Murtha: Bush May Double Forced Iraq Extensions
The Bush administration announced last month that all U.S. Army soldiers in Iraq would have their 12-month tours in Iraq extended by 3 additional months.
The forced extensions place an extreme burden on soldiers in Iraq, whose strains “are in some ways more severe than those borne by the combat forces of World War II,” Army researchers say. The also highlight the U.S. military’s current readiness crisis, which has left virtually all of the U.S.-based Army combat brigades “rated as unready to deploy.”
In a little noticed remark late last month, Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) said the worst is still to come. During a speech on Congress’ Iraq legislation, Murtha said he has heard rumors that the forced extensions will soon be increased to 18 months. Watch it:
In April, when the 15-month extensions were announced, U.S. soldiers on the ground reacted with “muffled outbursts of anger and frustration laced with dark humor.”
“At no time in our military history have Soldiers or Marines been required to serve on the front line in any war for a period of 6-7 months.” A quarter of all soldiers who spend 6 months in Iraq show signs of mental trauma.
Transcript:
I went to Fort Hood, Fort Bragg, and Fort Stewart. These folks are burned out. The truancy rate is up in the schools. The achievement is down in the schools where our troops’ children go. One soldier said to me, first sergeant, [a] woman, she says, I hate to tell my children I’m going back to Iraq. They’re going back the third and fourth time! A general says to me, I can only take nine months! And we’re sending them back for 15, and I hear rumors they’re going to extend them to 18 months. We have an accountability bill, this is called the Iraq accountability bill. This war has been so mismanaged that we have the responsibility to force the Whtie House to be accountable. The policy is not set by the military. The policy is set by the White House and we have to hold the White House accountable for the mistakes that they have made.
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There will be mutiny among our military. These young people have had enough. Isn’t it enough for Bush that they’re becoming psychologically deranged by this amoral war and the heinous things they are being forced to do? Isn’t this enough for Bush? Let’s force Bush to send his twins into combat then!
This guy has done nothing but lie to the american people - repeatedly. Now he’s going to have the blood of additional murders of our military on his already-filthy hands. The evil within this man knows no limits - the evil within him knows absolutely no bounds. He will even stoop to using religion and God as a “tool of his evil”.
May 8th, 2007 at 6:39 pmMurtha is right. Very soon we will see the massive long term damage this senseless war is reaping on the nation.
As if the short term effects haven’t been bad enough.
May 8th, 2007 at 6:40 pmThe next time Bush pops into Iraq for a photo op, I expect he will be in for a fragging.
May 8th, 2007 at 6:40 pmSend in Jenna and Barbara - NOW!
May 8th, 2007 at 6:42 pmI hope the soldiers are begining to realize the GOP and Bush are not their friends. They are their worst enemies.
My God, how I wish it would hurry up and be Jan 2009 already.
May 8th, 2007 at 6:43 pmThe next time Bush pops into Iraq for a photo op, I expect he will be in for a fragging.
Comment by Uncle Ho
Hi, Uncle Ho. Isn’t this sickening? I truly hope Rep Murtha is wrong this time.
May 8th, 2007 at 6:43 pmM U T I N Y!!! Then march on the WH lawn!!!
May 8th, 2007 at 6:46 pmMurtha is seldom wrong… he has great sources.
May 8th, 2007 at 6:47 pmI really fell for those poor kids (and most of them are just kids) being wasted in this senseless bloodbath. How can we stop it?
ITMFA!!!
This is just one of the ways Bush supports the troops. He extends their tour of duty which increases their chances of getting killed so they won’t have to come home with extensive wounds or missing body parts. Only republicans appreciate Bush’s thoughtfulness.
May 8th, 2007 at 6:48 pmwhat we need to realize (and many of us here already do) is that no matter how many troops Bush sends, no matter how many bombs are dropped, no matter how many guns are fired - use of force will NEVER bring peace to Iraq, or anywhere in the world.
A solid read on this issue:
May 8th, 2007 at 6:51 pm“Can America Bring Peace to the World?”
http://www.populistamerica.com/ can_america_bring_peace_to_the_world
Here’s a whole list of potential Army/Marine volunteers…
http://www.wewintheylose.com/bloggers.php
The might 101st Chickenhawk Keyboarders!
May 8th, 2007 at 6:53 pmIronically ( or not so ironically, as the case may be) the number of veterans in need of serious psychological counseling and/or in-depth psychotherapy will not be provided due to the cutting of funds for our returning Vets. Actually, in Bush’s figure on Iraq, he quoted 500 Billion - when you factor in long-term care for the military of this war, the figure looms to some 2.3 Trillion dollars. HUGE DIFFERENCE! So, his estimates of the War include nothing for our returning vets and that’s precisely what he plans to give them - absolutely nothing!
May 8th, 2007 at 6:55 pmWe need to start calling them the Republican Block, not the Republican Party. The only thing separating us from impeachment is the Republican BLOCK. That is the only power they possess.
May 8th, 2007 at 6:56 pmOur military is realizing that they are in the wrong country fighting the absolute wrong enemy: instead of fighting Iraqi insurgents, now they need to be concerned with fighting our own “enemy within”.
They should have seen the handwriting on the wall when Bush went into Iraq to catch OBL when he clearly knew he was in Afghanistan….but then, geography probably wasn’t Dumbya’s forte either.
May 8th, 2007 at 6:56 pm#10 Agreed wholeheartedly. There is absolutely NO WAY this war can be won - certainly not by us! Regardless of how much weaponry, manpower, and dinero we throw at this war, it’s all totally for naught.
Short of wiping out the entire country which would be even more reprehensible than what we are doing right now, there is no winning at all.
Time to “cut our losses” and “save some lives of innocent iraqis and lives of our soldiers”. I heard today that the number of dead iraqis at our hands can be something resembling 600 Million - that’s a heck of a lot of blood to go around the Bush family and his cadre of cronies.
As they say…..karma can be a bitch! This crime family is headed for a karmic meltdown.
May 8th, 2007 at 6:59 pmMeanwhile, the Commodor e Principalo has never seen combat and was even AWOL from his cushy National Guard duty. Then there’s five deaf-er-ment Dick. The people in this admin making those decisions don’t give a fck about the ’side-effects’ of their ill-conceived (being kind)war. They don’t know the sacrafice and strain because they’ve been pampered through life and they don’t care to be compasionate.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:00 pmThe cost of this war is only beginning to be tabulated. As veritas said, it’s already estimated at over 2 TRILLION taking into account the long-term medical/disability costs. And that’s if this stops in the very near future (which, according to Condi, is not in the plans).
Then, there’s the cost of replacing all of the worn out equipment. What about all of the broken marriages? The kids who live without both parents? All have associated costs.
Oh and let’s not forget all of those Iraqis who have lost their husbands, fathers, homes, jobs, health. And for what? United States has lost its international standing and with the dropping dollar and debt, its wealth.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:17 pmHiya Zooey! One 13-month tour in Vietnam was bad, these poor schmucks are getting f*cked over royally, with tour extensions, and multiple tours in Iraq.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:17 pm“At no time in our military history have Soldiers or Marines been required to serve on the front line in any war for a period of 6-7 months.â€
Is seems the psychologists were NOT historians. They sort of forgot the Revolutionary War, The Civil War and WWII……
May 8th, 2007 at 7:20 pmIt is time to defund this PNAC oil grab for the military industrial complex and oil companies and it is time to impeach the Chimp and Shooter. Someone should take KKKarl Rove out somehow and someway. Bring his ass before Congress and then handcuff him and drag him to Gitmo.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:21 pmHiya Zooey! One 13-month tour in Vietnam was bad, these poor schmucks are getting f*cked over royally, with tour extensions, and multiple tours in Iraq.
Comment by Uncle Ho
I think I know what direction my Sociology degree will take me — there’s giong to be a lot of veterans in need of help for a long time. Jeebus…
May 8th, 2007 at 7:22 pmTime to ‘redeploy’ the funds for the war!
How about spending $2B a week on energy research? Makes a lot more sense!
May 8th, 2007 at 7:24 pmThese soldiers have to start waking up and realize that they are being used by this administration for their own devious ends. The hope is that groups like Veterans for Peace will continue giving out copies of the 2006 documentary Sir! No Sir! to those in the military, so that they can acknowledge that they have a brain and resist the way the soldiers did in Sir! No Sir! did, which told the story of those who said NO to the Vietnam War. A companion piece to Sir! No Sir! would be David Cortright’s classic Soldiers in Revolt-GI Resistance During the Vietnam War, which explored in depth the opposition that took place among the military during the Vietnam War. An important result that came from Cortright’s work was that the bulk of the movement came. surprisingly, not from draftees but from volunteers from working class backgrounds.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:25 pmFinally the military is awakening to the fact that they are simply being used by this administration, not for national interests but personal gain and personal “legacy.” Bush has failed at everything in his life and now he will forever be known as the worst president ever. This president is emotionally and intellectually immature. He was a ten year old kid playing “war” when he ordered the attack on Iraq. Unfortunately, this isn’t a child’s game and now he must be held accountable for his stupid actions.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:25 pmMy best friend’s son is there, in the sh*t, in Baghdad. He’s a gung-ho army guy who always wanted to be a soldier and always wanted to serve his country. He and his buddies know it’s all a load of crap. They KNOW it’s not about Iraqi Freedom, they KNOW it’s not about 9/11, they KNOW it’s not about WMD, they KNOW it’s not about OBL. It’s about one thing and one thing only: U.S. hegemony and control of the oil. End of story. But they’re soldiers and they’re proud to be soldiers, and soldiers follow orders. It’s just a criminal, heartbreaking shame and disaster that their orders are coming from these cynical, evil, greedy SOBs. May God bless our troops and their families.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:37 pmDo you know what the fu*k the word required means, dumb fu*k? And don’t give us the sorry “They are all volunteers” bullsh!t. These soldier want out and they are being forced to stay. You people are scum.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:37 pm12-month tours were bad enough, 15-month tours are worse, but if the DOD goes to 18-month tours, there will be mutinies, not to mention increasing suicides, desertions, violence among the soldiers in this pressure cooker, violence against Iraqi civilians, and many more instances of serious mental diseases.
I don’t know what it will take to stop this march towards total insanity. Bush has another 20-months to go. He and Cheney can do a lot more damage. These people need to be stopped. Now!
May 8th, 2007 at 7:39 pmMargaret - Do you want the government to give more tax breaks to “Big Oil” for research? The government produces nothing - as such they depend on market driven private enterprise - how that must offend you.
If you are serious about ending this war, PRESSURE your Democrat Congress to PULL the PLUG financially NOW and give the military just enough to flee.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:40 pm#11 Comment by Robert — May 8, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
“Here’s a whole list of potential Army/Marine volunteers…
“The mighty 101st Chickenhawk Keyboarders!”
Bill Frist’s name is on that list! I nominate him to lead the wave out the back of the c-130 as the neocons chute into Falouja to be greeted by the Iraquis with flowers.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:40 pmWhen our troops finally return from their tour(s) in Iraq, we won’t have seen the last of the problems; in fact, they may be just beginning. Their emotional state, their ability to reintegrate into society, their ability to reunite with their families - and their families to them.
I am afraid Bush’s folloy - his atrocity in Iraq - will be visited upon us for generations.
If Bush is interested in his legacy….
We know he believes that history will exonerate him, which he confidently asserts because he has no knowledge of history.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:41 pmSouthwest Bob!
How have you been?
Nice to see you.
:)
May 8th, 2007 at 7:43 pm#26
Don’t count on Valiant Venus to go to Iraq any time soon. He/she would defecate in his/her pants the moment he/she stepped into the streets of Baghdad.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:45 pmZooey; You can’t be too far from Canada. If son is drafted, drive him there personally. If I knew back then, what I know now, I would have burned my draft card, and refused induction. Meet a guy a few weeks ago in Port Huron, he was back from a tour in Iraq & said he won’t go back, but to Canada instead. Unfortunately, I could not give him a contact # to a Vietnam-era draft dodger who stayed in Canada and is now helping this generation’s war resisters. I did not have it on me. I read, that this guy is in Toronto, helping them to file for refugee status.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:46 pm#13 Comment by Roket — May 8, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
“We need to start calling them the Republican Block, not the Republican Party.”
How about the Republican Blockheads?
Heh! (apology to Zooey)
May 8th, 2007 at 7:47 pmSponge Cake - Prince Valiant had several tours of duty extended so go cry to somebody who doesn’t have a clue about the falseh**ds published here and elsewhere. The shrinks weren’t discussing “volunteers vs. draftees” - they were erroneously discussing the HISTORY of military deployments. I understand - you were confused….as usual.
Mr. Plumber - BTW, as much as you hate to admit it - - OIL is a national interest….
May 8th, 2007 at 7:47 pmDear Devil - I left Navy JAG as a LCdr - my husband, the handsome and dashing, Prince Valiant, did combat duty. My active duty brother has seen three deployments…..You seem to know little and say nothing.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:51 pmWhy do you have to insult people all the time, vv?
(And I don’t want to hear “We do it.” crap.) It all started with you.
You get what you give on this site.
It’s one thing to disagree and have a meaningful discussion. It’s another to sling sh*t at anyone and everyone.
Try being nice. You might like it.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:53 pm#33 - Uncle Ho
My son has said that if there is a draft, and he is drafted, he will serve. Yikes. I know the Chimp will never start up the draft — that pesky legacy — so I’m thinking it might be alright.
Gotta keep that number on you, Uncle Ho. :)
May 8th, 2007 at 7:54 pmHeh! (apology to Zooey)
Comment by Merlin
Feel free, Merlin. :-)
May 8th, 2007 at 7:54 pmTry being nice. You might like it.
Comment by trueblue
Are you on drugs! :D
As we can see in #35 & #36, the Mighty Hag has descended into her fantasy world again. I think she forgets she’s been outed as a BIG FAT LIAR.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:56 pm#21 Comment by Zooey — May 8, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
“I think I know what direction my Sociology degree will take me — there’s giong to be a lot of veterans in need of help for a long time. Jeebus…”
For the troops returning from Iraq you had better bone up on psychology, Zooey. Reentering the community will be severly hindered by the PTSD they will be suffering from.
That aside, I applaud your field of endeavour, especially if you apply yourself to helping these returning vets. We will really need a lot of people to adequately care for these brave, but mentally wounded, men and women.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:58 pmI’m still amazed at how fast Bush shredded the Constitution and turned our democracy into a dictatorship. It took over 200 years to build our democracy and it took Bush less than a year to dismantle it. It makes you realize how fragile democracy is. And now we’re supposed to believe that this fragile brand of democracy is going to work in Iraq.
May 8th, 2007 at 7:58 pmvv: Then why all the charades and bullsh*t about WMD, OBL, 9/11, etc., ad nauseum? Why don’t the neocon criminals just say, “Here’s the deal: We want to invade a sovereign nation, kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, kill and maim thousands and thousands of our own young people so you can drive your SUVs. Don’t worry, don’t sacrifice for this noble cause, go shopping.” Why? Because they’re greedy, murdering cowards. BTW, I “admit” we’re addicted to oil. But the answer is not wholesale murder.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:00 pmZooey; sorry to disappoint you, but I’m not competing with anyone for one-upsmanship. I say what I want and don’t give a flying f*ck what anyone else thinks. See what Vietnam did to me?
May 8th, 2007 at 8:00 pm#14 Comment by veritas — May 8, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
“…when Bush went into Iraq to catch OBL when he clearly knew he was in Afghanistan….but then, geography probably wasn’t Dumbya’s forte either.”
HaHaHa…Beautiful!
May 8th, 2007 at 8:00 pmThat aside, I applaud your field of endeavour, especially if you apply yourself to helping these returning vets. We will really need a lot of people to adequately care for these brave, but mentally wounded, men and women.
Comment by Merlin
Thanks, Merlin. I’ll keep an eye on the field for the next couple years, and see where best I may be of assistance.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:01 pmI just get so tired of the venom she spews here.
I don’t understand why she can’t have a debate - she always attacks and resorts to low blows.
Drugs?
May 8th, 2007 at 8:02 pmNaah. Although it would have made the past few days a lot easier!
;)
If this thread was about poverty we would have to hear how “vacuous vomit” was once on welfare but pulled herself up all by herself. If this thread was about serving in the House we’d have to hear how vacuous vomit was once a representative of her state. If this thread was about Hollywood we’d have to hear how vacuous vomit was once a movie star but gave it all up because there were too many Democrats in Hollywood. It’s just better to ignore her.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:04 pmZooey; sorry to disappoint you, but I’m not competing with anyone for one-upsmanship. I say what I want and don’t give a flying f*ck what anyone else thinks. See what Vietnam did to me?
Comment by Uncle Ho
I’m sorry, Uncle Ho. I admit I’m confused by your comment, and please believe me when I say I never intended to offend you.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:04 pm#23 Comment by Erroll — May 8, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
“An important result that came from Cortright’s work was that the bulk of the movement came. surprisingly, not from draftees but from volunteers from working class backgrounds.”
Interseting.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:08 pmIs that due to the fact that the volunteers joined with a fantasy which was destroyed, while draftees have no such illusions?
Zooey; no offense taken, what I mean is I don’t care what others think of my posts. This attitude developed in the service, you know, the old “what are they going to do….send me to Vietnam?’ thing. BTW I am NOT competing with you or anyone else, I only like to put in my 2 cents in, sometimes I wholly concur with some posts, vehemently disagree with others(i.e. trolls), or sometimes inject some of my own experiences & revelations into the topic.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:15 pmJohn Murtha, you are a good man. Keep lambasting these crooked cronies that make “our policy”. Good on ya, Sir!
May 8th, 2007 at 8:15 pm#50…..
May 8th, 2007 at 8:18 pmI would think that to be so.
Todays “volunteer” Armed Forces signed up with a lot of promised benefits: good pay, education, security and a healthy dose of glamour thrown in.
What they are getting is not what they were promised when they signed up.
A draft army simply accepts what it cannot avoid, conscripted service.
Dear Johnny - The reasons we went in to Iraq (in NO particular order)
**Saddam’s continued violation of the 1991 CEASE FIRE agreement with authorized shooting at US pilots enforcing the NO fly zone.
**Saddam’s complicity with corrupt UN and marketeers in the Oil for Food Program.
**Saddam’s “generosity” to terrorist (both in leadership and cell capacity)
**Try heating your house with Wesson oil.
**To protect our ally, Israel.
P.S. You might be a very nice guy, but you sure come across as whiny…..
May 8th, 2007 at 8:21 pm“Just as inexperienced soldiers in fights, rushing forward from all sides, often strike fine blows, but without knowledge, so they do not seem to understand what they say”
Aristotle, Metaphysics 985a13
pat answers for ignorant questions
May 8th, 2007 at 8:23 pm#51 - Uncle Ho
Thank goodness. I was so worried to think I’d said something wrong.
I know you don’t care what others think of your posts, and I think that’s great. No competition here, nope, absolutely not.
Still friends?
May 8th, 2007 at 8:23 pmI am in a questioning mood. Here goes: what happens when the time in goes to 18 months?
May 8th, 2007 at 8:25 pmWhat happens when our recruiting efforts fail to keep up with our needs?
What happens when the poor schmucks dying for these liars and their fraudulent war discover that the bastards standing them are contractors and these contractors are getting 5 to 10 (minimum) times the pay that they are getting?
What happens when the tornados keep coming and the floods keep coming and there aint no equipment available to handle all the catastrophies?
What happens , what happens, what happens, what happens??????????
#48 Comment by Republicans are the Fear and Smear Party — May 8, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
“It’s just better to ignore her.”
That is not getting the best use out of the lemon. Look we have lemons on a daily basis here at the gym. So, I say lets tone up our muscles on the punching bag and play percussive music on its head.
If my sweetie, VV, wants to hang upside down for a few hours I welcome its sacrifice. Isn’t that right sweetie? Be brave now, we don’t those other troll at the troll locker room to see you crying. Think happy thoughts! You provide us with fun sweetie. Sweet music. Blappity, blappity, blippity, blap
May 8th, 2007 at 8:25 pmNicely done valiant venus
May 8th, 2007 at 8:25 pmSo V V is angry because her husband and brother are serving because of war and oil and is blaming the very people, here, who didn’t want to start in Iraq nor voted for it in anyway. I am sorry your brother is having to serve three deployments under this ‘plan’ if you want someone to be angry with write to those who voted for this plan of action. Now please lose the angry pundit attitude and projecting your biased rationalization on those whom are not deserving of it.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:27 pmZooey; friends always. semper fidelis. :-)
May 8th, 2007 at 8:29 pmSigh - guess I’ve got to clarify my last comment.
When I say “invest $2B a week in energy research” I didn’t mean giving $ to the oil companies (their profits seem to be doing just fine already). With oil companies drafting federal gov’t energy policy these days, I guess that was an easy mis-interpretation of my words.
Considering that the military is a government agency, I would think that military people would have a more favorable view of government than would lead to comments like, “the government produces nothing”. There are a lot of scientists who might tend to disagree with such negative thinking!
After all - thanks to the government scientists we can all disagree with each other here on ‘the tubes’!
May 8th, 2007 at 8:30 pmNicely done valiant venus
Comment by Mr. President — May 8, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
28% fools, both of you.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:31 pm54 - mighty valient venus aphrodite - still buying the lie, I see. The truth is still too painful for you to accept. No matter how many lies you buy into, you will never be accepted.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:31 pmZooey; friends always. semper fidelis. :-)
Comment by Uncle Ho
Heh. :-)
May 8th, 2007 at 8:32 pm60, no, she is angry because she lacks the wealth to be accepted into certain circles. She has been rejected, and so she rejects. Hers is a never ending cycle of hate, until she learns.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:33 pmTau; I NEVER bought ANY of the justifications/rationalizations for the Iraq war from the get-go. I was against this war BEFORE the first shot was fired. Because of the Vietnam experience, I’ve learned to smell BS from 25 miles away.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:37 pmComment by Mr. President — May 8, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
“pat answers for ignorant questions”
Hey, prez, explain to me what you mean here. You lost me. You sound downright professorish here so maybe you can teach me how to not ask “ignorant” questions.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:37 pmBack on topic:
The message is simple and clear from the Commander in Chief:
The troops now in Iraq are there until they die.
Bush would rather they die to the man, and woman, then ever issue an order to withdraw.
And as long as Congress allows Bush to remain in office, that is just what will happen.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:38 pm“Why do you have to insult people all the time, vv? (And I don’t want to hear “We do it.†crap.) It all started with you.” Comment by trueblue
Sure it did!! BUT, this is a target rich environment. (I DO know for a fact Dems and Progs insult “with love”. In fact, I’m surprised your “blue blood” has never been offended by the crudity here, you hypocrite.)
“It’s one thing to disagree and have a meaningful discussion. It’s another to sling sh*t at anyone and everyone.” True B
You have a meaningful discussion with your best friend over a smoothie. This is not the place for opposing opinion to be “thoughtfully considered”. (Where are you from???) You should accept that the Left and Right have differing opinions and approaches to problems.
I understand this is a site that promotes Prog ideas….promote away.
“Try being nice. You might like it.”
I don’t curse people - I disagree with them (sometimes substantively sometimes with sarcasm). Why do you have this weird need to have people think like you? Believe me, I enjoy the fact you don’t agree with me. I view argument as sport…and have no desire to own a “parrot”.
I would probably think you were less hypocritical if you were….LESS hypocritical. No doubt, you’re a sweet hypocrite and would apologize all over yourself before saying ANYTHING which might be construed as criticism.
Toooodles…………
May 8th, 2007 at 8:41 pmI’ve learned to smell BS from 25 miles away.
Comment by Uncle Ho
I have to disagree.
Sorry, but it would be
May 8th, 2007 at 8:43 pmway more than 25 miles. =)
Tau; I concede your sense of smell is superior to mine. :-D
May 8th, 2007 at 8:45 pmNicely done valiant venus
Comment by Mr. President — May 8, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
There you go again! (I said that cause I know you like that RayGun era saying.) But it’s true! There you go again complimenting yourself. What a visual you provide! Two mirror image 54 year old balding, smelly old trolls, with cigarettes dangling from their mouths, congratulating each other.
And you even asked “Who is VV”
BwaaaaHaaaaaHaaaaa
May 8th, 2007 at 8:45 pmBRaid Faire - Being accepted? By you?? Who cares! (Are you off double secret probation??)
May 8th, 2007 at 8:46 pmyou’re a sweet hypocrite and would apologize all over yourself before saying ANYTHING which might be construed as criticism. Toooodles…………
Comment by valiant venus
A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy. Benjamin Disraeli, Speech in the House of Commons, Mar. 3, 1845
May 8th, 2007 at 8:46 pmBush wants to give the surge and Gen. Petraeus TIME to turn things around in IRAQ. The Sunnis are threatening to quit the Govt. The rest of the Govt. is threatening to go on Vacation for two months. The Republicans were on TV tonite hedging their bets and will reassess their position in Sept, if things don’t turn around. Things will not TURN Around until we set a date to leave IRAQ.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:47 pmvaliant venus,
Evil black heart. In league with satan
May 8th, 2007 at 8:48 pmI thought you said toooodles, princess valium?
May 8th, 2007 at 8:49 pmHow can we miss you if you won’t go away?
I view argument as sport - V V
So do many lonely people…
It’s not a argument (sport) when you keep hitting the instant replay button and rehashing a decade old moot scandal. Thats just obsessive and boring.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:50 pm“Hey, prez, explain to me what you mean here. You lost me. You sound downright professorish here so maybe you can teach me how to not ask “ignorant†questions.”
I was referring to a comment made earlier. Somebody had said that I had “pat answers” (his or her words) for your questions.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:53 pmA constructive question will not betray the position of the questioner, Merlin
May 8th, 2007 at 8:54 pmZooey; I still think that you should develop a contingency plan to take son to Canada. The self-appointed decider will most likely declare very soon, that as commander-in-chief with his inherent powers will reinstate the draft by executive order, bypassing Congress yet again. :-(
May 8th, 2007 at 8:55 pmTau; I concede your sense of smell is superior to mine. :-D
Comment by Uncle Ho
Smell? Oy! When they pile crap that high I can see it over the edge of the horizon.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:55 pmFor example, your questions sounded something along the lines of: “How do you explain that Bush knew in advance about the 9/11 attacks and did nothing?”
May 8th, 2007 at 8:55 pmSo do many lonely people…
Comment by Tau
You hit the nail on the head, Tau.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:55 pmThat is an example of petitio principi, or “begging the question”
May 8th, 2007 at 8:56 pmThis is when the questioner assumes a premise that has not been agreed upon
May 8th, 2007 at 8:57 pmAnother example of improper argument that appears innumerable times on this pages is the ad hominem
May 8th, 2007 at 8:58 pmZooey; I still think that you should develop a contingency plan to take son to Canada. The self-appointed decider will most likely declare very soon, that as commander-in-chief with his inherent powers will reinstate the draft by executive order, bypassing Congress yet again. :-(
Comment by Uncle Ho
You’re right, Uncle Ho. It’s only a couple hours away…
May 8th, 2007 at 8:58 pm**Try heating your house with Wesson oil.
**To protect our ally, Israel.
Comment by valiant venus
Saying the truth sometimes is not that hard. Just wondering…would it be the same justification if, say, China wants to protect Mexico and invades US and throws clusterbombs all over, lets say, San Diego and probably your not dead children get caught in the event and die because China is getting rid of dirty Christian free-trading fascists? Would the same line of reasoning still apply? Probably you would do more jokes about that.
Funny how Agent Orange over Vietnam kids was necessary but 3,000 people in WTC are such a horrible experience.
May 8th, 2007 at 8:59 pmMr President,
You’re rambling…
May 8th, 2007 at 8:59 pmAn example of an agrument ad hominem would be: “Bush is a mean spirited person, therefore he must be wrong about everything”
May 8th, 2007 at 8:59 pmHere, we can see right off the bat that the conclusion does not logically follow from the premise
May 8th, 2007 at 9:00 pmDon’t forget you logic, Merlin, when your searching for the philosopher’s stone
May 8th, 2007 at 9:01 pmThanks for the really mean response, vv.
Funny how you addressed me being nice, but not the
possibility that you could ever be nice; which is what I
offered to you as an alternative.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:02 pmI hope someday you lighten up.
#84…….
Watch the video of George W. Bush sitting in the classroom that September morning.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:02 pmIn the next moment from Andrew Card walking up to him, and telling him of the second plane, the camera goes to a close shot of the Georges face.
There is a split second expression which crosses George W. Bush’s face that clearly shows:
HE KNEW.
Good night Zooey, Tau.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:03 pmSorry zooey, but often the disagreements here are caused by logical fallacies. Merlin realized this, and asked for me to school him in the art of argumentation.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:03 pmRaven, Behaviorist psychology is a tricky thing.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:05 pmGoodnight, Uncle Ho. :-)
May 8th, 2007 at 9:07 pm#60 - “….I am sorry your brother is having to serve three deployments under this ‘plan’ if you want someone to be angry with write to those who voted for this plan of action….”
Dear Tau - Grow up! I am angry at NO one that my brother is serving. It’s his job…He chose it….and he loves this country more than he loves himself. Why don’t you lose the victimhood mantle…
Tooodles…….
May 8th, 2007 at 9:08 pmSorry zooey, but often the disagreements here are caused by logical fallacies. Merlin realized this, and asked for me to school him in the art of argumentation.
Comment by Mr. President
I’m not sure he actually did ask you to do that, Mr President, but asusming he did, does it really have to cover nine comments to “school” him?
May 8th, 2007 at 9:10 pm#99.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:11 pmYes, and George has never quite gotten the hang of it has he?
Underneath all his bluster, and whining, and posturing, and facade:
is mockery.
Mockery of everyone and everything else but him and his wants.
And that mockery is a denial of the deep seated knowledge that he is incompetent.
I am angry at NO one that my brother is serving. It’s his job…He chose it….and he loves this country more than he loves himself.
Comment by valiant venus
Yup. I was waiting for that one. Cold-assed b*tch.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:12 pmHey, prez, explain to me what you mean here. You lost me. You sound downright professorish here so maybe you can teach me how to not ask “ignorant†questions.
Comment by Merlin — May 8, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
May 8th, 2007 at 9:12 pm#81 Comment by Mr. President — May 8, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
“A constructive question will not betray the position of the questioner, Merlin”
Perhaps this is good debate technique, but isn’t this outright deceptive manipulation? Granted it might not be ignorant, but isn’t this worse? Got something more positive?
May 8th, 2007 at 9:13 pm“she is angry because she lacks the wealth to be accepted into certain circles….”
BnF - Between you and me, YOU’RE the only whiner about your meager salary NOT reflecting the invaluable job you do - “projecting much”? (See - I DID learn a valuable tool from whiny Progs!! Thanks!!)
Tooodles…
May 8th, 2007 at 9:13 pmMr. President. Condi Rice said she couldn’t imagine hijackers would crash Planes into buildings, This was less than a year after suicide terrorists almost sunk a US Warship. The passenger lists of the highjacked planes had the names of KNOWN Al Qaeda terrorists. Bush went to Texas to cut Brush. Asleep at the switch is the kindest way I can put it.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:15 pmjust go, princess…………
May 8th, 2007 at 9:16 pmI remember the days when “Tooodles…” meant the Mighty Haggie was going away. We used to be able to count on that. Ahhh, those were the days….
May 8th, 2007 at 9:17 pmTry being nice. You might like it.
Comment by trueblue — May 8, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
The big difference here between the Progressives and the small - minded.
You are so angry, vv.
It’s so sad. You are a toxic human being.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:19 pmIt’s not the question is deceptive, it is the actual content of the question asked. For example, if somebody stole your C.D.’s, and suspected, say, Jones. A deceptive question would be to ask Jones: “Hey, you don’t happen to know what happened to my C.D.’s, do you Jones?”
However if you had not already made up your mind that it was, in fact, Jones, then the above question would not be deceptive. It would be a productive method of inquiry.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:19 pmValient Venus,
Regarding these comments here, Zooey is correct. I asked a specific question which you answered as you indicate here. I did not ask for a classroom lecture on the “art of argumentation.” It appears you did not really pay attention to what I asked.
Sorry zooey, but often the disagreements here are caused by logical fallacies. Merlin realized this, and asked for me to school him in the .
Comment by Mr. President
I’m not sure he actually did ask you to do that, Mr President, but asusming he did, does it really have to cover nine comments to “school†him?
Comment by Zooey — May 8, 2007 @ 9:10 pm
May 8th, 2007 at 9:19 pmIt’s his job…He chose it….and he loves this country more than he loves himself.
Comment by valiant venus
I guess that family wont be breeding a Von Neumann anytime soon.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:20 pmBadger, I do see your point. But to be honest, I used that question merely as an example.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:21 pmTrueblue, good point, and Kudos! For the self-quote
May 8th, 2007 at 9:22 pmMore details of really what happens in Iraq brought to you by a soldiers mom:
http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/
Financial Effects listed bottom right
http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/127206
Iraqi Resistance Report for events of Sunday, 6 May 2007.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:25 pmBy: Translated and/or compiled by Muhammad Abu Nasr, member, editorial board, the Free Arab Voice. on: 07.05.2007 [16:45 ] (145 reads)
Sunday, 6 May 2007.
I guess that family wont be breeding a Von Neumann anytime soon.
Comment by Juan C
**snort**
May 8th, 2007 at 9:25 pm“Perhaps this is good debate technique, but isn’t this outright deceptive manipulation? Granted it might not be ignorant, but isn’t this worse? Got something more positive?
Comment by Merlin — May 8, 2007 @ 9:13 pm”
It seems you can’t get enough, then you tell me that you don’t want no mo.
Back up of my nutz, hoe
May 8th, 2007 at 9:25 pmThe Political Science dept at my university was split between Marxists and Straussians. The Straussians would never give you a straight answer to anything. It was always evasion and distraction. I could see where there arguments were leading, but, when I said, “So, you think such and such”, they’d get all flustered and accuse me of putting words in their mouths. Still, they never would say what they really believed. I had them pegged as lying weasels years ago.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:29 pmOT, but certainly relevant:
Dastardly Dick the Chainee is getting ready to go on a tour of the Middle East, visiting his favorite oil rich arab nations….
Keep an eye on the widdle wascal, and don’t let him have any shore leave in Dubai……
And, oh, shut up, Mr. president
May 8th, 2007 at 9:34 pm(gosh, that felt good…)
#120….
May 8th, 2007 at 9:37 pmThe preachers and Sunday school teachers I had as a child must have been Straussians……………
For those who may not have read it, yesterday Valium Venus admitted that she doesn’t come here to debate the issues, but only to be disruptive. She reminds me of the driver in traffic who purposely cuts off other drivers because they love being an asshole. She seems to be a very frustrated and hate-filled person who enjoys bringing sorrow to others. Poor sociopath VV, typical Republican.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:38 pm#117
I am a Vietnam Veteran with three sons and I would not want any of them serving in this war for oil and the military industrial complex…especially with a chimpanzee as commander in chief…an untreated alcoholic chimpanzee.
God Bless you and your loved one. I pray for the safe return.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:38 pmAny comment by valiant venus — I have been watching you blog her for some time and your answers always lack any empathy. This isn’t necessarily a bad I guess. But, when confronted by people that have a keen sense of empathy and morals your response is always the same. You will paint the recipient as somehow less human for having these emotions. That any display of empathy or emotions makes them somehow weak. In your mind this ritual of perceived belittling is emasculating. I would say that you are a 40 something white male in the closet, dreaming of the day you can cornhole Dick Cheney and cruise Kids birthday parties with Mark Foley!
May 8th, 2007 at 9:42 pmI would say that you are a 40 something white male in the closet, dreaming of the day you can cornhole Dick Cheney and cruise Kids birthday parties with Mark Foley!
Comment by JTitor
Or a woman married to the above hot property…
May 8th, 2007 at 9:44 pmFor those who may not have read it, yesterday Valium Venus admitted that she doesn’t come here to debate the issues, but only to be disruptive. She reminds me of the driver in traffic who purposely cuts off other drivers because they love being an assh*le. She seems to be a very frustrated and hate-filled person who enjoys bringing sorrow to others. Poor sociopath VV, typical Republican.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:45 pmThank you for the link, #117 Soldiers Mom
May 8th, 2007 at 9:45 pmHead spinning details………….
The military has just started sending me stuff to sign up.
I understand the Navy and AF ones, but why they think that I’d join the marines is beyond me.
As morally wrong as the ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ policy is, I might have to take advantage of it if the time comes. I know there’s no way I’ll last in the military; I’ve always had a somewhat major problem with direct authority.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:47 pmI think you are defending me, J Titor, and I thank you.
…….
dreaming of the day you can cornhole Dick Cheney and cruise Kids birthday parties with Mark Foley!
…eewwwwww!
:)
May 8th, 2007 at 9:47 pmI have asked repeatedly if this is you:
http://profile.myspace.com/ index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=79943506
yet you refuse to respond.
You’ve got your hands full with exes and others who betray you.
You also have no problem with Academic Dishonesty:
May 8th, 2007 at 9:48 pm#128 - Xbot
You can “opt out.” Your school should have a form. Unless you just like messing with the recruiters like my son did. :D
May 8th, 2007 at 9:50 pmComment by david — May 8, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
At least they practiced what they preached!
May 8th, 2007 at 9:52 pmvaliant venus — I doubt very much this is a woman. I don’t know one woman that would use the word “tooodles…”.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:57 pmJTitor,
How many men say “Toodles”?
:D
May 8th, 2007 at 10:06 pmLet’s hope the soldiers remember how much Bushiva and L’il Dick support them…
…the next time Bushiva “USES” them spread his Bushit propaganda…
…and hopefully the soldiers will have live rounds…
May 8th, 2007 at 10:10 pmThere is something seriously wrong with a reichwinger who claims to be a female. Wingers are seriously flawed individuals and a female is really flawed to want to be in that category.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:11 pmGerald Gibson Jr. post #135 is a “name jacking”
May 8th, 2007 at 10:14 pmnot the real Gerald Gibson
Gerald Gibson Jr. post #135 is a “name jackingâ€
not the real Gerald Gibson
Comment by Heyzeus
It has been reported.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:19 pm#126 So true. The bitch is sick.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:22 pmIs the Gerald Gibson on the next post a troll as well..?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:22 pmcan’t quite tell……
Good evening all, a bit on topic and a bit off…..I think we are in for a very hot summer, troop’s are stretched to the limit, the public is angry because of this never ending war, gas prices, son’s and daughter’s coming home broken or in coffin’s, and a mad man that want’s his ego to win at the cost of any and all military personel…We are in dreadful times and the weather is not going to help either, it will be very hot, tempers will flare and marcher’s may get out of hand..Our senate is slow now that we worked so hard to get them there they are not accomplishing what they need to do fast enough..Investigate, Impeach, jail and seize the guilties asset’s…
On the black hearted troll’s, they are desprate, ignored where they have been and that is why they come here…No one will acknoledge their existance else where so they come here and derail our thread’s..Note not one post of substance from them on this site, just their little mind masterbation attempt to feel important by bashing us…Does it remind you of any one.? It doe’s me, bull shit bush..The evil black hearted pupett of cheney/rove and his handler’s…Ugly is what I see in the evil mind’s…No matter how much lipstick. the one or two that viset and disrupt are still only black hearted toll’s…Blessings
May 8th, 2007 at 10:23 pmGo away, name jacker #141
May 8th, 2007 at 10:25 pm#141 may also be a namejacking.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:25 pmHey, prez,
In #19 you stammered:
“Back up of my nutz, hoe”
Is this your answer? Well, it is a frightened troll answer. Get beligerant, and try to act tough and draw an angry response. Three foot high cretins who smell bad, are enough to drive me away, you don’t have to be verbally abusive, ya know.
Look, prez, if you don’t have an answer, and so far you don’t, just admit it. Ya need more time or are you stumped? Look, I won’t beat you up because of your ignorance. Trust me.
BwaaaHaaaaHaaa
May 8th, 2007 at 10:28 pmWhat are the chances that Tony Blair decides to go over to Iraq and fight? He’ll be out of a job any day now. The least he can do is pick up a gun and stand a post.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:29 pmIf the Democrats were seriuos about ending the war they can cut off the funding. They don’t. They also are in the pockets of Imperialistic Capitalist war mongers.
Comment by Juan C
Hahahahaha. You know, what? Thats not such a bad impression of me.
Heyzeus…thanks for noticing.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:30 pmI agree with number 1…it’s only a matter of time before you have a mutiny by our troops.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:31 pmGerald name has been hijacked. In the future I will post some personal experiences about Argentina…just to make myself more credible.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:31 pmWe should count our blessings that little “vv” is no longer a JAG.
Once PTSD comes to lie with you at night,
I hope your sleep is far more restful then the rest of us with a conscience.
I’d pity people of your ilk, but you’d never get it.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:32 pmSharon,
The solution would be an uprising and hopefully the Iranians and Al-Qaeda will come and liberate us!
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr.
Snivelling coward. Use your own name, and say that shit.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:34 pmHopefully when the troops mutiny, they can team up with Al-Qaeda and come here and liberate us by establishing a Socialist-Islamic Republic!
May 8th, 2007 at 10:35 pmJuan,
Send TP a message telling them your name has been hijacked, and where.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:36 pm#153 Stupid. There are like 2 million argentinians living in Mexico. Pedazo de pelotudo. If you are gonna hijack…do it ok.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:37 pmJuan,
If you are commenting tonight at all, send me an email.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:42 pmValiant Venus
You know, VV I believe you are really telling it the way it is for you, even though it is an “in your face” statement.
You state that: “You view argument as sport!” and you “find this a target rich environment!” You say you disagree with people (sometimes substantively sometimes with sarcasm). And of course you don’t curse! You win if they curse and they don’t. It is simply a tactic, and so, you get no credit for not doing it.
Yes that is what you do. And this is the very philosophy of a troll. I admit that you achieve some success in your efforts, but usually only from those that don’t know what you are doing. Low hanging fruit as it were. I would expect that you would be just as happy over on a right wing blog doing the same thing. In fact I would not be surprised if you already are, or have done that. For you, it is not “right or Left” that matters. Nothing in the argument matters. It is only the argument and nothing more. And the more vigorous from the other side, the better.
It is the essence of your enjoyment to tweak people and get them to respond in an angry or antagonistic manner. I imagine your glee when you have “hooked a sucker.” I hear you saying “I got ‘em again. Boy are they jerks,” (with the appropriate grin.) Or words to that effect.
You also posted that
“A constructive question will not betray the position of the questioner, Merlin”.
Yes, and this is also true of you as well. You never state what you really believe or think, so no one knows who you really are or what you believe. You hide in your deceptive anonymity, safe from the real world of life. That of truly speaking your mind. Speaking out, not to be argumentative, but to stand for something, and be willing to go on record with it. I wonder if have ever really done that. If not, how truly sad that is for you.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:42 pmYay! The name hijacker has been deleted!! Thanks, TP!
May 8th, 2007 at 10:52 pmMerlin, you smooth talker…. :D
May 8th, 2007 at 10:53 pmMerlin, you smooth talker…. :D
Comment by Zooey — May 8, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
Thanks Zooey
Praise from Caesar is praise indeed!
May 8th, 2007 at 11:00 pmIf my sweetie, VV, wants to hang upside down for a few hours I welcome its sacrifice. Isn’t that right sweetie? Be brave now, we don’t those other troll at the troll locker room to see you crying. Think happy thoughts! You provide us with fun sweetie. Sweet music. Blappity, blappity, blippity, blap
Comment by Merlin — May 8, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
Merlin, does vv hang upside down because she it BAT shit crazy. Or is she BAT shit crazy because she hands upside down?
May 8th, 2007 at 11:00 pmThanks Zooey
Praise from Caesar is praise indeed!
Comment by Merlin
Heh. Count on it, one day you’ll have her melting in your hands like butter. :D
May 8th, 2007 at 11:02 pmMerlin, does vv hang upside down because she it BAT shit crazy. Or is she BAT shit crazy because she hands upside down?
Comment by Shane — May 8, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
BwaaaaHaaaaaHaaaaa
Best laugh of the day for me! Thanks, Shane!
May 8th, 2007 at 11:05 pmMerlin, does vv hang upside down because she it BAT shit crazy. Or is she BAT shit crazy because she hands upside down?
Comment by Shane — May 8, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
Blech…
May 8th, 2007 at 11:09 pmKeeping track of both fantasy and reality at the same time can be difficult at times. But I can always count on you folks here to keep my feet on the ground.
Heh. Count on it, one day you’ll have her melting in your hands like butter. :D
Comment by Zooey — May 8, 2007 @ 11:02 pm
Oooops disregard comment #160. Wrong quote. Here we go.
Blech…
May 8th, 2007 at 11:13 pmKeeping track of both fantasy and reality at the same time can be difficult at times. But I can always count on you folks here to keep my feet on the ground.
There is something seriously wrong with a reichwinger who claims to be a female. Wingers are seriously flawed individuals and a female is really flawed to want to be in that category.
Comment by kasinca — May 8, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
vv seems female to me but a seriously flawed female. She is a pathological liar with delusions of grandeur. She believes herself to be intellectually “gifted” however it is more a case of believing her own press.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:18 pmOff topic but anybody on the West Coast who wants to see a good trial scene on “enemy combatants” at Gitmo should watch Boston Legal on ABC tonight.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:21 pmBlech…
Keeping track of both fantasy and reality at the same time can be difficult at times. But I can always count on you folks here to keep my feet on the ground.
Comment by Merlin
You just let us know if you need us to hold you down. Or hold her down. Or hit her with a cattle prod. Whatever ya need. :D
May 8th, 2007 at 11:21 pmWhenever Mr. President is around there is a lot of namejacking.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:23 pmTrolls require namejacking. Do you ever notice that one will ask the correct pointed question of a troll. That troll then goes away but there are always other that spew a different line of filth.
May 9th, 2007 at 12:13 amMerlin - You are one funny guy! My political, social and moral philosophies are well documented here and on the couple of conservative blogs. To recap for you (and with apologies to the Leftist comrades who have read this synopsis before):
My dad, a staunch Irish-Catholic and my mother, an Austrian Jewess (who was able to escape Austria as a child with her family 2 months after the Nazis occupied that country) were quite conservative. This was unusual in their social circle as the majority of their friends were flaming liberals. Weekends and evenings were filled with debates and witty repartee in which politics, art, the law and social justice were the ordinary topics.
As children, my siblings and I soaked up this atmosphere. We saw friends argue, make counter points, embrace and leave. And the next occasion would be a repeat performance on a different topic.
As a “rebellious” and independent teenager, I sided with the liberals, who I viewed as compassionate and caring. My father died suddenly at a young age - I was the oldest of five kids. My mother was the bravest person I knew - even though we agreed on very little.
Politically, my first party registration was the Socialist Workers Party. Within a short time I began my brief 2 year stint as a member of the Peace and Freedom Party. Realizing Dems (while more moderate than I would have liked) was the Party of national consequence, I became a Democrat.
I graduated from college determined to go to law school. I was recruited to join the US Navy, and became a criminal defense attorney in JAG. In the meantime, I met my future husband, Prince Valiant, while I was interviewing him as a character witness for a client of mine. He was conservative, handsome, and honourable. Naturally, I couldn’t stand him!
He was impressed with my “unflappability” in the courtroom and “my zeal” - and the rest is history. We argued politics and got married.
As a civilian, I received a thank you note from the late, corrupt former DNC Chairman Ron Brown, (President Clinton’s Commerce Secretary) thanking me for something I had done for the Party. He asked that Iwork on a particular fundraising effort. A few days later, it hit me that for all the time, money and rhetoric that liberals had poured into urban centers, the result was self-congratulations with little, if any, meaningful progress. Things never seemed to get done but a healthy dose of “we care more” was always handy. I was sick of hearing excuses for behaviours which contributed to physical and moral bankruptcy. I had known too successful people - some wealthy, some not - who had overcome lifes’ vissitudes due to wonderful parents and perserverance. I realized Dems did not want people to pull themselves out of their ruts - they needed them kept in manageable poverty. I became a Republican a week later.
I am pro-America - I owe this country (with all her flaws) my allegiance and loyalty. To have a place that allows people the freedom to succeed or fail is a testament of her greatness.
I believe in a strong national defense as we have had war declared on the West, and the US in particular, by Islamic radicals.
I believe in God and firmly believe that our nation has been blessed in large measure due to our defense of Israel and the Jews.
I am pro-life and anti-death penalty. (I fear irreparable mistakes and have assisted the Innocence Project.) I believe my clients deserve a zealous defense to assure their rights are not abridged. I am death qualified and (merciful God) have not had a client receive the death penalty.
I think that gun control is a great excuse for criminals to be the only one on the block “carrying”.
I think it is criminal the way the ACLU (to which I formerly belonged) sued the Reagan administration to release homeless mentally ill people from hospitals. (And they call themselves compassionate - that is some twisted compassion!)
I think parenting is a lost art. Sadly, too many children these days have no clue how to entertain themselves and erroneously believe the universe revolves around them.
I love polite kids and Girl Scout Cookies. Little League, BBQ’s and arguing politics are favourite pastimes.
I love charities and think generational welfare is a crime. I think that lowering the bar for people is patronizing and gives them an excuse to fail. I think most people are good and have the ability to rise to reasonable levels of their own high expectations.
So, not surprisingly, you are wrong about most of your assumptions about me.
Goood night…………
May 9th, 2007 at 12:55 amOK, spell it out loud and clear
Gimme an F
gimmy an R
gimme an A
gimmee a G
Go ahead, extend my ass, and watch yours…
May 9th, 2007 at 1:31 am