Pentagon Casts Report Of Increased Combat Stress Among Troops As Positive News
Pentagon Casts Report Of Increased Combat Stress Among Troops As Positive News
A disturbing Pentagon report finds that the more often soldiers are deployed, the more likely they are to “suffer mental health problems such as combat trauma, anxiety and depression.” The Washington Post reports some of the findings about the impact combat stress is having on the troops:
More than one-third of U.S. soldiers in Iraq surveyed by the Army said they believe torture should be allowed if it helps gather important information about insurgents, the Pentagon disclosed yesterday. Four in 10 said they approve of such illegal abuse if it would save the life of a fellow soldier.
In addition, about two-thirds of Marines and half the Army troops surveyed said they would not report a team member for mistreating a civilian or for destroying civilian property unnecessarily. “Less than half of Soldiers and Marines believed that non-combatants should be treated with dignity and respect,” the Army report stated.
Acting Army Surgeon Maj. Gen. Gale Pollock characterized the report as positive news, telling reporters: “What it speaks to is the leadership that the military is providing, because they’re not acting on those thoughts. They’re not torturing the people.”
A livid Lou Dobbs reacted to Pollack’s statement with outrage:
This leadership is putting our men and women, the finest young people we’ve ever put in uniform, into absolutely impossible situations and then taking credit for them not living out their statements on some sort of bureaucratic psychiatric form? I mean, that is despicable.
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[H]ow in the world can the leadership in that building…sit there and compliment themselves and those officers while they were extending their tours to 15 months and putting them in the most impossible of situations?
Watch it:
Transcript:
DOBBS: Yes. Jamie, do you know, when I heard that woman say that it was a statement to the leadership of the United States military that these soldiers and these Marines are not acting on these thoughts, it was a great testament to leadership, it is exactly the opposite.
This leadership is putting our men and women, the finest young people we’ve ever put in uniform, into absolutely impossible situations and then taking credit for them not living out their statements on some sort of bureaucratic psychiatric form? I mean, that is despicable.
MCINTYRE: Well, what she was saying there is it that it’s certainly understandable that people who are on the battlefield facing an enemy of trying to kill them in the most brutal way would have thoughts about torture or whatever.
DOBBS: Absolutely.
MCINTYRE: But…
DOBBS: So how in the world can the leadership in that building in which you sit, sit there and compliment themselves and those officers while they were extending their tours to 15 months and putting them in the most impossible of situations?
MCINTYRE: Well, what they’re saying is, despite all of that pressure they’re still performing very well. The — most soldiers are not…
DOBBS: Absolutely. But that’s a credit to our soldiers and our Marines in the field, and not to the leadership, either civilian or military. Particularly the general staff, in my opinion.
MCINTYRE: I will leave it to you to assign the credit.
DOBBS: I just did, partner.
MCINTYRE: All right.
DOBBS: Jamie, thank you very much.
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May 5th, 2007 at 1:10 amDespite all the pressure they are performing very well? What does that mean? Despite the crap they are going through they will still act like dogs and sit and kneel when they are told to? McIntyre, shut up, you whore.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:13 amWow the Pentagon is full of steaming smelly crap. Fire all the Generals and replace them with new ones.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:23 amWow, that was Lou Dobbs has he suddenly gotten a conscience? WTF, are they really catching on to what is really going on?
Hating the Repukian lying sacks of crap daily
May 5th, 2007 at 1:26 amLook at Dobbs sticking up for the fightin’ men and women of the Armed Forces! Well, except for those awful Mexican ones who are taking all our jobs.
Gimme a break, Lou.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:29 amPeach, Lou isn’t exactly tuned into reality. He is actually kinda dumb.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:32 amIf they’ve lost Lou Dobbs, you know that they’ve lost America.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:41 amBush, just resign already!
Lou is RIGHT this time.
However, the caption of the photo:
Lou: Timmeh!!
McIntyre: Good weed Bush gave me!!
May 5th, 2007 at 1:46 amThe infinite, twisted lie that is the Mobius Strip of Shrubworld.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:47 amOnly now Lou Dobbs is outraged -outraged, I tell ya!- by the heartless spin coming out of the White House?
Too little, too late.
As an aside, imagine the mental health problems suffered by the Iraqis, who have no way of “rotating out” of their country and who at this point have no health care of any kind to speak of. Not to mention the mental problems they will be suffering for years to come. But I am sure they only hate us for our freedoms, those ingrates.
Heckuvajob, Georgie!
May 5th, 2007 at 1:51 amLou Dobbs isn’t a late comer to calling out f’ed up things like this. I mean, he’s not a well spring of great ideas, but for a main stream media guy, he’s come down harder on Chimpy than most of his CNN colleagues and for a lot longer. So he reports something that exposes further the complete insanity that is Bush’s war and he is attacked. Kinda F’ed up if you ask me.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:01 amYeah, Uncle Lou won’t win the progressive of the year award…But he has some nice populist schtick and he has been hitting the Commander Chimp pretty hard for a while now…..
As to the military flacks who propped up Bush, they are repellent and should be flushed out of the system once reasonable people take over again.
-GSD
May 5th, 2007 at 2:28 am“More than one-third of U.S. soldiers in Iraq surveyed by the Army said they believe torture should be allowed if it helps gather important information about insurgents…”
Good for them! Back in the heyday of witchcraft and witch hunts, virtually all witches who were tortured finally admitted to being witches.
See. Torture works.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:39 amHell yeah Lou! You tell him!
May 5th, 2007 at 2:40 amI’m a journalist and you have to realize that part of journalistic integrity is not showing your own opinion – you’re a pundit or social commentator once you show opinion and if you’re doing that you should make it obvious who and what you represent.
For instance, in my job if one of my editors finds opinion they will tell me to revise!
And Lou Dobbs has a soul, part of the problem is vilifying people and making them good or evil. People are just people and everyone is prone to doing equally bad or good things.
People shouldn’t vilify Bush and Cheney (except for David Addington who is evil – haha sarcasm) and the same is said for people to stop vilifying Muslims.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:44 amComment by buzzbomb — May 5, 2007 @ 2:01 am
This man is the same fool who blasted Kofi Annan when the UN secretary said that he though the invasion of Iraq was illegal. Dobbs was outraged and called Annan’s statement a “bizarre outburst”, or something like that.
He might be right in this one instance, but that doesn’t mean he has changed his mind about the occupation of Iraq or even the invasion, for that matter. He was part of the same “liberal media” who were happy to repeat the tall tales on Iraq’s WMD and Hussein’s “ties” to AlQaeda.
The soldiers’ mental health woes are a consequence of a needless invasion he supported. His outrage almost sounds fake to me, and seems devised to distract from his own responsibility on this issue.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:49 amThey broke the military so bad.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:07 am#15, “prone”? In case you’ve been in a coma for the past 6 years, we are talking about people who have repeatedly DONE evil, criminal things.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:14 amClassify it. Classify it, quick!
May 5th, 2007 at 3:18 amOur Soldiers ain’t snitches. You guys ain’t from the streets.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:29 amJust little white burbs!
White is black, up is down. Just another day in the fantasy land called the Bush Administration. Only 637 days of these creepy bastards left
May 5th, 2007 at 4:05 amWhite is black, up is down. Just another day in the fantasy land called the Bush Administration. Only 637 days of these creepy bastards left
May 5th, 2007 at 4:05 am“Colgan went on about how Bush had failed to fulfill Reagan’s “legacy”, which is why all the candidates were trying to assume Reagan’s mantle. She listed all the alleged betrayals of St Ronnie. This is true to the extent that the GOP is avoiding the Bush “legacy” like the plague, but presenting any of the GOP candidates as some sort of “real conservative” “alternative” is misleading since it doesn’t exist. The fact is both “Smaller Government” “Less Taxes” Ronnie and Junior ran up our debt so high it effectively hamstrings anyone who comes behind them, yet there appears to be an endless fountain of money available to pay to the military-industrial complex at all costs. Both Regan and Bush have bloody foreign “legacies” that have harmed America and should never be defended. They are far more alike than they are different. Reagan could have suffered the same fate as Bush if he had decided to be as stubborn and defiant when his poll ratings sank during Iran-Contra. As it turns out he was not precisely all there, wiser heads prevailed and he was
able to leave office with some support. No Democrat should use Reagan as any sort of example of what a “good GOP” looks like: Republicans, counting on generally short memories when it comes to the negative in general, and the negative consequences to America of Regans failed policys in particular, have conceived a typically revisionist hagiography that has him somewhere between Alexander the Great, Gandhi and Houdini. Democrats ought not let the tiniest bit of light between Bush and his GOP enablers, but should rightfully
place all of them directly in the laps of Junior and the Reagan Retreads, exactly where they belong. “Going back to good Reagan conservatism” is nonsense. So-called “Conservatism” is a miserable failure no matter who’s in charge. They all operate on the same “principles.” – adapted from Hullabaloo
“Allow me to explain. Character assassination, sabotage, deception and subterfuge are not incidental to “conservative” politics but central to it. To so-called “conservatives”, politics without such things doesn’t even feel like…politics. Catch them in a relaxed moment, and they freely admit it – with relish. In 2005 I spoke as the token liberal at a “conservative” conference at the Madison Program at “Princeton University.” I put “Princeton University” in quotes because the center is in fact a humanities-and-social sciences version of the “financially independent” right-wing-funded campus front groups that allow “conservatives” to claim to speak with the authority of our great universities, even as these groups need not adhere to the very personnel standards that make these universities great in the first place. The Institute, investigator Max Blumenthal has established to what should be Princeton’s shame, is funded by “cultlike Catholic group and right-wing foundations to support gatherings of “movement activists”, fellowships for ideologically correct visiting professors and a cadre of conservative students.” It is, in fact, an institutional embodiment the very core of “conservative” politics: crafty false-front deceptions.” – adapted from Rick Perlstein
May 5th, 2007 at 4:07 am“Colgan went on about how Bush had failed to fulfill Reagan’s “legacy”, which is why all the candidates were trying to assume Reagan’s mantle. She listed all the alleged betrayals of St Ronnie. This is true to the extent that the GOP is avoiding the Bush “legacy” like the plague, but presenting any of the GOP candidates as some sort of “real conservative” “alternative” is misleading since it doesn’t exist. The fact is both “Smaller Government” “Less Taxes” Ronnie and Junior ran up our debt so high it effectively hamstrings anyone who comes behind them, yet there appears to be an endless fountain of money available to pay to the military-industrial complex at all costs. Both Regan and Bush have bloody foreign “legacies” that have harmed America and should never be defended. They are far more alike than they are different. Reagan could have suffered the same fate as Bush if he had decided to be as stubborn and defiant when his poll ratings sank during Iran-Contra. As it turns out he was not precisely all there, wiser heads prevailed and he was
able to leave office with some support. No Democrat should use Reagan as any sort of example of what a “good GOP” looks like: Republicans, counting on generally short memories when it comes to the negative in general, and the negative consequences to America of Regans failed policys in particular, have conceived a typically revisionist hagiography that has him somewhere between Alexander the Great, Gandhi and Houdini. Democrats ought not let the tiniest bit of light between Bush and his GOP enablers, but should rightfully
place all of them directly in the laps of Junior and the Reagan Retreads, exactly where they belong. “Going back to good Reagan conservatism” is nonsense. So-called “Conservatism” is a miserable failure no matter who’s in charge. They all operate on the same “principles.” – adapted from Hullabaloo
“Allow me to explain. Character assassination, sabotage, deception and subterfuge are not incidental to “conservative” politics but central to it. To so-called “conservatives”, politics without such things doesn’t even feel like…politics. Catch them in a relaxed moment, and they freely admit it – with relish. In 2005 I spoke as the token liberal at a “conservative” conference at the Madison Program at “Princeton University.” I put “Princeton University” in quotes because the center is in fact a humanities-and-social sciences version of the “financially independent” right-wing-funded campus front groups that allow “conservatives” to claim to speak with the authority of our great universities, even as these groups need not adhere to the very personnel standards that make these universities great in the first place. The Institute, investigator Max Blumenthal has established to what should be Princeton’s shame, is funded by “cultlike Catholic group and right-wing foundations to support gatherings of “movement activists”, fellowships for ideologically correct visiting professors and a cadre of conservative students.” It is, in fact, an institutional embodiment the very core of “conservative” politics: crafty false-front deceptions.” – adapted from Rick Perlstein
May 5th, 2007 at 4:08 am.
Just watch as more and more media runs from right to left as the wind is turning…
May 5th, 2007 at 4:31 amThe US President and Congress know very well what guerilla warfare does to troops, especially a war fought against people who are racially different. I can’t help suspecting that the brutalisation of the troops is wilful. What does that tell us about the kind of America the warmongers are planning for? It is reminiscent of the way the Nazis brutalised the policemen and soldiers of Germany in the 1940s by setting them loose against selected victims of occupation.
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More than 40 percent support the idea of torture in some cases, and 10 percent reported personally abusing Iraqi civilians, the Pentagon said Friday in what it called its first ethics study of troops at the war front. Units exposed to the most combat were chosen for the study, officials said…..Are we ready for when they come home ..…God Bless America!…..these troops are going to be brought home at some point and sent back to live among innocent civilians.mental health care for them is inadequate at best.
what is going to happen when they kill our innocent civilians? or look at one of us as a candidate for torture when we displease them?
they should never, ever be in this position. neither should their victims, past or future.
the madness must end..
May 5th, 2007 at 4:54 amIn case you were looking for confirmation – it became utterly apparent in this clip that Lou Dobbs does not perceive these talking head “faux journalists” to be peers, but rather agents of the Pentagon’s propaganda machine.
When you see Jamie or Barbara Star appearing on CNN as though they were “CNN Pentagon Correspondents,” it’s a lie. They are Pentagon employees, and Dobbs disgust with that relationship comes flying right through the television screen in this exchange.
Dobbs has had it with the Pentagon, and he can no longer conceal the fact that he perceives CNN’s Pentagon Corresdondents to be “the enemy of the truth.”
Barbara Starr is the worst. A total warmongering propagandist.
May 5th, 2007 at 4:55 amCREEPING MEME ALERT: “Perrino’s Husband Spent A Night In Jail For Illegal Dog Walking”: meant to convey that the authorities are not blatantly prejudiced against liberals but that they actually apply outrageously draconian policys evenhandedly. “Paris Hilton To Spend 45 Days In Jail”: Like Martha Stewart, meant to convey that justice is evenhanded, but if this is Paris’ punishment, by American standards of “Equal Protection And Justice Under The Law”, what should Cheney, Bush, Rice, Rove, Rumsfeld, etc etc etc receive? “Beck Guest Says Transvestites And Flashers Shouldn’t Be Protected Under Hate Crimes Legislation” But thousands of GOP pedophiles and predators including Foley, who is receiving a $65,000 per year pension, should be? “Rumsfeld To Receive Statesmanship Award” If that’s what’s given for swamping the ship of state, what’s given for keeping it afloat? Oh, that’s right, Impeachment for a consentual adult affair. But it wasn’t about the affair, it was about the lying. OK, let’s look at Cheney and Bush’s lying then, starting with the theft of two elections. “Prominent Client Turns The Tables On Madam”
May 5th, 2007 at 4:59 amNaturally. Do as they say, not as they do. “Richardson: Congress Should De-Authorize The War Today” Yes, but Congress was intentionally lied into the war. The appropriate action is immediate Dual Impeachment according to many millions of Americans in both parties who literally spelled it out on April 28th, in letters so large
they could be seen from space, but not, apparently, by the “Fair And Balanced” or any other “Liberal” media. Where in space are “the Democrats”? What part of Dual Impeachment do they not understand? “Giuliani Calls On Hollywood For Contributions” Since it’s all just make-believe anyway, especially betrayals like 9/11 and the treatment of genuine patriots like Pat Tillman. “40% Of Troops Think Some Torture Is Ok” Until they’re captured by the other side. Then the same 40% wholeheartedly support the Geneva Convention and Human Rights protections we don’t even have on American soil anymore, except if your name is Alberto Gonzales.
What will we say when our enemies start torturing our troops in retaliation?
May 5th, 2007 at 6:40 amJamie McIntyre and Barbara Starr are both propagandists for the military. While they usually provide many facts, it’s obvious where their loyalty lies.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:44 amAs for Dobbs, I usually thnk he is extremely opinionated and stubborn, and somewhat jingoistic; he doesn’t take criticism, and I often disagree with him, but in this case, he is justifiably outraged. Dobbs has been increasingly angry with Bush&Co for many reasons, and he does not approve of their war — he gets more furious as time goes on.
What is in store for us in the future when these soldiers return home?
May 5th, 2007 at 6:47 amHow far must our nation sink before the public really starts to pay attention? The Pentagon report is a cry for help to the American people. The Iraq war was wrong from the start, and as we further fall as a country by not challenging the lead of this Administration, I will keep asking my elected officials: Why is this Administration breaking our military? What purpose does it serve if our soldiers no longer follow our own US Military Code? What does this say about America? Call your Congress – (202) 225-3121 -tell them “enough is enough-stop funding the Iraq War”. Congress cannot act without the backbone we provide them.
May 5th, 2007 at 7:30 amPentagon has gone wild. The pathological right wing Republican Neocons must be sent to the madhouse on the shiny hill with padded cells.
May 5th, 2007 at 7:33 amre 15
It’s a little late to be calling on journalists or us regular folk to not “vilify” people. It’s been a staple of the press and recent politics since Clinton got elected. I hope you spoke up when bush was vilifying saddam. I hope you spoke up when chris matthews asked all the repub talking suits whether they thought it would be a good thing to have Clinton back in the Whitehouse. If you didn’t then don’t be suprised if you earn a concern troll label.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:23 amThere are so many eligible Republicans not serving! It’s wierd!
May 5th, 2007 at 8:35 amMore than one-third of U.S. soldiers in Iraq surveyed by the Army said they believe torture should be allowed if it helps gather important information about insurgents, the Pentagon disclosed yesterday. Four in 10 said they approve of such illegal abuse if it would save the life of a fellow soldier.
Then they deserve everything they get, Roll on Insurgents
May 5th, 2007 at 8:39 amCombat Stress Among Troops As Positive News – for Insurgents
May 5th, 2007 at 9:06 amAnother Vietnam
May 5th, 2007 at 9:17 amWhat will we say when our enemies start torturing our troops in retaliation?
Comment by Perry Logan — May 5, 2007 @ 6:40 am
They already do:
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) – An Iraqi military official said Tuesday that the bodies of two missing U.S. soldiers showed signs of torture, and that men appeared to have been killed “in a barbaric way.” Also, the umbrella group for Iraqi insurgents claimed responsibility for the soldiers’ deaths.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:20 amComment by hacker bob — May 5, 2007 @ 9:20 am
Sadly, we’ve certainly lost any moral footing to complain.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:35 am“What is in store for us in the future when these soldiers return home?”
More important, what’s in store for them? Did we really learn nothing from the Vietnam War and its aftermath?
May 5th, 2007 at 9:36 amMore than one-third of U.S. soldiers in Iraq surveyed by the Army said they believe torture should be allowed if it helps gather important information about insurgents, the Pentagon disclosed yesterday. Four in 10 said they approve of such illegal abuse if it would save the life of a fellow soldier.
This exemplifies what is wrong with the pro-torture crowd. The whole argument is built on a false premise.
Because the victim of torture will eventually confess to everything the torturers demand, the illusion is maintained that torture “saves” lives.
We have lost our sense of morality, of doing the right thing in all circumstances, for the sake of an illusion. But, perhaps our “morality” was only a pretense to begin with.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:44 amDeniz Yeter
’m a journalist and you have to realize that part of journalistic integrity is not showing your own opinion – you’re a pundit or social commentator once you show opinion and if you’re doing that you should make it obvious who and what you represent.
But of course this is impossible. The ideal opinion-less story would have a fifty-page sidebar to list all context, needed all the more in our glorious “five-minute sliding time window” age, some detailed description on the process logic that shall be used to find a conclusion, maybe some statistics, deep background on the persons involved and their possible motiviations listed in order of decreasing probability. Then a explainer showing why this story was run instead of another… endless.
So in the best case you fall back on reporting that’s onyl apparently “fair and balanced” while having a wholly opinionated subtext. Hell, even the name of the newspaper will tell you what take to expect on “facts”.
People are just people and everyone is prone to doing equally bad or good things.
Not true. People are prone to messing up equally, but some are prone to do really bad things, for all the bad reasons.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:58 amDobbs has had it with the Pentagon, and he can no longer conceal the fact that he perceives CNN’s Pentagon Corresdondents to be “the enemy of the truth.â€
I’ll drink on that.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:00 am#41,
May 5th, 2007 at 10:04 amYes, Paul, we, all of us, civilians and returning veterans are certainly going to suffer ramifications from the effects of this war. I remember the VN war and the turmoil, the returning soldiers, etc., it was an ugly time for our country. Sadly, many vets still carry scars, mentally and physically from that time. We have learned nothing since then.
We have soldiers now whose moral compass has been turned upside down and sanctioned by this pentagon. The pentagon is operating out of desperation, lack of manpower, lack of leaderhip, in an unwinnable war; the soldiers are operating out of a sense of survival for themselves and their comrades.
Will they be able to turn it off when they come home? How will they be assisted in dealing with the inevitable?
Our VA can’t handle the cases it has now — what will it do with thousands more?
What will become of these young people?
What will happen in our society as a whole?
What will become of these young people?
They will be the walking wounded. If they do not, or cannot find the path to peace within, they will be heavily medicated the rest of their lives. They will abuse themselves, and everyone they are close to. They will forever be living in a combat zone within the confines of their own mind.
What will happen in our society as a whole?
In a word: Wisdom.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:19 amAmerica’s finest fiction in uniform: Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch, and Lynndie England. Tillman murdered by his own, Lynch mythologized, and Lynndie apparently a little stressed out.
If half the troops think torture is good and that 2/3 wouldn’t report an incident and more than half think ‘insurgents’ aren’t human, why would the good doctor think he’s getting the straight dope? Seems to me when people talk about torture and murder as being okay and snitching is evil, you have to consider there’s plenty going on.
The real scandal about Lynndie England is that she was ordered to do that. That not all the pictures were released. That higher ups were not punished. That, just as Lynch and Tillman were given fake stories, England was turned into the one rotten apple.
What we have is an Army run by Christian sunday school teachers. The enemy –and anyone not American is the enemy– are all devils; the wounded are all heroic and saintly; the war criminals are all loose cannons acting alone. Suppress the deadly truths and publish the noble lies.
And don’t be surprised if there are some mass killings by “stressed out” vets in the US during the next ten years.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:41 am#21 – Ben Dover,
May 5th, 2007 at 10:42 amDon’t try to make it even worse, there are 625 days to go:
http://www.backwardsbush.com/
Every once in a while Lou Dobbs gets it right. This was one of them.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:59 amLou Dobbs is a little kooky, but he does have his moments.
Well done, Lou.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:00 amIt’s the same old song sung by this administration: black is white, white is black, don’t even think about questioning our great leaders. Shut up and drink the nice koolaid.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:21 amHad enough?
Write your congressmen and ladies, write the white house, write your newspaper, start attending political rallies and discussions. Demand answers and accountability.
HERE WE GO ALJAZEERAS MENTIONS OIL PSA NO GO FOR AMERICA
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0D09B919-D28A-4CC4-A79F-0EE500239225.htm
“The law is designed for the benefit of US oil companies,” Ramzy Salman, an Iraqi economist who worked for the Iraqi oil ministry for 30 years, said.
“If approved, it would take things back to where they were before the nationalisation of Iraq’s oil in 1972.”
But he said the situation would be reversed when Iraqis regained their “true sovereignty”.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:32 amDobbs is raising hell. Nice to see that someone other than Olbermann is speaking truth to power. These bums needs to go, yesterday.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:34 amThis is going to take years of care and effort to reverse.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:41 amThese men and women are going to be re-integrating back into society and are going to be really messed up.
Let’s agree that we should focus on taking the best care of them we can possible provide.
Before anyone goes too far out of there way to praise Lou Dobbs, please remember that it wasn’t so long ago that people on this board were praising Don Imus for his outrage over the Walter Reed fiasco.
“Concern for the troops” is a great stance for populist demagogues like Imus and Dobbs, who love to position themselves as champions of the common, working folk. Don’t be fooled into mistaking that for conscience.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:43 amIt’s times like this that dual citizenship was invented for. If liberals don’t topple this admin and knock the christian right back into their place… they can have the country for a few years and see how they like it when they’ve ruined it fully with their idiocy.
What are we waiting for? Why are they still in office?
May 5th, 2007 at 12:07 pmYes, Lou, it is indeed despicable. But these are despicable people we are dealing with.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:02 pmLou Dobbs has been a harsh critic of the Bush Administration for quite some time. He is also Pro Immigration, that is to say, Pro Legal Immigration. Why give him flack for trying to uphold the law. He is also the only guy in the mainstream media who has uncovered the Bush-International-Corporate Agenda of destroying the US Constitution and the soverignty of our nation with a master plan of turning the US Mexico and Canada into a giant Union which will be dominated by International Big Business with allegiance to no country. People who let their bias get in the way of making sound judgments are not all there. I’m a conservative republican and I can honestly say that i could be happy with a Liberal in the White House if he held American interest before international corporate interests. I was quite impressed with the Honesty of Senator Gravel in the democrat debates. The rest of the line were clearly bought and paid for Internation Corporate stooges. My own party has been hijacked by these same type of individuals. When will liberals wake up and smell the coffee, both of our parties have been hijacked.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:31 pmWhy are so many of you hung up on the support for torture in this poll.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:50 pmCan you get back to discussing Lou Dobbs already ? His insights into the military and his criticism of the Pentagon are the real story here. That’s why TP made the whole thing about him.
Are you calling for some kind of “night of the long knives” klaus ?
May 5th, 2007 at 11:53 pmYou know, the kind of power grab that would let you get on with your plans to destroy that religious group you’ve got issues with.
Any plans for annexing Austria you want to share with us ? LMAO
But, Kilo, it’s not about Dobbs, it is about torture and the stress that makes torture seems a reasonable response. What the Pentagon is reporting is the classic Catch-22. I hope Heller’s book is back on the bestseller’s list at Amazon.
May 6th, 2007 at 10:11 amNo, it’s not. There has been nothing presented that suggests a connection between stress and support for torture.
What would make you think the people so eager to kill ragheads would have a problem with torturing them on day 1 of the war ?
Have you forgotten that at the time of the invasion the 25+ million Iraq population was wholly referred to as terrorists ?
May 6th, 2007 at 8:31 pmDignity and respect for others have no place in the military. I mean, it’s not like the military is made of people, you know. These soldiers we’re losing are not living things with working brains and a conscience, they’re soldiers, and soldiers have no dignity and no respect for anyone but the command. If the command says the Geneva conventions (that other command) are not to be followed, who are they to go against that? Nothing! They don’t see the war on the ground like the commanders in the Pentagon do from their PC’s! They don’t have the thinking capacity required for the strategy that is developed in the oval office. Those strategies are never wrong!
May 7th, 2007 at 3:53 am