The KKK is one of the few organizations in America standing up for traditional white, Christian values.

WE NEED TO ELECT MORE GREAT MEN LIKE TED POE TO THE US CONGRESS AND TAKE BACK AMERICA!

By the way I think the KKK is the biggest joke and should go try to defeat the Iraqis and Palastinians.

In the end, Poe, W., and the rest of the War Mongers will eventually be out of office and then more facts will start to appear to reveal all the little truths that they’ve kept hidden for so long.

After the war he gained infamy as an early member of the Ku Klux Klan. As the first Grand Wizard of the Klan, he used his popularity to help it grow.”

I fail to see how quoting someone who was a great military tactician on military tactics makes the quoter a racist just because the person he quotes just happened to be racist. Now, I hate Republicans as much as the next libertarian, but this is just rediculous! You all should be pointing out the fact that you cant wage a mobile war (the kind that Forrest waged) when you’re an occupying force.
But I guess all this hate has more to do with the anti-Confederacy agenda implanted into all Americans via government-approved history text books than anything else.

Jesuschristonabicycle!

Can’t a guy turn off the TV, or stop Blogging, long enough to go to work, without some idiot ( Liberal Minion of W.A.C.K.I.E., or Conservative, extreme, RightWinger, take yer pick! ), sticking his/her foot in mouth, or head up behind???

It’s 1 am, I’m going to bed! ;-D

“Southern dummy: “You Yankees and liberal Dumocrats who are miffed”

Dumb southern voters have a great deal to do with the state of our country today. Period. The current version of the Republican party would be nowhere without dumb southern voters. And, I still say that the confederacy was the worst thing that has ever happened to our country. It deserves nothing but derision and disgrace. The dumb southerners who still defend it are a disgrace as Americans.”

Yes I still defend the Southern Confederacy and will until my last day on earth.

And if you don’t like it….you can kiss my royal Southern Scottish ass!!

So when a a Confederate General with strong KKK ties to the origins of the KKK (however you want to characterize the organization at it’s beginnings) is invoked, how the heck do you think Most people are going to take it? Do most people have a detailed education about the details of the Reconstruction era in the US? Why does Poe make this comment. Is it meant to somehow play to the better half of our instincts and somehow unite us in a time of war?

it was not a helpful to anyone but mr poe, who can rally his constituents against the malicious attacks of outsiders and solidify his tenuous base in what are very difficult times for someone supporting president Bush’s direction in Iraq. let’s not try and be more clever by half, because fact is it ain’t so clever at all. most of the nation is sick of distraction and would like to see someone take responsibility to enact change for the better. if that is what mr poe thinks the surge is accomplishing ad that it should be given time to work, than good for him, leave the distractions out of it. if he is so sure, leave the distractions out of it. if you are so sure, quit arguing about a figure from 150 years ago and broad terms like liberal or progressive that have had so many meanings attached to them that they no longer carry any.

Poe seems to have inspired only a “discussion” regarding who is a better student of American History and whether the right or the left is more open minded. a lot of thought and emotion have gone into this discussion. a lot of dirt slung form both sides. to be honest, who gives a shit?

nice to quibble on some blog, but in reality, aren’t the issues that he is supposedly speaking to no less important: war and our future course of action, the national security of the country, the lives of our soldiers and the lives of the people of Iraq, the possibility of a wider or recurring conflict?

I find his reference to Forrest disingenuous because it is of no consequence or relation to the bigger picture, yet he must have known that it would inspire such passions things that we can all go on calling each other names about for the next 150 years without really helping our efforts in Iraq. You think as a politician he isn’t using this to his benefit. Shameful. American soldiers are dieing at over 100 per month and his comments lend to distraction and bickering.

You want to be right about something and make a difference, try doing something for a soldier or his family who have sacrificed for this country. Maybe start making some sacrifices of your own that could matter.

Sorry for the anger of my tone. I just get mad that we are tearing eachother to shreads over theoretical bs rather than focusing on a harsh and important reality.

to be honest, who gives a shit? nice to quibble on some blog, but in reality, aren’t the issues that he is supposedly speaking to no less important than the issue a war and our future course of action, the national security of the country, the lives of our soldiers and the lives of the people of Iraq, the possibility of a wider or recurring conflict?

I find his reference to Forrest disingenuous for the very reason that we are all here discussing things of no consequence to the bigger picture, things that we can all go on calling each other names about for the next 150 years without really helping our efforts in Iraq. You think as a politician he isn’t using this to his benefit. Shameful. American soldiers are dieing at over 100 per month. Let’s focus, not distract and bicker. You want to make a difference, quit pointing out how misinformed the other side is. Do something for a soldier or his family who have sacrificed for this country. Maybe start making some sacrifices ofyour own that could matter.

Sorry for the anger of my tone. I just get mad that we are tearing eachother to shreads over theoretical bs rather than focusing on a harsh and important reality.

Who financed both sides of the civil war? Brits did. The southern states would not have seceded had they not known they would receive financing from London.

Now, in 1863, there was a move among British financiers to have England intervene to protect their legitimate interests. London was considering it.
Bismarck heard about it, and sent a whole slew of Prussian military officer – observers – who were quick to join, train and lead the tired Union Armies.

McClellan, tired of the bloodshed, ran against Lincoln on the premise of accepting the secession. He was financed by London financiers.

On the other hand, a crazy Karl Marx had heard about it, and wrote
flaming appeals to all the German Americans and German Canadians who had been pacifists and Fouriest “utopian socialists”. Entire communities of German-Canadian enlisted in the Union Armies following the call of Karl Marx. My great grandfather hendrick Doering was one of them.

The Prussians came down via Railroad, and then marched from Atlanta to the sea, breaking the back of the “antebellum south”. After the war, most of them returned to canada in the area around Kitchener.

The point is, when all those German Canadians enlisted in droves following the appeal of Marx, British financiers and London military knew that they could lose Canada if they entered the civil war on the side of the south.
The plan was dropped very quickly.

Marx helped to win the U.S. civil war.

Back to funding. As a vet, I know how iraq is depleating the manpower of an all volunteer army, is lowering first term enlistments, lowering re-enlistments and extension of officer commissions. Moral is way down.

Forseeable. Now, Democrats can put a nasty double bind on Mr. Bush.
The double bind goes like this – either set a clear timetable for withdrawel from the Iraq fiasco or re-instate the draft to beef up the military and relieve volunteer troops.

As for Iraq. Let us take another perspective. When Franco fought against the Republican Government of Spain during the Spanish civil war, he was aided by the fascist governments of Germany and Italy.

Two Uncles of mine, following the example of my great grandfather, sailed
for France and filtered into Spain via France to fight francoS fascists alongside the republican troops.

They later served in the U.S. Army and Navy respectively during W.W.II.

The LESSON FOR US from that Spanish Civil War…… Just like my uncles fourght for the Republicans, it is perhaps conceivable that Moslems from all over the Moslem world will fight us, just as they filtered in to fight the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Al Qaida was really a “blow back” from that period. We are the best recruiter for radical Islam just as Breschnev and Co.were the best recruiter for the same in the 80s.

Not an easy quandry we face. I suggest congress tacking on a double bind – on all future Iraq funding bills submitted by the president.
Either set a clear and close timetable for withdrawel, or support our volunteer troops by re-instating the draft.

That puts the burden on the Bushitees. Knowing the middle east, I am in favour of strategic redeployment, and calling an international conference of all of Iraq’s neighbours – Kuwait, Turkey, Saudi-Arabia, Syria, and Iran, to iron out agreements between themselves for ending the civil – religious strife in Iraq,emphasing the Koran’s stress on “Greater Djihad” over
“Lesser Djihad”.

All the Best – Use your brains. Old Fashioned Lincoln Liberal.

The historical fact is that Nathan Bedford Forrest’s alleged involvement with the Ku Klux Klan was thoroughly investigated by a Congressional committee in 1871. Their conclusion, after conducting their investigation, was that Forrest’s only involvement with the KKK was in his efforts to have it disband. They concluded he did not found it, he did not lead it and he did not participate in its activities. A Congressional committee populated with Radical Republicans (they were the liberals back then, remember Lincoln?) concluded that.

Also the so-called “Fort Pillow Massacre” was thoroughly debunked about 130 years ago. Many of the “facts” in Ken Burns Civil War are not facts at all, just his opinion.

but as the Constitution defines it (a citizen who levies war against the United States)

Gawd man. Either you are ignorant, and haven’t read the Constitution, or you are dishonest, and are leaving some pretty important things out.

So which is it Eric? Are you ignorant or a liar?

RE: Southerners

You may want to read the book Born Fighting by Sen. James Webb (D) if you want to learn a thing or two about southeners, during the Civil War or now.

That is if you you actually give a shit. If you just want to be an ignorant asshole, by all means, don’t.

Now, on to the mis-quoting of Forrest, racist or not (he obviously was, since he chose to buy slaves), he was a TRAITOR to the United States. Not a traitor as the right now chooses to define the word (i.e. anybody who doesn’t bow down and kiss the feet of the Pretzeldent), but as the Constitution defines it (a citizen who levies war against the United States)

It shows the depths to which the Republican Party has fallen that they need to quote Traitors to support their position.

How about concentrating on his point (or lack of point) instead of who he’s quoting.