Romney: Pat Robertson ‘Strengthens And Nurtures The Pillars Of Our Country’
Romney: Pat Robertson ‘Strengthens And Nurtures The Pillars Of Our Country’
Former governor Mitt Romney (R-MA) delivered the commencement address today at Pat Robertson’s Regent University, praising the televangelist who has repeatedly spouted hateful and bigoted remarks.
From the excerpts of Romney’s speech released this morning: “This university, its students, its alumni and the faculty serve as an example of Dr. Robertson’s dedication to strengthening and then nurturing the pillars of this community and our country: education, fellowship, and advancement.”
Some examples of how Robertson “strengthens” and “nurtures” education and advancement in our country:
Robertson on the vote in Dover, PA in support of evolution science:
I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city.
Robertson on September 11:
Two days after the terrorist attacks, Mr. Robertson held a conversation with Jerry Falwell on Mr. Robertson’s TV show “The 700 Club.” Mr. Falwell laid blame for the attack at the feet of “the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians,” not to mention the A.C.L.U. and People for the American Way. “Well, I totally concur,” said Mr. Robertson.
Robertson on Islam:
I believe it’s motivated by demonic power. It is satanic and it’s time we recognize what we’re dealing with. … [T]he goal of Islam, ladies and gentlemen, whether you like it or not, is world domination.
Robertson on former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s stroke:
Robertson suggested that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon’s recent stroke was the result of Sharon’s policy, which he claimed is “dividing God’s land.”
Robertson on assassinating Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez:
I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it.
Robertson on the federal judiciary being a greater threat than al Qaeda:
Q: You’ve said that Liberals are engaged in an all-out assault on Christianity…and that the out-of-control judiciary, and this was in your last book “Courting Disaster” is the most serious threat America has faced in nearly 400 years of history, more serious than al Qaeda, more serious than Nazi Germany and Japan, more serious than the Civil War?
Pat Robertson: George, I really believe that.
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Romney. Yeah right. Like America is going to vote for a batshit crazy mormon in 08'. 08' is going to be a cakewalk for Democrats. Ok cue Buttboy, Patrick1, Kevin and the rest of the Fundie trolls.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:05 pmYou have got to be kidding!
May 5th, 2007 at 1:07 pmI there any wingnut's ass Romney won't kiss?
May 5th, 2007 at 1:08 pmThis guy is an idiot.
He could show at least some respect towards Islam, wtf does he think, we're back in the Middle Ages?
I don't like many things about Islam, yet I cannot say their religion is demonic.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:09 pmOk cue Buttboy, Patrick1, Kevin and the rest of the Fundie trolls.
Comment by Topper Harley
How in the world could you forget Daryll?
May 5th, 2007 at 1:10 pmSince Romney admires Robertson so much maybe he will ask him to be his running mate. Dems in '08!
May 5th, 2007 at 1:10 pmThe GOP cannot win many elections solely on the backs of the religious right. The religious right is dragging the party down, and to some extent will be responsible for its demise.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:11 pmrobertson is a 100% certified nutcase and anyone who hangs out with him is guilty by association... giuliani has (or had) a speaking engagement at regent university and i'm sure many other repub candidates will be passing through to pay homage... disgusting...
And, yes, I DO take it personally
May 5th, 2007 at 1:11 pmIt's going to take more than a nod from Robertson to get a Republican elected (that is, ANY Republican) in 2008. The neocons have destroyed the Republican Party and only a fool would think Republicans are the ones who need to be brought in to "fix" the mess they made.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:11 pmMitt Romney is trying his BEST to morph into a CONservative. Until then you can check out a REAL one here:
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2007/05/fred-thompson-speaks-to-oc-lincoln-club.html#links
May 5th, 2007 at 1:15 pmThere, I fixed the thread headline:
Romney: Pat Robertson ‘Strengthens And Nurtures The Right-Wing Hate and Intolerance in Our Country’
May 5th, 2007 at 1:17 pmDoes Romney support the Pat Robertson agenda?
May 5th, 2007 at 1:32 pmGotta love that Robertson guy. If all is well in the land of his followers, well then, that just shows that God loves them. If all is well in the land of the unsaved on the other hand, well then, God'll be bringing his wrath to them soon.
And should something unfortunate happen to these unbelievers, say a tornado, well then, in that case the wrath Pat warned about has arrived. Best bow to God quickly-- and what better way to do that than kiss Pat's feet, God's oracle here on earth? But if something equally unfortunate befall the land of the true believers, well, obviously it's because they've tolerated the disbelievers in the first place and the believers must smite them to regain his favor (why he didn't just strike the disbelievers directly being a mystery only large-mouthed, blood diamond-profitting oracles like Pat can fathom).
Confusing? Seem inconsistent? Silly common mortal, just be glad we have Pat to decode the many mysterious clues God gives us to his will. Otherwise, we might mistakenly dismiss the whole tragedy thing as random, and confuse him with a common charlatan who tries to mine tragedy for personal advantage.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:33 pmAh yes, the Good Lord's own asshat - Pat Roberston, close friend and business associate of blood-drenched, ex-Liberian dictator, chopper-offer of little boys' hands, and soon-to-be-convicted war criminal Charles Tayor.
And Mitt Romney voluntarily chooses to ally himself w/ Mr Robertson. Take a good close look, GOP - this is what you're becoming.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:38 pmAh, he's Father Coughlin redux. The radio demagogue is an American tradition. And so is this curious habit of creating religious denominations out of thin air. Robertson is no theologian. And his religious ideas would stand up if he didn't have the power of proganda behind him.
Sadly, I don't see any media outlet carrying the voice of moderate, liberal or progessive Christians. Can anyone offer me insight as to where one can find the voice of liberal Christianity in America? I know it's out there.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:39 pmWhatever became of Jimmy Swaggert and Jim Bakker?
May 5th, 2007 at 1:41 pmI wonder what Pat Robertson says those poor folks in Kansas did -- weren't they devout God-fearing Christians?
Oh, I forgot -- if somethng bad happens, its either the great big invisible man who lives up in the sky exacting retribution if you're critical of Pat Robertson soliciting money from old ladies to dig for diamonds in brutal African dictatorships -- OR -- if you're one of those old ladies dutifully sending Pat your last dollar instead of buying your medications, the great big invisible man in the sky is just, um -- testing your faith. Uh, yeah, that's it -- testing your faith.
Y'hear that Kansas? All you heathens had better self-identify and get on the train to righteousness, and all you good creationist Bible thumpers who were just as wiped out, just think of this as God showing how much He loves you.
There's no place like home.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:43 pmThat should be good for those whacko troglodytes who send money to this freaking thief.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:48 pmThey should have had Monica Goodling speak.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:53 pmThe grads could get a look at where they're headed.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/a_theobot_is_born.html
The best possible end for Killer Christians is a continuous global expose' of the fraudulence and murder they support.
May 5th, 2007 at 1:58 pmbut, but... but what about john mcCAVE ???
ooh, i bet he's jellus... all that asskissin' fer nuttin'...
May 5th, 2007 at 1:59 pmRonmey is also endorsed by Mark Foley, Pastor Ted Haggard, and Ronald Reagan's toilet seat--where all the GOP assholes hang out.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:03 pmAll the Republicans continue to court the Evangelicals... The more fake you are, the more these Conservative Evangelicals love ya!
May 5th, 2007 at 2:11 pmoh, and i'm reminded from another thread that
May 5th, 2007 at 2:13 pmmitt's favorite book is Battlefield Earth - L.ron hubbard...
what does robertson think about scientology, i wonder? ...
seems o' mitt is covering all the bases...
Unfortunately, Romney, the pillars Robertson 'strengthens' are all pillars of salt.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:16 pmIt makes you wonder what garbage Robertson or Falwell have on these guys that would make them say something like that, about people so obviously insane.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:16 pmAnd one of my favorites from Pat "666" Robertson:
"That was never in the Constitution, however much the liberals laugh at me for saying it, they know good and well it was never in the Constitution! Such language only appeared in the constitution of the Communist Soviet Union." –Pat Robertson, on the constitutional separation of church and state
Oh, and forget about these gems from Katherine "Eva Braun" Harris
"God is the one who chooses our rulers." --Rep. Katherine Harris (R-Fla.), explaining why the separation of church and state is "a lie." Harris also said, "If you are not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin."
Can't forget the "The Hammer":
"I said a little prayer before I actually did the fingerprint thing, and the picture. And my prayer was basically: 'Let people see Christ through me. And let me smile.'" --Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, on being arrested and posing for his mug shot.
And Finally:
"Did you know that Pat Robertson can leg press 2,000 pounds? How does he do it? Where does Pat find the time and energy to host a daily, national TV show, head a world-wide ministry, develop visionary scholars, while traveling the globe as a statesman? One of Pat's secrets to keeping his energy high and his vitality soaring is his age-defying protein shake. Pat developed a delicious, refreshing shake, filled with energy-producing nutrients. Discover what kinds of natural ingredients make up Pat's protein shake by registering for your FREE booklet today!" --from Pat Robertson's Web site
It's the Pat Robertson's Nazi Shake. Now you can be "God" boys and girls. With Pat Robertson's Nazi Shake, you will be able to Goose Step twice as fast. Run down to your nearest Evangelical church and run up to your minister and say you want Pat Robertson's Nazi Shake now. If he says he doesn't have any, break his knee-caps!
Side effects: Right arm swings into the air uncontrolably. A sudden urge to become a republican, and kill anything that is good. The constant urge to lie, steal, cheat, and cruize kids Birthday parties.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:20 pmThe people that follow these nuts just don't get it: fleecing the flock is a lucrative business. Anyone remember Elmer Gantry?
May 5th, 2007 at 2:22 pmThe grads could get a look at where they’re headed.
Comment by Zooey
Give her a professorship. She can conduct "Taking The Fifth - 101," or, "Ethics, Shmethics - 110."
May 5th, 2007 at 2:25 pmdear pat robertson:
You claim to be a follower of God, and a beleiver in the teachings of Jesus. Maybe you should open that Bible that you are always thumping and realize that your hate speech goes against the very teachings of our Lord and Savior.
Matt. 22:36-40
open your eyes, and realize that YOU are the single greatest threat to Christianity, not islam, not the ACLU, not whatever other group you choose to rail against, it is you sir. Jesus taught us to love others unconditionally, not viciously attack those who disagree with us. You are supposed to live your life in such a way that emulates the attitudes and demeanor of Christ, thats what it means to be a "christian"
yours
May 5th, 2007 at 2:31 pma believer in Christ
“Ethics, Shmethics - 110.â€
Comment by barfly
I'll take "Ethics, Shmethic-110" for the win, Alex. :)
May 5th, 2007 at 2:32 pmIt's a misprint. He didn't say 'pillars', he said 'pillocks'.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:32 pmMay be Romney can ask Robertson to pull him one '700 Club' prophecies, may be Robertson can show Romney something about how he can sit down and receive messages from heaven about everything from GOP candidates wins and losses to Hurricanes and weather forcecasts.
It is troubling that Pat became the GOP candidates mentor in every election to most GOP candidates. It is sad also that GOP became totally dependent on these evangelical leaders to win any elections,and to package the 'Family Values' issue for voters....but lately voters have doubts about the sincerety of such call of values.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:34 pmEver notice how TP and the progressives that post never seem to promote anything. They focus on hate. Hate is the progressive way. How about a post about what the Dem believe in? What do they stand for? What they would do about X issue? Doesn’t fit in the Hate anything and anyone that does not agree with us Progressive way but I would like to see it.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:42 pmKevin,
...Yawn...
May 5th, 2007 at 2:46 pmKevin;
The Constitution.
Your turn.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:48 pmKevin: Waaaaaaaahhh!!! I'm gonna go to the garden and eat a worm!
Use the frickin' Google to find out what Dems and Progressives stand for, lame-assed tosser.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:48 pmand who says mormon's aren't the nuttiest? let's have a competition.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:49 pmDale Austin,
Do you mean that "Goddamned piece of paper" as Dubya referred to it?
May 5th, 2007 at 2:53 pmComment by Kevin — Here's what I stand for:
May 5th, 2007 at 2:56 pmThe return of the constitution to the people of this country.
The return of the bill of rights to the people of this country.
To end American sanctioned torture.
To arrest Goerge Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Condi Rice for treason against this country.
To restore States Rights, and do away with the Federal Researve and federal taxation as we know it.
To try and recover some of the missing 3 trillion that the State Department cannot account for.
To reduce the National Debt from 8 trillion to 0
While protecting the second ammendment against fascists such as you, restricting the ability for criminal, and crazies to walk in and buy a gun.
To restore confidence in the American I used to know.
To restrict access by possible terrorist through our borders
To stop Bush's agenda to make Mexico, America, and Canada one country.
To stop Nafta, Cafta, Nafta super highway.
Mitt may as well work the turd's coattails. The US will never elect an LDS president.
Keep it up, republi-SCUM-
with the non- stop buffoon show- it just assures a Democrat, ANY Democrat, is going to win in '08.
May 5th, 2007 at 2:57 pmRocks;
Yeah, that's the one. Depessing, in'it? Not paper, either IIRC. But, when has he been right about anything?
May 5th, 2007 at 3:00 pm1. The Constitution.
Your turn.
Comment by Dale Austin — May 5, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Only if the first amendment applies to progressives and the second amendment was removed. That’s the progressive way.
1. Kevin: Waaaaaaaahhh!!! I’m gonna go to the garden and eat a worm!
Use the frickin’ Google to find out what Dems and Progressives stand for, lame-assed tosser.
Comment by Zooey — May 5, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
This is a site that supposedly promotes the Progressive agenda. I could google it. But it goes to show how bad a job this site does of promoting anything but hate.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:02 pmThe trolls on here are hilarious. The Neocons are done trolls. You here me, done. The Dems have congress and you neocons can't do shit about that. Bush's approval rating is down to 28%. He has been neutered. How's it feel to have an administration that every time they say something 72% of Americans call bullshit. 08 is going to be a breeze for Democrats. Bush's legacy and the neocon legacy is and will be one of failure. Whether it be 10, 20, 50 or 100 years from now.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:04 pmComment by Kevin — Oh and one last thing. Don't confuse unfocused hatred that you portray progressive in your last post, with a true hate for this administration and those that support it such as you. We are not passive anymore, and not going to take your bullsh!t. So go fu@k off.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:04 pm#40
Folks, don't worry about Kevin. He's just projecting. His Dear Drunken leader is at a 28% approval rating. Too funny.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:05 pmKevin;
I'm what they call a second amendment liberal. Your generalization is false. Basically, you make stuff up to smear others.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:06 pmThis is a site that supposedly promotes the Progressive agenda. I could google it. But it goes to show how bad a job this site does of promoting anything but hate.
Comment by Kevin
You really are a lazy old f*cka, aren't you?
You don't even have to use "the Google," babes, you can click on the buttons above and to the right, entitled "What we're about" and "About Thinkprogress," or you could take a gander at #37, by JTitor.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:07 pmKevin, it is very clear that many progressives at this site strongly believe in the rule of law. It is also apparent that you don't, because you believe in the cult of the leader instead. The two things are mutually exclusive.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:14 pmThis is a site that supposedly promotes the Progressive agenda. I could google it. But it goes to show how bad a job this site does of promoting anything but hate.
Comment by Kevin —
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I won't argue with you Kevin. Yep. Hate. Most here hate the agenda of the Bush administration. Duh. Our love for this country and what this administration has done to it, has brought you and I to a cross-roads. Assuming you are a boot-licking supporter of GW? If not and you just expect progressives to be pasifistic? I think you misunderstand in that most progressives align themselves with:
Moving forward; Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods.
I don't see anywhere in there that I have to be nice.
Why don't you tell us what you stand for?
May 5th, 2007 at 3:17 pm"The best possible end for Killer Christians is a continuous global expose’ of the fraudulence and murder they support.
Comment by Stephen Pitt — May 5, 2007 @ 1:58 pm"
Look at Europe. In Scandinavia, Germany and Britian, only about 1 to 2% of the population attends church regularly. Atleast 75% of these populations are Atheistic or Agnostic. It took an Inquistion, some Crusades and Hitler to expose the lack of morality of the religion and its "good" book, and turn the population away from such irrational superstitions and into a way of life that embraces Science, Humanism and reality. And then we wonder why they have lower murder rates? Isn't it obvious?
May 5th, 2007 at 3:26 pmAs a Massachusetts resident, I was thrilled with Mitt Moron decided not to stay on as Governor.
GOD help us all if this racist SOB, homophobe and in general horrible excuse for a human being becomes president.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:30 pm"a believer in Christ
Comment by Scott — May 5, 2007 @ 2:31 pm"
Actually, I disagree. The bible shows that Jesus supported the Old Testament, hate and other views that Christians claim not to support:
Jesus says, “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. ---Matthew 10:34
“Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death."
--Matthew 10:21
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. See Matthew 5:17
More at:
http://www.evilbible.com/what_would_jesus_do.htm
May 5th, 2007 at 3:34 pmit's no coincidense, i suppose, the airing of several tv shows
out recently to explain "what is a mormon?"
it couldn't hurt to give the same exposure to the
May 5th, 2007 at 3:37 pmrest of the denominations and sects...
"Ever notice how TP and the progressives that post never seem to promote anything. They focus on hate. Hate is the progressive way.
Comment by Kevin — May 5, 2007 @ 2:42 pm"
You're projecting Kevin. When you read about what we support, it makes you so angry that you read our articles and comments with that very rage you are feeling yourself, projecting your hate onto us.
We are far from hateful - not that we aren't tired of the abuse to our country by your beloved tyrant and his cabal to the point of hating their actions - but we aren't non-directionally hateful in general as you are projecting.
If Clinton were doing what Bush is doing now, I would imagine you'd be upset. And rightfully so.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:38 pmAnother thing mister tighty-whitey, got my nut huggers wrapped around my neck Kevin. This agenda by the NeoCons to pay trolls such as yourself to come in and disrupt blogs so people like Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly can say over and over again that blogs such as TP are dangerous, and full of hate. Then this gets echo'd by the NeoCon politicians and fascists such as Danny "I couldn't get freak'n job after the Partridge Family" Benaduce to spew remarks such as "they should be rounded up and thrown into concentration camps because of thier hatred", or "They support the enemy, so they should be hung". When we hear remarks like that we get a little upset. 28% still believe in this president and the NeoCon agenda. It's not working anymore. Peapole see where the true hatred is coming from and its not coming from here. Hatred isn't me saying that your a fu@king idiot. Hatred is what's spewed from FOX NEWS nightly, when they say people that don't agree with them should be sent to a concentration camp.
Again, Fu@k-off!
May 5th, 2007 at 3:40 pmWe have enough votes to run the country. And when the people say, "We've had enough," we are going to take over.
-- Pat Robertson, speech given to the April, 1980 "Washington for Jesus" rally, quoted from Robert Boston, The Most Dangerous Man in America, p. 29
If Christian people work together, they can succeed during this decade in winning back control of the institutions that have been taken from them over the past 70 years. Expect confrontations that will be not only unpleasant but at times physically bloody.... This decade will not be for the faint of heart, but the resolute. Institutions will be plunged into wrenching change. We will be living through one of the most tumultuous periods of human history. When it is over, I am convinced God's people will emerge victorious.
-- Pat Robertson, Pat Robertson's Perspective Oct-Nov 1992
We at the Christian Coalition are raising an army who cares. We are training people to be effective -- to be elected to school boards, to city councils, to state legislatures, and to key positions in political parties.... By the end of this decade, if we work and give and organize and train, THE CHRISTIAN COALITION WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA
May 5th, 2007 at 3:42 pm-- Pat Robertson, in a fundraising letter, July 4, 1991
I stand for personal rights and responsibilities. Limited government regulation. Helping my fellow man and eliminating government handouts. Taxing me for what I spend not what I make. Protecting innocent life. Punishing criminals. A color blind society. I’m about private charity helping people that need it. I’m about people resolving there own personal problems without government involvement. I support anyone’s right to get married. I believe peoples ultimate power is as a consumer. I’m all about the free market.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:43 pm"I think George Bush is going to win in a walk. I really believe that I'm hearing from the Lord it's going to be like a blowout election of 2004. It's shaping up that way. The Lord has just blessed him.... I mean, he could make terrible mistakes and comes out of it. It doesn't make any difference what he does, good or bad. God picks him up because he's a man of prayer and God's blessing him."
May 5th, 2007 at 3:45 pm-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, , January 2, 2004
Individual Christians are the only ones really -- and Jewish people, those who trust God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- are the only ones that are qualified to have the reign, because hopefully, they will be governed by God and submit to Him.
-- Pat Robertson, The 700 Club television program, January 11, 1985, defending his stance that only Christians and Jews are fit to hold public office
I never said that in my life ... I never said only Christians and Jews. I never said that.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:45 pm-- Pat Robertson, Time magazine, after having been confronted regarding his statement on The 700 Club of January 11, 1985
"Helping my fellow man and eliminating government handouts."
Those things are contradictory... Government assistance is helping your fellow man out.
"Protecting innocent life. Punishing criminals."
It's forcing women to have babies they don't want that creates criminals. Hitler was a fine example of an unwanted child.
I’m about people resolving there own personal problems without government involvement."
You seem to not understand that WE are the government (of the people, by the people, for the people ring any bells?)
"I believe peoples ultimate power is as a consumer. I’m all about the free market.
Comment by Kevin — May 5, 2007 @ 3:43 pm"
But you ignore the real power in advertizing by Corporate giants with billions to spend on making the average American need their products to the point of over-consumption? There's nothing 'free' about that marketing...
May 5th, 2007 at 3:56 pmP.S. Kevin - really, you're only all about Kevin.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:59 pmTaxing me for what I spend not what I make. Comment by Trustfund, baby.
May 5th, 2007 at 3:59 pmI’m all about the free market.
Comment by Kevin — May 5, 2007 @ 3:43 pmâ€
Where do you find this mythic "free market?" Surely you're not talking about government-subsidized big-business America? That's a hoot.
May 5th, 2007 at 4:02 pmKevin,
Cain asked God, "Am I my brother's keeper?"
Everything I ever read after that told me that the answer to that question is YES.
Get over yourself.
May 5th, 2007 at 4:08 pmI’m all about the free market.
Comment by Kevin — May 5, 2007 @ 3:43 pmâ€
Then you have to forbid corporations and speculative money. Good luck.
May 5th, 2007 at 4:09 pm"I’m about private charity helping people that need it."
Helping, with a little spiritual conversion mixed in, as well.
Will they be required to scourge themselves to receive benefits, Kevin?
Or will hair shirts be sufficient?
May 5th, 2007 at 4:15 pmWhy do I think Kevin spouted off all that crap in #55, but has never given any of it a moment's thought?
May 5th, 2007 at 4:21 pmComment by Kevin — Here’s what I stand for:
The return of the constitution to the people of this country. DONE
The return of the bill of rights to the people of this country.
DONE
To end American sanctioned torture.
SEMI-DONE
To arrest Goerge Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Condi Rice for treason against this country.
NONSENSE
To restore States Rights, SEMI-DONE
and do away with the Federal Researve and federal taxation as we know it. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN, ASK DEMS
To try and recover some of the missing 3 trillion that the State Department cannot account for.
SEMI-POSSIBLE, WILL COST REPUBS AND DEMS ALIKE
To reduce the National Debt from 8 trillion to 0
AFTER THE WAR
While protecting the second ammendment against fascists such as you, restricting the ability for criminal, and crazies to walk in and buy a gun.
LIBBIE LOONS WILL GET YA FOR THIS ONE
To restore confidence in the American I used to know.
AS SOON AS WE RETURN TO THE VALUES WE USED TO HAVE
To restrict access by possible terrorist through our borders
ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE READING THE LIBERAL HANDBOOK?
To stop Bush’s agenda to make Mexico, America, and Canada one country. THAT'S THE PINKO LIBERAL AGENDA
To stop Nafta, Cafta, Nafta super highway.
May 5th, 2007 at 4:21 pmTEXAS IS WORKING ON IT
Comment by JTitor — May 5, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
"To restore confidence in the American I used to know.
AS SOON AS WE RETURN TO THE VALUES WE USED TO HAVE
Comment by upright left — May 5, 2007 @ 4:21 pm"
Your side has never had values... It's an urban legend that has been repeatedly debunked by the Bush Regime.
May 5th, 2007 at 4:26 pm"To stop Bush’s agenda to make Mexico, America, and Canada one country. THAT’S THE PINKO LIBERAL AGENDA
Comment by upright left — May 5, 2007 @ 4:21 pm"
You're full of it:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/24/tancredo-bush-merge-mexico/
May 5th, 2007 at 4:30 pmby freaks
for freaks
May 5th, 2007 at 4:30 pmWow! There's a solid reason to never vote for Romney! Hitch your wagon to hypochristians like Robertson or Falwell, and your wagon's bound to fall apart! I wonder if Romney even realizes that most people (with a free & functioning mind) think televangelists like the two aforementioned assholes (and countless other monkeys just like them) are laughed at the world over?!
May 5th, 2007 at 4:40 pmThinkProgress forgot another Pat Robertson quote with regard to former governor Mitt Romney (R-MA):
"A cult is any group that has a form of godliness, but does not recognize Jesus Christ as the unique son of God."....."One test of a cult is that it often does not strictly teach that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God who HImself is God manifested in the flesh."......"Christian-oriented cults include:
***the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or Reorganized Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons)***,
the Worldwide Church of God, Christian Science, Unity, Unitarianism, The Way International, Rosicrucian Society of America, Bahai, Hare Krishna, Scientology, the Unification Church, and the Jehovah's Witnesses."--CBN pamphlet entitled "Cults," dated 1992.
Good old Faux-Christian Pat Robertson, inviting one of the CBN-identified "Christian-oriented cultists" into his University to preach his "cult's" message. Good going Pat! ANYTHING for POWER and RICHES, in order to hornswoggle the public, right, Hypocrite Pat?
May 5th, 2007 at 4:57 pmKevin, not sure where you are coming from? Are you for the present administration? If so you are not going to get a lot of fan fair in here.
Regarding "Limited government regulation", do you mean federal, state, county, city...all? Regarding "eliminating government handouts"; totally agree; the 120 billion a year the government uses to bail out corporations needs to be stopped. "Taxing me for what I spend not what I make"; agree here as well. We need to do away with privately owned Federal Researve, and have a flat tax that is fair. I feel a tax of 15%, with 5% of that tax can go to what you want it too. "Punishing criminals"...thats a given. A "color blind society"; again a given. "I’m about private charity helping people that need it"; many homeless are mentally ill. Private organizations don't have the mechanism to tackle this issue. "I’m about people resolving there own personal problems without government involvement"; would you include law enforcement? .
May 5th, 2007 at 5:00 pmYour side has never had values…
Comment by unbelievable — May 5, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
Everyone understands if you need to believe that. I'd hate to belong to the group that is responsible for the filth in our society, too. UNBELIEVABLE!
May 5th, 2007 at 5:11 pmComment by JTitor — May 5, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Flat tax of 15%? Punishing criminals?
May 5th, 2007 at 5:19 pmYour progressive credentials are seriously in doubt here.
Good going Pat! ANYTHING for POWER and RICHES, in order to hornswoggle the public, right, Hypocrite Pat?
Comment by hterrya — May 5, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
of course !!! ... it's ROBERTSON who is covering all the bases…
May 5th, 2007 at 5:20 pmthat point escaped me till now... of course! ...
they're ALL CYA's...
i would agree with you, but those quotes are taken severly out of context.
if you read on to matthew 10:22-23, JEsus continues on to describe how his teachings will divide families
10:22 Everyone will hate you because of me. But whoever holds out to the end will be saved.
10:23 When they persecute you in one town, run away to another one. I assure you that you will not finish your work in all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
so that verse actually points to how his followers will be persecuted, not necessarily that we should go out and put our familys to death
now with that said, we should not at the same time forsake our devotion to Christ to follow our families. that is acutally shown in matthew 10:34-36 which is the continuation of another one of your quotes
10:34 "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the world. No, I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
10:35 I came to set sons against their fathers, daughters against their mothers, daughters-in-law against their mothers-in-law;
10:36 your worst enemies will be the members of your own family.
10:37 "Those who love their father or mother more than me are not fit to be my disciples; those who love their son or daughter more than me are not fit to be my disciples
that portion of scripture shows in pretty graphic language (which Jesus wasnt afraid to use) that our devotion to Christ should depend on that which is perfect (God) as opposed to that which is imperfect (human nature) that is a point that can be debated, but if you are a follower of Christ, then it should make sense in terms of faith and belief. remember also, that Jesus at the time was advocating a belief that to the Jewish people of the time went agains their basic beliefs hence why he speaks of families being divide, for at the time, to follow Christ was to go against ones own family
regarding matt. 5:17, that is actually an indictment of people like mr robertson. he uses v17-19 to continue on and say what Law he speaks of, and how after his mission is accomplished ("it is finished" as he said on the cross) that the law stands. he uses it in V20 to speak of the false righteousness of the pharisees (people like pat robertson) and to imply that the righteousness of his followers must be based not only on the letter of the law
20I tell you, then, that you will be able to enter the Kingdom of heaven only if you are more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees in doing what God requires.
i am open to debate the basic tenets of christianity, but please try not to take scripture out of context to twist it into something that it is not.
a beleiver in christ.
May 5th, 2007 at 5:36 pmLet me help clear things up. I don’t agree with the President on every issue. I would say that most issues I don’t agree. But I don’t hate the man. I think the man has made some honest mistakes but he is by and large a good man. ( think the same of Jimmy Carter and he was a horrible president.) I am all about ending cooperate welfare. If a company fails it fails. The market will eliminate the inefficient and unprofitable companies.
Oh and I support the fair tax.
May 5th, 2007 at 5:36 pmFlat tax of 15%? Punishing criminals?
Your progressive credentials are seriously in doubt here.
Comment by upright left —
Please don't take away my Prog credentials. It would have to become...I can't say it....a, aaaa Republican.
May 5th, 2007 at 5:39 pm“I’m about people resolving there own personal problems without government involvementâ€; would you include law enforcement? .
Comment by JTitor — May 5, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
That goes back to punishing criminals.
May 5th, 2007 at 5:40 pmThe anti-Progressives were expected much sooner, but Rove has had his hands full lately.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/pinkys_load.html
http://www.light-to-dark.com/cut_n_run.html
http://www.light-to-dark.com/coffee_tea_or_treason.html
The Bush Dictatorship is ending, painfully and spectacularly.
May 5th, 2007 at 5:43 pmComment by Scott — Scott, sorry for flaming you up and down the blog. I see that your probably not a troll, and your convictions in Christ are good. Hopefully, you blog here more often, and again except my apologies.
May 5th, 2007 at 5:48 pmRobertson also supplies wingnuts to our wingnuts in the GOP.
Never has it been more evident that religion should be no where near government.
Devoutly religous people are the most dangerous people on earth because they do not know the difference between right and wrong.
May 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pmPlease don’t take away my Prog credentials. It would have to become…I can’t say it….a, aaaa Republican.
Comment by JTitor — May 5, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
There now, dontcha feel better?
May 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pmComment by Kevin — I'm sorry Kevin, I'm not understanding your statement/question?
May 5th, 2007 at 5:50 pmComment by JTitor
no prob... i usually just read, but occaisionally i get truly pissed off by some of the crap that pat robertson says
May 5th, 2007 at 5:59 pmRomney has shown us that his pandering has no limit.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:08 pmHe would embrace the batshit crazy religious wacko, who has made a gazillion dollars in his corrupt diamond mine operation, who takes money every week from the gullible, who has uttered the indefensible comments noted above, and that in itself is reason enough to leave Romney at the starting gate.
That picture is begging for a Caption Contest. :-D
May 5th, 2007 at 6:12 pmmeh...
i'm gonna have to go ahead and...uhhhhh disagreee...yeeaahhh...mmmkay?
May 5th, 2007 at 6:12 pm#72/ Unfotunately, you are. Repugs are heavily invested in the porn industry. Especially, Faux news owner Rupert Murdoch.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:13 pmIs it me or has Romney recently eaten some paint chips? Not that I was ever a fan but between his shout outs to L. Ron Hubbard and Pat Robertson I think even Brigham Young would be a-feared.
AF
May 5th, 2007 at 6:19 pmNico - Hmmmm....I thought Romney was running - not Robertson....I don't really care as I'm working to draft Fred Thompson who was just here in So Cal.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:25 pmI like Fred Thompson as well.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI’m working to draft Fred Thompson who was just here in So Cal.
Comment by valiant venus
An actor with gravitas.
Maybe Stephen Colbert could be his running mate?
Heh.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:30 pmDon't drink the mitt poison..
May 5th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThinking of little boys strengthens my pillar!
May 5th, 2007 at 6:36 pm#72/ Unfotunately, you are. Repugs are heavily invested in the porn industry. Especially, Faux news owner Rupert Murdoch.
Comment by Al — May 5, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Sorry Al, I'm not up on who funds porn. But I do know which groups support the positions that have led to porn being readily available, as well as the other liberal, new age, global perspective stuff that have given us our current social problems that didn't exist at the time in question (when our society had values rather than "if it feels good do it")
May 5th, 2007 at 6:38 pmHe is such a freaking phony.
Not one peep about religion out of him while he was Gov. here.
You all know about his flip flop re: gay rights?
Total sell-out.
Glad to be rid of him.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:39 pm#14 David:
May 5th, 2007 at 6:39 pmhttp://www.faithfulamerica.org/
Fred Thompson would be able to get his lines right, unlike our current leader. I just want to know who will be writing his script. The American voter has gotten pretty sophisticated/awake , with $3 gas and a disaster in the Middle East, and won't fall for an Actor President like Reagan....likeable but wrong a lot.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:42 pmThe republicans have a RECORD now, and it is not helping them.
And as far as the Flat TAX....why not? the world is.:)
Sorry Al, I’m not up on who funds porn. But I do know which groups support the positions that have led to porn being readily available, as well as the other liberal, new age, global perspective stuff that have given us our current social problems that didn’t exist at the time in question (when our society had values rather than “if it feels good do itâ€)
Comment by upright left
You really live in your own little dream world, don't you?
Dems support the rights given to us in the Constitution. Repubs are the ones denying their sexuality to the point of perversion, and are the most out of control in terms of their sexuality -- i.e. buying porn, internet porn addiction, cheating on their wives, f*cking little kids - -it's epidemic.
Do you actually believe there has been a time in our society where these problems didn't exist? Dream on! Who's been in power most of the last 20 years? And things have been going to hell during what span of time?
Wake up, halfwit.
May 5th, 2007 at 6:45 pmOh, goody. It's a troll who believes in the Good Old Days when we had no social problems. Got to miss the days when straight white men of property were respected. (The straight white men buying so much of that porn, of course, but still . . . those were the days.)
May 5th, 2007 at 6:49 pm"our current social problems that didn’t exist at the time in question (when our society had values rather than 'if it feels good do it'".
Ah yes, those good old "Happy Days" when all the white kids could hang around the malt shoppe, be gloriously asexual, and out commies!
May 5th, 2007 at 7:04 pmAwww, gummitch. TP didn't like your "probe" joke. :(
May 5th, 2007 at 7:12 pm"as well as the other liberal, new age, global perspective stuff"
Ah ... typically precise "conservative scholarship."
"Uh huh, uh huh, all that stuff out there I know nothing about - THAT stuff, which I'm sure exists because I have a big old stomach-ache about it, THAT STUFF is really and truly to blame for all the, umm, big big societal problems I'm just as vague about expressing."
May 5th, 2007 at 7:13 pmAwww, gummitch. TP didn’t like your “probe†joke. :(
Comment by Zooey
Ack. I'm being censored! Damn librul haters!!
May 5th, 2007 at 7:31 pmComment by Zooey — May 5, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
Are you so fixated that you can't see any other issue Zoo-baby. How about things like respect for authority? Liberals thought that was unnecessary and now we have many more thugs attacking police officers and old ladies, and kids attacking teachers. How about taking responsibility for your kids. Since marriage doesn't mean anything anymore, parents have an easy out. And once they are out of the house, it's not so much of a stretch to be out of the kid's lives. Liberal sentencing for criminals (child molesters) sound familiar? And don't even try to say these are all because the governement doesn't spend enough money on the problems. Personal responsibility doesn't cost a thing, but it does require you to think about something other than your own pleasure and your rights. Sorry, zoo, but it ain't all about you. Grow up
May 5th, 2007 at 7:32 pm"Personal responsibility doesn’t cost a thing, but it does require you to think about something other than your own pleasure and your rights."
Ergo, Communism is good. No?
May 5th, 2007 at 7:37 pmUpright Left. Respect for authority is a double edged sword. Hitler wanted respect for authority. How about respect for legitimate authority. And liberals consider it part of their life burden to decide what is legitimate. Too nuanced for ya???
May 5th, 2007 at 7:39 pm"Personal responsibility doesn’t cost a thing, but it does require you to think about something other than your own pleasure and your rights."
As with so many things, Bill Hicks said it best:
"YOU ARE FREE - TO DO AS WE TELL YOU! YOU ARE FREE - TO DO AS WE TELL YOU!"
May 5th, 2007 at 7:41 pmErgo, Communism is good. No?
Comment by Bernard Quatermass — May 5, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
Sorry, Bernie, no. Communists are only concerned about themselves (making sure no one has any more than they do) just like those who cry that they have a right to do anything they want to do as long as they cause no direct physical harm to others. Having a free society requires that the people take some responsibility. Just because you are permitted to do something doesn't mean it's a good thing to do.
May 5th, 2007 at 7:50 pm"How about things like respect for authority? Liberals thought that was unnecessary and now we have many more thugs attacking police officers and old ladies, and kids attacking teachers."
Ah, yes, this is an obvious case of cause and effect: all sprung from LIBERALS expressing a "question authority" standpoint! There couldn't be any other cause for any of these societal issues. It's so obvious - how could I have missed it?
How clearly now I remember the day when all we LIBERALS stood up and as a robotic, commie pinko dragqueen unit proclaimed "henceforth we question all authority - citizens, do as you will!" and all the gullible people followed our directive. It was so easy. Mwah hah hah, and all that. So easy to spread our evil!
And it would have worked, too, if it wasn't for you meddling brainiacs like upright left, with your laser like social visions.
May 5th, 2007 at 7:53 pm"Communists are only concerned about themselves (making sure no one has any more than they do) just like those who cry that they have a right to do anything they want to do as long as they cause no direct physical harm to others."
That is a FASCINATING reading of Marx, unprecedented I am sure!
May 5th, 2007 at 7:54 pmHitler wanted respect for authority....Too nuanced for ya???
Comment by Badger — May 5, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
Your way of avoiding admitting maybe things have gone too far? I'm almost certain that every person reading this recognizes your diversion and that we all knew someone would respond with Hitler.
May 5th, 2007 at 7:57 pmCongrats weasel..I mean badger
Ok, let's take this point by point, shall we, upright left?
Are you so fixated that you can’t see any other issue Zoo-baby. How about things like respect for authority?
I was addressing the issue you raised. I have great respect for authority. I worked in the legal field for 14 years. However, I do not respect authority which is being abused, and neither should you.
Liberals thought that was unnecessary and now we have many more thugs attacking police officers and old ladies, and kids attacking teachers. How about taking responsibility for your kids.
Liberals thought obeying the law was unnecessary? That's rich, since it seems cons are being investigated all over the damned place. The social problems behind thugs are legion, and won't be solved overnight, but it's not a liberal problem, it's a society problem. white kids who look all respectable don't get noticed by the police, set alone arrested.
Since marriage doesn’t mean anything anymore, parents have an easy out. And once they are out of the house, it’s not so much of a stretch to be out of the kid’s lives.
So you know what goes on inside every marriage, do you? When I got married, it was with the idea that I would not be getting divorced. But when that marriage turned out to be abusive I got the hell out -- and I was glad there was an easy out. I guess that's a problem for you. My sons are out of the house, on their own, productive and liberal members of society. I am out of their lives, unless invited in. That's the way it's supposed to be.
Liberal sentencing for criminals (child molesters) sound familiar? And don’t even try to say these are all because the governement doesn’t spend enough money on the problems.
Liberals don't sentence criminals, Judges do. And last time I looked most of the judges I know are conservative. They enforce the laws passed by the people -- you know, the conservatives who have been in power for the last 20 odd years.
Personal responsibility doesn’t cost a thing, but it does require you to think about something other than your own pleasure and your rights.
I am all for personal responsibility. It's how I live my life, and the way I taught my sons to live. Not everyone has someone teaching them that concept, and I'm not judging anyone for it. But I will try to help them work it out for themselves.
Do you have a problem with people getting pleasure from their lives? Maybe you should go out and get some of that. There's little enough love and compassion in this world, and if someone finds it, I'm happy for them. It's our right to pursue happiness. Again, a problem for you?
Sorry, zoo, but it ain’t all about you. Grow up
Comment by upright left
I never claimed in any part of the comment you are responding to, that any of it was about me. YOU did that. You are delusional. Take personal responsibility for that.
I'm already grown up, thanks.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:00 pmlemmie get this straight; a devout mormon getting talking points from a bible beating evangelical? no wonder why the GOP is going down in flames
May 5th, 2007 at 8:08 pmComment by Bernard Quatermass — May 5, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
Feel better now Bernie? I hear they caught the slimeball that was caught on tape beating the old lady and stealing her purse a while back. What punishment should he get? I bet he feels "marginalized" and "discriminated against." Is it unfair that she had more than he did? What do think bernsie?
May 5th, 2007 at 8:09 pmupright left,
So you feel it necessary to refer to fellow posters and human beings by derogatory terms?
Guess we know what that makes you.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:09 pmSince marriage doesn’t mean anything anymore, parents have an easy out. And once they are out of the house, it’s not so much of a stretch to be out of the kid’s lives.
comment by uptight right
I'm not going to take the time to respond to all your sweeping, non-factual generalizations. However, the divorce rate is higher in the so-called conservative red states than in the liberal blue states, so your attempt to blame the divorce rate and juvenile deliquency on liberals does not hold any water.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:10 pmLora,
Guess where divorce is the lowest?
MA! Where we have Same Sex Marriage!
Woo-Hoo!
:)
May 5th, 2007 at 8:13 pmUpright left. I said ...liberals burden for determining what was legitimate authority was Nuanced. And some things HAVE gone too far. Are you saying that we all should blindly respect authority??? You said liberals think respect for authority was Unnecessary. Bullsh*t. Liberals think respect for illegitemate Authority is Immoral.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:13 pmI’m not going to take the time to respond to all your sweeping, non-factual generalizations. However, the divorce rate is higher in the so-called conservative red states than in the liberal blue states, so your attempt to blame the divorce rate and juvenile deliquency on liberals does not hold any water.
Comment by Lora
You're so much better than me. :-)
I live in one of the reddest states in this country, but I did literally hundreds, if not thousands of divorces over the years. The smallest percentage of those divorces were between liberal couples.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:14 pmDo liberals bother to get married?? I mean the heterosexual ones....
May 5th, 2007 at 8:22 pmKill it with fire!
May 5th, 2007 at 8:24 pmI'm an agnostic. I think Robertson is an idiot. But, I also believe that you could do a compilation of stupid Ghandi quotes and paint him out to be an idiot, too.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:27 pmDo liberals bother to get married?? I mean the heterosexual ones….
Comment by valiant venus
You're so funny.
But looks aren't everything...
May 5th, 2007 at 8:31 pmBadger - Good , lockstepping Progs DO NOT whine about gas prices. Environmentalists have been encouraging HIGHER gas prices for years - If Dems wanted to ease the plight of middle America's gas crunch they could go after the biggest profiteers per gallon of gas....the federal and state governments.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:31 pmBut, I also believe that you could do a compilation of stupid Ghandi quotes and paint him out to be an idiot, too.
Comment by paul
Comparing Ghandi to Robertson? Wow.
Why don't you go ahead and work on that compilation. I'd love to see it.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:32 pm#117 true blue,
May 5th, 2007 at 8:35 pmYes, I am aware that Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate; I simply didn't include it in my comment above.
It's also a sweeping generalization to claim, like uptight right, that divorced parents aren't involved with their children's upbringing and to imply that children of divorced families are more likely to become deliquent. I believe that the Columbine High School killers and the more recent VA Tech assassin all came from two-parent homes. Ditto for the far less dangerous but certainly hedonistic spoiled brat Paris Hilton.
In my own case, my parents were divorced, but I saw my father regularly. Moreover, after my mother remarried, my stepfather was also involved in my upbringing. I went on from public school education to Ivy League undergraduate and graduate degrees and remain a law-abiding member of society.
Do liberals bother to get married?? I mean the heterosexual ones….
Comment by vile venus
Do neoCONs bother to get divorced? Ask Wolfowitz, Rev. Ted and Tobias about that.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:39 pmHow much of Robertson's evil empire is tax exempt?
May 5th, 2007 at 8:45 pm"Ok, let’s misconstrue what you said point by point, shall we, upright left?"
FIXED THE LITTLE ERROR IN YOUR FIRST STATEMENT FOR YA, ZOOMETTE
The issue was values in our society in everyday life, zoomey. Respect for police officers and our laws, (let's just avoid the corrupt police thing right here- they exist, we all know it, they are the minority, it doesn't excuse general disrespect for the law) not whether you respect George Bush. Respect for school teacher's authority so kids don't think they can get away with assaulting teachers because momma will call the ACLU and the media to take the kids side.
"And last time I looked most of the judges I know are conservative."
MOST being the key word here.
"I am all for personal responsibility. It’s how I live my life, and the way I taught my sons to live. Not everyone has someone teaching them that concept, and I’m not judging anyone for it. But I will try to help them work it out for themselves."
Is not having someone to teach you the concept an excuse for committing crime?
"Do you have a problem with people getting pleasure from their lives? Maybe you should go out and get some of that. There’s little enough love and compassion in this world, and if someone finds it, I’m happy for them. It’s our right to pursue happiness. Again, a problem for you?"
My life is quite joyous, I assure you zoo. People definitely have the right to persue happiness. But if the place you find it is offensive to the majority, it's probably best not to flaunt it. Especially if the majority doesn't make a habit of flaunting theirs.
"I never claimed in any part of the comment you are responding to, that any of it was about me. YOU did that."
You are defending the liberal position and the liberal position is all about "I want..."
"I’m already grown up, thanks."
Comment by Zooey — May 5, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
I'll just let that one stand.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:46 pmGood , lockstepping Progs DO NOT whine about gas prices.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:49 pmMaybe not, but American Voters do.Probably another reason for Bush's popularity. Our transportation system looks like it was designed in Saudi Arabia. Obviously the much touted Invisible Hand of Adam Smith is a bit slow out of the box. Maybe those gas taxes which have funded an explosion of road building should be used by municipalities to buy Diesel Hybrid Garbage Trucks. When they are stopped, they are using NO Energy. When they brake, they are making energy. Perfect for stop and go driving. But if you think that goverment is the problem, and not the solution...then you have to hope that Detroit comes thru for ya.
Zooey. After reading it a second time. yes. the Ghandi/Robertson comparasion is OVER THE TOP.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:49 pmSeparation of church & state forever.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:50 pmLora,
It's almost 9:00pm on a Saturday night, and my (17yo) daughter is home playing "Super Paper Mario."
Her dad and I never married, because we didn't believe in divorce, but yet we practically live together to be able to co-parent our daughter.
The haggette, and dare I say most repub's, could never come to such an arrangement to keep the family intact.
I applaud your (extended) family to come together and give you the support you deserved.
:)
May 5th, 2007 at 8:56 pmI’ll just let that one stand.
Comment by upright left
Yes, I think "misconstrue" is the correct word -- for everything in your response. I noticed you left out several items -- didn't have a snappy comeback for those?
You are simply an authoritarian homophobe. There's nothing I can do about that. So I won't waste any more of my time.
See ya in hell.
May 5th, 2007 at 8:57 pmZooey. After reading it a second time. yes. the Ghandi/Robertson comparasion is OVER THE TOP.
Comment by paul
Turned out to be a bit of a job, eh paul? :D
May 5th, 2007 at 8:57 pmOkay, I have no idea what word I'm using that's sending my posts to the memory hole. It can't be Jesus, can it?
May 5th, 2007 at 9:05 pmupright left,
So you feel it necessary to refer to fellow posters and human beings by derogatory terms?
Guess we know what that makes you.
Comment by trueblue — May 5, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
Do you have ANY manners?
May 5th, 2007 at 9:05 pmPat Robertson mistook the Invisible Hand of Adam Smith for that of the Lord.
May 5th, 2007 at 9:07 pm"That picture is begging for a Caption Contest."
My thoughts exactly. How about:
"Jeebus, Haggard, how 'bout applyin' some K-Y next time!!"
May 5th, 2007 at 9:13 pm#139 gorn,
May 5th, 2007 at 9:25 pmThanks for the chuckle.
Caption:
"Whooooeeeeee! THERE'S that other microphone!"
May 5th, 2007 at 9:31 pmtrueblue. so, if you aren't married, what are my odds for a single mom hook-up?
May 5th, 2007 at 9:31 pmDeadly storms continue to rake Plains
So, is Pat Robertson going to blame the people of Greensburg for bringing down God's wrath? This is the heart of Red States, for Christ's Sake!
May 5th, 2007 at 9:32 pmI'm a single mom, paul, and I just lost my trailer to the tornado in Kansas, any chance of a a hookup?
May 5th, 2007 at 9:41 pmMy ex is a Republican, does that count?
#143 BnF
May 5th, 2007 at 9:47 pmMaybe the Rev. Rottenscum will find some liberal there to blame it on.
trueblue. so, if you aren’t married, what are my odds for a single mom hook-up?
Comment by paul
You should run this by Mrs Paul, don't you think?
May 5th, 2007 at 9:49 pmDorothy. I guess I'm going to have to take a pass. Zooey is always trying to buzz kill me by bringing up the fact that I'm married.
Dorothy. Kansas. Tornado. Hmmm. Let me talk with Mrs. paul and I'll get back to you.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:04 pmHow did this guy ever get elected in Massassachusetts? Perhaps the same voting machines used by Giuliani in New York City? Look for Romney to challenge Pat Robertson's world leg press record of 2,000 pounds (beating the previous record by 665 pounds). Maybe they could both appear on national television to display their superhuman strength (with independent verification, of course) and quiet those naysayers who might doubt Robertson's incredible claims (think of the ratings, particularly since we are currently in the midst of a "sweeps" month). Even if Romney doesn't get elected, maybe he could get a piece of the action from any increase in sales for Robertson's protein power shakes.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:10 pmCorrection: My apologies to those residents of the great state of Massachusetts. Somehow, in the process of writing about Romney, I accidentally added four letters to the name of your state. Believe me, it's all about him, not you.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:14 pmDorothy. I guess I’m going to have to take a pass. Zooey is always trying to buzz kill me by bringing up the fact that I’m married.
Comment by paul
You'll have more luck with women married to conservatives anyway.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:14 pmHigh frustration level, I'm guessing...
Somehow, in the process of writing about Romney, I accidentally added four letters to the name of your state. Believe me, it’s all about him, not you.
Comment by curmudgeon
I thought you were being funny! But then, I don't live in Massassassass...nevermind. :D
May 5th, 2007 at 10:18 pmCorrection #2 -- That would be three additional letters, not four. In my haste to correct the error, I miscounted. Now I've admitted to two mistakes in the past ten minutes -- guess that disqualifies me for a job with the Bush Administration.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:20 pmNot only have you admitted your errors, you went back and checked your work.
May 5th, 2007 at 10:27 pmThat alone would have disqualified you...........
;)
I thought you were being funny! But then, I don’t live in Massassassass…nevermind. :D
Comment by Zooey
Aren't you an Ida-ho?
:-)
May 5th, 2007 at 11:27 pmI could never vote for anyone who has to suck up to the Talibaptists. Which means I'd never vote for a repub for President. And that's too bad.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:46 pmRomney makes Roberston look sane.
May 5th, 2007 at 11:47 pmAren’t you an Ida-ho?
:-)
Comment by gummitch
I am. But I ain't da ho.
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May 6th, 2007 at 12:46 amAbsolutely perfect, VietnamVet. Excellent comparison.
May 6th, 2007 at 1:06 amIt is difficult for me so see how praising Robertson gains Romney any ground. An issue for him, because of his religion, is that people worry about ihs going over the religious edge.
This certainly doesn't help promote the image he has been trying to promote so far.
May 6th, 2007 at 1:57 amSee ya in hell.
Comment by Zooey — May 5, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
No ya won't, but possibly you could phone me and let me know how it is.
"Do you have ANY manners?"
Comment by trueblue — May 5, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
Yeah, blue, manners..on this site? I've seen how the nice folks are savaged around here. Why don'tcha check zoo's responses around this site for manners. Come on back with a comparison of hers to mine. If my language is worse than hers, I'll apologize. Being nice doesn't fly around here.
May 6th, 2007 at 2:15 am"[T]he goal of Islam, ladies and gentlemen, whether you like it or not, is world domination. "
hypocrite Robertson what about ecumenism and Big Brother? you're definitely into all that! you are aiming at world domination too! Pat Robertson you're one of those guys that will trick people gloryfying the antichrist to such an extent that will make him look Godly blurring that thin line that separates God from Satan thanks to you many people will think that the antichrist is God
May 6th, 2007 at 2:31 amHowever, the divorce rate is higher in the so-called conservative red states than in the liberal blue states, so your attempt to blame the divorce rate and juvenile deliquency on liberals does not hold any water.
Comment by Lora — May 5, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
Ya gotta get married before you can get divorced.
#119 "I live in one of the reddest states in this country, but I did literally hundreds, if not thousands of divorces over the years. The smallest percentage of those divorces were between liberal couples."
Comment by Zooey — May 5, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
I know you'll forgive me, but I think we need a little better verification than that. And I never said there are no good divorced parents. But you'd be lying if you said you weren't aware of any families where the non-custodial parents drifted out of the kids lives or dropped out all together, now wouldn't ya? You can't address every possible scenario in every post, so why don't we try to address the actual post for the sake of argument.
May 6th, 2007 at 2:35 amBut you’d be lying if you said you weren’t aware of any families where the non-custodial parents drifted out of the kids lives or dropped out all together, now wouldn’t ya? You can’t address every possible scenario in every post, so why don’t we try to address the actual post for the sake of argument. (Question mark required here)
Comment by uptight right —
Yes, I'm aware of such families, and I'm aware that not all children raised in them grow up to be criminals, either. And, of course, you didn't deny or address the fact that some of the most notorious young killers like the Columbine High and the VA Tech murderers came from two-parent homes. You'd be better taking your own advice and by not trying to address every possible scenario in every post.
May 6th, 2007 at 2:42 amYa gotta get married before you can get divorced.
comment by uptight right
The red states also have a higher rate of unwed teenage pregnancies.
May 6th, 2007 at 2:50 am"The red states also have a higher rate of unwed teenage pregnancies."
Comment by Lora — May 6, 2007 @ 2:50 am
Cause those teens didn't grow up in two parent households? Cause the teen's parents were absent or substance abusers? Cause those states have higher population? C'mon now, Lora, you didn't earn an Ivy League graduate degree this way, did ya?
May 6th, 2007 at 3:05 amYou’d be better taking your own advice and by not trying to address every possible scenario in every post.
Comment by Lora — May 6, 2007 @ 2:42 am
Is it getting a little late for ya, Lora? I didn't try to address every possible scenario because it isn't possible in a forum like this? We have neither the time, nor the space, and it gets very boring reading through these loooong posts. Of course some kids from two parent households are criminals. If not, more parents would stay together just for that reason, right? You avoided addressing any of the societal ills that have gotten worse as our society has gotten more liberal. Instead, you jump to things like Columbine to detract from the argument. I admit there are things that have gotten better because our society has gotten more liberal. Why can you not admit that all the change hasn't been for the better? Does your chosen party have to be right all the time in order for you to support it? Admitting that some of the changes that have resulted from liberal ideas are not good doesn't make you a traitor to the cause, ya know? One of your fellow libs acknowledged it earlier. C'mon, admit the liberal agenda isn't perfect. You'll feel better for it. ;)
May 6th, 2007 at 3:18 amIs it getting a little late for ya, Lora? I didn’t try to address every possible scenario because it isn’t possible in a forum like this? ....
If not, more parents would stay together just for that reason, right? You avoided addressing any of the societal ills that have gotten worse as our society has gotten more liberal.
comment by uptight right
While writing at 3:18 am EST, you ask me if it's a little late for me but don't seem to think it's late for you, do you? Do you realize that there are different time zones in the world--even within the USA? In the time zone I'm in, it hasn't been late. I really don't care to address all the sweeping generalizations made by a guy(gal?) who doesn't even know the difference between an ordinary statement (requiring a period) and a question (requiring a question mark), because it is getting late where I am and it's also not worth my time. But you also don't seem to realize which party has been in control most of the time in recent decades. Oh, yes, the decadence of Rev. Ted, Mark Foley, ex-Deputy Secretary of State Tobias, Jimmy Swaggert, Tom Delay, Randy Cunningham, etc. is all the fault of increased liberalism, eh? Give me a break!
May 6th, 2007 at 5:38 amPs. I will definitely not answer to any more messages calling me "ya."
Pps. Unwed teen pregnancy is higher in the red states, mainly because abstinence-only education is a failure. In California, for example, where many schools also teach about birth control options, the rate of unwed teen pregnancy has been dropping.
Comment by Scott — May 5, 2007 @ 5:36 pm
i am open to debate the basic tenets of christianity, but please try not to take scripture out of context to twist it into something that it is not.
a beleiver in christ.
Scott, indeed there are some very good things in the Bible, but also quite a lot of nasty things.
Of course a lot of Christians take the good stuff and are nice, moderate people. But a lot of other Christians take the bad stuff and twist it to suit their purposes. This is called cherry picking, and the parts that get picked depend on the reasoning of the person doing the picking.
God hating gay people, for example. Indeed, God does hate gay people if you read the Bible literally. Jesus also preaches that we should love each other. Pat Robertson is simply applying his own interpretation to his particular holy book, as does Fred Phelps. So does the Pope. So do Islamic imams.
This is why people of moderate or no religion like myself get so frustrated with extreme religious dogma. I have no stomach for a creed that preaches hate, that makes moral decisions about what consenting adults can do in the privacy of their own bedroom, that preaches to young people that sex out of marriage is sinful and actively discourages sex/sexual health education, that tries to twist science with (un)Intelligent Design.
BTW I apply the same criticism to any kind of extremist, controlling dogma, whether it be religious or not--I'm a equal-opportunities dogma kind of gal.
Regards.
May 6th, 2007 at 6:43 amComment by Lora — May 6, 2007 @ 5:38 am
Unwed teen pregnancy is higher in the red states, mainly because abstinence-only education is a failure. In California, for example, where many schools also teach about birth control options, the rate of unwed teen pregnancy has been dropping.
Lora, do you have a link? I'd be very interested in seeing the data.
What you say is also evident around the world, too. The countries that teach sex education/sexual health to teens, and make available contraception, have the lowest rates of unwanted teen pregnancy. I've posted this data before on an earlier thread, but I think it worth posting again.
http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/PUBLICATIONS/factsheet/fsest.htm
Regards.
May 6th, 2007 at 7:02 amYea, these clowns are real christians allright. Only problem, their definition of christian is not "Christlike", but their own evil, corrupt, demeaning, greedy, uncharitable, deceitful, spiteful, divisive ideology. Other attributes are appropriate.
May 6th, 2007 at 8:04 amKevin says: I stand for personal rights and responsibilities. Limited government regulation. Helping my fellow man and eliminating government handouts. Taxing me for what I spend not what I make.
You know, that was the prevailing attitude in 1929. You know what happened then?
May 6th, 2007 at 8:58 am#167
Comment by Lora — May 6, 2007 @ 5:38 am
In other words, you refuse to address the question. That's fine. You have that RIGHT, don'tcha? ;) Oh, just in case you are concerned that I will now start searching your posts for punctuation errors, you're safe. I only come here to discuss the issues. You have a real good Sunday, now ya hear?
May 6th, 2007 at 9:43 amRomney is a fool. More importantly, every student who goes to Robertson's "university" (snicker) is a worse fool. Those idiots are paying money to be "educated" by a superstitious con man who believes hurricanes are the wrath of God, homosexuals and feminists are the cause of the downfall of the west, and evolution is the work of the devil.
Superstition is learning; ignorance is wisdom; up is down. Animal Farm is revisited in Virginia Beach. Pity the poor "graduates" with their magic diplomas at the end of four years indoctrination.
May 6th, 2007 at 9:49 amC’mon, admit the liberal agenda isn’t perfect
In other words, you refuse to address the question.
comments by uptight right
I never ever said nor wrote that the liberal agenda is perfect. I simply happen to agree with more of it than I do with the neoCON agenda. Otherwise, I have no idea what question you think I am refusing to answer. So goodbye to "ya" for now, uptight michael
May 6th, 2007 at 10:08 amHopefully when I graduate in a few months, we'll be lucky NOT to draw someone like this to speak.
May 6th, 2007 at 10:13 amCovalent Border
May 6th, 2007 at 10:14 amI first saw something about the decline in the unwed teenage birth rate, while that in red states practicing abstinence-only education is rising on a Japanese news program while in Japan. (I am fluent in Japanese.) In other words, even the media in one of the US's strongest allies is making fun of American policies concerning sex education.
You might be able to find out more about this on sfgate.com
The link you provided is quite informative, in any case.
I never ever said nor wrote that the liberal agenda is perfect. I simply happen to agree with more of it than I do with the neoCON agenda.
Comment by Lora — May 6, 2007 @ 10:08 am
FINALLY! That's been my whole point. Not EVERYTHING that has resulted from our society becoming more liberal has been good. Glad to see ya loosened up on that "ya" thing, but I'm not your buddy michael.
May 6th, 2007 at 10:26 amYeah, blue, manners..on this site? I’ve seen how the nice folks are savaged around here. Why don’tcha check zoo’s responses around this site for manners. Come on back with a comparison of hers to mine. If my language is worse than hers, I’ll apologize. Being nice doesn’t fly around here.
Comment by upright left
I lost my manners on this site long ago when "nice folks" such as yourself started calling me names, making assumptions about my sexuality, attacking various family members, and hijacked my name to spew filth.
I have been polite to you, for the most part. For example, I use your correct sign on name. You are the one making up names for me, not the other way around. Don't throw the fact that I use different names for other comments at me -- this is between you and me. I know how much you hate distractions.
I don't know what made you so special that you think people ought to live to your standards, or that you have a right to judge anyone else, but I've got news for you -- you're not that special. None of us are.
It's easy for you to judge parents who haven't done the best job raising their kids, but what do you do to help remedy the situation -- other than complaining and judging? Get off your high horse and realize that not everyone in this country has been as fortunate as you and me. Try feeling a sense of gratitude instead of superiority.
May 6th, 2007 at 10:41 amHey, I got an idea, let's give him some of Mann Coulter's Creme Broule she was cooking up for US Supreme court Justice Kennedy. Yeah, that's the ticket. Do, unto him, what his sycophantic little fucks do to others. You piece of shit, bag of protoplasm.
Not even worth describing as a human.
Arrest, Try, Hang. And then in his case, dismember, a shoot off into the sun to rid the human race of his particular gene strain.
May 6th, 2007 at 12:19 pm"i would agree with you, but those quotes are taken severly out of context."
No they aren't. They were pointed out to me by a former preacher who practically memorized the book when he was studying it in bible college.
"if you read on to matthew 10:22-23, JEsus continues on to describe how his teachings will divide families"
None of that makes any difference. Jesus is still just as violent as teh Old Testament.
I doubt he' was even real. There is zero authentic historical record of him.
"that portion of scripture shows in pretty graphic language (which Jesus wasnt afraid to use) that our devotion to Christ should depend on that which is perfect (God) as opposed to that which is imperfect (human nature) that is a point that can be debated, but if you are a follower of Christ, then it should make sense in terms of faith and belief."
Yes, you have to suspend reality to "get it". No thanks. It's absurd and violent and there is ZERO proof for it.
"for at the time, to follow Christ was to go against ones own family."
Your rationalization isn't convincing. Sounds like an excuse to try and hide teh violence.
"i am open to debate the basic tenets of christianity, but please try not to take scripture out of context to twist it into something that it is not."
I didn't. You did, by trying to rationalize it with a lot of stuff that the bible didn't say.
"a beleiver in christ.
Comment by Scott — May 5, 2007 @ 5:36 pm"
It's plain and simple, no matter how much you try to twist it. Luke told the same thing:
Luke 14:26 – "26 If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple."
May 6th, 2007 at 2:00 pmThe media worries so much about whether poor Mitt Romney might face prejudice, as a Mormon, from the Christian Evangelicals, yet they don't seem to see the irony when Romney is unable to pass up a photo-op with one of the nation's preeminent, hate-mongering crackpots. A man who prays away hurricanes, who calls for assassinating leaders of other nations, who praises a book by RJ Rushdoony that includes a call for death penalty for gays, who hobnobs with dicators like Mobutu, profiteering off of slave labor in Zaire diamond mines.
It is a portrait of a country that has become decadent almost beyond description, a cartoon caricature of itself, a rotten fruit getting ready to fall from the tree. Somehow the word "decadence" has become associated with the Left, but Romney-Robertson amply demonstrate that the real sickness of which the country is dying, is typified by the far-Right.
May 6th, 2007 at 2:01 pmOk, I missed the rule that said zooey can be nasty and hateful to anyone but must be treated with kindness in return. I'll remember that in the future. I never judged anyone, I simply pointed out that there have been bad effects as well as good from the liberalization of our society. No one was willing to discuss the issue. There were just the usual diversions (abusive marriage, derogatory remarks about the "good old days" as though there was nothing good about the U.S. prior to 1964, etc.)
What have I done to help? I choose not post any personal information because people here tend to gleefully include such things in their attacks. Suffice to say, I take advantage of several opportunities to help. One thing I don't do is excuse anyone for criminal behavior if they have the mentality to know their actions were wrong. They should be punished for their actions and then given help to change if they desire.
May 6th, 2007 at 2:28 pmhe pillories the nature of our country...
May 6th, 2007 at 2:52 pm"Robertson on Islam:
I believe it’s motivated by demonic power. It is satanic and it’s time we recognize what we’re dealing with. … [T]he goal of Islam, ladies and gentlemen, whether you like it or not, is world domination. "
Oops, psychological projection from Christianity. Motivated by demonic power too! Wow! No suprise to me, they worship a God, just ask them what God...do they even know?
May 6th, 2007 at 9:35 pmWhat a kissass. Pobertson is a pillar of stupidity and ignorance, definitely!!! Evil, probably.
May 7th, 2007 at 3:57 pmMaybe me meant "The Pillocks Of Our Country"?
May 7th, 2007 at 4:38 pm