenship by showing they will really fight for this country.

go chew on that for a bit!!

Comment by chris â€” May 2, 2007 @ 9:47 am

About 69,000 non U.S. soldiers are in Iraq. Why aren&#039;t you?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/112806dnteximmigmilitary.331e2bd.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#80</p>
<p>#75.</p>
<p>Iâ€™ve got a better solution &#8211; the Illegal immigrants can stay here &#8211; IF &amp; WHEN they return from a 3 year tour of duty in Iraq. That way we can solve two problems &#8211; weâ€™ll cut down the # of actual US citizens dieing in Iraq; and these people presently breaking the law can earn citizenship by showing they will really fight for this country.</p>
<p>go chew on that for a bit!!</p>
<p>Comment by chris â€” May 2, 2007 @ 9:47 am</p>
<p>About 69,000 non U.S. soldiers are in Iraq. Why aren&#8217;t you?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/112806dnteximmigmilitary.331e2bd.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/112806dnteximmigmilitary.331e2bd.html</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3785244', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul in LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 20:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The great majority of Latino LEGAL RESIDENTS.&quot;

The great majority ARE Latino legal residents. MacArthur Park is a community, not a parking lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The great majority of Latino LEGAL RESIDENTS.&#8221;</p>
<p>The great majority ARE Latino legal residents. MacArthur Park is a community, not a parking lot.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3785109', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul in LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 20:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are two ways to speak to a police officer; yes sir and no sir.&quot;

Great. Now get your big toe off our impeachment rights, since you are so respecting of law and order.

&quot;When a police officer tells you to get off the street, you get off the street, donâ€™t give them grief.&quot;

This was not a street. This was A PARK. Try to conceive the difference.

&quot;theyâ€™re glad they didnâ€™t get shot and stabbed, which is probably what wouldâ€™ve happened in the country they ran from.&quot;

Well, you racist pig. The people at MacArthur park no doubt include some &#039;illegals.&#039; The great majority of Latino LEGAL RESIDENTS.

&quot;As for the warning from the helicopters coming in Englishâ€¦yeah thatâ€™s the American languageâ€¦&quot;

What does that have to do with crowd control? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

&quot;Instead of hanging little Mexican flags from their rear view mirrors they should hang white surrender flags.&quot;

You wingers are the real surrender monkeys.

&quot;Itâ€™s pretty sad when the citizens in Finland speak better English than the citizens in Miami and L.A.&quot; --The Last American

That&#039;s sad? Finland is a white supremacist&#039;s dream. Why don&#039;t you move there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are two ways to speak to a police officer; yes sir and no sir.&#8221;</p>
<p>Great. Now get your big toe off our impeachment rights, since you are so respecting of law and order.</p>
<p>&#8220;When a police officer tells you to get off the street, you get off the street, donâ€™t give them grief.&#8221;</p>
<p>This was not a street. This was A PARK. Try to conceive the difference.</p>
<p>&#8220;theyâ€™re glad they didnâ€™t get shot and stabbed, which is probably what wouldâ€™ve happened in the country they ran from.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, you racist pig. The people at MacArthur park no doubt include some &#8216;illegals.&#8217; The great majority of Latino LEGAL RESIDENTS.</p>
<p>&#8220;As for the warning from the helicopters coming in Englishâ€¦yeah thatâ€™s the American languageâ€¦&#8221;</p>
<p>What does that have to do with crowd control? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.</p>
<p>&#8220;Instead of hanging little Mexican flags from their rear view mirrors they should hang white surrender flags.&#8221;</p>
<p>You wingers are the real surrender monkeys.</p>
<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s pretty sad when the citizens in Finland speak better English than the citizens in Miami and L.A.&#8221; &#8211;The Last American</p>
<p>That&#8217;s sad? Finland is a white supremacist&#8217;s dream. Why don&#8217;t you move there?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3785100', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Evil Spaniard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil Spaniard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 18:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing how a thread about an immigration rally attracts like a magnet so many fascist and racist authoritarians.

There are so many bigoted comments right upside, that is very difficult to answer all of them.

Fair warning: if you feel yourself urged to this post in a mean way, probably it&#039;s because you&#039;re a bigot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how a thread about an immigration rally attracts like a magnet so many fascist and racist authoritarians.</p>
<p>There are so many bigoted comments right upside, that is very difficult to answer all of them.</p>
<p>Fair warning: if you feel yourself urged to this post in a mean way, probably it&#8217;s because you&#8217;re a bigot.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3784654', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Last American</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/immigrant-march-disrupted-by-police/comment-page-5/#comment-3784273</link>
		<dc:creator>The Last American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two ways to speak to a police officer; yes sir and no sir. Properly raised Americans know this. When a police officer tells you to get off the street, you get off the street, don&#039;t give them grief. You give them grief and make them angry they will respond in kind. Every action has a reaction and this is what happened. Did they &quot;rise up&quot; against the police for what they did? No, they can&#039;t do it in their own country what makes you think they&#039;ll do it here. They&#039;re whining and crying they got jabbed with blunt sticks and shot with rubber bullets when they should be saying they&#039;re glad they didn&#039;t get shot and stabbed, which is probably what would&#039;ve happened in  the country they ran from.

 As for the warning from the helicopters coming in English...yeah that&#039;s the American language...are we supposed to feel bad because immigrants won&#039;t try to integrate and insist on trying to making their broken down culture stick in the U.S.? Broken down as in it&#039;s not working in they&#039;re own country so they bring it here. Instead of hanging little Mexican flags from their rear view mirrors they should hang white surrender flags. If you want to come to America and be American then be American and integrate and not replace. If they don&#039;t want to be American run the other way from their country, no ones stopping them from running into the ocean. It&#039;s pretty sad when the citizens in Finland speak better English than the citizens in Miami and L.A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two ways to speak to a police officer; yes sir and no sir. Properly raised Americans know this. When a police officer tells you to get off the street, you get off the street, don&#8217;t give them grief. You give them grief and make them angry they will respond in kind. Every action has a reaction and this is what happened. Did they &#8220;rise up&#8221; against the police for what they did? No, they can&#8217;t do it in their own country what makes you think they&#8217;ll do it here. They&#8217;re whining and crying they got jabbed with blunt sticks and shot with rubber bullets when they should be saying they&#8217;re glad they didn&#8217;t get shot and stabbed, which is probably what would&#8217;ve happened in  the country they ran from.</p>
<p> As for the warning from the helicopters coming in English&#8230;yeah that&#8217;s the American language&#8230;are we supposed to feel bad because immigrants won&#8217;t try to integrate and insist on trying to making their broken down culture stick in the U.S.? Broken down as in it&#8217;s not working in they&#8217;re own country so they bring it here. Instead of hanging little Mexican flags from their rear view mirrors they should hang white surrender flags. If you want to come to America and be American then be American and integrate and not replace. If they don&#8217;t want to be American run the other way from their country, no ones stopping them from running into the ocean. It&#8217;s pretty sad when the citizens in Finland speak better English than the citizens in Miami and L.A.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3784273', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul in LA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul in LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 09:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard some local radio reports (KPFK) that stated that it was SWAT who attacked those people in MacArthur park. One of the interviews with a fellow who said that people werenâ€™t even throwing things &lt;b&gt;ANY MORE&lt;/b&gt; when he was hit in the ribs by a baton (at 7th &amp; Alvarado). 

If this chronology is correct, then the &#039;problem group&#039; the event organizer spoke of acted directly against the LAPD at that corner, and the police assault was extended to the park -- even though the permit was for an evening event. In that case, the earlier event was used as a pretext for barring the evening event -- that smells of Bushco. 

(Bush, in 2003, drove MLK Jr. birthday celebrants in Atlanta from their daylong event and forced them behind a long row of city buses.)

Video does clearly show that the LAPD dispersed a predominantly Latino group without bothering to translate into Spanish. The audio from the helicopters preceded the attacks in the video I&#039;ve seen, but it was in English only. That also suggests a rightwing element.

Another fellow was hit in both elbows by rubber bullets (shot from behind) later in the park, who said that there was no warning. 

If SWAT was deployed, that could mean that they were operating on a â€˜force protectionâ€™ mandate instead of crowd control (which isnâ€™t a SWAT duty, SFAIK). But itâ€™s just a rumor at this point.

But a key point about the timing seems to be that the event which triggered SWAT (?) occured at least an hour before the scheduled evening event, at 7th and Alvarado, off the park itself. The police response to that, if such occured, may have been the excuse to use SWAT, which would be a closer relationship to Bushco, since they presumably get a lot of the terrorism funds and extra training. Maybe they wanted a training exercise.

In 2003, a Stryker and a tank were rolled out onto Wilshire Blvd., and the tank pointed its machine guns at the peaceful protesters. This is a previous example of an opportunistic use of a protest situation by rightwing elements, so it may be that if SWAT was deployed, it was opportunistic. Itâ€™s also now in question whether Gov. Schwarztika had a hand in swatting the innocent Latinos and lawful protesters â€” since his security detail has brandished merc-type weapons at street protesters as well.

&quot;That behavior is unjustified &gt; PERIOD. --Jay Randal

With the above SWAT issue included, the picture is more complex. Unjustified behavior like installing a private military base in San Diego, with a contract from the (illegally-elected) Governor, to come to LA to help out after natural disasters -- these FEDERAL and state cabals -- is NOT Chief Bratton.

The guy may be the thin blue line, again. But to the monolithic view, you inadvertently foster some rightwing antagonists/opportunist efforts to tar the entire agency for an opportunist event using a terrorism squad that is NOT normal LAPD crowd control. 

&lt;b&gt;The KPFK interviews attested to an incident with an LAPD officer being knocked-off her(?) (three-wheeled?) motorcycle by some in the crowd -- after she bumped a woman who was in the street at 7th/Alvarado, apparently as the motorcycle officer was trying to herd people back onto the curbs (they were in the street). &lt;/b&gt;

IF that happened, then &#039;force protection&#039; protocols would have been (internal to LAPD) justified. At that point SWAT would have had its pretext for deployment, if that happened. These events, attested to by interviewed eye witness/victims, would support the &#039;force protection&#039; interpretation. 

But if you stand in the street in front of the LAPD, they will generally ticket or arrest at protests. One can also suggest some disarray in the organized protest, since there do not appear to have been many crowd monitors to help the safe evacuation, maybe because the event had not started yet? 

I still have a lot of questions about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard some local radio reports (KPFK) that stated that it was SWAT who attacked those people in MacArthur park. One of the interviews with a fellow who said that people werenâ€™t even throwing things <b>ANY MORE</b> when he was hit in the ribs by a baton (at 7th &amp; Alvarado). </p>
<p>If this chronology is correct, then the &#8216;problem group&#8217; the event organizer spoke of acted directly against the LAPD at that corner, and the police assault was extended to the park &#8212; even though the permit was for an evening event. In that case, the earlier event was used as a pretext for barring the evening event &#8212; that smells of Bushco. </p>
<p>(Bush, in 2003, drove MLK Jr. birthday celebrants in Atlanta from their daylong event and forced them behind a long row of city buses.)</p>
<p>Video does clearly show that the LAPD dispersed a predominantly Latino group without bothering to translate into Spanish. The audio from the helicopters preceded the attacks in the video I&#8217;ve seen, but it was in English only. That also suggests a rightwing element.</p>
<p>Another fellow was hit in both elbows by rubber bullets (shot from behind) later in the park, who said that there was no warning. </p>
<p>If SWAT was deployed, that could mean that they were operating on a â€˜force protectionâ€™ mandate instead of crowd control (which isnâ€™t a SWAT duty, SFAIK). But itâ€™s just a rumor at this point.</p>
<p>But a key point about the timing seems to be that the event which triggered SWAT (?) occured at least an hour before the scheduled evening event, at 7th and Alvarado, off the park itself. The police response to that, if such occured, may have been the excuse to use SWAT, which would be a closer relationship to Bushco, since they presumably get a lot of the terrorism funds and extra training. Maybe they wanted a training exercise.</p>
<p>In 2003, a Stryker and a tank were rolled out onto Wilshire Blvd., and the tank pointed its machine guns at the peaceful protesters. This is a previous example of an opportunistic use of a protest situation by rightwing elements, so it may be that if SWAT was deployed, it was opportunistic. Itâ€™s also now in question whether Gov. Schwarztika had a hand in swatting the innocent Latinos and lawful protesters â€” since his security detail has brandished merc-type weapons at street protesters as well.</p>
<p>&#8220;That behavior is unjustified &gt; PERIOD. &#8211;Jay Randal</p>
<p>With the above SWAT issue included, the picture is more complex. Unjustified behavior like installing a private military base in San Diego, with a contract from the (illegally-elected) Governor, to come to LA to help out after natural disasters &#8212; these FEDERAL and state cabals &#8212; is NOT Chief Bratton.</p>
<p>The guy may be the thin blue line, again. But to the monolithic view, you inadvertently foster some rightwing antagonists/opportunist efforts to tar the entire agency for an opportunist event using a terrorism squad that is NOT normal LAPD crowd control. </p>
<p><b>The KPFK interviews attested to an incident with an LAPD officer being knocked-off her(?) (three-wheeled?) motorcycle by some in the crowd &#8212; after she bumped a woman who was in the street at 7th/Alvarado, apparently as the motorcycle officer was trying to herd people back onto the curbs (they were in the street). </b></p>
<p>IF that happened, then &#8216;force protection&#8217; protocols would have been (internal to LAPD) justified. At that point SWAT would have had its pretext for deployment, if that happened. These events, attested to by interviewed eye witness/victims, would support the &#8216;force protection&#8217; interpretation. </p>
<p>But if you stand in the street in front of the LAPD, they will generally ticket or arrest at protests. One can also suggest some disarray in the organized protest, since there do not appear to have been many crowd monitors to help the safe evacuation, maybe because the event had not started yet? </p>
<p>I still have a lot of questions about it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3783836', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 08:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#233
â€œThe point is that armed troops opened fireâ€

&quot;The LAPD are not â€˜troops.â€™ They are city cops.&quot;

Then kindly explain why THEY ARE DRESSED AND ARMED AS TROOPS.

â€œwith projectile weapons on a peaceful demonstration. Anyone presuming that the ENTIRE crowd was composed of â€œillegalsâ€ is an absolute idiot.â€ â€“patriot

&quot;There is no indication that the police action was due to the status of the persons who were involved.&quot;

Then kindly explain why the various terms describing them as &quot;illegals&quot; and &quot;militants&quot; and &quot;latinos&quot; keep being used as justification for the military-style action.

&quot;I live here; I protest here every week. I have had HUNDREDS of interactions with LAPDâ€“in general the relationship with protesters has been one of mutual restraint and professionalism.&quot;

Here being where? I have lived in Los Angeles County for 38 years thus far. Presently in the SFV. My main point is really very simple. If there are some people running around (wearing rags or wearing badges take your pick) that cannot identify the &quot;threat&quot; precisely (especially given the level of surrveillence clearly evident due to the footage and use of warnings, etc before action) THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY DOING WITH IT. I am a taxpayer, American citizen, born and bred (as some say), from the deep South, and gee fellers ...... if those derned fools can&#039;t find the enemy when they are a&#039;lookin straight at &#039;em, well maybe we shouldn&#039;a just fired all them derned fools for doing such a shitty job.
Whatever.

&quot;â€¢ Please stop spreading lies&quot;

Aren&#039;t spreading any at all, only clear logic. I appreciate your thoughts as well, we all learn together or we do none of us learn at all ...... DEMOCRACY.

&quot;#238
Having viewed that tape, there isnâ€™t anything there to be particularly excited about. The police were measured and deliberate â€” once they decide the permit is void, itâ€™s OVER.&quot;

Kindly explain to me again the whole concept of what is public property somehow demands ANY &quot;permit&quot; in the first place. Better yet, let&#039;s maybe start with the concept of PUBLIC v PRIVATE.

&quot;Peaceful protesters donâ€™t contest such decisions by police, which is why we have had so many completely peaceful protests. But as you listen to the rhetoric, you can see that people confuse a relatively simple action by police for fascism.&quot;

Personally, I think that &quot;fascism&quot; (as it was) was pretty much tame in comparison to what may be coming that my Great Grandchilren (15 years from now) will be inheriting. Corporate rule by &quot;we own it&quot; rather we the public who paid for it. So, was this public or private property? Besides, WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD SOME LAME HAVE ARMOR AND PROJECTILE WEAPONS ?????? I have personally worn the armor and geez, somehow, small rocks and bottles and such primitave weaponry that must be thrown just really, well, it pisses you off because it sure as hell doesn&#039;t hurt.

&quot;Hey, you ought to have tried protesting during Vietnam. THEN the cops were really nasty and uncontrolled. This was an unfortunate event, but to blame the cops for being cops (or fascists) is just hopelessly naive. The whole trick of protest is NOT to hassle the cops to the point that they attack the crowd.&quot;

Was, and they were. From what I saw in all the footage, lames &quot;attacking, controlling&quot;, whatever, it sure as hell wasn&#039;t some obviously unthreating people doing the tossing whatever (be it bricks, shit, or butterflys). The &quot;trick&quot; of protest is what this country is founded upon ...... at it&#039;s roots. Sissies have never taken anything in the history of humanity, sure weren&#039;t a bunch of sissies that founded this great country. Nor that fought for equal rights, nor that fought for ANYTHING ...... EVER.

&quot;The results of the antagonists are there to see. Rather than blame the cops, the blame is on those FEW who wanted a riot instead of a protest, just as people will gather at a car accident, because it scratches their itch.&quot;

Please expalin why lames are given weapons, and then paid to use them? In what universe can I beat Jill for something Jack did (especially when I know Jack did it)? Come on, shitty employees at best. Or are they not our employees (as in PUBLIC SERVANTS). What the hell does the word public now mean anyway? Is it totally backwards as in &quot;Big Brother&quot; on television (private made public to which some media outlet &quot;owns the rights&quot; to BTW), while my park, my lands, my Bill of Rights, my children&#039;s future, my healthcare, my Constitution, on and on (plenty to choose from out there) are &quot;owned&quot; by some business (public made private)?</description>
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â€œThe point is that armed troops opened fireâ€</p>
<p>&#8220;The LAPD are not â€˜troops.â€™ They are city cops.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then kindly explain why THEY ARE DRESSED AND ARMED AS TROOPS.</p>
<p>â€œwith projectile weapons on a peaceful demonstration. Anyone presuming that the ENTIRE crowd was composed of â€œillegalsâ€ is an absolute idiot.â€ â€“patriot</p>
<p>&#8220;There is no indication that the police action was due to the status of the persons who were involved.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then kindly explain why the various terms describing them as &#8220;illegals&#8221; and &#8220;militants&#8221; and &#8220;latinos&#8221; keep being used as justification for the military-style action.</p>
<p>&#8220;I live here; I protest here every week. I have had HUNDREDS of interactions with LAPDâ€“in general the relationship with protesters has been one of mutual restraint and professionalism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here being where? I have lived in Los Angeles County for 38 years thus far. Presently in the SFV. My main point is really very simple. If there are some people running around (wearing rags or wearing badges take your pick) that cannot identify the &#8220;threat&#8221; precisely (especially given the level of surrveillence clearly evident due to the footage and use of warnings, etc before action) THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY DOING WITH IT. I am a taxpayer, American citizen, born and bred (as some say), from the deep South, and gee fellers &#8230;&#8230; if those derned fools can&#8217;t find the enemy when they are a&#8217;lookin straight at &#8216;em, well maybe we shouldn&#8217;a just fired all them derned fools for doing such a shitty job.<br />
Whatever.</p>
<p>&#8220;â€¢ Please stop spreading lies&#8221;</p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t spreading any at all, only clear logic. I appreciate your thoughts as well, we all learn together or we do none of us learn at all &#8230;&#8230; DEMOCRACY.</p>
<p>&#8220;#238<br />
Having viewed that tape, there isnâ€™t anything there to be particularly excited about. The police were measured and deliberate â€” once they decide the permit is void, itâ€™s OVER.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kindly explain to me again the whole concept of what is public property somehow demands ANY &#8220;permit&#8221; in the first place. Better yet, let&#8217;s maybe start with the concept of PUBLIC v PRIVATE.</p>
<p>&#8220;Peaceful protesters donâ€™t contest such decisions by police, which is why we have had so many completely peaceful protests. But as you listen to the rhetoric, you can see that people confuse a relatively simple action by police for fascism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Personally, I think that &#8220;fascism&#8221; (as it was) was pretty much tame in comparison to what may be coming that my Great Grandchilren (15 years from now) will be inheriting. Corporate rule by &#8220;we own it&#8221; rather we the public who paid for it. So, was this public or private property? Besides, WHY IN THE FUCK WOULD SOME LAME HAVE ARMOR AND PROJECTILE WEAPONS ?????? I have personally worn the armor and geez, somehow, small rocks and bottles and such primitave weaponry that must be thrown just really, well, it pisses you off because it sure as hell doesn&#8217;t hurt.</p>
<p>&#8220;Hey, you ought to have tried protesting during Vietnam. THEN the cops were really nasty and uncontrolled. This was an unfortunate event, but to blame the cops for being cops (or fascists) is just hopelessly naive. The whole trick of protest is NOT to hassle the cops to the point that they attack the crowd.&#8221;</p>
<p>Was, and they were. From what I saw in all the footage, lames &#8220;attacking, controlling&#8221;, whatever, it sure as hell wasn&#8217;t some obviously unthreating people doing the tossing whatever (be it bricks, shit, or butterflys). The &#8220;trick&#8221; of protest is what this country is founded upon &#8230;&#8230; at it&#8217;s roots. Sissies have never taken anything in the history of humanity, sure weren&#8217;t a bunch of sissies that founded this great country. Nor that fought for equal rights, nor that fought for ANYTHING &#8230;&#8230; EVER.</p>
<p>&#8220;The results of the antagonists are there to see. Rather than blame the cops, the blame is on those FEW who wanted a riot instead of a protest, just as people will gather at a car accident, because it scratches their itch.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please expalin why lames are given weapons, and then paid to use them? In what universe can I beat Jill for something Jack did (especially when I know Jack did it)? Come on, shitty employees at best. Or are they not our employees (as in PUBLIC SERVANTS). What the hell does the word public now mean anyway? Is it totally backwards as in &#8220;Big Brother&#8221; on television (private made public to which some media outlet &#8220;owns the rights&#8221; to BTW), while my park, my lands, my Bill of Rights, my children&#8217;s future, my healthcare, my Constitution, on and on (plenty to choose from out there) are &#8220;owned&#8221; by some business (public made private)?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3783830', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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