Comments on: Boehner: Iraq Is Like My Small Packaging Business http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:23:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: The Cat http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789582 The Cat Mon, 07 May 2007 14:11:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789582 Just the facts Al Queda in Iraq is less than 2 percent if that. The Cat Just the facts Al Queda in Iraq is less than 2 percent if that.
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]]> By: Earl http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789514 Earl Mon, 07 May 2007 12:03:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789514 What more could one possibly expect from a drunk? What more could one possibly expect from a drunk?

]]> By: Amy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789510 Amy Mon, 07 May 2007 11:31:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789510 This is pretty pathetic, Nico. Does it take too much intellectual honesty to recognize / admit that Boehner was comparing benchmarks (measuring progress, or lack thereof) versus arbitrary conditions? He was not comparing the Iraq war to managing a business. To say so one would have to be either intellectually lazy, or painfully determined to be recklessly partisan with even the smallest of matters. Take your pick. This is pretty pathetic, Nico. Does it take too much intellectual honesty to recognize / admit that Boehner was comparing benchmarks (measuring progress, or lack thereof) versus arbitrary conditions? He was not comparing the Iraq war to managing a business. To say so one would have to be either intellectually lazy, or painfully determined to be recklessly partisan with even the smallest of matters. Take your pick.

]]> By: MarkP http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789488 MarkP Mon, 07 May 2007 06:06:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789488 How many good months vs. bad months have there been in Iraq? If your little packaging supplies business had as many bad months as Iraq, you wouldn't have to shut it down. It would just go bankrupt. Bankrupt. So many similarities. How many good months vs. bad months have there been in Iraq? If your little packaging supplies business had as many bad months as Iraq, you wouldn’t have to shut it down. It would just go bankrupt.

Bankrupt. So many similarities.

]]> By: JPark http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789385 JPark Mon, 07 May 2007 01:41:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789385 Pretty soon Boehner will be up to a Friedman unit. Pretty soon Boehner will be up to a Friedman unit.

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789364 unbelievable Mon, 07 May 2007 00:43:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789364 "However, if a coalition that includes a range of citizens from atheist to main-stream denominationalist (sp?) can be constructed/assembled then maybe we can take back our democracy. " That's brilliant. I like it. I've discovered that if you out yourself as an Atheist to people you already know fairly well, they usually accept it. It's the strangers who avoid you like the plague. So, maybe that's a factor of consideration (it worked for the gays) - for the non-religious to show the tolerant Christians that we aren't evil, until they come to accept us... "The problem is that mainstream Christians (the good folk out there) are very, very slow to take issue with other “so-called” Christian views that are extreme for fear of being lumped with the “enemy” and driven from their flock as a “god hatin’ liberul.” Comment by dixie blood — May 6, 2007 @ 5:06 pm" I've noticed that... Sad that the fear of alienation works so well. Too well... “However, if a coalition that includes a range of citizens from atheist to main-stream denominationalist (sp?) can be constructed/assembled then maybe we can take back our democracy. ”

That’s brilliant. I like it.

I’ve discovered that if you out yourself as an Atheist to people you already know fairly well, they usually accept it. It’s the strangers who avoid you like the plague. So, maybe that’s a factor of consideration (it worked for the gays) – for the non-religious to show the tolerant Christians that we aren’t evil, until they come to accept us…

“The problem is that mainstream Christians (the good folk out there) are very, very slow to take issue with other “so-called” Christian views that are extreme for fear of being lumped with the “enemy” and driven from their flock as a “god hatin’ liberul.”
Comment by dixie blood — May 6, 2007 @ 5:06 pm”

I’ve noticed that… Sad that the fear of alienation works so well. Too well…

]]> By: unbelievable http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789363 unbelievable Mon, 07 May 2007 00:37:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789363 "Now? You are on the right path." Thanks. I really hope you're right... "Use this time to organise, grow stronger and teach the truth." Not everyone wants to hear the truth. I probably shouldn't have, but when one of my students said, outside of class, that morality comes from Christianity, I asked him to explain why 15% of the nation is Atheistic, but only 0.2% of people in jail are Atheists. He didn't know, and I left it alone after that - but just I hate to see the brightest students falling for the rightwing mind-control. "Americans are now aware as they have not been for fourty years, of the lies in front of them. Make sure they do not forget." I think that's the only positive to come out of the Bush Regime - this skepticism... "Teach them how to spot the con-artist, teach them distrust, teach them to criticise. Don’t follow the Democrats blindly, and don’t believe your ancestors could save you were they around now, instead rely on yourselves." Good advice... But it isn't always easy when you are the only voice who is opposing what everyone else is saying. But I will say that I've got a few of the more racists ones now understanding that it isn't someone's skin color by which they should be judged, but their attitude and their actions... "Teach them that they are strong enough in and of themselves, to cope with anything, but also teach them that they can be wrong and it does nobody any good to silence the unbeliever, because the unbeliever can be right." Agreed. Well said. "Teach them that faith in a god, or in themselves, is not enough. Faith must well founded, AND married to action." I'm trying to do it subversively, because I can't do it blatantly, but it's like planting seeds and not knowing if anything will blossom or not. "And make them watch the Life of Brian. Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 6, 2007 @ 3:05 pm" LOL... That would probably get me fired, while the raging Catholic preaches from her Art Class pulpit and gets away with it... Thanks Bruce - you've always got great things to say. I appreciate your thoughts. :) “Now? You are on the right path.”

Thanks. I really hope you’re right…

“Use this time to organise, grow stronger and teach the truth.”

Not everyone wants to hear the truth. I probably shouldn’t have, but when one of my students said, outside of class, that morality comes from Christianity, I asked him to explain why 15% of the nation is Atheistic, but only 0.2% of people in jail are Atheists. He didn’t know, and I left it alone after that – but just I hate to see the brightest students falling for the rightwing mind-control.

“Americans are now aware as they have not been for fourty years, of the lies in front of them. Make sure they do not forget.”

I think that’s the only positive to come out of the Bush Regime – this skepticism…

“Teach them how to spot the con-artist, teach them distrust, teach them to criticise. Don’t follow the Democrats blindly, and don’t believe your ancestors could save you were they around now, instead rely on yourselves.”

Good advice… But it isn’t always easy when you are the only voice who is opposing what everyone else is saying.

But I will say that I’ve got a few of the more racists ones now understanding that it isn’t someone’s skin color by which they should be judged, but their attitude and their actions…

“Teach them that they are strong enough in and of themselves, to cope with anything, but also teach them that they can be wrong and it does nobody any good to silence the unbeliever, because the unbeliever can be right.”

Agreed. Well said.

“Teach them that faith in a god, or in themselves, is not enough. Faith must well founded, AND married to action.”

I’m trying to do it subversively, because I can’t do it blatantly, but it’s like planting seeds and not knowing if anything will blossom or not.

“And make them watch the Life of Brian.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 6, 2007 @ 3:05 pm”

LOL… That would probably get me fired, while the raging Catholic preaches from her Art Class pulpit and gets away with it…

Thanks Bruce – you’ve always got great things to say. I appreciate your thoughts. :)

]]> By: Karim http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789357 Karim Mon, 07 May 2007 00:32:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789357 Geez...do these guys have any decency? Geez…do these guys have any decency?

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789355 Merlin Mon, 07 May 2007 00:29:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789355 <strong>#37 Comment by 1 Day It Will All Be Over — May 6, 2007 @ 12:53 pm Thanks for that wonderful post!</strong> #37 Comment by 1 Day It Will All Be Over — May 6, 2007 @ 12:53 pm

Thanks for that wonderful post!

]]> By: Bjobotts http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789325 Bjobotts Sun, 06 May 2007 23:17:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789325 <strong>Earlier on your program, you had — Senator Dodd talked about this being a civil war. It is not a civil war. There is some sectarian violence between the Sunni and Shia, most of it being stirred up by the Iranians.</strong> Please stop these people, they are war mongers. This above statement is ludicrous. How much in denial do you have to be to say that. A total liar. The only way because we can't wait any longer...impeach Cheney and Bush now because they are still trying to find a way to have war with Iran that America will accept as illustrated by Boehner's bonehead comment. Earlier on your program, you had — Senator Dodd talked about this being a civil war. It is not a civil war. There is some sectarian violence between the Sunni and Shia, most of it being stirred up by the Iranians.

Please stop these people, they are war mongers. This above statement is ludicrous. How much in denial do you have to be to say that. A total liar.
The only way because we can’t wait any longer…impeach Cheney and Bush now because they are still trying to find a way to have war with Iran that America will accept as illustrated by Boehner’s bonehead comment.

]]> By: daveb http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789322 daveb Sun, 06 May 2007 23:10:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789322 <b>#6. At what point would such a business merit closing, Mr. Boehner?</b> At what point would <i>THE BANK</i> (or your investors), cut you off and tell you, "We're not bankrolling you any more"? #6. At what point would such a business merit closing, Mr. Boehner?

At what point would THE BANK (or your investors), cut you off and tell you, “We’re not bankrolling you any more”?

]]> By: Bjobotts http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789319 Bjobotts Sun, 06 May 2007 23:08:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789319 Notice how suddenly, the president mentions it over and over and now the Republicans in the House and Senate are saying the same thing as if they just got their instructions. "There's no civil war in Iraq it's Al Queda. We're fighting Al Queda in Iraq. It's Al Queda that's keeping the National Government from functioning. It's always been Al Queda, Al queda, Al queda". God, they can't say it enough. And then suddenly a video appears from Al Queda. It's like Al Queda works for the Bush administration. They are still operating under the idea that if you repeat it often enough it makes it true. Everyone saying it can no longer be taken seriously on anything for they will lie about serious matters that are getting people killed just to save face. They demonstrate how little they care by discarding truth in favor of a talking point. Boehner is a sociopathic hypocrite. He has no conscience. Notice how suddenly, the president mentions it over and over and now the Republicans in the House and Senate are saying the same thing as if they just got their instructions. “There’s no civil war in Iraq it’s Al Queda. We’re fighting Al Queda in Iraq. It’s Al Queda that’s keeping the National Government from functioning. It’s always been Al Queda, Al queda, Al queda”. God, they can’t say it enough. And then suddenly a video appears from Al Queda. It’s like Al Queda works for the Bush administration. They are still operating under the idea that if you repeat it often enough it makes it true. Everyone saying it can no longer be taken seriously on anything for they will lie about serious matters that are getting people killed just to save face. They demonstrate how little they care by discarding truth in favor of a talking point. Boehner is a sociopathic hypocrite. He has no conscience.

]]> By: deport neoclown filth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789306 deport neoclown filth Sun, 06 May 2007 22:40:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789306 no wonder this fool is house MINORITY leader employing faulty "logic" like that. he's 100% right, if a business doesn't meet it's benchmarks after about a year, the owner doesn't have to close up shop, it's already been done for him. now what's his excuse for a "business" that hasn't made any benchmarks in four years? sounds like welfare to me, boner no wonder this fool is house MINORITY leader employing faulty “logic” like that. he’s 100% right, if a business doesn’t meet it’s benchmarks after about a year, the owner doesn’t have to close up shop, it’s already been done for him. now what’s his excuse for a “business” that hasn’t made any benchmarks in four years? sounds like welfare to me, boner

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789295 Marie Sun, 06 May 2007 22:16:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789295 Rahm Emanuel - in response to Congressman John Boehner's newly announced timetable on Iraq and President Bush's escalation of troops into Iraq: "It's clear Congressman Boehner's new timetable for Iraq has less to do with the troops coming home, and has everything to do with his fear that House Republicans will be sent home." Rahm Emanuel – in response to Congressman John Boehner’s newly announced timetable on Iraq and President Bush’s escalation of troops into Iraq:

“It’s clear Congressman Boehner’s new timetable for Iraq has less to do with the troops coming home, and has everything to do with his fear that House Republicans will be sent home.”

]]> By: John A. Broussard http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789252 John A. Broussard Sun, 06 May 2007 21:09:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789252 "Atrios notes that Boehner extended his recently-expired 60-90 day deadline for Iraq progress “three to four months.” It's interesting to note that Boehner continues to use the Friedman Unit to set a deadline. For those unfamiliar with the complexity of the FU, it's flexible. Runs from 3 months to 12 months, but favors 6 months. “Atrios notes that Boehner extended his recently-expired 60-90 day deadline for Iraq progress “three to four months.”

It’s interesting to note that Boehner continues to use the Friedman Unit to set a deadline.

For those unfamiliar with the complexity of the FU, it’s flexible. Runs from 3 months to 12 months, but favors 6 months.

]]> By: dixie blood http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789249 dixie blood Sun, 06 May 2007 21:06:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789249 <em>As Bruce pointed out, they are winning. Comment by unbelievable — May 6, 2007 @ 2:38 pm</em> Nice to see you too! So far the Christofacists are winning (Bruce is right) and that is unfortunate. However, if a coalition that includes a range of citizens from atheist to main-stream denominationalist (sp?) can be constructed/assembled then maybe we can take back our democracy. The problem is that mainstream Christians (the good folk out there) are very, very slow to take issue with other "so-called" Christian views that are extreme for fear of being lumped with the "enemy" and driven from their flock as a "god hatin' liberul." As Bruce pointed out, they are winning.

Comment by unbelievable — May 6, 2007 @ 2:38 pm

Nice to see you too!

So far the Christofacists are winning (Bruce is right) and that is unfortunate. However, if a coalition that includes a range of citizens from atheist to main-stream denominationalist (sp?) can be constructed/assembled then maybe we can take back our democracy. The problem is that mainstream Christians (the good folk out there) are very, very slow to take issue with other “so-called” Christian views that are extreme for fear of being lumped with the “enemy” and driven from their flock as a “god hatin’ liberul.”

]]> By: Willy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789227 Willy Sun, 06 May 2007 20:48:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789227 It always amazes me that right-wing so-called "good Christians" are so cavalier about killing lots and lots of people. At some point karma will catch up to these immoral bastards. It always amazes me that right-wing so-called “good Christians” are so cavalier about killing lots and lots of people. At some point karma will catch up to these immoral bastards.

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789171 RUCerious Sun, 06 May 2007 19:29:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789171 I'd agree that Boner has a small package. Probably the only business he ever really had a grasp of. I’d agree that Boner has a small package.
Probably the only business he ever really had a grasp of.

]]> By: Bruce Gorton http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789155 Bruce Gorton Sun, 06 May 2007 19:05:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789155 unbelievable Now? You are on the right path. Conservatism has done a lot of damage, it is easier to destroy then to build, but it has in its zeal to destroy everything liberalism stands for, destroyed the ground underneath its feet. Use this time to organise, grow stronger and teach the truth. Americans are now aware as they have not been for fourty years, of the lies in front of them. Make sure they do not forget. Teach them how to spot the con-artist, teach them distrust, teach them to criticise. Don't follow the Democrats blindly, and don't believe your ancestors could save you were they around now, instead rely on yourselves. Teach them that they are strong enough in and of themselves, to cope with anything, but also teach them that they can be wrong and it does nobody any good to silence the unbeliever, because the unbeliever can be right. Teach them that faith in a god, or in themselves, is not enough. Faith must well founded, AND married to action. And make them watch the Life of Brian. unbelievable

Now? You are on the right path.

Conservatism has done a lot of damage, it is easier to destroy then to build, but it has in its zeal to destroy everything liberalism stands for, destroyed the ground underneath its feet.

Use this time to organise, grow stronger and teach the truth.

Americans are now aware as they have not been for fourty years, of the lies in front of them. Make sure they do not forget.

Teach them how to spot the con-artist, teach them distrust, teach them to criticise. Don’t follow the Democrats blindly, and don’t believe your ancestors could save you were they around now, instead rely on yourselves.

Teach them that they are strong enough in and of themselves, to cope with anything, but also teach them that they can be wrong and it does nobody any good to silence the unbeliever, because the unbeliever can be right.

Teach them that faith in a god, or in themselves, is not enough. Faith must well founded, AND married to action.

And make them watch the Life of Brian.

]]> By: Raven http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/comment-page-2/#comment-3789147 Raven Sun, 06 May 2007 18:55:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/06/boehner-business/#comment-3789147 Corporate consumer culture has got much of our society pretty well wired, and believing they have to be plugged in to survive. And it starts at a very early age. I was photographer for the local school competition in New Mexico Robo-rave recently. (Middle school and high school students build and program small 'Lego" robots to follow a set course, called robo-rave) The MC's of the event turned the whole thing into a game show atmosphere, even to the extent of waving and throwing dollar bills to the audience to get them to cheer. The backs of all the staff t-shirts read: Todays Play is Tommorrows Pay Corporate consumer culture has got much of our society pretty well wired, and believing they have to be plugged in to survive.
And it starts at a very early age.
I was photographer for the local school competition in New Mexico Robo-rave recently.
(Middle school and high school students build and program small ‘Lego” robots to follow a set course, called robo-rave)
The MC’s of the event turned the whole thing into a game show atmosphere, even to the extent of waving and throwing dollar bills to the audience to get them to cheer.
The backs of all the staff t-shirts read:
Todays Play is Tommorrows Pay

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