LaHood: Bush ‘Surprised,’ ‘Sobered’ Over GOP Frustration About Iraq
LaHood: Bush ‘Surprised,’ ‘Sobered’ Over GOP Frustration About Iraq
This morning on CNN, Rep. Ray LaHood (R-IL) — one of 11 Republican members to have recently visited the White House and plead with President Bush to change course in Iraq — described the meeting as “unvarnished, about as frank and honest as I have ever been to at the White House.” Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA) told Bush at the meeting that the president’s approval rating was at 5 percent in one section of his northern Virginia district.
LaHood further added that Bush was taken aback by the concerns expressed by the congressional delegation. “He listened very carefully. I think he was a little — I don’t know if surprised is the right word, probably maybe sobered,” LaHood said. “The fact is that, I don’t know if he’s gotten that kind of opinion before in such a frank and no holds barred way but he was very sober about it and he listened very intently.” Watch it:
LaHood said the congressional delegation expressed concern about the political impact that Iraq is having on their congressional districts. “People are very war weary and that’s going to be reflected in peoples’ opinions, much stronger in the fall, I believe.”
But when asked how he would react to a “negative report” by Gen. David Petraeus in the fall, LaHood left open the possibility that he would continue to support the current course. “It depends on what Petraeus says. I mean if we are making some progress and we need to move ahead more aggressively — it will — for me, it’s going to depend on what he says in terms of where we’re at and what the way forward looks like in terms of success.”
JOHN ROBERTS: Ray Lahood, your fellow Congressmen Tom Davis said that this was a remarkable, very candid meeting. What words would you use to describe it?
REP. RAY LAHOOD (R) ILLINOIS: Unvarnished, about as frank and honest as I have ever been to at the White House. I’ve been to a lot of meetings, most of them on the war and members really told the president in I think the most unvarnished way that they possibly could that things have got to change, that we’re going to hang with him until September, but we need an honest assessment in September and that peoples’ patience is running very, very, very thin.
ROBERTS: So are you hearing that back from the congressional districts? Is this pressure being put on you by your constituents?
LAHOOD: There were 11 members there and I think each member expressed in a little different way, but the theme was the same — the American people are war fatigued. The American people want to know that there’s a way out. The American people want to know that we’re having success, either the government or our men and women who are doing the hard work. It’s not reflected on the television screens and it’s not reflected in the numbers, particularly as the surge begins. People are very war weary and that’s going to be reflected in peoples’ opinions, much stronger in the fall, I believe.
ROBERTS: Congressman Lahood, what was the president’s reaction to what you told him?
LAHOOD: He listened very carefully. I think he was a little — I don’t know if surprised is the right word, probably maybe sobered. The fact is that, I don’t know if he’s gotten that kind of opinion before in such a frank and no holds barred way but he was very sober about it and he listened very intently. Frankly, he wasn’t defensive. I think he appreciated the fact that people were willing to really open up and give it to him.
ROBERTS: Let me ask you this question, Congressman Lahood. There’s a possibility, of course, that this so-called surge works and General Petraeus reports back at the end of August or the beginning of September that things are getting better. But if he reports back that things are not better, what happens then? Does the bottom drop out of support for the president?
LAHOOD: I would think that the situation becomes very dicey. I think public opinion probably turns even worse than it is, even though some of us believe that it’s about as bad as it gets. But —
ROBERTS: But what about you? Could you continue to support him on the war if Petraeus comes back with a negative report?
LAHOOD: It depends on what Petraeus says. I mean if we are making some progress and we need to move ahead more aggressively — it will — for me, it’s going to depend on what he says in terms of where we’re at and what the way forward looks like in terms of success. The other part of it is people are very frustrated with the Maliki government. And people wonder whether Maliki can really get his act together and really pull off — make this government work. And part of the reason Cheney is over there is to make sure they don’t take two months off which is a great source of irritation for people.
ROBERTS: Congressman Lahood, we thank you very much for your time. We thank you for your candor with us, very much appreciate it sir.
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Yeah, sobered is the right word to describe this dry-drunk president.
May 10th, 2007 at 10:54 amAnother Repulsivescum smoke screen…
…Hey DUHmerikkka…
…now the Republicans are taking George Bush to task…
…see we’re not such lockstep Nazi Bush worshippers after all…
…(wink, wink, nod, nod)…
…Six years too late…
…don’t believe the hype…
…the Repulsivescum are stalling for time…
…while STEALING MORE MONEY!
May 10th, 2007 at 10:55 amI suspect his sober demeanor was reflective of thoughts similar to “et tu, Brute?”
May 10th, 2007 at 10:55 amSo these Congressmen spoke openly only when their seats in the Congress became in jeopardy.
All the lives of soldiers and Iraqi lost were not the main motive.
They are NOW scared that their party is going to lose big time next elections..!!!
May 10th, 2007 at 10:59 am“But when asked how he would react to a “negative report†by Gen. David Petraeus in the fall, LaHood left open the possibility that he would continue to support the current course.”
I did not find the follow-up question: What would Rep. LaHoods’ reaction be to an “improving report” in the fall? But LaHood correctly assumed no such question would be forthcoming, so he graciously provided the answer, “It depends on what Petraeus says. I mean if we are making some progress and we need to move ahead more aggressively — it will — for me, it’s going to depend on what he says in terms of where we’re at and what the way forward looks like in terms of success.â€
Of course, many Progs are NOT happy with the thought the situation could improve. (Wherever did the idea that Progs were happy, optimistic people begin?) Borrowing a quote from Golda Meier, I, for one , would like to see the Iraqi government and people decide they love their children more than they hate each other…..in that way we could bring our soldiers home.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:00 amAt least this is one Republican not comparing Iraq to sports, business, shopping or the Ku Klux Klan…
May 10th, 2007 at 11:01 amthe report on the today show about this story made me sick…
these gopers are worried about their coming elections…
that was the first and foremost problem in their minds -
political impact that Iraq is having on their congressional districts.
sickening…
out to the garden for me…
May 10th, 2007 at 11:01 amCan we just say “Boy in a Bubble” and move on ! Sobered is an understatement with somebody drunk with Power
May 10th, 2007 at 11:05 amIt’s politics as usual, these whores are just playing the game. The key point of the discussion was “You have until fallâ€. So it is dutifully reported that the Repugnicunts are taking this Iraq thing seriously, they are in tune with and listening to their constituents, but what they are really doing is buying time.
In September, they will float some glimmer of good news, some pocket in Iraq that hasn’t been bombed in the last three months and say “See! The surge is working, just give it six more months! We are winning! If you quit now, you didn’t give the strategy a chanceâ€.
The rolling six months. Until the traitor’s term ends and he slinks off to South America like his grandpa’s heros of old.
And there are the sycophantic whores, the trolls, who will trade soldier’s lives for Bush’s frail ego. Sick, twisted f*cks.
Psst… Valienttheshit eater…. there’s a little KKKarl dribble on your chin. No lower, to the left, ok, you got it. Swallow bitch!
May 10th, 2007 at 11:06 amBush will not change. Bush will not back down.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:06 ampresident’s approval rating was at 5 percent in one section of his northern Virginia district.
That was the highest
May 10th, 2007 at 11:06 amWe are supposed to believe that the serious “sober” Republicans are stepping up to Bush.
You know something those wacky moonbats have been doing for 7 years….
These clowns are getting religion because there is an election in the midst of their unpopular war.
Dinkweed nation.
-GSD
May 10th, 2007 at 11:06 amwell, at least we now know how to sober up the president
May 10th, 2007 at 11:08 amKaty,
That’s what will be the only thing that will move the gopers (like the term) to act. They are feeling the heat and don’t want to be forever tied to the mistake in the White House.
Venus can read it any way it wants. The walls are closing in.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:10 amIf naked self-interest is the only thing that motivates congresscritters like this, so be it. Whatever it takes to save lives.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:11 amwould like to see the Iraqi government and people decide they love their children more than they hate each other…..in that way we could bring our soldiers home.
Comment by valiant venus
Not while there’s still a profit to be made, and rapacious republicans to squeeze it out.
Hey MA, Blackwater isn’t going to be sited in Potrero, perhaps you could find them a site near your bunker?
May 10th, 2007 at 11:11 amKaty took the words right out of my mouth….jeesh….what are the priorties here anyway? Looks like they are torn between OIL(Bush) and Political survival (Legislators). People dieing, destruction of a country etc don’t seem to be factors in their minds? Are all Republicans “me firsters” devoid of love and even common sense?
May 10th, 2007 at 11:12 amValikunt,
If your husband was beating you for 7 years, and said things will get better if you just give him 6 more months would you? He has been telling you this for 3 years, yet every week, you lose another tooth, now you can’t see out of one eye, partial hearing loss from when he punched you in the ear… How long would you go on Ms Happy?
May 10th, 2007 at 11:12 amchimpy “sobered” ?!?!?!!?
LOL!
Hasn’t been a day of his stolen pResidency! This AWOL chimp was fraudulently promoted by the lying liars as a legit contender and then they stole the rest.
“sober” and “bush” don’t belong in the same sentence.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:13 amWarning. When we reach critical mass and even his own party starts to question him, there will be another convenient terrorist attack to get the sheeple back in line.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:13 amNanlicki – Long time no see!! Still unoriginally crude as ever! Seriously, I am concerned with the persistent pessimism which seems to overtaken the Progressive movement on a worldwide scale. Leftists and Muslims teaming up in France for a “hot time in the old town” – what’s with that?
Back on topic: American politicos are concerned about their re-election – PERIOD. Whether you discuss Ray LaHood or Hillary Clinton, both are willing to tailor their positions to appeal to their constituency.
Tooodles………..
May 10th, 2007 at 11:16 amBULLSH*T!!! They are trying to run out the clock. IMPEACH NOW!
May 10th, 2007 at 11:16 amComment by Can-O-Whoop-Ass
#18 – No offense – but your little story was one of the most stupid analogies I’ve ever read. Oh I forgot, many Progs view government as ‘Daddy” or “Spouse”……my apologies……….
May 10th, 2007 at 11:19 amyou know folks this is a little off subject but has anyone thought the way i have with the school shootings(va), another natural disaster wiping out an entire town, where in the hell is homeland security. this is absolutely the biggest f. joke ever.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:19 amI don’t know if surprised is the right word, probably maybe sobered,†LaHood said
Thankfully someone has gotten the Chimp to sober up …at least once
May 10th, 2007 at 11:20 amSimply these Congressmen are telling Bush:”SUPPORT OUR SEATS”.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:20 amI just hope these 11 senators don’t get a surprise visit from “Ann Thrax”…
May 10th, 2007 at 11:21 amDry drubks cannot be sobered.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:23 am#20 I talked to 4 sailor’s this past week end on the QT..They had just returned..2 are done after serving 15 year’s they had planned to be lifer’s in service…They said since bush’ bull shit they felt like sitting duck’s in the gulf and also said they were more concerned they would be blown up by our own and then Iran would be blamed…Scary shit going on for our troop’s..Blessings
May 10th, 2007 at 11:24 am>I, for one , would like to see the Iraqi
> government and people decide they
> love their children more than they hate each other
even if they democractically decide they want to have an islamic theocracy that resembles iran, right? thats a goal worth our soldiers lives, right? to have a siamese twin for Iran? your ok with that right, as long as theres like, democracy and stuff? I just want you on record about whether Iraq democratically tranforming into a mirror or Iran is worth our soldiers dying for.
Oh, and are you esentially saying in your above quote that warriors with weapons are going to make iraqis love each other? is that what your saying? we’re going to kill our way to a more loving country? hahahaah.
hey ms…JAGHAG.. I know I keep asking, but you never answer…caN you please give us more information about what law school you went to , what a passing score on the bar exam is, the number of days the test took, etc.. im just dying to know your legal credentials….oh, and easy consitutional law questiuon.. do you know what sort of descriminiation receives intermediate scrutiny by the courts? and could you please describe the standard of review for questions of fact vs. questions of law…
May 10th, 2007 at 11:25 amI just hope these 11 senators don’t get a surprise visit from “Ann Thraxâ€â€¦
on second thought…maybe they should…
May 10th, 2007 at 11:26 amwhere in the hell is homeland security. this is absolutely the biggest f. joke ever. bs
Thank you! I was beginning to think I was the only one wondering where the Chertoff Chickenshits were.
Billion spent on DHS & they are invisible to Americans suffering from natural disasters.
WTF?
Micheal, are you still at home studying for the bird flu pandemic? If so,
how come we still don’t have a plan or vaccine?
Fly your sick white ass out of Washington & do something, man.
Worst President / Administration. Ever.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:30 amone was drunk, the rest urinated all over the floor in fear of their phony jobs and their fearless leader.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:30 amChimpy sober?
Now, THAT’S news.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:30 amThe next bill the president signs will include a signing statement to fire those 11 senators – I wouldn’t be surprised.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:31 amSorry forgot the rest of my story, the other 2 were younger and have been in for 6 year’s and they are bailing also….Gonna go and hug some tree’s..Blessings
May 10th, 2007 at 11:32 amThe only thing Bush understand is blind loyalty. That’s why Alberto Gonzales is still the Attorney General and that’s why Bush was puzzled as to why 11 republicans would tell him to “change the course.”
May 10th, 2007 at 11:32 amWhen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:33 amGood post Zimzone and all, you know ofcourse chicken shit chertoff is working for Israel, not us..Right.? I think so….Just like the att. gen work’s for the chimp not the people and his main job is to undo the constitution….Blessings
May 10th, 2007 at 11:36 amI am shocked by the outbreak of sobriety in what was the grand old party. It’s a step closer to the definition of the word conservative.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:39 amhttp://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=+conservative
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 11:00 am
Borrowing a quote from Golda Meier, I, for one , would like to see the Iraqi government and people decide they love their children more than they hate each other…
For once, I find myself in agreement with you.
I hate the war, I hate that it happened in the first place. Saddam was a terrible tyrant, no question, but it seems to me that the removal of Saddam opened a huge can of worms. Now we have a sectarian power-struggle and bloodbath situation, with no desire for compromise by the different groups.
I doubt the situation will be resolved in my lifetime. Although the news from Ireland is encouraging…
Regards.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:41 amAmerican politics: A two-headed monster
This so-called “confrontation” between Republicans and Bush is just bullshit political jockeying to back the president’s upcoming second veto of the war spending bill.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:44 amWhile telling the president that time is running out, they intend to remain in his fold…until September. Give me a frackin’ break! By the time September rolls around the U.S. will probably be involved in a war against Iran and the bullshit will begin another cycle.
American politics? Nothing more than a two-headed monster serving the masters, the plutocracy.
who would EVER think that people would jump ship? The problem is – these republicans aren’t morally sounds, they’re just being politicians, abandoning ship when things are getting real real bad. The only republican i know of that opposed the war from the outset was ron paul. the rest are as guilty as bush.
We need a whole new foreign policy in this country. warfare doesn’t bring peace. Some reading on this:
May 10th, 2007 at 11:46 am“Can America Bring Peace to the World?”
http://www.populistamerica.com/can_america_bring_peace_to_the_world
Dry drubks cannot be sobered.
Comment by Dharma
Dry as a martini.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:49 amthat Bush was surprised is in itself no surprise… remember, here’s a guy who tolerates no dissent… no opposing opinions, truth be damned…
his “surprise” also proves he is in a bubble, out of touch, as many have claimed…
May 10th, 2007 at 11:50 amBush has briefly come down from his ivory tower to speak to little people. Now, he’s shocked that their not celebrating his use of the peoples’ money for his personal and failed attempt to impose his short-sighted belief system on another country.
Bush was born of privilege and shall soon return to his world of isolation. Good riddance to the idiot-boy President.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:50 am#41 ~ I disagree with you. I think what we are seeing is the GOP trying to reconcile its identity crisis.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:51 amBack on topic: American politicos are concerned about their re-election – PERIOD. Whether you discuss Ray LaHood or Hillary Clinton, both are willing to tailor their positions to appeal to their constituency.
Comment by valiant venus
I cant believe you are sounding close to coherent.
Tooodles………..
May 10th, 2007 at 11:52 amwell, you tried.
LaHood got Bush’s sober, intently listening act; LaHood thinks he and the 10 others actually made a significant impression on His Travesty. That’s Bush. All show and no go. Ask him what exactly what LaHood was talking about and his reply will not convince anyone that he really knows.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:01 pmHas anyone read Cobra II? I wonder if valiant venus has. We are chasing opportunities that vanished 2 1/2 years ago. Lack of security and not enough soldiers on the ground compounded the errors made by Bremer’s team, the White House and the SecDef Rumsfeld.
It’s good money after bad and more deaths to come.
Bitter pill to swallow but nothing short of massive deployment will turn this around. The President hasn’t shown the courage to truly lead so it’s past the time to move beyond the President.
Hopefully more Republicans will see the futility and move in the direction the American people have already decided on.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:02 pmTheir unvarnished display of self-interest is SO refreshing. In the meantime, soldiers are killed and maimed. Way to support the troops, fellas!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:08 pmBush is a lying sack of crap and he doesn’t care what anyone thinks, what is good, what is bad, or what is right or wrong. Dubya is a miserable human being in the highest position in the free world.
The trolls and the apologists are guilty of treason for supporting this vile little man…this drunk in the White House.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:11 pmSeriously, I am concerned with the persistent pessimism which seems to overtaken the Progressive movement on a worldwide scale.
Comment by valiant anus — May 10, 2007 @ 11:16 am
Ah, Valiant Anus — Republicker apolgist turned concern troll. Thanks for your sincere concern at this time.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:16 pmValiant Venus: “would like to see the Iraqi government and people decide they love their children more than they hate each other…..in that way we could bring our soldiers home.”
My, my, how new age and liberal you sound today. Congratulations. That’s a fine sentiment. But you should know by now that religion teaches people to love god more than their children.
On another note, does the fact that 6 radical muslims tried to attack Fort Dix mean that conservatives will drop this “fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here” nonsense? I hope so. Furthermore, will the fact that law enforcement agencies have thwarted the last two serious attempts and not the military cause the Bushivicks to re-think their approach? I’m not holding my breath.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:23 pm$400 billion wasted? No problemo! 3500 soldiers killed? Huh? 25,000 soldiers wounded? No worries mate! 100,000 Iraqis killed? You’re kidding me, right? I might lose my Congressional seat? Holy Crap! We’ve gotta do something, Batman!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:23 pmI think it’s a very positive sign that The Decider was sober for the meeting.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:32 pmI’m not surprised that “Bubbly Boy” Bush didn’t know they were getting sick and tired of his lies.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:52 pmNanlicki – Long time no see!! Still unoriginally crude as ever! Seriously, I am concerned with the persistent pessimism which seems to overtaken the Progressive movement on a worldwide scale. Leftists and Muslims teaming up in France for a “hot time in the old town†– what’s with that? Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 11:16 am
By *pessimism*, you mean if we don’t save the Iraqis, then Al Qaeda will rule them? Or, if we don’t ignore the requests of their *democracy*, then their democracy won’t succeed? Is that the sort of “pessimism” you were referring to? More projection I see, miserable, hate filled pessimistic little st*pid c*nt.
Back on topic: American politicos are concerned about their re-election – PERIOD. Whether you discuss Ray LaHood or Hillary Clinton, both are willing to tailor their positions to appeal to their constituency. Tooodles……….. Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 11:16 am
More pure projection. You should be concerned, and pessimistic. Things look really bad for you republiCONs! Maybe that’s why you all seem so gosh darned *pessimistic* – eh, st*pid c*nt?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:52 pm#29 – “im just dying to know your legal credentials…” – Jerry Jones
Are you in need of legal representation? I’m sorry, but there are “certain” cases I refuse to take……
May 10th, 2007 at 12:59 pm“he listened very intently,” and then, as usual, promptly dismissed it. It wasn’t what he wanted to hear.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:03 pmBush was sober? That’s increadible!
May 10th, 2007 at 1:05 pm#53 – BluePuP – “But you should know by now that religion teaches people to love god more than their children.”
Save your religion bashing for the K*ranimals……..Oh that’s right, Islamic fundamentalists are on the the Progressive “endangered species” list………
“On another note, does the fact that 6 radical muslims tried to attack Fort Dix mean that conservatives will drop this “fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here†nonsense? I hope so….” – BluePuP
May 10th, 2007 at 1:07 pmDoes the fact that plots were undercovered mean progressives will drop the nonsense that certain degrees of monitoring (banks, foreign phone calls and e-mail) are necessary to protecting Americans?
That’s just more spin… the republicans should have been more frank with this President five years ago!
May 10th, 2007 at 1:11 pmwhy does ray lahood hate our troops??
why do 95% of the people in that virginia district hate our troops?
May 10th, 2007 at 1:16 pmSurprised?? You bet. His inner sanctum of rectal smoochers wouldn’t dare say shit like they laid on him.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:41 pmSobered>? I doubt it. He’s gonna tie one on that’ll last the rest of his failed preziduncy.
Valiant: “Save your religion bashing for the K*ranimals”
I see. So now it’s “religion bashing” to point out what it says in the Ten Commandments???!!! To review for you, there are commandments to love God and there is one about Honoring your parents, but nothing about loving children. Do you want to dispute that??!!!
May 10th, 2007 at 1:42 pmDoes the fact that plots were undercovered mean progressives will drop the nonsense that certain degrees of monitoring (banks, foreign phone calls and e-mail) are necessary to protecting Americans?
Comment by valiant anus — May 10, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
As I recall, Anus, the plot was uncovered not by sophisticated extra-Constitutional monitoring techniques, but by a video store employee tipping off law enforcement.
Once that tip is registered, warrants and surveillance are not a problem to obtain, and no progressive would quarrel with the requests.
So, sorry, but you have no point. Again.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:48 pmBush could not care less about the opinions of ANYONE besides himself. These idiot Republicons are either lying or stupid if they think Chimpy will give their opinions a second thought. More bushit from Bush.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:51 pmFrickin’ Posers…wolves in sheeps clothing. The fact that Lahood & some of those other 11 GOP slime have mentioned that they’ve never had a frank discussion with Shrub is just another reason they’ll be vacating their offices come November 08.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:52 pmValiant Venus: “Does the fact that plots were undercovered mean progressives will drop the nonsense that certain degrees of monitoring (banks, foreign phone calls and e-mail) are necessary to protecting Americans?”
This brings up a few issues. One, evidently no constitutional laws were broken by law enforcement; two, law enforcement rather than the military foiled another attack, and, three, can we put to bed the tired old “fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here” nonsense people like you have been spewing for years now?
May 10th, 2007 at 1:55 pm#53 – BluePuP – “But you should know by now that religion teaches people to love god more than their children.â€
Save your religion bashing for the K*ranimals……..Oh that’s right, Islamic fundamentalists are on the the Progressive “endangered species†list……… Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
Since when? We just point out that you think your *crazies* – your reflection – are less crazy. Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph prove you wrong. Why are the Ch*ranimals or T*ranimals any different? A religious zealot is a religious zealot! Or do you forget that Abraham was prepared to sacrifice his own child for Judaism, and that children and women could be sold as slaves under your religious *values*?
“On another note, does the fact that 6 radical muslims tried to attack Fort Dix mean that conservatives will drop this “fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here†nonsense? I hope so….†– BluePuP
Does the fact that plots were undercovered mean progressives will drop the nonsense that certain degrees of monitoring (banks, foreign phone calls and e-mail) are necessary to protecting Americans?
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
Actually it shows the *ineffectiveness* of those wide neck techniques. Despite you wingnuts getting to listen in on whatever you want – it took a store clerk in a video store to expose the plot. Once that was done, then traditional law enforcement techniques were used.
See, here you are, calling for the kind of extreme techniques based on technological invasiveness that Tenet said had destroyed the CIA, because it took away from the “human assets”. You really don’t learn anything – do you st*pid c*nt wingnut? Your father really shouldn’t have r*ped his sister to spawn you – you filthy ignorant nazi piece of trailer trash.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:49 pmChrist on a crutch, when will the cult-of-personality-addled Republicans wake up and realize that their leader has a management style that borders on hubris. W thinks he is friggin royalty, you can slap a “unitary executive” label on it but it is still monarchial arrogance.
Conservatives of W ilk have whipped themselves into a snit. Communism is in decline and still had not got their turn at having a Republican FDR.
May 10th, 2007 at 3:03 pm#69 – BluePuP – Thank you for NOT answering my question regarding surveillance. I probably would have fallen from chair and hit my head……Would you please put me on your ignore list?
May 10th, 2007 at 5:05 pmI did answer your question about surveillance, dumbass. I reminded you that evidently no constitutional laws had been broken in surveilling these suspects. There is no need to shread the constitution out of fear. Only people with no respect for or belief in our constitutional system think we have to break its laws to fight terrorism. Look Venus, nobody is buying your act. All you’re doing is trying to protect your cult leader from one potential article of impeachment.
May 10th, 2007 at 6:46 pm>#29 – “im just dying to know your legal credentials…†– Jerry Jones
>
>Are you in need of legal representation? I’m sorry, but there are “certain†>cases I refuse to take……
No, I’m calling you out for the fraud you are. Your imaginary life is as false as the garbage you peddle here. You arent a lawyer, you couldnt even sweep the floors at a law school. I love it how respond, and yet you refuse to answer questions that even most law students would know the answer to…
May 10th, 2007 at 6:59 pm#69 – BluePuP – Thank you for NOT answering my question regarding surveillance. I probably would have fallen from chair and hit my head……Would you please put me on your ignore list? Comment by valiant venus May 10, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Thank you for NOT explaining why the removal of our civil rights hasn’t yielded these plots – but good old fashioned surveillance has. Would you please put yourself on the ignore list? You’re such a st*pid little c*nt that it’s hard to imagine even your mother puts up with your whiny diatribes.
May 10th, 2007 at 8:52 pmRe: LaHood said the congressional delegation expressed concern about the political impact that Iraq is having on their congressional districts.
Yeah…never mind the deaths of our soldiers and the impact upon their families.
SOB Republicans.
May 10th, 2007 at 10:13 pmDoes the fact that plots were undercovered mean progressives will drop the nonsense that certain degrees of monitoring (banks, foreign phone calls and e-mail) are necessary to protecting Americans?
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
I would imagine that the monitoring of these radicals was performed because, you know, they were perhaps SUSPECTED terrorists.
We lefties here on TP are not totally against wiretapping, idiot. It’s the warrantless wiretapping we’ve got a problem with.
See, Bush says he will go to the FISA court to get a warrant on a domestic-to-domestic call. But, this takes time, and, you know, a terrorists might get away while he is awaiting approval of the warrant. But Bush isn’t concerned about that.
But, on a domestic-to-international call? Bush says Fk You to the FISA court and wiretaps anyway. Why? Because the process takes too long and a terrorists might get away.
Oh, and while you are at it, go to CNN.com, search their archives for “Patriot Act,” find the article dated 10/8/2001 (it’s on page 38) entitled “PC World poll highlights privacy concerns” and be sure to read this paragraph:
I’ll be damned if I can get any rightwinger supporters of this President and the “war” on terror to report CNN and the author of this story to the FBI for supporting terrorists by giving away information about how we track them.
May 10th, 2007 at 10:42 pmYeah, he is VERY upset–that’s why he voted against the resolution. The mainstream media are such whores to report the leak those lying pricks made about that meeting. It probably didn’t even happen. I don’t beleive anything I read in the paper anymore. The fourth estate is merely the propaganda machine of this fascist administration. It sickens me and it should sicken anyone that believes in a free society.
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