ThinkFast: May 8, 2007
ThinkFast: May 8, 2007
“The Air Force’s fleet of warplanes is older than ever and wearing out faster because of heavy use in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to the service’s top combat commander.”
“The chance that an Iraqi child will live beyond age 5 has plummeted faster than anywhere else in the world since 1990,” according to the group Save the Children, which “placed the country last in its child survival rankings. One in eight Iraqi children died of disease or violence before reaching their fifth birthday in 2005.”
Senate conservatives “effectively killed a measure that would have let Americans buy prescription medicines from foreign suppliers, which sponsors said could have saved consumers billions of dollars.” A ‘poison pill’ amendment from Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) passed 49-40 in a “major victory for the pharmaceutical industry.”
“Former President Bill Clinton announced agreements with drug companies Tuesday to lower the price in the developing world of AIDS drugs resistant to initial treatments and to make a once-a-day AIDS pill available for less than $1 a day.”
“Leading governments of Europe, mounting a new campaign to push Paul D. Wolfowitz from his job as World Bank president, signaled Monday that they were willing to let the United States choose the bank’s next chief, but only if Mr. Wolfowitz stepped down soon.”
“Patricia Roe, Rep. Rick Renzi’s (R-AZ) chief of staff, has quit her fundraising duties for the lawmaker to spend more time concentrating on her Congressional job while her boss is engulfed in legal troubles.” Roe’s husband, Jason, who was formerly the chief of staff to Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL), also recently resigned from the campaign of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
“Congressional leaders from both political parties are giving President Bush a matter of months to prove that the Iraq war effort has turned a corner, with September looking increasingly like a decisive deadline.” Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) said, “I do think this fall we have to see some significant changes on the ground.”
And finally: On Sunday night’s episode of “The Sopranos,” Carmela Soprano is seen reading a peculiar book in bed: Weekly Standard executive editor Fred Barnes’ “Rebel in Chief,” an admiring character study of President Bush. Asked about what lessons a mafia wife might take away from his book, Barnes replied, “there is a theory that the mafia represents a certain conservatism — unrestricted capitalism and traditionalism.”
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“The Air Forces is older than ever and wearing out faster because of heavy use in Iraq and Afghanistan….etc…”
That’s the whole idea from the start? Right?
May 8th, 2007 at 9:11 amWear ‘em down and burn ‘em out so we can buy new ones to keep the conflict capitalist economy booming…………
Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, McDonnel-Douglas are all very happy campers these days……
““The Air Force’s fleet of warplanes is older than ever and wearing out faster ”
Good.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:11 amhttp://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/08/terror/main2773084.shtml#Post
May 8th, 2007 at 9:11 amExley. Was this you?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18541254/
Where were you opening day, and how much did you drink?
:-)
May 8th, 2007 at 9:18 am“Senate conservatives “effectively killed a measure that would have let Americans buy prescription medicines from foreign suppliers, which sponsors said could have saved consumers billions of dollars.†A ‘poison pill’ amendment from Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) passed 49-40 in a “major victory for the pharmaceutical industry.—
Aren’t the Republicans the party of the “Free Market?” This seems like market manipulation to me. So much for ‘free trade’ eh?
May 8th, 2007 at 9:18 am“Senate conservatives” is disingenuous. These folks also voted for the Cochran amendment, including two prominent non-conservatives from Massachusetts. Geography rather than ideology seemed the over-riding concern.
Baucus (D-MT)
May 8th, 2007 at 9:22 amBayh (D-IN)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-NE)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
It is the Drug amendment– if anyone thinks for one second that our(Dems) are standing up for us– Forget it. Just check the votes on the drug amendment.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:22 ambilljpa
“The Air Force’s fleet of warplanes is older than ever and wearing out faster â€
The Navy is in worse shape, one of it’s ships is almost 200 years old.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:25 amActually, a congressional study showed that while the savings would be billions of dollars, it would come over the course of several years, and the savings would generally be insignificant – just 1 percent. Also, hasn’t the FDA made it clear that they can’t determine whether foreign drugs are safe?
I know, no link. I’ll post one shortly.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:31 amThe Navy is in worse shape, one of it’s ships is almost 200 years old.
Comment by WaltTheMan — May 8, 2007 @ 9:25 am
ummm… what?
May 8th, 2007 at 9:33 amWhat caused those dims to vote against the saving of money? I can see that the free market is only allowed to operate when the big corps need to crush smaller competition, but once the big boys are in control the free market is “free” for them to feed freely at the public trough. Did the dims give us an excuse that the bill was “flawed” and they will get a better one done soon?
May 8th, 2007 at 9:34 am“The chance that an Iraqi child will live beyond age 5 has plummeted faster than anywhere else in the world since 1990,†according to the group Save the Children, which “placed the country last in its child survival rankings. One in eight Iraqi children died of disease or violence before reaching their fifth birthday in 2005.â€
They’re out of the womb, so doesn’t matter. /Republican “culture of life”
Senate conservatives “effectively killed a measure that would have let Americans buy prescription medicines from foreign suppliers, which sponsors said could have saved consumers billions of dollars.†A ‘poison pill’ amendment from Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) passed 49-40 in a “major victory for the pharmaceutical industry.â€
But, of course, the private healthcare system is the best in the world. Yeah, right.
“Congressional leaders from both political parties are giving President Bush a matter of months to prove that the Iraq war effort has turned a corner, with September looking increasingly like a decisive deadline.†Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) said, “I do think this fall we have to see some significant changes on the ground.â€
What is slower than a slow learner?
And finally: On Sunday night’s episode of “The Sopranos,†Carmela Soprano is seen reading a peculiar book in bed: Weekly Standard executive editor Fred Barnes’ “Rebel in Chief,†an admiring character study of President Bush. Asked about what lessons a mafia wife might take away from his book, Barnes replied, “there is a theory that the mafia represents a certain conservatism — unrestricted capitalism and traditionalism.â€
The other way around. The GOP has been cloning the Maffia methods all the way along. Ommertà (Silence), Cronyinsm, Nepotism, Under the Table Deals, Money Whitewashing, Thugs in Suits…
May 8th, 2007 at 9:34 amthere is a theory that the mafia represents a certain conservatism — unrestricted capitalism and traditionalism.â€
This explains the Bush Crime Family’s main objective; make as much money as possible & damn the consequences. Kill, neglect, ignore or smear anyone in your way. Appoint cronies in powerful positions along with an internal monitoring network to snitch on anyone not towing the Party line. Use two word descriptors to strike fear in uninformed citizens. Take credit, (War on Terror), for the biggest fcuk up in America’s history while absolving yourself of any responsibility for that neglect.
Even at 28% approval, the lowest of any President in modern times, we are still expected to believe the BS Bush & his cronies spout daily.
Worst. President. Ever.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:37 amInvestigate. Impeach. Incarcerate.
Thanks for the list of senators voting for the Cochran amendment. I was curious after hearing that it had passed. Interesting to see that no presidential candidates voted for it, but I understand that Obama did not vote. The D’s on this list disappoint me.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:38 amU.S. drugs are among the most expensive in the world. It’s time for drug companies to cut the flashy, constant advertising and lose their egos. They also seem to have a problem using the word “research” as a cover to try to justify making drugs extremely expensive. I think there are a number of ways domestic companies can clean up their act before we look to foreign drugs.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:40 am“The Air Force’s fleet of warplanes is older than ever and wearing out faster because of heavy use in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to the service’s top combat commander.â€
Another great success for war companies. More selling in the horizon.
“The chance that an Iraqi child will live beyond age 5 has plummeted faster than anywhere else in the world since 1990,â€
Shock and awe working perfectly.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:40 am“I do think this fall we have to see some significant changes on the ground.â€
Perhaps a new IED model.
“One in eight Iraqi children died of disease or violence before reaching their fifth birthday in 2005.â€
Wow, we should be so proud. Look what we have done. I weep for what we have become. May god have mercy on all our souls.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:42 am#10 – hacker bob ,
May 8th, 2007 at 9:42 amThe USS Constitution.
Actually, the Navy’s oldest boat is 210 years old:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constitution
May 8th, 2007 at 9:42 am“The Air Force’s fleet of warplanes is older than ever and wearing out faster because of heavy use in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to the service’s top combat commander.â€
by thinkprogress.org
this obviously will only shock people that know nothing about the Air Force, Jet Planes and those that don’t bother to read the USAToday article.
1) Democratic politicians have made every effort to not allow the Air Force to buy new planes.
2) F-22 Raptors are the newest bad jet fighters in the block.
3) F-18 Hornets and SuperHornets are relatively new planes. These were the best jet fighters in the world until the F-22 Raptors came out, which replaced the F-14.
4) U-2 spy planes were built in the 1960s. These planes are so good and great that they are still flying today. The Air Force and the CIA, have asked for a long time that Congress appropiate new funds to create a better plane than the U-2 spy plane and ladies and gentleman, which party do you think has worked hard to not give these funds? Yes, of course the Democratic Party.
this whole article is misleading since first it doesn’t talk about the F-jet fighters series, which are relative new. It also doesn’t address the fact that jet planes of today, and those built in the 70s, 80s and 90s have twice if not three times the life span than planes build in the 40s, 50s and 60s.
As for the A-10 Warhog, old plane that was to be put out of commission by the end of the 1980s, but when Gulf War I came around and the Warhog did so well, the Airforce decided to keep it around and refurbish it.
Once again, this article will only scare the ignorant and the fools. Those that know will just laugh at the fear monguering of the article.
The Jet fighters are not flying any more sorties in Iraq or Afghanistan.
this is written by an alarmist journalist, who inteviewed an alarmist General who obviously disagrees with Air Force policy of refurbishing the U-2 Spy planes and the A-10 Warhogs.
leave it to thinkprogress.org to pick this up and be dishonest about it.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:44 amI get it. The real meaning of GWB’s “No Child Left Behind” is to allow them to die for a fake causa belli. And, silly me, I thought the Republicans were the big pro life party. Congress must stop this American sponsored genocide.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:47 amSenate conservatives “effectively killed a measure that would have let Americans buy prescription medicines from foreign suppliers, which sponsors said could have saved consumers billions of dollars.†A ‘poison pill’ amendment from Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS) passed 49-40 in a “major victory for the pharmaceutical industry.â€
by thinkprogress.org
wait, wait…I thought Democrats were in control of Congress? what happened? 49-40 vote? that means that there were Democrats that voted for this bill. Thus thinkprogress lead sentence for this story is misleading! since without the Democrats that voted for this bill the bill wouldn’t have passed, right? hmmmm…….
So, it should read, “Democrats that voted with Republicans effectively killed a measure….” but oops, can’t expect a Liberal site to be honest can we now.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:48 am#7…The two parties as have been presented to us as’ Left wing & Right wing’ and as the media is trying to convince us are nothing but two wings of the same bird…
Both parties voted for the war..
Both parties funded the war.
Both parties’ leaders are calling for another war with IRAN
Both parties get favors from medical establishment.
Both parties now claim they are closer to God and values.
Both parties don’t want to see another ‘third party’ sharing power with them. ..
when Al Gore debated Bush..Ralph Nader was denied the debate. They knew that he knows a lot, passionate about the issues,articulate..he can box both of them…
They refused him…he had to go to court..still no luck there…
Just last week after GOP debates..Ron Paul looked the winner…but the media ignored him…ABC did even have his name in their polling, which angered thousands of people who wrote e-mails and phoned the network..finally under pressure from public..they added his name..he is considered outsider,and his ideas considered extreme. Although there is nothing exreme about Ron…
May 8th, 2007 at 9:48 amComment by WaltTheMan — May 8, 2007 @ 9:42 am
I thought you meant one that is still used for combat purposes. Like the Air Force birds.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:49 am#20: ValianttheMoron: But, the Republicans ran the Defense Dept and both houses of Congress for the past 6 years. Any shortfall in funding for new planes or other equipment happened on the Republicans’ watch. Do you have any other point that actually stands up to even basic scrutiny?
May 8th, 2007 at 9:49 amU-2 spy planes were built in the 1960s.
Comment by valiantthehater
SPY planes? Why would the US, the champion of freedom, peace and democracy want spy planes? /sarc
May 8th, 2007 at 9:51 am“The chance that an Iraqi child will live beyond age 5 has plummeted faster than anywhere else in the world since 1990,â€
“I believe it is the most basic duty of Government to guard the innocent. With that in mind, I will veto any legislation … that encourages the destruction of human life at any stage.” So said President Bush yesterday in identical letters sent to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Ca.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nv.).
In his letters, the President wrote, “I am concerned that this year the Congress may consider legislation that could … allow taxpayer dollars to be used for the destruction of human life.”
True to his word, the President vetoed Congress’ War Funding Bill, thus blocking Congress’ attempt to continue an illegal and immoral war which has resulted in nearly 3/4 of a million deaths of innocent children, women, and men.
~Winston Smith
May 8th, 2007 at 9:51 am18 -
:-)
May 8th, 2007 at 9:51 amEven at 28% approval, the lowest of any President in modern times, we are still expected to believe the BS Bush & his cronies spout daily.
Worst. President. Ever.
Investigate. Impeach. Incarcerate.
Comment by Zimzone — May 8, 2007 @ 9:37 am
Actually, Harry Truman had the lowest approval rating ever in the history of any modern President, 22%.
Don’t let your hate for Bush twist and revise history.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:52 amPlease provide examples of every effort made.
Nice strawman
The Air Force and the CIA, have asked for a long time that Congress appropiate new funds to create a better plane than the U-2 spy plane
May 8th, 2007 at 9:53 amReally? and how long has the Republicans had the majority in Congress? (my guess would be for a long time
Again, nice strawman
#19 – BnF,
May 8th, 2007 at 9:53 amI should have looked it up. I was just reiterating the spiel I heard many years back when I visited the ship.
U-2 spy planes were built in the 1960s.
Comment by valiantthehater
SPY planes? Why would the US, the champion of freedom, peace and democracy want spy planes? /sarc
Comment by Juan C — May 8, 2007 @ 9:51 am
to guard itself against nations like the ex-Soviet union, Iran, N. Korean, etc…..you not only admire monsters, El Che, you aren’t too good on trying to think, are you now?
how are rich mommy an daddy doing?
May 8th, 2007 at 9:54 amI’m always been troubled by the efforts to make AIDS medications cheaper and more readily available in Africa. The effort to get the millions of people their meds on the exacting schedules and dosages required may be too much. We could very well end up with an AIDS virus that has built resistance to the medications due to half-measures on the dosage schedules.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:55 amI’m sure I’ll be called racist, but the infrastructure in MOST of Africa isn’t exactly condusive to quality, uninterrupted health care for AIDS patients.
Tarazan,
You’re right. The media hates moderates and independents. A stern moderate and visionary would be best for the white house in 2008, not ambitious Hillary or any of those Reagan wannabes.
Hillary is odd and her staff is rude and stuck-up. It’s time for a new, comprehensive party to join the fray.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:55 amComment by tarazan — May 8, 2007 @ 9:48 am
The problem with the two parties system is the locked system they produce. If you’re not with a party, automatically, you’re with the other party. And it’s simply false, as is false label Democrats as “The Left” and Republicans as “The Right”. First, because there are a series of viewpoints that aren’t exclusive of Democrats or Republicans, pro or against (Weapon possession, Immigration), and second, because there exist A LOT of flavors of “Left” and “Right” in the world, not necessarily bad, but different.
Think, for example of the Demochristians in Europe: they are basically rightist, but they are in favor of the authentic christian values (in opposition to some fundamentalist wackos): public healthcare, public retirement pays, protection of the workers, etc.
The authentic problem of the USA society is being capable of thinking outside of the box. Or not.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:56 amDon’t let your hate for Bush twist and revise history.
Comment by valiantthehaterbater — May 8, 2007 @ 9:52 am
Don’t let your hatred for the left program you to make false and illogical claims
May 8th, 2007 at 9:56 amDRxJ,
sorry kid, wrong again, Democrats and RINO Republicans have not allowed the Air Force to acquire as many new jet fighters as the Air Force would want.
Even the new F-22 Raptor, an incredible plane, the Air Force had to cut the oder of the planes that it wanted by over half since congress didn’t appropiate all the funds.
I would urge you to open up a book and get an education. You will sound a lot less ignorant, ok? do yourself this favor.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:56 am#10, you have to be kidding right bob? I thought that as a marine you of all the people on this board should know that the USS Constitution is still a commissioned warship. The guy was makign a joke, that you apparently missed and the constitution is 210 years old.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:57 amAnd You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid,
Valiant isn’t speaking only of the last six years. Take some criticism, please.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:59 am#4 DRxJ,
On advise of counsel, I cannot comment.
May 8th, 2007 at 9:59 amWhile pharmacetical companies can outsource jobs, civilians cannot outsource their medical supply? How is this free market economics? How is this fair? I can buy Japanese cars and all kinds of products not made in the USA…but not a pill? I can buy oil from the middle east and around the globe…but not a simple medication?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:00 amI would urge you to open up a book and get an education. You will sound a lot less ignorant, ok? do yourself this favor.
Comment by valiantthehater — May 8, 2007 @ 9:56 am
Well hullo Jake! Long time no talk to since I busted your ballz for plageurizing a true American Hero’s profile as your own.
Whatever your moniker is, it’s easy to identify as your writing style never changes.
Anyway, care to provide examples of your claims, Mr Latino Heat (this week)?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:03 amComment by Mark — May 8, 2007 @ 9:57 am
Mark, YES, I know the Constitution is still in service. Yes the joke was lost on me, I am a little slow today. Too little coffee, too late of a night.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:03 amOn advise of counsel, I cannot comment.
Comment by Exley
Heh.
Please, I’m begging you, tell us you didn’t hire the Mighty Hag. She’s not really a lawyer, you know. :D
May 8th, 2007 at 10:03 amPatricia Roe, Rep. Rick Renzi’s (R-AZ) chief of staff, has quit her fundraising duties for the lawmaker to spend more time concentrating on her Congressional job while her boss is engulfed in legal troubles.†Roe’s husband, Jason, who was formerly the chief of staff to Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL), also recently resigned from the campaign of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
Cute couple.
Not.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:05 amto guard itself against nations like the ex-Soviet union, Iran, N. Korean, etc….
Against Iran? Why would the US deposed Mossadegh? Iran attacked the US? Soviets attacked US? Thats why you have 5000 nuclear warheads? Delusion.
you not only admire monsters, El Che,
Thats nothing new. That was the official version in Argentina when the dictatorship ruled. Good to see you side with torturers.
you aren’t too good on trying to think, are you now?
Coming from a medieval guy who describes objects as evil, I can live with that comment.
how are rich mommy an daddy doing?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:05 amComment by valiantthehater
What??? Hahahahahaha. Whatever.
“The Air Force’s fleet of warplanes is older than ever and wearing out faster because of heavy use in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to the service’s top combat commander.â€
Airplanes don’t wear like cars….they go thru more brakes and tires than anything and jet engines are reliable and last for quite some time (and still don’t outlast the airframe) plus their is a whole desert full of perfectly good planes and parts in Arizona in mothball state.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:06 amWhile pharmacetical companies can outsource jobs, civilians cannot outsource their medical supply? How is this free market economics? How is this fair? I can buy Japanese cars and all kinds of products not made in the USA…but not a pill? I can buy oil from the middle east and around the globe…but not a simple medication?
Comment by Tau — May 8, 2007 @ 10:00 am
Free market doesn’t exists if not enforced by governments. For corporations, it’s easy to have prisoner a high paying population, lobbying the GOP than compete freely with companies.
The “free market”, “trickle down” theory is simply a scam, a PR to convince workers that they will receive something in exchange if they let thrive the corporations freely.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:06 amThe chance that an Iraqi child will live beyond age 5 has plummeted faster than anywhere else in the world since 1990,†according to the group Save the Children, which “placed the country last in its child survival rankings. One in eight Iraqi children died of disease or violence before reaching their fifth birthday in 2005.
Killing them over there, so we don’t don’t have to kill them here?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:06 amWell hullo Jake! Long time no talk to since I busted your ballz for plageurizing a true American Hero’s profile as your own.
Whatever your moniker is, it’s easy to identify as your writing style never changes.
Anyway, care to provide examples of your claims, Mr Latino Heat (this week)?
Comment by DRxJ — May 8, 2007 @ 10:03 am
well, not only are you ignorant, you are also paranoid. hate to burst your bubble my ignorant friend, but I am not your boogey man Jake.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:07 amOn advise of counsel, I cannot comment.
Comment by Exley — May 8, 2007 @ 9:59 am
good one. I was going to comeback with a smart a$$ remark, but nothing will top Zooey’s reply, so I’ll quit while I’m ahead, and watch Jake (uh valiantheeaterbeater, or whatever) create more strawmen
May 8th, 2007 at 10:07 amToo little coffee, too late of a night.
Comment by hacker bob
Thats my boy. ;)
May 8th, 2007 at 10:08 amEvil Spaniard,
“Trickle down” economics turned into “tinkle down” economics. :)
May 8th, 2007 at 10:09 amEvil Spaniard,
and the problem with democratic systems in Europe that have like 50 parties is that you have to create a coalition in order to get anything done. Which creates havoc. Many European parliments get nothing done between election time because coalitions were not formed.
Although most Americans don’t fall 100% Republican or Democrat, I believe the two party system is best since it allows you to get things done rather quickly. Unless of course you are the do nothing Congress that just lost or the current do nothing Congress.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:09 amAnyway, care to provide examples of your claims, Mr Latino Heat (this week)?
Comment by DRxJ
I have to admit, pal, that’s borderline racist. Aren’t you supposed to be for social justice, or is that protection limited only to those who share your political thoughts? Quite pathetic you must be.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:10 amThe “free marketâ€, “trickle down†theory is simply a scam, a PR to convince workers that they will receive something in exchange if they let thrive the corporations freely.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — May 8, 2007 @ 10:06 am
Right on! Free market is a myth. How can US promote free market IN other countries but make huge loans on money to protect their products (subsidies)? Furthermore, how can this be free market when corporations only move their products from one of their companies to the other? Like 50% of economy.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:11 amThats my boy. ;)
Comment by Juan C
That explains something. :D
May 8th, 2007 at 10:11 amI have to admit, pal, that’s borderline racist.
Comment by JoeKnows — May 8, 2007 @ 10:10 am
Please explain to me how that is borderline racist
May 8th, 2007 at 10:12 amAbout renewing the spy planes: don’t seem too useful in today’s scenarios, where insurgents plant an IED in 2 minutes and after that, blend with the population, or the suicide bombers that come from nowhere and explode in a marketplace.
Looks a lot as if “someone” needs extra funding to attack another country with a functioning military, and missile batteries (wink wink nudge nudge).
May 8th, 2007 at 10:13 amMark, YES, I know the Constitution is still in service.
Comment by hacker bob
You mean the ship or the document?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:13 am#44, Zooey:
No, I hired someone who specializes in ballpark-related injuries. It’s a small-niche among lawyers….I saw his ad on TV.
“Have YOU been injured at a baseball game? Hit by a foul ball? Collide with a drunken fan? If so, you may be entitled to monetary damages!!!!”
I don’t know how good he is, though…His office is a kiosk at the mall.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:13 amleave it to thinkprogress.org to pick this up and be dishonest about it.
Comment by valiantthehater
I doubt the writers at TP are aircraft mechanics. They are reporting what the general said. I do not see them agreeing with them nor is posting an article proof of agreement. If anyone is being dishonest here it’s you VTH. The link (URL) clearly shows the article from USAtoday and it is to them that your sudo-blame should be directed. It’s Disengenious of you to say TP is being dishonest when your post is just that.
Besides are you an aircraft mechanic or work in the military or aerodynamic engineer?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:14 amI don’t know how good he is, though…His office is a kiosk at the mall.
Comment by Exley
I think you’ve made the right decision. :D
May 8th, 2007 at 10:15 amComment by Joe
Latino Heat is racist?
mmm…I was beginning to feel like a million bucks.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:15 amHis office is a kiosk at the mall.
Comment by Exley
Lionel Hutz.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:16 amAnyway, care to provide examples of your claims, Mr Latino Heat (this week)?
Comment by DRxJ
I have to admit, pal, that’s borderline racist. Aren’t you supposed to be for social justice, or is that protection limited only to those who share your political thoughts? Quite pathetic you must be.
Comment by Joe — May 8, 2007 @ 10:10 am
Joe, Liberals are the most racist individuals on planet Earth. Every single time I speak with a Liberal and they find out I am Latino they come up with some ridiculous line like DRxJ.
When I was hired here at my job, one of my subordinates, who is a super, duper Liberal, admitted to me that she was very hesitant to warm up to me because I was Latino.
Joe, i have experience more racism from Liberal Latinos and Liberals in general than from conservatives.
but shhhhh….don’t you dare tell Liberals they are racist, they will go crazy on you.
remember, Liberals love carrying on their shoulders, The Great White Guilt. And they treat minorities as pet projects.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:16 amI don’t know how good he is, though…His office is a kiosk at the mall.
Comment by Exley
It would be a huge improvement over chasing emergency vehicles I would think. Plus you can accidentally spill some water on the mall floor and then watch people slip n fall while! =)
May 8th, 2007 at 10:17 amThat explains something. :D
Comment by Zooey
Well… yes. ;)
May 8th, 2007 at 10:18 amDRxJ,
It doesn’t make any sense of you to reference his ethnicity when the issue is that of defense. Don’t single any one out, watch it.
Nobody, of course, has to account for anything to you, but everyone else has to cite their sources constantly when they counter your obviously naive statements.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:18 amThats my boy. ;)
Comment by Juan C
That explains something. :D
Comment by Zooey — May 8, 2007 @ 10:11 am
Nope, not what either of you are thinking
May 8th, 2007 at 10:19 amTau,
of course thinkprogress.org is being dishonest by linking us to this USAToday story.
They wouldn’t have linked us to it and made a story out of it, if they didn’t agree with it.
and if the generals in the story is being honest, how is it that the USAToday story doesn’t touch on the F-jet fighter series, it only talks about U-2 spy planes and A-10 Warhog, who anyone that reads about the Air Force knows that these are two of its oldest planes?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:19 amComment by valiantthehater — May 8, 2007 @ 10:16 am
You’ve spouted off complete and utter nonsense, and yet you’ve failed to provide examples.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:20 amHuh. Whodathunk?
remember, Liberals love carrying on their shoulders, The Great White Guilt. And they treat minorities as pet projects.
Comment by valiantthehater
Would you stop with that Coulter liberal crap already. That method of punditry is turning into coprolite as we watch. Great white guilt? Who and why would they carry your silly opinion around as if its truth?
What a bunch of colorful and smelly euphemistic fish bait.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:20 amActually, Harry Truman had the lowest approval rating ever in the history of any modern President, 22%. Don’t let your hate for Bush twist and revise history.
-Comment by valiantthehater
Don’t worry, Bush is well on his way to 22%! Additionally, my hate for Bush has nothing to do with revising history. In fact, your buddies are already doing just that. ‘Polishing his legacy’, as if he’s some kind of King. Gag me.
But…if you consider Harry ‘modern times’, good for you. Let’s see, that would put you at about 102 years old.
HAGGY BIRTHDAY, HAG!
May 8th, 2007 at 10:21 am#65 Exactly, Juan….It used to be an “Orange Julius.”
May 8th, 2007 at 10:22 amWhat a bunch of colorful and smelly euphemistic fish bait.
Comment by Tau
Reading him is like reading the Wall Street Journal Editorial. Thats why it is wiser to scroll past his posts.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:25 amand the problem with democratic systems in Europe that have like 50 parties is that you have to create a coalition in order to get anything done. Which creates havoc. Many European parliments get nothing done between election time because coalitions were not formed.
More like 4 or 5 here with Congress representation, thanks. And “havoc”? Please. A majority of the people votes to one of the two great parties, BUT, they rarely have a simple majority, so they must pact with the party/es that can help them to have the desired majority. It gives a more ample view and democratic approach to the government, because absolute majorities have been always nocive. “Havoc” again? Well, you wouldn’t expect the old communist party to ally with the rightist one, or the nationalist catalan partys ally with the nationalist spanish parties. So you know pretty well the alliances that will form after the ellections, and are quickly formed in most of the cases, if needed. And, being a coallition, makes the majority party don’t go wildly with its own agenda. So, it’s far more democratic than a two parties system, or “black” and “white” as your simple mind views it.
Although most Americans don’t fall 100% Republican or Democrat, I believe the two party system is best since it allows you to get things done rather quickly. Unless of course you are the do nothing Congress that just lost or the current do nothing Congress.
Comment by valiantthehater — May 8, 2007 @ 10:09 am
Yep, things done quickly. As the illegal Iraq war. Hooray for the quickness.
And finally, with the “do nothing congress (of the USA, of course)” meme you’re saying that, after all, the European system is better? Thanks a lot, VTH. /Sarc (?) off
May 8th, 2007 at 10:25 amTau, of course thinkprogress.org is being dishonest by linking us to this USAToday story.
Linking to an article does not constitute responsibility. Personally I don’t think the planes are in all that bad of shape from what I have seen and worked on over the years.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:26 am#63, Zooey…I hope so. After all, he IS a graduate of Regent University Law School….
May 8th, 2007 at 10:26 am“Latino heat” in itself might not be racist, but the context and setting in which you’re using it indicates that you would like to say something worse, simply because you disagree with him. Lets allow views and race to remain two different things here, respecting both. Valiant isn’t referring to anyone’s race when he has a disagreement. Keep it clean.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:27 amTau,
Yes, the Great White Guilt, Liberals who feel that they most somehow repay minorities for the sins of their ancestors. Reperations, school and work quotas, etc, etc.
many Liberals make themselves out to be the “Great White Hope” for the “poor” “little” minorities who live in the inner cities and you know, need help to make it in life. Because Liberals consider minorities too stupid and dumb to make it in the world without their help and the help of our government.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:27 amIt doesn’t make any sense of you to reference his ethnicity when the issue is that of defense. Don’t single any one out, watch it.
Comment by Joebloe — May 8, 2007 @ 10:18 am
Why Joe, are you threatening me? Oh dear, who will ever save me from the sheer terror of Joe’s infinite strength and wisdom over the internet(s)?
Not that I need to defend myself, but valianthehater is a constant, name changing troll, who one week is a decorated Korean war veteran, the next week he is a self proclaimed Latin American who absolutely dispises immigrants.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:28 am(By the way, Latino Heat is a nickname given to Eddie Guerrero by the WWE, so if you are truly offended, please feel free to write Vince McMahon)
Unless of course you are the do nothing Congress that just lost or the current do nothing Congress.
Comment by valiantthehater — May 8, 2007 @ 10:09 am
Valiant, the name ‘hater’ does fit you well. You can come here, be the enemy and argue and argue all day. Obviously, you like that as you keep coming back. You make some rationalization that you’re doing great work fighting the liberals. In fact, you’re just annoying people who generally despise you. Very sad.
Your above comment shows your convenient attitude of putting down whichever side you want when you want. Let’s ask the real question here – What are you doing to make this world a better place besides coming here and posting ridiculous right-wing crap, starting arguments, and annoying good liberals like myself?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:28 amWhat a bunch of colorful and smelly euphemistic fish bait.
Comment by Tau
Reading him is like reading the Wall Street Journal Editorial. Thats why it is wiser to scroll past his posts.
Comment by Juan C — May 8, 2007 @ 10:25 am
Juanito que paso hombre (if we can even call you this). Rich mommy and daddy not giving you enough money to buy your two Mercedez? is this why you believe in Marxism, but live like a capitalist?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:29 am#81 Yes, the Great White Guilt, Liberals who feel that they most somehow repay minorities for the sins of their ancestors. Reperations, school and work quotas, etc, etc.
many Liberals make themselves out to be the “Great White Hope†for the “poor†“little†minorities who live in the inner cities and you know, need help to make it in life. Because Liberals consider minorities too stupid and dumb to make it in the world without their help and the help of our government.
Comment by valiantthehater — May 8, 2007 @ 10:27 am
Cite the authors, please. In this case, is the KKK’s handbook for newcomers.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:29 amBecause Liberals consider minorities too stupid and dumb to make it in the world without their help and the help of our government.
Comment by valiantthehater — May 8, 2007 @ 10:27 am
Another completely inflammatory comment with no intention but starting arguments and trashing the quality of these discussions. Valiant, don’t you think there’s something better you could be doing with your time? You may not be smart enough to see it yourself, but you really come across as a loser right-wing creep with nothing better to do than hang out on left-wing bulletin boards. Creepy, stalking behavior if you ask me.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:31 amAnd they treat minorities as pet projects.
Comment by valiantthehater
Yet Rush singing some dumb parody about magick negroes is supposed to make them feel as equals? Rush and Imus are doing the GOP no favors. WTF?
The hypocrisy here is dripping VTH. Why would I believe that Rush and the conservatives are concerned about racial equality? Sheesh.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:31 amJuanito que paso hombre (if we can even call you this). Rich mommy and daddy not giving you enough money to buy your two Mercedez? is this why you believe in Marxism, but live like a capitalist?
Comment by valiantthehater
Who is ‘WE’, that great white guilt you wear?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:33 amExactly, Juan….It used to be an “Orange Julius.â€
Comment by Exley
Now it’s Dewey, Cheatham & Howe. :P
May 8th, 2007 at 10:33 amVTH.
*yawn*
May 8th, 2007 at 10:34 amRich mommy and daddy not giving you enough money to buy your two Mercedez? is this why you believe in Marxism, but live like a capitalist?
Comment by valiantthehater — May 8, 2007 @ 10:29 am
More and more inflammatory hate speech!! That’s what you’re really good at Mr. Hater. Are you proud of yourself? Do you show off your posts here to your family to show them what you’re doing with your life?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:34 amValiant, the name ‘hater’ does fit you well. You can come here, be the enemy and argue and argue all day. Obviously, you like that as you keep coming back. You make some rationalization that you’re doing great work fighting the liberals. In fact, you’re just annoying people who generally despise you. Very sad.
Your above comment shows your convenient attitude of putting down whichever side you want when you want. Let’s ask the real question here – What are you doing to make this world a better place besides coming here and posting ridiculous right-wing crap, starting arguments, and annoying good liberals like myself?
Comment by Vinnie — May 8, 2007 @ 10:28 am
Vinnie, first off, I am not as naive as you are and I know I will never change anyones mind by posting on a blog. I don’t come here to change anyone’s mind.
and ridiculous right wing crap? ridiculous according to who? you? please, nice left wing stupidity there. I guess you can write ridiculous left wing crap, but I can’t write ridiculous right wing crap? or what YOU consider right wing crap?
As for what I am doing….I can guarantee you that I am doing a lot more to change Ameirca and make it a better place than 99% of Liberlas who preach to America how to live, yet they don’t live what they preach.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:37 amDRxJ,
I know full well that that nickname was applied to the late Eddie Guerrero.
Regardless of whether he is actually Latino, it doesn’t reflect well on you to reference any persons race when the topic has nothing to do with it.
And no, I’m not threatning you.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:38 amBecause Liberals consider minorities too stupid and dumb to make it in the world without their help and the help of our government.
Comment by valiantthehate
Wow, you really are a hypocrite. You don’t like muslims, immigrants, Hispanics, Blacks, French and Europeans, Asians or even yourself. You approve of spending hundreds of billions in a country that George says hates our freedoms so that your tax dollars can be spent rebuilding what the expensive missiles blew up, that you paid for.
Now your trying to say that Americans helping Americans is a bad thing because?? What? And that the you like blacks because Rush and Imus make fun of them? Man, your really twister.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:38 amComment by Tau — May 8, 2007 @ 10:31 am
1) Rush does not sing the parody, someone else does
2) the LA Times coined the phrase
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center
just sayin’
May 8th, 2007 at 10:39 amich mommy and daddy not giving you enough money to buy your two Mercedez? is this why you believe in Marxism, but live like a capitalist?
Comment by valiantthehater
VTH loves humanity
/sarc
May 8th, 2007 at 10:40 amTau,
you are stupid, aren’t you…..
do you know where “The Magic Negro” song came from? why Rush created it?
Because way back in March of this year, the LA Times published an article calling Barack Obama, “The Magic Negro”. Yes, little one, it was the LA Times who first called Obama, “The Magic Negro”.
No one on the left seemed to mind the LA Times calling Obama, “The Magic Negro”. Now two months later, left wing morons, like yourself, read in left wnig blogs about Rush Limbaugh parody song and become outrage at Rush Limbauh.
idiot. mindless, brainwashed fool.
If you bothered to listen to the song, you would realize that the song makes fun of Liberals and their Great White Guilt, it doesn’t make fun of Obama.
get a clue, an education and don’t spew crap from left wing blogs without first educating yourself about the subject.
why are you adn your left wing friends outraged about Rush Limbaugh’s parody song, but back in March you could careless that the LA Times printed a piece calling Barack Obama, “The Magic Negro”?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:41 amA disagreement with a political philosophy is in no way hate speech, Vinnie.
And Evil Spaniard, get into the “here and now” and expend your energy dismantling the KKK of our modern times, La Raza.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:42 amThe “slaughter” of our US Forces by Bush and Co has SURGED into 11 soldiers in only ONE DAY!
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May 8th, 2007 at 10:43 amComment by Tau — May 8, 2007 @ 10:31 am
1) Rush does not sing the parody, someone else does
2) the LA Times coined the phrase
http://www.latimes.com/ news/ opinion/ la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center
just sayin’
Comment by hacker bob
Your telling me that Rush has never sang that song? BS.
As for the LaTimes they have turned into a mouthpiece for the cons. Remember who they hired?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:44 amHacker Bob,
you are expecting Tau, and most Liberals to be educated and well inform, instead of repeating like parrots what the left wing blogs say.
I had this conversation in my job with a Liberal who was completly outraged by Rush Limbaugh’s parody song.
1) As she admitted, she never listened to the song before formulating her opinion. She read the “facts” in crazy left wing sites like thinkprogress.org.
2) She had no clue that the liberal LA Times was hte one to first called Obama, “the Magic Negro”.
3)She also carries the Great White Guilt, which as a Latino I asked her to shove her guilt where the sun don’t shine. We Latinos in the USA don’t need Liberals to make it in life.
most liberals are clueless.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:45 amJoe,
La Raza, the Black Panther’s, the Brown Berets, all modern KKK and nazi like organizations, instead of wanting only whites, they want only dark Latinos and only blacks.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:47 amIf you bothered to listen to the song, you would realize that the song makes fun of Liberals and their Great White Guilt, it doesn’t make fun of Obama. get a clue, an education and don’t spew crap from left wing blogs without first educating yourself about the subject.
Get a clue? LMAO. Your parroting some stupid song that I would never sing nor agree with, yet you call it a liberal song? WAHAHAHAA. It’s your guilt song, not mine. Get a clue.
Rush the magic pill popper! HAHAHA.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:47 am#97…Valiant
You based your argument on where did the song “The Magic Negro” started,you said it was not with Rush, but with LA Times…
You seem to be comfortable with its content. You limited your argument to where the song came from…
while everybody here is interested in the content of the song….
Whether it statred with LA Times or Rush..makes no difference. Two wrongs don’t make right..
May 8th, 2007 at 10:49 amThe LATimes is not a liberal rag, they hired all those cons and thats where this idiotic CON great white stupid white guilt crap was borne.
It is a con song created by cons and played by cons.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:49 amI listened to “Barack the Magic Negro” and found it to be stupid. The LA Times should be ashamed of coining that phrase, and Limbaugh ought to be ashamed of running such a stupid song.
Just because the LA Time came up with the name, doesn’t absolve Limbaugh of his own responsibility for playing the song over and over, like some child listening to the Wiggles.
The song is stupid and offensive, and it’s all at Obama’s expense. Humans are supposed to be more evolved than this.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:51 amTau,
you have never listened to the song have you? hahaha!! stop making an idiot out of yourself.
Rush has never sang the song.
Most Liberlas didn’t know about the LA Times story written in March. They could careless about the story written in March, why? because the left wing blogs and the media didn’t make a bid deal about it. They gave a pass to the LA times. Now that Rush Limbaugh had a song making fun of the LA times and the Liberals Great White Guilt, Liberals go crazy.
it shows the level of brainwashing that goes on amongst liberals.
Not to mention that Limbaugh’s parody song has been around since March and it is now that they make a big deal about it. sad, truly, truly sad.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:51 amYour telling me that Rush has never sang that song? BS.
As for the LaTimes they have turned into a mouthpiece for the cons. Remember who they hired?
Comment by Tau — May 8, 2007 @ 10:44 am
The guy that does Rush’s parodies is named Paul Shanklin (sp?)
And the majority of the lyrical content is taken from quotes made by Dems and left leaning media sources.
Check the facts
May 8th, 2007 at 10:51 am“Leading governments of Europe, mounting a new campaign to push Paul D. Wolfowitz from his job as World Bank president, signaled Monday that they were willing to let the United States choose the bank’s next chief, but only if Mr. Wolfowitz stepped down soon.â€
Just one more way that neocon fanatacism is making a bonfire from America’s global political wealth.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:51 amWe Latinos in the USA don’t need Liberals to make it in life. -VTH
Bwaahahaha. A latino calling people liberal?
May 8th, 2007 at 10:52 amNow I know your nothing more than a bad joke.
Whether it statred with LA Times or Rush..makes no difference. Two wrongs don’t make right..
Comment by tarazan — May 8, 2007 @ 10:49 am
BUt three lefts do :-)
May 8th, 2007 at 10:54 amTarzan,
yes, I have listened to the song, unlike Tau and probably and most Liberals who seemed to now be outraged.
Yes, I agree with the song because it doesn’t make fun of Obama, it makes fun of the Liberals Great White Guilt.
listen to the words of the song before you start crying about nothing.
the song is NOT racist at all.
but once again, none of you Liberals knew about the song until two months later, after Liberals blogs decided to make a big deal about it.
The song and the LA Times article have been around since March and look at you now, two months later is when you find out. Why? because you only read and listen to left wing propaganda.
Tau, stop embarrasing yourself kid.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:54 ammost liberals are clueless.
Comment by valiantthehater — May 8, 2007 @ 10:45 am
A stereotypical generalization that is similar to many racist comments.
Come on Valiant tell us, you complain a lot, but what are you doing to make this world a better place besides starting arguments with liberals? And if we’re so clueless, why the hell do you hang out with us all day? I’m sorry. Someone who enjoys this as much as you do has problems. GET A LIFE!!
May 8th, 2007 at 10:54 amAnd the majority of the lyrical content is taken from quotes made by Dems and left leaning media sources.
Check the facts
Comment by hacker bob
No, your still stuck on left leaning when that’s just more media myth crap. The cons have been spewing that line of bunk for decades. The media is centrist. You think LATimes is liberal, when it isn’t.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:55 amLa Raza, the Black Panther’s, the Brown Berets, all modern KKK and nazi like organizations, instead of wanting only whites, they want only dark Latinos and only blacks.
Comment by valiantthehater
I think Valiant just broke his own record on the most stupid post ever.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:56 amComment by Tau — May 8, 2007 @ 10:55 am
the LA times is not the only source used. There are MANY quotes by Sharpton incorporated into the lyrics.
It is not about the LAT. listen to the ENTIRE thing.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:57 amTau,
stop parroting left wing points about Rush Limbaugh, it just makes you sound like the fool you are.
once again, the song is NOT racist, and even the LA Times article wasn’t racist. It was talking about the fact that Liberals had found an electible black american, their “Magic Negro” who would give Liberal white Democrats back the White House.
yes, the article talks about Liberal’s Great White Guilt and the song makes fun of Liberal attitudes towards Democrat minorities. It doesn’t make fun of Obama at all.
If anything, it makes fun of Al Sharpton and him always carrying a bull horn.
May 8th, 2007 at 10:58 amAnd the majority of the lyrical content is taken from quotes made by Dems and left leaning media sources.
SO lets make a Rush the great white honky song.
Oh Rush the magic honky
lived by the wheee
took some oxycontin
A liberal became he!!
Rush the magic liberal
guilty as can be
took some viagra
and headed to an ilsland
made by the commies (Cuba)
HAHHAHAA
May 8th, 2007 at 10:58 amI think Valiant just broke his own record on the most stupid post ever.
Comment by Juan C
Give him time…..
May 8th, 2007 at 11:00 amThe song and the LA Times article have been around since March and look at you now, two months later is when you find out. Why? because you only read and listen to left wing propaganda.
Comment by valiantthehater — May 8, 2007 @ 10:54 am
Pretty weak when your only argument is that we didn’t know about it. Maybe you should explain why the ‘liberal media’ such as CNN didn’t pick up on this back in March.
As usual, you drag this post way off topic to avoid dealing with the real news. Can you tell us how you feel about the suffering that the Iraqi children are going through? Can you imagine how an average Iraqi would feel about the U.S. after all we’ve done for their country?
May 8th, 2007 at 11:00 amthe LA times is not the only source used. There are MANY quotes by Sharpton incorporated into the lyrics.
It is not about the LAT. listen to the ENTIRE thing.
Comment by hacker bob
So because some politician said it, by your group think, you think I think like they think?
Why if that’s so all people like you take viagra and oxycontin and visist Cuba because your really commie leftists..right?
Put down your watercolor set Bob. You aint painting me with your brand of thought.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:01 amComment by Joe — May 8, 2007 @ 9:55 am
the few times i’ve read the comment by this one, have led me to believe that the intentions are not always the best…
is that what is known as a “mole”?
just wondering…
May 8th, 2007 at 11:01 amHacker Bob,
exactly!!! the song, for the most part, is made up of Democratic politicians quotes and Al Sharpton’s quotes.
so if the song is racist, guess what Liberals, your Demcratic politicians are racist.
Please Liberals, you have everything to lose every time you call anyone on the right a racist.
Don’t forget that your party fought for slavery, against the Civil Rights Acts, etc.
don’t forget that Martin Luther King’s father campaigned with and for Richard Nixon when Nixon was running against Kennedy.
Libeals have done NOTHING for minorities except create ridiculous government based social programs that make minorities depend on the government.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:01 amIt is not about the LAT. listen to the ENTIRE thing.
Comment by hacker bob
I listened to the entire thing. What’s your point?
May 8th, 2007 at 11:02 amIf anything, it makes fun of Al Sharpton and him always carrying a bull horn. Comment by valiantthehater
As if George never used one……how is that funny? Jeez you guys are stuck in media stupid land. I DONT WATCH THAT SH_T OR LISTEN TO IT.
Stop with that groupthink idiocy already. Dayum.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:03 amJuan C,
Reality hurts, I know. I’ll stand back so you can bask in denial for the next hour.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:03 amJuan C,
leave it to you to claim that La Raza, Brown Berets, and Black Panthers are not racists.
how sad for you, how truly sad for you.
how is it going preaching Marxism, but living like a capitalist. You know just like John Kerry, John Edwards, the Clintons, Michael Moore, etc, they all preach about the evils of capitalism, but they love living like capitalists, right?
May 8th, 2007 at 11:03 amCan you tell us how you feel about the suffering that the Iraqi children are going through? Can you imagine how an average Iraqi would feel about the U.S. after all we’ve done for their country?
Comment by Vinnie
He is a true Christian…you know, those that like watch people get bombed and cheer murderers.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:03 amkaty,
Make a better argument. Cite some sources. Mindless rambling and name-calling isn’t a rebuttal. My intentions are good and I stand by most of my posts. Cite the posts of dispute, etc., or exit the commentary section.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:06 amvaliant, I have asked you this question before without answer:
When you speak about the left, what do you mean?
May 8th, 2007 at 11:06 amAs usual, you drag this post way off topic to avoid dealing with the real news. Can you tell us how you feel about the suffering that the Iraqi children are going through? Can you imagine how an average Iraqi would feel about the U.S. after all we’ve done for their country?
Comment by Vinnie — May 8, 2007 @ 11:00 am
why don’t you tell us how you feel about the suffering that American children are going through that lost family members on 9/11?
why don’t you tell us how you feel about the suffering that Iraqi children were going through when they lost family members under the Hussein regime?
why don’t you tell us how you feel about the suffering of Iraqi children who died of starvation under the Hussein regime?
why don’t you tell us how you feel about the suffering of Israeli children who have lost parents do to Palestinian terrorist attacks?
stop focusing on one group of children, if you are going to speak about the suffering of children, don’t be a hypocrite and only focuse on a certain grou of children.
typical liberal…..
May 8th, 2007 at 11:07 amLibeals have done NOTHING for minorities except create ridiculous government based social programs that make minorities depend on the government. Comment by valiantthehater
Like the Cons have done for Iraqis thru government? What does outsourcing jobs do? Make foreigners dependent? How does that help Americans? Cons (VTH) are but neo-liberals making coporations depoendent on the government.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:07 amReality hurts, I know.
Comment by Joe
Get rid of mirrors, Joe. You will be happier.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:07 amI listened to the entire thing. What’s your point?
Comment by Zooey — May 8, 2007 @ 11:02 am
My point is that it is not about or a comdemnation of the LA times. MANY sources were used to make the lyrics for that song.
and yes, it is a stupid song.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:08 amStop with that groupthink idiocy already. Dayum.
Comment by Tau — May 8, 2007 @ 11:03 am
hahahahahahahahahaha!!! Tau crying about groupthink idiocy?! hahahaha!!!
that is why you fell into left wing groupthink idiocy this week after the left wing blogs started talking about the Rush Limbaugh song. Before then, along with the rest of the Liberal group, you had no idea about Limbaugh’s song.
hahahaha!!
you are funny little one. You are quite the amusing child.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:09 amHe is a true Christian…you know, those that like watch people get bombed and cheer murderers.
Comment by Juan C — May 8, 2007 @ 11:03 am
Quite ironic, the above, since this is coming from someonoe that praises and wants to sleep with Ernesto Guevarra (a muderer and a rapist), Castro, Hugo Chavez, all muderers and rapist.
stop projecting your feelings and who you are unto others Juanito.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:10 amValiant,
You are off the deep end. Just call everyone a communist and that settles all arguments. That’s the sign of a very simple mind.
You really are a disgusting hatemonger. I really think you would be best served by leaving this site and seeking psychotherapy. There’s some deep issues you obviously need to work on.
For my part, I will try and enjoy the intelligent remarks on these boards and ignore your tired, ignorant rants.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:10 amCite the posts of dispute, etc., or exit the commentary section.
Comment by Joe
There’s no need for that kind of shit, Joe. Katy’s as free to comment on the OPEN THREAD as you are.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:10 amI’m sure I’ll be called racist, but the infrastructure in MOST of Africa isn’t exactly condusive to quality, uninterrupted health care for AIDS patients.
Comment by monkeyboy — May 8, 2007 @ 9:55 am
my sister, an SSND nun, lived and taught in africa, SIERRA LEONE actually, for over 6 years… she loved her work and the people, but said many times that the culture was totally different… there is barely any semblence of timelines and deadlines and structure, other than their day to day living…
May 8th, 2007 at 11:11 amshe taught others how to teach english, btw… and was hussled out of there just as tensions were raising, but before the atrocities started…
she lost many friends to that ugliness… sad…
…
stop projecting your feelings and who you are unto others Juanito.
Comment by valianttheeggbeater — May 8, 2007 @ 11:10 am
Okay, please explain how this is NOT borderline racist?
May 8th, 2007 at 11:14 amJoe?
My point is that it is not about or a comdemnation of the LA times. MANY sources were used to make the lyrics for that song.
and yes, it is a stupid song.
Comment by hacker bob
So? That makes it ok? Who cares about the LA Times? I don’t. Are you saying Al Sharpton or any other source used was complicit in making this smear against Obama? This type of behavior should not be defended on any level.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:15 amQuite ironic, the above, since this is coming from someonoe that praises and wants to sleep with Ernesto Guevarra (a muderer and a rapist), Castro, Hugo Chavez, all muderers and rapist.
Comment by valiantthehater
Can you provide proof or you will be the same a-hole that spits a lot but cant back up anything? Do you wanna bet you will be an a-hole?
May 8th, 2007 at 11:15 amlhat is why you fell into left wing groupthink idiocy this week after the left wing blogs started talking about the Rush Limbaugh song. Before then, along with the rest of the Liberal group, you had no idea about Limbaugh’s song.
hahahaha!!
you are funny little one. You are quite the amusing child.
Comment by valiantthehater
Actually I heard about and read about it weeks ago. The song is not amusing. So your first guess is wrong. I did not read about it on some left wingblog but at a site where even conservatives thought it was just plain goofy. That’s two guesses you are wrong on. I did have an idea of it. That’s three of your guesses wrong. I am not a child and have worked on military aircraft a decade ago. That makes everything you OPINED about wrong VTH.
And your the only one here that believes what you THINK. Your spewing nothing but hot air….And yes I could write a much more amusing song than that childish crap Rush plays. He, Rush, for that very reason (man-child) is irrelevent.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:18 amIm sure when Michael Moores documentary comes out “SICKO” there will be new laws made to help America seek cheaper drugs.
and if you need some medical marijuana then apply to Canada via postage companies as a lot of my friends do , nice cheap Nepalie hash lovely Im sitting here right now with a lovely big joint of manali Cream .. mmmmm
May 8th, 2007 at 11:19 amComment by Zooey — May 8, 2007 @ 11:15 am
HEy, I am not the one questioning Obamas “blackness”. That would be Sharpton
May 8th, 2007 at 11:19 amI have to admit, Zooey, you’re right. I shouldn’t be asking anyone to leave an open commentary section, and I apologize.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:19 am#12 Valliant
You repeatdly,and constantly use the word ‘liberal’ to enforce and support your point of view.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:20 amYou are misleading yourself by thinking that this will give you an edge here.
Just because you learned this word..repeating it in every argument will not give you and edge.
It is unfortunate there is a good number of people like you who rely totally on this word to argue any subject of political,economical,sociological and othes.
Quite ironic, the above, since this is coming from someonoe that praises and wants to sleep with Ernesto Guevarra (a muderer and a rapist), Castro, Hugo Chavez, all muderers and rapist.
Comment by valiantthehater
Daydream really silly things much?
You know there are many parkbenches out there with people willing to listen to your crazy theories…
May 8th, 2007 at 11:21 amHEy, I am not the one questioning Obamas “blacknessâ€. That would be Sharpton
Comment by hacker bob
I didn’t say you were. I hope you’re not defending this stupid song.
Sharpton can be an ass, but he didn’t agree to have his words used that way.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:23 amDRxJ,
I’m sorry. I didn’t read that section of Valiant’s comments. Now, you have to explain to me how that’s borderline racist as I did your comments. I’m not claiming it’s not; you simply have to explain to me.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:24 amstop projecting your feelings and who you are unto others Juanito.
Comment by valianttheeggbeater — May 8, 2007 @ 11:10 am
Okay, please explain how this is NOT borderline racist?
Joe?
Comment by DRxJ
I have to disagree, DRxJ. That is not racist. That is a demeaning remark intended to make VTH feel superior, just like son, kid, etc. When you dont have arguments and cant back up anything, you resort to name calling and adding demeaning words to sound cool, as if this was a high school locker room.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:24 amI have to admit, Zooey, you’re right. I shouldn’t be asking anyone to leave an open commentary section, and I apologize.
Comment by Joe
Thank you.
I hate to quibble, but it’s katy you should apologize to, not me.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:24 amLemme see, wars, lies, corruption, prostitution, cronyism, deficits, backloaded taxes, home mortgage equity bubble (4 trillion) about to burst, Chinas holding a trillion of our dollars, and we borrow billions to support this war. Iraq has become a huge welfare state for terrorists.
Seems to me the Cons, VTH, are the new libs.
I cannot support your uber liberal idea of government. I am a moderate but not a republican nor democratic one. You on the other hand support this administration no matter how incompetent.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:29 amWhen Micheal Moores SICKO hits the screen expect a civil uprising
May 8th, 2007 at 11:31 amKaty,
I apologize for any overly-stern words I directed towards you. I acknowledge that my words probably get too heated sometimes, as indicated on some previous posts, but I was wrong to ask you to exit. Your criticism is likely with merit.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:36 amSorry Juan.
I never studied Spanish. I’m assuming “ito” added on to a proper name is indicative of a junior, or son, which is deragotory, but not racist.
Originally, I thought is was just a word play from one who speaks little Spanish.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:36 amnothing but the wind…
May 8th, 2007 at 11:37 amOriginally, I thought is was just a word play from one who speaks little Spanish.
Comment by DRxJ
It is a diminutive. But, you arent wrong. It can be used despectively.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:43 amThree of the six suspects picked up in the plot against Ft. Dix were illegal aliens.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:44 amThanks for the update Patrick O’Reilly. As if that makes a difference at all.
What’s the problem? You’re getting your butt kicked too badly on the Forrest thread that you decided to come over here.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:48 amThree of the six suspects picked up in the plot against Ft. Dix were illegal aliens.
Comment by Patrick1nut — May 8, 2007 @ 11:44 am
…and 4 out of 5 dentist prefer Dentyne sugarless gum!
What’s your point,exactly?
Oh, and Cho was a legal immigrant, in case you are keeping score
May 8th, 2007 at 11:52 amAmericans don’t consider indirect effects, delayed effects of anything.
May 8th, 2007 at 11:59 amThis could be fun, V V said:
many Liberals make themselves out to be the “Great White Hope†for the “poor†“little†minorities who live in the inner cities and you know, need help to make it in life. Because Liberals consider minorities too stupid and dumb to make it in the world without their help and the help of our government
Since we know republicans like to project V V probably meant:
many Republicans make themselves out to be the “Great WhiLiberator†for the “Iraqi†“Shiite & Kurd†minorities who live in the oppressive Iraq and you know, need our guns, money and democracy to make it in life. Because Republicans consider Iraqii’s too stupid and dumb to make it in the world without their help and the help of our government.
#92 V V By this point in time you should at least realize thhat Republicans runnign the country using their idea’s is a failure.
#101 perhaps now knowing the LA times and Rushh were using the term shhe will takke her ire our onn both and apparently both using the term and the song are OK in your book because I don’t see you complaining about either, though you do seem to like harping abour racist liberals. Very interesting.
Here are the lyrics, so deciide for yourself if V V is ccorrect
Rush, on oxycontin lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in the land for you and me,
Ditto Richard Cheney loved that rascal Rush,
and brought him strings and sealing wax and other fancy stuff. Oh
Rush, on oxycontin lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in the land for you and me,
Rush, on oxycontin lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in the land for you and me.
Together they would travel on a boat with billowed sail
Richard kept a lookout perched on Rush’s gigantic tail,
Noble kings and princes would bow whene’er they came,
Pirate ships would lower their flags when Rush roared out his name. Oh!
Rush, on oxycontin lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in the land for you and me,
Rush, on oxycontin lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in the land for you and me.
DJs live forever but not so little boys
Painted wings and giant’s rings make way for other toys.
One grey night it happened, Richard Cheney came no more
And Rush on oxycontin, he ceased his fearless roar.
His head was bent in sorrow, beer cans fell like rain,
Rush no longer went to play, along the cherry lane.
Without his life-long friend, Rush could not be brave,
So Rush on oxycontin sadly slipped into his cave. Oh!
Rush, on oxycontin lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in the land for you and me,
Rush, on oxycontin lived by the sea
And frolicked in the autumn mist in the land for you and me.
Opps, wrong Lyrics…
Barack the Magic Negro lives in D.C.
The L.A. Times, they called him that
‘Cause he’s not authentic like me.
Yeah, the guy from the L.A. paper
Said he makes guilty whites feel good
They’ll vote for him, and not for me
‘Cause he’s not from the hood.
See, real black men, like Snoop Dog,
Or me, or Farrakhan
Have talked the talk, and walked the walk.
Not come in late and won!
Refrain:
Oh, Barack the Magic Negro, lives in D.C.
The L.A. Times, they called him that
‘Cause he’s black, but not authentically.
(repeat Refrain)
Some say Barack’s “articulate”
And bright and new and “clean”
The media sure loves this guy,
A white interloper’s dream!
But, when you vote for president,
May 8th, 2007 at 12:00 pmWatch out, and don’t be fooled!
Don’t vote the Magic Negro in
‘Cause… (then sharpton goes on a ranting tangent as the chorus continues)
Katy + Joe • true dork love • lol
May 8th, 2007 at 12:09 pmstop projecting your feelings and who you are unto others Juanito.
Comment by valianttheeggbeater — May 8, 2007 @ 11:10 am
Okay, please explain how this is NOT borderline racist?
Joe?
Comment by DRxJ — May 8, 2007 @ 11:14 am
hahahaha!!! the level of stupidity and ignorance of DRxJ….
Juanito is not racist. the “ito” in Spanish is used as either endearment or to make someone look like a child.
but it was bothering you the fact that Joe caught you being a racist, eh? you had to point out to what you thought was racism from someone else.
hahaha!! poor Liberals full of the Great White Guilt.
Liberals, I as a minority give you permission to not feel guilty towards minorities. You have done no wrong. We Latinos are quite strong and we can make it in the USA without quotas and “party” favors from the Democratic Party. We are not dumb and stupid as you Liberals think.
May 8th, 2007 at 12:10 pmPlease keep your Great White Guilt to yourself. We Latinos don’t need your pity, sympathy or help.
Katy + Joe • true dork love • lol
Comment by eHarmony.com
There’s nothing wrong with an honest apology. This world could use more of that, not less.
May 8th, 2007 at 12:13 pmZooey the peacemaker. This world could use more people like that too.
May 8th, 2007 at 12:16 pmRULING VERSUS GOVERNING
Tuesday 8th of May 2007
by Jay Randal
The Puritans, later known as Pilgrims, emigrated to colony of Plymouth, Massachusetts, to escape from persecution by the Church of England allied with the monarchy and House of Lords/House of Commons.
They piously believed the Church should not be tied to the government, and they advocated separatism of the political dogma from religion, so freedom to practice their faith without hand of government interference.
They believed in being fairly governed, but not being ruled over by political/church tyrants, so they settled in America to start new beginning for themselves and to create new society based on morality and equality.
Their colony in Plymouth sowed the seeds for future United States of America, since many of their ideas ended up in our Constitution and Bill of Rights, so we owe them a debt of gratitude for their perseverance.
The Congress must never allow religion to be merged with government, nor allow tyranny to rule over US!
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
PS: My ancestors on my mother’s side came to Plymouth colony on the 3rd ship Anne in 1623. Mayflower was the first ship & Fortune the 2nd.
May 8th, 2007 at 12:17 pmyes, well, ‘joe’ had to throw the word “likely” in there… couldn’t quite capitulate completely……
May 8th, 2007 at 12:20 pmZooey the peacemaker. This world could use more people like that too.
Comment by margaret
Indeed. That sociology course is starting to shine thru. =)
Well said Jay Randal, I am christian but also see a need to keep religion and government seperate. Could you imagine the battles that would arise from the different sects over their interpretations of the Bible if government chose any one branch Christianity over the other?
May 8th, 2007 at 12:31 pmWe Latinos don’t need your pity, sympathy or help.
Comment by valiantthehater — May 8, 2007 @ 12:10 pm
And we don’t need you to interpret current events for us. Somehow, you think we do. Maybe that’s your arrogance talking.
May 8th, 2007 at 12:32 pmZooey the peacemaker. This world could use more people like that too.
Comment by margaret
Namaste.
May 8th, 2007 at 12:33 pmIn case ‘monkeyboy’ is still around:
“I’m always been troubled by the efforts to make AIDS medications cheaper and more readily available in Africa.”
Comment by monkeyboy — May 8, 2007 @ 9:55 am
I share your concern. There is much evidence that in Africa in particular AIDS is a direct result of starvation and lack of clean water. Do some Google research and you’ll see what I mean. When it comes right down to it, anything that suppresses the immune system will make one more susceptible to “opportunistic diseases” such as the AIDS virus.
This web site contains a lot of information about the causes of AIDS in case you’re interested.
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aids/cause/index.htm#Africa
May 8th, 2007 at 12:33 pmWow the whole “liberals are the true racists” thread cracked me the hell up! So let’s see… A few racist liberals means… all liberals are racists! Excellent powers of deduction, Mr. Sherlock Holmes.
Funny how that suspiciously smells like… prejudice. You know — the root of racism?
Should I even bother rambling off all the conservative racists I’ve met in my life? Racism knows no political persuation.
May 8th, 2007 at 12:39 pmTau > Pres. Bush is trying to merge the US government with evangelical Christian groups, so that could cause internal conflict in our America.
May 8th, 2007 at 12:41 pmWe are not dumb and stupid as you Liberals think.
Please keep your Great White Guilt to yourself. We Latinos don’t need your pity, sympathy or help.
Comment by valiantthehater
Your the one throwing that word, dumb, around here. I have called your opinions crazy cause your repeating that controversial shock jock pundit BS. I don’t watch/listen to the politicos for that very reason. Please don’t repeat their crap as some kind of wisdom. It isn’t.
If I want an opionion I will form it myself instead of reading some Coulter plagiarism or Rush regurgitation posted by some face painting party parrot. Thank you for not repeating pundit points. I don’t have any great white guilt. It’s the conservatives that want to deport the illegals. Perhaps you included.
May 8th, 2007 at 12:43 pmTau > Pres. Bush is trying to merge the US government with evangelical Christian groups, so that could cause internal conflict in our America.
Comment by Jay Randal
And foreign conflicts as well. The evangelicals see themselves as persecuted (for some reason) Perhaps that is why they are so argumentative and spiteful when they shouldn’t be.
May 8th, 2007 at 12:51 pmGreat White Guilt to yourself. We Latinos don’t need your pity, sympathy or help.
Comment by valiantthewomanhater
Umm, do you know for sure that I’m caucasian?
Isn’t that borderline racist?
give it up, you’ve got nothing, except to change your post name once you’ve been debunked.
Oh, and nice response after I already did the research regarding “ito”, and clarified by thoughts
May 8th, 2007 at 1:07 pmTook you that long to google, eh?
…Cite the posts of dispute, etc., or exit the commentary section.
Comment by Joe — May 8, 2007 @ 11:06 am
whoa… guess i hit a nerve… doth protest too much, maybe?
May 8th, 2007 at 1:10 pmjust wondering…
…
Katy, I apologize for any overly-stern words I directed towards you….
but I was wrong to ask you to exit. Your criticism is likely with merit.
Comment by Joe — May 8, 2007 @ 11:36 am
apology accepted… thanks…
May 8th, 2007 at 1:16 pmbut it wasn’t really criticism – just an observation… a “wondering”…
sometimes it seems you are playing both sides, trying to incite trouble…
at least i didn’t call you “trooll” (my combo for troll + tool)…
’cause i don’t think you are…
…
“What did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.”
Well, you “missed” this:
The Newark Star-Ledger reports that the government has arrested “six Islamic radicals who were planning a heavily armed attack against soldiers at Fort Dix as part of a jihad against America, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office.”
The account continues:
In a statement released this morning that confirmed an earlier report on The Star-Ledger’s Web site, the U.S. Attorney’s Office said the men planned to “kill as many soldiers as possible.”
The alleged plot included conducting surveillance of the Army base and purchasing multiple firearms, including hand guns, shotguns and semi-automatic weapons, according to federal complaint released this morning.
The bust came after several of them were lured to a meeting with an arms-seller who turned out to be a secret FBI informant, according to the complaint.
Some of the would-be attackers have been living illegally in the United States, while others are illegal immigrants, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office. Four are ethnic Albanians, one was born in Turkey, and a sixth was born in Jordan, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office.
Officials identified the men as Dritan Duka, Eljvir Duka, Shain Duka, Serdar Tatar and Mohamad Shnewer and Agron Abdullahu.
The six had been under FBI surveillance for 16 months and prepared for their alleged plot by shooting paintball guns and real weapons in Gouldsboro, Pa., 30 miles southeast of Scranton, officials said. They also allegedly watched jihadist videos in which Osama bin Laden urged them toward martyrdom.
“They were prepared to die,” said the law enforcement source. “We became increasingly convinced this was for real and these guys were ready to roll.”
According to the FBI affidavit, the case began to take shape in January 2006, when an employee of a store told the FBI someone had brought a “disturbing” video to be duplicated.
The video “depicted 10 young men who appeared to be in their early twenties shooting assault weapons at a firing range in a militia-like style while calling for jihad and shouting in Arabic ‘Allah Akbar,’” Arabic for ‘God is Great,’ the affidavit said.
May 8th, 2007 at 1:55 pmTom Vanden Brook is good at quoting out of context.
May 8th, 2007 at 1:57 pm“Aren’t the Republicans the party of the “Free Market?†This seems like market manipulation to me. So much for ‘free trade’ eh?”
If we are not supposed to buy cheap goods from China, since they don’t follow US labor standards, why should we buy drugs from Canada, when they strongarm Pharmaceutical nations with price caps, ignore TRIPS, and neglect to compensate US companies for their intellectual property?
Want cheap pills? Buy generics. The US has some of the cheapest generics in the world.
May 8th, 2007 at 2:20 pm#41
“While pharmacetical companies can outsource jobs, civilians cannot outsource their medical supply? How is this free market economics? How is this fair? I can buy Japanese cars and all kinds of products not made in the USA…but not a pill? I can buy oil from the middle east and around the globe…but not a simple medication?”
When Brazil decides to steal Aids drugs through a compulsory license, how is that fair to Merck, and the $800 million they poured into drug development?
May 8th, 2007 at 2:26 pmWhen Brazil decides to steal Aids drugs through a compulsory license, how is that fair to Merck, and the $800 million they poured into drug development?
Comment by m12 — May 8, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
I think you mean this new:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070504/bs_nm/merck_brazil_dc_4
But Brazil isn’t stealing the drug. It’s using the benefits of free market:
It was the first time Brazil bypassed a patent to acquire cheaper drugs for its AIDS prevention program, a step recently taken by Thailand. Other countries, including Canada and Italy, have also used a clause in World Trade Organization rules to flout drug patents in the name of public health.
FYI: Brazil has used a legal move in the rulings done by the WTO, you know, the organization created by the USA to watch for free trade fairness. So no ’stealing’ here.
Talks over the price of Merck’s drug, Efavirenz, broke off on Thursday when the health ministry rejected the New Jersey-based company’s offer to cut its $1.59 per pill price by 30 percent. Brazil wanted to pay what Merck charges Thailand, or $0.65 per pill.
Free market again. Brazil says: if you want our market, lower the price or you’re out.
“The compulsory licensing of Efavirenz is a legitimate and necessary measure to guarantee that all patients have access to the drug,” Lula’s office said in a statement.
And, it’s not simply a market question. Clearly, it’s a matter of fairness and public health. And, think of the MANY USA people who travel to Brazil to have sex and return to home infected. It’s WORLD PUBLIC HEALTH, selfish brat.
Representatives of some 200,000 AIDS patients who receive state-sponsored antiretroviral drugs applauded at a ceremony in Brazil’s presidential palace, but drugmakers reacted angrily.
Let’s do some math here: 200,000 AIDS patients only in Brazil, taking a .65$ pill every day = 130,000 $ per day; 130,000 $ per day * 30 days per month = 3,900,000 $ per month; 3,900,000 $ per month * 12 months per year = 46,300,000 $ = 5,78% of the invested 800,000,000 $ invested by Merck (your own number). Doesn’t look as a great ROI.
BUT, Brazil is only a country and the population of Brazil is ‘only’ of 186,112,794 persons. That means that is around a 3% of the population of the world, or that the population of the world is almost 33 times greater than the one of Brazil.
Let’s do some math then: assuming that the percentage of AIDS infected people in the world is the same than in Brazil (it’s not, there are places where is lower, the western countries more or less, and places where is high also, Africa, China or India, but also, Merck sells pills at a higher price in other countries), so Merck is earning around:
46,300,000 $ * 32 times the population of Brazil = 1,527,900,000 $ PER YEAR.
That is a 190.99% of ROI. Dang poor Merck executives.
And, remember, with the pill, the patients are supposed to live more than a year. Or, if not, really, what is selling Merck? Sugar cubes, seems, if people can have a life expectancy of more than a year.
May 8th, 2007 at 3:47 pm“The Air Force’s fleet of warplanes is older than ever and wearing out faster because of heavy use in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to the service’s top combat commander.â€
QUICK! Send $100 billion emergency funds to Lockheed, McDonald Douglas, and Raytheon!! Wait! Don’t forget Boeing!
May 8th, 2007 at 4:46 pm#183
Exactly! We need to send it to those companies except McDonald Douglas which no longer exists (bought by Boeing) so our soldiers don’t have to keep refurbishing aircraft and avionics systems that are older than they are.
May 8th, 2007 at 5:48 pm#183
Exactly! We need to send it to those companies except McDonald Douglas which no longer exists (bought by Boeing) so our soldiers don’t have to keep refurbishing aircraft and avionics systems that are older than they are.
Comment by Tracy — May 8, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
Sarcasm isn’t your forte, we know.
May 9th, 2007 at 6:31 am#185
It’s pretty pathtic that Alejandro was trying to be sarcastic in the first place when it comes to providing new equipment for our soldiers.
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