Comments on: The end of military blogs? http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:26:54 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: angryhousewife http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3784832 angryhousewife Thu, 03 May 2007 19:11:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3784832 This is the most outrageous thing I've heard yet, Bush has taken all our rights away and now he is going to take away the rights of the very men and women who are fighting for him. Now I know without a shadow of a doubt the man is certifiably crazy! He's a lunatic! I hope and pray the soldiers don't take this one lying down. This is the most outrageous thing I’ve heard yet, Bush has taken all our rights away and now he is going to take away the rights of the very men and women who are fighting for him. Now I know without a shadow of a doubt the man is certifiably crazy! He’s a lunatic! I hope and pray the soldiers don’t take this one lying down.

]]> By: Karim http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3783618 Karim Thu, 03 May 2007 03:32:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3783618 When you cannot exercise the rights that you swore an oath to protect, then you have the makings of a dictatorship. When you cannot exercise the rights that you swore an oath to protect, then you have the makings of a dictatorship.

]]> By: marlow http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3783207 marlow Wed, 02 May 2007 23:28:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3783207 Troops aren't dumb, they'll find a way. Troops aren’t dumb, they’ll find a way.

]]> By: Uncle Ho http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3783004 Uncle Ho Wed, 02 May 2007 22:07:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3783004 It kind of reminds me of when I was in the military during Vietnam. Command could not tolerate dissent, even when off duty and out of uniform. GI coffee houses located in towns near bases were declared off limits to military personnel. Now, with nowhere else to blow off steam, watch the fraggings increase soon. It kind of reminds me of when I was in the military during Vietnam. Command could not tolerate dissent, even when off duty and out of uniform. GI coffee houses located in towns near bases were declared off limits to military personnel. Now, with nowhere else to blow off steam, watch the fraggings increase soon.

]]> By: $ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3782548 $ Wed, 02 May 2007 19:40:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3782548 How many here actually bothered to READ AR 530--1? It clearly applies to information that is For Official Use Only.(paragraph 2-2g) How many here actually bothered to READ AR 530–1?

It clearly applies to information that is For Official Use Only.(paragraph 2-2g)

]]> By: goehl http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3782379 goehl Wed, 02 May 2007 18:49:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3782379 Military Families Speak Out -MFSO - had to shut their yahoo.com blog down years ago. This is another cruel screw job by Bush and company. Will this be the final screw that leads to a military resistance? Isn't this, communication via email, all the troops really have????? Is Bush really that afraid the <strong>REAL TRUTH</strong> is going to get out there, now in volumns???? Military Families Speak Out -MFSO – had to shut their yahoo.com blog down years ago. This is another cruel screw job by Bush and company. Will this be the final screw that leads to a military resistance? Isn’t this, communication via email, all the troops really have????? Is Bush really that afraid the REAL TRUTH is going to get out there, now in volumns????

]]> By: Parrotlover77 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3782253 Parrotlover77 Wed, 02 May 2007 18:19:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3782253 What part of "support the troops" is this, exactly? There are military blogs from soldiers that both support and don't support the occupation/war. What's the problem here? Is there a grand leak of top secret information and/or maneuvers (a la Geraldo) or is the growing dessent from soldiers about the war getting too loud to ignore? Inquiring minds want to know... What part of “support the troops” is this, exactly? There are military blogs from soldiers that both support and don’t support the occupation/war. What’s the problem here? Is there a grand leak of top secret information and/or maneuvers (a la Geraldo) or is the growing dessent from soldiers about the war getting too loud to ignore?

Inquiring minds want to know…

]]> By: elemgee http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3782058 elemgee Wed, 02 May 2007 17:22:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3782058 Excuse me for noticing, but aren't these the same conditions we place on criminal convicts serving time in prison? Excuse me for noticing, but aren’t these the same conditions we place on criminal convicts serving time in prison?

]]> By: SKdeA http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3782055 SKdeA Wed, 02 May 2007 17:20:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3782055 <em># Let’s just blame Bush. That’s all we do anyway! Comment by Mark — May 2, 2007 @ 10:56 am</em> Well, the buck does stop with the CinC, doesn't it? #
Let’s just blame Bush. That’s all we do anyway!
Comment by Mark — May 2, 2007 @ 10:56 am

Well, the buck does stop with the CinC, doesn’t it?

]]> By: david http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3781994 david Wed, 02 May 2007 16:45:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3781994 Does anyone recall the scandal in the first year of the war when officers ordered soldiers to sign letters to their hometown newspapers that said How great things were going and how the US had been greeted as liberators? If you can't find Good News, make it up. If there's too much Bad News, shut it up. <strong>DA;DT;DB.</strong> Does anyone recall the scandal in the first year of the war when officers ordered soldiers to sign letters to their hometown newspapers that said How great things were going and how the US had been greeted as liberators?

If you can’t find Good News, make it up. If there’s too much Bad News, shut it up.

DA;DT;DB.

]]> By: david http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3781984 david Wed, 02 May 2007 16:42:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3781984 <strong>Don't Ask: Don't Tell: Don't Blog.</strong> Don’t Ask: Don’t Tell: Don’t Blog.

]]> By: Sharon http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3781963 Sharon Wed, 02 May 2007 16:33:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3781963 I knew about all this garbage last Saturday...Spent a lot of time talking to 4 sailors that came to my resort to fish....Much is told off the record in private conversation's that would never be stated by mail, phone or email...2 of the men had planned to be career officers, not now...They are leaving the service...The other 2 are just finishing up their short term after 2 stunt s in Iraq.....Every single service person I have talked to has said the same thing..This is madness and they can't stand the killing of innocent men, women and children....Last Saturday one of the bunch said what many here have already said with a question..."How can it be we are fighting in a civil war for another country and not allowed our own freedom of speech"....Indeed, bull shit bush, how can it be....Blessings I knew about all this garbage last Saturday…Spent a lot of time talking to 4 sailors that came to my resort to fish….Much is told off the record in private conversation’s that would never be stated by mail, phone or email…2 of the men had planned to be career officers, not now…They are leaving the service…The other 2 are just finishing up their short term after 2 stunt
s in Iraq…..Every single service person I have talked to has said the same thing..This is madness and they can’t stand the killing of innocent men, women and children….Last Saturday one of the bunch said what many here have already said with a question…”How can it be we are fighting in a civil war for another country and not allowed our own freedom of speech”….Indeed, bull shit bush, how can it be….Blessings

]]> By: Tundra http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3781923 Tundra Wed, 02 May 2007 16:18:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3781923 <i>Also, if you are near SLC, Utah, I am often at the VA. Comment by chris L — May 2, 2007 @ 12:14 pm </i> We shall have to go out and get a few drinks then. Also, if you are near SLC, Utah, I am often at the VA.

Comment by chris L — May 2, 2007 @ 12:14 pm

We shall have to go out and get a few drinks then.

]]> By: the republic of stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3781917 the republic of stupidity Wed, 02 May 2007 16:17:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3781917 After all, do we really need to hear directly from the troops? If good, God-fearing, law-abiding Americans want to know the truth about the War on Terror, they just have to tune into Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity, or Fox News. The Good Lord and the GOP knows the average soldier isn't smart enough to explain the complexities of Iraq to the rest of us. After all, do we really need to hear directly from the troops? If good, God-fearing, law-abiding Americans want to know the truth about the War on Terror, they just have to tune into Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity, or Fox News. The Good Lord and the GOP knows the average soldier isn’t smart enough to explain the complexities of Iraq to the rest of us.

]]> By: Tundra http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3781912 Tundra Wed, 02 May 2007 16:15:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3781912 <i> There are often limitations put on military personel in regards to their First Amendment rights. I personally think it is bulls*it of the highest order. Comment by hacker bob — May 2, 2007 @ 12:05 pm </i> I can see it now. Squad Leader "OK we are going to secure that bridge, Snuffy and Rat go left, Jones and Smitty lay down cover fire. Johnson and myself will go up the center. Smitty "I want to go up the center" Johnson" How come I can't lay down cover fire?" Snuffy "I think I need a break for a few, I'm feeling stressed" Smitty "I read a book once where they had to secure a bridge and they didn't do it like that" Rat "Whooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Smitty "You know I think I should really be running things here" Squad Leader "We have to move now or the whole unit is going to get wiped out" Smitty "I'm telling you to do it this way" Snuffy "Can I get a union rep here because I'm not moving till I do, we are working too hard" Squad Leader "Shut up and move" Smitty "Trying to silence me is only hurting my first amendment rights, and getting you no where" Snuffy "Oh I really need one now" Jones "Hey don't talk to him like that" Johnson "Shut up is not a nice thing to say to people, you should be nicer if you expect results"
There are often limitations put on military personel in regards to their First Amendment rights. I personally think it is bulls*it of the highest order.

Comment by hacker bob — May 2, 2007 @ 12:05 pm

I can see it now.
Squad Leader “OK we are going to secure that bridge, Snuffy and Rat go left, Jones and Smitty lay down cover fire. Johnson and myself will go up the center.
Smitty “I want to go up the center”
Johnson” How come I can’t lay down cover fire?”
Snuffy “I think I need a break for a few, I’m feeling stressed”
Smitty “I read a book once where they had to secure a bridge and they didn’t do it like that”
Rat “Whooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Smitty “You know I think I should really be running things here”
Squad Leader “We have to move now or the whole unit is going to get wiped out”
Smitty “I’m telling you to do it this way”
Snuffy “Can I get a union rep here because I’m not moving till I do, we are working too hard”
Squad Leader “Shut up and move”
Smitty “Trying to silence me is only hurting my first amendment rights, and getting you no where”
Snuffy “Oh I really need one now”
Jones “Hey don’t talk to him like that”
Johnson “Shut up is not a nice thing to say to people, you should be nicer if you expect results”

]]> By: chris L http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3781907 chris L Wed, 02 May 2007 16:14:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3781907 To have reduction in pay for 6 months you have to be convicted in a court martial. Comment by Tundra — May 2, 2007 @ 12:06 pm Look, I don't want to derail the thread arguing this with you. We seem to agree on everything else. Our court-martials were being run by a Major from JAG who was doing precisely what our Bn Cdr was telling him to do. This was a National Guard Unit (1457th Eng Combat Bn) and we were at the end of our tour, and looking forward to going home. The Bn Commander could do whatever he wanted at the time. We all knew we would be home and be civilians soon anyway. By the time anyone tried to appeal his decision, it wouldn't matter anyway. If you want to discuss it further, my personal e-mail is at gnurulz @ gmail.com. Also, if you are near SLC, Utah, I am often at the VA. To have reduction in pay for 6 months you have to be convicted in a court martial.

Comment by Tundra — May 2, 2007 @ 12:06 pm

Look, I don’t want to derail the thread arguing this with you. We seem to agree on everything else. Our court-martials were being run by a Major from JAG who was doing precisely what our Bn Cdr was telling him to do. This was a National Guard Unit (1457th Eng Combat Bn) and we were at the end of our tour, and looking forward to going home. The Bn Commander could do whatever he wanted at the time. We all knew we would be home and be civilians soon anyway. By the time anyone tried to appeal his decision, it wouldn’t matter anyway. If you want to discuss it further, my personal e-mail is at gnurulz @ gmail.com. Also, if you are near SLC, Utah, I am often at the VA.

]]> By: Innocent Bystander http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3781896 Innocent Bystander Wed, 02 May 2007 16:09:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3781896 "Where are the trolls? I want someone to explain to me the spin of why we need to silence our troops. " They are probably enlisting to serve as political officers for the United Republican States of America. Their job will be to make sure our soldiers are not contaminated with the truth. The soldiers take an oath to defend the Constitution...not to enjoy the benefits derived from that document. “Where are the trolls? I want someone to explain to me the spin of why we need to silence our troops. ”

They are probably enlisting to serve as political officers for the United Republican States of America. Their job will be to make sure our soldiers are not contaminated with the truth. The soldiers take an oath to defend the Constitution…not to enjoy the benefits derived from that document.

]]> By: Tundra http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3781886 Tundra Wed, 02 May 2007 16:06:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3781886 <i>The process for a nonjudicial punishment is governed by Part V of the Manual for Courts-Martial and by each service branch's regulations. (Which a Field Grade Article 15 is)</i> A Lt Col has zero authority to take 6 months pay from anyone without a court martial. To have reduction in pay for 6 months you have to be convicted in a court martial. The process for a nonjudicial punishment is governed by Part V of the Manual for Courts-Martial and by each service branch’s regulations. (Which a Field Grade Article 15 is)

A Lt Col has zero authority to take 6 months pay from anyone without a court martial.

To have reduction in pay for 6 months you have to be convicted in a court martial.

]]> By: hacker bob http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3781885 hacker bob Wed, 02 May 2007 16:05:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3781885 Comment by Shane — May 2, 2007 @ 11:10 am I'll say this: It is a damn good thing that I am not in the Army:-). There are often limitations put on military personel in regards to their First Amendment rights. I personally think it is bulls*it of the highest order. Comment by Shane — May 2, 2007 @ 11:10 am

I’ll say this:

It is a damn good thing that I am not in the Army:-).

There are often limitations put on military personel in regards to their First Amendment rights. I personally think it is bulls*it of the highest order.

]]> By: chris L http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/comment-page-2/#comment-3781843 chris L Wed, 02 May 2007 15:52:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/the-end-of-military-blogs/#comment-3781843 Plus to get 2 ranks gone it would have required it to go pretty high up the chain. Guess the Battalion Commander had to be brought in on those charges. Comment by Tundra — May 2, 2007 @ 11:32 am The Lt. Col was the one that preferred the charges. My friend was a SSG working in the S-3. At the time, there were two other, non-related, court martials (one of which I testified in) that involved soldiers trying to send weapons home. The commander was pissed already, and this just sent him over the edge. If you want to call bull$hit, fine, but I was there. BTW, I turned in my own squad leader for trying to send weapons home, and AFTER I testified against him in the court-martial, he was still allowed to write my NCOER. Plus to get 2 ranks gone it would have required it to go pretty high up the chain. Guess the Battalion Commander had to be brought in on those charges.

Comment by Tundra — May 2, 2007 @ 11:32 am

The Lt. Col was the one that preferred the charges. My friend was a SSG working in the S-3. At the time, there were two other, non-related, court martials (one of which I testified in) that involved soldiers trying to send weapons home. The commander was pissed already, and this just sent him over the edge. If you want to call bull$hit, fine, but I was there. BTW, I turned in my own squad leader for trying to send weapons home, and AFTER I testified against him in the court-martial, he was still allowed to write my NCOER.

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