Congress not told of major covert action.
Congress not told of major covert action.
“U.S. intelligence recently undertook a ’significant’ covert action without notifying Congress, as required by law, the House Intelligence Committee disclosed in a new report on the 2008 intelligence authorization bill,” Steve Aftergood reports.
“The Committee was dismayed at a recent incident wherein the Intelligence Community failed to inform the Congress of a significant covert action activity. This failure to notify Congress constitutes a violation of the National Security Act of 1947.”
“Despite agency explanations that the failure was inadvertent, the Committee is deeply troubled over the fact that such an oversight could occur, whether intentionally or inadvertently.” [...]
In response to this lapse, the Committee adopted a provision in its authorization bill that would require the CIA Inspector General to audit each covert action program at least once every three years.
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Hmmmmmm... any hint as to where the covert operation took place??IRAN IRAN IRAN IRAN IRAN IRAN IRAN IRAN IRAN
May 9th, 2007 at 10:21 pmMy first thought -- What else has Congress not been told?
May 9th, 2007 at 10:22 pmHow could it possibly be "inadvertent"? Everyone in American intelligence would know this 60-year-old Act. The lack of disclosure was deliberate and most likely approved by Rove or Cheney or both. Once again, can you imagine the howls of protest from Republicans if this had happened under Clinton?
May 9th, 2007 at 10:23 pmWho would have even imagined that something like this would be going on?
May 9th, 2007 at 10:24 pmThis is priceless:
"Before the Committee will support any change to existing law, it is essential that the President provide some measure of assurance that were he to sign a bill modifying FISA into law, he would agree to be bound by it," the report stated.
But it is really a sad state of affairs.
The President's Constitutional duty is to see to it that the laws are faithfully enforced.
The President issues signing statements indicating that he will not live up to his Constitutional duty.
Congress's sole remedy is impeachment.
Impeachment is "off the table" reducing Congress to pleading with the President to please live up to his Constitutional duty.
The President's reply:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushvideos/youtube/bushfingerflip.htm
May 9th, 2007 at 10:31 pmall this sounds ominously familiar. why the hell do these people think it's ok to run covert operations in the first place? What has that gotten us? Ok, so they've overthrown governments, assassinated leaders, and have shown us they can invade nations and kill millions.
but what has that gotten us? Peace? Friendship? nah. it creates hatred and violence.
I think we all assume they're going after Iran - i wouldn't doubt it. More fraud. Some good reading on the Iran issue:
"Speaking of Iran"
May 9th, 2007 at 10:33 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/speaking_of_iran
Is Impeachment back on the table yet?
Lets see, they violate the National Security Act and the actions of the Democratic Congress are to make them have more audits?
OMFG!
Break a law, and they get audited more......
UnF*ckingBelievable!!!
May 9th, 2007 at 10:36 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire
With the dropping of habeus corpus today, I am starting to feel the democrats are giving us the finger,just like the republicans and Bush.
May 9th, 2007 at 10:41 pmNo problem with me.
May 9th, 2007 at 10:43 pmHave a read.......
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070509/ap_on_re_eu/germany_raids_3
Anything sort of WW 2ish about that news?
May 9th, 2007 at 10:47 pmDoes everyone think he's Rambo?
May 9th, 2007 at 10:56 pmThe monkey in the White house sets a fine example of lawlessness.
When will the Republicans realize that impeachment is the only way to bring Bush to heel? Their failure to realize this will be the death of their own party.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:07 pmDid we bomb Cambodia again?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:08 pmhttp://WWW.ITMFA.COM
what else is there to say?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:15 pmOhTheBill:
Hopefully, you don't say anything else. Impeachment is off the table, in case you hadn't heard. The Dems can't even get habeas corpus back, let alone impeachment!!!
May 9th, 2007 at 11:18 pmWell, sh!t, it just happened. Nobody actually planned it (thus being subject to Congressional oversight). It just happened.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:18 pm"The Dems can’t even get habeas corpus back" - Jake
And who took it away?
Chimpy and the Repukes.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:26 pm"And who took it away?
Chimpy and the Repukes.
Comment by Tom3 — May 9, 2007"
Did you lose a right that I didn't?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:32 pm"The Dems can’t even get habeas corpus back, let alone impeachment!!!
Comment by Jake — May 9, 2007"
Did you lose it? Explain to us how?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:33 pmFor the record, the right to habeas corpus was restored after the Civil War too.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:33 pm"The monkey in the White house sets a fine example of lawlessness.
Comment by Marie — May 9, 2007"
Really? How?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:34 pmmichael:
I would not put it past several people here to be planning actual terrorist plots.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:34 pmOnly one nation of two...Iran or North Korea. It's time for answers.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:34 pm"Chimpy and the Repukes.
Comment by Tom3 — May 9, 2007"
Give us an example?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:34 pm6 ragheads, Mikey? You are kind of a bigot. You just wait...they will not be convicted, just like the Miami guys, because they were nothing but idiots that were egged on by the FBI. They got free boots!!!!
May 9th, 2007 at 11:34 pm#19 Are you stupid, Mikey?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:35 pm"they will not be convicted
Comment by JPark — May 9, 2007"
I know that is what you traitors are hoping for!
May 9th, 2007 at 11:37 pm"#
#19 Are you stupid, Mikey?
Comment by JPark — May 9, 2007"
No! What right did you lose, because I haven't lost any! Are you really that stupid?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:38 pm#18 -- michael
"raghards"
You are a racist.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:38 pm"You are a racist.
Comment by Zooey — May 9, 2007"
So! Sue me?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:39 pmDid someone say "racist"? In January 2007, it was reported that white members of Congress were not welcome to join the Congressional Black Caucus. Freshman Rep. Stephen I. Cohen, D-Tenn, who is white, pledged to apply for membership during his election campaign to represent his constituents, who were 60% black. It was reported that although the bylaws of the caucus do not make race a prerequisite for membership, former and current members of the Caucus agreed that the group should remain "exclusively black."
Rep. William Lacy Clay, D-Mo., the son of Rep. William Lacy Clay Sr., D-Mo., a co-founder of the caucus, is quoted as saying, "Mr. Cohen asked for admission, and he got his answer. He's white and the Caucus is black. It's time to move on. We have racial policies to pursue and we are pursuing them, as Mr. Cohen has learned. It's an unwritten rule. It's understood." In response to the decision, Rep. Cohen stated, "It's their caucus and they do things their way. You don't force your way in."
Rep. Clay issued an official statement from his office in reply to Rep. Cohen's complaint: "Quite simply, Rep. Cohen will have to accept what the rest of the country will have to accept - there has been an unofficial Congressional White Caucus for over 200 years, and now it's our turn to say who can join 'the club.' He does not, and cannot, meet the membership criteria, unless he can change his skin color. Primarily, we are concerned with the needs and concerns of the black population, and we will not allow white America to infringe on those objectives."
May 9th, 2007 at 11:40 pmI would not put it past several people here to be planning actual terrorist plots.
Comment by Jake
With what peace signs and books? What was Mcveigh, Jake?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:41 pmMikey, you really are stupid. If the government says you are a terrorist (whether it is true or not) you lose your 4th amendment rights. Is that clear enough?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:43 pmSo! Sue me?
Comment by michael
You are an admitted racist. I'm sure your family is so proud -- unless they're racists as well, of course.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:44 pmI would not put it past several people here to be planning actual terrorist plots.
Comment by Jake
Yeah, Jake...like you. Want to try another OK City Federal Building bombing? We know that is exactly your style.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:44 pmI know that is what you traitors are hoping for!
Comment by michael
Got any proof? Hoping?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:45 pmNo, that is what traitors like you are hoping, that people are hoping like you. It's called wishful thinking. Nice try terror appeaser.
Trolls scraping bottom again, I see.
Michael, thanks for letting us know that you are a racist who advocates torture of other human beings.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:46 pmJake, accusing anyone here of plotting terrorist attacks is low even by your dismal standards.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:47 pmI'm with Jake. The "rule of law" might have applied 200 some-odd years ago, but it's quaint anymore--strictly for losers. Let Bushie do whatever he wants. As long as Hannity and Rush tell me it's okay, I'll believe.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:47 pmNot with peace signs and books, Dr. Evil? You just may not have read some of the more disturbing posts I've seen here at ThinkProgress lately. I don't think McVeigh considered himself a terrorist though.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:48 pm"Mikey, you really are stupid. If the government says you are a terrorist (whether it is true or not) you lose your 4th amendment rights. Is that clear enough?
Comment by JPark — May 9, 2007"
Ok with me as long as they are muslims or democrats!
May 9th, 2007 at 11:49 pmmichael:
I would not put it past several people here to be planning actual terrorist plots.
Comment by Jake — May 9, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
Wow Jake, if you believed that then you'd think you would remove yourself from dangerous affiliations. So I guess your just blowing more of your crap, right?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:50 pmJakey, you wouldn't consider McVeigh a terrorist either. You would consider him a hero, you traitor.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:51 pmSo! Sue me?
Comment by michael — May 9, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
Do you have any money?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:52 pmOk, that last one by Mikey was a namejack. It had to have been.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:53 pmNot with peace signs and books, Dr. Evil? You just may not have read some of the more disturbing posts I’ve seen here at ThinkProgress lately. I don’t think McVeigh considered himself a terrorist though.
Comment by Jake
Ok Jake, I told you how to link to comments, let's see some examples of those "disturbing posts."
May 9th, 2007 at 11:53 pm"You are an admitted racist. I’m sure your family is so proud — unless they’re racists as well, of course.
Comment by Zooey — May 9, 2007"
Well zooey, we are all something. If you consider me a racist because I want to identify dark skin Arab males as potential terrorists it's not much different in my identifying grade school students like you as idiots! I'm ok with this.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:54 pmI don’t think McVeigh considered himself a terrorist though.
Comment by Jake
Doesn't really matter what HE believed. The fact is he was a terrorist. And not a Godless lefty.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:54 pmShane, he lives in a trailor and lives on Ramen Noodles. But you know what? There are no extenuating circumstances. He is just too stupid to make a living.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:54 pmMcVeigh was not a hero. He was an example of Clinton's miserable failure to defend our homeland, and he was finally brought to justice in 2001 by the Bush Administration.
Yet another of Willy's messes to clean up.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:54 pm"No, that is what traitors like you are hoping, that people are hoping like you. It’s called wishful thinking. Nice try terror appeaser.
Comment by Dr. Evil — May 9, 2007"
You really need to reread what you just posted?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:56 pmHehe, McVeigh was Clinton's fault!!! Wow, m12, you are predictable.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:56 pm...and stupid.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:56 pm"Michael, thanks for letting us know that you are a racist who advocates torture of other human beings.
Comment by VerbalKint — May 9, 2007"
And your problem with my honesty is?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:56 pmOk with me as long as they are muslims or democrats!
Comment by michael — May 9, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
What if they think you're a Muslim or a democrat or a McVeigh style terrorist?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:57 pmWell zooey, we are all something. If you consider me a racist because I want to identify dark skin Arab males as potential terrorists it’s not much different in my identifying grade school students like you as idiots! I’m ok with this.
Comment by michael
Whatever makes you proud of yourself, loser.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:57 pmGo burn a cross, Mikey. You are not good at anything else, especially debating. Slow Mikey.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:58 pmYou just may not have read some of the more disturbing posts I’ve seen here at ThinkProgress lately. -Jake
I see them all over the internet.
All I know is they weren't made by me. I recall a post of yours that could be described as such.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:59 pm"Do you have any money?
Comment by Shane — May 9, 2007"
I have plenty of money and you and all your lawyers will never get your hands on it because it is spread all over the place!
May 9th, 2007 at 11:59 pmHeh, I guess the Muslim and Democrat comment really was you Mikey. I pray that you all of a sudden become part of a diversified neighborhood soon.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:00 amYou don't have any money, Mikey. Don't BS us. You make NOTHING.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:01 amComment by m12
McVeigh was a right-wing nutbag like yourself, he murdered men women and children. His actions had nothing to do with Bill Clinton, moron.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:01 amHe was a murdering terrorist, plain and simple. Like Rudolph.
Mikey, I am so glad it wasn't your trailer park that tornado hit. What would we do without you?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:02 amAnd your problem with my honesty is?
Comment by michael
In michael's world racism is a virtue because he's being "honest."
May 10th, 2007 at 12:02 amoops
May 10th, 2007 at 12:02 amhe lives in a trailor and lives on Ramen Noodles. But you know what? There are no extenuating circumstances. He is just too stupid to make a living.
Comment by JPark — May 9, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
Yeah, that's why we get the cavalier sue me. If you want to see what michael looks like, look up LOSER in the dictionary un and you'll see his picture. Just do it on an empty stomach, ich.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:03 amMichael, Jake, M12 and other assorted Trolls and Dirt Bags. You boys and girls have had a busy day spewing all kinds of lies, mis-information and other stupid s**t. Time to go to bed and let the adults have a chat. Nighty night kiddies!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:03 amAnd your problem with my honesty is?
Comment by michael — May 9, 2007 @ 11:56 pm
To begin with, you aren't an honest person. But I have much, much bigger problems with you, like your fascist values and racism. You sound like a Nazi to me.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:03 am"What if they think you’re a Muslim or a democrat or a McVeigh style terrorist?
Comment by Shane — May 9, 2007"
One look at me and you can immediately tell I'm a Conservative Republican. I dress well, have a wine cellar worth thousands, drive an Aston Martin, shower every day, No, there's no mistaking me for a raghead!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:04 amoff topic, but I just saw the Colbert Report and...I haven't laughed that much in a long time. If you get the chance, see his interview with Jane Fonda.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:05 amWhy are people on Bill Clinton's nutz?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:06 am#70 uh huh. right.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:06 amAnd your problem with my honesty is?
Comment by michael
What honesty?
You have no honor at all Troll.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:06 amYou have already proven that.
Hehe, McVeigh was Clinton’s fault!!! Wow, m12, you are predictable.
Oh, right. I suppose it was George W. Bush's fault, he being the governor of Texas and all.....
May 10th, 2007 at 12:06 am"Whatever makes you proud of yourself, loser.
Comment by Zooey — May 9, 2007"
Loser? I never ran away from you like you did from me! Do I need to remind everyone of your trying to ban me from this blog?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:06 amAnd your problem with my honesty is?
Comment by michael
Honesty, where? I only see a blind man named michael.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:07 amI have plenty of money and you and all your lawyers will never get your hands on it because it is spread all over the place!
Comment by michael — May 9, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
I'm sure, like under you're mattress, in the freezer, behind the toilet and in the mouse hole in the wall. No numb nuts, I was talking about real money but you wouldn't understand.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:07 am"You have no honor at all Troll.
You have already proven that.
Comment by Wayne — May 10, 2007"
Really? Explain that to us?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:07 am"If you get the chance, see his interview with Jane Fonda.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — May 10, 2007"
The commie?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:08 amMcVeigh was a right-wing nutbag like yourself, he murdered men women and children. His actions had nothing to do with Bill Clinton, moron.
How true. Unfortunately for the people in Oklahoma City, Slick Clinton wanted more to do with Lewinski, Flowers, and company rather than stopping terrorists like McVeigh.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:08 amDo I need to remind everyone of your trying to ban me from this blog?
Comment by michael
We all know about your stalking women too, moron.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:09 amWhy should you NEED to remind us.
Scumbag.
Loser? I never ran away from you like you did from me! Do I need to remind everyone of your trying to ban me from this blog?
Comment by michael
When you stalk & threaten people you need banning, loser.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:09 amI guess it had an effect on you, huh? Oops! None of michael's crap shows up! Heh.
Why are people on Bill Clinton’s nutz?
Comment by Mr. President
Why are nuts in Gorge Bushs people?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:09 am(/em)One look at me and you can immediately tell I’m a Conservative Republican. I dress well, have a wine cellar worth thousands, drive an Aston Martin, shower every day, No, there’s no mistaking me for a raghead!(/em)
There are two different kinds of Republicans. There is the amoral narcissistic rich guy that doesn't care for anybody else and there is the fat-a$$ trailor-park loser that is drawn to the party because of its overt hatred of foreigners. I haven't seen anything to suggest you are even educated so I am guessing the latter.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:11 amOne look at me and you can immediately tell I’m a Conservative Republican. I dress well, have a wine cellar worth thousands, drive an Aston Martin, shower every day, No, there’s no mistaking me for a raghead!
Comment by michael — May 10, 2007 @ 12:04 am
michael, you need to get out of your basement more often and meet some real people. Gee some people have one bottle of wine worth thousands and you have a whole cellar worth thousands, are you sure it's not a root cellar?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:12 am"When you stalk & threaten people you need banning, loser.
I guess it had an effect on you, huh? Oops! None of michael’s crap shows up! Heh.
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007"
I can understand a child thinking that a grownup questioning someones comments as a threat! Only when you can step up to the plate and provide a semi intelligent response will you be taken seriously!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:12 amMikey, why do you say "Explain it to us"? You and M12? You don't have many allies here, Bush-boy.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:13 amm12, you are the same type of loser that demonizes Clinton for Ruby Ridge and Waco but now you blame him for McVeigh? Why? Are you just a lock-step dittohead?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:15 amMikey, you ARE a child. Not sure what the rest of your post was about. It was really kind of stupid.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:16 amLoser? I never ran away from you like you did from me! Do I need to remind everyone of your trying to ban me from this blog?
Comment by michael — May 10, 2007 @ 12:06 am
Come on michael, I'm sure you're used to women running away from you. Oh that's right, you'd have to leave your basement to find out how unattractive you are to women.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:16 am"We all know about your stalking women too, moron.
Why should you NEED to remind us.
Scumbag.
Comment by Wayne — May 10, 2007"
Oh wayne, do you really have to resort to liberal name calling? I was challenging zooey. I know that a challenge to a liberal is considered a stalk because you are, quite frankly, unable to muster up the intelligence to understand that I am simply challenging you. IDIOT!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:16 am"#
Mikey, why do you say “Explain it to us� You and M12? You don’t have many allies here, Bush-boy.
Comment by JPark — May 10, 2007"
I don't want any allies here! What fun would that be?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:18 am"It was really kind of stupid.
Comment by JPark — May 10, 2007"
I'd be interested to see what you thought was stupid?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:19 amHow true. Unfortunately for the people in Oklahoma City, Slick Clinton wanted more to do with Lewinski, Flowers, and company rather than stopping terrorists like McVeigh.
Comment by m12 — May 10, 2007 @ 12:08 am
And Bush was too busy porking Jeff Gannon to stop planes from flying into the World Trade Center. He couldn't bother reading warnings that an attack was imminent, oh and then he had to run through My Pet Goat a few times so he wouldn't mess up when he got to the classroom.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:19 amHow true. Unfortunately for the people in Oklahoma City, Slick Clinton wanted more to do with Lewinski, Flowers, and company rather than stopping terrorists like McVeigh.
Comment by m12
Naw that was during the time the republicans were calling all of Clintons terror measures 'wag the dog' and blocked terror legislation. The GOP was more worried about a blue sweater [to help hide Newts affair while his poor sick wife was very ill with cancer]
Only when you can step up to the plate and provide a semi intelligent response will you be taken seriously!
Comment by michael
Still losing arguments with the 15 year old girl that doesn't respect you?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:20 amDon't say we then, dumba$$. You are a vast minority. Just like real life, eh, 28 percenter?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:20 am#94 Everything you say is stupid, Mikey.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:21 am"Come on michael, I’m sure you’re used to women running away from you. Oh that’s right, you’d have to leave your basement to find out how unattractive you are to women.
Comment by Shane — May 10, 2007"
WOW! shane, who taught you how to debate? You MUST have gone to public schools!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:21 amm12, you are the same type of loser that demonizes Clinton for Ruby Ridge and Waco but now you blame him for McVeigh? Why? Are you just a lock-step dittohead?
Says the guy who blames everything from gas prices to the Paris Hilton media obsession on President George W. Bush?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:21 amShane, trailers don't HAVE basements!!!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:21 amOnly when you can step up to the plate and provide a semi intelligent response will you be taken seriously!
Comment by michael
Spoken by someone with a reading comprehension disorder, with no credibility.
It would have to be less than semi-intellegent for you to comprehend it.
How about that MOS/NES for your military service claim?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:22 amLook on your DD Form 214, Discharge Papers since you can't remember.
mikey's jerking off to all this attention.... leave him alone...
May 10th, 2007 at 12:22 amI don’t want any allies here! What fun would that be?
Comment by michael
Or at home either apparently.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:22 amAnd Bush was too busy porking Jeff Gannon to stop planes from flying into the World Trade Center. He couldn’t bother reading warnings that an attack was imminent, oh and then he had to run through My Pet Goat a few times so he wouldn’t mess up when he got to the classroom.
Which is why he changed policies to go on the offense to hunt down and destroy the terrorist Islamic regimes.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:23 amI can understand a child thinking that a grownup questioning someones comments as a threat! Only when you can step up to the plate and provide a semi intelligent response will you be taken seriously!
Comment by michael
It's my greatest goal in life to be taken seriously by a racist loser like you, michael.
Do you mean intelligent responses like these?:
So! Sue me?
Comment by michael — May 9, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
Ok with me as long as they are muslims or democrats!
Comment by michael — May 9, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
And your problem with my honesty is?
Comment by michael — May 9, 2007 @ 11:56 pm
I have plenty of money and you and all your lawyers will never get your hands on it because it is spread all over the place!
Comment by michael — May 9, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
Really? Explain that to us?
Comment by michael
Please? Teach me?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:23 am"Mikey, you ARE a child. Not sure what the rest of your post was about. It was really kind of stupid.
Comment by JPark — May 10, 2007"
Ok, I'm willing to listen to your examination of my post, go ahead?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:23 amI don’t want any allies here! What fun would that be?
Comment by michael — May 10, 2007 @ 12:18 am
Wow, your first and only mission accomplished. Another ten years and maybe you'll get laid. As soon as you find some sheep.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:23 am"Or at home either apparently.
Comment by Dr. Evil — May 10, 2007"
How on earth would you know?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:24 amI’d be interested to see what you thought was stupid?
Comment by michael — May 10, 2007 @ 12:19 am
Do you own a mirror?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:24 amNaw that was during the time the republicans were calling all of Clintons terror measures ‘wag the dog’ and blocked terror legislation. The GOP was more worried about a blue sweater [to help hide Newts affair while his poor sick wife was very ill with cancer]
And what the hell are the Democrats doing now? Passing legislation to cut and run from Iraq, dismantle Gitmo, and otherwise aid those very terrorists!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:24 amWOW! shane, who taught you how to debate? You MUST have gone to public schools!
Comment by michael — May 10, 2007 @ 12:21 am
I went to Pepperdine, oh you mean high school?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:25 am"#
mikey’s jerking off to all this attention…. leave him alone…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — May 10, 2007"
A better way to put it is "Mikey's jerking off to all this liberal rhetoric"!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:25 amI’d be interested to see what you thought was stupid?
Comment by michael
I define stupid someone who has lost control of his household and spends all day trolling websites looking to create opposition to his warped political ideology
May 10th, 2007 at 12:26 amShane, trailers don’t HAVE basements!!!
Comment by JPark — May 10, 2007 @ 12:21 am
I think he lives in a root cellar.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:27 am"Do you own a mirror?
Comment by Shane — May 10, 2007"
shane, do you really think that you are scoring points with an INTELLIGENT person? There are people here like zooey and venius who will laugh at your childish comments, but they're in the 6th grade.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:28 amMikey, if you are looking for an in depth critique of any post you have ever graced us with, you are dreaming. You aren't worth it.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:28 am"I define stupid someone who has lost control of his household and spends all day trolling websites looking to create opposition to his warped political ideology
Comment by Dr. Evil — May 10, 2007"
Is there someone like that here?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:29 amWhich is why he changed policies to go on the offense to hunt down and destroy the terrorist Islamic regimes.
Comment by m12 — May 10, 2007 @ 12:23 am
So how's that working for him?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:29 amm12, are you really that chickensh!t? Oooo, big, bad, terrorists!!! Please take my rights because I am a big freaking wimp!!!!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:30 amAnd what the hell are the Democrats doing now? Passing legislation to cut and run from Iraq, dismantle Gitmo, and otherwise aid those very terrorists! Comment by m12
Bush Vetoed the money, that legislation has not been passed. Its May op and there is money to june 30.
The benchmarks were on the Iraqi government, not Bush. The FY 2008 budget is some 520 billion.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:30 amMikey, you are not intelligent. Therefore, no intelligent person is going to engage you in anything but sarcasm and contempt.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:31 amA better way to put it is “Mikey’s jerking off to all this liberal rhetoricâ€!
Comment by michael
Sick f*ck! We already knew you were an idiotic racist bedwetter living in your mama's rootcellar under her trailer, and we don't need to know your masterbation practices!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:31 amMaybe a bomb shelter, Shane. He is kinda skerred.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:31 amIs there someone like that here?
Comment by michael
Yes indeed michael.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:32 amshane, do you really think that you are scoring points with an INTELLIGENT person? There are people here like zooey and venius who will laugh at your childish comments, but they’re in the 6th grade.
Comment by michael — May 10, 2007 @ 12:28 am
michael, do you think I was addressing an INTELLIGENT person?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:32 amTerrorist Islamic regimes, m12? Like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:32 amIs there someone like that here?
Comment by michael — May 10, 2007 @ 12:29 am
That's rhetorical, right?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:33 ammichael skips on providing his MOS, yet again.....
like I said, no honor at all.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:33 amproven once again....
I wonder what horrible thing happened to michael in the 6th grade...?
Oops, I don't care.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:33 am6 ragheads, Mikey? You are kind of a bigot. You just wait…they will not be convicted, just like the Miami guys, because they were nothing but idiots that were egged on by the FBI. They got free boots!!!!
Comment by JPark —
I could not have said it better. Hopefully more and more will see thru this crap, and probably more to come, after the Miami incident.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:34 amMichael/Jake:
May 10th, 2007 at 12:34 amWith all due respect, you guys are messed to say the least. You have turned my country so upside down with your weirdness that I had to turn down the flag stamps at the post office today. I find the personal attacks at TP distasteful and choose not to partake but how does one politley say " what is your fucking problem morons"?. I will happily kick your dumb asses anytime, anywhere. Till then, leave this great nation and the true values it stands for alone. Thanks!
Maybe a bomb shelter, Shane. He is kinda skerred.
Comment by JPark — May 10, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Poor little girlie man michael.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:36 amI wonder what horrible thing happened to michael in the 6th grade…?
Oops, I don’t care.
Comment by Zooey — May 10, 2007 @ 12:33 am
It's probably the last time a girl talked to him. Then he hit puberty and he's been going through that gawky stage ... for about 30 years now. I don't think it's going to pass!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:38 amWayne, I just saw your earlier post about habeas corpus. I'm hoping that, if it is introduced as a stand-alone measure, that it goes before the funding bill. In some ways, having it as a stand-alone measure is a good thing. No one can hide their vote by saying they were really voting against some other portion of the bill.
Of course, I'm still ticked that the Democrats lacked the cajones to filibuster the Military Commissions Act of 2006 in the first place!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:41 amdbadass, keep reading. You will soon lose your disdain for personal attacks. There is a reason those of us that would rather debate reasonable people turn to ad hominems. It is because the righty trolls bring nothing to the table but BS swallowed directly from Hannity and Limbaugh.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:42 amm12, are you really that chickensh!t? Oooo, big, bad, terrorists!!! Please take my rights because I am a big freaking wimp!!!!
Since when did we place the rights of foreign terrorists above national defense?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:42 amBe fair Shane. I am sure many a woman has told him to drop dead.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:42 amI wonder what horrible thing happened to michael in the 6th grade…?
Oops, I don’t care.
Comment by Zooey
good thing, it was awful. See this big bully stuck Mr Habitrails habitrail, the class hamsters yellow tube clear up michaels.....where it got lodged...the Hamster got ecoli....nearly died.....screams like a girl.....walked funny afer that......kids called him Habit Tail after that...
May 10th, 2007 at 12:42 amregarding the pathetic one, if someone had "real money" it wouldn't be spread around. It would be in an off-shore perpetual trust, with a spend-thrift clause.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:43 amSince when did we give no rights to the "accused"? That is not American. You might as well live in the former Soviet Union. You seem to support their ways.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:44 amSo how’s that working for him?
Working well, actually. Terrorists have resorted to attacking England and Spain rather than the US as they no longer have to will to step into the ring with our Commander in Chief.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:44 amIn other words, m12...bahhhhhhh.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:45 amDr. Evil:
We all know that bin Laden considers himself a terrorist -- I've just never thought of McVeigh before as trying to "terrorize" anyone in particular -- he was trying to kill people outright without more to follow. What have you seen here from me that qualifies as "disturbing"? Maybe it was the fake "Jake"?
Speaking of which, I hope that was the fake "Shane" who went to Pepperdine.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:45 amSince when did we give no rights to the “accused� That is not American. You might as well live in the former Soviet Union. You seem to support their ways.
We do give rights to the accused. Americans are charged in US courts, and foreigners are charged with the new Military Tribunals.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:46 amDecember 15, 1791
May 10th, 2007 at 12:46 amNo m12, you really don't get law, do you? By the way, do you think the GV conventions are quaint?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:48 amhowdy all!well,well,well...Covert as in military, or covert as in spying on Americans email/phone/personal info?
Hello my Princess of Progress!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:49 am:D
Jake, so you are a McVeigh supporter. Color me surprised. You are more of an a$$hole than I figured.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:49 amWhat the hell is Congress doing? The best the Committee can do is "[adopt] a provision in its authorization bill that would require the CIA Inspector General to audit each covert action program at least once every three years."
Ouch! That hurts!
Impeach the bastard Bush and the Dick Cheney NOW ALREADY! Show some balls Pelosi and Reid!!!!! How many more crimes need to be committed and how many more will be exposed before Congress does something about it!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:50 amm12, care to delineate the "rights" guarenteed by the Military Commissions Act of 2006?
Care to square those "rights" with the United States Constitution? I've already gone over it before, but please, research it for us. Show us how a Military Commission Tribunal is Constitutional. Include relevant citations to the Military Commissions Act and the Constitution.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:54 amIs Impeachment back on the table yet?
Lets see, they violate the National Security Act and the actions of the Democratic Congress are to make them have more audits?
OMFG!
Break a law, and they get audited more……
UnF*ckingBelievable!!!
Comment by Wayne
It is unbelievable - it is one thing after another...
I have been hearing on some of the talk shows callers recommending bringing justice if not by impeachment then by bringing charges against the murderers after their term is up. Could Bush avoid this by moving to Paraquay?
Bottom line - we need justice to begin the healing process.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:55 amI’ve just never thought of McVeigh before as trying to “terrorize†anyone in particular.
Why because the OK city building didn't hold as many dfferent nationalities of Americans? What or who do you think he was trying to terrorize?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:56 amBnF, doesn't matter. 200 years of law doesn't compare to the new neo-con law. I would hate to be a lawyer right now. It is almost as if precedent no longer matters.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:56 amLook at all the posts on this thread and notice that GOPer trolls have sidetracked the entire thread. When everybody on here responds to them, then they sidetrack the discussion and ruin the subject matter. Some like michael are trained in cyber disruption, so do not respond to his taunts on here.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:56 amHow's it hangin' whiteyfresh?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:56 amDr. Evil, their description of terrorism changes with race. They are kind of bigotted.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:57 amDr. Evil: We all know that bin Laden considers himself a terrorist -Jake
Actually Jake he was called a freedom fighter by the GOP at one time.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:57 amDr. Evil:
"Terrorism" assumes follow-up attacks. Otherwise, there's no point. I've also never thought of McVeigh as female. Are you going to ask "why not?" to that as well?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:58 amNo m12, you really don’t get law, do you? By the way, do you think the GV conventions are quaint?
Al qaeda was a party to the Geneva Conventions? News to me!
Lefties keep trying to extend more rights to terrorists, pretending that these foreigners should be treated as Americans under our Constitution.
What a joke.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:58 am"terrorism" assumes follow-up attacks, Jakey? What? Are you kidding?
May 10th, 2007 at 1:00 amA joke is right m12. The US IS a party to the Geneva Convention.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:01 amm12 You hate the GV conventions. Admit it. You would LOVE to be there torturing those evil terrorist yourself. But you are too much of a coward to actually join up. Poor pathetic loser.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:02 amlittle to the left as USE-U-ALL(oh,wait,that's Bush!):)
May 10th, 2007 at 1:03 amso, to get us oON TRACK, if possible, anyone heard anything on what said action might have been?
PLEASE feel free to get as snarky as you wanna!
Jake:You were a Freedom Fighter(tm)???
May 10th, 2007 at 1:04 amDo you have an action figure?
Terrorism†assumes follow-up attacks. Otherwise, there’s no point. I’ve also never thought of McVeigh as female. Are you going to ask “why not?†to that as well?
Comment by Jake
Mcveigh was in jail when they caught him. But you prolly think the una-bomber wasn't a terrorist either.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:05 am#162
No, I don't have the Geneva Conventions. Perhaps you can nicely talk to al qaeda and get them to sign up.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:07 amNo, I don't *hate* the Geneva Conventions.
Perhaps you can go talk to al qaeda and get them to sign up.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:07 amm12:
Here's the Supreme Court case that held FOREIGNERS can be tried in military tribunals and therefore have limited Constitutional rights during wartime (even U.S. citizens who join terrorists could be tried with them) Ex parte Quirin 317 U.S. 1 (1942):
http://laws.findlaw.com/us/317/1.html
May 10th, 2007 at 1:08 amI picked a hellova time to become a lawyer, didn't I? Not to mention I spent 2 summers abroad learning International Law and International Human Rights, and I have a domestic focus in employment/discrimination law as well.
sigh...
Jay, you're right. Trolls are getting boring. Their drivel is like watching the same insipid re-run of a badly written sit-com, night after night.
later all....
May 10th, 2007 at 1:09 amNo, whiteyfresh, I'm not a freedom fighter, and neither is bin Laden.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:09 amJake is Exley.
Only Exley cites that case. Which, by the way, is totally distinguishable from the present situation, thus inapplicable to make his point. I totally trashed that argument when he first presented it, yet he brings it back up time after time, as if by repetition it can somehow be made to apply.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:11 am#168
Yup. And moreso, Justice Breyer specifically said that the President could continue the tribunals with Congressional Authorization.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:12 amJake, you are right, you are no freedom fighter. You are no kind of fighter.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:12 amHehe, BnF. Being a corporate accountant is awfully fulfilling these days. A 3% tax rate helps out a lot. Not the country, just the CEO.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:13 amPerhaps you can go talk to al qaeda and get them to sign up.
Comment by m12
m12 supported the freedom fighters before he was against the freedom fighters. If you idiots hadn't trained them in the first damn place 9/11 would never have happened traitor.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:14 amUm, no, m12, the military tribunals were outlawed with the last Supreme Court ruling. You guys just don't give a damn about reality. You only care about what will help the Republican party. It is sickening.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:15 amDr. Evil, they don't know jack. They sway with the Limbaugh wind. It is pathetic.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:16 amNo, whiteyfresh, I’m not a freedom fighter, and neither is bin Laden.
Comment by Jake
I damn sure didn't help train them. So take your dumb leftist terror argument and hit the trail cowpatty! yippie tyyyy yoooo tyyy yayyyy!
May 10th, 2007 at 1:18 am#176
That's why the MCA was passed. This is what Clinton's judge said
"...Congress has denied the President the legislative authority to create military commissions of the kind at issue here. Nothing prevents the President from returning to Congress to seek the authority he believes necessary. ... Where, as here, no emergency prevents consultation with Congress, judicial insistence upon that consultation does not weaken our Nation’s ability to deal with danger. To the contrary, that insistence strengthens the Nation’s ability to determine — through democratic means — how best to do so. The Constitution places its faith in those democratic means. Our Court today simply does the same. "
May 10th, 2007 at 1:19 amDr. Evil, they don’t know jack.
I think they are drunk on Jack Daniels and oxycontin
May 10th, 2007 at 1:20 amm12, you JUST contradicted yourself. The SCOTUS said no to the kangaroo courts.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:24 amTo the contrary, that insistence strengthens the Nation’s ability to determine — through democratic means — how best to do so. The Constitution places its faith in those democratic means. Our Court today simply does the same. “ Comment by m12 — May 10, 2007 @ 1:19 am
And yet you place no faith in the Nation or Congress' ability to protect us - because you are an anti-democratic Nazi Wingnut.
You and that terrorist McVeigh are one in the same. You'd destroy this democracy in a heartbeat for your racist, bigoted and hate filled values - you disgusting piece of sh*t. You aren't any different from Bin Laden - you are the same piece of filth that believes murder, torture and betrayal of civil rights is "good" - just like your fellow terrorists. St*pid *ssh*le.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:24 amI guess they do know Jack intimately DR.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:25 amNo, whiteyfresh, I’m not a freedom fighter, and neither is bin Laden. Comment by Jake — May 10, 2007 @ 1:09 am
Then your fellow RayGun CONS shouldn't have called him one - you terrorist loving piece of sh*t.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:25 am“Terrorism†assumes follow-up attacks. Otherwise, there’s no point. I’ve also never thought of McVeigh as female. Are you going to ask “why not?†to that as well? Comment by Jake — May 10, 2007 @ 12:58 am
Making up your own *definitions* again Son? I'm sure the people that attacked the WTC would disagree with you, since they'd never have a chance to attack again. As for your *theory* that other attacks would need to follow - I guess you forgot about all of the local "attacks" in Idaho and Ruby Ridge, and Rudolph, and the countless attacks on abortion clinics in this country? All tied to the same militia, and wingnut core of home grown terrorists that McVeigh belonged to?
You're an idiot.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:28 amAnd yet you place no faith in the Nation or Congress’ ability to protect us - because you are an anti-democratic Nazi Wingnut.
I place plenty of faith in Congress. You're the one who's whining about an Act passed by Congress, with plenty of votes from your party, I might add.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:28 amI place plenty of faith in Congress. You’re the one who’s whining about an Act passed by Congress, with plenty of votes from your party, I might add. Comment by m12 — May 10, 2007 @ 1:28 am
By *plenty*, you mean *handful*? Or are you referring to those that voted for the overall bill, but weren't given enough time to actually read the fine print?
And by "faith", you mean you will still have faith if this is overturned? Or are you one of those wingnut terrorist types that have "limited" faith?
So tell me, what exactly do you enjoy about giving up your rights? Does it remind you of when you were a child, and your parents beat you when you were bad? Why so self loathing, child? Not worthy to have your own "freedoms"?
May 10th, 2007 at 1:36 amCan we say what the Bushies say, "We don't need no stinking badges!"
Rule of law is history with this bunch of criminals and their crimial supporters. They are one big Mafia bound and determined to take over the country and force their sick morals and minds on everyone, too bad they have been so successful, they average american, at this point, is a total moron, easily mislead, they are the sheep being lead to the slaughter.
It is because the low IQ people have many trailer trash larva, and the High IQ people have 0 to 1.5 kids. And this trend is showing all across the nation.
Hating the Repukian Mafia daily
May 10th, 2007 at 1:41 amSy Hersh told us about this in his March 2007 New Yorker article - http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh
Read between the lines and you can see that this is our Iran-Contra but this will involve Saudi Arabia and al-Sadr in Iraq.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:56 amDr. Evil: We all know that bin Laden considers himself a terrorist Comment by Jake — May 10, 2007 @ 12:45 am
We *all* know what he considers himself? Which caves do you hang out in Jacob?
— I’ve just never thought of McVeigh before as trying to “terrorize†anyone in particular Comment by Jake — May 10, 2007 @ 12:45 am
Tell that to the families of FBI agents, who lost their children or now fear the safety of their own children. You forget he *knew* they had children in daycare there - yet he attacked the building. You wingnuts are pieces of sh*t!
— he was trying to kill people outright without more to follow. Comment by Jake — May 10, 2007 @ 12:45 am
Who says? Do you know what he was *thinking*? Are you a *mindreader*, or is that more of your *cave* time of hanging out with terrorists? He belonged to a group of militia that wanted to overthrow the government, and do away with "taxes". Sounds just like you - wingnut.
What have you seen here from me that qualifies as “disturbing� Maybe it was the fake “Jake� Comment by Jake — May 10, 2007 @ 12:45 am
You not considering McVeigh a terrorist, and saying you *know* what Bin Laden thinks is pretty disturbing - terrorist boy.
Speaking of which, I hope that was the fake “Shane†who went to Pepperdine. Comment by Jake — May 10, 2007 @ 12:45 am
How would someone in *daycare* like you care about such things? Dum bass!
May 10th, 2007 at 1:59 am"Al qaeda was a party to the Geneva Conventions?"
No, dear, we are. We are bound by those conventions because we, as a nation, signed them.
"News to me!"
Yes, dear, we know. Your ignorance is evident to all.
"Lefties keep trying to extend more rights to terrorists,"
Dear heart, you are aware that the majority of people we took prisoner in Iraq, in Afghanist, and in Guantanamo were completely innocent, right? That we're still holding some of those completely innocent people even today?
As for "extending rights," no, dear, we're not. We're simply insisting that we are a nation bound by the rule of law and that we do not take away rights or freedoms from anyone without a fair hearing and trial. We are bound by our Constitution, our laws, and the international treaties we have signed. To throw those away for any reason is unAmerican, going against everything this country stands for.
"pretending that these foreigners should be treated as Americans under our Constitution."
No, dear, we're simply insisting that these people are either combatants, in which case the Geneva Conventions apply, or they are criminals, in which case the U.S. Constitution and U.S. law apply. The president is not above either of these and in this country we do not allow the president to lock up anyone he wishes for any reason he wishes for as long as he wishes.
"What a joke."
Our Founding Fathers would not be laughing.
May 10th, 2007 at 3:17 am"the military tribunals were outlawed with the last Supreme Court ruling"
The tribunals at that time were ruled unconstitutional and the Bush administration lost on all counts. However, if I recall correctly, the Court left the door open for Congress to step in, which it promptly did; a sad day for this country. The new rules are still wending their way through the court system and it's not clear how the Supreme Court will rule.
I'm not as clear on this as I would like to be, so take this with a grain of salt, but I believe that there were two problems -- a Constitutional problem and a legal problem. Congress took care of the legal problem by rubber-stamping what Bush wanted to do. That still leaves the Constitutional issue and it's not clear that what is being done will pass that test. If it does not, the new tribunal system will once again be overruled.
May 10th, 2007 at 3:23 am"I would not put it past several people here to be planning actual terrorist plots."
Whatever you say, Chuckles. So how did that call to the Secret Service go when you reported me to them for "threatening" the president? ROFL....
May 10th, 2007 at 3:31 amTwo guilty of trying to leak details of Blair's talks with Bush
Keogh, who copied the document to O'Connor while he was working in the Cabinet Office, said that he acted out of conscience because he believed the document showed Mr Bush to be a "madman".
http://www.independent.co.uk/
May 10th, 2007 at 4:39 amIraqi Oil Union Postpones Strike Until Monday
Breaking News: The Union has postponed the strike until Monday May 14th in order to engage in further negotiations with the authorities and employers. The Union is taking the neogitiation offers in good faith.
More news to follow.
http://www.basraoilunion.org/
May 10th, 2007 at 4:46 amThe SHADOW GOVERNMENT does not consider itself beholden to the congress of the government that was established by our forefathers...the one that we think we influence at the ballot box.
The SHADOW GOVERNMENT funded its coup and global conquests in the weeks prior to 9/11, when DOD Comptroller, Dov Zakheim, stole $7 trillion of your dollars and offshored them to Israel to fund all that has followed.
Congress has no power to defund this war, because the money to pay for it is not under their control. Congress has to authority to enforce the law against the co-conspirators of the SHADOW GOVERNMENT, because they are no longer operating within the US Government structure.
Wake up America.
The coup occured on 9/11 - and it's fully funded.
If the elected officials don't step up and arrest these criminals, it's over for America.
Google: "Shadow Government"
GHW Bush (Senior) is its President and David Rockefeller is its CEO
May 10th, 2007 at 4:49 amAfghan lawmakers call for cease-fire
KABUL, Afghanistan - Lawmakers angered by mounting civilian deaths have sent a sharp warning to U.S. and NATO commanders, passing a motion for a military cease-fire and negotiations with the Taliban.
The resolution, which NATO labeled "a warning shot" across its own bow, came as reports emerged Wednesday of 21 villagers killed in airstrikes — a toll that a Taliban spokesman said the militia would avenge.
The proposal from the upper house of parliament, which also calls for a date to be set for the withdrawal of foreign troops, suggests that Afghan support for the 5 1/2-year international military mission is crumbling amid a series of civilian deaths.
The motion reflects lawmakers' belief that negotiations with militants would be more effective than fighting, said Aminuddin Muzafari, the secretary of the upper house.
May 10th, 2007 at 4:49 amAmerica is losing both wars, Both countries are asking for timetables for withdrawal
The wars are lost , Next time you invade a country try not to shoot civillians and be so gung ho - - -
Your Nazi tactic of shooting 20 people for every troop loss has to stop . If you invade an country dont lose the hearts and minds of the population after all they are the ones who will vote to get you OUT, take the troop loses dont act like Gung Ho Nazis
May 10th, 2007 at 4:54 amCheney wanted 10% PSA's , still too much and was not agreed , therefor I take it Cheney was in Baghdad yesterday peading for 8% or less
May 10th, 2007 at 5:11 amColonel John Nicholson, a US brigade commander, apologised on Tuesday to family members of 19 Afghans killed and 50 injured by US forces in an incident more than two months ago.
"I stand before you today deeply, deeply ashamed and terribly sorry that Americans have killed and wounded innocent Afghan people," Nicholson said he told the family members.
"This was a terrible, terrible mistake, and my nation grieves with you INCLUDING Jake, Patrick1 and all trolls - we are sorry
May 10th, 2007 at 5:30 amIran, U.S. court Gulf Arab allies
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates - Iran and America are courting the Gulf Arab states with the near-simultaneous visits of Vice President Dick Cheney and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad this week.
Both are touring the energy-rich region and landing days apart in the wealthy United Arab Emirates, where the government was said to be carefully choreographing their arrivals and departures.
Cheney was expected to fly from Iraq to the Emirates capital Abu Dhabi on Thursday. Ahmadinejad, who is expected to be greeted with great fanfare as the first ever Iranian head of state to visit, is expected Sunday, after spending two days in neighboring Oman.
BET YOU CHENEY DONT GET NO FANFARE HA HA
May 10th, 2007 at 5:52 amIt is sad to watch Bush and Cheney murder America, with the watchful elected eyes looking on.
May 10th, 2007 at 6:28 amAnd what do you want to bet that "significant covert activity" was a complete screw-up?
May 10th, 2007 at 6:33 amUh-what are most of you saying???
This is a fake and benign attempt to make you feel better.
"...audit each covert action program at least once every three years."
Once every three years for the projects that the CIA knows about?
I mean, I like the direction, but so much more needs to be done. JFK wanted to blow apart the CIA, now we are supposed to be content with once every 3 year audits when projects can open and close within that time frame, then moved to others.
May 10th, 2007 at 7:03 amNo problem with me.
Comment by Jake — May 9, 2007
Why do you hate America and it's Constitution so much?
May 10th, 2007 at 7:07 amI would not put it past several people here to be planning actual terrorist plots.
Comment by Jake
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With what peace signs and books? What was Mcveigh, Jake?
Comment by Dr. Evil
Regarding Timothy Mcveigh...
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/03/29/profile.mcveigh/
May 10th, 2007 at 7:09 am
After 3,369 American deaths, +$500 billion dollars spent, and five years the Bush Administration and the neocons have failed to convince America to give a shit about Iraq. It's tough to convince America to care about Iraq when the neocons don't care about it themselves.
May 10th, 2007 at 7:18 amNEW HORROR SCANDAL INVOLVING US TROOPS
http://ccoaler.blogspot.com/2007/05/new-horror-scandal-involving-us-troops.html
May 10th, 2007 at 8:03 amsry thats just has been again haditha. sry sry
May 10th, 2007 at 8:08 amIs Congress any longer relevent? Who is responsible for casting them aside? And by what authority? Is there a relevent Justice Department? And who has done away with the balance of our Judicial needs? Just what is left of our Goverment? We still pay the taxes. But, the representation of our needs and our will seem to mean nothing anymore.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:01 amOur money must only buy weapons and special interest decisions that will fill the pockets of the well connected.
What has happened to our American Dream? Stolen! Call who?
The PNAC is a very significant covert action, hidden in "plane" sight.
The Neocon's cabal was in desperate need of a "new Pearl Harbor type event." It was answered w/ a slam dunk, & a prey's prayer, by a former MujahadinFreedomFighter, who just so happenens to be from the rich Saudi Arabian family that has been cozy w/ the Bu$hCo crime family for ages.
Slick-Dick's secret Natl. Energy Sec. meetings sealed Iraq's fate, just as one of the bin Laden boyz sealed Dubya's, when he bailed him out of Bu$h's
bankrupt oil co. in Tx... Hearken, I hear Arbusto busting, or perhaps just the preparations of Shock n' Awe, version 2.0. Can you say, another false-flag operation? The US has had special forces in Iran to paint targets for
several years now. Bu$hCo is cornered, & he needs a diversion.
Beware, we need a 3-front war, & occupation, like we need another hike in
gas prices. No more XS-FX to distract from our mission, ITMFA.
According to the PNAC roadmap, Iran is the next detination. Why else would we have 4 carrier groups adjacent to the Persian Gulf?
Watch out Syria, & Saudi Arabia, Bu$h is Hell bent on a Pyrrich victory, @ any cost.
I was wondering where all of the trolls from the RRMB were hiding, now I know. Your community seems to have a minor infestation of them.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:03 amhow many laws does Bush have to break before he's impeached and incarcerated?
May 10th, 2007 at 9:05 amIsn't it time to take stronger action about this intentionally oversight by just about every department in this administration? Isn't it time to issue indictments instead of a mere slap on the wrist and another investigation? The people are losing even more faith in this newly-elected Congress as the corruption piles high and new scandals are born each week.
Is it not time to show the american people that our laws are to be obeyed - not by just some of the people, some of the time - but by all of the people, all of the time?
It's time to halt the massive exemption from the legal ramifications of breaking the laws of this country. It's time to put our money where our mouth is - it's time to put up or shut up. It's time to bring these criminals in high places to the justice they know they deserve in their overt culpability and imprison them if found guilty.
It's "over-time" in my estimation! Get with the program, Congress! Take off the silk gloves. Either put up or STFU once and for all!
If this Congress is just another figurehead or rubber stamp of "business as usual", the people will have no mercy on them and they will be ousted just as quickly as they got in. They are beginning to squander the faith of the people who trusted them. The people will take no prisoners on their inaction - the people will hold them all personally and collectively accountable for aiding and abetting this massive "obstruction of justice" going on within our government.
Nothing is sacred any longer; nothing is safe any longer; nothing is to be believed any longer. The mainstream media is feeding americans a ration of bullshit every day of the week. Believe nothing you hear on the news or read in the papers.
BTW, WHERE IS THE HEADLINE ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE IRAQI PARLIAMENT WHO VOTED TWO DAYS AGO TO CREATE TIMETABLES FOR US TO LEAVE THEIR COUNTRY?
WHERE IS THE HEADLINE ABOUT HOW THE IRAQI PARLIAMENT WANT THE US "OCCUPIERS" TO BE GONE?? JUST ASK YOURSELF THAT QUESTION IF YOU STILL DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF SYCOPHANTIC WHORES.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:08 amJPV:
Lincoln was a registered Republican too. Do you think he hated America and it’s Constitution as well?
May 10th, 2007 at 9:09 amI've lost count.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:10 amPete Bogs:
Which law(s) did Bush break?
May 10th, 2007 at 9:11 am"We will leave when the Iraqis ask us to leave."
May 10th, 2007 at 9:15 amDo overwhelming numbers count?
"When the Iraqis stand up," our GIs will continue to be shotdown & blownup.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-threat-to-sue-bush-over-iraq-bill-2007-05-08.html
In the end this is one of the things that we can expect from Bush...
Signing Statement
Would anyone care to bet on it?
May 10th, 2007 at 9:15 am#211 Chuckster: You are correct. About the Arbusto Energy Corp which was Dubya's first business venture, two guesses who his business partner was at that time (and the first one doesn't count!)?? Mafouz Bin Laden!! OBL's brother!
Then guess who was involved with Dubya in the unloading of his tanking Harkin Energy stock (another company Dubya tanked)?? Three guesses this time and the first two don't count! Mafouz again!
Is it any wonder why when the 911 prognosticators in just about every country in the world began sending the administration intel about what was to occur, they disregarded it? Why do you think they would do that? Is it perhaps that they required 'another pearl harbor' to begin their coup on this democracy and convert it to fascism as well as to invade a sovereign oil-rich country?? (Incidentally, "Another Pearl Harbor" is a great read and will enlighten immeasurably).
It's all been part of a HUGE PNAC plan and I believe Congress needs to begin to subpoena the members of this neocon group as it appears clearer with each passing day that the Patriot Act was concocted well in advance of 911 as the "tool of the coup". The PNAC is responsible for all of the death and destruction their maniacal plan has brought to the world. The PNAC is singly responsible for the increased terrorism around the world. The PNAC has the blood of every american soldier sent to war unnecessarily and for amoral rationale on their hands.
The people need to hold these individuals personally and collectively responsible for the massive debt we've incurred in the execution of this illegal war. After all: a war based on lies, is a "tainted war" and illegal by anyone's definition. Perhaps Bush et al will be charged with "war crimes" like Saddam himself when all is said and done. I've heard that the international tribunal is already writing up their charges.
When will the american people wake up and realize that in order to preserve the remnants of this flagging democracy, impeachment is THE only answer??
May 10th, 2007 at 9:16 amPete Bogs: Right on! It's beyond time in my estimation. This man has broken the main law in this country which is "lying to the people". This cannot be tolerated since this man serves at the "pleasure of the people" who pay his paycheck. He's nothing more than a "public servant" and, as such, is accountable to the people for his actions. He's lied so many times that it's difficult to count at this point. He's a national disgrace and the people are repudiating him as evidenced by his horrendous poll numbers.....which are dropping like the Titanic. When is a president not a president? I've heard that the "magic number" is 28%. What will it be next week? 26%?? The longer he holds his pissing contest with the people of this country, the more his numbers will drop until they are in the teens.....at which point there will be no GOP! He's not only tanking his legacy and this country - he's taking the entire Republican Party down with him. The Republican Party has done nothing right - nothing moral - and will be embroiled in continuous scandals until the cows come home. They're rapidly becoming irrelevant - anyone can see that from the paltry, unexciting, ill-informed group of "candidates" seeking the presidency. With each passing day of Bush's War Against The American People, the GOP becomes a bit more irrelevant and obsolete. The people WILL take out their anger and frustration about Bush and this illegal war on the GOP. I predict that there will not be a Republican president for at least another decade and half at this rate.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:23 amI read this site every day and find it quite valuable as a news source. Today, however, was the first time I decided to read comments.
I fully realize I'm not a regular poster and don't know the history of the back and forth between characters here but honestly, why do people engage such obvious partisan instigators as Jake, m12 and michael? Their comments have absolutely no substance and serve only to bait those who want to have a meaningful dialog.
Their comments in this thread could be used as a textbook example of the concept of "troll."
May 10th, 2007 at 9:23 am#217 - Chuckster: As I've said, where is the report about how the majority of the Iraqi Parliament voted on Monday to remove us from Iraq?? Where is that buried? They are the ones supporting "timetables" - amazing that there has been virtually no coverage of this important piece particularly in the face of the bill being redrafted - utterly and sycophantically amazing...heh-heh.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:26 amBinx:
Perhaps you missed the "substance" of actual names and dates I provided of U.S. Attorneys replaced by both Carter and Clinton?
May 10th, 2007 at 9:29 amDid this covert action take place in Washington....the DOJ perhaps?
May 10th, 2007 at 9:31 amJake: different situations, different context. Your post was irrelevant, but enjoy thinking it has substance.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:33 ammichael of the '101st fighting keyboards' with help from Jake completed their mission of totally hijacking this thread and making it a personality war.
Maybe some day someone will stop feeding the trolls so much. It's okay to argue valid, thread-related points but we (being people actually interested in rational discourse) all might want to think twice about making up another batch of troll food.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:35 amHI Binx and welcome to the TP threads! TP IS a wonderful source of relevant, timely news and information with plenty of sources for their pieces noted. The regular posters here are also a viable, valuable source of information and I've eliminated watching primetime news and reading the newspapers at this point unless/until they are referred to in one of the blogs for a specific article.
The fly in the ointment, however, is the predictable "hijacker troll" who prowls these threads in the hope of a confrontation. Obviously, these individuals are hate-filled and in need of attention. I agree with you wholeheartedly that these individuals do not deserve the time or energy it takes to engage in dialogue with them. We've also discovered that at least one of them suffers from MPD (multiple personality disorder) and switches monikers as often as three times per thread. You've hit the nail on the head and, without any previous experience or knowledge, identified this particular troll who uses such monikers as: Jake, Michael1, Firehead, and the others.
Why anyone would give away their personal power to a sicko is beyond me. Any time another individual jerks your chain to the extent that they affect you energetically enough to elicit a response, it's clear that they are "power vampires". We've got several on these threads. Freeze them out. Do not respond to them.
They litter the threads with inana commentary, obvious hijacking of the discussion, and/or blaming past presidents for the horrors of this presidency. Don't let them trick you into giving them one iota of attention.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:36 amSee what I mean, Binx? The blaming of previous presidents is such an old, predicable and obsolete "game", isn't it? This troll MUST BE the local village idiot!
May 10th, 2007 at 9:37 am"McVeigh was not a hero. He was an example of Clinton’s miserable failure to defend our homeland, and he was finally brought to justice in 2001 by the Bush Administration."
Clinton was responsible for McVeigh and Bush is not responsible for 911. Wow, you have some amazing critical thinking skills. I'm impressed!
May 10th, 2007 at 9:43 amThanks for the welcome and explanation, veritas. I too have ostensibly given up TV news though I do still read the newspapers.
I can't over-emphasize the insight I've gotten reading certain of the commenters on the political sites I frequent. Not only have I developed a more nuanced set of opinions but I've taken great comfort in the shared outrage at the lawless acts of this administration and the passionate support of our Constitutional rights among the eloquent writers that are backbone of the Democratic netroots. Keep posting and ignore those pesky irritant buzzing around your head!
May 10th, 2007 at 9:51 amkrazycure:
I was simply pointing out that someone who only started reading comments today probably has missed most of my very substantive posts on other threads. Regardless, my very first post on THIS thread made it clear I have no problem with Congress not being told of this covert action. I also pointed out the historical fact that other "rights" temporarily put upon during wartime have been restored afterwards. What's not "substance" about that?
May 10th, 2007 at 9:52 amFor the record, I was not the one who brought up McVeigh, but i don't think he was a hero either.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:53 amCiting precendent in UNPRECENDENTED TIMES is irrelevant. Thanks Jake.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:59 amComment by Jake — May 10, 2007 @ 9:52 am
Jake, you continue to make a fucking fool of yourself. There is no declared war here. This is a grab for oil and even dumbass troglodytes like you should realize that.
The trolls like you continually praise, defend and excuse the criminal acts of this administration while using the Clinton lied about a blowjob as reason it is okay.
Go fuck yourself you ignorant troll.
May 10th, 2007 at 10:05 amBinx: As you can readily see, our resident troll is also an egomaniac - that's readily obvious. I find the troll posts to be extremely insightful into the mindset of the GOP and their inane talking points. So, in that respect, the posts of this troll actually become fodder for the recruitment of more people to the democratic party (or independent but certainly not republican) than any lofty, expensive PR campaign! Dialoguing with a fool is definitely "fool's play" and I make it a practice to NEVER engage directly with a troll lest I suffer my personal power unto them.
Most of us here are cognizant of the trolls and warn each other. Although it may be tempting to engage in a head-on collision with one of them, the fact is that they then "vampire" your personal power by engaging you when you don't desire engagement. It's a "power play" well known by psychotherapists.
Welcome to the threads and I hope our paths will cross again later on! Your point is well taken about this being an outlet to share the level of outrage which is currently reaching critical mass proportions in this country.
May 10th, 2007 at 10:08 amThank God I didn't cite "precendent" then.
May 10th, 2007 at 10:09 amBinx:
I am registered Independent and not affiliated in any way with the GOP.
May 10th, 2007 at 10:13 amGood catch on the errant N Jake... spell checker makes you all the more irrelevant.
May 10th, 2007 at 10:17 am#236
May 10th, 2007 at 10:19 amAnd that's just ONE of 'Jakes' many fascinating and diverse personalities!
In regard to the actual content of the article we're commenting on, I'd like to ask, how many times do we have to accept "inadvertant" as an excuse? The most recent example being the millions of Rovian RNC emails that were "accidentally deleted."
Do we have to take this as simply another "mistake" or are there criminal or procedural actions we can take to force the administration to take responsibility for their negligence? You wouldn't let a child lie to you time after time without some sort of response, what can our's be?
May 10th, 2007 at 10:28 amExhibit # 1,235,879...
...in the case for IMPEACHMENT...
...that's "not on the table"...
...keep sleeping with your frogs DUHmerikkka...
May 10th, 2007 at 10:52 amBy *plenty*, you mean *handful*? Or are you referring to those that voted for the overall bill, but weren’t given enough time to actually read the fine print?
By *plenty* I mean over 40 members of your party in Congress.
Are you suggesting that your members are so useless they sign off on something before reading it? Great! I have a check for $50000 with my name on it waiting for someone to hand me free cash.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:21 am#91
Al qaeda has not signed the GV conventions, and therefore are not eligible for POW status. Since the other party has not signed the deal, we are not bound by it. They do not fight under any nation or any flag, and cannot be considered soldiers.
You might have your ideal about how these foreigners should be treated, but it doesn't mesh with the American people, and didn't mesh with the last Congress.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:25 amWOW!! The Bush admin not respecting the rule of law?!!? Can't Be!?!?!?
Who would expect that!?!?!?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:29 pmJPark
If he is looking for an in depth critique, he isn't going to get one.
Just an overview of his views as expressed on this site. He hasn't posted any facts, only his own opinions.
He has plainly admitted to being a racist.
He has point blank admitted to being in favour of torture.
And he has plainly admitted to being in favour of a fascist type government which rounds up its political opposition, arrests them and tortures them.
He is even in favour of scape-goating past governments.
In short, if Mikey had his way, his ideal version of America would look something like Zimbabwe, except with a white Robert Mugabe.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:34 pmm12
Wrong answer moron.
You do not have to have signed the GV conventions to be protected by them. Go read them at some point.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:40 pmSays who?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:51 pmAll you have to be, is a citizen of a state which HAS signed the accords.
So lets take a look at the Iraq war. Has Iraq signed the Geneva conventions?
Yes. In 1956.
Has Al Qaeada's nation of origin, Saudi Arabia, signed the accords?
Yes, in 1963.
Have Iran or Syria signed the accords?
Yep, both in 1949.
If you want to list countries now, I can keep on giving you years in which they signed.
Al Qaeada as a NGO is protected via the fact that its members are nationals of signatory states. That as a militia it is not a signatory to the accords is irrelevant, as this would translate into every militia in the world having to have signed.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:58 pmCompletely irrelevant, as Al qaeda terrorists do not fight as soldiers of a state. They fight as members of a barbaric organization.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:46 pmm12
Al Qaeda qualifies for individual protections guaranteed by law, rather then the protections granted as POWs. As such, an Al Qaeda operative may be charged with murder for killing a "enemy" soldier.
However, that same operative is still guaranteed protections under American law, and article IV of the geneva conventions (as per the Celebici Judgment which holds that there is no gap through which someone can fall and find themselves without any rights.)
Of course, under American law, where habeas corpus has been eliminated and anybody anywhere can be arrested and held indefinitely, tortured, and denied the right to appeal until a Combatant Status Review Tribunal has heard their case (Which can be staved off indefinitely as there is no time limit on just when the tribunal has to be called) this is all irrelevant - as anybody can be declared a potential enemy combatant and thus stripped of all of their rights.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:05 pmWe're going after the Soviets again. What would be the point of going to the moon for the first time again, if you had nobody to brag to?
May 10th, 2007 at 6:12 pmno big surprise there... BLOWBACK!!
May 10th, 2007 at 6:15 pmVOTE RON PAUL to restore The Constitution !!
RON PAUL '08 !!!
May 10th, 2007 at 6:20 pmI don't trust Congress. I wouldn't tell them my secrets either.
May 10th, 2007 at 7:17 pmCompletely irrelevant, as Al qaeda terrorists do not fight as soldiers of a state. They fight as members of a barbaric organization. Comment by m12 — May 10, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
You mean like a *gang*? Then that makes them *criminals*, and criminals always have rights - even anti-american criminals like yourself.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:55 pmThe bush administration is planting the seeds of world war three and there's just about NOTHING you can do to stop it.. so, have a nice day!
May 11th, 2007 at 8:14 am