Democrats want to leave Iraq.
They don’t want to decrease military spending or get rid of pork.
Somehow though you think the likelyhood of all of these are comparable.
That’s fantasy kid.

Imagine the infectious disease threat our country could encounter with the increasing numbers losing access to health care.

You clearly don’t have a clue what the expression “false dilemma” even means.

I suggest you look it up before you post next time.

Getting rid of pork, decreasing military spending, or leaving Iraq are no more “fantasy fiction” than raising the tax rate to 48%.

1) Get more resources (we did that already and are in decline)

2) Reduce the demand by population reduction (we are turning up the flame on this process as we speak)

3) Move to another planet that has abundant resources

4) Go extinct…

“One in four kids GOES without health care”

And how do illegal aliens, whether children or adults, drive up the cost of healthcare for the rest of us if they can’t afford it in the first place? There’s some warped logic there. And no facts to back up your fantasy accusations.

You just can’t face the fact that 23 million children of American bona fide American citizens might be unable to have necessary medical care because you’d rather pay 50% more for your private insurance rather than subscribe to a public plan. That’s right, you pay more so the poor can die. It’s quite a wonderful system, social Darwinism.

Comment by Cynicon Implant — May 3, 2007 @ 9:47 am

Did it ever occur to you to read the report?

Comment by Jay Randal — May 3, 2007 @ 8:27 am

OIL is a big factor JR. OIL equals ENERGY. When energy was cheap it happened to be abundant. The concept is that any system that exists has inputs and outputs. For about 100 years the main input has been OIL/COAL/NG. Back when oil and Texas was king it would take 1 barrel of LSC (light sweet crude oil) to recover (get, pump) 110 barrels of LSC so then we had a ratio of 110/1. This RATIO is called the EROEI or the Energy Returned on Energy Invested.

Over time Texas was depleted and it was apparent that the Texas oil industry could not in fact meet the increased demands of the US population. This is when we moved to imports and started to use more natural gas for heat and hot water. After a short plateau period Texas oil well output started to DECLINE and the EROEI started to fall as well. When a well reaches 1:1 it is history. Texas has many dry holes now.

Each and every day the world consumes 85M +/- barrels of OIL. The daily requirements for energy are on the rise. India & China make up about 1/2 of the global population of 6.5BILLION. This number is also growing every day along with the energy demand. Our population now uses or consumes resources at a faster rate than we can obtain them and more importantly our demand has now out stepped our supplies. Shortages are on the way.

On the news last night they mentioned gasoline being in short supply and blamed it on lack of refineries. In a way it is true that there is a refinery issue but it is not because there are not enough of them. Now I need to include HSC or Heavy Sour Crude into the nomenclature of oil. Like in the name this oil is the stuff at the bottom of the well so to speak. Since it has different properties than LSC it also has a lower EROEI. This varies from place to place but oil that is deeper, thicker and heavier requires more energy to get out of the Earth.

HSC is now the main oil output from Ghawar (the largest oil well in the world). Making gasoline from HSC is possible with different tooling (equipment at the refinery) however most of the US refineries are set up to only process LSC. The people on the evening news mentioned that Summer 2007 will see the price of $4.00 per gallon as an average in the US. This will only rise as we enter a phase of demand destruction and real supply shortages.

All of the oil wells around the world have gone into terminal decline at this point. It takes more and more energy (OIL) to pump and process oil that is declining in both quantity and quality. The current EROEI for oil recovery around the globe is 5/1 so for each barrel invested we recover 5 leaving us with 4. This is a far cry less that when Texas was king of oil at 110/1.

All of the alternative energy sources including nuclear are dependent upon OIL/COAL/NG. So in reality “X” # of units of oil are used to process “X” # of units of Uranium for a reactor. Growing corn or beets for Ethanol requires “X” # of units of natural gas to fertilize “X” # of hectares of land (soil is now also in terminal depletion). Ethanol is a combination of alcohol (from plants) and gasoline that is now in terminal decline since gasoline comes from OIL.

Basically the Republican & Democratic plan is the same in that both realize that the Earth’s entire human population will need to be culled in order to prevent our own extinction. The Republican version has the USA as the dominant global leader while the Democratic version calls for a one world government. Both are known as the NOW it is just a matter of what one becomes champion.

Culling the excess human population requires war, starvation, dehydration, disease, extreme conditions and infestations. The government has no interest in helping the 24 million children nor is it going to help the poor around the world nor is it going to pull out of Iraq nor can we change any of this. At best we can hope that “ALIENS FROM SPACE” land here on Earth and supply us with the ever elusive “Free Energy from Time & Space” system of energy production.

Till then the world will grow harsher and deadlier on a daily basis. The USA will in short order have millions of potential military recruits ready to serve in IRAN & KOREA & ETC. when the US economy collapses and Marshal Law is instituted….

This is why things are the way they are and die-off will happen regardless of how the deaths occur. Every story has a first page and a last page and so do humans. By the way if you think I’m negative and depressing just open your eyes for once and look around at the world we live in. Posters here generally argue about EVERYTHING but in the end most are in denial of the true gravity of our situation as mammals of the Earth.

There the simplified story of everything about the implications of the industrial revolution.

F*ck off, CI. I truly hope your children have everything they need, because there’s someone out there just like you who doesn’t give a shit about your kids.

No one in this country should be going without healthcare — especially children. They are innocents. I don’t care if their parents are illegals, if the children were born here they’re Americans, entitled to everything that goes along with that — which apparently includes a lack of healthcare.

Children don’t have any power, they don’t influence their parents’ decisions, but you would have them sick. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I read recently that if the corporations paid the same percentage of income tax now as they did in the 60’s, we could pay off the insane debt Bush has run up for this insane occupation in less than a year. How about it. It has become the United Corporations of America, so let them pay their fair share so that the people who work for them can have a decent standard of living and health care.

Oh, and don’t even try to get all self-righteous on this and claim that these kids should be given free healthcare — the parents of those children are the ones who have put them in danger by coming here illegally.

Muckdog probably failed math in high school as he seems not to understand the concept of progressive taxation. Hint: the higher rates are not retroactive, but only apply to money made in the higher tax bracket.

BTW, did you know that American have a much higher rate of appendectomy and tonsilectomy operations than Canadians? And they pay more for the operations too. That’s because these are income generating operations in a For Profit health care system. They’re minor operations and often unnecessary, but they can be afforded by most insured patients so why not cut & charge?

Americans spend almost twice per capita on health care than those countries with Universal Health Care and they have spotty coverage and it’s not always top notch. And research hospitals in not-for-profit countries do more R&D because they’re not pouring their budgets into sales & marketing.

Comment by Jay Randal — May 3, 2007 @ 8:57 am

Wow Jay, I’m sorry you have to live with such paranoia. Seriously, though, this post was just meant to get a reaction, right? Nobody is foolish enough to believe that.