ThinkFast: May 4, 2007
ThinkFast: May 4, 2007
“Deputy chief of staff Karl Rove participated in a hastily called meeting at the White House two months ago” to coach a top Justice Department official on what he should say to Congress about the prosecutorial purge. Investigators are suggesting that Rove’s attendance at the meeting shows that he may have been involved in an attempt to mislead Congress.
Michael Elston, the chief of staff to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty, made calls to the purged U.S. attorneys telling them to keep quiet about their dismissals. Elston recently told congressional investigators that those calls were placed at McNulty’s direction after he learned the prosecutors might testify before Congress about their dismissals.
At last night’s debate, three Republican presidential candidates — Sen. Sam Brownback, Rep. Tom Tancredo, and Gov. Mike Huckabee — said they do not believe in evolution.
Attacks in Iraq involving lethal armor-piercing weapons known as explosively formed projectiles hit a record high last month. “The number of attacks with the projectiles rose to 65 in April, said Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno.”
“World Bank directors put the finishing touches on their report into the pay raise for Paul Wolfowitz’s companion as the agency’s president blamed ‘ambiguous rules‘ for his involvement in her promotion.”
Sens. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) and Robert Byrd (D-WV) announced they will propose legislation that would set an expiration date for the original Iraq war authorization on Oct. 11, 2007, the fifth anniversary of the Iraq resolution vote.
President Bush told congressional leaders that he would veto any legislation that weakened federal policies or laws on abortion. “In a two-page letter sent to the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, and the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, Mr. Bush said his veto threat would apply to any measures that ‘allow taxpayer dollars to be used for the destruction of human life.’”
Washington Post columnist E.J. Dionne heralds the Center for American Progress’s anti-poverty report issued last week. “The report deserves more attention than it has gotten,” he writes, “not because it breaks new ground but precisely because it brings together some of the most pragmatic ideas on poverty reduction.” Read highlights or the entire report.
Iran’s foreign minister walked out of a dinner of diplomats where he was seated directly across from U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, complaining that the female violinist was dressed too revealingly. “I dont know which woman he was afraid of, the woman in the red dress or the secretary of state,” State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.
And finally: “A high school student got a little taste of what it’s like to be Michigan’s governor — and didn’t find it too appealing.” After receiving a cell phone number that once belonged to Gov. Jennifer Granholm, Katie Kamar started getting about six calls a day for Granholm. “This experience hasn’t given me any political aspirations,” she said. Granholm called Kamar to apologize for the calls she was receiving and “thanked her because she heard how courteous the young woman was on the phone.”
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A MUST WATCH TO UNDERSTAND WHAT BUSH IS UP TO only last 1 minutes and leaves you so informed
http://www.handsoffiraqioil.org/
May 4th, 2007 at 9:06 amMichael Ware, CNNs boots-on-the-ground reporter in Iraq speaking to Anderson Coooper, comments on how ridiculous it is to expect Mailiki’s government to EVER achieve ANY “Benchmark”…
COOPER: Well, Michael Ware, let’s talk about those benchmarks… The benchmarks, I guess, are to pressure Maliki. Has pressure worked on him in the past?
WARE: No, never. This is such an old scenario, Anderson. I mean, this word benchmark has been used over and over and over. And no matter what conditions have been set for Maliki to meet, he’s never once lived up to them. So, now Washington is trying to up the ante, increase the pressure upon him in what most likely will be the vain hope that he will deliver.
COOPER: Is this notion of a unified democracy of Sunni and Shia, is there any real support for it within the Iraqi government?
WARE: No, no, none that I have seen, Anderson. And I have dealt a lot with all of the important factions within the Iraqi government. It’s simply in no one’s interest whatsoever to pursue a true reconciliation.
…The truth is, we keep putting forth key benchmarks for the Iraqis — on Iraqi troops, on oil revenue sharing, on reversing De-Baathification, on amending Iraq’s new constitution — and they keep failing to meet them. Time after time after time.
from huffingtonpost dot com
May 4th, 2007 at 9:07 amIf your really wondering why the democrats want to end the war watch this clip , there waiting to jump in after the civil war
Oil law animation – press play
A MUST WATCH TO UNDERSTAND WHAT BUSH IS UP TO only last 1 minutes and leaves you so informed
http://www.handsoffiraqioil.org/
May 4th, 2007 at 9:08 amThat evolution blurb was extremely disturbing. It made me wonder whether Bush has ever said that he believes in evolution.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:09 amWell, anyone looking at the GOP can see evolution is a hoax. Clearly this is devolution at work. Survival of the Witless.
Hmmm. Those explosively formed projectiles come from Iran? Why not from the stockpiles of weapons left unsecured by the invading coalition and subsequently looted by the locals in 2003? Seems like another lame attempt to find a reason to attack Iran. Saddam had a huge stockpile of conventional weapons, most of which went missing when Iraq fell. What can you do? Stuff happens.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:11 amBush has gone on record as saying he has an open mind on evolution. He said, “The jury’s still out.”
May 4th, 2007 at 9:13 amThe next war is in Kurdistan
http://www.kurdistancorporation.com/index.htm
“If you’re a U.S. company and you are thinking about an Iraq strategy, think about the Kurdistan region as a possible gateway for Iraq, because the security situation is in hand there. You do have broad latitude for business decision-making. It is easier to expand, build and hire and so forth, and it can be a reasonable platform for serving the rest of Iraq”
Frank Lavin
US Commerce Department Undersecretary
Violence in Iraq’s Kurdish north
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/violence+in+iraqs+kurdish+north+/494462
NOW press watch the report
May 4th, 2007 at 9:13 amMr. Bush said his veto threat would apply to any measures that ‘allow taxpayer dollars to be used for the destruction of human life.’
Bush added, “unless there is some country that poses no threat to the United States. In that case, civilians, children, the elderly . . . you name it. We will bomb those people without blinking, and the U.S. taxpayers will pay for it . . . but not wealthy taxpayers, they will actually get some of the money from middle-income Americans. So, don’t try to pass your laws that protect a mother’s life . . . not in MY house.”
May 4th, 2007 at 9:16 amSomething tells me he didn’t mean to include a ban on the death penalty when he wrote this.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:18 amif nothing else Rove’s legacy will be to provide the acronym: R O V E: Republican Operative w/ Vile Ethics – when will the limp wristed dems actually use the suepoena power they voted on – Chimp Man is at 28% and their are still cowed by Rovesfeld, unbelievable
May 4th, 2007 at 9:18 amHere’s what I don’t understand about those “explosively formed projectiles”.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:20 amBefore the war, we were supposed to believe that Iraq was so advanced with weoponry that they could machine aluminum tubes into centrifuges for making nuclear weopons.
But now we are supposed to believe that Iraq is so backwards that they cannot machine rudimentary end caps for bombs, so they conveniently must be imported from Iran.
I worked in a machine shop. All you need is one stinking Bridgeport machine and you can mill anything you want.
#3: Tobey Tall, that was an excellent clip.! It was concise and really clarified what’s going on. People should post that address all over the MSM comments sections.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:20 amMr. Bush said his veto threat would apply to any measures that ‘allow taxpayer dollars to be used for the destruction of human life.’â€
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA Bush defending human life, yah right. Another stupid family-values-Christian lie.
Mr Bush how many murdered Iraqi children are on your hands?
How many American children go to bed every night without a good dinner?
May 4th, 2007 at 9:21 am” three Republican presidential candidates — Sen. Sam Brownback, Rep. Tom Tancredo, and Gov. Mike Huckabee — said they do not believe in evolution.”
No surprise, since they have not evolved.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:23 amRove’s attendance at the meeting shows that he may have been involved in an attempt to mislead Congress.
Ya think?
May 4th, 2007 at 9:25 am12/ midwestblue
thank you and yes they should post it everywhere i have been today posting , newspapers , micheal moore, craig murray , antiwar ….
even if TP had the guts to put it on the top of a new thread would show some guts and an amazing view point ……. I would be glad to hear from trolls on it
May 4th, 2007 at 9:26 amRepubs love babies while they are still in the womb. But once those babies are born to poor mothers, they can starve to death without healthcare as far as the Repubs are concerned.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:26 amRead The Crusaders. Yes, the Defense Dept has been taken over by a Christian Taliban. And they’re taking us into a holy war against the Devil.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:29 amCaption of Rove image:
“Hmmmm, what section of the American people can I screw over now?”
May 4th, 2007 at 9:31 amI wonder how Iran’s foreign minister would react if he saw how a typical Ameriskank dresses these days. Maybe Ameriskanks could explain to him what the trampstamp, tattoos, piercings, multiple abortions, and STDs caused by “empowerment” mean.
He’d probably think to himself “Sayyid Qutb must be rolling in his grave!”
May 4th, 2007 at 9:31 amIraqi lawmakers demand U.S. withdrawal
BAGHDAD, May 2 (UPI) — As calls in the U.S. Congress grow for a scheduled troop withdrawal from Iraq, similar demands are escalating in Iraq’s National Assembly.
Some 133 Iraqi lawmakers from different political blocs, calling themselves the “free deputies,” signed a document demanding a scheduled withdrawal of the U.S.-led multinational troops from their country, according to the Sadrist bloc in Parliament.
A legislator from the Sadrist bloc, Saleh al-Okaili, told reporters Wednesday that his group initiated the document ahead of a U.N. Security Council review on Iraq slated for next month. The Sadrist bloc, whose Cabinet ministers had resigned, represents members of a group led by Shiite maverick leader Moqtada Sadr, who has been calling for setting a timetable to end the U.S.-British occupation of Iraq.
Okaili said the memo signed by the lawmakers in the 275-seat Parliament would be handed over to the U.N. Security Council and its secretary-general, the Organization of Islamic Conference and the Iraqi government.
“We call on the Iraqi government to refer to Parliament when discussing a review of the foreign presence in Iraq and not to deal unilaterally with the issue, as has been the case in the past,” the lawmaker said.
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May 4th, 2007 at 9:31 amI agree that the evolution bit is the most disturbing. Just like with global warming, these people dismiss established scientific belief because it doesn’t jive with what they want or what their religious beliefs are. It’s simply stupid. Don’t we live in an advanced scientific society where are children are taught to think critically and scientifically?
May 4th, 2007 at 9:33 am“Investigators are suggesting that Rove’s attendance at the meeting shows that he may have been involved in an attempt to mislead Congress.”
A investigation of rove would be the best place to start uncovering all of the corruption of the bush syndicate since he’s had his filthy hands in all of it. While the rest of the admin goons have had supporting roles, involved in one crime or another, karl is the headliner. And he’d flip on his mother if it meant saving his own ass.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:37 am16/Tobey Tall–I just posted it in the comments section at WaPo. I think the Democrats should call up the CEO’s of Big Oil and put them under oath. If we delve into Big Oil’s attempt to privatize Iraqi Oil, we get to the bottom of this administration’s reasons for the Occupation of Iraq and the possible war with Iran. Subpoena Big Oil CEO’s!
May 4th, 2007 at 9:43 amMr. Bush said his veto threat would apply to any measures that ‘allow taxpayer dollars to be used for the destruction of human life.’â€
Hypocrisy personified here. Stem Cells can SAVE lives, you dolt!
Your self serving sanctimonious sermons should suffice to make the rest of the planet see you for what you are; a spoiled, soiled son of a bitch.
Impeach him! NOW!
May 4th, 2007 at 9:50 amMISLEAD MY ASS! THEY ARE CALLED LIES!
LIES
LIES
NOT MISLED
LIES
THEY ARE LIARS!
May 4th, 2007 at 9:51 amI’ll bet that all of the repub candidates would have raised their hands if asked if they talk to invisible beings that live up in the air. I’ll bet that some would have even said that these invisible beings talk back to them.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:53 amI find it incredulous that anyone running for the office of president would state that he doesn’t believe in evolution.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:54 amAdvertising that you are intellectually retarded is a certain path toward obscurity.
Were such a moron to somehow become president of the US, not only would we continue to be the most hated nation in the world, but we would also be the laughingstock.
RE: the evolution question, would someon please ask Brownback, Tancredo and Huckabee if they take prescription medicines or have ever undergone surgery. Do they not believe in medicine that is derived from science underpinned by the theory of evolution? Would they deny themselves medicines or medical procedures that were based on research grounded in evolution?
SHEESH! Merely uttering that they don’t believe in evolution should disqualify them immediately from serving as president. We’ve had enough “faith based” government.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:56 amSHEESH! Merely uttering that they don’t believe in evolution should disqualify them immediately from serving as president. We’ve had enough “faith based†government.
Comment by SickofTheGOPLies — May 4, 2007 @ 9:56 am
A-FRICKEN-MEN… Get GAWD out of office!
May 4th, 2007 at 9:59 amIran’s foreign minister walked out of a dinner of diplomats where he was seated directly across from U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, complaining that the female violinist was dressed too revealingly. “I dont know which woman he was afraid of, the woman in the red dress or the secretary of state,†State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.
WTH is wrong with conservatives? Do they feel guilty while having sex? What about women scares them? Are they afraid they may accidentally be driven to rape them? Sounds like a mental disorder to me.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:01 amNo to evolution Tancreepo,Brownback,and Huckabee?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:01 amThen how do you explain The Flinstones and Barney?
Advertising that you are intellectually retarded is a certain path toward obscurity.
Marie, have you been sleeping for the past six years or are your comments meant to be ironic?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:02 amsaid they do not believe in evolution.
First of all, a scientific fact is a fact whether you believe in it or not. LIke Climate Change Effects.
Second, how do these folks breed?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:03 amDon’t we live in an advanced scientific society where are children are taught to think critically and scientifically?
Comment by Vinnie — May 4, 2007 @ 9:33 am
No. People like dogmas. They justify any henious thing you are about to do.
Examples:
1) Cho
May 4th, 2007 at 10:07 am2) Bush
3) Jihadists
Karl Rove involved to mislead congress? Cows will fly from Bush’s butt before Rove would evev mislead congress and the American people. OF COURSE HE MISLEAD CONGRESS. IMPEACH ALREADY!
May 4th, 2007 at 10:09 am#34 – Juan, they breed like flies. Ever see the movie “Idiocracy�
May 4th, 2007 at 10:12 amImpeach and jail these pricks already.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:12 amRepubs love babies while they are still in the womb. But once those babies are born to poor mothers, they can starve to death without healthcare as far as the Repubs are concerned
Comment by OxyCon — May 4, 2007 @ 9:26 am
Or, perhaps, the parents could take responsibility for the child that they created. Oh sorry, that personal responsibility thing again. Can’t have that now can we.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:13 amI call my dog Rover.
When I call Rover, he usually doesn’t answer, but someone takes the call for him.
Rover likes his Blackberry, too. When he receives a message, he immediately deletes it. Can’t be too careful, you know.
Rover doesn’t like to go for walks, but likes riding in Limousines. Sometimes, he just sticks his head out of the window and drools.
Some of my friends are afraid of Rover. They say he might bite them. I tell them not to worry, his bark is much worse than his bite. One time a kid said Rover had bit him, but Rover told me that just wasn’t true. I always believe Rover first.
Rover is potty trained. He doesn’t like to poop outside where people might see him, so he has a special place in the house to go poo poo.
He saves it for his best friend, a bulldog named Cheney. You should see them together! They have so much fun, with Rover offering shit to Cheney while Cheney eats it. That darn Cheney, what a dog!
I think Rover is the smartest dog in the world. Sometimes, when I put music on, he even tries to dance! He’s not very good, but how many lapdogs have you seen dance?
Next fall, Cheney is going to take Rover hunting. Rover can’t wait. He’s heard that Cheney is an excellent shot…
May 4th, 2007 at 10:13 amGood Post’s all…Thank’s for the link’s Toby, all I can say is Wow!, knew a lot of it but not all…Yep!, Marie….right again…
TP. could you put up another picture please.? Looking at the face of this evil scum first thing in the morning is like looking at a limbaugh….I’de sooner see the back side of a dirty elephant (no offence to elephant’s.)..
BTW I still have not recieved and answer to a question I posed some time ago…..How the hell does an adviser to a president get so much power.? When in our past has another advisor been able to hire, fire, sit in on all kind’s of top secret meeting’s and make policy decesion’s that were performed by elected official’s?…It is my understand the rove isn’t even a college graduate and the only thing he know’s how to do is create more evil….Having read his bio’s he comes from wreck and ruin..A mother that comitted suicide and a family of total disfunction…What’s up with this.? I don’t think the 22% voted for someone like him and cheney to run our government….After all they did a lot of name calling of their base the extreme reich winged fundamentalests christians, diden’t they.?……..Damn this guy is as ugly as he is evil..Blessings all..Gonna go and hug a bunch of trees and sooth my eye’s..
May 4th, 2007 at 10:16 amI really admire the Republicans for debating on MSNBC – a very left leaning organization. It shows they have the courage of their conviction to stand up to those who don’t agree with them. On the other hand, Democrats cower in fear at the thought of debating in unfriendly territory such as Fox News. Why are they such cowards?
AND now Democrats are attacking David Broder because Broder, like a majority of Americans, disapproves of Harry Reid’s job as senate leader. This gives ammo to the charge that if Democrats get in power, they will shut down the media and opposition. Hitler would be proud.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:16 am#42 – you are evil. You have routinely attacked those who oppose your viewpoints. You are a disgusting person who should be forced to live in the hateful regimes you routinely defend.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:19 amOr, perhaps, the parents could take responsibility for the child that they created. Oh sorry, that personal responsibility thing again. Can’t have that now can we.
Comment by upright left — May 4, 2007 @ 10:13 am
Listen idiot, worry about your own life, and quit putting your “beliefs” into other peoples lives.
Now that’s RESPONSIBILITY..
May 4th, 2007 at 10:19 amI have to admit, it would be wrongful and hypocritical to terminate Wolfowitz. He presented, with his attorney, a strong rebuttal.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:19 am> Mr. Bush said his veto threat would apply to any measures that ‘allow
> taxpayer dollars to be used for the destruction of human life.’â€
come on guys… this guy means what he says…its just that his definition of human = “white american”. after all , he gets mad at those tricky gays for trying to redefine things, why shouldnt he be allowed to be the “redefinator” as well?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:19 amNo end to the Bush Regime insanity and corruption. The Congress seems to be spineless to do anything about it.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:20 amComment by thehaitiman — May 4, 2007 @ 10:02 am
Was my attempt at irony lame?
Or should I hope that Bush does not disappear into obscurity, but remain as a prominent example of Intelluctual retardation never to be repeated again?
Regardless, that anyone else would even utter such ignorant comments is beyond understanding. Sort of like Gonzo preferring to be a lamebrained idiot, these morons prefer to pander to the un-thinking among us.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:20 amPresident Bush told congressional leaders that he would veto any legislation that weakened federal policies or laws on abortion. “In a two-page letter sent to the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, and the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, Mr. Bush said his veto threat would apply to any measures that ‘allow taxpayer dollars to be used for the destruction of human life.’â€
Well. I guess this means he’ll refuse to accept any money for the Iraq occupation and bring our troops home. Total hypocrite.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:21 amThe last attack allegedly “against talibans” made by the USA in Afghanistan produced a lot of civilian victims, including women and children. Watch the pictures of a school shooted down. Reported by reporters Texto: Marc Marginedas. and Sergio Caro (photographer).
http://elperiodico.com/blogs/blogs/diarioafganistan/archive/2007/05/03/cad-veres-de-mujeres-y-ni-os.aspx
It’s in Spanish, but can be translated with this web translator (altough not very accurately):
http://world.altavista.com/
May 4th, 2007 at 10:21 amRE: posts # 42 and 43… Pretty early in the morning to have such a rapid attack of schitzophrenia, Center Right, did you get up on the wrong side of the bed, or the left side?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:22 amOil law animation – press play
A MUST WATCH TO UNDERSTAND WHAT BUSH IS UP TO only lasts 1 minutes and leaves you so informed
http://www.handsoffiraqioil.org/
May 4th, 2007 at 10:23 amAnd if the Dems get there way and we *do* leave Iraq, things like this is what Iraqi children can look forward to.
Still want to leave the Iraqi’s in the hands of the people who are behind this?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:25 amthanks, Tobey… says it all.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:25 amI really appreciate Hightower.
>I have to admit, it would be wrongful and hypocritical to terminate >Wolfowitz. He presented, with his attorney, a strong rebuttal.
No it wouldnt and no he didn’t. Hipocritical? The dude violated bank rules by manipulating a pay raise for his little sperm dumpster and likely spy, and the report is going to soon show that. He and his lawyer are whining like the little b1tches most of these armchair warriors are…complaining of “Unnamed people, leaking of information, ” ,,, oh poor baby…unamed people and leaked information apparently is good enough to go to take a country to war but not a high enough burden of proof to fire someone?
I love to listen to these little straussian/trotskyite(??) pussies whine and complain when they get even a small dose of his own medicine
May 4th, 2007 at 10:28 amListen idiot, worry about your own life, and quit putting your “beliefs†into other peoples lives.
Now that’s RESPONSIBILITY..
Comment by Can-O-Whoop-Ass — May 4, 2007 @ 10:19 am
Well, then Ass, that must mean you have no opinion on the abortion issue because it’s not your life. Glad to see you are keeping your beliefs to yourself and not advocating the right to kill babies. And since other people’s lives are not our business, you must disagree that we need to provide food assistance or insurance to the poor. You are as Ass-et to baby killers everywhere.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:29 am#42 I really admire the Republicans for debating on MSNBC – a very left leaning organization.
Comment by Center Right — May 4, 2007 @ 10:16 am
Both of your assertions are false. Oh, well, your second maybe not, if you mean that you’re in the center of the actual right in the USA, or you really mean that you’re a bit of a centrist and a bit of a rightist.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:30 amIraq should provide free oil for life to most US forces who’ve served. Though the war hasn’t worked out well, the troops have nonetheless made a noble effort. God bless them.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:30 amAnd if the Dems get there way and we *do* leave Iraq, things like this is what Iraqi children can look forward to.
Still want to leave the Iraqi’s in the hands of the people who are behind this?
Comment by Dale — May 4, 2007 @ 10:25 am
So you mean that somewhat the dead civilians killed by the USA are less dead that the civilians killed by the insurgents in Iraq? And, the death in Iraq is going on BECAUSE the USA invaded them.
Your defense of the illegal occupation of Iraq is feeble.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:34 amYou are as Ass-et to baby killers everywhere.
Comment by upright left — May 4, 2007 @ 10:29 am
Really? How so?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:34 am#58 Iraq should provide free oil for life to most US forces who’ve served. Though the war hasn’t worked out well, the troops have nonetheless made a noble effort. God bless them.
Comment by Joe — May 4, 2007 @ 10:30 am
If you want to give a gift to the USA troops, use the treasury of the USA, not the one of the country that the USA invaded illegally.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:36 amHaving read his bio’s he comes from wreck and ruin..A mother that comitted suicide and a family of total disfunction…What’s up with this.?
Comment by Sharon — May 4, 2007 @ 10:16 am
So, did this part of your post concern you at all when you wrote it? Any problem with it now? It sounds so very elitist. Those not from the best families are not good enough, is that your point? If there are drug problems or mental health problems in your family, you aren’t as good as the rest of us? Not a very tolerant point of view. Seems a little hateful there, don’tcha know.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:36 amEvil Span – MSNBC is as far left as Fox is right. The only difference is people actually watch Fox. Why the GOP has any time for ultra-left-wing attack dogs like Olberman and Matthews is beyond. I think it’s because they believe in a free press unlike the Democrats. Bernie Sander’s fairness doctrine is essentially an attack on free speech.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:36 am#55,
You keep forgetting that Wolfowitz is no longer at the pentagon. How he “took the country to war” is not any precursor to his responsibilities at the World Bank. You can’t hold the man to a higher standard because you don’t like his management style. The pay increase proposal and execution wasn’t secret and it wasn’t uncommon. Riza’s talent may have elevated her, regardless of whether Wolfowitz was the bank. The board takes issue with this now?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:38 amFree Press in the hands of ultra big corporations? Yeah, right. And far left, spot on.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:39 am#42: A “majority of Americans disapprove of Harry Reid’s” job?? I think you’re making that up. Do you have any reference for that?
If you’d like a reference showing that the majority of American’s disapprove of President Bush’s job, just let me know. Or, do a Google search and you’ll find hundreds of such references.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:40 am> Still want to leave the Iraqi’s in the hands
> of the people who are behind this [school bomb plot]?
Who exactly are we supposed to turn things over to in Iraq thats going to make things better dale? Which political parties? Don’t give me some “unity government” garbage. The ONLY political parties with any signifigant pull in Iraq are radical islamic parties. Period. There are no good guys. You give Iraqis a democratic vote and the keys to the kingdom are going to get turned over to Iran. This crap wasnt happening when saddam was in charge. Saddam was no noble hero, but the majority of his own people he killed was a) done with our help DECADES AGO and/or b) the people were rebelling against him (i.e. what you sh1theads would call “treason”)
Dale, you care to examine the reasons saddam used to be our pal, and explain why the logic that led us to arm and aide him doesnt apply anymore? Funny thing is, if I recall, we liked him because he gassed islamic radicals. I’m going to reveal my bias here, again, and say that gassing religious nuts of any persuasion is something i approve of, so as much of a prick as saddam may have been, sending religious fanatics to their maker is something I wholly approve of. there is no reasoning and no negotiating with people who are utterly convinced that divine beings have validated their world view and that everyone else must be destroyed. I’m just not naive enough to think that every brown person of a certain religion falls into this category.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:43 amComment by Tobey Tall — May 4, 2007 @ 10:23 am
Yeah, the Iraqi’s have done such a bang up job producing oil, just leave it to them. You know that fantastic standard of living they had before the war. Oh, shoot, it was only the elite that lived that way wasn’t it. Well, “Big Oil” should go ahead and produce the oil, but out of the goodness of their hearts. Dang it, that hits Americans again! Ok, I’m sure if we just leave, they’ll stop fighting, start working together to get that oil out, share it equally amongst all the people and live in peace with the world. It’s all America’s fault!
May 4th, 2007 at 10:47 amNo, maybe you just don’t have a firm grasp of English. What I said was that if we leave Iraq now, the insurgents will be doing things like this on a continual basis.
Contrast the number of civilians killed by the USA and the number of civilians killed by the insurgents… there’s no comparison.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:47 amhttp://pollingreport.com/R.htm
52% is a majority
May 4th, 2007 at 10:48 am“I really admire the Republicans for debating on MSNBC – a very left leaning organization.”
Yeah, sure. It was so “left leaning” that it fired its top-rated host, Phil Donahue, for the sin of not having enough right-wing pro-war topics and guests. Sheesh… can we get some smarter monkeys, please?
“AND now Democrats are attacking David Broder because Broder, like a majority of Americans, disapproves of Harry Reid’s job as senate leader.”
And false again, since Broder is being attacked for not telling the truth, not for disapproving of Reid.
“This gives ammo to the charge that if Democrats get in power, they will shut down the media and opposition. Hitler would be proud.”
ROFL… A self-defeating post. Godwin’s Law – you lose.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:49 am“Why the GOP has any time for ultra-left-wing attack dogs like Olberman and Matthews is beyond”
Matthews is “ultra-left-wing”???? Tell me … what color is the sky in your world?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:51 amNice… so what would be the reaction if I said this:
“Gassing homosexuals is something I approve of…”
or this:
“Gassing blacks/hispanics is something I approve of…”
Those are both pretty nasty statements, correct? I’d imagine you wouldn’t approve of those statements… but you approve of gassing ‘regligious nuts’???
With comments like that, you don’t *deserve* any serious discussion.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:51 am> How he “took the country to war†is not any precursor to his
> responsibilities at the World Bank.
your right, so by your logic , if someone is a serial killer, that shouldnt affect a companys decision to let him on thier board of directors.
in any event, the point, which you are obviously unable to EVER understand, is HIPOCRACY……. “oh these people are using ‘unnamed sources’ to justify my ouster, thats so wrong”…. yet somehow using unamed sources to start a war isnt something that mr. weeniewitz thinks a bad thing. let me explain it in terms maybe you can understand. if somebody named bubba steals other peoples trucks, then he gets a job running a gun store, he’d be a HIPOCRITE if he said “oh, people are stealin guns from me, thats not fair”
HIPOCRACY.. do as I say, not as I do? you should wait till marriage to have sex, exept that i should be able to have sex with hookers. is ANYONE who still supports bushs capeable of understanding the concept of hipocracy and how it undermines moral arguments?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:51 amand say that gassing religious nuts of any persuasion is something i approve of,
Comment by Chocolate Jesus Love Anulingus — May 4, 2007 @ 10:43 am
Ahhh, so as long as Deviant Sexual Act gets to decide who is murdered and who is doing the murdering, he’s happy. See, we are making progress here.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:53 amI saw in the Topeka paper awhile back where a CEO had enough money and his pay was $1.00. His name was Steve Job and I haven’t see one word about it sense, but I read a lot about CEO’s who million. Where is the justice?
May 4th, 2007 at 10:53 amBush has gone on record as saying he has an open mind on evolution. He said, “The jury’s still out.â€
Comment by david — May 4, 2007 @ 9:13 am
What jury, where? Somebod throw a fossil at him. What an idiot.
May 4th, 2007 at 10:53 am#75, it’s amusing… “Deviant Sexual Act” lectures about hypocrisy (notice the spelling DSA?), yet he approves of killing religious ‘nuts’.
(cue the “oh, I was being facetious, but you rethuglicans aren’t smart enough to see that” line.)
May 4th, 2007 at 10:58 am#63 Center Right
MSNBC is as far left as Fox is right. The only difference is people actually watch Fox. Why the GOP has any time for ultra-left-wing attack dogs like Olberman and Matthews is beyond.
Matthews said in November 2005 that “Everybody sort of likes the president, except for the real whack-jobs, maybe on the left.”
Yeah, sure sounds like a lefty to me.
Keith Olbermann’s Ratings on the Rise; Fox News Drops Out of the Top Ten Most Watched Cable Channels
Nice graph here:
Fox News Implementing A Slow Growth Strategy
May 4th, 2007 at 10:59 amContinuing a pattern that goes back more than a year, Fox News is again underperforming its peers. The latest Nielsen data comparing the first quarter of 2007 with the same period of 2006 shows Fox growing at the slowest rate of any of the cable news nets.
>“Gassing homosexuals is something I approve of…â€
>or this:
“Gassing blacks/hispanics is something I approve of…â€
>Those are both pretty nasty statements, correct?
right. so by equating my statement with the above, your comparing blacks to Al-Queda?
you dont approve of gassing al-queda? you sure as heck thing its ok to bomb them (and any one else of their skin color).
your a big fan of whiping out muslim religious nuts right? why cant I be in favor whiping out christian nutballs as well?
religious fanatics, christian, muslim, whatever, are people who want to enslave everyone else with their scary views. i dont think there are alot of them in this world, you guys think everyone in iraq whose shooting at us is one. thats the difference between you and me.
> With comments like that, you don’t *deserve* any serious discussion.
who the f#ck are you to decide who deserves serious discussion? are you a lawyer war veteran hero like the mighty hermaphrdite?
May 4th, 2007 at 11:00 amWhat justice do you want? Steve Jobs made money, and if he wants to reduce his salary, that’s his right. Just like any CEO ‘who million’ (sic) has the right to make the salary they do. When you were in the Navy, did you insist on having the same rights and privileges as an admiral?
May 4th, 2007 at 11:01 amI’m the one who’s trying to bring some much-needed sanity into your life.
BTW, get a spell checker, will you?
May 4th, 2007 at 11:02 am#70 Center Right
http://pollingreport.com/R.htm
52% is a majority
But, don’t bother looking at any other polls on that page. Nothing to see there.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:03 amROFL… A self-defeating post. Godwin’s Law – you lose.
Comment by PaulB — May 4, 2007 @ 10:49 am
However, Godwin’s Law can itself also be abused, as a distraction or diversion, to fallaciously miscast an opponent’s argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparison that the argument made were actually appropriate.
Usage sounds a little improper, Paul.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:07 am>“Deviant Sexual Act†lectures about hypocrisy (notice the spelling DSA?), >yet he approves of killing religious ‘nuts’.
Thanks im glad you can fullfill the function of a 5 dollar spell checker.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:07 amI’m not personally saying the world shoudl live by my beliefs. Thats the difference between you and me. People like you want to act on your homocidal impulses. I don’t. I have no master plan to try and kill religious nuts. Its just what I beleive. Now, I would argue if I did want to carry it out, my criteria are more discerning that yours. Your side is saying “kill all the brown people in iraq that don’t like us”. Im saying, be very surgical, avoid killing innocents and only take violent action against those who refuse to negotiate or compromise. My “kill the nuts” idealogy would probably result in getting rid of about 1% of the amount of people you advocate killing.
It’s hypocritical, Mr. Chocolate Anulingus, because they’re unfairly holding the man to a higher standard. I’m not in love with Mr. Wolfowitz, but you keep speaking of his time at the pentagon, which has NOTHING to do with the World Bank. As president of the Bank, he’s not deploying troops to Africa and other impoverished sections of the world. And also, then-Depy Secy. Wolfowitz was one of a LOAD of people, including the UN, who believed we should invade Iraq. There was a consensus drawn, even if it didn’t turn out that WMD was present at that very time.
There have been lots of people, including democrats, who always considered Iraq to be a threat, and the need to oust Sadaam. The democrats don’t want to take responsibility for their votes to go to war. If they’re so worried about having being “misled” about WMD, it was their job to disseminate the information before casting the critical vote and not taking everything at face value. I support democrats ability to be cautious, but in retrospect they should have done more to prevent this hastily drawn-out conflict before taking the majority of congress.
I stand ready to be corrected if I’m wrong.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:10 amOil law animation – press play
A MUST WATCH TO UNDERSTAND WHAT BUSH IS UP TO only lasts 1 minutes and leaves you so informed,
http://www.handsoffiraqioil.org/
May 4th, 2007 at 11:12 am>I’m the one who’s trying to bring some
> much-needed sanity into your life.
your nothing. your a nobody. your a piece of white trash with webTv or Aol whose obsessed with nitpicking. your not worth the time for me to spellcheck. putting little whining b1tches like you in your place is why i do after i get bored of scratching my nuts. someday im going to see alot of your pals in court and my nutty ass is going to expose what scum they are to the light of day.
you wanna make some bets about how all this is going to turn out, mr smart man? i’ll bet the rest of the decade is going to be a nightmare for the mouthbreathers you call brethern….
May 4th, 2007 at 11:12 amSecond, how do these folks breed?
Comment by Juan C — May 4, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Don’t ask THEM, they haven’t a clue.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:14 am“Iran’s foreign minister walked out of a dinner of diplomats where he was seated directly across from U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, complaining that the female violinist was dressed too revealingly.”
Yeah….That’s reaaallll sane.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:14 amWow… making quite a few assumptions there, aren’t you? I think you’d better take another dose of your medicine and calm down.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:20 amFox News Implementing A Slow Growth Strategy
i wonder – and haven’t seen much about this story -
if buying the DOW JONES / WALL STREET JOURNAL
would have anything to do with this strategy…
that news kinda raised my hackles…
May 4th, 2007 at 11:22 amthe way newscorp manipulates the news,
how can it be good to have them “report” on finances?…
eh?…
Yeah, the Iraqi’s have done such a bang up job producing oil, just leave it to them. You know that fantastic standard of living they had before the war. Oh, shoot, it was only the elite that lived that way wasn’t it. Well, “Big Oil†should go ahead and produce the oil, but out of the goodness of their hearts. Dang it, that hits Americans again! Ok, I’m sure if we just leave, they’ll stop fighting, start working together to get that oil out, share it equally amongst all the people and live in peace with the world. It’s all America’s fault!
May 4th, 2007 at 11:23 amOr, perhaps, the parents could take responsibility for the child that they created. Oh sorry, that personal responsibility thing again. Can’t have that now can we.
Comment by upright left
Yes, because crack whores do such a fabulous job raising their children.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:24 amAt last night’s debate, three Republican presidential candidates — Sen. Sam Brownback, Rep. Tom Tancredo, and Gov. Mike Huckabee — said they do not believe in evolution.
Whatever — idiots.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:25 amis why i do after i get bored of scratching my nuts. someday im going to see alot of your pals in court and my nutty ass is going to expose what scum they are to the light of day.
you wanna make some bets about how all this is going to turn out, mr smart man?
Comment by Chocolate Jesus Love Anulingus — May 4, 2007 @ 11:12 am
And the level of discourse is elevated yet again! Keep it up fella! You’re doing a fine job.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:31 ami just want to call attention to, and congratulate this poster
on actually LOOKING SOMETHING UP to better understand the subject…
but for the sake of etiquete, one should always cite the source…
However, Godwin’s Law can itself also be abused, as a distraction[...]
Usage sounds a little improper, Paul.
Comment by upright left — May 4, 2007 @ 11:07 am
here’s another way, the ol’ copy and paste:
May 4th, 2007 at 11:34 amhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_Law
Or, perhaps, the parents could take responsibility for the child that they created. Oh sorry, that personal responsibility thing again. Can’t have that now can we.
Comment by upright left
Yes, because crack whores do such a fabulous job raising their children.
Comment by Zooey — May 4, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Mornin’ Zooey. Isn’t upright left a goddamn genius. Let’s not allow the crack whore to have her abortion then expect her to take responsibility for the child when she can’t take care of herself. I was going to post almost what you did but my brain was ricocheting around my head and I just gained my composure.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:38 amAnd the level of discourse is elevated yet again! Keep it up fella! You’re doing a fine job.
Comment by upright left — May 4, 2007 @ 11:31 am
Right back at you bubba.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:40 amYes, because crack whores do such a fabulous job raising their children.
Comment by Zooey — May 4, 2007 @ 11:24 am
They don’t raise em worth crap, but they’ll make sure their insurance stays in effect and take em to the doctor and give em their medicine if we provide insurance? And they’ll make sure they have a healthful diet if we provide them enough in foodstamps? And which abortion bill only allows abortions for crack whores? You get that bill working in Congress and I’ll help you drum up support for it, all righty? That would be a good poll. Among women who’ve had abortions, how many were crack whores? Now I have no facts to back this up. It’s purely an opinion, but I’d bet that they were a small majority. Excellent distraction though, Zoo.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:42 ambut my brain was ricocheting around my head and I just gained my composure.
Comment by Shane — May 4, 2007 @ 11:38 am
Shame, I was tempted to make a sarcastic remark to you until I saw this post. Libbie loons here make fun of the mentally challenged, but not me. Now if you recover from the little brain ricochet thing, you’ll be fair game again, little buddy.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:48 amUmm, #42 So you are saying that Faux News is unfriendly to democrats? Huh, who would have figured I thought they were fair and balanced and the only straight source of news out there. Guess I was wrong.
Also you say a majority of Americans disapprove of Reid and you call for him to resign. I say bull**** that he is doing what they elected him to do. But I will play along. Let say your premise is correct that those with low approval or high disapproval ratings should resign, do you also favor the resignation of Bush, Cheney, Rice Gonzo etc etc etc…
#53 Dale, apparently that is what the Iraqi Children already have with us there
#39 Take responsibility? That call coming from a republican is akin to Rush Limbaugh calling for tough sentencing for drug offenders. When s the last time a republican took responsibility for anything? They seem to have someone to blame for everything, and when all else fails they have that great fall back catch all and blame Clinton.
#57 you are exactly correct. The radical right wing of the radical republican party has tried for years to sell themselves as the center. If that is how they view themselves then of course everything else looks to be radically left leaning.
#68 you really don’t know anything about Iraq do you? Perhaps you need to take a look and see exactly what life was like prior to March 2003 and after. Also look to Iraq prior to the first Gulf war.
#69 they are doing things like this on a continual basis, and we are present there, so your point about us leaving is…?
#76 Jobs is in trouble right now because of his compensation package (worth many many many millions).
#86, Joe it is becoming more and more apparently that his Wolfy’s incompetence at the world bank is mirroring his incompetence at the pentagon. Remember he was nominated for the WB by Bush because of his pentagon work. In other words his loyalty to Bush while at the pentagon and his work in getting us into the war Bush wanted is what got him his reward at the World Bank. You talk of the pay raise from the viewpoint that (to mme) seems to say that there is no wrong ddoing, even though all the evidence says just the opposite. When you try to sound rational and still float your opinions that are going against the reality of the world, you lose your credibility.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:50 amComment by Zooey — May 4, 2007 @ 11:24 am
Comment by Shane — May 4, 2007 @ 11:38 am
I have often wondered why “god” “sends” children to people who don’t want them and/or can’t support them.
Is the exercise some sort of test, wherein the parent(s) is(are) forced to confront a licentious lifestyle and given the opportunity to reform for the sake of innocent progeny? Or, is it we, the observers in the community-at-large who are being tested?
Of course, it’s also possible that “god” is not involved at all.
May 4th, 2007 at 11:52 amLOL….#62.Upright ….Nope I don’t feel a bit bad about my comment’s about the second most evil person on the planet…Am I an elitists,? Well it appear’s I must be given the websters dictionary’s deffination..I believe our official’s should be held to the highest standard’s, have a good education, good diplomacy skill’s, no apparent mental illness, high IQ, integrety, no liers and thieves please and above all must support the constitution and the people of the united states…None of my ideas of good quality administration guides are met by any in the bush administration…Not one and I knew it before these scum were put in office because I read and study.
I find it interesting you chose that part of my post to comment on…No response of any of my question’s.? Like how does some one so evil, not elected by the people get more power than the dumbass self imposed dictator.? Nothing about all the bashing bush and evil rove have said about their christian, fundies, wacho, nut job base.? That’s what they call their supporters..Interesting….By the way, I don’t have any formal education, self taught..I can’t spell and have no spell check, can’t get one on this old computer and I don’t think I am very important in the grand scheme of thing’s..One thing I do know, we as a nation have to stop allowing our self imposed leaders from either side to bomb the shit out of other countries that pose no threat to get their oil….You have a nice day, I’m off to plant more trees and flowers in hope’s our planet has a future…Blessings
May 4th, 2007 at 12:07 pmUpright left,
YOu are stupid.
I am a counselor, and I made 17 calls to the Child Welfare agency before the crack whore’s kids were finally taken away. The state is not much better of a parent. The crack whoring was generational, the state had the whore’s mother in their data base for the same neglectful crimes.
You are effing stupid. Obviously never seen this stuff for yourself, and have no idea how it shakes out in the real world.
Dumbass. And yes I’m calling you names.
May 4th, 2007 at 12:34 pmMornin’ Zooey. Isn’t upright left a goddamn genius. Let’s not allow the crack whore to have her abortion then expect her to take responsibility for the child when she can’t take care of herself. I was going to post almost what you did but my brain was ricocheting around my head and I just gained my composure.
Comment by Shane
Glad I could help. :)
I’ve seen enough crack whores with kids. Good god…
May 4th, 2007 at 12:41 pmOoop’s I forgot..Good morning Lady Z, Shane, ForTruth, RUCerious and many other’s, have a blessd day…
May 4th, 2007 at 12:42 pmNow I have no facts to back this up. It’s purely an opinion, but I’d bet that they were a small majority. Excellent distraction though, Zoo.
Comment by upright left
Thanks for proving my point about personal responsibility. Dumb ass.
May 4th, 2007 at 12:44 pmOf course, it’s also possible that “god†is not involved at all.
Comment by pete
That’s the conclusion I came to — when I was 12. I don’t know why the concept is so difficult to alleged full grown adults. :)
May 4th, 2007 at 12:47 pmOne really big problem with right wingers is they think they know all about how to address social problems and the underbelly of society.
But they are totally ignorant because they avoid the kind of work that would actually put them in touch with these elements. And the Christian volunteers become additional clients, because they are just as Whacko, and think they can “save” these people. Half the time the Christian volunteers get overwhelmed, frustrated, and give up.
Teachers – mostlly liberals
Counselors and social workers – mostly liberals.
Do I need to go on?
May 4th, 2007 at 12:49 pmAnd also, then-Depy Secy. Wolfowitz was one of a LOAD of people, including the UN, who believed we should invade Iraq. There was a consensus drawn, even if it didn’t turn out that WMD was present at that very time.
I stand ready to be corrected if I’m wrong.
Comment by Joe — May 4, 2007 @ 11:10 am
Please find ONE link that demonstrates the U.N.’s support of our invasion of Iraq…just ONE.
As for the Democrats, any one of them who voted to allow Bush to invade Iraq are wrong and culpable for a disastrous result. The only real difference is that they realize they were wrong and are trying to remedy the situation. While the Republicans insist it was still the right thing to do.
May 4th, 2007 at 12:49 pmDumbass. And yes I’m calling you names.
Comment by ForTruth
Nice one, Truth. You ought to cut loose a little more often. :D
Ooop’s I forgot..Good morning Lady Z, Shane, ForTruth, RUCerious and many other’s, have a blessd day…
Comment by Sharon
Good morning, Great Lady. Well said at #104, as per usual. :)
May 4th, 2007 at 12:49 pmContrast the number of civilians killed by the USA and the number of civilians killed by the insurgents… there’s no comparison.
Comment by Dale — May 4, 2007 @ 10:47 am
I will bite. Show me some numbers, please.
Since 1991, of course.
May 4th, 2007 at 12:55 pmDo I need to go on?
Comment by ForTruth
Scorching!
May 4th, 2007 at 12:59 pmRegarding the bombs found in the school for girls in Iraq…it’s pretty interesting that somehow it’s “known” that Al-Queda planned this. Amazing how many Al-Queda are now in Iraq, when they were estimated at far less than 5% not long ago. And, despite the fact that thousands and thousands of munitions were looted following the invasion because they weren’t guarded by Coalition troops, or that Iraq has the capability of making “shaped charges” themselves, it’s all about Iran? Right? This is simply one thing: more rationalization to stay in Iraq, and eventually to attack Iran. And the underlying TRUE reason? OIL. Nothing more, nothing less.
May 4th, 2007 at 1:02 pmso a “lady in red” botched a possible meeting
with condi and iran…
why would someone be allowed to perform in such a dress
that is an affront to custom of the guests?
surely not a plant…
May 4th, 2007 at 1:03 pm#
Contrast the number of civilians killed by the USA and the number of civilians killed by the insurgents… there’s no comparison.
Comment by Dale — May 4, 2007 @ 10:47 am
I will bite. Show me some numbers, please.
Since 1991, of course.
Comment by Juan C — May 4, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Don’t forget the ravages (especially of children) thanks to 10 years of sanctions.
May 4th, 2007 at 1:05 pmI dont feel I’m “losing my credibility,” Mark. I made it clear that I stood ready to be corrected. You bring up a key point, and I agree that Wolfowitz was probably nominated because of his pentagon work. At the same time, the board DID approve of him, so he’s there, that’s his job now, and he should be afforded the RIGHT to due process without his previous politically-sensitive job clouding him.
I have to ask, DID Wolfowitz disclose the relationship once he was appointed? If so, when? Would he really be dumb enough to make it obvious that he was elevating his blow-up doll, unless he didn’t disclose it to begin with. In that case, yes, he should be either reprimanded or his employment should be terminated.
Thanks to all of you for a lively discussion.
May 4th, 2007 at 1:06 pm#104 Ok, sharon, now that you’ve clarified your post it isn’t so offensive. Your original post suggested that Rove was unsuited because, “he comes from wreck and ruin..A mother that comitted suicide and a family of total disfunction…What’s up with this.?” Kind of sounded like you were sayin people need to “remember their place.”
And as soon as the U.S. bombs someone who poses no threat to us, I’ll be right there with you to protest it. ;)
I’m planting today as well. Not for carbon offsets, though.
Oh, and the spelling comment wasn’t mine, by the way.
May 4th, 2007 at 1:12 pmContrast the number of civilians killed by the USA and the number of civilians killed by the insurgents… there’s no comparison.
Comment by Dale — May 4, 2007 @ 10:47 am
You mean, the ones that the USA military hasn’t counted when invaded and onwards and the ones that Bush doesn’t count to measure the success of the ’surge’?
Yeah, right. Let’s compare two imaginary numbers that the country in charge of the occupation of the country doesn’t keep track.
Genius.
May 4th, 2007 at 1:13 pmOh, and Dale, the illegal invasion of Iraq by the USA has killed far more innocent Iraqis in 4 years than 20 years of Saddam’s rule. Go figure.
May 4th, 2007 at 1:15 pmimpeachcheneythenbush,
Thinkprogress documents comments by republicans who are coming against the war. Those republicans are not doing a very good job of living up to their promises, but once those democrats casted their votes, they help put themselves in a tangle, making it much harder to “remedy the situation,” especially since the’ve affirmed constitutional powers to the Commander-in-Chief. I would have liked that the democrats not take the immediate word of the U.N. weapons inspectors if they didn’t wan’t to be in this predicament.
May 4th, 2007 at 1:20 pmYou are effing stupid. Obviously never seen this stuff for yourself, and have no idea how it shakes out in the real world.
Dumbass. And yes I’m calling you names.
Comment by ForTruth — May 4, 2007 @ 12:34 pm
On no, please don’t call me names, Forsometruth.
I just caint take it when you do that! WTF???
Libbie loons are gettin loonier every day!
I guess I must be channeling some past life then, because I have a number of years worth of memories as a social worker. And you are right about trying to take away kids from abusive families (not just crack whores by the way). And do you know why it’s so “effing” hard to get kids away? Because of the “bleeding heart liberals” who want to “keep the family together” and protect the parents “civil rights.” Know the issue before you start spewing. And you have a nice day now, ya hear?
May 4th, 2007 at 1:23 pmsooooo, no more war in iraq?
May 4th, 2007 at 1:32 pmUpleft,
The other reason its so hard to get kids away from abusive/neglectful families is that the state knows its not much better of a parent.
May 4th, 2007 at 1:56 pm#121
Granted the so-called Iraqi “insurgency” (read, terrorists and Al Qaeda) have killed thousands of innocent Iraqis since the downfall of Saddam, it is highly doubtful they have managed to kill the between 300,000 to 500,000 people that Saddam Hussein slaughtered during his reign of terror.
Regardless, I agree with you. The “insurgents” and Al Qaeda in Iraq must be destroyed lest they slaughter any more innocent Iraqi men, women, and children.
May 4th, 2007 at 2:03 pmUpright, I don’t agree that it is the bleeding hear libral’s fault for I am one…If we had been in charge of the purse string’s the past 12 year’s several abused and neglected kid’s here in our country would not of died at the hand’s or neglect of their parent’s..
The reason of course is obvious, all the cut’s from this administration across our country has crippled many needed services…Recent cases of children that died in our state proved and printed out in the press had the people that were monatering (childrens services) had enough staff, actuely went to viset as they claimed they had these children would of been removed and saved…This is not a liberal thing, sadly it is another neo-con thing just like the illegal war in Iraq…..Our police forses, state national guard and all services and our infastructure is crumbling so the neo-con’s can support , feed and inhance the industrial war machine to benefit cheney, exxon, bla,bla, bla..Our park’s and wilderness are also under attack, if bush had his way they would all be sold off for cheap to oil leases or land developer’s…Why should he care, his family is going to live and dictate in Parague when they are through with us, right.?//You have a nice day to.
May 4th, 2007 at 2:19 pm>Wow… making quite a few assumptions there, aren’t you? -dale
yes dale. stupid pointless people say stupid pointless things. its called me making an educated guess about your place in this world and i’ll bet its not far from the mark. in any case, if your heroes can go to war based on assumptions then i have the right to do something alot less important, namely pointing out your obvious idiocy, based on assumptions, as well. you spout the same tired points over and over and seem completely oblivious to the double standards your world of supposed “good and evil” creates… then theres everyones favorite stool softener, exlaxley..:
>it is highly doubtful they have managed to kill the between 300,000 to >500,000 people that Saddam Hussein slaughtered during his reign of >terror. -exlaxley
exlaxley, is that number your spouting the amount he killed when he was our friend, our after? the very people who deposed him had no problem with his brutality before. they had no problem with him invading iran. you know that that war we sponsored accounted for a great deal of those deaths, right?
and care to explain why he was executed for only 148 murders? if he was such a terrible guy why not hold him accountable for alot more than 150? is it because we’d find alot of those skeletons in our own closet?
you pack of idiots seem to fail to understand the concept of “lesser of two evils” your rooting for the shia death squads. those are your “good guys” that evil saddam was opressing. you want to prentend like theres some shiny happy third option but there isnt. as long as its done democractically, you want iraq to be overun by islamic fundamentalists (as long as its done democratically), and I’d prefer it was run by a secular sunni strongman. now.. i wouldnt want to live in either type of place, BUT, given the choice, id rather live in a place where i had the freedom to do things like wear shorts, shave my beard, look at dirty magazines, and drink booze, even if political dissent was brutally punished. dale, exley, etc would rather live in a country where you get beaten, jailed, on killed for not shaving your beard, or for wearing shorts or having alcohol, or for disagreeing publicly with religious edicts. hussiens iraq was no paradise, but compared to the rest of the middle east, it was pretty socially progressive, and if you didnt get involved in politics, chances are you;d be ok.
now, anyones a target at any time….the BEST CASE scenario now is a place thats stable but run by shia nuts. this is exley and dales choice.
And furthermore saddam and al-queda were ENEMIES. i noticed you;ve conveniently avoided discussing the REASONS we used to be friends with saddam, arm him, and help him against his enemies.. can you do that now? What influences and idealogies were we concerned with that were spreading throughout the middleast that led us to ally ourselves with this horrible terrible murderous thug who, according to the CURRENT logic of the people you worship, is the worst thing that could ever happen to the world?
and stop with this “the dems went along also crap”. they were badgered, they were cajoled, the paid media whores attacked the patriotism of anyone who didn’t go along with the flaghumping horse and pony show. and for the record, talking and acting are two different things. its like killing someone and then saying.. “well joe bob should be in jail too because he talked about how that person deserved to die.â€
simply talking does not have the same moral weight as acting.
again, these are concepts you are utterly unable to understand apparently.
and whichever one of you fools was serving as an apologist for weeniewitz, let me try once more to explain the elusive concept of hipocracy to you in a way your simple flaghumpin gunluvin minds can understand:
according to your logic if bubba steals peoples trucks, he has the right to cry foul if someone steals his gun, right? because guns and trucks are two different things?
hes applying to others a set of abstract moral standards that hes not living up to himself, thats my point. Whether those standards are applied to two different situations is irrelevant. If “thou shalt not act on anonymous unsubtantiated claims†is the rule you live by, then that rule should apply regardless of what the specific claim it is.
May 4th, 2007 at 3:41 pmMarch 25, 2007/cognitorex
Purgegate: More Bush/Rove Soviet Style Thuggery
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Bush/Rove/Cheney/Gonzalez Commissariat
Political appointees oversee science (FDA & global warming) in this administration.
Political appointees botch, bungle and butcher Iraq reconstruction and Katrina relief.
Political appointees are sent into the CIA executive suite for a political cleansing mission.
Political appointees set up a propaganda office in the DOD to deliberately and maliciously mislead the nation into war while refusing to plan for known obstacles ultimately leading to thousand of troop’ deaths and injuries.
The hue and cry over Purgegate is that the Justice Department has traditionally been significantly and honorably immune to rank political interference. Not under our presently governing thugs.
Despoiling democracy and honor while emulating a Soviet/Communist Commissariat model government is the operational and ethical basis of Gonzalez and his handlers.
Good news. If politicizing the Justice Department finally brings out the backbones of our legislators, Republican and Democratic alike, shout hosannas. Citizens of the entire planet sincerely want the America that strives for honor, honesty and equal treatment under the law to reappear.
Craig Johnson
Labels: Bush, Cheney, commissariat, communism, gonzales, Published Letters, Purgegate, soviet
May 4th, 2007 at 5:09 pm