J.C. Watts compares abortion to slavery.
Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani has said that he is personally opposed to abortion, but still supports a woman’s right to choose. Today, CNN political contributor J.C. Watts criticized Giuliani’s position, stating, “That’s the same as saying, I’m personally opposed to slavery, but if somebody else wants to own slaves, it’s okay.” Watch it:
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When JC Watts speaks, I bet he hears an echo.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:02 pmGo ahead, Watts. Have at it. Take your most popular guy down! Great job!
May 10th, 2007 at 8:04 pmWhat the pluck???? Jeeze oh peeze…!!! How can you compare slavery with abortion? And then say, well I’m personally opposed to slavery, but its okay if someone else isn’t. Its absoluely bizzare. Abortion cannot be compared to slavery in any shape, form or fashion. There are many people, myself included who are opposed to abortion, but support a woman’s right to make that decision. I can’t enforce my views on someone else. The only thing I can do is make sure that the woman who is making that decision has the best information available and that she will make an informed decision. What she decides to do is ultimately between her and whatever God she worships.
Lawd, I’m so over the abortion debate. As if that is the only issue that we need to be concerned about.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:06 pmIs JC Watts a “Republican Strategist? Maybe he can share the strategy of getting at one Republican elected to ANY position in 2008. The GOP is circling the drain wishing and hoping for an America who gives a shit about Iraq.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:06 pmJC, I don’t think the public is going to take your silly analogy very seriously.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:07 pmBig Tent philosophy at work right there.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:14 pmSpoken like a true, psycho republican.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:17 pmJC Watts = Oreo Repuke
He’s probably pals with Ken Blackwell, who disenfranchised 300 thousand of his fellow black Ohioans
May 10th, 2007 at 8:17 pmPoor JC DeLay and the other riech wingers in the House treated him like a porch slave back when he was the whip. Handed him the title of whip with none of the power. Nothing but a token but he is always back to do their bidding.
Is pathetisad a word?
May 10th, 2007 at 8:18 pmDidn’t ThinkProgress term the “Oreo” remark to be a slur sometime ago? Not accusing anybody here.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:21 pmWell, I never!
JC is definitely off the short list for my next gala dress-up ball.
That ru-u-ude man!!
May 10th, 2007 at 8:23 pmDidn’t ThinkProgress term the “Oreo†remark to be a slur sometime ago? Not accusing anybody here.
Comment by Joe
Yes, you are.
Commenters may have condemned the term, but TP has taken no poistion I’m aware of.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:25 pmI always though Oreo was a Nabisco cookie.
Is it racist to sat a black Repuke sold out his fellow blacks?
If it is, I apologize.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:26 pmWell, it’s sort of like Nuking Israel. I wouldn’t do it, but if someone else wants to, well that’s just fine.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:27 pmIf JC is an Oreo, I want to lick his creamy filling.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:28 pmsay, not sat
May 10th, 2007 at 8:32 pmHe has a point.
If there’s one thing Giuliani is stating with his mixed stance on abortion, its his spinelessness. He can neither stand up to his party or his public.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:32 pmTom, your fine, nothing to worry about.
And Zooey,
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/16/beck-oreo/
May 10th, 2007 at 8:33 pmI’ve heard this argument before. He’s trying to say that abortion is a moral wrong, just like slavery is. So therefore you can’t oppose it, and say its ok for other people to do it.
I don’t buy it - but it’s not that wacko of an argument.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:34 pmI don’t think the former Rep. should be linking abortion to slavery, however.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:35 pm…and JC KNOWS slavery…
…being a whorely owned propagandist major domo…
…of the TREASONOUS criminal Bushite junta…
May 10th, 2007 at 8:37 pmJ.C. was a better wishbone quarteback than he is a right-winger. He could run like the wind, but now he’s just a windbag.
The slavery analogy is consistant with Bush’s Dread Scott reference. It seems they’re trying to say that a fetus is not owned by the mother. It’s just weird that the same people who say they want less government want that government controlling private decisions.
If life begins at conception, is everybody about nine months older than we say? In that case, is there no significance of the day of your birth? Should “When were you born?” be “When were you conceived?”
May 10th, 2007 at 8:44 pmComment by Joe — May 10, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
Now I’m aware.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:44 pmI am personally against abortion. My wife and I have faced this years ago, however, I don’t force my personal views on other people. It’s a personal decision.
I saw JC do this live. Wolf asked him again to give him a chance to correct his statement. He said the exact same thing over again. They ran out of time and Paul couldn’t respond.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:46 pmI don’t have a problem with that analogy. If women don’t have rights over their own bodies, isn’t that the same things as being “owned” by another?
May 10th, 2007 at 8:53 pmhe’s a black republican, you know what that means. he is deeply disturbed. much like gonzo, he appears to want to trade anything for whiteness. starting with their own people.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:54 pmYup, we got the racist liberals here, sliming a conservative black man for his political views.
I don’t have a problem with abortion, personally. It’s mostly poorer leftwinged women who use the procedure. Liberals are gleefully aborting themselves out of existence.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:58 pmOkay, I’m here at work after closing to catch up on much needed paper work. I quickly scan my favorite site, and happen upon this particular thread.
And all I got to say is…
Where’s St.Daryll when we need him???
(I know this isn’t about man a man gluteus maximus sex, but still…)
Don’t tell me he’s already in Rio, scoping out those sinful, thong wearing booties.
Put horn rimmed glasses on J.C. Watts, and that’s how I picture our 2 second Daryll (a married Urchle, if you will)
Oh well, it’s back to the books for moi.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:59 pmPlay nice, everyone!
Yep…Yep…
I wondered how long it would take to pull out the token NEGRO!!!
That UNCLE TOM lucked up into his race. He has NO STANDING or CREDIBILITY in the African American community.
So, maybe he can go back to his day job and leave the history top those who appreciate the fact that (although REPUBLICANS may have freed the slaves) it is the same party that seeks to enslave us all by restricting and eliminating our freedoms!!!
May 10th, 2007 at 9:08 pmI don’t have a problem with abortion, personally. It’s mostly poorer leftwinged women who use the procedure. Liberals are gleefully aborting themselves out of existence.
Comment by m12
Prove it.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:10 pmBluePuP - I like Rudy’s stance on Islamofacism - but I think the Repub nominee will be Fred Thompson. (And wobbly “pro-choice”politicians who claim to be practicing Catholics should be ex-communicated. It’s not like they didn’t know the rules going in. There are plenty of “liberal” Protestant religions they can join who are “pro-choice”.) Ask PatrioticLiberalChristian…..
May 10th, 2007 at 9:11 pmm-12 - The unliberal liberals can’t stand to see a black man leave the Progressive plantation……
May 10th, 2007 at 9:12 pm#26
I don’t have any direct proof. I’m assuming you are pro-choice; why would you want it?
But here’s a link for you; you can see blue state vs red state totals.
http://www.guttmacher.org/statecenter/sfaa.html
May 10th, 2007 at 9:19 pmI personally don’t like sky diving but if somebody else wants to do it….. I personally don’t like smoking and drinking…. I personally don’t like… Boy, I guess if I don’t like something no one else should be allowed to either, or I am for slavery? This self-loathing Uncle Tom ought to be called on his race baiting of the abortion issue.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:20 pmAnd as for those concerned with racist liberals; racism is not something that conservatives are and liberals are not, it is pervasive throughout our society and in each of us, as is demonstrated in JC’s remarks. He race bates the issue for effect paying no mind to the implicit racism his statements evoke. I know this is a little over the heads of some who have left comments above, but then there is hope for them if they are reading Raw Story, even cement is porous.
Usng the phrase Uncle Tom and whining about race baiting?
Priceless!
Liberals are so threatened by black conservatives for some reason.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:29 pm“J.C. Watts compares abortion to slavery”
is the end of that sentence “which is one of the reasons why he’s a former congressman”?
May 10th, 2007 at 9:35 pmWouldn’t forcing a woman to bear a child that she doesn’t want or cannot support would be akin to slavery.
How many slave women were forced to bear the children of their masters?
May 10th, 2007 at 9:46 pmm-12 - The most obnoxious self-righteous “progressives” are often the most bigoted. I present Tom3 as evidence……
How Democratic of TP not to take a stance on the liberal term “Oreo”!!
May 10th, 2007 at 9:49 pmAbortion isn’t slavery - PREGNANCY is slavery!
May 10th, 2007 at 9:50 pmValiantvenus- Yup, that is nothing new.
Just look at Clarence Thomas.
May 10th, 2007 at 9:51 pmm-12 - “look at Clarence Thomas” or Michael Steele,Shelby Steel, Walter Williams Larry Elder, Bill Cosby, etc……Of course, TP missed Pope Benedict using the slavery/abortion today, referencing Mexico City pro-choice politicos.
Pssst….using Planned Parenthoods’ other arm Guttmacher was very well done.
Dear Miss Skeptic - Please tell me you have NO children - or that you’re sterile…..
Tooodles………………….
May 10th, 2007 at 10:00 pmIf anything, forced gestation is akin to slavery.
Define “personhood” as beginning with conception, and a woman is forced to care for a person 24/7 for 36 weeks, in some cases against her will. The 13th Amendment prohibits involuntary servitude. Therefore any statutory provision defining “personhood” as beginning at conception and prohibiting abortion runs afoul of the Constitution!
May 10th, 2007 at 10:09 pmHey, vv,
once again, is this you?
http://profile.myspace.com/ index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=79943506
And did you really help someone cheat in college?
May 10th, 2007 at 10:12 pmIf anything, forced gestation is akin to slavery.
Define “personhood†as beginning with conception, and a woman is forced to care for a person 24/7 for 36 weeks, in some cases against her will.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Don’t forget the 18-24 years of raising those unwanted children.
May 10th, 2007 at 10:15 pmBlack (social) conservative = self-hating al Ceerackakkka wannabe…
…who’s too stupid to realize…
…that his white conservative counterparts…
…will let him/her carry the rope…
…with which he/she is to be lynched…
May 10th, 2007 at 10:20 pmNo, he did not compare abortion to slavery. He made a comparison of logic. A is to B as C is to D. He never said A is like C. Sweet cheeses, isn’t anyone willing to think critically anymore?
May 10th, 2007 at 10:30 pmOne of the reasons I take great pride that I am a Republican is because I know that the Republican Party was borne of a movement that believed all innocent life was precious and that all innocent human beings are entitled to liberty and dignity .., Let us remember, folks — the first Republican president of the United States is the greatest president in American history: Abraham Lincoln.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:01 pmExcrement (#43)…
…spewing excrement…
May 10th, 2007 at 11:05 pmI compare J.C. Watts to the Iranian Mullahs.
If you want to understand a comparison to slavery, follow a rape victim down the path to having a baby not of her choice.
If you want to understand slavery, watch a woman whose life depends on her baby being removed to be refused to live because “partial birth” abortion is gory.
I don’t like abortion either, but I know too many women who have had to have them to save their own lives, including my sister, who had tubal pregnancies (and by the way she doesn’t believe in abortion either).
Practice some proper preventative education for God’s sakes, but don’t enslave part of the population in order to free the others. Maybe we can get the unwed pregnancy and abortions reduced to such small numbers that this is no longer the derisive issue separating Catholics from their other natural alliegances.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:14 pmI don’t like abortion either, but it’s really none of my business what goes on between a woman and her doctor, is it?
Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:20 pmOne of the reasons I take great pride that I am a Republican is because I know that the Republican Party was borne of a movement that believed all innocent life was precious and that all innocent human beings are entitled to liberty and dignity .., Let us remember, folks — the first Republican president of the United States is the greatest president in American history: Abraham Lincoln.
Comment by Exley — May 10, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
Unless you’re an innocent Iraqi, then you Republicans could care less. What a bunch of hypocrites.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:27 pm“One of the reasons I take great pride that I am a Republican is because I know that the Republican Party was borne of a movement that believed all innocent life was precious and that all innocent human beings are entitled to liberty and dignity ..” Exley
And pay no attention to the republicans’ “southern strategy,” that repudiated the liberal Lincoln’s principled service . . .
May 10th, 2007 at 11:29 pm“One of the reasons I take great pride that I am a Republican is because I know that the Republican Party was borne of a movement that believed all innocent life was precious and that all innocent human beings are entitled to liberty and dignity ..,”
But giving women the right to vote? Ehh, not so important.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:39 pmLet us remember, folks — the first Republican president of the United States is the greatest president in American history: Abraham Lincoln.
Comment by Exley
Lincoln would be ashamed of the Republican party today.
Why aren’t you?
May 10th, 2007 at 11:42 pmWhy has this era become the era of creating worn and misaligned comparisons. History shows that the people that favored slavery favored it because they had money in it, not that the same isn’t true with some parties in abortion, besides the fact that it was a practice that had endured for many years. All in all though this comparison has become pretty weak, I mean you could compare any situation where morality is in question to slavery, because of the fact that it is a question of morality.
Besides that ragged comparison though is the comparison that is made in regards to a world leader when they show even the remotest bit of egocentric, or ethnocentric, arrogance that also possesses a very militaristic idealism and is subsequently compared to Hitler. Like Saddam Hussein, Hussein is not anywhere close to Hitler’s level. yeah Saddam killed a lot of people but, not on Hitler’s scale.
All in all I wish they could find better and more accurate and pliable comparisons than the old cliches of decades past, because they are not effective and such as in this case seems to try to ply people out of credibility by saying for the most part that if you are pro choice you are all for slavery.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:43 pmWHAAAAAA? You gotta be kidding me? Another idiot opens mouth. They just won’t stop will they?
May 11th, 2007 at 12:04 amAs LBJ once said of Jerry Ford: J.C.’s played way too many football games without his helmet.
May 11th, 2007 at 12:27 amI may be personally oppose to shooting a babykilling abortionist dead, but who am I to force my moral beliefs on another?
May 11th, 2007 at 12:39 amExlax said:
One of the reasons I take great pride that I am a Republican is because I know that the Republican Party was borne of a movement that believed all innocent life was precious and that all innocent human beings are entitled to liberty and dignity .., Let us remember, folks — the first Republican president of the United States is the greatest president in American history: Abraham Lincoln.
Comment by Exley — May 10, 2007 @ 11:01 pm
A non-able to exist outside of the womb clump o’ cells, or even a fetus, that cannot exist outside of the womb is NOT A HUMAN.
Friggin’ DUH!
No matter how eloquent the quote from 140 years ago, it still does not change a thing.
Taking all the money out of slavery, the real difference is that slavery dealt with humans who COULD exist outside of the womb, and abortion does not. IF ANYTHING, not allowing abortion is like enslaving the mother to be a forced baby maker.
YOu are funny though Exlax.
May 11th, 2007 at 1:13 amBeing anti-abortion indirectly means being pro-welfare state.
Someone’s gotta pay for those babies and the extra cash to the welfare moms popping them out.
May 11th, 2007 at 1:57 amRev Donald Sh!tz, you are a hypocrital little b!tch.
May 11th, 2007 at 1:59 am#56 Being pro-life indirectly means being against poor people. Somebody has to pay for those poor people not having abortions. Retard.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:00 amI am surprised you are not pro-choice, m12. Your tax dollars would be safe then!!! Selfish twit.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:01 amYou righties don’t really give a crap what happens to kids after they are born. You are all for starving them to death because their parents can’t afford food. Pro-life, my a$$, you are anti-person. You people make me ill.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:07 amDenying a woman’s right to choose is slavery.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:33 amPerry, you took the words right out of my mouth.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:48 amPeople, let’s start calling it what it IS–
REPUBLICANS ARE ANTI-CHOICE. That’s it–start using their double-speak against them. Men arguing over this women’s issue makes me nuts. How about this–we give up our right to choose what goes on with OUR BODIES and OUR HEALTH, as soon as you do the same. Then, after we’ve had all of your kids we can stand, YOU have your little baby factories removed so that there is “compromise”–you know what “compromise” means, right?
It means that nobody’s happy.
There are more than enough rules and regulations in place for abortion. I don’t believe that women take joy in it as conservatives want you to believe. Women usually make an educated decision when it comes to their own bodies. These conservatives need to fish in some other pond and move on to more pressing issues AT ONCE. I’ve always felt odd with the male opinions on abortion. I’m not sure it’s with merit.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:08 amThere exactly nothing wrong with the comparison he made. He didnt compare abortion to slavery. He compared the logic that Guliani was using to that the some Conferate members and now confederate apologizers used/are using.
May 11th, 2007 at 9:35 ammuch like gonzo, he appears to want to trade anything for whiteness. starting with their own people.
Comment by oldtree — May 10, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
Why would he want to do that. Are you suggesting it is somehow better to be white? I’m quite certain neither he nor Gonzalez has ever expressed a desire to be white.
May 11th, 2007 at 9:43 amJC Watts is correct!!!!
Abortion supporters, just like slave owner did, claim that the baby inside the mother’s womb is not a human being. In fact, much like the Nazis claimed that Jews were not human beings.
Humans when they want to rationalized the extermination of a group of humans they have always dehumanized that group.
May 11th, 2007 at 9:47 ammuch like gonzo, he appears to want to trade anything for whiteness. starting with their own people.
Comment by oldtree — May 10, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
typical Liberal drivel against minorities that can actually think for themselves and are not Democrats.
Liberals claim to hate racism, except of course when it comes to Liberals spewing racist remarks against conservative minorities.
May 11th, 2007 at 9:48 amA non-able to exist outside of the womb clump o’ cells, or even a fetus, that cannot exist outside of the womb is NOT A HUMAN.
Comment by Wretched Refuse — May 11, 2007 @ 1:13 am
If a baby is born early and lives for 2 hours before dying, was the baby human for a little while or was it never human at all? If you inject something into a woman to cause the death of her unborn child before it is viable, are you guilty of any crime other than, possibly, simple assault since you didn’t harm the woman? Is it a crime whether she wanted the baby or not?
May 11th, 2007 at 9:52 am1) Does it look like JC is having a plastic surgery contest with Michael Jackson? Maybe it’s my monitor…
2) My body, my choice. Plain and simple. Who gave a MAN, one I don’t even know, the right to tell me what I can and cannot do with MY body?
3) I was a Republican, back in the late 80’s. Then Papa Bush came and showed me the error of my ways. Thanks to the Bushes for something!
May 11th, 2007 at 10:07 amInteresting mixed metaphor by Mr. Watt. When 50 % plus 1 primary child caregivers in the home are men; i.e. when women are not enslaved by men to this task, the issue of abortion will be something men have a right to pontificate about. Until then, its like the old South saying we need slave labor and “Negroes” as beings of lesser importance are the ones to do the job.
I have no problem with prolife advocates questioning when human life begins. I believe for most that the issue for those who advocate the prolife agenda really is protecting the innocent. However, to overlook the history-long enslavement of women to the work of child care, to call abortion the same thing as slavery, is to once again demonstrate that the conservative world view constantly projects its own shortcomings upon those with whom they disagree.
May 11th, 2007 at 10:14 amWho gave a MAN, one I don’t even know, the right to tell me what I can and cannot do with MY body?
Comment by Proud Dem — May 11, 2007 @ 10:07 am
Just who was it that made taking a human life a crime? And I guess you have to blame God or evolution for making your sex the ones to have children.
May 11th, 2007 at 10:16 amHowever, to overlook the history-long enslavement of women to the work of child care, to call abortion the same thing as slavery, is to once again demonstrate that the conservative world view constantly projects its own shortcomings upon those with whom they disagree.
Comment by CitizenE — May 11, 2007 @ 10:14 am
Most men have the ability to be decent fathers if they choose to, but, with a few exceptions they don’t make very good mothers. A man can take exceptional care of a child, but he give can’t be a mother and, try as you might, you can’t change the fact that kids get different things from mothers and fathers. The way for a woman to keep from doing all the drudge work in a family is to not marry a neanderthal, whether conservative or liberal.
May 11th, 2007 at 10:24 amOne of the best parts came from before thae start of the clip.
(from CNN transcript)
BLITZER: What do you think, J.C.?
WATTS: Well, Wolf, you know why I like John McCain and Rudy Giuliani? I don’t always agree with them on everything, but they don’t change their position because J.C. Watts disagrees with them.
I disagree with Rudy Giuliani on the life issue. And I think the rationale that he gives I disagree with even more, because that’s the same as saying, well, I’m personally opposed to slavery, but, if somebody else wants to own slaves, that’s fine. I think it’s the same rationale.
But the fact is, Rudy has not pandered to J.C. Watts to say, I want J.C.’s…
(CROSSTALK)
BLITZER: If he were the Republican nominee, could you vote for him?
WATTS: Well, Wolf, let me tell you why I think we — I agree with Paul.
I think we run the — the Republicans run the risk of having a third-party candidate that is pro-life. I think, if Republicans nominate a pro-choice candidate, I think we lose a whole lot of the brand that we have kind of built over the years of saying, we are the life party.
And why not vote for Senator Clinton, Barack Obama? That’s the question, or I think that’s the thing that creates a third-party candidate that is pro-life.
BLITZER: One quick clarification, because you’re going to get some criticism. The slavery comparison with abortion, explain what you meant.
WATTS: What I meant is to say that, while I’m personally opposed to abortion, but, if someone else wants to have an abortion, that’s fine.
So to JC abortion is immoral (or “wrong” like slavery to quote him directly) but in the same breath says he appreciates Rudy’s consistancy regarding his stance on abortion.
Isn’t that the same logic as saying that the Nazi’s views on racial purity are immoral but at least they don’t flip flop?
Sheesh, where do they get these clowns?
May 11th, 2007 at 10:54 am#39 - Braid Faire - No, that isn’t me - MySpace isn’t my kind of networking; but I wouldn’t mind being that young again if I could know what I know now! Just because you occasionally wear a skirt doesn’t mean I confuse you with William Wallace……
Re:Cheating in college - I turned a girl in for cheating in Law School…..the b*tch never spoke to me again - I was SO happy.
Toooodles…….
May 11th, 2007 at 11:24 amI don’t agree with J.C.’s position, but this argument has been made before. The ultimate question is whether it is acceptable for a majority to impose their values/will on a minority through legislation. Southerners made the argument that “if northerners don’t approve of slavery in the north, then don’t practice it. But, don’t impose your values on us in the South because we believe slavery is ok based on the bible, tradition, etc.” Northerners argued that slavery was an immoral institution and the North had the right to impose their values and end it. The pro-life crowd has adopted this line of argument by advancing the position that abortion is a moral wrong and those that oppose should have the right to end it, like slavery was ended.
May 11th, 2007 at 11:28 amSpeaking of alcohol as someone above did, there are dry counties where the majority imposes its will on the minority and prohibits the sale of alcohol.
Comment by monger — May 11, 2007 @ 10:54 am
Monger, do you have the link for the transcript?
May 11th, 2007 at 11:41 am#59
Scroll up and read the whole thread before spewing your insults. Post 24.
I don’t have a problem with abortions.
May 11th, 2007 at 12:20 pmEd, as requested.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/ TRANSCRIPTS/ 0705/ 10/ sitroom.01.html
Cheers,
May 11th, 2007 at 12:22 pmMonger
Abortion stops a beating heart.
May 11th, 2007 at 4:14 pm#78: So does open heart surgery.
May 13th, 2007 at 12:10 pmIve never heard more prejudice people in my life than the ones commenting on here….way to go you enlightened liberals
May 16th, 2007 at 11:48 amRepublicans have one thing right- the issue of Slavery is very similar to the issue of Abortion. In some subterranean, inexact way they know there is some link- even if they can’t verbalize it. The problem for “Pro-lifers” is that the comparison with slavery is one that makes the Pro-Choice argument.
Slavery is the use of another person’s body and effort to provide one’s own sustenance against that person’s will. It is the use of another person’s work without payment and in violation of that person’s wishes. It is the presumption of ownership of another’s body.
If a fetus is to be treated equally as an individual and the mother shall not have the right to abort, who is made the master and who the slave?
If a fetus were given legal rights as a person, it would be an abomination. It would be a “person” who could live parasitically on it’s mother’s body against her will.
Thank goodness for the concept of INDIVIDUAL rights- it grants right to a single being (the mother) that it does not grant to a “dividual” or dependant being (the potential child). It is to this concept that we should look if we want to untangle the abortion morass.
BTW- how can Republicans argue that the poor have no right to demand the wealth of the rich while still saying that the embryo does have the right to demand the blood of the mother? Both, in principle, are rightfully considered violations of property. The poor and the unborn take (by government edict) the wealth of one and the body of the other, violating the rights of the wealth-producer or the mother- each of whom should have ownership of thier bodies as well as to the products they create. If you’re anti-welfare you should be pro-choice and vice-versa. But this is the opposite of what we see today.
Thoughts?
May 18th, 2007 at 9:41 am“I personally don’t like murder, but if someone else wants to do it, that’s OK.” Does this make sense?
“I don’t force my personal views on other people” can only be taken so far before you need to say “THIS IS WRONG!” That time has long since passed.
JC speaks with clarity and conviction and need to be President!
May 19th, 2007 at 10:42 amOf course you can compare slavery and abortion. They both have one thing in common, they are both sins.
May 30th, 2007 at 12:21 pmnice false analogy. is he saying that if he personally believes one thing, he should impose his beliefs on everyone else? hmm. nice try.
June 24th, 2007 at 6:41 pm