Conservatives Are Cracking On Iraq
President Bush has emerged from the recent veto battle more politically isolated on Iraq than ever.
Despite spending weeks using his bully pulpit to blister war critics with rhetoric about “abandoning troops” and “timetables for retreat,” public opinion has shifted further away from his position, and conservatives in Congress are breaking ranks.
This is a major success. A key to bringing an end to this war is for Bush’s supporters to finally demand a change. We’re getting closer every day:
Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME):
“Obviously, the president would prefer a straight funding bill with no benchmarks, no conditions, no reports,” said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine). “Many of us, on both sides of the aisle, don’t see that as viable.” [LA Times, 5/3/07]
Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME)
A likely sticking point is whether to include penalties if the Iraqi government fails to meet the benchmarks. Democrats, and some Republicans such as Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine, insist that there be consequences for falling short, such as a loss of U.S. financial support or the withdrawal of some coalition forces.
“We can’t be there in an open-ended fashion,” Snowe said. “We have to say: how long does it really take to pass the benchmarks?” [Bloomberg, 5/2/07]
Rep. Mike Castle (R-DE):
Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.), a leading moderate, said many Republicans are looking for a way out of Iraq, and he hopes that the Democrats will work with them after Bush likely vetoes the $124 billion war supplemental this week. “I think a lot of us feel that the time has come for us to look for solutions to bring this war to a close,” Castle said. “And I don’t think that’s just a feeling among moderate Republicans but among Republicans in general.” Castle said Republicans of all stripes “are very reluctant to put in dates on our Army” but said that other ideas, including Blunt’s talk of a “consequences package” for the Iraqi government, could bring the parties together. [Roll Call, 4/30/07]
Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN):
“I think we’re still in a fairly toxic political environment,” said Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.), who opposed the president’s troop buildup but voted against the Democratic withdrawal plan. “And I think it will continue like this for a while. That’s the reality.” [LA Times, 5/3/07]
Rep. Bob Inglis (R-SC):
But a new dynamic also is at work, with some Republicans now saying that funding further military operations in Iraq with no strings attached does not make practical or political sense. Rep. Bob Inglis (S.C.), a conservative who opposed the first funding bill, said, “The hallway talk is very different from the podium talk.” [Washington Post, 5/3/07]
Rep. Charles Boustany (R-LA)
“We have to be engaged developing our own proposals and not just going along with what the executive branch is doing,” said Rep. Charles Boustany Jr., a Louisiana Republican who voted against the Democratic plan to force Bush to start withdrawing troops. [LA Times, 5/3/07]
Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA):
Rep. Jack Kingston, a Georgia Republican who has supported Bush’s war strategy even as the public has turned against it, said, “The marketplace has become ripe for a new idea.” [LA Times, 5/3/07]
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I was afraid to say it but I thought the king was naked too.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:17 pmThe wheels are definately comming off the Bushco Bus now.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:17 pmG.Dubious signed away the rest of his presidency, as well as the rest of his public life, when he vetoed that spending bill.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:18 pmOff topic, though perhaps related in a way, Isreali PM Ohlmert is facing strong criticism in the government, and tens of thousands of people in the streets, calling for his resignation over attacking Lebanon.
Yeah, but how will they vote? Talk is cheap, and everyone loves to buy it in bulk.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:19 pmSnowe is from ME!
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:20 pmsince when are collins and snowe conservatives?
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:22 pmBush = going down (Iraq)
Blair = going down (Iraq)
Olmert = going down (Lebanon)
Sorry war monger, the world’s citizens want progress, not more of your holy wars.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:22 pmI think that was supposed to read:
“Conservatives are on crack re: Iraq”
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:23 pmone conservative “cracked” before it even started. In fact, I think he’s the only person in congress to have voted NO on going to war, the patriot act, the military commissions act, and all the war funding bills. Ron Paul - yup - a republican???
Read his position on the Iraq war - pretty good stuff:
“We Just Marched in, so we can Just March Out”
http://www.populistamerica.com/ we_just_marched_in_so_we_can_just_march_out
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:23 pm“The marketplace has become ripe for a new idea”??? Is he saying that Congress is a ‘marketplace’? Only a Regressive would see this situation in those terms.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:23 pmAnyone want to give that house of cards a little nudge? hell, let’s just give it a good kick instead.
Before Patti 1″ posts I might as well get this done…PHUCK YOU PATTI 1″ you scum sucking repukian a$$wipe.
Hating the Repukian Mafia daily
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:26 pmSen. Olympia Snowe (R-WA)
Sen Snowe is from Maine.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:27 pmUK and US must admit defeat and leave Iraq, says British general
http://www.guardian.co.uk/
A retired British army general says Iraq’s insurgents are justified in opposing the occupation, arguing that the US and its allies should “admit defeat†and leave Iraq before more soldiers are killed.
General Sir Michael Rose told the BBC’s Newsnight programme: “It is the soldiers who have been telling me from the frontline that the war they have been fighting is a hopeless war, that they cannot possibly win it and the sooner we start talking politics and not military solutions, the sooner they will come home and their lives will be preserved.â€
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Labour braced for battering
Labour steeling itself against defeat as polls close in elections to Scottish parliament, Welsh assembly and councils across England and Scotland.
Insiders: Blair will quit as MP
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Dr Rice and her Iranian counterpart, Manuchehr Mottaki, the highest-level encounter between Washington and Tehran for close to 30 years. That will be billed as “the axis of evil meets the great Satan,â€
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AH FUNNY America the great satan ha ah
http://www.guardian.co.uk
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:27 pmsince when are collins and snowe conservatives?
Comment by matt
See the (R) next to the names?
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:27 pmNow go to http://votesmart.org/index.htm and look at their voting records, then answer that yourself.
In the neo-con, and Republican, mindset, everything is couched in terms of commercialism, and the bottom line…
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:29 pmThey sincerely think of an election in the paradigm of “How much will it cost?”
C’mon thinkprogress!
Both Snowe and Collins are Maine Senators!
Good for them though, much respect for my home state!
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:29 pmI don’t know if anyone else sees this…but…
The pursed lip thing on the boy wonder is gettin really really old. I believe, completely, that he stages it when he wants to be seen as “strong in adversity.” I’m sure Rove advised all embattled republican scum to use it…. Ain’t cuttin it over here no more…………….what a spectacular, manipulative, dishonest, horror of a person this man is. Words fail.
Pursed lips…..indeed. It is TOTALLY fake. This man has no courage, no honor, and no soul. Behind the pursed lips is a screaming, laughing, wild eyed, insane, adolescent that can’t use his middle finger enough.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:29 pmGood night - sleep tight
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:30 pmBullah!t! This is window dressing for 08. Look up the flip flopping of chris shays before the last election this is the same damn thing.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:30 pmIf you are Republican, and you aren’t against Bush’s policies, you are a BUSH REPUBLICAN.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:31 pmhmmmm…..RINO Republicans, not real Conservative Republicans. Thinkprogress.org can keep on wishing and twisting the fact, but they are only speaking to their poorly informed liberal masses.
keep on trying thinkprogress.org, A for effort, but F for getting 99% of your facts wrong.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:32 pmwhat took you so long….
Support our Troops?—-Yes, but more importantly, Support our Constitution!
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:32 pmThanks, Tobey Tall
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:32 pmCaption:
(”Got to remember not to eat peanut butter sandwiches before reading my speeches…”)
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:34 pm#13 Comment by Tobey Tall — May 3, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
Dr Rice and her Iranian counterpart, Manuchehr Mottaki, the highest-level encounter between Washington and Tehran for close to 30 years. That will be billed as “the axis of evil meets the great Satan,â€
And they will be meeting in the “arc of instability”
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:34 pmRep. Bob Inglis (R-SC):
military operations in Iraq with no strings attached does not make practical or political sense.
EXACTLY WELL SAID - - GOODNIGHT Its all falling Apart
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:34 pm“Cowards!!” “TRAITORS!!”
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:38 pm#19 Comment by Robert — May 3, 2007 @ 6:31 pm’
If you are Republican, and you aren’t against Bush’s policies, you are a BUSH REPUBLICAN.
No you are a neocon. Bush is a puppet. The megalomaniac dry drunk who is fronting the cabal that is running the show. You give Bush too much credit! He doesn’t even deserve the credit for being a puppet. Puppets are dead wooden objects manipulated by strings.
Hmmm…Maybe that is a good description of Bush.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:42 pm#4 Exactly. This is not bad news for ending this war per se, but the proof will come when they agree to withdrawal mechanisms and actually vote for such bill WITH such mechanisms in it, and in a number high enough to sustain a veto.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:42 pmhmmmm…..RINO Republicans, not real Conservative Republicans.
Comment by valiantthehater
They are not “real” republicans only after they go against the Moron in chimp..
Funny stuff.
See my previous post, go to http://votesmart.org/index.htm, pull their voting record and get back to us.
LMAO
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:43 pmSnowe and Collins voted WITH Bush on this - maybe all the Mainers who have been contacting their offices are getting through to them??? About frickin’ time!
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:44 pmClinton! Ummm….9/11. 9/11! Um…hello…is this thing on? I said 9/11 already! What’s wrong with you people?
Ummmmm….did I mention Clinton did it too? I’m not sure I understand the issue or if it has the slightest relevance or that there’s anything to prove he did, but the fact is Clinton did it too! So, it’s ok!
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:45 pmSpudge_boy,
Bush = going down (Iraq)
—this is a liberal’s wet dream. Not reality.
Blair = going down (Iraq)
—–Europeans are unfortunatly very unsophisticated, poorly educated and rather live in a fake peace with their enemies who will have no problem destroying them while they think they are living in peace.
Olmert = going down (Lebanon)
——c’mon Spudge_boy, Olmert is going down because Israelis perceive him as losing this war against Hezzbollah, not because the war was bad. Most Israelis agreed the war was necessary last summer and that Olmert, an ultra-Liberal tied the hands of the military and didn’t allow the military to go all out in Lebanon. Nothing to do with anti-war crap, guy.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:46 pmWell! I’ll be dipped in shit and licked clean by michael (again). Vapidtheshiteater got two words right in I don’t know how many pitiful posts, “…liberal masses”. You are right about liberal masses sweety, and getting more liberal and more mass every day.
The one silver lining in the black stain of the Bush reign, is that the vast majority of Americans are wakening to see the evil that the Repugnicunts stand for. As Barbara Bush told Boy Geroge, “If you can’t do anything right, at least you can set a bad example.” And hasn’t the little cheerleader done a good job of that!
You 22%ers can join in your little daisy chain and comfort each other with your own version of the world, then drink your Kool Aid like good little bots and slip the f*ck out of here.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:46 pmCaption contest:
What? A two month vacation starting in June???
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:46 pmhmmmm…..RINO Republicans, not real Conservative Republicans. Thinkprogress.org can keep on wishing and twisting the fact, but they are only speaking to their poorly informed liberal masses.
Comment by valiantthehater
Not real conservatives….none of them are VTH. Where is the fiscal responsibility? Why so much corruption from what you are still calling conservative? Why so much prostitution and lies? How is any of what these jokers say conservative? Government grew under Bush how is that conservative? How is billions of dollars gone missing conservative? How is buying a poor nation and dropping billions of dollars into it to rebuild what was destroyed conservative?
Maybe by real conservatives you mean Mammonists?
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:47 pmPoliticians have one thing on their mind. Stay in power, get re-elected.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:48 pmThey see the handwriting in blood on the wall.
Following the delusional commander guy over the cliff is not a re-election strategy.
They are not “real†republicans only after they go against the Moron in chimp..
Comment by Wayne — May 3, 2007 @ 6:43 pm
Yes the “moron” “chimp” whoe defeated two supposedly superior human beings in two Presidential elections, right? who is one of the only Presidents to keep his party in power in a mid-term election, 2002.
Yes, this “chimp”.
sad, sad, we can only shake our heads at the level of stupidity in left wing blogs.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:48 pmSynapsis of Articles of Impeachment Against Vice President Richard B. Cheney
Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Artice I
The Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, has purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States by fabricating a threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to justify the use of the U.S. Armed Forces against the nation of Iraq in a manner damaging to our national security interests.
(1) Despite all evidence to the contrary, the Vice President actively and systematically sought to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States about an alleged threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.
(2) Preceding the March 2003 invasion of Iraq the Vice President was fully informed that no legitimate evidence existed of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The Vice President pressured the intelligence community to change their findings to enable the deception of the citizens and Congress of the United States.
(3) The Vice President’s actions corrupted or attempted to corrupt the 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, an intelligence document issued on October 1, 2002 vote to autorize the use of force. The Vice President’s actions prevented the necessary reconciliation of facts for the National Intellgence Estimate which resulted in a high number of dissenting opinions from technical experts in two federal agencies.
The Vice President subverted the national security interests of the United States by setting the stage for the loss of more than 3,300 United States service members; the loss of 650,000 Iraqi citizens since the U.S. invasion; the loss of approximately $500 billion in war costs which has increased our federal debt; the loss of military readiness within the United States Armed Services due to overextension, lack of training and lack of equipment; the loss of United States credibility in world affairs; and the decares of likely blowback created by the invasion of Iraq.
EVIDENCE:
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1A.pdf
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:49 pmkucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1B.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1C.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1D.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1E.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1FG.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI1H.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI2A.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI2B.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI3.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI3.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artI3.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo1.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo2.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo3.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo4.pdf
Norm Coleman is a real beaut. I doubt he will be back in the Senate after this DOJ scandal plays out.
He has to be tied for one of the dumbest in the Senate with Inhofe, Boutin and Blunt. The three stooges and “Nummy” as their mascot.
He bought the Atta theory–how’s that working for you Nummy?
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:50 pmThe British Queen has arrived to celebrate the 400th anniversary of the first permanent English settlement at Jamestown, VA, although many Americans will still tell you it was in Plymouth, MA, 13 years later.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:50 pmSo the Hardliner Neocon Chickenhawk Cowards are sending out the moderates and juniors to prime the goobers for withdrawal…
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:50 pmHi Wayne & Jane~~~!!!
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:51 pmI knew this would happen. A lot of congress critters that might otherwise support him don’t see this as “sticking to his guns” They see it as refusing to respect congress. I can see Republicans going against the veto just out of spite.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:51 pmsad, sad, we can only shake the turds off our asses at the level of stupidity in Right (RedState…) wing blogs
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:51 pmNicely put Gerald!
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:53 pmThe “librul” media tried to spin this into a Bush victory after the veto, but that seems to be fading quickly. I haven’t seen any polls on the matter, but I have seen polls that show a majority of the nation trusting the dems more than Bush on Iraq (funny how four years of chaos and incompetence can do that.)
Bush’s ego isn’t worth a single drop of a soldier’s blood. It’s time for Iraq to solve the problems of Iraq and for the US troops to come home from a poorly planned occupation.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:53 pmsad, sad, we can only shake our heads at the level of stupidity in left wing blogs.
Comment by valiantthehater — May 3, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Only when you’re posting.
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:55 pmes the “moron†“chimp†whoe defeated two supposedly superior human beings in two Presidential elections, right? who is one of the only Presidents to keep his party in power in a mid-term election, 2002.-VTH
Your totally a little political groupy cultist you know that? Here we are in Hookergate two and your still clamoring about idiotic political smear campaigns when the Republican party is falling apart from internal corruption, lies, and more sex scandals.
What happened in 2006 to your superior nitwit and his turdblossoms numbers?
May 3rd, 2007 at 6:59 pmSynopsis of Articles of Impeachment Against Vice President Richard B. Cheney
Article II
The Vice President of the United States, Richard B. Cheney, has purposely manipulated the intelligence process to deceive the citizens and Congress of the United States about an alleged relationship between Iraq and al Qeada in order to justify the use of the U.S. Armed Forces against the nation of Iraq in a manner damaging to our national security interests.
(1) Despite all evidence to the contrary, the Vice President actively and systematically sought to deceive the citizens and the Congress of the United States about an alleged relationship between Iraq and al Qeada.
(2) Preceding the March 2003 invasion of Iraq the Vice President was fully informed that no credible evidence existed of a working relationship between Iraq and al Qeada, a fact articulated in several official documents.
The Vice President subverted the national security interests of the United States by setting the stage for the loss of more than 3,300 United States service members; the loss of 650,000 Iraqi citizens since the U.S. invasion; the loss of approximately $500 billion in war costs which has increased our federal debt; the loss of military readiness within the United States Armed Services due to overextension, lack of training and lack of equipment; the loss of United States credibility in world affairs; and the decades of likely blowback created by the invasion of Iraq.
EVIDENCE:
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1A.pdf
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:00 pmkucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1B.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1C.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1D.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1E.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1F.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1G.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1H.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII1I.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII2A.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII2B.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/artII2C.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo1.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo2.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo3.pdf
kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/clo4.pdf
sad, sad, we can only shake our heads at the level of stupidity in left wing blogs.
Comment by valiantthehater
Who is the stupid one that cannot post proof of their assertions, even though, you were provided a link to search their voting record? Huh?
You are the one that is stupid enough to never backup anything you say.
Moron.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:00 pmthe real winners with Bushes rampage - IRAN
face it trolls - they won - they outfoxed Bush
Americas talking after 30 years
Petrol prices good for them
They won Iraq over ( no enemies there anymore)
Saddams gone
They won the middle east over as Muslim friends
No Taliban or Bin laden to worry about
Their military is now powerful
They could have nuclear weapons soon
must admit Iran done well out of America having an idiot for president
an old Arab saying: the magic has taken over the magician.
The last thing the Middle East’s main players want is US troops to leave Iraq - - - - Bush is still playing into their hands
damned if you do and damned if you dont
Bush will never ever get the Iraqi Oil - - or Bin Laden
Neocons outwitted by Arabs with brains
Bush was right it was another ( failed ) Crusade - I rest my case
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:01 pmCan Think Progress please try to get Senator’s party affiliations and states right? Earlier, Mark Pryor was called a Republican, now Olympia Snow has moved to Washington.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:02 pmJane!
Wayne!
RUCerious!
All is right on the TP boards today……
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:02 pmHey Wayne, don’t forget to ask it about it’s dead kid…
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:02 pmHi, RUCerious! Good to see you! er, read you! We’ll both be around more soon, just a couple more weeks, then we’ll be able to keep up with everybody.
Have a great weekend, everyone (I’m off tomorrow and Monday.)
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:03 pmValiant,
My 10 year old is more mature than you. You are really giving Republicans a bad name. Do you think you’re going to win any people over by calling us all ’stupid liberals’? If not, then why are you posting here? Do you enjoy being annoying and in the company of people who hate having you around, much like your entire childhood?
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:04 pmsad, sad, we can only shake our heads at the level of stupidity in left wing blogs. Comment by valiantthehater
Well I aint no leftwinger and wise enough to know when I see a group of frauds that hide behind my God and the bible and use it as a shield so Idiots like you will fall at their feet like while shoveling billions into their crooked televangelist coffers.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:05 pmHi tru! Just loggin out to go rest up.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:05 pmGot chest drain tubes out yesterday, lookin up!!!
sad, sad, we can only shake our heads at the level of stupidity in left wing blogs.
Comment by valiantthehater
____________________
How true! Since you have no logic to counter progressive views, all you can do is shake your head like a bobble-doll. And being called “stupid” by one without that logic as well as a self-labeled “hater” is a great compliment, so I say “thank you”.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:05 pmThe British Queen has arrived to celebrate the 400th anniversary of the first permanent English settlement at Jamestown, VA, although many Americans will still tell you it was in Plymouth, MA, 13 years later.
Celebrating the start of 400 years of pillage and genocide.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:06 pmHeadline: Conservatives Are Cracking On Iraq ….but not enough to join Libs and overturn the veto………waaaagh!!
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:10 pmSorry, Republicans, it’s too late. You went along with Rove’s winner take all game. Not all of you participated directly, but you collaborated with a wink and a nod nonetheless. And you almost won it all. But now you are going to lose it all. You see, in 2008 you will suffer heavy losses, and not just at the federal level, but also at the state level. And guess what? Some of those state legislatures are going to undo the heavy gerrymandering that has kept your corrupt and generally unpopular party in power. Then there will be a new census in 2010, and new districts, and bye bye home court advantage! More heavy election losses! Imagine that.
The coming decade will come to be known among the Republican faithful as “the dark years”
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:11 pmWhen did Olympia Snowe become a Senator from Washington?
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:11 pmHeadline: Conservatives Are Cracking On Iraq ….but not enough to join Libs and overturn the veto………waaaagh!!
Fools are doomed to repeat history… just like the Nixon era idiots are back and making all the same mistakes INCLUDING …take all republicans for granted… just assuming they will never stand up to a half wit like bush… Nixon made that same mistake.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:13 pmHi Trueblue! Hope all is well with you. It’s too bad I have to leave, what with the gang all here!
Sorry, RUCerious, that’s the other Wayne posting, not Wayne A. Schneider. W.A.S. was here yesterday (see yesterday’s Leahy thread.) I’ll be back on Tuesday–hope to see you all then.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:13 pmThe current National Geographic features the devastating consequences of the Jamestown settlement on this continent.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:13 pm(And, the pillage, genocide and looting started a good 100 years earlier, in Florida…………..)
valiant where is Zawahiri? You know he’s planning his next attack against you. Yet you’re in here harrassing libs. No wonder we’re losing in Iraq. LOL.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:14 pmSeriously, you should be out questioning the lack of volunteers. For that you might want to be on a Red blog. LOL.
V V that couldn’t be sweeter news. R’s are going to be a long, long time out in the wilderness after all the shitbirds they’ve loosed come home to roost… enjoy the next couple decades of Liberal backlash - I hope the D’s tax you into a trailer park.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:15 pm#63 It does say Maine in the text.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:15 pmWhen did Olympia Snowe become a Senator from Washington?
Comment by valiant venus
The same time Bush became a genius…
Oh, never happened.
Someone at TP made a goof =)
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:15 pmIt’s about time to see some moral, accountable individuals emerging from the Republican party and breaking ranks with this President on this amoral, abysmal failure of a war in Iraq!
Frankly, this tells us something about their moral character - and tells us much about the moral character of those who aren’t speaking out against it, doesn’t it?
I would suspect that those who are NOT speaking out against it will see their last term in Congress because of this. This War stance will determine the next President of this country and will determine whether people keep their seats in Congress the next time they face re-election.
It’s all about the war - and very little else because one’s posture on this war gives Americans a true glimpse of the moral character and “soul” of each of our congressmen.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:18 pmThe coming decade will come to be known among the Republican faithful as “the dark yearsâ€
Comment by VerbalKint
And what was done to the Constitution and Bills of Rights AND what was done to make America look like the nazis… how they attacked a country that didnt attack us AND let Osama get away AND protected the Saudis and made secret deals with Pakistan that let Osama go free for years now…. Who among us will ever forget? None. How many will forgive? The right had better hope their BS about the left being too kind is true… because otherwise there is going to be hell to pay.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:20 pm#61 Comment by valiant venus — May 3, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
Headline: Conservatives Are Cracking On Iraq ….but not enough to join Libs and overturn the veto………waaaagh!!
I feel your sadness, my overweight blob of jello. But never fear, you will cheer up when congress and the presidency are in Democratic hands. It is only a little while longer, so dry your tears. Be strong! Punching bags aren’t supposed to cry.
Bwaaa Haaa Haaa
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:24 pmhttp://rawstory.com/ news/ 2007/ DFA_head_Impeachment_more_on_table_0502.html
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:24 pmThey did not “emerge”, veritas. They were given their orders by their party who knows they are F***** for a generation. Greasing the wheel. Priming the small parts for the whammy reversal of policy.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:24 pmPelosi, Reed,and the rest of those left wing kooks must be brought up on sedition charges. It’s high time that America purges these criminals.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:31 pmYeah uh huh.
You keep telling yourself all of that while we sit back and watch these three war mongers go down.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:33 pmsad, sad, we can only shake our heads at the level of stupidity in left wing blogs.
Comment by valiantthehater
Your “psuedo” psychology games are only working on YOU!!!
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:34 pm#56 Comment by Vinnie — May 3, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Do you enjoy being annoying and in the company of people who hate having you around?…
That’s what useful overweight, middle aged, cigarette smoking, bald headed trolls do! Become punching bags. Listen to that percussive music!
Blap, Blappity, Blippity Blap.
BwaaaHaaaaHaaaa
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:34 pmSedition charges for performing the will of the people. Yeah, America isn’t going to purge people who are doing their will. You are part of the 22%ers. 78% of us want Bush gone.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:34 pmAll these GOP senators are on the 2008 election list…and they are defeatable.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:39 pm#76 Comment by Prog Tom — May 3, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
Pelosi, Reed,and the rest of those left wing kooks must be brought up on sedition charges. It’s high time that America purges these criminals.
Listen, Frog Tom, Why don’t you spell VV for a while? That poor trollie is really taking a beating today. You know, when you’re 54 and puffy, you don’t handle the blows as well.
Wonder if the music from your head hitting the ceiling would be as sweet? Maybe it would go Blip, Blap, Blappity Blip.
BwaaaaHaaaaaHaaaaa
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:39 pmNorm Coleman is toast. Al Franken is going to beat him like a drum next year. And, ProgTom, I need to break this to you. Those “left wing kooks” as you call them are in agreement with over 60% of the American public and you are out of your frickin mind.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:40 pm#83
No more ‘Liebermans”
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:43 pmSpudge_Boy
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Pelosi, Reed, and others who have had to listen to neocon Bushmen call them traitors and seditious actually turned themselves into authorities and demanded that they be tried for those charges in order to have a fair hearing and to clear their names?
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:46 pmThe split is coming in the Republican party. There are a bunch of vulnerable Republican Senators and Congress critters who are going to have to make a choice in the next few months; jump the sinking Iraq ship like a drowning rat, or go down with the ship like a drowning lemming.
A lot of them are going to go with plan A. It may not save them, but they really have no choice, having painted themselves into the corner.
On a personal note, RUCerious, check out DK over the next few days, I’m going to post a diary about my recent visit to the great NW.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:46 pm#83 Comment by Bluedog49 — May 3, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
Norm Coleman is toast. Al Franken is going to beat him like a drum next year.
Oh BOY! More percussive music. Hmmm… What musical sound does a drum make???
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:47 pm#38 - Gerald, keep it coming. Maybe TP will have a thread on it….like they did the Military Commissions Act of 2006.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:49 pmBush = going down (Iraq)
Blair = going down (Iraq)
Olmert = going down (Lebanon)
Comment by Spudge_Boy — May 3, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Gannon = going down (__________)
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:50 pmBoom, boom, boom, crack!
21 Repub senators are up for reelection in 08 against only 9 Democrats. A recent study by The Hill predicted that Dems will pick up another 9 to 12 seats in the House. Supermajorities in both chambers and the Whitehouse! Conservatives have been pretty angry during these years of domination. After the ‘08 election, they’ll need to be institutionalized.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:52 pmOlympia is Washington, Sue is Maine.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:53 pmAll you have to do is ask a troll why noone volunteers. They’ll go away.
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:56 pmNo more volunteers left in the well. I say it’s outright treasonous for a Neocon Hardliner to be sitting here at home when the boys are dying everyday. Treason.
Senator Coleman, it wouldn’t” continue this way” if you followed through on your original intention, that we need to bring the troops home. Just follw-up, Sir and vote NO MORE MONEY!
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:57 pmSimple as that!
#32 Comment by valiantthehater — May 3, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
Olmert = going down (Lebanon)
——c’mon Spudge_boy, Olmert is going down because Israelis perceive him as losing this war against Hezzbollah, not because the war was bad. Most Israelis agreed the war was necessary last summer and that Olmert, an ultra-Liberal tied the hands of the military and didn’t allow the military to go all out in Lebanon. Nothing to do with anti-war crap, guy.
Pssst… VVthe lover…This is why you are a punch drunk punching bag. You make up responses to statements that were never said. You’re talking to yourself again, fat boy.
I tried to warn you! But would you listen? NO! You keep hanging in there (get it, tee hee) spouting your off in the clouds answers that no one here wants to hear…Sigh…
Oh well, a punching bag can only do what it does best, I suppose.
Toooodles… my hair challenged punching bag
May 3rd, 2007 at 8:11 pmSo these Republicans are not “real conservatives” now? And calling them conservatives is a spin?
LOL
The length some people will go to deny reality. Too funny.
May 3rd, 2007 at 8:20 pmSnowe and Collins have been sitting on a fence for so long that they both have a permanent crease up their butts and an enlarged anus. They both SAY NOTHING and are both irrelevant. Colins is up for re-election. Excuse me, this is the woman who bathed in the glory of both Bush1 and Bush 2 as she posed for photo ops with them, while accepting their campaign money. Wow could she ever look more pleased to be in the company of such notables (liars both) Excuse me, she is a whore and now, well now she sees fit to put out some inane comments to make it appear that she is against the occupation of Iraq–she and Hillary must be having lunch together often–after she came home from a visit to Iraq and fully supported the illegal invasion and said she saw the “mass burials” Feh. She has to go. She is just an embarrassment.
This slaughter will NOT end soon. OUr troops are being slaughtered and know not who the enemy is. They attack anything they are ordered to attack, and it is the bombing of civilians, killing children. The slaughter will NOT end until BUSH IS IMPEACHED.
If the Democrats cannot find it in their hearts to rid this country of a madman and his insane vice president, and are content to sit back and compromise with a madman as if they are actually doing something about stopping this insanity and killing—well dear folks, we cannot hope for the restitution of our democracy.
I mean think of it. Halliburton entrenched in the oil fields and all the reconstruction. A private mercenary army called Blackwater, fully invested and making a lot of money. An embassy in the works–consisting of one hundred acres and the largest US embassay anywhere in the world, and the building of some fifteen or more bases
I mean, what politician would want to upset that whole money making scheme and have all those people converging on his/her head? NONE
Ask Hillary. She would like, last I heard, to keep troops in the area. uh HUH–gotta keep them hALLIBURTONS AND THE REST profitable for many years and gotta clutch to your breast the spoils of this slaughter–empire and riches at the cost of hundreds of thousands of human lives.
May 3rd, 2007 at 8:27 pmif the there is so much concensus for pulling the troops out, why did it take so much non-war related pork in the bill to buy the votes to get it through the congress?
May 3rd, 2007 at 8:34 pm#90 Comment by Bluedog49 — May 3, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
Boom, boom, boom, crack!
Sounds painful! Eweeeu. Like the sound of neo-con wannabe congresspersons heads splitting open. To reveal…nothing
May 3rd, 2007 at 8:46 pm“Bush = going down (Iraq) —this is a liberal’s wet dream. Not reality.”
ROFL… Dear heart, Bush has already gone down out here in the real world. You should join us here some time. You might even like it.
“Blair = going down (Iraq) — Europeans are unfortunatly very unsophisticated, poorly educated and rather live in a fake peace”
I think I’ll just let this particular bit of idiocy stand without further comment. Don’t you just love comments like these?
“Olmert = going down (Lebanon) — c’mon Spudge_boy, Olmert is going down because Israelis perceive him as losing this war against Hezzbollah, not because the war was bad.”
No, dear, he’s going down because he started an ill-advised war and because he executed it so poorly that he ended up losing it, as the recent report quite clearly demonstrated.
Poor VT … another strikeout.
May 3rd, 2007 at 8:51 pm“why did it take so much non-war related pork in the bill to buy the votes to get it through the congress”
Did you, perchance, compare the “pork” in that bill to the pork in the other war spending bills?
May 3rd, 2007 at 8:52 pm“Pelosi, Reed,and the rest of those left wing kooks must be brought up on sedition charges. It’s high time that America purges these criminals.”
Oh my … yes, yes, please! Contact your Congresscritters and the Bush administration. I so want this to happen. ROFL….
May 3rd, 2007 at 8:53 pmHeadline: Conservatives Are Cracking On Iraq ….but not enough to join Libs and overturn the veto………waaaagh!!”
Dear heart, this is just round one, as everyone here knows. You know what’s great, though? The Republican Party has now and forever tied itself to the Iraq War, an anchor around their necks. It couldn’t have happened to a more deserving set of folks.
May 3rd, 2007 at 8:55 pmWill do feebog, good to see ya and hear ya here.
May 3rd, 2007 at 8:56 pm“we can only shake our heads at the level of stupidity in left wing blogs”
So do we, dear, but so far, you’re still posting. Ah, well … it’s highly entertaining, at any rate, particularly the little fantasies you post.
May 3rd, 2007 at 8:57 pmThe greatest fear of these repuke pols.
May 3rd, 2007 at 8:58 pmNon re-election.
Scramble, backtrack, erase those tapes, nobody’ll notice.
You were against this moron all along….
From the Title:
Conservatives Are Cracking On Iraq
Boom, Boom Boom Crack! I like that. Sort of like watching the popcorn pop.
The neo-con/republics/conservacons are cracking up in sort of slow motion. Every week we are treated to one or more heads cracking to great noise. Really, its too much to keep up with. Its everywhere folks, not like in Watergate. Then it was simple. Just one game in town.
May 3rd, 2007 at 9:00 pmWatching the heads roll almost makes me understand how Madame Defarge must have felt In the “Tale of Two Cities.”
#99 Comment by PaulB — May 3, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
“Bush = going down (Iraq) —this is a liberal’s wet dream.
Now look, fatboy, just because you are over the hill and can’t have them anymore, is no reason to let your envy show here. And, BTW, how come you know so much about “a liberal’s wet dream?” Just what do you trollies do over in that troll locker room, anyway?
Tell me. How tall are the lockers in the troll locker room?
Enquiring minds want to know
ROFL… Dear heart, Bush has already gone down out here in the real world. You should join us here some time. You might even like it.
PaulB…I’m afraid the closest he will ever come to reality is the gym where realists work out. You know, sort of the guy who can’t get a date so he smells a w…oh never mind.
May 3rd, 2007 at 9:15 pmIn other news, that slimy scumbag Giuliani is ahead of ALL Democrats in the polls. American voters are stupid, and they deserve the trash they get.
May 3rd, 2007 at 10:25 pm#107 Merlin, aim your darts where they belong. He was responding to tranny at #32
May 3rd, 2007 at 10:58 pmCAUTION: CONSERVATIVE IDEAS AHEAD
May spout radical ideas including freedom, limited government, balanced budgets, minimal taxation, less regulation, free and open markets, individual responsibility, and a strict interpretation of the constitution.
Wow, ambiguous quotes from Republicans. Keep up the watchful eye.
May 3rd, 2007 at 11:32 pmCAUTION: CONSERVATIVE AHEAD
May spout radical ideas including freedom, limited government, balanced budgets, minimal taxation, less regulation, free and open markets, individual responsibility, and a strict interpretation of the constitution.
Wow, ambiguous quotes from Republicans. Keep up the watchful eye.
May 3rd, 2007 at 11:34 pm#11 There have been no conservatives since pre-Reagan. They are now just libertarians in denial.
May 3rd, 2007 at 11:38 pmThe walls are closing in on him.
May 3rd, 2007 at 11:41 pm#111, that is.
May 3rd, 2007 at 11:42 pmMoveOn is taking a one-question poll: do you think Congress should impeach George Bush.
Take it here: http://pol.moveon.org/ bushsurvey/ a.html?id=10229-4599041-uA6iZW&t=1
May 4th, 2007 at 12:41 am“The President vetoed our troops and the American people,†says retired Maj. Gen. John Batiste. “His stubborn commitment to a failed strategy in Iraq is incomprehensible. He committed our great military to a failed strategy in violation of basic principles of war. His failure to mobilize the nation to defeat world wide Islamic extremism is tragic. We deserve more from our commander-in-chief and his administration.â€
Retired Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton: “This administration and the previously Republican-controlled legislature have been the most caustic agents against America’s Armed Forces in memory. Less than a year ago, the Republicans imposed great hardship on the Army and Marine Corps by their failure to pass a necessary funding language. This time, the President of the United States is holding our Soldiers hostage to his ego. More than ever [it is] apparent [that] only the Army and the Marine Corps are at war — alone, without their President’s support.â€
May 4th, 2007 at 12:48 am#115 It is a push poll!!! It mentions Dubya!!! :)
May 4th, 2007 at 12:48 amnow if we can just get rid of electronic voting machines—we’ll win.
May 4th, 2007 at 12:53 amSo what, when it comes down to it, they are like worker bees.
May 4th, 2007 at 1:35 am#109 Comment by JPark — May 3, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
Merlin, aim your darts where they belong. He was responding to tranny at #32.
Ooops, my bad! I should have said #32.
May 4th, 2007 at 2:18 amMy humble apologies PaulB!
Thanks for pointing out my stupid error JPark.
No prob Merlin. Everybody messes up :)
May 4th, 2007 at 2:19 am“Obviously, the president would prefer a straight funding bill with no benchmarks, no conditions, no reports. Many of us, on both sides of the aisle, don’t see that as viable.”
When conditions have been put into legislation, Republicans have ignored them, and enabled Bush make Iraq into a hell on earth.
From AUMF or HJ resolution 114 (the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq that Congress gave Bush on October 16, 2002):
You can read the rest (AUMF) here to learn what else was required of Bush that he has never complied with.
The Republican-controlled Congress let it slide. There have been none of these required reports to Congress in the more than 4 years of this war in Iraq.
If you’ve read any of the books that have detailed what’s been going on in the Bush administration and how it’s conducted the war, I think you’d notice exactly what the problem is. Aside, of course, from the fact that the war never should have happened in the first place, or that neocons like Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz and Stephen Hadley had an impossible ideological dream of Iraq as their incubator for conservatives’ economic theories (privatization). What is the problem?
It’s that everyone in the Bush administration is a dilettante. They’re all big on theory, but they haven’t any practical experience actually working.
It’s a pattern that’s evident from all of the accounts of this administration. You can even pick it up in the 9/11 Commission’s Report. The ordinary people doing the work in government, career workers, civil servants (and in Iraq, the troops), all did (and are doing) their jobs superbly. It’s that middle level, the appointees, the political players right up through Bush, that have failed miserably.
Some of the books published so far make for extremely frustrating reading for people trained and experienced in breaking down tasks and communications to their most basic, direct and efficient steps. I don’t think that the authors themselves realize that what they have revealed in their books, of the failures of the Bush administration, all have this common thread.
Bob Woodward goes into some detail in “State of Denial” about some of the efforts undertaken to identify why the invasion of Iraq wasn’t going as had been sold to Congress and the American people. Woodward describes Condoleeza Rice at loggerheads with Rumsfeld. In March, 2004, Rice sends her senior director for defense at the NSC, Frank Miller, to Iraq to find out what’s really going on. Miller headed the Executive Steering Group which was to coordinate Iraq issues among the different federal agencies.
On one trip, Miller spent a week traveling all over Iraq and seemed to get a sense of the problem: “Bremer didn’t delegate and he doesn’t have time to do everything.”
Miller listed the top 10 issues, and included five more - all general complaints, with no concrete recommendations:
On page 294, Woodward writes:
This story continues with success in Iraq being no closer, actually getting worse, and repeats itself just about every six months to a year. Rice sends Miller to find out “What’s really going on in Iraq?”, Miller returns, reports, more money is sent, lather, rinse, repeat. Reading this, I became increasingly annoyed that at no point did anybody with authority actually hand-carry the money through, find out just what and where the bottlenecks are, and make on-the-spot decisions to break through them. There are no Lt. General Russel Honores involved anywhere in this quagmire of Iraq.
And after four years of it, I believe that it’s by design.
May 4th, 2007 at 4:01 am“—–Europeans are unfortunately very unsophisticated, poorly educated and rather live in a fake peace with their enemies who will have no problem destroying them while they think they are living in peace. ”
Yeah, folks over here are pretty unsophisticated. Every time there’s an attack on American soldiers in Iraq, the French and Germans shake their heads and think “Man, that could’ve been us.” Same goes for the other three quarters of the world’s population which thought the Iraq invasion was a dumb idea. But it’s too late for regrets. No, opportunties like this to destabilize the Middle East AND dump lives and money into unending military adventures need to be seized. The bandwagon’s too far gone.
Seriously, the folks who put down Europeans should come over to Europe and get a clue as to what living is like over here. They might learn why the majority of the 300 plus million Europeans aren’t falling over themselves to come to North America.
And what’s really really amusing is that it seems to bug the heck out of them that the Europeans aren’t letting themselves get scared witless by those nasty Muslims who’ve been living in and next to Europe since, what, the 8th century AD? It’s like “Come on, Europeans- how can you get yourselves into paranoid hysterics if you’re not going to get frightened first? If you don’t declare war on Muslims, there’ll be war!”
Europe knows about war. And unlike Americans, for lots of them it’s not something which happens far away and only on TV. A war isn’t a device for getting high on your own anger and demanding dramatic and shortsighted action while you’re sitting comfortable on your sofa. Millions lived it and remember the consequences, and strangely, they don’t seem to be interested in looking for trouble. Too unsophisticated, I guess.
May 4th, 2007 at 8:56 amIF these Republicans are that disconcerted by Bush and Iraq, then why in the hell don’t they grow a pair of gonads and take action to STOP him. I’m so sick of their “gnashing their teeth and wringing their hands” and putting their ideology and party above the good of the country and the will of We, the People — the taxpayers and the the citizens who pay the fricking bills.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:15 am“IF these Republicans are that disconcerted by Bush and Iraq, then why in the hell don’t they grow a pair of gonads and take action to STOP him.”
Don’t hold your breath. Over and over again over the past several years, we’ve been told that moderate Republicans were poised to flex their muscles and actually do something to take back their party. And every single time, they’ve caved.
I actually expect that this time they will start fighting back, but it’s going to take several more months of failure and violence in Iraq before they do so. Once they realize that their political future is at stake, you can expect some action from them, but not until then.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:53 amSusan Collins, Snowe and Castle are not conservatives. They are moderate to liberal Republicans. So what’s your point? If there is such groundswell for a timetable, why can’t you override Bush’s veto. You fell about 68 votes short in the House.
May 4th, 2007 at 1:54 pm#126 Comment by Center Right — May 4, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
Susan Collins, Snowe and Castle are not conservatives. They are moderate to liberal Republicans. So what’s your point? If there is such groundswell for a timetable, why can’t you override Bush’s veto. You fell about 68 votes short in the House.
You are blowing a bit of smoke here from a place of tunnel vision as well as confusion.
The fear begetting the lack of action and shrunken gonads on the part or “centrist” Reps may be coming to an end to some degree. Never the less as long as the bully, in the form of BushCo still holds sway, not much will happen. Freedom of expression is not what this cabal promote. Punishment is the forte of this group af thugs. Look at attorneygate as an example. Some fine Republican attorneys Bush appointed were fired for not hewing the party line.
2008 is coming and then the “centrists” will be able to take off their chains and vote as they choose. After 6 years of party imprisonment and threats to their political life, have they forgotten how to lead? We will soon find out…if they are still around. (That is your tunnel vision here. Look at the big picture involving emotional reality. EVERYTHING revolves around that!)
Regarding your confusion…The groundswell is from the public not the Senate. That will be fixed in 2008 when we pick up10+ seats.
The wheels of justice grind slowly but they grind exceedingly small.
May 4th, 2007 at 3:42 pmNow isn’t this just a little bit of irony
(from the following webpage:
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2007/ 05/ 04/ washington/ 04veto.html?_r=2&ref=washington&oref=slogin&oref=slogin )
‘In a two-page letter sent to the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, and the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, Mr. Bush said his veto threat would apply to any measures that “allow taxpayer dollars to be used for the destruction of human life.‒
So THAT’s why G.Dubious vetoed the funding bill for Iraq!
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