NBC: 11 Republicans Berate Bush Over Iraq In Private White House Meeting
NBC: 11 Republicans Berate Bush Over Iraq In Private White House Meeting
In a sign of the growing fissure between the White House and its congressional allies over the war, NBC News reports tonight that 11 Republican members of Congress pleaded yesterday with President Bush and his senior aides to change course in Iraq.
The group of Republicans was led by Reps. Mark Kirk (R-IL) and Charlie Dent (R-PA), and the meeting included Defense Secretary Robert Gates, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Karl Rove, and Tony Snow. One member of Congress called the discussion the “most unvarnished conversation they’ve ever had with the president,” and NBC’s Tim Russert said it “may have been a defining pivotal moment” in the Iraq debate.
Russert described the conversation:
[O]ne said “My district is prepared for defeat. We need candor, we need honesty, Mr. President.” The president responded, “I don’t want to pass this off to another president. I don’t want to pass this off, particularly, to a Democratic president,” underscoring he understood how serious the situation was.
Brian, the Republican congressman then went on to say, “The word about the war and its progress cannot come from the White House or even you, Mr. President. There is no longer any credibility. It has to come from Gen. Petraeus.” The meeting lasted an hour and 15 minutes and was, in the words of one, “remarkable for the bluntness and no-holds-barred honesty in the message delivered by all these Republican congressmen.”
Watch the report:
UPDATE: House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) also attended the meeting.
Transcript:
WILLIAMS: Tonight we’re also able to report new and exclusive details on the politics of the war in Iraq, specifically involving President Bush and members of his own party. For that we are joined by our Washington Bureau Chief Tim Russert. What do we know?
RUSSERT: Brian, all eyes on the Republican Party. How long will they support the president’s position on the Iraq war? Yesterday may have been a defining pivotal moment. At 2:30 in the afternoon in the private quarters of the White House, the Salarium room, 11 Republican congressmen had a private meeting with the President, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, the chief political adviser Karl Rove and the White House Press Secretary Tony Snow and others. It was headed by Mark Kirk of Illinois and Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania. It was, in the words of one of the parties, the “most unvarnished conversation they’ve ever had with the president.” Another member said he has met with three presidents and never have been so can candid. They told the president, and one said, “My district is prepared for defeat. We need candor, we need honesty, Mr. President.” The president responded, “I don’t want to pass this off to another president. I don’t want to pass this off, particularly, to a Democratic president,” underscoring he understood how serious the situation was. Brian, the Republican congressman then went on to say, “The word about the war and its progress cannot come from the White House or even you, Mr. President. There is no longer any credibility. It has to come from Gen. Petraeus.” The meeting lasted an hour and 15 minutes and was, in the words of one, “remarkable for the bluntness and no-holds-barred honesty in the message delivered by all these Republican congressmen.”
WILLIAMS: And Tim, in the seconds remaining, how did the president react, and how then did this affect the instructions for Vice President Cheney heading off to Iraq.
RUSSERT: One congressman said, “How can our sons and daughters spill their blood while the Iraqi government goes on vacation?” The president responded, “The vice president is over there to tell them, do not go on vacation.”
Tim, as always, thanks.
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…”There is no longer any credibility. It has to come from Gen. Petraeus.â€
Pfffft…as if General Patraeus has any credibility.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:29 pmBaloney he doesn’t want to give this mess to another President!
That’s what he’s been hinting at all along.
Grrrrrrrrr……..
May 9th, 2007 at 7:29 pm11 Republican members of Congress pleaded yesterday with President Bush and his senior aides to change course in Iraq.
They have changed course, they sent lots more troops to die.
Then they sent the Antichrist himself Dick Cheney.
Jeeez…
May 9th, 2007 at 7:30 pmQuoting myself on the last thread:
The smell of desperation in BushCo is turning into the stench of death.
The step in between is insanity. Thrashing and flailing about as awareness of death gets stronger. And that is what this request represents.
Insanity=Out of touch with reality.
Comment by Merlin — May 9, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
May 9th, 2007 at 7:30 pmChimpy has actually said we will never leave Iraq while he’s president.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:31 pmHe lied to their faces.
Rats are getting really scared. And oh yea fark you punkin head
May 9th, 2007 at 7:33 pmOne congressman said, “How can our sons and daughters spill their blood while the Iraqi government goes on vacation?†The president responded, “The vice president is over there to tell them, do not go on vacation.â€
We know with the GOP and it’s axis of evil, when the going gets tough… the wimps…
Go cut some shrub
Go Shoe Shopping
Go Hunting
Go into rehab
And finally go on vacation..
GWB has taken how many days vacation?
May 9th, 2007 at 7:34 pmWell, maybe they see the writing on the wall, they repukian mafia is gonna fall big time in the 08 elections, they have been shown to all what they are…a bunch of liars, criminals, thugs, stubborn idiots, war profiteers, war criminals, the list of offenses that they have done is too long to list. It is mind boggling.
Hating the Repukian Mafia daily
May 9th, 2007 at 7:34 pmIn other news
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/51624/
OK, they want us to leave now, so lets go.
( Yeah, it’s a repost from one I put in the previous thread=P )
May 9th, 2007 at 7:35 pmNot until The Chimp is frogmarched from the White House and Darth Cheney has keeled over.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:35 pmThat’s right, Zooey.
I couldn’t enunciate those words myself because I was so angry – it came out as @$%#^*&#$#$!
:)
May 9th, 2007 at 7:36 pmHow are you all tonight?
I want to know who spilled the beans on this one? Was it Karl and why should be believe this meeting took place the way they said it.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:36 pmin response, bush will announce another surge
lets take up a pool… im giving 3:1 odds
May 9th, 2007 at 7:36 pm“Do not go on vacation” Wow, that’s telling them.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:38 pm“Another member said he has met with three presidents and never have been so can candid.”
This is the problem. They need to stop doing the can can and start doing the bunny hop out of there
May 9th, 2007 at 7:38 pm#5 Comment by Zooey — May 9, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
“Chimpy has actually said we will never leave Iraq while he’s president.
He lied to their faces.”
Yep. It still part of PLAN A. A huge “confidence scheme” to dupe the American people. (Congress included of course.) Completely predictable and part of the “show”. Cook up more popcorn and watch the wheels come off the bus.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:40 pm@$%#^*&#$#$!
:)
How are you all tonight?
Comment by trueblue
Oh good, youknow how I feel about cursing. :D
I’m good. Third exam, 7:30 a.m., tomorrow. Ready as I’ll ever be!
You?
May 9th, 2007 at 7:40 pmLike, duh.
Oh yeah – this just in from Captain Obvious:
The only election that matters in Iraq is the US election…. purple fingers…. may as well had a country-wide circle jerk instead, at least someone would have won.
Tim Russert: you’re a tool – you sold your integrity a long time ago – f**k off.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:40 pmThe current estimate is that Dems pick up between another 9 and 17 seats in the House. 21 Repub senators are up for reelect and only 9 Dems, so Dems WILL pick up more seats in the Senate. We could possibly have super-majorities in both houses plus the Whitehouse.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:40 pmbut bush doesn’t pay attention to polls, or was that people?
Good news would be when the republicans started promoting the best plan for ending war that I’ve seen – and it suprisingly comes from a republican:
“We Just Marched in so We can Just March Out”
May 9th, 2007 at 7:40 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/we_just_marched_in_so_we_can_just_march_out
I’m still betting on Chimpy goin’ nukular on I-ran.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:40 pmGeneral Petraeus reports to the Commander guy. These are some worthless sons of bitches in the GOP. They know how to let the dogs out but do not know how to bring them back in. Dubya is an AWOL coward, a drunken AWOL coward and his entire administration is made up of cowards who have never worn a uniform. It is time to remove this Bush Crime Family and turn them over to the Haque.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:40 pmChimpy has actually said we will never leave Iraq while he’s president.
He lied to their faces.
Comment by Zooey — May 9, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
You’re absolutely right. I’ve been saying this all along, the Bush administration doesn’t give two shits about republicans, democrats, christians, athiests, you, me, the world etc etc – all they care about is themselves & the corporations they are beholden to.
This is why every single post I see here from the trolls I have to chuckle – they’re blindly supporting people who couldn’t care less about them.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:41 pm“Do not go on vacation†Wow, that’s telling them.
Comment by Eli
Followed by, “If y’all need me, I’ll be in Crawford.heh heh.”
:/
May 9th, 2007 at 7:43 pmGWB has taken how many days vacation?
Comment by Can-O-Whoop-Ass
I would bet it’s equal to more than a year, but I don’t know how to find out.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:44 pmThis is why every single post I see here from the trolls I have to chuckle – they’re blindly supporting people who couldn’t care less about them.
Comment by Namtillaku
Exactly.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:45 pmHope you’re wrong, Tom3.
That would not be good….
Zooey,
OK, I guess. Good luck tomorrow.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:45 pmGeneral Betrayus reports to the Commander guy.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:45 pmSo Shrub “recognizes the seriousness of the situation,” but continues publicly to embrace a rose-colored view? Another day, another lie. Can he even distinguish between reality and fantasy at this juncture?
What’s more, who in the hell in the Iraqi parliament is going to listen to Cheney, whose bloodthirst and greed created this situation in the first place?
May 9th, 2007 at 7:47 pm!Comment by Republicans are the Fear and Smear Party — May 9, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
“…â€There is no longer any credibility. It has to come from Gen. Petraeus.â€
Pfffft…as if General Patraeus has any credibility.”
Not with us he doesn’t. But the American public still holds John Wayne and RayGun up as credible heroes. They are correct here, IMO. The public will listen to “the generals on the ground” and believe.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:47 pmWhen the walls come tumblin down, when the walls come tumblin down, crumblin, crumblin DOWNNNnnnn
May 9th, 2007 at 7:49 pmRepublicans have heard this for years!!!!
May 9th, 2007 at 7:49 pmNow that the election is coming they are worried.
Too bad.
They don’t care about the troops, only their reelections.
And Cheney went to Iraq to secure oil contracts,
these people have no shame!!
So, some pukes see “the light”? At the end of the six year tunnel? And gwb doesn’t want to make a “hand-off” to the opposition. It must be late in “the game”. So, what is his next “backed to the wall” decider decision? Punt?????
May 9th, 2007 at 7:50 pmPukes like to punt! They have been punting for a long time.
Hold on!
#2
Baloney he doesn’t want to give this mess to another President!
That’s what he’s been hinting at all along.
Grrrrrrrrr……..
Comment by trueblue — May 9, 2007 @ 7:29 pm
Yeah, I thought that was pure BS too, the claim that W said he didn’t want to leave Iraq to another President, especially a Dem president-that part of the spin has pure Karl Rove behind it
The GOP is cracking from it’s formerly unquestioning support of all things W, and now that he’s the anchor dragging the Party’s worthless ass down in a hurry, they have to cut themselves and pitch W overboard
The only problem for these Wtards is that in undercutting W, they undercut themselves as well, they know it, and they know it’s going to cost them dearly come November 2008
Those not willing to dtich W will most assuredly issue more totally unhinged platitudes the closer we get to election day 2008, realizing at the same time just how successful for the GOP were it’s claims before the 2006 elections of “Dems=Terrorists”
Watch the slimy off-key caterwauling from the GOP ratchet up going into November, 2008, and enjoy watching so many despicable swine get their truly just rewards
May 9th, 2007 at 7:53 pmMore rats off an increasingly large sinking ship
May 9th, 2007 at 7:55 pmits about time someone told the emperor he has no clothes. you have to assume that this has been the private position of the majority of republicans for some time now. bush is a bully and thus has been able to cower his party into submission. a dog thats been kicked will eventually tire and bite back.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:56 pmBush has indeed spent more than a year on vacation, breaking Ronald Reagan’s old record way back in August, 2005. He has taken 63 trips to his ranch and has spent 405 days either entirely or partially at that ranch.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:56 pmKingCranky,
621 days 4 hrs 3 minutes left of this corrupt admin.
Not nearly close enough.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:57 pmAs for this “growing fissure,” I’ll believe it when they actually start voting that way. Until then, this is more empty noise. It’s a story we’ve heard way too many times before. When push comes to shove, they always fall in line and are all too likely to do so again at the next vote.
May 9th, 2007 at 7:57 pmEveryone Notice ??
May 9th, 2007 at 8:03 pmAll those commenting “Hate” what Bush has done.
“Hate” what Cheney has done to this [once formerly] great nation.
Buck Fush !!
Oh, and Buck Cheney, Too !!
Did anyone notice that Vice P. Dick(head) Chriminal wasn’t there? So nothing really changed…unless Dick(head) approved it!!! Right?
May 9th, 2007 at 8:03 pmSmarmy Rape-Public-Cans are squirming ONLY because they fear their own political demise. These loathesome despots see they will be removed and only that is causing them to wisper. Country and military be damned its party and power that they seek.
HISTORICAL COLLOSSAL FAILURE.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:03 pm“Do as I say, not as I do.”
The Most Vacationed President in US history is in NO POSITION to tell ANYONE when they should or should not go on Vacation.
Do you get it now?
This President has NO CREDIBILITY.
The chickens have come home to roost.
When the leaders of the SHADOW GOVERNMENT led an attack against America on 9/11 as the Pretext for the taking of the territory and the resources of the Middle East, on Israel’s behalf, they set in motion the results that have followed.
Every Republican who has spent their days enabling this coup is directly responsible for these results.
TREASON is the charge.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:04 pmBush has taken one years worth of vacation..
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=George_W._Bush:_The_War_President_is_Missing_in_Action
May 9th, 2007 at 8:06 pmBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..
How low will the New York Times go……typical liberal hypocrisy…..read and educate yourself liberals….
thinkprogress.org is not too interested in your guys reading about this story…..oh the humanity, oh the stupidity, oh the hypocrisy of the New York Times!! hahahaha!!!!
thinkprogress.org, why won’t you do a story on this? scared that your god the New York Times will be exposed as the Liberal full of hypocrasy
crap that it is ???
May 09, 2007
NYT Hypocrisy: Having Exposed US Data-Mining To Target Terrorists, NYT Now Itself Employs Data-Mining To Target Customers
In the Village Voice. The only good thing about leftist rags is that they hate establishment liberals almost as much as they hate conservatives.
“Barely a year after their reporters won a Pulitzer prize for exposing data mining of ordinary citizens by a government spy agency, New York Times officials had some exciting news for stockholders last week: The Times company plans to do its own data mining of ordinary citizens, in the name of online profits.
The news didn’t make everyone all googly-eyed. In fact, some people at the paper’s annual stockholders meeting in the New Amsterdam Theatre exchanged confused looks when Janet Robinson, the company’s president and CEO, uttered the phrase “data mining.” Wasn’t that the nefarious, 21st-century sort of snooping that the National Security Agency was doing without warrants on American citizens? Wasn’t that the whole subject of the prizewinning work in December 2005 by Times reporters Eric Lichtblau and James Risen?”
And hadn’t the company’s chairman and publisher, Pinch Sulzberger, already trotted out Pulitzers earlier in the program?
Yes, yes, and yes. But Robinson was talking about money this time. Data mining, she told the crowd, would be used “to determine hidden patterns of uses to our website.” …
Do readers really want data-mining behavior from their newspapers—not just the Times but every other big media outlet? Do they want newspaper databases to store reading histories, minute by minute, until one day the government shows up to examine ordinary citizens’ shopping and viewing and chatting habits in detail? If you think it can’t happen, ask the librarians who’ve been told to hand over readers’ checkout records under the Patriot Act.
It was pointed out at the time of the NYT’s revelations that data-mining was quite common in everyday business and marketing. The Times, nevertheless, pushed forward its editorial line that data-mining was dangerous, invasive, and patently unAmerican.
How the Times has changed.
Thanks to dri. Again. This is getting embarrassing.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:06 pmI want to know who spilled the beans on this one? Was it Karl and why should be believe this meeting took place the way they said it.
Yup–Russert is this administration’s most willing and useful idiot. This smells.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:07 pm11 Repugs talk tough and then flip flop? Sounds like Arlen Specter made 11 trips to the WH.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:08 pm“BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA” translates to “don’t bother reading my message.”
May 9th, 2007 at 8:10 pmThese people must be at risk of losing their seats, so this helps them in their districts–they can go home and say “I confronted Bush over this!”
This is bs and smells of Rove.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:11 pmVaginathehater it must be excruciating to live in your skin. How heavy is the water today?
BTW, how is your rectum looking today?
So Impotent
May 9th, 2007 at 8:11 pmSo Incompetent
So Irrelevent
Bush has taken one years worth of vacation..
Comment by Can-O-Whoop-Ass
Thanks, Can-O-Whoop-Ass!
I liked the word on that website: Dilettante
May 9th, 2007 at 8:11 pmAre you emotionally prepared for your government’s desparation?
Are you prepared for Cheney to launch a full-blown nuclear false flag attack against 2 cities in the US (as telegraphed by media talking heads) in order to “justify” a nuclear response against Iran and the parallel imposition of Martial Law here in the US?
Are you emotionally prepared for the use of the CONCENTRATION CAMPS inside the US that have been built by Cheney’s Halliburton?
Google: “Swift Luck Greens”
Stop ignoring reality and arrest the traitors who have imposed this artificial reality upon us:
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com
May 9th, 2007 at 8:13 pmValiant you will of course feel just as comfortable with President Hillary Clinton having the same powers of signing statements, rendition, torture, and warrantless wiretaps right?
Mmmmmmmmmm Yeah, thought so.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:14 pm“This is getting embarrassing.”
And you should be embarrassed!
May 9th, 2007 at 8:15 pm# 36 Comment by andy phx — May 9, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
“you have to assume that this has been the private position of the majority of republicans for some time now.”
I, for one, don’t assume that. These sheep have no mind of their own at all, and will repeat whatever is the current CW that will advanvce their sorry careers. Right now they are like rats threatening to leave the ship cause they fear drowning. They get no credit from me for this current act of “bravery.”
May 9th, 2007 at 8:16 pmhey, could someone tell me where i can find an overly long post that’s completely off topic? nevermind. i found one.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:18 pmwhat BS all around. 11 war profiteers are nervous for their jobs. they mentioned their constituents as being “ready for defeat” that is their defeat in the next election.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:20 pmnothing else motivates any politician.
#56…LOL! I saw #45 and then saw who posted it and moved onto the next post. We don’t have time to read manifestoes.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:21 pmCheney went to Baghdad to read the riot act to the Iraqi govt. No Vacations, and get busy on Oil revenues, ReBathification,and Changes in the Constitution. Even our Vice president must realize that the surge is no miraculous cure for the Iraq Problem…and that time is running out. The Iraqi security minister was on the newshour tonite promising an oil deal and no vacations. Things are moving very fast in Iraq.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:22 pmThe reason why GOP politicians are getting nervous by the continuation of this war without good tangebles to show for is because they can loose their seats as a result if nothing changed. GOP politicians got a bitter taste of last elections.
For Bush, Cheney and Condi…politically they have no future losses to worry about, they think they will have gains instead by continuing this war road rather than looking weak and defeated.
But the cost of this war,the patience of people,overhere and in Iraq,the whole Middle Eastern is running thin.
Bush soon might hear voices getting louder among his own party.
Two months from now…things might not look good for Bush should his surge lead to a ‘dead end’ road.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:23 pmpgw,
Brilliant!
May 9th, 2007 at 8:24 pm#56 Comment by pgw — May 9, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
hey, could someone tell me where i can find an overly long post that’s completely off topic? nevermind. i found one.
Now tell me where the delete button is.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:24 pm“oh the humanity, oh the stupidity, oh the hypocrisy”
LOL… Couldn’t have said it better myself, dear, and yet, you continue posting. Dear heart, what part of the word “illegal” are you having trouble understanding?
“This is getting embarrassing.”
Not for us, dear heart; we’re having a wonderful time laughing at your inanity.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:28 pm“There is no longer any credibility. It has to come from Gen. Petraeus.”
you mean this guy:
“MCINTYRE: There’s a big dispute, Paula, about whether the Pentagon is overstating the number of Iraqis that are truly combat ready.
But the general who’s in charge of the training, very respected general, General Petraeus, insists that 100,000 is the right number out of 164,000 in Iraq.
And the bottom line, the Pentagon says, is that Iraqi forces are actually fighting and dying in greater numbers in some cases than the U.S. forces. Just yesterday, 2,000 Iraqi troops took part in a major operation to retake Samarra from insurgents. And the Pentagon says the equipment is getting better all the time. ”
that’s from october 2004, over 2 1/2 years ago. that’s a long time to carry water.
[http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/01/pzn.01.html]
May 9th, 2007 at 8:28 pmSomething stinks about this. Smells like Rove. And if it smells like Rove, it’s politics, nothing more. As in, please help us save our seats in 2008.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:28 pmNow tell me where the delete button is.
Comment by Merlin
…or the “Ignore”
:)
May 9th, 2007 at 8:28 pm“Bush has taken one years worth of vacation..”
That’s out of date. As of April of this year, it was over 400 days of vacation.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:29 pmRove is making phone calls tonight…..Swiftboating of those 11 Republicans will begin tomorrow morning.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:31 pmPoor Tim. It’s all he can do to hold his GOP feces in. It’s just the rats and you now Timmy.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:31 pmPaulB,
Where can we find that info?
Thanks.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:32 pm#59 Comment by Badger — May 9, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
Even our Vice president must realize that the surge is no miraculous cure for the Iraq Problem…and that time is running out.
He isn’t looking for one. And it isn’t time he is concerned with. The wheels are coming off the BushCo express and he wants to stick his finger in the dyke. “Get back in line you Iraqis. we have more trouble at home than we can deal with now.”
That Cheney is doing this threatening, increases the smell of desperation BushCo is giving off.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:32 pmBack when republicans had a spine, they would have sent two Senators to tell him to resign. Now, they plead with their king.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:34 pmComment by Valiantthehater
Data mining is common in the business world…it just a reporting system on steroids… Companies however dont make laws, they cant change the U.S. Constitution, they dont control the U.S. Military, they dont control the FBI, CIA, nor law enforcement.
Do you look at the world through a prism?
May 9th, 2007 at 8:35 pmfor what it is worth… as I read this article, I was hit with a strong vision of a white building with a dome…. and, Sampson-like the pillars were pulled out from underneath the dome and it went crashing down….
May 9th, 2007 at 8:36 pmNow that , was one for the history books!
May 9th, 2007 at 8:38 pmFrom this article:
And in this article:
I’m not aware of any site that’s tracking this on a daily or weekly basis. And Bush has, in fact, cut back on his vacations a bit, since he was being criticized so much for them.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:38 pmWow. It’s almost like they’re acting like members of a co-equal branch of government.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:38 pm“Companies however dont make laws, they cant change the U.S. Constitution, they dont control the U.S. Military, they dont control the FBI, CIA, nor law enforcement.”
They also don’t do it illegally or unconstitutionally, a concept our dear little friend apparently has trouble understanding.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:39 pm“Do you look at the world through a prism?”
Nah, blinders.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:40 pmComment by kvb — May 9, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
“Poor Tim. It’s all he can do to hold his GOP feces in. It’s just the rats and you now Timmy.”
What a visual! And dead on the snark…er mark
Candidate for Best Post of the Thread!
May 9th, 2007 at 8:41 pmen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopath
“[Sociopathy /] Antisocial personality disorder (abbreviated APD or ASPD) is a psychiatric diagnosis in the DSM-IV-TR recognizable by the disordered individual’s disregard for social rules and norms, impulsive behavior, and indifference to the rights and feelings of others.”
Sound like anyone you know?
May 9th, 2007 at 8:42 pmHave some “Sympathy For The Devil”
Please allow me to introduce myself
I’m a man of wealth and taste
I’ve been around for a long, long year
Stolen many a man’s soul and faith
And I was ’round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game
I stuck around St. Petersberg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the Czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain
I rode a tank
Held a general’s rank
When the Blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
What’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the Gods they made
I shouted out
“Who killed the Kennedys?”
When after all
It was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I’m a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadors
Who get killed before they reached Bombay
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what’s confusing you
Is just the nature of my game
Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners Saints
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
‘Cause I’m in need of some restraint
So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I’ll lay your soul to waste, um yeah
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
But what’s puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, um baby, get down
Woo, who
Oh yeah, get on down
Oh yeah
Oh yeah!
The Rolling Stones
May 9th, 2007 at 8:48 pmRussert is a White House stooge, as proven by the Plame affair and the lead up to the Iraq War. He was their “go-to guy” for getting their message out. Having said that, this is likely an attempt by Republicans to make it look like THEY get credit for ending the war. It also looks like Bush would NEVER back down to Democrats, but if his own party needed his help, he’d be there for them. Notice all the mentions of “honesty” to make Bush and Republicans look good. It also makes it look like Bush is doing this for his Republican base, so they don’t end up with a Democratic President in ‘08.
Sounds like a planted story because BuchCo finally realizes Iraq is lost. How else would Russert know the details of what was discussed? BushCo knows it was only a matter of time before Democrats de-funded the war anyways, so this is their pre-emptive strike to try to steal the credit from Dems.
I smell Karl Rove all over this, but ending the war by any means is still positive.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:49 pm#81 Comment by Nemo Domi — May 9, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
“Sound like anyone you know?”
Gee, there are so many! Do I have to pick just one?
May 9th, 2007 at 8:49 pmCan anyone answer who the 11 republican members were? It would tell us a lot about the strength.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:53 pmThe Cat
#72 Spudge_Boy
..[Back when Republicans had a spine,they would have sent two Senators to tell him to resign. Now they plead with their king].
I agree with you, in 1974 Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater,Republican minority leader in the Senat, went to the White House with other GOP Senators and told Richard Nixon to resign because they are not going to support him in the Senate….
May 9th, 2007 at 8:54 pmTwo days later Nixon resigned,and it was all over for Nixon Presidency.
Garbage PR Stunt
Smart money is on the quote, “I don’t want to pass this off to another president. I don’t want to pass this off”, being nothing more than putting empty PR. No wonder the White House thinls Russert’s their best venue. Big Russ aught to slap his stinking kid around for the trash he’s putting our there.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:57 pmNeither Russert nor Williams had the balls to say that George Bush has taken many vacations while our sons and daughters spilled their blood in Iraq on his behalf.
May 9th, 2007 at 8:59 pm#83 Comment by FreeTheUSA — May 9, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
Well said.
“I smell Karl Rove all over this…”
Yep. So do I. Still Plan A in action. Cheney trying to shore up the Iraqi gov’t, meanwhile “back at the ranch” the boys were having a little photo-op get together.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:00 pmIf those 11 sheeple had a brain they would not let Rove use them like this. They are “berating” Bush!!!? My ass they are. Actors all, they are. What a stench they make.
You are right, Edward. Anything this president says must be turned 180 degrees to get the truth. It is his absolute intent to run out the clock while our troops die, just to be able to pass this along to a Democratic administration. Impeach this bastard!
May 9th, 2007 at 9:01 pmSound like anyone you know?
Comment by Nemo Domi — May 9, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
Here’s another one for you…
Authoritarian Personality:
Those persons who admire fascist ideologies, according to the theory, distinguish themselves through their unconventional, prejudice-laden view of social and political relationships. From this background in their personal history arose the assumption that the emergence of certain phenomena such as anti-Semitism and ethnocentrism stands in close connection with this particular personality structure. Because fascistic groupings get support essentially from the right-conservative camp (although that does not suggest that the right-conservative camp invariably lends these groupings such support) parts of the conservative outlook are likewise judged as an expression of this personality structure. As an instrument to measure this outlook, the AS-scale (for “anti-Semitism”) the E-scale (for “Ethnocentrism”) and the PEC-Scale (for “political-economic conservatism”) are used.
Sound like anyone you know?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_personality
May 9th, 2007 at 9:03 pmAs much as I’d like to see two strong-spined Senators go to Bush and tell him it’s over, I can guarantee that he wouldn’t leave on his own. That’s not how this pbunch operates (see Abu Gonzo or War-fowitz for two recent examples). They don’t give a shit about anyone, not the RePukes who blindly support his every move nor the other 72%. I can only hope Karma is a truly a bitch.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:10 pmThey(GOP) can’t take credit for any of this. He shot his own foot off when he vetoed the bill. The people spoke out to the Democratic led Congress and they listened to the people and held republicans feet to the fire.
The republicans felt the heat and had to go tell Commander Guy (You know? The one that just embarrassed himself and the country he represents at the state dinner for the Queen.) the truth. That they have no CREDIBILTY!… ON ANYTHING, ANYMORE! PERIOD!
Can you say Lame Duck?…. I knew you could.
Peace out FOOLS!!!!… The kind a-look only a mother can give a child.
Our child, the President
What an idiot!
May 9th, 2007 at 9:11 pmSo if these 11 turn, how close are we to overriding a chimp-Veto? Even though they are GOPers maybe they’ve caught on to the idea that we’re trying to save lives here. American lives that are being wasted daily in Bush’s Folly.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:13 pmYeah, They all know the game is lost. Everything they do from here on out is to save the repuklican party in 2008. It’s all about “next time”. They know that their dream of domination will be pushed back a generation, if they lose big in the next election.
They are already planning to patiently rebuild as they did when Clinton stopped their progress in ‘92. Out of those years, ‘92 to ‘00 came PNAC, shock and awe, and much more entrenched and powerful right wing think tanks. They will be out of office in ‘08 with nothing to do but cause trouble and plan.
You know, Like Tenet and Feith both teaching at Georgetown University now. And this is the beginning. It should be remembered that the current cabal came from the the philosophy taught by Strauss at the University of Chicago back in the 60s.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:17 pmWhat the f*ck was Tim Russert doing in the middle of this?
Tim Russert has had his lips surgically attached to Bush’s ass from day one.
This is some sort of propaganda bullshit. That is all Russert knows.
He is not a journalist, he is a mouthpiece.
jack jett
May 9th, 2007 at 9:26 pmAs stated above, no Congressman went to Russert–some high ranking person in the Administration called Fat Timmeh and told him to take out his steno pad and write the meme that was/and has/ become “Breaking News” on NBC and their other megaphones, MSNBC etc.
I have such contempt for Russert because had he pushed real hard 4 years ago, we would not have the number of troops dead in Iraq. Colbert was right when he called the press corps stenos–they have no curiosity and they wouldn’t know the truth if it bit them in the arse.
The Republican party is so corrupt and I don’t care what anyone says, this is their war and they either are without conscience or we would have been out of their a long time ago.
Elect as many democrats next year and continue to let the “adults” run the show, because the GOP has proven that they are incompetent and corrupt. Their mantra (as well as the press corps) is party before country/
May 9th, 2007 at 9:27 pm#91 Comment by Namtillaku — May 9, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
“Authoritarian_personality”
George Lakof says this about the repuklican viewpoint with simpler words. The strict father model vs the nuturing parent model. Repuklican vs Democrat.
Very visual and very powerful.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:30 pmI believe alot more people are starting to contact there congresmen. And they (GOP) are starting to feel the heat. They don’t want to lose there jobs. He can’t keep being OPPOSITE GEORGE ( Seinfeld reference ) to what the people obviously want . 60% is not a fringe element.
They would try and spin it their way anyhow. He blew it with the veto.
Support the troops, support the troops, blah blah… VETO the funding…. Stupid stubborn dumbass move. And his excuses were even better. The earmarks and timelines. They were passing earmarks like they were going out of style. And they were all talking about benchmarks…. Oh but thats a failure benchmark. You can only talk out your ass so long and even the American public start to smell the Bullshit. He’s Done!
May 9th, 2007 at 9:34 pmNow, they can get down to impeachingHim and his criminal assed Administration!
I don’t believe a word of this shit from the GOP congressmen. They all made their decision a long time ago to go over the cliff with their king, George. I think it’s just PR, again, just like everything else with these GOP asses….
May 9th, 2007 at 9:34 pmGeorge Lakof says this about the repuklican viewpoint with simpler words. The strict father model vs the nuturing parent model. Repuklican vs Democrat.
Very visual and very powerful.
Comment by Merlin — May 9, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
Thanks for that. I’ve been pondering this difference lately, not being able to quite put a finger on what the difference is, but this clarifies it nicely.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:38 pmIsn’t Russert a kind of potato?
May 9th, 2007 at 9:39 pmThey will not go over the cliff with him… They are still politicians. I’m not saying that GW his gonna back down, the dude don’t like losing.
The party is more important on both sides. When Clintons shit hit the fan they bailed on him too.
It is a good sign that the crack is getting bigger and bigger the house is starting to fracture and the Dems will start to pick up more votes.
See what happens when they challenge his next veto if they can override then You’ll know.
They should throw that same bill at him again right now!
Just pray its not another six months. I’m so tires of hearing that…
May 9th, 2007 at 9:45 pmHey, GOP -
Um,
WE TOLD YOU SO.
-
May 9th, 2007 at 9:47 pmTim Russert is the one with no credibility. Russert has been the Republican Party mouthpiece every night. Unless given a press release from the Whitehouse, Russert doesn’t have any “news” to report.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:49 pmSSSHHH, you republican ingrates!
May 9th, 2007 at 9:49 pmDon’t tell him shit, and watch the nation elect a democratic president, Senate, House, governorships, state legislature and dogcatchers in 2008.
russert has no credibility either
May 9th, 2007 at 9:54 pmAnd…we’re supposed to take Petraeus at his word??? Well…let’s just remember what happens to Generals that speak their mind. Remember a General by the name of Shinsecki? You can bet that Petraeus has been told how to respond when the time comes. Hopefully he is a true patriot and man of honor. If he is he will tell the truth and he won’t give a damn what the President says.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:55 pm# 101 Comment by Namtillaku — May 9, 2007 @ 9:38 pm
“Thanks for that. I’ve been pondering this difference lately, not being able to quite put a finger on what the difference is, but this clarifies it nicely.”
In case you aren’t familiar with Lakoff, he is a general consultant to the Dem party. He has written a bunch of books. The best known is “don’t think of an elephant!,” (2004) (The title is actually in all lower case.). It was written to help change the framing of issues for the ‘04 election. It is a fantastic little tome which will really put into strong clarity what is going on and why, politically. The sub title of the book is: The Essential Guide for Progressives. And it really is that.
I wish all progressives would read it. He combines philosophy with psychology and politics and comes out with a real direction to go in.
He also wrote “Moral Politics” How Liberals and Conservatives Think. More of a text and not as fun as the afore mentioned one.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:57 pmHaven’t read the entire thread so this may have been mentioned, but Tim Russert is privy to verbatim quotes that took place in a GOP-only meeting w/ President Doofus? Wasn’t it also revealed recently (during the Plame case IIRC) that the Office of the VP considered Russert theit go-to guy when they needed to push a particular set of talking points? Not that I’m questioning that this meeting took place, but the reportage smacks of marketing and propaganda.
The American public really needs to understand that Russert is a whore.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:58 pmThis story now surfacing by Russert needs a follow up and good checking.
May 9th, 2007 at 9:59 pmRussert was the ‘go to’ man by Cheney to air a story to the public.
This is huge news! Who would have thought that Rove would sell out Bush, before Bush would sell out Rove?
May 9th, 2007 at 10:02 pmHaven’t read all your post’s, sorry..To tired from all the chores today..
I think this is just another little skirmish, same with Mr Evil in Iraq..My money’s on nothing being done, just one more stall after another untill this basterd’s term is over or we use pitch fork’s and shovels to dig them out of the now black house…I will be pleasently suprised if he sign’s any bill’s with time line’s and or get’s our troop’s out….Bull shit bush is an arrogant ass and sociopathic drunk, druggie, theres no dealing with that sort except to arrest, try and seize his asset’s…Blessings
May 9th, 2007 at 10:12 pmThis may be a little off topic but my nephew, a Marine lieutenant with 2 tours of duty, a Purple Heart in Iraq, bravery commendations and out of the Marines for one year, is being called back for another 15 month tour. He is just starting to get his life back together suffering from back problems (he is so fortunate in comparison to other returning vets) and has been recalled. What this has done to our family is beyond description. His parents, while very supportive of this administration, have been through more than anyone can imagine, however, not more than those who are in Walter Reed or who have not made it, and now they have to endure this stress again. This is outrageous!!! What can we do??
May 9th, 2007 at 10:13 pm#112 Comment by HeckuvahJob Brownie — May 9, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
“This is huge news! Who would have thought that Rove would sell out Bush, before Bush would sell out Rove?”
Heh
But it is really all part of “Plan A.” It is the Corporation Party that must be saved. The Puppet in Chief can fall on the sword if need be to keep the party viable in 2008. If Rove is failing in his job, he is also expendable. The Party Uber Alles. Ya! Mein Fuhrer!
May 9th, 2007 at 10:14 pm“RUSSERT: One congressman said, “How can our sons and daughters spill their blood while the Iraqi government goes on vacation?†The president responded, “The vice president is over there to tell them, do not go on vacation.—
Cheney went to Iraq to tell its puppet gov’t, “Don’t go on vacation”? He doesn’t have a phone!?
He doesn’t have emai—er, nevermind.
May 9th, 2007 at 10:31 pm“And…we’re supposed to take Petraeus at his word??? Well…let’s just remember what happens to Generals that speak their mind. Remember a General by the name of Shinsecki? You can bet that Petraeus has been told how to respond when the time comes. Hopefully he is a true patriot and man of honor. If he is he will tell the truth and he won’t give a damn what the President says.
“Comment by Ray II — May 9, 2007″
Yeah, but: that’s all true, but Bush*t listens to the commanders on the ground, but Congress doesn’t.
That’s why he quotes the conclusion of US military experts: that the US cannot win the Iraq war militarily.
Or was I dreaming when I heard him say that?
May 9th, 2007 at 10:37 pmBush doesn’t want to pass this to a Democratic president — yeah, Bushie, tell me another one.
May 9th, 2007 at 10:40 pmAnd to hear the only reported reply to them was “Cheney is going there to tell them not to take a vacation” is not altogether encouraging that he got the message and will indeed change course.
#112 Comment by HeckuvahJob Brownie — May 9, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
That’s just a riot. ~:-0PPP
May 9th, 2007 at 10:42 pmThis is outrageous!!! What can we do??
Comment by pman@ol.com — May 9, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
You can start by not supporting the current administration!!!
May 9th, 2007 at 10:43 pmHmm,
May 9th, 2007 at 10:45 pmRussert was given the leak because…..?
They have used him before?
He is so willing to get a scoop, he doesn’t question anything?
Just finished reading all the posts. Great points everyone. Funny how so many people came in, without even seeing what others had said, and immediately saw through this report.
You are all right, how would Russert have known what was spoken about behind closed doors in a private GOP meeting like this? And he just happens to be a total shill for the administration, and their “go-to guy” for getting their message out? The whole story seems like a plant to make it look like (to his base) that Bush is only pulling out of Iraq to avoid a Democratic President in ‘08, and for the good of his party, instead of from any pressure from those “weak” Democrats, who “honest” Bush would never back down to.
I’m glad so many people are skeptical about what they hear in the media these days. That gives me heart about the direction of the country as a whole.
May 9th, 2007 at 10:48 pmI have to laugh at all of the rationalization expressed here at this late date. Look at all the money being made by those involved over the past four years. 80% of foolish americanasas wanted this war. As one who served during three major wars ending in 1964 what was your interest in that the nation BETRAYED 432,000 of us after we had serve faithfully on the low draft-era pay and non-existent allowances? Medicare did not even exist when I retired. Now I pay for my wife of over 59 years health care and my self after being BETRAYED on our retired pay back in 1964. Do I feel sorry for the panty waists in Walter Reed and else where who may have served two or three years at the most and claim to be neglected in Walter Reed?
Have a good day with a deceitful and thankless nation. wdgray@shawneelink.net
May 9th, 2007 at 10:48 pm#114 Comment by pman@ol.com — May 9, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
“This may be a little off topic”
Your story along with the many unheralded stories of our brave men and women will never be off topic here as far as I am concerned.
In feel deep hurt and anger for your situation and hope that he remains well.
“This is outrageous!!! What can we do??”
As far as a solution is concerned I have nothing immediate. I regret that impotance. We progs have yelled and screamed about the injustices this evil administration has perpetrated since 2000. And about the “war,” rather the invasion. we were loudly and strongly against it before Bush went in. Sadly, the American Public and the Congress bought in on the deception.
Your nephew has to make up his own mind about how he feels and what he plans to do. It is his personal decision in the end. All the rest of us can do, is support him in any way we can, as painful as that may be.
On another thread here the other day I said I would not go fight for a corrupt administration that was going to use me for cannonfodder. I would do what ever it would take to avoid going to war in Iraq. As a father I would counsel my children to do the same, and help them do that. If that meant fleeing the country, so be it!
I should mention that I served 2 years in the army and 3 in the National guard. I will serve and defend my country in just wars, but not this illegal, unjust occupation for the frurthurance of Pax Americana. Our troops should be pulled out NOW! All bases should be turned over to the Iraqis along with the entire Green Zone. Then after the mess quiets down and they restore order we can ask them if they would like us to help rebuild their devistated nation.
Frankly we have no right to be there and we should just pack up and leave. And go back for another “tour”? Not a chance.
I wish your nephew health and safety, and you and your family have my empathy. My two brothers fought in World War II. I understand.
Comment by pman@ol.com — May 9, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
May 9th, 2007 at 10:48 pmI like Tim Russert, but the Democrats in Congress also took a vacation instead of getting the emergency spending bill out of conference committee. Why didn’t he point that fact out?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:04 pmI completely agree with those posters who have said that this is a political stunt by the republicans. They will put pressure of the Iraqis to trim back the vacation to one month and then the White House and the republicans in Congress will tout this reduction as a tremendous achievement and as evidence that the surge is giving the political process time to work and that it is working.
Bush doesn’t give a damn about how Iraq affects the rest of the republican party, the people or America, and the more pressure people put on him the more he will resist because he is the “decider” and the “commander guy.” And I don’t believe that most of the republican officeholders give a damn about the people or America, they are only concerned now because they realize that they are going to go down with the ship.
Switching topics for a moment, if Bush vetoes the 2 month funding bill, then send him a one month funding bill. And if the republicans want to argue about how you can’t budget and run a war on a two months at a time budget, the democratic leadership should spend the money to get on the air, prime time, and explain to the american public that we wouldn’t be facing this budgeting nonsense but for the fact that Bush and the republican congress never wanted to put the war in the regular budget.
I think the democratic leadership should be more forceful in taking the argument directly to the people.
Howard Appel
May 9th, 2007 at 11:20 pmI like Tim Russert,
Comment by Jake — May 9, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
Ouch! That’s gotta hurt, Tim!
May 9th, 2007 at 11:26 pmBush just will not listen. Not now. Not ever. Why can’t people learn this?
May 9th, 2007 at 11:29 pm#125 Jake, because it is a lie. That is why it didn’t hit the press.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:29 pmLike rats off a sinking ship.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:35 pm11 republicans take on Bush over Iraq, but not because of all the American troops who have been killed or who have been wounded in Iraq but because these 11 republicans are worried about not getting re-elected in the next election. Nice.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:43 pmJoke – the bill was on Chimpy’s desk – it was his decision….. sorry to disappoint
May 9th, 2007 at 11:46 pmPetraeus. Do you not have the balls to tell it like it is man ? We are funding both sides of this war !! And with oil destined to stay above $60 and probably soon $100, we are destined to have one hell of a blooby summer. Why ? Billions, you freekin kook, are being spent to beat us – and it is our money !!! What ? Huh ? We go to the gas pump and it end up buying a very sophisticated roadside bomb from the Chechs, the Chinese, the Russions, the Germans. Ya see ya damned idiots ? Slap. Meanwhile you’ve got a Paris Hilton/Briattany Spears obsessed society and 35 years olds with three children marching off to battle for what, 2 years ? Wow, we are friggin losing it.
May 9th, 2007 at 11:49 pmAsk not, for which country you should vacation.
Ask instead, which vacation you should take for your country.
- Tom
May 9th, 2007 at 11:58 pmAre people suggesting Bush pull a Lyndon Johnson and dump this on his successor?
How very much like a Democrat.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:04 amm12, Bush has already said he will. If it is so “Democratic” why aren’t you criticizing him? Oh, that is right. You don’t have a mind of your own.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:19 amNotice the timing of the meeting: The 11 reps show up at the WH when Cheney is out of town!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:22 am#136
When did he say that? You missed this quote here?
The president responded, “I don’t want to pass this off to another president. I don’t want to pass this off, particularly, to a Democratic president,â€
May 10th, 2007 at 12:28 amputin compares us with 3rd reich
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/10/world/europe/10russia.html?ex=1179374400&en=7ba489b2458dc591&ei=5065&partner=MYWAY
May 10th, 2007 at 12:31 amWell, m12, I guess that would be a flip-flop from when he said it would be the job of his successor to bring home the troops. You ok with that, hypocrite?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:37 amIf you have a problem with the old Google, here it is m12.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/21/politics/main1425182.shtml
May 10th, 2007 at 12:38 am#140
Depends on what he was referring to.
Iraq is Bush’s responsibility to finish before the end of his term.
The next President, however, will likely have to destroy Ahmadinejad and the rest of the Iranian lunatics before they can obtain weapons of mass destruction.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:40 amm12, fricking buy a clue. Bush said he will let his successor clean up his mess IN IRAQ. You ok with that?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:52 amConsidering you need to absorb the talking points, I will wait awhile, m12.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:54 amFor the record, Congress recessed after passing the last spending bill and Pelosi didn’t even appoint conference members until she returned from her vacation (treason) in Syria. The final bill was not “on his desk” until the very day he vetoed it for being an unconstitutional enfringement on war powers of the Commander-in-Chief.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:54 amGood luck with JPark, m12, that one is crazy.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:55 amCOMMENT # 46 from amberglow: “I want to know who spilled the beans on this one? Was it Karl and why should be believe this meeting took place the way they said it. Yup–Russert is this administration’s most willing and useful idiot. This smells.”
Amberglow, I think there were two or three reasons for this. First we got to hear that the selected White House resident say, “I don’t want to pass this off, particularly, to a Democratic president.†That’s so pregnant with implications that I suspect Rove wrote it.
Second it makes the Republicans seem like they are not ignoring the will of the American people.
And finally, I think it’s a smoke screen. Nixon’s smoke screen was a “secret plan” to end the Vietnam war. Then he bombed the crap out of a neighboring country TOO! The anti-war movement stepped up their efforts and so the government, in an effort to chill them, shot and killed a half dozen of ‘em in a couple locations.
Mark my words my fellow peepz: Dubya WILL bomb Iran soon and a number of those who protest WILL be killed.
America will never, ever, be free again unless this administration is thrown out. There would be few things as worthwhile to die for.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:53 amGood luck with JPark, m12, that one is crazy.
Comment by Jake — May 10, 2007 @ 12:55 am
Lunatics like you always think everyone else is crazy…
May 10th, 2007 at 2:03 amFor the record, Congress recessed after passing the last spending bill and Pelosi didn’t even appoint conference members until she returned from her vacation (treason) in Syria. Comment by Jake — May 10, 2007 @ 12:54 am
When you have Ronuld RayGun committing real treason, and Gingrich going to Taiwan and nearly causing a war with China – ironic you’d call *others* treasonous. Project much – son?
The final bill was not “on his desk†until the very day he vetoed it for being an unconstitutional enfringement on war powers of the Commander-in-Chief. Comment by Jake — May 10, 2007 @ 12:54 am
AH, you’re such an unamerican NAZI. See Bush isn’t *king*, he’s *president*, and Congress gets to “balance” those powers. Congress is Article “1″ (as the most important) of the Constitution. They set the budget – and the “give” and therefore can “takeaway” those war powers – junior. You’re such a st*pid little terrorist piece of sh*t.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:05 amAre people suggesting Bush pull a Lyndon Johnson and dump this on his successor?
How very much like a Democrat.
Comment by m12 — May 10, 2007 @ 12:04 am
Well when you’re as incompetent as Bush – what choice do you have? Waco child?
May 10th, 2007 at 2:07 amMedia report=extend Iraq war=sucker Dems
May 10th, 2007 at 2:08 am“Iraq is Bush’s responsibility to finish before the end of his term.”
LOL… There are two problems with this: the first is that it cannot be “finished” before the end of his term and the second is that Bush has already said he’s passing it on to the next president. Maybe you should have a word with him.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:51 am“Why didn’t he point that fact out?”
Oh, probably because it was only important to idiots like you. To the rest of the country, who knew that Bush was lying about how the delay was going to hurt the troops, it wasn’t a big deal, particularly when the delay was used to begin the process of reconciling the House version with the Senate version.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:54 amTim Russert is the one with no credibility. Russert has been the Republican Party mouthpiece every night. Unless given a press release from the Whitehouse, Russert doesn’t have any “news†to report.
Comment by kerplunk — May 9, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
This is worth re-posting. Russert is their press whore. This is not a ‘leak’. It is a well-planned announcement. I like the spin that this will show that Republicans are indeed taking charge on this important subject. Yes, it makes Bush look a little bad but they understand he’s a lame duck. It’s got Rove written all over it.
May 10th, 2007 at 3:09 amRather than being it a sign the Administration is under fire from within its own ranks, I can’t help but think this meeting (and the subsequent leak about what was said at the meeting) was actually orchestrated by the White House (i.e. Rove). Seems like more theater to me. Ironically, the meeting may actually serve their purposes: It allows Republican Congressmen up for re-election to demonstrate their opposition to the war and ability to stand up to an unpopular Republican President, thereby hopefully appeasing their electorate and improving their chances for re-election. At the same time, it allows the President to reaffirm his commitment to end the war and that he is doing all he can to get the Iraqi government to get its act together. It also allows the President to imply that if we don’t “win” in Iraq, it won’t be our fault, it will be the fault of an irresponsible Iraqi legislature. All in all, I would think this meeting is likely to serve as a win-win both for Bush and the Republican congressman. Of course, the President’s statements are all purely empty, disingenuous rhetoric. But what else is new?
May 10th, 2007 at 3:25 amfinally, some sign of a step towards a new course of action and honesty.
First step to realizing a problem is admitting it. it may take another 5 to fix it.
May 10th, 2007 at 3:37 amVictory = a shia islamic iraq that democractically transforms into an islamic theocracy…thats what shakey jake, valiant megan thepenus,and assorted scumbaggers would have us beleive…
May 10th, 2007 at 3:51 am>It was pointed out at the time of the NYT’s revelations
>that data-mining was quite common in everyday
> business and marketing.
Valiantherpes, jake, whoever you are, once again your idiocy knows no bounds… the acceptability and legitimacy of data-mining is not a black or white issue. A threshold question is “is the data being mined constitutionally or statutorily prohibited from search or seizure.” Now, I’m going to take a shot in the dark and make a wager that the data being mined by the NYT isnt the same sort of stuff being mined by the whitehaus, the latter which has already been ruled by a federal judge to be either statutorily or constitionally protected. To make an analogy your weak, flaghumping mind can understand, lets say that your argument is the logical equivalent of the Virginia Tech shooter calling a someone who condemns him a hipocrite because that person uses a gun to skeet shoot. So datamining = firing a gun. Without more information, you can’t say any whether the act is positive, negative, or neutral…
May 10th, 2007 at 4:01 amTwo guilty of trying to leak details of Blair’s talks with Bush
Keogh, who copied the document to O’Connor while he was working in the Cabinet Office, said that he acted out of conscience because he believed the document showed Mr Bush to be a “madman”.
http://www.independent.co.uk/
May 10th, 2007 at 4:40 am> The final bill was not “on his desk†until the very day
> he vetoed it for
> being an unconstitutional enfringement on war powers
Oh so now your a lawyer too jake?
Congress has the power of the purse, and can make spending contingent on certain things occuring. Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution provides that “the Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States”; they are providing for the common defence by making sure we have an army left to defend us from REAL threats, not smelly guys in beards whose absolute worst infliction of casualities didnt amount to those of a months worth of deaths on american highways.
Oh, and by the way, jake, presicent bush went on vacation too, why didnt you mention that? the difference between the iraqi parliment and the american congress is that the american congress doesnt have benchmarks to meet before bush can declare victory. Im sure “victory”, whatever that means, will somehow involve our troops dying less. So in short, our troops are dying for 2 extra months so that they can go on vacation for 2 months. Conversely, the army has the funds it needs from congress until waaaay after congress was back in session, and a bill that reflected the will of the american people, as evidenced by both polls and the 2006 elections, was put on bushivas desk, which he promptly vetoed, which he did so the hands of the generals (who kept thier jobs by agreeing with him) wouldnt be tied. Do any of these things make any sense of you jake-@ss ?
May 10th, 2007 at 5:20 amlol, i LOVE watching waaahhhpublican scum quiver in fear of losing their jobs in the house and senate due to the fact they blindly supported a human turd for the past two terms in the presidency. you reap what you sow, now squeal like the pigs you are
May 10th, 2007 at 6:29 amWhat is most amazing to me is that these Republicans could possibly believe that they will get frank, candid answers out of ANYONE in this administration! I mean, who ARE these people? They need to be seized by their constituents and surrounded in bubble wrap, the poor delusional things. What a laugh!
May 10th, 2007 at 6:53 amWith the caca hitting the fan and spraying stench all over this administration, I’m waiting for some sort of “terrorist” attack. That thing in NJ was bs just like the guys in Miami. But don’t put it past these guys to do something big soon to put the fear back into the sheep.
May 10th, 2007 at 7:11 amPresident Bush is said to have assured the government of Saudi Arabia that the US will not withdraw from Iraq in his presidency, according to a little-noticed remark in a column in Wednesday’s Washington Post.
Nothing will change. They will keep moving the deadline. In January, they said we need to see results by June. Now it’s the fall. When fall rolls around it will be spring. It has always been, give us 6 more months.
May 10th, 2007 at 7:35 amCandor? They can’t handle candor.
What we need is for the troops to come home this year. Bozohead in the White House wants to dump the war off on his replacement, which he should not be allowed to do.
May 10th, 2007 at 7:54 amThe rats are abandoning the sinking ship. I don’t give a flying f@ck if 50 Republicans speak to the “Commander guy” they need to put up or shut up. Unless they and some Senate Republicans start voting against the death..I mean war spending effort they’ve still got a first class ticket to hell. But no matter what they do they’re still not going to keep their offices, whatever chromosomes their missing has ensured 8 to 12 years that the Dems will stay in office trying to clean up their mess.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:55 amthese guys are as much worried about the ‘08 elections as they are about the devastating effect of Iraq on America… still, they’ve got the right idea – lean on the president…
May 10th, 2007 at 9:08 amIMNSHO, this is all kabuki. The “moderate” Republicans and the Blue Dogs are working together, under the radar.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:55 amIt’s politics as usual, these whores are just playing the game. The key point of the discussion was “You have until fall”. So it is dutifully reported that the Repugnicunts are taking this Iraq thing seriously, they are in tune with and listening to their constituents, but what they are really doing is buying time.
In September, they will float some glimmer of good news, some pocket in Iraq that hasn’t been bombed in the last three months and say “See! The surge is working, just give it six more months! We are winning! If you quit now, you didn’t give the strategy a chance”.
The rolling six months. Until the traitor’s term ends and he slinks off to South America like his grandpa’s heros of old.
And there are the sycophantic whores, the trolls, who will trade soldier’s lives for Bush’s frail ego. Sick, twisted f*cks.
May 10th, 2007 at 10:24 amNanlichi, I think you’re spot on in your assessment of all this and where it’s heading.
It wasn’t burning when I laid down on it.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:13 amHow can our daughters and sons spill their blood while President Bush goes on vacation?
Bush has been setting vacation records while our countrymen die in that hellhole!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:37 pmThere is absolutely no credibility to be found in anything George W. Bush says, and no reasoning behind his reluctance to just end the mess he has gotten us into in Iraq… besides the profit he and Cheney are getting from the vast mountain of contracts and political favors… he doesn’t care about the death of our children, he doesn’t care that they cannot understand why they are even there.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:26 pmAmazing how it’s “remarkable for the bluntness and no-holds-barred honesty in the message delivered by all these Republican congressmen.†when it’s conservatives losing their districts; but when it’s progressives telling the truth, they’re damn liars and traitors. When are we just going to start drowning the bastards?
May 10th, 2007 at 1:46 pmWhere is the surge working? Mars, Jupiter, Saturn or URANUS, Bush!
Certainly not on this planet!
May 10th, 2007 at 2:00 pmToo little to late. With Iraq ‘broken’, we wil retain some sort of responsibility there for years to come. And like all our other debacles, it will most likely end back where it started, only worse for the wear. The real (and not percieved consequences) of this failure both at home and abroad will take a few decades more to manifest. Unfortunately there are still goofballs like mccain that don’t realize consequences take time to seep in. Completely lost diplomatic credibility, diminished military, debt and our own fracturing are just a few things we are only seeing the ‘tip of the iceberg of’.
To think that the guy responsible for breaking it has any hope of fixing it deserves a special page in the DSM, right next to psychotic delusions.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:03 pmCall your Congressman and ask him or her what he or she is doing to bring this debacle to a swift conclusion. Capitol switchboard: 1-800-828-0498
May 10th, 2007 at 2:14 pm05/05/10/2007 a.d.;stop the whole damned war right now!
May 10th, 2007 at 2:41 pm“Bush doesn’t want to pass this to a Democratic president”.
I believe this is an accurate statement. Bush (in his dilusion) wants to pass this off to a Republican president.
If the new Commander-Guy is a Democrat, the troops may be re-deployed back to the WoT in Afghanistan, and may actually pursue finding OBL (or his body), and neuter the regathered Taliban power-base.
The Bush family patrons (the Saudis) will need pressure to prosecute and dismantle Wahabi propagandist schools as well.
Iraq will secure its own oil according to it’s self-interests. Guess the global oil corporations may face the possibility of being detached from the Iraqi oil teat and have to accept less of the profit-sharing.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:46 pmThere has never been any credibility. That came to an end when the president assumed dictatorial power and scoffed both national and international laws to preemptively invade a nation with false and doctored intelligence. Then came the justifications to torture, to kidnap via the extreme rendition program and remove the writ of habeas corpus. After illegal domestic spying, rolling back thirty years of environmental protections, making us the greatest debtor state in history with the largest trade deficits ever enabled in the history of mankind, where did he have any credibility in the first place?
May 10th, 2007 at 2:54 pmThis is the same person who said “we will not quit on my watch.” Do you really expect anybody to believe that he does not want to pass this self created Iraq war off to another president? Is he flip-flopping are just playing politics?
May 10th, 2007 at 3:38 pmWhy is it that these evil republicans can get away with these crimes? Why is it that two thousand evil men can buffalo the whole USA for six years and get away with it. Are Americans turnned into wimps, cowards and idiots.Sure seems that way .
May 10th, 2007 at 4:40 pmYeah credibility of General Patraeus, also known to troops as General Betray-US? That guy?
May 10th, 2007 at 9:32 pmthis war has gone on long enough and too many of our soldiers are getting killed.It is time to end it
May 11th, 2007 at 2:12 amWhy is it that these evil republicans can get away with these crimes? Because up until the last election there has been no Congressional oversight of the Administration’s policies and actions. With no oversight, you can get away with murder. The Republican majorities in both houses were complicit with whatever the Administration wanted. The sad thing is how willing the Republican legislators were to sell out any sense of personal integrity or ethics to not buck the Administration. Fortunately, the electorate finally got fed up and changed the balance of power in 2006. Unfortunately, so much damage has already been done— and is still being done. But better late than never.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:37 amDo all of you really believe the crap you are spewing? Honestly… Under Bush there have been 0 terroritst attacks on US soil, the stock market is at an all time high, unemployment is down, and all this only 6 years after 9-11!!!!!
May 11th, 2007 at 11:21 pmThat is a remarkable achievment. Clinton had plenty of oppertunities to stop 9-11 but he refused to take out Bin Laden, even when the Saudi’s offered him to us(and yes by that time Bin Laden was responsible for the ‘93 WTC bombing and the USS COLE bombing, which killed 17 sailors, a clear act of war) Yet Clinton did NOTHING, which only encouraged Bin Laden, and led to 9-11.
As for Iraq, keep in mind CLINTON said that a regime change was needed in Iraq. And that several key democratic senators(including kerry and HR Clinton) voted for the war.
During Clinton we had 3 terrorist attack on US Soil, ‘93 WTC, ‘96 Atlanta olympics, and Oklahoma City. Add in the USS COLE, Kobar towers, US Embasssies in Africa, and Clinton had a long list of ignoring threats. Not to mention his love for the terrorist Yasser Arafat, the father of the modern suicide bomber.
Had Clinton acted better in office when it came to dealing with foreign threats our country would be a better place.
Bush has done one hell of a job with the mess Clinton left him.
LEAVING IRAQ IS THE SAME AS SURRENDER.
If we leave Iraq prematurely the war WILL NOT BE OVER. the battle ground will have shifted to wherever the Terrorists want to fight it. I for one, as a member of the Armed Forces would rather fight in Iraq, then in Florida or New York, or Texas, or Washington, etc….
We need to stay however long it takes. No matter the cost. We sign up to fight for our country, we signed up to die if necesary, and the Iraq war is Neccesary. it keeps America safe. Why can’t you realize that? We were at war long before Bush came into office, we’ve been at war for decades, just no on realized it. Bush did. and he acted accordingly. and his actions have yielded results in the War on Terror.
May 11th, 2007 at 11:30 pmLegistlation requiring a specific pull out date is a big white flag to the enemies, and it says “Hey just hold out 2 more months and the americans will run with their tail between their legs” Is that the impression you want?
May 11th, 2007 at 11:32 pmSo sad–the chimp and the organ grinder will maintain their rule (post 2008) through corporate power and aristocracy. Dems and Reps collectively make the The Sopranos look like Will & Grace. No third party will ever penetrate the ignorance of mainstream America.
Get over it. It has and will always be this way–until the end. Now give me the secret illuminati hand shake and sign off.
May 12th, 2007 at 12:01 amIt is absurd to state leaving Iraq is the same as surrender. The definition of surrender is “to yield (something) to the possession or power of another.” But when we leave Iraq, what are we yielding to the possession of power of someone else? What do we have possession or power of in Iraq in the first place? Nothing. It is impossible to surrender nothing to someone else.
Saying we need to stay however long it takes presumes our strategy (or any strategy) is one that has a chance of succeeding if we just hang in there long enough. But what if the underlying premise of our war policy is completely flawed? In such a case, just staying in the fight will not eventually guarantee success. Pursuing a flawed premise is a recipe for failure no matter how ardently we pursue the premise.
The fact we haven’t had another 9/11 is not necessarily due to Bush’s policies. But even if it was, I don’t see how that fact justifies his failed and disastrous war policy in Iraq, nor justifies him remaining in office. Bush is not the only one who can keep us safe. And there is little argument that we are less secure now than before we invaded Iraq. Iraq was not even involved in 9/11.
I don’t think the impression we may give the enemy should be the primary determinant of our course of action in Iraq. What we decide to do should be based on the right and rationale course of action. You can’t always help or control the impression others get from doing the right thing, but one should not persist in a disastrous course just because you’re concerned about the impression it would make to change course.
May 12th, 2007 at 2:41 amMern
You’ve defined surrender. Please define, “win”?
Everyone shared your passion for this, back in the day. We’re dealing with a new set of facts now. Generals, soldiers, democrats, republicans, citizens, ad nauseam have said it’s time to come home. Your guy declared mission accomplished long ago. It’s over. Stop wasting those people and being wasted by them.
Indeed, we’ve kicked the shit out of every Country that walked or crawled at one time or another. Then we came home. You’ll have to settle with our still occupying roughly 150 of total 200 Countries on Earth. Is that not fair?
May 12th, 2007 at 3:28 amBush should learn a lesson from Ron Reagan (and
I don’t mean ‘drop dead’). He should pack it up
and then bring in the USS New Jersey to sit off shore
from Iraq and lob Volkswagen sized shells at the
Iraqis.
mern @ 185
Rope a dope.
mern, bin Laden has your number.
May 12th, 2007 at 6:54 amDeano,
you said the iraq war has nothing to do with terrorism in the US, you couldnt be more wrong. Iraq is the war on terror, while Al-Qaeda is focusing it’s resources into Iraq, they arent attack the US. If we pull out of Iraq it will the fighting for a little bit, but the fighting WILL resume, and the enemy will be more determined than ever, because they have already beaten the USA. If we leave Iraq we have lost this battle in the war, and the problem is the next battle wont be on the battlfield that we choose, it will be on US soil.
Look at Israel and Gaza/ Lebanon for instance, Israel pulled out of Gaza in the name of peace, and yet within months of that Gaza became a terrorist haven. Same with lebanon after BOTH wars in Lebanon. Running SOLVES NOTHING.
We did not start this war, they did. and they wont stop until every last one of us, and that includes you, are dead. The Arabs HATE us. with a fiery passion, because that is what they are taught from the time they are in pre-school. And it started long before Bush came into office. You can back to the Iranian hostage crisis, and even further.
May 13th, 2007 at 4:02 amMern
I did not say the Iraq war has nothing to do with terrorism. I said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Before we invaded Iraq, Iraq was not a haven for terrorists nor a terrorist threat. The terrorists (al Qaeda) swarmed to Iraq after we invaded; they were drawn to our military presence there. If the war in Iraq has become the “central front on the war on terror”, we have played a major role in making it so.
If you mean this war started when we were attacked on 9/11, then Iraq definitely did not start this war. Al Qaeda did. But al Qaeda was not in Iraq before we invaded; we did not invade Iraq to fight al Qaeda. It was only after we invaded that al Qaeda joined the fight there. To justify our invasion of Iraq because we are now fighting al Qaeda is absurd and irresponsible.
There are some major problems with the argument that we need to fight them over there so that they don’t follow us over here. For one, that argument means we can never cease our military operations over there, for if we do, they will follow us over here. We must forever keep fighting them over there, for the moment we pull out, we’ll be fighting them in our own backyard. How could we ever justify leaving Iraq with that type of rational?
Another problem with that argument is that implies the terrorists (al Qaeda) are not already over here. Just because there has not been another 9/11 does not prove the terrorists are not in our country.
Rather than continue to make an endless payment of our precious blood and treasure to satisfy the ludicrous goal of “keeping them over there”, we need to develop the ability and confidence to defend ourselves on our own soil if and when they decide to attack us over here.
You claim leaving Iraq (”running”) does not solve anything. I beg to differ. It solves a huge problem of spending billions of dollars a month and sacrificing countless more American lives in a war we cannot “win.” We cannot win in Iraq because winning does not mean defeating the terrorists. Winning in Iraq (according to the President) means the Iraqi government and military being ready and able to take care of itself. We have little to no control over that process. It is ultimately a political outcome, not a military outcome, that defines “winning” in Iraq.
May 13th, 2007 at 1:49 pmMern:
The arguments the Administration puts forth for remaining in Iraq are circular and irrational, for several reasons.
The President asserts we need to “win” in Iraq. But in the past the President has acknowledged we cannot really “win” this type of war; that there won’t be a surrender ceremony on a battle ship.
The President has stated we will leave Iraq as soon as Iraq is ready to defend and protect itself. He also acknowledges our goal is not to defeat the terrorists, but to achieve an “acceptable level of violence” in Iraq. But he also argues that we need to fight the terrorists “over there” so that they do not follow us “over here.”
Well, if our goal is not to defeat the terrorists, but to keep them over there so that they do not follow us over here, it will not make any difference whether or not Iraq is ready to take care of itself. We couldn’t leave even then, for then the terrorists would “follow us over here.”
We can’t have it both ways. Either we are there to help the Iraq government get to a point it can govern and protect itself (with an “acceptable” level of violence), or we are there to keep the terrorists from following us over here. The former goal could theoretically have a time when that would occur. But the latter goal requires us to engage indefinitely with the terrorists in Iraq. To use both these arguments as justifications for staying in Iraq assures we will never, ever leave Iraq.
May 13th, 2007 at 2:24 pmFinally, to argue we must fight them over there so that they do not follow us over here implies we are not ready or able to fight them over here, so we better keep them over there. Do those arguing this reason for staying in Iraq really believe we are unable to deal with an attack or threat of attack on our soil? Are you proposing Homeland Security done nothing to make us any safer from attack?
To argue we must fight them over there so that they do not follow us over here also implies that the terrorists would immediately start doing the same things on our soil that they are doing daily in Iraq. But one of the reasons the terrorists (al Qaeda) is channeling in Iraq is that it is so much easier to enter the country, organize and mount offensives against our military in an unstable and poorly organized Iraq than it is on American soil.
May 13th, 2007 at 2:40 pmFor the record, I was against this war from the start and voted for Nader. If Americans vote (especially in the primaries), for any candidate in 2008 who supported this war, they will have to take responsibility for the continuation of lies and ruin the rest of us have been living with.
May 14th, 2007 at 1:08 amI get upset that politicians are waxing nostalgig all the time about Thomas Jefferson… like he is some guiding light. He set the stage for all the other idiots in congress and gave them power to control an out of touch executive branch. They willingly gave it all up post 9-11. We have to have people in congress stop bs’ing about Jefferson this, and Jefferson that and someone needs to step up and start doing something Jeffersonian.
The difference between Jefferson and the rest of the schmucks now in congress is that TJ was passionate about this country and its ideals, and would die for them. None of the goofballs we’ve elected now think being in congress is more than a stepping stone to a book deal.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:13 amThe 11 republicans that went to talk to Bush did not berate him. They went in to see him so he could tell them what they need to do.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:44 pmRon Paul is the ONLY GOP candidate who has won the debates by a landslide. Fox News played dirty during the last debate, and Ron Paul still kicked some a@@. Ron Paul is concerned about out freedom, constitutional rights and knows that there were no weapons of mass distruction. He is the only chance we have. He is against the illegal immigrants and the dirty politics. Fox news should be boycotted for what took place during the 2nd round of debates.
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