Perle: ‘I Never Believed Saddam Was Responsible For 9/11′
Perle: ‘I Never Believed Saddam Was Responsible For 9/11′
CNN’s Wolf Blitzer interviewed former Iraq war architect Richard Perle to get his response to accusations by George Tenet that he was advocating an attack against Iraq in the days after 9/11. Perle acknowledged meeting Tenet a week after 9/11 at the White House, but claimed he never conversed with Tenet. Perle then said, “I never believed Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11.”
But CNN played a clip from 9/16/01 that showed Perle telling the network:
Even if we cannot prove to the standard that we enjoy in our own civil society they are involved, we do know, for example, that Saddam Hussein has ties to Osama bin Laden. That can be documented.
Watch it:
There is more strong evidence that Perle was advocating a war against Iraq shortly after 9/11. As ThinkProgress has noted, Perle signed a letter to President Bush on 9/20/01 that stated the following:
[E]ven if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the attack, any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq.
Moreover, conservative pundit Robert Novak recalls in a column today:
Over the telephone on Sept. 17, Perle told this column that there were few good targets in Afghanistan but many in Iraq. Perle, a former assistant secretary of defense, was then chairman of the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board.
After thoroughly trashing Tenet, Perle later in the same interview cited him as a source for a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda. “There was a relationship,” Perle said. “It has not only been documented, as I said in the clip. But George Tenet himself has written a letter that indicates this.”
Tenet did indeed write a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2002 claiming an Iraq-al Qaeda relationship. But Tenet recently told Blitzer, “We were sloppy in that letter.”
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Who the f*ck cares what this liar says anymore.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:08 pmWowee! The Lyingbastardometer just pegged the shit out of it’s whopperometer!
May 4th, 2007 at 6:11 pmBullshit!!
Oh my god — Bullshit.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:12 pmthey speak as if there is no such thing as audio and visual recordings.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:12 pmPearle, like most neocons is a believer in the political theories of Leo Strauss. I highly recommend that people become familiar with Strauss. The more you understand Strauss, the easier it is to understand these neocons. Strauss believed in, among other things, a highly stratified class system with a ruling class. He believed in a state religion which he felt was useful in placating the masses. He believed in what he called “noble lies,” lies which must be told to the masses because the masses would not necessarily agree with policy if they new the truth and the masses, he felt, don’t know what’s good for them.
This is why modern neocon thinking is profoundly unamerican.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:12 pmRevisionist history.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:12 pmPerle: “NO, it wasn’t Saddam. It was Ahmadinejad. I got confused. Let’s invade Iran now and correct my mistake.”
May 4th, 2007 at 6:13 pmPearle lies – the earth orbits the sun – water is wet.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:14 pmLying mutha @^%$#&
May 4th, 2007 at 6:14 pmIt’s become who’s the biggest bullsh%tter in the Big Bullsh%tter’s club. Each trying to out BS the other.
Here’s your party’s handlers republicans. Another fine example of why the republican party is damaged for years to come.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:17 pmPerle told this column that there were few good targets in Afghanistan but many in Iraq.
-Douchebag of Liberty Robert Novakula
What kind of reasoning is that? It’s like the guy who lost a quarter in the alley but looks for it under the street lamp because the light’s better there.
And why does Novakula even have a public forum anymore? Why does anyone listen to him?
May 4th, 2007 at 6:17 pmAnd here I didn’t think the seventh son of the seventh son of Satan spoke English. I though he spoke in Latin. Isn’t that why all of the Satanic Devil worshipers read their Black Bibles in Latin?
Now I am confused. Are they telling me that you can just talk to the devil without a Satanic translator? Also, where did they find the Devil’s phone number to get in contact with the leader of the fifth level of Hell?
May 4th, 2007 at 6:21 pmCage match time.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:23 pmNeocons on the run. You want the devastating truth about the neocons the demand that FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds recieve a public hearing before the Senate and we’ll all discover the true power structure of our government. We’ll learn of the ATC and how many retired Pentagon Official work for them and make illegal arms deals around the world, including nukes and yellow cake; we’ll learn of how the Afghan Poppy feilds reach worldwide heroin distribution and profits are filling the wallets of many neocons and their affliate banks laundering the money similiar to BCCI, we’ll learn of sex slave trafficking, including children. Ultimately we’ll learn that the entire illicit operation is being overseen by the lords of AIPAC, neocon central.
Demand that Sibel Edmonds testimony be heard by the American public.
http://lukery.dailykos.com/
this is the battle of our lifetimes and the enemy is here
May 4th, 2007 at 6:25 pmNow I am confused. Are they telling me that you can just talk to the devil without a Satanic translator? Also, where did they find the Devil’s phone number to get in contact with the leader of the fifth level of Hell?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — May 4, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
I only wish there was a devil, then at least I’d feel some slight comfort that these will get theirs. But they also know there’s no devil, and they’re free to act without conscience or morality. Like Stalin or Hitler, he who stand on the top of the heap at the end of it wins.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:26 pmHey Think Progress, please cover Sibel Edmonds story. You will have an instant wave of public support which will out way any threat you receive from corrupt neocons at the Pentagon or from the mainstream media moguls.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:27 pm#5 Comment by Bluedog49 — May 4, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
“Pearle, like most neocons is a believer in the political theories of Leo Strauss. I highly recommend that people become familiar with Strauss. The more you understand Strauss, the easier it is to understand these neocons.
This is why modern neocon thinking is profoundly unamerican.”
Spot on Bludog49!
A very good book to start with is
“Leo Strauss and the American Right.” by Shadia Drury, 1997, ISBN 0-312-21783-8 paperback.
Very thorough easy read.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:31 pmOff topic.
Bare with me. :)
Future apprentice to Karl Rove here:
Sixth-grader admits stabbing ducks with pencil
POSTED: 1:07 p.m. EDT, May 4, 2007
Story Highlights
• Sixth grade boy admits stabbing ducks with pencil
• Mother duck, “Lucy,” and two ducklings found dead, mutilated
• Kansas elementary school students were protecting the ducks
• Boy has been suspended from school
Or future GOPresident.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:31 pmWell, I expect Perle is in very deep cahoots with the Israeli lobby. Sorry, but doesn’t he hold dual citizenship? I suspect he has been lobbying ever since he took a stage, for Israel’s protection, rather than expressing concern about America’s welfare. That includes cheerleading on, anyway he can, the war against Iraq, and next Iran, if he had his way. NO Israeli soldier has died in the war in Iraq. NONE. INstead Israel and the likes of Perle, have stood bullhorn in hand, cheering on the United States to sacrifice THEIR YOUNG for the sake of Israel, amongst other reasons.
Please sir, just go back to Israel and live there. OK? You are nothing here but an antagonist looking out for the welfare of the state of Israel, which is fast proving itsself to be formost in the race to fascism.
Fo live there sir. and get out of my country and it’s affairs re this war and this conquoring and this killing and murdering.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:32 pmSuit up Perle, you are going on IED patrol in Baghdad.
What a useless slice of feces.
-GSD
May 4th, 2007 at 6:33 pmGood catch, Merlin! Drury is one of the best debunkers of Straussian theory and Strauss himself.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:37 pm#15 Comment by Namtillaku — May 4, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
“I only wish there was a devil, then at least I’d feel some slight comfort that these will get theirs. But they also know there’s no devil, and they’re free to act without conscience or morality.”
Giving up God was easy! It was parting with the Devil as a concept that was hard. That’s why I agreed with a previous poster on another thread that I want to see their neocon asses parachuted into Falouja so they can be greeted with flowers. Let the punishment fit the crime.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:38 pmtest
May 4th, 2007 at 6:39 pmPlease sir, just go back to Israel and live there. OK? You are nothing here but an antagonist looking out for the welfare of the state of Israel, which is fast proving itsself to be formost in the race to fascism.
Nothing about his having dual citizenship here…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle
…but as usual with these, there is money involved.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:39 pmI think he does have duel citizenship with Isreal. He’s manipulating.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:39 pmThe pack of rats is running as fast as possible from the garbage heap that they caused to pile up. They know that they will get a pass from the SCLM on going back to look up what they actually said or did in the past. Every time I hear about how the war backing pundits were “serious” and should be listened to now, I become ill. Those that were right all along are shoved aside and called “unserious” or worse in the SCLM. w and his cronies are serious about overturning the Constitution and ending this country’s relative democracy.
The US is not a real democracy or Al Gore would have been in the WH without worrying about a recount; he had at least a plurality of the popular vote. Perle and his cohort had, and still have, major conflicts of interest in holding DoD contractor stock and advising that the US go to war and remain at war. They will never pay the penalty that they deserve to pay.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:40 pmthese people never, ever, seem to stop. the sad reality this country has sunk to, was that it was the evil dictator saddam who was right about many things, and the “president” who turned out to be wrong or lying.
Read a good article on this:
“Saddam was Right and Bush was Wrong”
May 4th, 2007 at 6:41 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/saddam_was_right_and_bush_was_wrong
just so you know… I have been censored on this comment board.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:45 pmThe Bush administration is urging Congress to pass a law that would halt dozens of lawsuits charging phone companies with invading ordinary citizens’ privacy through a post-Sept. 11 warrantless surveillance program.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:45 pmMcCain, Giuliani Wouldn’t Hesitate to Attack Iran if They Felt It Posed a Threat to Israel
May 4th, 2007 at 6:46 pmSaddam had to be silenced quickly. He knew too much about the Neocons going back to Raygun.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:47 pmHow quickly one forgets when one is wrong… open mouth insert foot…
May 4th, 2007 at 6:48 pmThere are lots of good targetrs in Paris, London and Moscow, too, Mr. Perle, but does that mean we should go to war with France, the UK or the Russians because a non-state actor directly supported by some of the wealthiest factions in Saudi Arabia committed criminal terrorist acts in New York City? The self-serving hypocrisy of these men should come back to haunt them. They have become prominent and wealthy selling this tripe as if it were steak fillet. Time for them to eat their words.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:49 pmTP will censure you if you talk too much smack about Isreal, and how they are becoming the very thing that they abhore the most. Fascists.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:49 pmWell, technically he’s not lying. Bear with me. I don’t think for a minute that he ever BELIEVED Saddam had anything to do with 9/11. But he did think that 9/11 was a convenient excuse to raise the rabble to invade Iraq. That doesn’t make him a liar; it makes him a cynical, manipulative bastard.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:50 pmPerle is probably right. He probably knew damn well that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 but that didn’t stop him from using 9/11 as an opportunity to press for the invasion of Iraq. He’s part of the group that had been lobbying for this invasion for years and 9/11 must have seemed like the answer to a prayer. The attack on the World Trade Center generated just the sort of emotional response necessary to push Americans into supporting attacks on just about anyone, and it was people (make that “people”) like Perle who were ready and eager to do the pushing.
Perle is responsible for this gem (h/t to wikipedia): “Saddam is much weaker than we think he is. He’s weaker militarily. We know he’s got about a third of what he had in 1991. But it’s a house of cards. He rules by fear because he knows there is no underlying support. Support for Saddam, including within his military organization, will collapse at the first whiff of gunpowder. Now, it isn’t going to be over in 24 hours, but it isn’t going to be months either.” (emphasis added)
Another classic Republican “expert” that continues to be given credence even when he’s proven he has no frickin’ clue what he’s talking about.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:51 pmThe backpeddling and outright lying is reaching outrageous proportions in this administration indicated a total lack of honor as well as a disintegration of the trust of the people.
Of course, Richard Perle was complicit in the pretext for the war and the linkage of it and 911 as evidenced by the clip on this thread. He can say what he wants to say now with 20/20 clarity because what he said back in 01 has been proven to be fraudulent.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:52 pmImpeach Jake!
May 4th, 2007 at 6:52 pmFaiz – I have known many Progressives play “fast and loose” with the truth – but Faiz, you should be sent to “time-out” (isn’t that what Prog parents do to discipline their children?) You implicate Richard Perle in a lie – relaying the story the way you have done so is in itself a lie. There is enough to disagree about without you falsifying a story and twisting it into a pretzel. Shame on you!
May 4th, 2007 at 6:53 pmwhy bother with perle? the man is simply a liar. forget him and let us focus on the horror occuring at the Justice Dept.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:53 pmbilljpa
DOES ANYONE HAVE A LIST OF MEMBERS OF THE NEO-NAZI/FASCIST ORGANIZATION CALLED PNAC? Also, a list of membership of the Federalist Society is necessary so the people can precisely see just whom among us could handily be labeled as “the enemy within”.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:53 pmHindsight’s always 20/20 Perle! The fact of the matter is that YOU have the blood of the victims of this amoral, illegal war on YOUR hands….as does Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz….(and plenty of others in the PNAC). Blood soaked hands – every last one of them. Their karma is below toxic at this point; they will all experience disease of remarkable proportions and will find that leading a life of corruption & lies kills.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:56 pmPNAC is still online!
Read it and weep.
-GSD
May 4th, 2007 at 6:57 pmHow about we not give Valient Venus any attention.
I have not seen it done. Lets try.
May 4th, 2007 at 6:59 pmFaiz – I have known many Progressives play “fast and loose†with the truth – but Faiz, you should be sent to “time-out†(isn’t that what Prog parents do to discipline their children?) You implicate Richard Perle in a lie – relaying the story the way you have done so is in itself a lie. There is enough to disagree about without you falsifying a story and twisting it into a pretzel. Shame on you!
Comment by valiant venus — May 4, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
First off, you’re saying nothing here, nothing of substance.
What do you not understand about; But CNN played a clip from 9/16/01 that showed Perle telling the network:
Even if we cannot prove to the standard that we enjoy in our own civil society they are involved, we do know, for example, that Saddam Hussein has ties to Osama bin Laden. That can be documented.
Time for you to enjoy some time out – not that you will.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:00 pmI wonder how many hits the PNAC site gets a day.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:00 pm#28 Comment by garyb50 — May 4, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
just so you know… I have been censored on this comment board.
You personally have not been censored, obviously, cause here you are. So what kind of post did they censor and why did they do it? How do you know it?
May 4th, 2007 at 7:00 pmC’mon folks ingore it.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:04 pmMerlin, I said I would like to meet Perle in a dark alley.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:04 pmShe can go get her rocks off somewhere else, its Friday afterall.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:04 pmNo you haven’t you tried to post something that was filtered by a piece of software. We call it the “Fu*k Filter ™”
May 4th, 2007 at 7:05 pm#45 Comment by ForTruth — May 4, 2007 @ 6:59 pmHow about we not give Valient Venus any attention.
I have not seen it done. Lets try.
But, but, but,… that will take all my fun away. I might have to go to a real gym to hear the music of punching bags being hit.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:05 pm#49 Comment by garyb50 — May 4, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Merlin, I said I would like to meet Perle in a dark alley.
OK, that sounds like a deal. I’ll ignore the trolls here if I can buy a ticket to your censored show. Hmmm… Now I wonder if this post will be censored.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:11 pmhttp://smirkingchimp.com/thread/7254
Great article on “The Timing of Impeachment” at Smirking Chimp. Well worth the read.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:12 pmWe call it the “Fu*k Filter â„¢â€
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Heh.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:12 pmPerle, Prince of Darkness hath spoken. Lets all believe him again. Or Not!
May 4th, 2007 at 7:14 pmPerle is so old that his brain cells are still believing that our media is in the dark ages. I don’t know whether they’re too stupid to realize that their own clips will nullify what they’re saying and kill their credibility or they’re just hoping that no one will locate it?? What a total bunch of idiot imposters.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:14 pm4 Truth – Would you please send your request to the vulgar little Tourette’s patient!!
Merlin – The “boys” at the “West Hollywood All Male Nude Gym” promise you can rant and rave all you want about the “evils” of conservative bloggers!! P.S. They’ve taken your request for Cholorox towelettes to the maintenance staff.
Toooodles…………..
May 4th, 2007 at 7:16 pmCollege student charged with threatening Hillary Clinton
POSTED: 6:55 p.m. EDT, May 4, 2007
• Man accused of planning attack against Democratic presidential candidate
• 19-year-old Louisiana State University being held on $1 million bail
• Clinton scheduled to be in Baton Rouge on Saturday to speak at conference
• Police say student’s room searched; documents found; computer, drugs seized
BATON ROUGE, Louisiana (AP) — A 19-year-old Louisiana State University student was being held Friday on $1 million bail, accused of planning an attack against Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.
Get ready, there will be a wave of nuts who cannot handle losing thier short stint in power.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:18 pmI think he does have duel citizenship with Isreal. He’s manipulating.
Comment by ForTruth — May 4, 2007
If he has duel citizenship, I’ll challenge him with rubber swords at 12 paces.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:18 pmOK, thank you, Spudge_Boy, for the head’s up.
I did not F*CKING know that.
What I thought I was being censored for was my wish to meet FAT F*CK Richard Perle in a dark alley. I prefaced my wish to meet the F*CKING FAT F*CK, Richard Perle in a dark alley for said purposes of discussing various objections I had to his breathing the very oxygen I do also breathe. Purely a philosophical discussion, you see. He’s a bright guy. Right? Carry his own? Me – Him – Dark Alley – Discussion.
Seems fairly simple to me.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:20 pmAgain, all neocon “Straussians” like Pearle or Wolfowitz are liars by definition. Leo Strauss believed that they SHOULD lie. He called it the “noble lie.”
May 4th, 2007 at 7:21 pmPerle is telling the truth, and I give him credit for that (perhaps the only time)
May 4th, 2007 at 7:21 pmI’m sure he doesn’t believe Saddam had anything to do with 9/11.
He and his neo con-carne buddies just wanted to invade Iraq! 9/11 was his free entry ticket!
Thugs and liars. That’s what we’re dealing with, people. A profoundly unamerican philosophy drives these nuts.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:22 pmTonight on PBS:
Bill Moyer’s Journal “Forged Intelligence Documents”
Friday, May 4, 2007 at 9:00 p.m. EDT on PBS.
(Check local listings at http://www.pbs.org/moyers.)
“Italy’s foremost investigative reporter, Carlo Bonini, takes viewers on the trail of forged intelligence documents that the Bush administration used to help make a case for war.”
This ought to be really good.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:22 pmWhat a complete and total lying sack of Cheney.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:24 pmgaryb50 – You go guy!
May 4th, 2007 at 7:25 pmHe gives a bad name even to jewelry.
You know swine before Pearles.
“What a complete and total lying sack of Cheney.
Comment by Ben Dover — May 4, 2007″
Best laugh of the day.
-GSD
May 4th, 2007 at 7:28 pmBluedog… Spot on. Straussian philosophy at its best.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:32 pm#68 Thanks…Glad I could help brighten your afternoon!!! Peace
Everyone needs to remember and memorialize what happened 37 years ago today on a quiet campus in northeast Ohio…in case nobody reminded all of us earlier today.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:33 pmI needed to read the transcript.
As Perle was talking my eyes where drawn to his comb over and I couldn’t hear him talk because my internal dialog was saying to me “this guy thinks I think he has hair” over the top of his voice
May 4th, 2007 at 7:39 pmValianttheVenushater doesn’t give her children “time outs”. What does she do? Perhaps the ‘rod’ and unsparingly?
May 4th, 2007 at 7:39 pmEveryone needs to remember and memorialize what happened 37 years ago today on a quiet campus in northeast Ohio…in case nobody reminded all of us earlier today.
Comment by Ben Dover — May 4, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
Four Dead in Ohio – Niel Young, I’m listening to it now. Thanks for the reminder. Funny how some things fade away (reference to other Niel Young work intended).
May 4th, 2007 at 7:40 pmI didn’t say, ‘It’s a slam dunk, Mr. President.’ I said, ‘You’re a damn drunk, Mr. President.’ Everyone at the meeting misheard me ’cause my hair was on fire.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:41 pmDear me, The Left Behinders will be plotting against Clinton, Obama, and Edwards convinced they are doing God’s Work. These are the same people who deride the erroneous promise of 72 virgins, but nevertheless they have their own exalted place in heaven if they can keep the White House in “Christian” hands.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:43 pmHe’s one of the smelley ones.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:51 pmDon’t tough!
Bad!
Thanks for the Kent State reminder. I still remember shaking with rage when I picked up that Time Magazine with its infamous cover photo. The people who perpetrated and supported that act of unamerican barbarism are running our country today.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:54 pmFOR NEWBIES TO THE THREADS AT TP: WE HAVE NUISANCE ‘TROLLS’ ON THESE THREADS. DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS. THEY ARE NOT WORTH THE TIME IT TAKES TO LEGITIMIZE THEIR DRIVEL. THEY ARE IRRELEVANT AND HAVE NOTHING WORTHWHILE TO ADD TO THE THREADS; RATHER IT IS THEIR MOTIVE TO HIJACK THE DISCUSSIONS ON EVERY THREAD.
May 4th, 2007 at 7:57 pm“I never believed Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11.â€
He may have said it. He may have implied it, but note here he is claiming he didn’t believe it.
Why is it so many people are trying to distance themselves from their earlier comments rallying the American People to go to war?
May 4th, 2007 at 8:01 pmDavid – No, I’m not a “rod-wielding” mom. The discipline procedure that works best on the mini-valiants is reading a “morality” story from the “Book of Virtues” and writing a one page synopsis. I always think discipline should be a learning exercise, don’t you?
Besides if Faiz were sent to time out for twisting the truth, I have a feeling he would spend the time playing – like 90% of the little “time outers” I meet – a real waste of time….
May 4th, 2007 at 8:03 pm#59 Comment by valiant venus — May 4, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
“Merlin – The “boys†at the “West Hollywood All Male Nude Gym†promise you can rant and rave all you want about the “evils†of conservative bloggers!! P.S. They’ve taken your request for Cholorox towelettes to the maintenance staff.”
Hi little troll,
Hey, wanted you to know I got your message about the “comb over” thing. Listen, don’t fret your pretty balding head over it. No one will ever dare to mention it.
You are late! Where have you been? I’ve been waiting here for you to show for ages, wink, wink, nod, nod. My dolup of fun, (get it? tee hee. Like the dolup of glop that keeps your comb over in place. But that will be our little secret, OK?)
Thanks for sharing your personal life about “the “boys†at the “West Hollywood All Male Nude Gym†with us. It is a start.
So that is where the troll locker room is!!! Mystery solved! Have they been using you as a punching bag over there too? It does make sense you know.
BTW!! You never told me how tall the lockers are in your troll locker room. Can’t be very big, you know. I mean, with you trolls being height challenged and all. And can you reach the shelf? That would be important, you know.
Oh, and here is another important question for you. Do you have to sit on phone books to reach your computers? Must be a stretch without some kind of help. C’mon now! Keep sharing! Don’t stop now; break that addiction to secrecy.
Enquiring minds want to know.
May 4th, 2007 at 8:05 pmFaiz – I have known many Progressives play “fast and loose†with the truth – but Faiz, you should be sent to “time-out†(isn’t that what Prog parents do to discipline their children?) You implicate Richard Perle in a lie – relaying the story the way you have done so is in itself a lie. There is enough to disagree about without you falsifying a story and twisting it into a pretzel. Shame on you!
Comment by valiant venus — May 4, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
So neocon parents don’t ever use time outs? They go right to corporal punishment. Obviously some other means of discipline should have been used on you because you’re pretty twisted.
And you calling somebody else a liar is hysterical except that sometimes it seems you believe the lies you spew.
May 4th, 2007 at 8:13 pmWant to know the entire truth…in context?
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com
May 4th, 2007 at 8:14 pmEnquiring minds want to know.
Comment by Merlin — May 4, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
One day your seduction will work, and then what will you do? :D
May 4th, 2007 at 8:16 pmSo neocon parents don’t ever use time outs? They go right to corporal punishment. Obviously some other means of discipline should have been used on you because you’re pretty twisted.
I never used spanking or time outs. I wonder what VV uses on her imaginary kids? Throwing the Barbie in the toy box?
And you calling somebody else a liar is hysterical except that sometimes it seems you believe the lies you spew.
Comment by Shane
Yup, for sure.
May 4th, 2007 at 8:17 pm“The people who perpetrated and supported that act of unamerican barbarism are running our country today.” Comment by Bluedog49
You’re right – most of the enemy sympathizers at Kent State are members of the Democrat or Green Party.
May 4th, 2007 at 8:18 pmHeh.
Comment by Zooey — May 4, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Evening Zooey. I did a bad thing. I responded to viciousvenom before I read “ignore her”. My bad.
Apologies to all.
May 4th, 2007 at 8:19 pmShanette and Zoooette – - See #80 .
May 4th, 2007 at 8:20 pmZooey, are you there?
“No, I’m not a “rod-wielding†mom. The discipline procedure that works best on the mini-valiants is reading a “morality†story from the “Book of Virtues†and writing a one page synopsis. I always think discipline should be a learning exercise, don’t you?”
Did you see this post by validatedvagrant? This is the same thing I did when my daughter was going through the terrible twos. And I kept all the synopses from back then. How ironic. She still trembles when I read the “Book of Virtues”. I must confess that I have been known to use a time out on occasion. I’m so ashamed.
May 4th, 2007 at 8:29 pm#80….. princess valiant……
May 4th, 2007 at 8:29 pmPardon me for butting in, but who is the author of your “Book of Virtues”?
Hate betray my ignorance, but I’ve not heard of it before….
Perle’s right about one thing. In his words, “No terror? No Imperialism by USA” (para).
May 4th, 2007 at 8:31 pmShanette and Zoooette – - See #80 .
So she tells lies when she talks about discipline for Faiz when she accuses him of lying when he wasn’t.
Oh the tangled web she weaves …
May 4th, 2007 at 8:34 pmWhy is it these bastards are now coming forward AFTER the carnage, maiming, torturing, raping, killing, more killing are done?
May 4th, 2007 at 8:36 pmHate betray my ignorance, but I’ve not heard of it before….
Comment by Raven — May 4, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
Big time gambler, Bill Bennett. Gambling is a virtue apparently, and you can be sure vv hangs out at the river boat, smoking cigarettes and chugging cheap vodka and thinking about her imaginary children.
May 4th, 2007 at 8:37 pmShanette and Zoooette – - See #80 .
Comment by valiant venus
No, I don’t think I will, sweetie darling.
May 4th, 2007 at 8:37 pmPardon me for butting in, but who is the author of your “Book of Virtues�
Hate betray my ignorance, but I’ve not heard of it before….
Comment by Raven
Pardon me for answering for VileVenus, but I think he/she means the “Book of Virtues” by William Bennett. You know, the guy with a gambling problem–a great authority on morals! This is about as funny as VileVenus quoting car thief Darrell Issa on morals.
May 4th, 2007 at 8:39 pmI must confess that I have been known to use a time out on occasion. I’m so ashamed.
Comment by Shane
Heh. I’m in and out these days, studying for exams.
Mini-valiants — My lily white ass.
What’s wrong with telling them exactly what they did wrong, why it was wrong, and what will happen to them if they do it again? Amazing! My kids didn’t grow up to be outrageous liars!
May 4th, 2007 at 8:41 pm#93. goehl..
May 4th, 2007 at 8:41 pmI believe they are trying to cover their individual asses and lay blame elsewhere ahead of possible, and certainly warranted, war crimes tribunals.
Key Quote: “And a year from now, I’ll be very surprised if there is not some grand square in Baghdad that is named after President Bush. There is no doubt that, with the exception of a very small number of people close to a vicious regime, the people of Iraq have been liberated and they understand that they’ve been liberated. And it is getting easier every day for Iraqis to express that sense of liberation.†[Perle, 9/22/03]
Riiiight.
May 4th, 2007 at 8:42 pmHey Valiant Venus. I saw a bumper sticker in Dallas today. It read “Why aren’t you in Iraq?” I’ll be getting mine soon ; )…
May 4th, 2007 at 8:45 pmThanks Lora and Shane, sounds like something I’ll know not to bother with next time I browse thru Border’s…
May 4th, 2007 at 8:48 pmWhat kind of car did you see that bumper sticker on, jeff?
May 4th, 2007 at 8:50 pmjeff,
Great resource for progressive bumper stickers, t-shirts, etc….
http://www.northernsun.com/
May 4th, 2007 at 8:51 pmValiant Venus
She services her clients in the back seat of her Plymouth Valiant, hence the name.
May 4th, 2007 at 8:53 pmYou’re welcome, Raven. I am sure there are better ways to spend your time and money.
May 4th, 2007 at 8:58 pmYeah, REI is in the same block…………………;)
May 4th, 2007 at 8:59 pmThere is more strong evidence that Perle was advocating a war against Iraq shortly after 9/11.
Yeah but not as much as is available for him advocating a war against Iraqi before 9/11.
The value of this story is either the 2007 revelation that the US plans to invade Iraq or that Perle is psychiic.
The first has no value and you haven’t even mentioned the second.
The third option is of course that you’re still trying to promote what Tenet says as meaningful in yet another story where the fact that he played a bigger role in deceiving the nation into war is yet again noted.
WTF is your point ? Do you have one ? Do you think this is useful in any way, and if so, what ?
May 4th, 2007 at 9:06 pmfive words…
The Hague. Trial. Conviction. Sentencing.
for all who had a hand in this, including so-called “journalists”
May 4th, 2007 at 9:11 pmI don’t know if someone said this already but of course Pearle never believed that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. No human with a brain would. He just said it to fool the American citizens that have half a brain. Just long enough to think of something else to prolong the “fear”.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:13 pmShe services her clients in the back seat of her Plymouth Valiant, hence the name.
Comment by Chrysler Imperial
Oy, I used to drive a baby blue Valiant. Please don’t think less of me. :)
May 4th, 2007 at 9:16 pmComment by Zooey — May 4, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
Enquiring minds want to know.
Comment by Merlin — May 4, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
One day your seduction will work, and then what will you do? :D
Blech!!! Don’t even talk like that!
May 4th, 2007 at 9:17 pmSo now Valient Venus is gonna tell us about how to parent.
Valient don’t you have some things to answer to about that?
May 4th, 2007 at 9:20 pmMy Uncle Eckbert had one of the first Valiant’s, and he let me drive it around the yard when I was 8….. and he told me not to touch the end of the cigarette lighter after it popped out….
May 4th, 2007 at 9:22 pmDo you think I listened?
Nope.
Had to learn the hard way……….:)
(P.S. I didn’t ever run into anything!)
Why is anyone listening to this asswipe?
May 4th, 2007 at 9:25 pmP.S.S. Uncle Eckbert’s Valiant was turquoise.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:28 pmOne day your seduction will work, and then what will you do? :D
Blech!!! Don’t even talk like that!
Comment by Merlin
You shouldn’t make promises you can’t keep! :D
May 4th, 2007 at 9:29 pmWe need a new thread, TP, it’s Friday night, and I’m feeling right….
May 4th, 2007 at 9:30 pmI was speaking of Perle in my #114. :-)
I am personally a fan of the 60’s vintage Valiant!
May 4th, 2007 at 9:31 pmfive words…
The Hague. Trial. Conviction. Sentencing.
Comment by chris joseph — May 4, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
Five completely random and unrelated words apparently.
You realise that The Hague basically convicts and sentences nobody right ?
That even in the case of genocide, the most serious crime against humanity, and even when they have already determined this occurred, nobody gets convicted and sentenced.
That’s “The Hague” you are referring to.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:32 pmYou may as well invoke the possibility of the easter bunny trying and convicting somebody.
#86 Comment by valiant venus — May 4, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
“The people who perpetrated and supported that act of unamerican barbarism are running our country today.†Comment by Bluedog49
You’re right – most of the enemy sympathizers at Kent State are members of the Democrat or Green Party.
Comment by VV
Listen VV sweetie,
I’ve been trying to help you here. With all these “progs” around here against you, you need to think twice before putting your foot in your mouth like you did here. What’s it gonna take for you to understand that this is why your breath smells so much. And gargling with Lysterine won’t help! This is the kind of smell that just hangs on. Know what I mean? Just tryin to be helpful, you understand.
Tooodles…Don’t ya just love that sign off???
May 4th, 2007 at 9:33 pmWhat am I saying, “feeling right”?, NO! LEFT, I mean, oh well, you know what I mean ………….
May 4th, 2007 at 9:34 pm(where’s whiteyfresh when ya need him….:)
reggae night on KUNM Albuquerque. ya mon!
One day your seduction will work, and then what will you do? :D
Blech!!! Don’t even talk like that!
Comment by Merlin — May 4, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
Talk about a worst case scenario! Are you feeling nauseous Merlin?
May 4th, 2007 at 9:34 pm#119 Patrick……
May 4th, 2007 at 9:36 pmunderstood, everyone has one to wipe………………..;)
I would like to remark about how two of America’s most influencial role-models for little girls have to be institutionalized, due to inability to function adequately in society.
Was is SATAN?
May 4th, 2007 at 9:38 pmtoooodles is such a loaded expression, Merlin, agreed……… LOL
May 4th, 2007 at 9:39 pmsoory, #119, I meant #118………
May 4th, 2007 at 9:41 pmg’ NIGHT ALL, DIALUP..DISCONNECT!
William “Book of Virtuous Vice” Bennett is a vile toad. And making any child learn by his example should be declared a form of abuse.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:41 pm#122 Comment by Shane — May 4, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
One day your seduction will work, and then what will you do? :D
Blech!!! Don’t even talk like that!
Comment by Merlin — May 4, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
Talk about a worst case scenario! Are you feeling nauseous Merlin
Yeah, its a dirty job that’s filled with danger. …But someone has to do it. snark…
May 4th, 2007 at 9:46 pmtoooodles is such a loaded expression, Merlin, agreed……… LOL
Comment by Raven — May 4, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
I think viciousvagrant thinks she’s adorable when she says things like “toodles” don’t you? Just like every time Faiz starts a thread she complains to him about it some imaginary infraction to get his attention. I’m sure she thinks he’s smitten by her brilliance. Poor delusional fool.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:48 pmI have to point out here that technically speaking, Perle might be telling the truth. Perhaps he was simply willing to tell the lie, full well knowing it wasn’t true. That would mean that he’s really not lying right now when he says he never believed it.
In other words… say for example, Donald Rumfeld’s, you go to war on the lies you know you can tell, not on the lies you wish you could tell. There will always be lies we know are lies, and lies we can’t know are lies, and sometimes we will know know which are the lying lies we’re lying about, but sometimes, we’ll just fool ourselves with lies we tell so well, that we’ll have no idea we’re lying at the time.
Or, as George Costanza said so well, “It’s not a lie, if you believe it…”
May 4th, 2007 at 10:03 pmMy lily white ass.
Comment by Zooey
Links, please.
(I know, I know…)
May 4th, 2007 at 10:09 pmWhatever, The goal in Iraq was to remove Saddam from power. (so we were told)
Mission accomplished (see swinging rope)
Can we leave now?
I can I get a refund for the money I gave to Halliburton? (see tax returns 2003-2006)
May 4th, 2007 at 10:09 pmof course Pearle never believed that Saddam was responsible for 9/11. No human with a brain would. He just said it to fool the American citizens that have half a brain.
Comment by dlet — May 4, 2007 @ 9:13 pm
As luck would have it we have polls of who those half-a-brain Americans were:
http://tinyurl.com/mggk
May 4th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
Links, please.
(I know, I know…)
Comment by Juan C
I’d be disappointed if you didn’t keep trying. :)
May 4th, 2007 at 10:15 pmrepublic of stupidity…I have no doubt he is telling the truth. Nobody that had any inside information actually believed Saddam was involved with 9-11.
His truth-telling proves he is a damned liar. He has in effect admitted to helping lie us into a war.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:17 pmA majority of Democrats, Republicans and independents believe it’s likely Saddam was involved.
…
Sixty-three percent said the nation was right in going to war in Iraq and 32% said it was wrong.
Comment by Kilo — May 4, 2007 @ 10:14 pm
NIce effort, but just like dlet said: People without a brain.
I’d be disappointed if you didn’t keep trying. :)
May 4th, 2007 at 10:18 pmComment by Zooey
keep trying what??? hahhaha. It´s not like I do it everyday, Zoo. ;)
Kilo, that was a very old poll. Try something more recent.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:22 pmHis truth-telling proves he is a damned liar. He has in effect admitted to helping lie us into a war.
Comment by JPark
What do we do w/ him? We can’t impeach the SOB. War criminal?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:22 pmComment by Zooey — May 4, 2007 @ 10:15 pm
Once again, a very valid point. Shall we discuss it over dinner? :-)
May 4th, 2007 at 10:24 pmSixty-three percent said the nation was right in going to war in Iraq and 32% said it was wrong.
In a recent poll, an overwhelming majority of lemmings agreed that it was a good idea to keep running in the pack. Of course, the few that decided against it were called Traitors, Liars, and Cowards. Strangley enought, they were the only lemmings left shortly thereafter.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:25 pmLots of lily white asses here up North, Spring’s late this year….
May 4th, 2007 at 10:26 pmComment by UKBristolDave
Hey, what do you think about Liverpool vs Milan?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:26 pmComment by Juan C — May 4, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
Milan all the way mate.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:28 pmOnce again, a very valid point. Shall we discuss it over dinner? :-)
Comment by UKBristolDave
what do you have in mind? Bristol or Milan? :)
May 4th, 2007 at 10:29 pmComment by UKBristolDave
You are a fan of…?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:31 pmYikes, I go to dinner and come back and we’re talking lily white derrierre’s and soccer?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:32 pmAre we thread starved??
Comment by Zooey — May 4, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
I’d suggest Milan hun but it’s wherever you’d have me…
May 4th, 2007 at 10:33 pmComment by Juan C — May 4, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
I’m a fan of Bristol City bud. Tomorrow we could get promoted so it’s a tense evening…
In Europe my head says Milan but my heart says Liverpool. If you’ve ever stood in the Kop then you’ll know why.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:35 pmI’d suggest Milan hun but it’s wherever you’d have me…
Comment by UKBristolDave
Oh my, quite the charmer. I do love good Italian food. What would you recommend?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:35 pmon Wednesday’s I go shopping, an’ have buttered scones with tea…
May 4th, 2007 at 10:36 pmAre we thread starved??
Comment by RUCerious
Famished. Heh.
When will you post your next segment on DKos?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:36 pmWhat do we do w/ him? We can’t impeach the SOB. War criminal?
Unfortunately the guy has plausible deniablity. He really didn’t have any real power so he is not liable for those who took his advice. The scumbag walks. Our only hope is that his conscience bothers him enough for him to put a bullet in his brain but neocons don’t exactly have a surplus of conscience.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:38 pmComment by Zooey — May 4, 2007 @ 10:35 pm
I’d suggest a starter that we can share with a bottle of Chablis to go with it.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:39 pmI know. Simply infuriating, isn’t it? At least w/ some of BushCo, impeachment, conviction, war crimes, etc, are a real possibility. I shudder to think of the karmic payback this country is building up over all of this.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:42 pmon Wednesday’s I go shopping, an’ have buttered scones with tea…
Comment by Raven
How lovely! I’m thinking of going to Milan…. :)
May 4th, 2007 at 10:43 pmI’d suggest a starter that we can share with a bottle of Chablis to go with it.
Comment by UKBristolDave
You don’t know this about me, but I’m a rather cheap drunk. Are you trying to take advantage of me?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:44 pmComment by Zooey — May 4, 2007 @ 10:44 pm
Of course not Zooey. What sort of man do you think I am?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:45 pmOf course not Zooey. What sort of man do you think I am?
Comment by UKBristolDave
Damn. I thought you were the kind of man who would at least try….
May 4th, 2007 at 10:48 pm5. Comment by Bluedog49 — Thank you. I thought all these months that my rants about Strauss fell on deaf ears. Bluedog, whether you read Drury’s writings independent of my rants, because of them I’m happy as hell. Bluedog if your still here, since reading Drury’s book (hopefully books), do you understand what the administration is doing? Do you understand why we invaded Iraq, and more then likely soon to invade Iran? That perpetual war to the NeoCons is the catalyst to subjugation? The “Noble Lie” used in the guise of religion and terrorism by the “Wise”, perpetrated by the “Gentlemen” to make the “Vulgar” the slaves.
I know most of you are scratching your head wondering what the hell I’m talking about…Titor gone crazy? Sorry, this is what the NeoCons taught by Leo Strauss out of the University of Chicago truly believe (I cannot emphasize truly enough). Leo Strauss an Orthodox Jew, born in Germany was a strong believer in Schopenhauer and Nietzsche philosophy. He conscripted into the German Army in WWI, and after the war went to Paris to teach Philosophy. He eventually ended up at the Department of Political Science at the University of Chicago and eventually to Claremont College in California where he published in 1968, Liberalism Ancient and Modern.
Strauss felt that Liberalism was the downfall of the Jews in Germany because they failed to stand up and fight against the Nazi’s prior and during WWII. I and many would argue that it had very little to do with Liberalism and had much more to do with the rampant spread of Nationalism under the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, against Orthodox Jew’s at that time.
Strauss felt that America was in moral decay because of the Liberalism. Not Liberalism that we understand, but instead a view that the average person (you and I) was tainted by thoughts of individualism. That as free-individuals society was destined for failure because there wasn’t a control mechanism to keep it focused on a common goal. Enter the NeoCon movement. Strauss wanted to change society, so he recruited selected individuals and taught them what he didn’t teach in his classes. He taught them that this great society could be achieved through his doctrine. His doctrine was that his disciples “The Wise”, would manipulate society through disinformation, lies, and belligerent agenda to achieve this great society. Strauss believed that religion is one of the perfect tools in manipulating the masses, because through religion the “Gentlemen” would be found. The “Gentlemen” are those people that will take any order and carry it out without question, even if it meant death.
This multi-faceted combination of disinformation, lies, and belligerent agenda (Noble Lie) would be used to quiet (subdue) the “Vulgar” (general population). Once this has been achieved, then the stronger of the vulgar (middle-class) will be divided by issues of economy, religion, and racial beliefs through constant wedge propaganda to keep the middle-class divided.
Then at the final stage a traumatic event, a catalyst that will bring society in focus to usher in this New World agenda. To keep society “in-focus” a belligerent foreign policy and perpetual war is needed to then move to the second phase. The second phase is to militarize the police force, and move to a totalitarian (or should I say a Machiavellian) dictatorship. Basically, the ultimate goal is to have only have a small controlling elite (The Wise), and the rest are basically “have not’s” like you see in third world countries.
All’s I would ask is look what’s happened in the last 7 years, and if you’re really honest with yourself apply it to what I wrote above. We all know deep inside what we’re moving towards. Some call it fascism, and some call serenity. I call it for what it is Straussian and the Neo-Conservative movement. Don’t take my word for it. Please prove me wrong. Do the research.
One last thing for those that have red the books and done the research. There is another aspect and he is called “Hegel” and how it applies to the “new” Neo-Con society. G.W.F. Hegel’s writings regarding the “Owl of Minerva”. “The nineteenth-century idealist philosopher G.W.F. Hegel noted that “the owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with the falling of the dusk” — meaning that philosophy comes to understand a way of life just as it passes away. He had in mind the transition from eighteenth-century feudalism to nineteenth-century commercialism and democracy. An oaken carving of a white owl (species Athena noctua), perched within a darkened niche, waits to take flight over the sociology and law sections.”
“One more word about giving instruction as to what the world ought to be.”
The link below is to “Bohemian Grove” where dignitaries from around the world come two weeks each year for “relaxation”. Jeff Gannon got his start here as one of the male prostitutes that frequent “Bohemian Grove”. Look at the almost satanic ritual and then look whom they are worshiping? Hmmm. It’s big ass Owl.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1358319439993514946
May 4th, 2007 at 10:48 pmThey have spent their lives lying — they don’t know truth — it is too foreign to them.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:49 pmConfronted with the video of themselves speaking their words, they are still in denial. Perhaps at one time I would have thought them pathetic — now I see them as sociopaths, pathological liars, and mentally disturbed.
#150 Mistress Z~
May 4th, 2007 at 10:49 pmTomorrow AM – the hospital stay, the first 8 days.
Mistress Z~
Tomorrow AM – the hospital stay, the first 8 days.
Comment by RUCerious
Thanks, I’ll be looking for it. :)
May 4th, 2007 at 10:52 pmComment by Zooey — May 4, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
Well I might try. Perhaps we should dance?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:52 pm“As sociopaths, pathological liars, and mentally disturbed”…
Ah, yeeaah… that’s pretty much sums it up in one short phrase.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:53 pmOy, I used to drive a baby blue Valiant. Please don’t think less of me. :)
Comment by Zooey — May 4, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
woo hoo!!!
May 4th, 2007 at 10:53 pmyou’ll never guess – so i’ll tell you! … ME TOO!
actually it belonged to my boyfriend… i learned how to drive/shift a
3 speed on the column in that baby blue valiant…
and to this day, i can still detect the sound of older model
dodge/plymouth starters…
…
Marie, I see them standing against a wall with blindfolds on, pissing their pants.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:53 pmBlessings, balance and light is on it’s way for you, RUCerious…
May 4th, 2007 at 10:54 pm(love too)
Well I might try. Perhaps we should dance?
Comment by UKBristolDave
You’ll have to teach me, I’m a total klutz. Will you be patient with me?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:56 pmThanks Raven, pax to you and yours all.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:57 pmi learned how to drive/shift a
3 speed on the column in that baby blue valiant…
and to this day, i can still detect the sound of older model
dodge/plymouth starters…
…
Comment by katy
I lived in the South when I had that thing — great car BTW, but ugly as sin — I used to burn the shit out of my hand every time I shifted gears, so I started driving with a pot holder next to me. Heh.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:59 pmI wish TP would stop censoring. Whatever happened to freedom of dicussion? You let trolls in here that spew shit worse then my dog after eat’n chile.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:05 pmUKBristolDave, good luck tomorrow.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:05 pmUKBristolDave, good luck tomorrow.
Comment by Juan C
With the dancing or the match? :P
May 4th, 2007 at 11:07 pmJT, TP censors all the bad words. They are like Hollywood…Violence is just fine (just read any troll comment) but as soon as something is “vulgar” it gets kicked. That said, the Brewers won (Sorry, Mets fans, this isn’t your year). So I am happy.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:10 pmI just read the title…then spit beer all over my LCD and keyboard. Thanks.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:17 pmJTitor ~ great visual on your pooch and his excreta… Whew!
May 4th, 2007 at 11:17 pmAs did I. So nice effort at what ?
He said people without a brain believed the same Saddam was linked to the same al Qaeda back then.
I’m just pointing out that those are the numbers and it was a majority of all Americans of all political persuasians.
Why ? It was an old poll for a reason.
It was a poll of the majority of Americans — far more than just Republicans — who supported the invasion of Iraq at the time of the invasion.
You find me a news story about the invention of a time machine and I’ll start caring about 2007 poll results for the same question.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:22 pmOh, ok, Kilo, so you don’t care what people think now after more information has come out?
May 4th, 2007 at 11:26 pmZooey. Ah, so sad. Giving it up for a cheap bottle of white wine and a couple of Michael Bolton tunes.
Here in Portland, we could have at least started with some Côtes du Rhône and a little Bach. Or Richard Thompson and a glass of Ardbeg.
Sad, but I suppose anything is better than potato skins and Coors.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:26 pmOh, god. Michael Bolton. I am feeling ill.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:28 pmLet’s see…Milwaukee. MGD and a sausage fest :)
May 4th, 2007 at 11:40 pmSad, but I suppose anything is better than potato skins and Coors.
Comment by gummitch
It’s in Milan, for heaven’s sake!
I’m pretty sure UKDave knows Michael Bolton would be the kiss of death…. :D
May 4th, 2007 at 11:43 pmIt was a poll of the majority of Americans — far more than just Republicans — who supported the invasion of Iraq at the time of the invasion.
Comment by Kilo — May 4, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
They were lied to by your precious leader Bush, idiot.
May 5th, 2007 at 12:06 amHey Kilo, how about coming here on November 5, 2008 to discuss the only poll that matters?
May 5th, 2007 at 12:09 amNo one with any sense believes anything this fellow says anymore. He has been wrong too many time.
May 5th, 2007 at 12:14 amZoo. Heh. ;)
May 5th, 2007 at 12:14 amPerle is Neocon gutter trash, so ignore the criminal liar.
May 5th, 2007 at 12:22 amHere’s a fat basta*d who should be sentenced to Abu Ghraib…
…and they’re “interviewing” him on CNN…
…allowing him to spew his revisionist Bushit…
…I guess there really ARE times when…
…public executions can be entertaining…
…but make ‘em PAY US…
…first…
May 5th, 2007 at 12:31 amWhat Perle is actually trying to say is that he supported the invasion and occupation of Iraq knowing fully well that the so-called links between that country and 9/11 were a complete fabrication.
In other words, he didn’t mind perpetuating that notion -and wasn’t bothered when others repeated the lie- as long as it got him what he wanted.
And the rats keep leaving the sinking ship. It’s almost fun to watch.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:20 amGregor, that is exactly what I was saying. You said it so much better.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:25 amOne word:
Mossad.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:26 amComment by JPark — May 5, 2007 @ 1:25 am
Thanks JPark, you actually made me scroll up in the comments to find your post. And, yes, it is what you were saying.
Also, interesting that the Perle quotes picked by ThinkProgress do not even mention 9/11. All Perle is saying is that Iraq should be invaded; the tacit implication is that 9/11 is merely incidental.
I thought it was odd at the time that the warmongers wouldn’t come out and say that there was indeed a connection between Hussein, AlQaeda, and 9/11. All they did was insinuate it.
In my opinion, there is really no other way to read their statements: They knew Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, but were very comfortable peddling the story.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:42 amWell no, but that’s another matter entirely.
I was quoting a guy talking about how Niger intel was debunked before the invasion. Either that’s wrong or the support was for a different reason.
What do you think this quote in the TP article above is talking about ? Who’s needs do you think he is talking about satisfying ?
Over the telephone on Sept. 17, Perle told this column that there were few good targets in Afghanistan but many in Iraq.
No, he’d be your 2-term elected leader, not mine.
Sorry, you need to make bookings with me 2 years in advance. 18 months isn’t anywhere near enough notice.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:55 amThe little boy who told too many lies.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:15 amLiar, Liar, pants on fire! Perle has told so many lies and now he expects us to believe him. I DON”T THINK SO!
May 5th, 2007 at 11:04 amThis man has no shame. Why didn’t King call his motherfucker out on his bullshit?
May 5th, 2007 at 11:36 amThey all lie!
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
“We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction.”
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998
“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
May 5th, 2007 at 1:47 pm- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
orry, you need to make bookings with me 2 years in advance. 18 months isn’t anywhere near enough notice.
Comment by Kilo
18 months – does that mean your prison sentence won’t be over yet?
May 5th, 2007 at 4:41 pm#90 – #80….. princess valiant……
Pardon me for butting in, but who is the author of your “Book of Virtues�
Hate betray my ignorance, but I’ve not heard of it before….
Comment by Raven
Bill Bennett, former Secretary of Education and recovering gambling addict compiled the book to help teach about different virtues – he did not write it. I find it sadly telling the hypocrites who slam Bennett for his gambling addiction have all the forgiveness and patience in the world for those who physically abuse their children – or murder the children of others. But of curse, I’ve never met perfect people – not even perfect Progs.
This book helps illustrate honesty, perserverance, courage, faith etc.
May 5th, 2007 at 5:41 pmI was very fortunate to have a wise father who back in the 1940’s coached me to “Always Consider The Source” and to “Never Get In A Pissin Contest With A Skunk”… What we have here is one (zionist) skunk interviewing another… and neither thinks they don’t smell…
May 5th, 2007 at 5:48 pm# 5 – BluePUP – I am not a Straussian but I have found that those who criticize Strauss and stupidly compare him to Nazis) dislike his criticism of liberal hedonism……so many of my hedonist friends here at TP take that criticism personally, as good Progs do.
May 5th, 2007 at 5:51 pmI’m kinda flattered to be honored with a “noble lie”. Imagine if we lived in a country that did not have a noble purpose in their lying to us. For example, if we were told in elementary school to die in the name of allah so that we may become martyrs who inspire future generations to do the same. The real noble lie is religion itself, namely that of the ancient Greeks, for Leo took the idea from Plato’s Politeia.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:43 pmBill Bennett, former Secretary of Education and recovering gambling addict compiled the book to help teach about different virtues – he did not write it. I find it sadly telling the hypocrites who slam Bennett for his gambling addiction have all the forgiveness and patience in the world for those who physically abuse their children – or murder the children of others…..
so many of my hedonist friends here at TP take that criticism personally, as good Progs do.
Comments by Vile Venus
The “Book of Virtues” was published in 1993; it became known in 2003, that Bennett had lost millions in gambling. You’re only a decade off, Mighty Hypocrite. BTW, I don’t know any prog/liberal who has all the” forgiveness and patience in the world for those who physically abuse their children – or murder the children of others.” You’re way off on that one, too .
May 5th, 2007 at 8:02 pmI can’t speak for the others here, but I am definitely not a hedonist, either. Too bad your mythical generalizations are just that–a myth, a lie. Maybe you should ask your good friends like Tobias, Rev. Ted, Mark Foley, Swaggert, and Jim Bakker about hedonism.
We are not being told the truth regarding the evidence of September 11th by our government in the U.S.. I would hope you would investigate some of the innacurate claims of the 9/11 commision report for yourself.
I have been researching 9/11 for over four years and there are serious unanswered questions from that day. Although, most in the mainstream media and lots of others call anyone that questions the official story a nut job, crazy or unpatriotic I appreciate that you would involve yourself in this delicate subject. People are attacked for proposing alternative theories without discussing the subject matter of what the person is proposing. see ad hominem logical arguement.
There are many important unanswered questions from 9/11, I will propose 5. I hope you investigate these for yourself.
1) Never in the history of steel structures has a building collapsed from fire yet 3 did on 9/11; WTC tower 1,2 & 7. all three buildings came down at free fall speed with no resistance, tower 7 was never hit by an airplane yet came down symetrically in seven seconds? Additionally odd, tower 2 fell before tower 1 although tower 1 was hit first and tower 2 was hit with a glancing blow. The explosion/ collapse in tower 2 started above where the plane hit the tower? Jet fuel burns at only about 1500 Degrees Fahrenheit in the open air and structural steel does not melt or even get significantly weakened until more than a thousand degrees hotter with a melting point of near 3300 degrees F.
2) There is no large plane wreckage in front of the Pentagon from the 757 that hit it. Taking from the official story, the 757 that hit the pentagon flew over a highway, parallel and 15 to 20 feet above the ground and impacted the pentagon between the 1st and 2nd floor. (official story) The airplane did not leave any markings or large debris (ex wings) on the front of the pentagon. the 757 suppossedly was sucked into a 16ft by 24ft hole, before the ceiling collapsed a 1/2 hour later, and incinerated. how did this plane hit only 15 ft above the ground after descending so rapidly without ever hitting the ground and flown by an amateur pilot? The 3 slides the pentagon released to the public shows a small shaped device flying horizontally, very low to the ground and leaving a small smoke trail. Just recently Pilots for 9/11 Truth, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) in regards to the flight data recovered from Flight 77. The data provided by the NTSB contradicts the flight path given by the 9/11 commissio report. The flight data that the NTSB provided shows the 757 that hit the pentagon at 300 feet above the highway and could not of clipped the light poles and subsequently struck the pentagon between the first and second floor. Please see the article here- http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_24288.shtml . How come the Pentagon has not released video from the cameras mounted on the roof? lastly, after travelling through three rings of the Pentagon, the plane or whatever it was left a small circular exit hole in the third ring.
3. All four hijacked planes flew for an average of 40 minutes, 1 hour 50 minutes total, without any fighter jet intercept over NY and Washington. As you are aware, NY and Washington are some of the most protected airspace in the world.
4. Where is the plane wreckage from the plane crash in Shanksville, PA? in pictures and video all you see is a small ditch with no fires, plane debris, seats, bodies, etc.?
5. How was the Patriot Act and the War on Terror so quickly developed after 9/11? Was this new program a reaction to 9/11 or something that was worked on before September 11th and just conveniently ready for a terrorist attack?
9/11 was an inside job, a false flag operation. Sadly, the sophistication of this operation points more towards state sponsored terrorism than a small group of bandits inside a cave. I continue to hear government and military officials saying we are fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq and globally. Does this mean as the lone superpower we suppossedly were attacked by this rag tag group on September 11th and have been fighting them for the last 6 years without ‘mission accomplished’? How often have our leaders evoked the memory of 9/11 to rally our people for certain causes (i.e. Iraq)?
fight on in peace. I hope you decide to investigate the truth of 9/11 for yourself.
Namaste
Shawn Cooper
PS For a summary and the best documentary of 9/11 I recommend watching Loose Change 2. You can watch it for free here-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=loose+change+2&hl=en
or visit http://www.wtc7.net or http://www.st911.org and start your own research…
Lastly, alot of the public does not know that Rosie O’Donnell and Charlie Sheen are not the only ones questionning the official story of 9/11. Hundreds of scholars, public representatives, high ranking officials and survivors are questionning it as well. please see http://www.patriotsquestion911.com for more on this.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:39 pmValiant sweetie,
Have you no pride in your work? In a job well done? You are certainly not impressing me with all this shoddy work. Now I don’t mean to complain, so don’t take me wrong here, I’m just trying to help. I just hate to see you do this to yourself, yet here you go again putting your foot in your mouth again. Don’t you believe me when I say the Listerine won’t help the bad breath from that exercise? Sigh…
You do want to do it right, don’t you? Well then, listen to Lora! We are really trying to be helpful here. Like pointing out the errors in your posts. If you went elsewhere and said stuff like this you would be laughed at worse than you are about your comb over. For instance, you can be off a little once in a while but, 10 years! Good grief, this simply shows all the “progs” here that you are blowing smoke. You know, using the “cliff notes” of what ever subject you bring up. Now, I’m not knocking Cliff Notes, mind you, but you could at least be sure your handlers at the troll locker room keep you up to snuff on issues. Using those cheap knockoffs that were hastily put together without any proof reading just to save money is not the best course. If you must use Cliff Notes, at least get the real thing. Sheesh, don’t be so cheep.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:48 pmthe “noble lie”. That, folks, among other things, is why we refer to the sh*t-sack, lying, war-mongering, chickenhawk, neocon SCUM, as _lying_ NeoCon SCUM.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:10 pmWe were talking about the invasion supported by a majority of all political parties. That won’t be over by then.
What you’ve created there won’t end in 18 years either. So keep that smug shit up pal.
Who knows, maybe voting out people other than the Joint Chiefs, torture happy troops and CIA will somehow change the world’s opinion of the American population who made Bush a 2 term president and cheered on the invasion of Iraq.
Either way it’s going to be a long wait for you to find out that distinctions between liberals and conservatives ends at your borders.
May 6th, 2007 at 9:13 amtreasonous neo-cons need to locked up and their puppets impeached
May 6th, 2007 at 9:16 amWell, maybe he never said Iraq was involved in 9/11 but the guy had a obsession of getting rid of Saddam.
From PNAC a few letters signed by Perle:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Bushletter.htm
May 7th, 2007 at 4:02 pmhttp://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqletter1998.htm