AP Uncritically Reports Giuliani Campaign’s Efforts To Marginalize Olbermann
AP Uncritically Reports Giuliani Campaign’s Efforts To Marginalize Olbermann
Last week, MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann delivered a special comment criticizing Rudy Giuliani for his recent partisan fearmongering. This week, he hosted MSNBC’s coverage of the Republican presidential debate.
Olbermann’s presence on debate night coverage angered the Giuliani campaign. The AP reports:
The Giuliani campaign privately expressed its concern to NBC News about Olbermann’s role in the days leading up to last Thursday’s debate. … MSNBC spokesman Jeremy Gaines said a Giuliani campaign representative had called NBC News to complain about Olbermann being part of the debate telecast following his commentary.
The Giuliani campaign has a right to make its complaints known, just as many on the left have raised arguments about the bias of Fox News’ participation in Democratic debates. But it’s the role of the media to place the story in its proper context, and the AP account fails to do that.
Blindly accepting the Giuliani campaign’s argument, the AP story singles out Olbermann for criticism. “Olbermann’s popularity and evolving image as an ideologue has led NBC News to stretch traditional notions of journalistic objectivity,” the story reports. It continues, “Even for television hosts unafraid to say what they think — Chris Matthews, for instance — there’s still a little mystery about what they’ll do inside a voting booth.”
The AP fails to note that another MSNBC host who was involved in debate night coverage — Joe Scarborough — campaigned for President Bush in 2004. Media Matters has noted that Scarborough also helped propagate partisan talking points. There is certainly no mystery as to who he voted for.
The issue here isn’t Olbermann, who fairly and ably quarterbacked the debate coverage. By uncritically reporting the Guiliani campaign’s argument, the AP engaged in the very bias that its report implies it is above.
UPDATE: More from Media Matters.
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Giuliani needs to go put on his bra and chill out > lol.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:15 amCan Tommy Thompson can get him fired.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:18 amRudy is a cross-dresser!
Last Nov, they lost 30 House seats, 6 Senate seats, 6 Governorships, and across America over 300 state seats.
The Republicans did not gain control of any state legislature.
The GOP controls only 10 states.
It’s official: Keith Olbermann is a prime mover and shaker of the Vast Leftwing Conspiracyâ„¢ (VLC). I suspected as much, especially after he had Rumsfeld removed from office.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:27 amIOKIYAR… Guiliani is a putz.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:28 amGiuliani has more to worry about than Keith Olbermann. But whining about K.O. is better than confronting the numerous scandals in Giulianni’s past. Typical Republican whiny-ass thug.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:29 amA biased article accusing someone of bias. Just bad writers far as I can tell.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:33 amOne more thing. After the Democrats win the White House and assume power a lot of Liberals are going to be highly disappointed when Olbermann begins going after them on a regular basis.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:35 amAs much as I like Keith, I don’t think he belonged at the GOP debates or at the Democratic debates either for that matter. To me it is the same as having Bill O’Reilly anchoring debate coverage and even Faux doesn’t do that.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:37 amI am with Betsy. I really like Olberman, but in a presidential debate, I think we need altogether non-partisan moderators. When men like Lehrer were handling the job, no one was treated unfairly. To argue for Olberman as moderator is to argue for Scarborough–not good choices.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:44 amEd noone on the left would mind the Dems being held to account. It’s long overdue and discussed frequently here and many other sites.
Betsy? What the hell are you talking about? You lump BO and KO in the same sentence and want to restrict the media at the same time?
It is the JOB of the media to check governments, even ones they like. Your remark is supremely offensive. BO is a paid neocon shill. KO is a hothead, angry at hypocrisy.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:49 amDouble standard. what’s not OK for a Dem is OK if you are repug.
Olberman criticizes Dems when they need it — it’s just that the Repugs are the ones at the receiving end most of the time because they earned it.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:55 amOlberman is an experienced news anchor, who provides balance to Chris Matthews and Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson and Pat Buchanan.
Giuliani would have us believe he is a tough guy who plays hardball — but I see he is no different than other repugs — he is a whiner, a crybaby who wails, “waah! you hurt my feelings”
(when you tell the truth - is left unsaid)
I’ts like Jon Stewart being accused of bashing Bush&Co — he does, yes. But he also mocks Dems and yuks it up at their expense. It’s just that Bush&Co provide more opportunity for sarcasm and mockery.
The truth hurts and the repugs can’t take it.
And BTW, some of the questions Matthews asked were outrageous! For one example: “Would you like to see Clinton back in the White House?” was meant to evoke what response?
Even the more even Bryan Williams asked questions to the Dems using the repug talking point phraseology.
Matthews wants to provoke people to say the wrong thing — he believes it is his job — he believes that is more important than helping the public to learn what the candidates stand for. Matthews and his ego, combined with his loud and drooling mouth, are in need of a balance like KO.
(And don’t compare him to BO - there is no comparison)
May 5th, 2007 at 9:05 amMcCain, Giuliani Wouldn’t Hesitate to Attack Iran if They Felt It Posed a Threat to Israel
http://www.antiwar.com/ regions/ regions.php?c=United%20States
May 5th, 2007 at 9:08 am@Jeff
All I’m saying that when so many think Olbermann is some kind of champion of the Left when in fact he’s openly disparaging of both major parties and has been throughout his career. It’s just that the republicans and this administration have been so far above and beyond what was considered “normal” bad practice in government.
And the guy who didn’t belong there was Chris Matthews as moderator. Definite “clang” factor at work.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:09 amIraq War May End With an Isolationist US
Indeed, public opinion polls are now suggesting that post-Iraq War, Americans are also becoming more skeptical, if not hostile, towards the notion that they have the obligation to resolve global conflict, liberalize world trade and open the country’s gates to new immigrants.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:11 amA man who wants to be a president of United States,a country of 300 million people…should not be concerned about MSNBC Olbermann words and using the phone to call NBC to complain.
Guiliana if you want to be a president…you need to live with that..it goes with the territories…
Are you scared from Olbermann in your first debate?
Olbermann was answering your claim that ‘terrorists will attack us again if Democrats won’.
Olbermann was asking you “who was the Mayor of New York when it happened on 9/11..and what party was in charge”…..Simple questioning by Olbermann and logical one.
Mr. Guiliani, the game just started…and Olbermann is not going to be silenced by you….!!
May 5th, 2007 at 9:19 amAs Eric Alterman has put it: just another example of working the refs.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:25 am“All I’m saying that when so many think Olbermann is some kind of champion of the Left when in fact he’s openly disparaging of both major parties and has been throughout his career.”
Yup. Krugman’s the same way, as is the Daily Show’s Jon Stewart. If we get a Democratic president in 2008, you can expect these guys to pay close attention and to give that presdient the same kind of treatment they’ve been giving Bush, albeit less severe, since we would expect that Democratic candidate to be at least marginally competent.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:35 amOT,
Did you know that Iraq is freezing medical students diplomas and transcripts, so that they cannot flee the country and practice elsewhere?
Last time Iraq imposed that policy? Under Saddam Hussein.
http://www.rawstory.com/ showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-dyn%2Fcontent%2Farticle%2F2007%2F05%2F04%2FAR2007050402359_pf.html
May 5th, 2007 at 9:42 amIf Giuliani can’t stand up to, and answer questions from one man, how in the world can he stand up to the terrorists?
May 5th, 2007 at 9:44 amWhat is the world coming to when Keith Olberman is held up an identified as representative of The Left!? Olberman is MAINSTREAM. Practically ALL the other talking heads on the major networks today are so-called Right to FAR Right, although as far as that moniker, Right, meaning correct…well, they are ANYTHING BUT CORRECT! If you want a TRULY LEFT anchorperson to moderate a debate get AMY GOODMAN from Democracy Now! Or LEWIS LAPHAM! Have NOAM CHOMSKY on the panel…too bad MOLLY IVANS is dead but she would have been perfect! The problem with America today is that even Progressives can’t really identify a TRUE PROGRESSIVE anymore! Fascism is like alcoholism, folks…it’s an insidious, progressive disease, and I don’t mean Left-Wing.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:52 amJust read the article. Ir was definetely a hit piece on Keith Olberman. The author never mentions that not only are the pundits at Fox “News” right wing extremists, but so are the so called anchors and journalists. You know who Brit Hume is going to vote for. You know who Chris Wallace is going to vote for. You know who Neil Cavuto is going to vote for. There is no mystery at all who anyone at Fox “News” is going to vote for.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:55 amI said it before, If the Democrats were in the White House, and they were behaving as criminally as Bush is, then Olberman would light into their butts the same way he is to the Repubs.
I hope somehow Keith can adress this hit piece and totally destroy it, maybe by revealing all the Repubs he has voted for and given campaign donations to.
Faiz,
The correct spelling is “ideologue” not “idealogue”. I think…
May 5th, 2007 at 10:06 amGuiliani is a War Criminal and a Pathological Liar.
GOD help this country if he wins.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:07 amAnd the guy who didn’t belong there was Chris Matthews as moderator. Definite “clang†factor at work.
Comment by Ed — May 5, 2007 @ 9:09 am
you got that right…
chrissy just couldn’t turn off his “spitball” technique…
that was no debate…
May 5th, 2007 at 10:13 amrudy’s a bully, too. Just wait until he loses his temper in a very public way - his popularity will sink llike a stone.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:15 amLast week, KO blasted Giuliani because he said the Dems would guarantee we get attacked again. Giuliani deserved to be slammed.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:17 amThe first WTC was bombed in 1993 and against all advice Giuliani kept the response center in the WTC. On 9/11 he was seen all over the streets of NYC because he didn’t have anywhere to go — his office and the responce center were gone.
RG is a one-trick pony. He has nothing to offer except that he looked good on those ash covered streets in comparison to the absent Bush.
He is unqualified to be president and the fact that he exhibits a cry-baby response to deserved criticism indicates his skin is too thin.
He’s too much like GWB.
What do you expect from a fascist? This Guiliani guy thinks free speech is a myth concocted by his political enemies. Most Americans don’t know how totalitarian his term as Mayor was. With this dipstick, it’s his way or the highway — he makes Chuckle Nuts look downright agreeable.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:17 amI wish he and Trent Lott would start a drag revue and take it on the road and drop out of the race.
Who wants to look at this soul-less, evil eyes for 4 years?
May 5th, 2007 at 10:27 amespecially after he had Rumsfeld removed from office.
Comment by Ed @ 8:27 am (who “sounds” a lot like jason hintler)
that’s a new one… you think olbermann “had Rumsfeld removed from office.”???
wow, he’s more special than even HE imagined…
and, Betsy @ 8:37 am - olbermann wasn’t AT either debate…
May 5th, 2007 at 10:34 amhe co-anchored coverage for MSNBC…
…
The article was riidiculous on it’s face Olbermann did not moderate either debate and nor should he have. He provided color commentary with Carlson, Scarborough and Buchanan among others. I didn’t hear about any dem candidates screaming about Scarborough or Carlson providing pre-and post-debate commentary last week.
And who is the AP to presume how the man votes???? That was a horrible excuse for an article.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:48 am“One more thing. After the Democrats win the White House and assume power a lot of Liberals are going to be highly disappointed when Olbermann begins going after them on a regular basis.”
I have no problem with Keith Olbermann going after Democrats if they deserve it. The Republics don’t have a lock on malfeasance, they just do it better and more often than the Democrats. I’m all for outing anyone in the government who is doing something wrong, as opposed to Republics who are a bunch of lemmings all marching off the cliff together.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:51 amOT …
here’s a great story for you, TP:
Racist Comments Force CBS To Close Comments On Obama Articles
By: Logan Murphy @ 5:02 AM - PDT
Via CBSNews.com :
May 5th, 2007 at 10:55 amToday CBSNews.com informed its staff via email that they should no longer enable comments on stories about presidential candidate Barack Obama. The reason for the new policy, according to the email, is that stories about Obama have been attracting too many racist comments.
[…]
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 05/ 05/ racist-comments-force-cbs-to-close-comments-on-obama-articles/
…
about non partisan moderators; that ended with the days of decorum which left us last century. this is a brave new world of criminal politicians, criminal regimes
May 5th, 2007 at 10:56 amat least we have one moderator that will laugh about the idiotic things that candidates say. that, really is the better kind of decorum. truth
As President I promise that there will NOT be another terrorist attack on the World Trade Center on my watch….I will deny Al Qaeda a hat trick!
-The guy in the dress who will scare Al Qaeda, Rudy Giuliani
May 5th, 2007 at 10:57 am… i can’t believe i left out this part:
This might explain why Obama requested Secret Service protection this early in the campaign. Sadly, this is what you get when racists and bigots are given credibility and unlimited airtime on a national platform who are joined by racist politicians backed by a well funded political party. While we’re on the subject, I’d like to thank the C&L site monitor team for all of their hard work.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 05/ 05/ racist-comments-force-cbs-to-close-comments-on-obama-articles/
May 5th, 2007 at 10:57 amIf the Democrats f-up I’ll gladly cheer Keith Olbermann on…….I also enjoy watching John Stewart bashing the Democrats too.
I am not a fact denier like the aithoritarian right wing who are so soft and feeble that I cannot accept critical analysis.
-GSD
May 5th, 2007 at 10:59 amyep there goes rudy again-nazi in charge
May 5th, 2007 at 10:59 amHey Rudy, shouldnt you be worring about making sure your shoes match your dress?
May 5th, 2007 at 10:59 amHey Giuliani: why don’t you and Kinda-Sleezy-Lice go out and buy shoes together, kind of a girls day out, kind of thing.
You lied about 9/11. You have some GD nerve running for president of this country!!
What do you want to do nail it’s final coffin?
May 5th, 2007 at 11:10 amExcellent comments, Marie.
Giuliani is a wanking putz.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:15 amI’ve seen a few comments here, and in other threads about how reporters and/or debate moderators should be “non-partisan”. I hate to say it, but anyone to whom the label “non-partisan” applies, is simply uninformed. If you have an opinion (and you SHOULD) about an issue, that will most likely make you “partisan”. Asking real people to hide, or suppress their opinions isn’t healthy for them, and limits the discussion. I would have loved to hear the moderator at the Repub debate call out Tommy T for his advocation of discrimination at the workplace. I would LOVE to have some rational criticism of the Dems on a regular basis from the media. It seems like folks often confuse O’Reilly for “rational”. For instance, William Jefferson? He should be out.
It’s not a “party” issue, it’s a leadership, and ethics issue. I sometimes wish that any legislation passed by Congress would require a majority from BOTH parties. That way they could stop the petty bickering, and get on with the work that truly moves the country forward. Also, the job of President should be trivial… just veto everything. If 2/3 of the representatives of the people can’t agree on what to do, it’s probably not been thought through. Unfortunately, at this point, I think the Repubs are just playing the spoiler, and their leadership has laid down the law regarding sticking together and voting as a block on anything put forward by the Dems. It’s truly sad to see (presumably) intelligent people completely abandon their ideals and desires to support Mother Party.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:15 amI am so angry at Guiliani what he did to the firefighters in NYC and how he lied about 9/11. How the hell did he know the buildings were going to come down?
I meant to say : the final nail in the coffin.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:18 amI watch Keith Olbermann. When AP contends he is evolving into an ideologue, I agree. Keiths socio-political tenets are ideologically forecasted. And they are, , . . . . . .wait for it . . . . . decency, dignity, and democracy - the real 3-D elements of an American way of life. What hogwash the AP has decided to spew! -Kevo
May 5th, 2007 at 11:45 amCry Baby, Cry Baby, Cry! Rudy needs to stop crying and flip flopping so he can pander to extremist rightwing idiots. He makes me sick to my stomach. If you can’t say what you really feel, then you have no business running for President. Everyone on the planet knows he’s not conservative, yet he trys to come off as one. They accused John Kerry of flip flopping and the majority of the Republicans have flipped and flopped so many times, it makes my head spin.
The sad part about it is most Republican primary voters are so extreme they don’t represent the sentament of the majority of their own party. These extremist are going to cause their candidate to take such extremsit views, there is no way he can win the general election. For example on Iraq, most of the people oppose the war now. For extremist Republicans the opposite is true. Since the majority if not all of the democrats are against staying in Iraq, they win by default.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:45 amI guess Olbermann didn’t get the Fascist Republican memo on covering Republicans.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:58 amIs Guiliani going to get upset if a FNC news anchor/pundit calls him on his abortion and gay marriage flip flops.
I think not…..
Lisp boy has nowhere to go in the polls but down from here….
6 hours of “leadership” does not make one Presidentail material
May 5th, 2007 at 12:05 pm“Even for television hosts unafraid to say what they think — Chris Matthews, for instance — there’s still a little mystery about what they’ll do inside a voting booth.â€
Chris Matthews is your example of a non-partisan journalist? Mattews is on martini away from fellating George Bush. Try again, AP.
May 5th, 2007 at 12:07 pmWhat the mainstream media has yet to fully expose with respect to Giuliani is the false heroism attributed to him from his efforts in 9/11.
The firefighters who were the real heroes from that day feel much different about Gouliani. See for yourself:
http://www.usatoday.com/ news/ nation/ 2007-03-08-giuliani-firefighters_N.htm
http://deseretnews.com/ dn/ view/ 0,1249,660201787,00.html
What the Mainstream media has done is to idolize Rudy, creating this myth of him as “America’s Mayor.” He was not supportive of the 1st responders. He has been evasive when questioned about the health care that these sick and dying heroes have been denied. Along with Christine Todd WHittman, he was complicit in the lies that the air quality at ground zero was safe. Lastly, he was heartless when it came to the firefighter who pushed to have further excavation of the site to find the remains of their fallen comrades.
Do the research for yourself. It’s amazing the myth and the lies that many of the sheeple have fallen for. Spread the word.
Here’s a helpful website to help in this effort:
http://www.911blogger.com
Peace.
May 5th, 2007 at 12:26 pmPoor rudy, gets slammed by keith olbermann and now he’s afraid of him? what’s going to happen when one of the other presidential hopefuls slam him in a debate? is he going to whine and cry that they should be excluded from further debates? rudy, like 99.9% of waahhhpublican men need to pop their thumbs out of their mouths and grow a set
May 5th, 2007 at 12:58 pmOlbermann criticized Guiliani for saying that the country would suffer more casualties from more terrorist attacks if Democrats were elected.
That comment is so beyond the pale that the question should really be: why aren’t more “journalists” criticizing Guiliani for saying that?
May 5th, 2007 at 1:21 pmFrom a quick Google search it appears this particular story only ran in the Boston Herald — Boston’s wing-nut equivalent of the New York Post, except without the heavy intellectual content. (/sarcasm) No byline, either, which is unusual for an “analysis” piece (I’m obviously using the term very loosely).
It almost makes me wonder if this isn’t just a Fox News style hit job (spoon fed by the Guiliani campaign) that the Herald decided to dress up with the AP label to make it sound more authoritative.
Just a wild guess. But it doesn’t look like anyone else is taking it seriously.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:42 pmI finally had a chance to watch KO’s special comment about Giuliani –
May 5th, 2007 at 1:43 pmit was scatching, to say the least, if Rudy is capable of it, he ought to be cringing in embarrassment.
If you click through to read the transcript, Olbermann played it totally straight in moderating the pre-debate coverage. It wasn’t “Countdown” at all, just Olbermann subbing for Matthews on Hardball. Maybe Giuliani or his people could tell us just what Olbermann said in the pre-debate coverage that they took issue with.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:11 pmHey Leftards here’s the numbers from the Quinnipiac poll!
Head-to-Head Match Ups
May 5th, 2007 at 2:46 pmGiuliani 49 - Clinton 40
Giuliani 44 - Obama 41
Giuliani 48 - Gore 41
Head-to-Head Match Ups
Giuliani 49 - Clinton 40
Giuliani 44 - Obama 41
Giuliani 48 - Gore 41
Comment by Reality — May 5, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Guess what? Edwards beats Guiliani.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:57 pm“Guess what? Edwards beats Guiliani.”
Guess what, Hillary is going to be the Dem candidate.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:02 pmRudolph Guiliani married his cousin.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:23 pmHe also has been married 3 times, and his current wife has also been married 3 times.
He has been filmed in public dressed as a woman.
He has lived with a gay male couple, after being thrown out of the NYC Mayor’s residence via restraining order.
He is pro-choice (or was).
He has connections to organized crime, via Bernie Kerik.
And last but not least, he is an opportunistic ass who operates from an ingrained sense of privilege.
Now mind you, I could care less about any of this. More power to him, and I’m sure there is as bad or worse on the Democratic side.
But the core Conservative voting block will desert him faster than the speed of light once this stuff comes out.
Giuliani is the dream candidate for the American Left. As another famous GOP poseur once said, “Bring ‘em on!”
(((“Even for television hosts unafraid to say what they think — Chris Matthews, for instance — there’s still a little mystery about what they’ll do inside a voting booth.â€
Chris Matthews is your example of a non-partisan journalist? Mattews is on martini away from fellating George Bush. Try again, AP.)))
That comment in the AP article is just incredible. Matthews himself has said outright that he voted for George W. Bush. What kind of “mystery” is that? (To say nothing of his “sunny nobility” quotes and drooling over the codpiece caper.) Aside from the fact that if you’re going to report on politics you ought to keep up with what’s common knowledge in political circles and on the “internets,” there is such a thing as Google, a “mystery” I don’t think has been revealed unto the Washington press corps. And most of them can afford its fancier cousin, Lexis Nexis.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:43 pmyou can expect these guys to pay close attention and to give that president the same kind of treatment they’ve been giving Bush, albeit less severe, since we would expect that Democratic candidate to be at least marginally competent.
Which is, you know, THEIR JOB. I don’t want an ass-licking toady to any party, I want someone who reports the truth and advocates for the unwashed masses in the audience, not the powerful.
May 5th, 2007 at 4:28 pmKeith O. is as partisan as Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh - too bad not as many people listen to him. Keith is a master at partisn “fear-mongering” - showing that everyone is good at something…..
May 5th, 2007 at 5:25 pmGuess what? Fred Thompson beats them ALL…….
May 5th, 2007 at 5:27 pm#43 - “…The sad part about it is most Republican primary voters are so extreme they don’t represent the sentament of the majority of their own party. …” Unknow Dem
Dear UD - Does the progressive/s*ci*list wing of the Dem Party, who are committed Primary voters, represent the sentiment of the Dem Party?
May 5th, 2007 at 5:31 pm# 5 - BluePup -
“Liberal relativism has its roots in the natural right tradition of tolerance or in the notion that everyone has a natural right to the pursuit of happiness as he understands happiness; but in itself it is a seminary of intolerance.”
– Leo Strauss, Natural Right and History (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1953), 6.
Yep - I think it’s hard to argue with old Leo on this point…..
May 5th, 2007 at 5:54 pmGuess what? Fred Thompson beats them ALL…….
Comment by valiant venus
Just what this country needs, right Hag? Another actor.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:01 pm#62 - Zoooette - did you say something important??….Nope….
May 5th, 2007 at 6:11 pmHa ha ha ha. Fred Thompson beats them all because he WASN’T THERE!! Ten old, white, foolish men were on stage Thursday and Thompson only looks good because he was absent.
Did you all hear Tweety talk about how “presidential” Thompson is because he played tough in the movies!! He can’t separate fact from film. Drooling idiot. I thought the Repugs didn’t like “hollywood types.”
Oh yeah, IOKIYAR.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:14 pmMaybe Giuliani or his people could tell us just what Olbermann said in the pre-debate coverage that they took issue with.
Comment by kth — May 5, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
They took issue with the same thing you would have taken issue with if O’Reilly had been involved with the Democratic debate.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:28 pmZoooette - did you say something important??….Nope….
Comment by valiant venus
Important enough for you to notice and respond, Hag.
Zoo — 974
May 5th, 2007 at 6:34 pmHag — 0
Zooooette - Again you’re mistaken:
Valiant Venus - 10,000
Zooooette - 974
It appears you still have a way to go before you catch on… or catch up…..
May 5th, 2007 at 6:42 pmMarie - Repubs like 6 or 8 Hollywood “types” - the ones who caught on what a loosing propositions the “theology” of progressivism is….
May 5th, 2007 at 6:46 pmValiant Venus - 10,000
Zooooette - 974
It appears you still have a way to go before you catch on… or catch up…..
Comment by valiant venus
Wow. I must be really special in your life, Haggie. Two responses since I was dubbed unimportant. You really can’t help yourself, can you? :D
Zoo — 975
May 5th, 2007 at 6:50 pmHag — 0
“loosing”
Comment by valiant venus
L-O-S-I-N-G
I know you like to imagine that you are accurate.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:51 pmKeith may be “on his way”? They would like just one excuse to optout with him.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:51 pmThe cabal knows if they loose media support their cards are in, and I believe they will do anything to control “our air”.
He should hook up with Linktv.
Olbermann reffered to the “regal quality” of the Republican candidates. He was probably referring to the fact that McCain has had two wives, Rudy three, and Romney’s a polygamist whose grandfather had five. Between them, they’ve had more wives as Henry VIII, so I guess you could call them a royal embarrasment.
May 5th, 2007 at 7:01 pmI disliked Rudy before it was cool to dislike him.
May 5th, 2007 at 7:42 pmHe’s the worst kind of hack.
He will not get nominated; not get elected.
He will implode long before the first primary.
You heard it here.
Liberals support surrendering to terrorists, and Bill Clinton received oral sex in the Oval Office. Bush by comparison has been a paragod of virtue. You have not. So shut up.
May 5th, 2007 at 7:44 pmLiberals are mostly gay.
May 5th, 2007 at 7:45 pmRudy can’t take the heat from KIETH??? Maybe he would have wanted a New York Fire Fighters Union member offering up some “insight”? Rudy reminds me of the classic 60’s R.Cobb cartoon of the dazed victom holding a radio in one hand and it’s plug in the other wandering throu a post nuc’ked cityscape . . .
“what a marooon!” - B Bunny
May 5th, 2007 at 7:48 pmGodamnit, there’s one thing I won’t have at any price and that’s liberal lies! Rudy has the best legs of any of the candidates, in either party. And if any of those wussy Democrats think they can come within a mile of Rudy’s gams, well guys, go get some fish-nets and let’s see the proof!
May 5th, 2007 at 7:48 pmGary-
May 5th, 2007 at 7:50 pmdo you believe that crap or are you just wanking in the wind for attention????
And Romney better not use the I’ve-got-to-wear-my-special-Mormon-underwear-all-the-time excuse. That’s a bunch of crap! This country has the right to a gently curved calf, a well turned ankle, and, dare I say it, yes, a pretty foot! We deserve these things! Any man who can’t beat the pants off Osama’s pins had better pack up his tootsies and 23-skidoo!
May 5th, 2007 at 7:52 pmThe “paragod” of virtue. The “god” part is difinately gwb.
May 5th, 2007 at 7:52 pmOlbeman is the leader of the vast Left Wing Conspiricy ???
I thought Markos was the blogfather ???
isn’t DailyKOS the source of all evil ???
May 5th, 2007 at 8:11 pmLiberals are mostly gay.
Comment by Gary Ruppert
How can anyone be “mostly gay?”
I thought it an all or nothing proposition.
Enlighten us, Gary.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:19 pmMakes ya wonder what Giuliani will do if he gets into office. I heard he made the public bus system take down ads critical of him when he was mayor of New York.
What a weak and insecure boy.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:39 pmThinkprogress. You should bring back this post after the free speech loving Democratic candidates for President agree to debate on Fox (the most widely viewed news network).
May 5th, 2007 at 8:42 pmWhat kills me is that the AP article says that some journalists are so careful to appear impartial that they don’t even vote. Yet it never mentions that Olbermann is one of those who doesn’t vote–even though he is on record as having said this many times.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:45 pm“Olbermann criticized Guiliani for saying that the country would suffer more casualties from more terrorist attacks if Democrats were elected.
That comment is so beyond the pale that the question should really be: why aren’t more “journalists†criticizing Guiliani for saying that?”
The answer is that there is a huge difference between being a news reporter and being a news journalist. The former merely writes what he/she heard or saw, and the latter actually analyzes it fairly and places it into context with prior events or circumstances. Unfortunately, there are more and more reporters and fewer true journalists. Additionally, with more and more newspapers owned by just a few mega-corps (e.g. Rupert Murdoch, for one), don’t you think that monopolization is affecting the quality and accuracy of the news you are reading or hearing? As a few huge corporations monopolize the news media, there is no longer a true “market place of ideas,” but rather a “market place of agendas.” At some point, the concept of gurananteeing Freedom of the Press will become moot because of the domination of just a few huge corporations controlling the news papers and TV news shows.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:02 pmYet it never mentions that Olbermann is one of those who doesn’t vote–even though he is on record as having said this many times.
Comment by Karla
It shouldn’t be too hard for you to find a link to back up this statement — since it’s “on record.”
May 5th, 2007 at 9:15 pmKarla is right.
KO has stated in publication interviews several times that he doesn’t vote because he doesn’t want to appear partial to any candidate.
He also goes after Dems just as he goes after Repubs — it’s just been Repubs controlling the WH and Congress for the last six disasterous years.
And, Matthews is not impartial. He clearly hates the Clintons and has publicly stated his support for several Repub candidates.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:25 pmds,
I’m not saying she’s not right, I’m asking for a link to back up her statement.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:28 pmValiant Venus - 10,000
Zooooette - 974
It appears you still have a way to go before you catch on… or catch up…..
Comment by vile venus
Wow. I must be really special in your life, Haggie. Two responses since I was dubbed unimportant. You really can’t help yourself, can you? :D
Zoo — 975
Hag — 0
Comment by Zooey
“loosingâ€
Comment by valiant venus
L-O-S-I-N-G
I know you like to imagine that you are accurate.
Comment by Zooey
While I haven’t kept count of the precise numbers here, Zooey is probably correct, for VileVenus/Mighty Hypocrite certainly hasn’t won any (that means ZERO) arguments here.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:44 pmOn the second point, Zooey, you only corrected Vile’s (mis)spelling of losing. VV also wrote “a loosing propositions.” “Propositions” is plural; using the singular “a” before it is all wrong.
On the second point, Zooey, you only corrected Vile’s (mis)spelling of losing. VV also wrote “a loosing propositions.†“Propositions†is plural; using the singular “a†before it is all wrong.
Comment by Lora
Lora — 1
Zoo — 0
*hanging head in shame**
:-D
May 5th, 2007 at 9:56 pmZooey,
May 5th, 2007 at 10:27 pmI’m not here to shame you. We all make mistakes now and then; it’s just that Vile Venus makes them all the time, while trying to pose as some hotshot attorney. I don’t know if that’s funny or pathetic; maybe it’s both.
A biased article accusing someone of bias. Just bad writers far as I can tell.
Comment by jeff — May 5, 2007 @ 8:33 am
Are you talking about AP or TP ?
AP is faulted for supposedly airing GOP complaints about Olberman without context. Adding that context would (one assumes) be pointing out that Olberman is a biased partisan pundit.
No word yet on how that would be a better outcome, but supposedly that shows AP’s bias for not doing to Olberman’s MSNBC at the Republican debate what TP did to O’Reilly’s Fox over the Democrat debate.
Perhaps you just got the word ‘bias’ confused with ‘hypocrisy’. Sure, the bias is built right in there but it’s the phony suggestion of standards that’s what sticks out the most.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:44 pmWhy is the Left so scraed of Rudy?
May 6th, 2007 at 1:29 amGiuliani did not flip-flop! Ever!
Only Democrats can flip-flop! By definition and usage!
So there!
Liberals! Hmf.
May 6th, 2007 at 3:38 amYes.
Pointing out that someone is a lying shit is exactly the same as being scared of said person.
Why is the “Right” so scared of Keith Olbermann? A question we don’t really have to ask, and you don’t really have to answer. Honest, decent people already know why the “Right” is scared of Keith Olbermann.
May 6th, 2007 at 3:42 amI just want to know Rudy’s stand on the “Sanctity of Marriage”.
May 6th, 2007 at 6:51 amWhy is the Left so scraed of Rudy?
Comment by Reality — May 6, 2007
that has to be the funniest thing i have read in a long time. actually, “the left” finds it rather humorous that the front runner in the neoclowns bid for the presidency in 2008 is a thumbsucker
May 6th, 2007 at 8:19 amJesus K. Reist, they’re really scraping the bottom of the troll barrel, eh?
May 6th, 2007 at 10:29 amKeith O. should have been the moderator. He is fair and balanced, and will critize both parties.
Matthews asked such stupid questions. When he asked if they wanted to see Clinton in the White House again. The repug monkey’s laughter was not of riducule, but FEAR. Fear because Prez Clinton is a better human being then all 10 repugs put together.
K.O would have followed up Guiliani’s mastication for Reagan by reminding Guiliani that he was a democrat when Reagan was in office. Guiliani is a mafia crook.
May 6th, 2007 at 11:00 amIronically, this unnamed AP reporter does exactly what he says Olbermann does — blurs the line between objective reporting and opinion, weaving the two in his article rather subtly. Besides calling Olbermann an “ideologue” and suggesting he “knows” what he’d do in the voting booth, he equates Olbermann with Bill O’Reilly — who makes no pretense to objectivity in any forum — and engages in commentary of his own as a virtual spokesman for Fox News:
Having Olbermann anchor _ as he will continue, with Matthews, for big political nights throughout the campaign _ is the MSNBC equivalent of Fox News Channel assigning the same duties to O’Reilly.
May 6th, 2007 at 2:21 pmFox has never done that, perhaps mindful of the immediate controversy that would result. Fox has tried to differentiate between its news operation and its prime-time opinion shows, even as its critics believe strongly that’s bunk. In this case, MSNBC doesn’t try to separate news and opinion people, even as it tries to separate news and opinion.
“Even for television hosts unafraid to say what they think — Chris Matthews, for instance — there’s still a little mystery about what they’ll do inside a voting booth.â€
—
Oh, so Chris “I never met a Republican I didn’t worship” Matthews is simply someone who is unafraid to say what he thinks. It doesn’t say whether or not what he thinks is grounded in reality or not. There is no mystery about what Chris Matthews does in a voting booth: straight Republican ticket is his choice.
BTW Keith Olbermann is not an idealogue, as defined by Webster’s:
I*de”a*logue (?), n. [Idea + -logue, as in theologue: cf. F. id’eologue.]
One given to fanciful ideas or theories; a theorist; a spectator.
He is someone who serves as a fact-checker for those who *are* given to “fanciful ideas” in the media, in politics, and in our government.
May 7th, 2007 at 9:02 amI wonder who Brit Hume votes for? I am sure we will never know who that stalwart of journalistic integrity will vote for….He has essentially the same show as Keith Olbermann.
What maroons…
May 7th, 2007 at 12:03 pmFaiz - IF the AP reported - correctlly- that Guiliani’s campaign conplained about Olberman - why on earth should they be CRITICAL? If I was running Rudy’s campaign, I’d hate to have the lopsided keith as much as Hillary or Barack would hate seeing Rush or Sean. Their job is to report - your job is to decide……Get up off the floor tantrum boy, and dry your tears.
May 7th, 2007 at 3:06 pm