Pentagon Breaks Pledge To Troops, Sends Them Back To Iraq After Just Nine Months At Home
Pentagon Breaks Pledge To Troops, Sends Them Back To Iraq After Just Nine Months At Home
On April 11, Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced that tours of duty for the Army would be extended from 12 months to 15 months, effective immediately. In exchange for the extensions, soldiers would receive at least a year home between deployments. This rest time was intended to “provide some long-term predictability for the soldiers and their families…particularly guaranteeing that they will be at home for a full 12 months,” Gates added. Watch it:
But Gates has not kept his promise. Stars and Stripes reports:
The Army is sending a company of Europe-based soldiers back to Iraq before the unit has had a full 12 months of “dwell time,” or at-home rest.
Members of the 1st Armored Division’s 1st Battalion, 6th Infantry, Company A, learned Tuesday that they are scheduled to head back to Iraq in November, just nine months after the 150-soldier company left the combat zone in February after a 13-month deployment.
A recent Pentagon report concluded that soldiers on extended and repeated deployments “were more likely to suffer acute stress, and that mental health problems correlated with higher rates of battlefield misconduct.”
When asked yesterday about this nine-month deployment, Gates simply replied, “I’ll be very interested in finding out more about that.” Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman’s response was that “there are some people, just by the nature of transferring units and things like that may not end up with the full 12 months.”
According to Whitman, the 12-month rest period between deployments “is a goal,” not a guarantee.
Transcript:
GATES: This reality was a significant factor influencing my decision to recommend to the President that we grow the Army and the Marine Corps over the next five years by 65,000 and 25,000 respectively. As the next step, acting upon the recommendation of the Acting Secretary and Chief of Staff of the Army, I am announcing today a new policy intended to provide better clarity, predictability, and sustainability in how we deploy active duty Army forces.
Effective immediately, active Army units now in the Central Command unit of responsibility, and those headed there, will deploy for not more than 15 months, and will return home to home station, for not less than 12 months. This policy applies to all units, with the exception of two brigades, currently deployed, that have already been extended to 16-month deployments.
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More lies.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:52 amPledge? The left turns the American military into a frat house.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:52 amCome on Insurgents if you want your country back then kill more US troops attack them in their bases as they are hiding too scared to come out
May 10th, 2007 at 11:54 amIt looks like Gate’s calendar was 10 days behind when he made the initial announcement.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:55 amBut hey, they all volunteered, so that makes it all ok, right trolls?
May 10th, 2007 at 11:55 amWhy do the commanders hate their troops?
May 10th, 2007 at 11:56 amWhy does the Pentagon hate our troops?
May 10th, 2007 at 11:57 amMore lies from the lying liars who tell them.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:57 am#
Pledge? The left turns the American military into a frat house.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 10, 2007 @ 11:52 am
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And the right sends them into a slaughterhouse.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:58 amPledge? The left turns the American military into a frat house.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 10, 2007 @ 11:52 am
Sign up or shut up little girl.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:58 amPatrick1,
Perhaps you could explian your mindless posts.
Isn’t the Commander Guy that is running the military right now. What does the left have to do with this decision. It is this administrations terrible execution of an even worse policy that has led us to this horrible place.
Of course I don’t expect you to get this. It wasn’t on this mornings RNC talking points.
May 10th, 2007 at 11:59 amWhy does President Bush hate the troops?
May 10th, 2007 at 11:59 amPledge? I only use Endust.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:00 pm#9 Chris L…..SNAP!!!!..Good post’s…Terribly sad, but true…..Blessings
May 10th, 2007 at 12:01 pmPatrick1
Those Islamofascists are laughing at you; wondrous keyboard warrior!
Patty cowards like you are why they will win!
Why not “Go Army”, after all if god is on your side, you’ll win! Right patty?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:03 pmIraq occupancy in ‘last throes,’ Cheney says
May 10th, 2007 at 12:03 pmWhy don’t you just ignore us? We’re stupid little trolls who try to get you off topic so you’ll talk about us instead of the topic. When you respond to us we win!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:03 pmAnd we’re surprised that they lied? At least the Bush Administration is consistent about one thing. They have lying down to an art.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:03 pm“… a goal”. Winning in Iraq was once a goal. Not only have they lied about deployments, now they also restrict who can testify before Congress (approved colonels and above ONLY!). Yeah, let’s trust Patreaus.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:05 pmThe administration is just folowing the orders of their al Qaeda masters:
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 05/ 06/ wallace-spins-zawahiri/
May 10th, 2007 at 12:05 pmHas anyone found out how much per hour or per mindless post the Republican National Committee or one of its clones pays the trolls who come in here and dazzle us with their brilliance, while providing many with comic relief?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:06 pmEasy now folks, it is a ‘GOP’ Promise is optional and revisions are based on that particular days needs. Do as we say not as we do.
did you guys just get here?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:06 pmFunny how liberals get labeled with that since this president was quite a drunk fraternity member, and frat members tend to be conservative and vote republican …. indeed, very amusing.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:06 pm#2 - What do you call it when the Defense Secretary announces that “Effective immediately, active Army units now in the Central Command unit of responsibility, and those headed there, will deploy for not more than 15 months, and will return home to home station, for not less than 12 months.”?
You don’t like the word pledge? That’s fine. How about:
“This policy applies to all units…”
Cool? Good.
So now that we’ve agreed to call it a policy, what do you call it when the policy isn’t implemented? For Republicans, we call it business as usual.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:06 pmThey forget to mention the 1-2 months of training we have to do before actually deploying to the theatre. (that is usually accomplished away from home station also) Add into that the about 3 week “debriefing”/”down time” training you have to do on the tail end of your deployment (again, away from home station), and a 15 moth deployment turns into an 18 monther. Oh, wait…your 12 months home stay begins when you LEAVE THE AOR (area of responsibility), and includes the end training, knocking your actually home time down to 11 months…
You gotta read the fine print to find that one!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:08 pmPatrick1, Jake, michael, valiant venus, ct, The Joker, and Captain Kirk,
Isn’t that a little masturbatory? How boring would that be if we came in here to agree with each other. There isn’t much point. If all you want to do is vent, then vent.
I appreciate the debate. Unfortunately, most of the right leaning people that come here aren’t very thoughtful and they generally spout vitriolic garbage that makes no snse then run away. (See Patrick1)
May 10th, 2007 at 12:08 pmWhy does the DoD’s own newspaper hate America?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:08 pmWe gotta fight ‘em over there so we don’t have to fignt ‘em here.
What? We caught a bunch of them HERE?
Never mind!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:08 pmI bet VTH is just thrilled..and will be here shortly to let you know that this is all your fault. After nothing, In Bizzarro world all things are possible
May 10th, 2007 at 12:09 pmyet another reason why this military machine needs to be taken down. we need a national DE-fense, and not a national OF-fense.
take away the tools to wage war, and they won’t be able to do it. period.
some reading:
“National Defense vs. National Offense”
May 10th, 2007 at 12:10 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/ national_defense_vs__national_offense
Sign up or shut up little girl.
Comment by Shane
You insult little girls when you compare them to these cowardly scumbags.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:11 pmThe left turns the American military into a frat house.
Comment by Patrick1
The right has turned the American military into Walmart. With about equal benefits.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:14 pmLooks like Patrick1 has run off to hide… just like the Commander Guy did when he was asked to serve during the Vietnam War. COWARDS.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:16 pmLying bast*rd.
Gates is no better than the rest of them.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:19 pmThe right has turned the American military into Walmart. With about equal benefits.
Comment by Zep Tepi
Hey Zep,
It’s unusual to see you here so early. :)
May 10th, 2007 at 12:21 pmLike Liberals care for our troops….please Liberals stop your fake outrage. It is laughable at best.
Why haven’t you guys gone and asked the anti-war protestors in front of Walter Reed and other military hospitals to stop calling our soldiers baby killers? why haven’t you asked these wackos to stop carrying signs calling our brave military men and women murderers?
where was the outrage from the left when left wing wackos sent anti-war letters spewing hate and venom to injured soldiers in military hospitals?
this is all complete and utter fake outrage. Most Liberals do not care about our troops and sites like thinkprogress.org defently hate our troops.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:21 pmZep, most of us in the military are here cause we want to be, and the “benifits”, are on of the reasons. We’re all guilty of venting about our jobs on occasion (see my above post), but I chose my path, and it’s worked well for me. That’s not to say it’s for everyone, but you can probably say the same about you job as well.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:23 pmYa know, the michaels and the V V, the Jakes are right. They are very wise people. See? Bush ratings are dropping thanks to their efforts here.
Thanks michael.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:23 pm#28 Zep
Ohhhh, you’re good. :D
May 10th, 2007 at 12:24 pmSo Gates shows his Republiscum roots, he is a lying a$$hole.
This kind of crap affects troop morale, not people debating the war.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:25 pmThe Sec. of Defense LIED to the troops.
#35 VTH
Prove it.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:25 pmValiant, I’m a GI, and have gotten as many “thank you” and positive comments here as I have anywhere else; to include recieving lines at airports post-deployment. Think before you post things like that, my friend.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:25 pmI bet VTH is just thrilled..and will be here shortly to let you know that this is all your fault. After nothing, In Bizzarro world all things are possible
Comment by Zep Tepi
Took 12 mins for the lying liar to show up but you pretty much called it.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:25 pmValleykunt,
No we only hate you!
Piece of human garbage, I bet your mom wishes she would have had an abortion!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:26 pmWhy should we be surprised? Who in their right mind believes a thing that anyone associated with BushCo says?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:26 pmLie, lie lie lie lie, delay, delay, lie,lie lie…
The right has turned the American military into Walmart. With about equal benefits.
Comment by Zep Tepi — May 10, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
why haven’t the Democratic Party passed a bill that gives our military the same benefits that Democrats in Congress enjoy? do tell!
Your party is in control of Congress, why haven’t they passed a bill that equals the benefits that all members of Congress receive!
i thought you party, I thought left wingers cared about our troops?
you are only fooling yourselves.
Ask any top nudge military person, during the 1990s billy boy and hellary’s contempt for out troops was all over the place. Democrats hate military brass, military troops.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:27 pmSend in the trolls…
Send in the trolls…
Don’t bother….they’re heeere!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:28 pmValiant, I’m a GI, and have gotten as many “thank you†and positive comments here as I have anywhere else; to include recieving lines at airports post-deployment. Think before you post things like that, my friend.
Comment by Craig Mack — May 10, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
you didn’t answer my question. why haven’t Liberals made a big deal, like the right has about left wingers verbally attacking injured troops in military hospitals?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:29 pmCraig Mack,
Thank you for serving in the military, especially in these dangerous times.
What do you think about what Sec Def Gates is doing? Regarding the extended tours, and reduced time at home. And anything else you might want to address, of course.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:29 pmHater: “Like Liberals care for our troops….please Liberals stop your fake outrage. It is laughable at best.”
Then why does Iraq and Afganistan Veterans of America consistently rate Democrats higher than Repubs for their voting records in support of the troops. Examples: Pelosi: B+; Kennedy: B+; Denny Hastert: F; John Cornyn: D-; Norm Coleman: D.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:29 pmI think VTH is misremembering protests from the Vietnam war… I haven’t heard of anyone doing this sort of thing these days.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:30 pmWhy do republican scum have such lousy memories? Dropped on their heads as babies? Bad meth?
Like Liberals care for our troops….please Liberals stop your fake outrage. It is laughable at best.
Comment by valiantthehater
I served, I am a veteran. I have been outspoken about veteran abuses by this Administration for the last 6 years.
It is you that care nothing about the troops scumbag.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:30 pmdon’t forget Craig Mack that according to the Liberal wackos, you and your soldier friends have killed 650,000 Iraqis. I mean, it is not Bush or anyone in the White House pulling the trigger, right? but you, so if you follow the pathetic logic of some left wingers, you and your soldiers have supposedly killed 650,000. do tell me how this is supporting you.
yes, keep on telling yourself that the left loves the military.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:31 pmValiant: It simply takes a long time to fix the numerous problems created by the Republicans in the past 6 years. We can’t fix all your problems in one day. You guys complain that government is inefficient and incompetent and then prove it by trying to govern.
** DO ANY OF THE REPUBLICAN POLICIES ACTUALLY WORK? **
May 10th, 2007 at 12:31 pmZep, most of us in the military are here cause we want to be, and the “benifitsâ€, are on of the reasons. We’re all guilty of venting about our jobs on occasion (see my above post), but I chose my path, and it’s worked well for me. That’s not to say it’s for everyone, but you can probably say the same about you job as well. Comment by Craig Mack
Hold on now CM, I was making reference to privatization of the military and comparing IT TO Walmart. Walter Reed was likely part of that privatization.
Many of, and one currently, my family have served/ing, than you very much, and I think they deserve better treatment than what they have been getting.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:32 pmValiant, did you not read my posts above??? I’ll tell you anything you want to know about benifits, pay, ect. Yeah, when I first came in (93), it kinda blew. (the pay), but as I have made rank, and the new pay raises have taken effect, it’s been OK pay wise.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:32 pmDick Cheney said that when the administration of George HW Bush took the whitehouse, he wanted to thank Reagan for such a strong military. He said any administration is working with the military created by the last administration. So, according to Dick Cheney, the military which so quickly took Bagdad and wiped out the Taliban (temporarily) was created during the Clinton administration.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:32 pmI think VTH is misremembering protests from the Vietnam war… I haven’t heard of anyone doing this sort of thing these days.
Why do republican scum have such lousy memories? Dropped on their heads as babies? Bad meth?
Comment by SKdeA — May 10, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
well obviously you haven’t heard of this, since you spend all day on left wing blogs, and reading and listening to left wing media.
retard, why don’t you go visit Walter Reed or any other military hospital. You will have a good group of anti-american individuals who belong to code pink, answer or any other anti-american group who have signs calling our injured troops baby killers and other dispicable things.
I am sorry that you are not well informed and that you formulate your opinion on half-truths and full lies from the left.
I pity you kid.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:34 pmCan we try again today to ignore the vile spewing of Valiantthehater? :-)
May 10th, 2007 at 12:34 pmCraig Mack, I’m pretty sure that it hasn’t escaped you that the only one around here accusing you of killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis is a hateful, conservative troll.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:34 pmCraig,
Thank you for serving.
VtH, is it true, like Bush’s appointee stated, that Hispanics are lazy?
Just wonder’n…
May 10th, 2007 at 12:35 pmyes, keep on telling yourself that the left loves the military.
Comment by valiantthehater
Yeh can you imagine that 60% of those lefties you see tiring of this war are actually righty? Cute little angry sweaty troll you.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:36 pmvaliantthehater,
“Your party is in control of Congress, why haven’t they passed a bill that equals the benefits that all members of Congress receive!”
By this logic I guess we can say both parties ‘hate’ the troops eh? During the lst six years, the Republicans had all the power, and I took a giant dump on the troops. Should we discuss lack of armor, Walter Reed, overextension.
Stop with this.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:37 pmValiant, did you not read my posts above??? I’ll tell you anything you want to know about benifits, pay, ect. Yeah, when I first came in (93), it kinda blew. (the pay), but as I have made rank, and the new pay raises have taken effect, it’s been OK pay wise.
Comment by Craig Mack — May 10, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
yes, but you and I both know that your benefits don’t even come close to the medial, pay, etc benefits that a Congressman enjoys.
If Democrats care so much about our troops, why haven’t they passed a bill giving members of the military the same benefits that a Congressman enjoys?
care to explain?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:38 pmvaliantthehater,
“If Democrats care so much about our troops, why haven’t they passed a bill giving members of the military the same benefits that a Congressman enjoys?”
If Republicans cared so much about our troops, why didn’t they pass a bill giving members of the military the same benefits that a Congressman enjoys?
What is with this DUMB question? Do you not see the irony in it?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:41 pmThere’s only one “pledge” that counts, the Pledge of Allegiance.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:42 pm“conservative troll”
Comment by Bluedog49
I would amend that to “hateful troll.”
It seems like even the most angry conservatives are not hateful like this one.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:42 pmValiant, I’m gonna try and discuss this with you like grown folks, so I’ll warn you in advance that if you try and resort to noame calling, someone’s mama may get talked about.
I don’t doubt your claim that SOME left wingers call me a baby killer. That’s a peril of wearing this uniform, and I can accept that. Also, right wingers (see: the wackos with thee :GOD HATES US SOLIDERS AND FAGGOTS) people protesting funerals of my brothers and sisters. If given my druthers, I would choke out both groups, and call it a day. However, I am prohibited from doing so, so I sadly shake my head and press on.
I don’t honestlly think that everyone loves the military, and some will speak ill of us. That sickens me, but you know what, I’ll go back to wherever I have to go (along with several other service members) to give those asshats the right to speak their minds. This applies to you as well.
As far as you question about giving us the same benifits as a congressman, It would be nice, but it’s a pipe dream. Do I deserve them, HELL YEAH! (: However, the requirements for our jobs are different. Although I may be (over) qualified for a senate seat, I didn’t get that job, so I have to accept the benifits for the one I do.
Hope this clears it up for you.
Zooey, Thanks, and I will get toi your question after a wee break!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:43 pmretard, why don’t you go visit Walter Reed or any other military hospital. You will have a good group of anti-american individuals who belong to code pink Comment by valiantthehater
Wow, the latino hater of freedom, the Rush rabble, must be sleep-typing again. What a crazy interpretation of reality this one trys to project upon others..with no proof in evidence whatsoever.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:44 pmvaliantthehater,
“Your party is in control of Congress, why haven’t they passed a bill that equals the benefits that all members of Congress receive!â€
By this logic I guess we can say both parties ‘hate’ the troops eh? During the lst six years, the Republicans had all the power, and I took a giant dump on the troops. Should we discuss lack of armor, Walter Reed, overextension.
Stop with this.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 10, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
stop this? why, don’t like it when your party is shown to be the lying, anti-military party that it is?
and YES fcking Republicans have been pathetic at giving the military the true benefits that they deserve!
anyone that serves in the military, regardless of rank, should have a pay check 100 times bigger than the annual salary of pathetic, puke brain John Kerry.
the families that lose a loved one in the military should be taken care of and that family should never, ever have financial problems.
IN this country we do not do enough to take care of our troops. It is pathetic!
May 10th, 2007 at 12:44 pmShocking. Did *anyone* see this coming?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:45 pmThank you, Mr. Pizzlevent, for your profound and timely, if irrelevant, utterance.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:46 pmIf Democrats care so much about our troops, why haven’t they passed a bill giving members of the military the same benefits that a Congressman enjoys? care to explain? Comment by valiantthehater
Why didn’t the rubber stamp Republicans in office, who ran the roost since 1994, not do that in the last decade, eh?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:47 pmZooey, Thanks, and I will get toi your question after a wee break!
Comment by Craig Mack
Thank you, Craig. I’m out of here for a while, but I’ll check back.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:48 pmWhat is with this DUMB question? Do you not see the irony in it?
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 10, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
you are assuming that I am happy with how Republicans have treated our armed forces.
don’t assume so much Crump.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:53 pmI didn’t believe the Hater’s assertion that Code Pink was being hateful to troops at Walter Reed, so I googled on “Troops” and “Code Pink.” I found the conservative cybernews article on the issue. Yes, Code Pink was protesting, but it was protesting the treatment of troops. According to the article itself the banners they held up were “Maimed for a Lie” and “Enlist here to die for Halliburton.”
Walter Reed may not be the best place to stage a protest, but Code Pink could hardly be accused of “hating the troops” based on these signs.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:53 pmBluePup - ,”…that the only one around here accusing you of killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis is a hateful, conservative troll.”
Where have you been? On this very site, the most radical Leftists condemn the military along with the administration.
When a “leftard” cousin asked my brother “how do you feel knowing you have killed thousands of innocent men, women and children?” an uneasy vacuum filled the room. With the patience he believes necessary when talking to ignorant people, he replied, “My job is to kill our enemies. If innocent people are killed with those enemies, I’ll let God sort it out.” He then asked if there was more gravy. Needless, to say, I haven’t had an occasion in which to invite the “leftard” back…..
Tooodles…..
May 10th, 2007 at 12:53 pm“Like Liberals care for our troops….”
Whatever you say, dear. Since you are, as usual, simply making shit up, forgive us if we don’t take your whining seriously.
“please Liberals stop your fake outrage. It is laughable at best.”
Q.E.D., dear heart.
“Why haven’t you guys gone and asked the anti-war protestors in front of Walter Reed and other military hospitals to stop calling our soldiers baby killers?”
Well, mostly because we have nothing to do with them, dear heart, and we do not feel compelled to jump through hoops to criticize a few nutcases just because you want to change the subject and avoid dealing with the issue at hand. Do you actually have any relevant comments, dear?
“this is all complete and utter fake outrage. Most Liberals do not care about our troops and sites like thinkprogress.org defently hate our troops.”
LOL… Like I said, making shit up.
“don’t forget Craig Mack that according to the Liberal wackos, you and your soldier friends have killed 650,000 Iraqis.”
Dear heart, I’m afraid that complex matters are beyond your comprehension, but I’ll try to explain a couple of things to you. Your first problem is that you are assuming that “liberal wackos” had anything to do with the 650,000 figure. We did not. It was a scientific survey, appropriately peer reviewed and published in a respected scientific journal. Your second problem is that you have failed to understand the 650,000 figure, since it is not the number of Iraqis killed by U.S. soldiers. Do try to do your homework next time, won’t you, dear?
By the way, dear, were you planning to actually address the topic of this post any time soon?
“I mean, it is not Bush or anyone in the White House pulling the trigger, right?”
Actually, dear, it is, which is why we blame the Bush administration and not the troops.
“but you, so if you follow the pathetic logic of some left wingersyes, keep on telling yourself that the left loves the military.”
We do, dear, that’s why we want to stop this abuse and bring them home. Now, were you planning to address the topic of this thread, dear?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:54 pmIf Democrats care so much about our troops, why haven’t they passed a bill giving members of the military the same benefits that a Congressman enjoys?
care to explain?
Comment by valiantthehater
If Republicans care so much about our troops, why haven’t they passed a bill giving members of the military the same benefits that a Congressman enjoys anytime in the last 6 years?
Why did Republicans in congress end the 40 years of yearly meetings with veteran groups, when veteran issues were discussed?
Why did the deplorable conditions at Walter Reed occur under a Republican Administration?
Would YOU care to explain?
May 10th, 2007 at 12:57 pmand YES fcking Republicans have been pathetic at giving the military the true benefits that they deserve! -VTH
Republicans are pathetic and responsible for this current disaster (?) but it’s the lefts fault that Republicans, who were in control, came up with this really horrible plan(?) and implemented it.
Your a genius VTH, really. I mean that.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:57 pmIf Democrats care so much about our troops, why haven’t they passed a bill giving members of the military the same benefits that a Congressman enjoys? care to explain? Comment by valiantthehater
Why didn’t the rubber stamp Republicans in office, who ran the roost since 1994, not do that in the last decade, eh?
Comment by Zep Tepi — May 10, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Agreed, why didn’t theyu do this? and why didn’t the rubber stamp Congress of 1993 under clinton do this? and why didn’t the rubber stamp under Carter do this? etc, etc. etc……
the fact is that you claim that your party cares about the troops more than the Republicans….
yet your party, besides telling them that they lost in Iraq, have done nothing to improve military benefits.
the fact is that Republicans constantly push for bills to equip our military, while the Democrats block these or push for bills to stop military funding.
and yes, Rumsfeld aslo wanted a small military, it doesn’t make it right.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:57 pm“If Democrats care so much about our troops, why haven’t they passed a bill giving members of the military the same benefits that a Congressman enjoys?”
ROFLMAO… She’s really desperate today, isn’t she? I mean, this question is so off-the-wall batshit insane that no response is necessary. It’s a transparently pathetic attempt to duck the issue.
Dear heart, were you planning on writing anything relevant to the topic under discussion anytime soon? Or do you just want to mindlessly rant and whine and post idiotic drivel? For the record, dear, that was a rhetorical question.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:57 pmvaliantthehater,
“don’t assume so much Crump.”
My apologies for assuming a such, but you have to admit, the tone you were taking with the Dems, it wasn’t much of aleap to think that you felt the Repubs were getting right when it came to troop support.
But as I said, I apologize for the assumption.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:59 pm“Where have you been? On this very site, the most radical Leftists condemn the military along with the administration.”
Really, dear? Then it should be trivially easy for you to find examples, right? We’ll be waiting, dear.
“When a ‘leftard’ cousin asked my brother ‘how do you feel knowing you have killed thousands of innocent men, women and children?’ an uneasy vacuum filled the room.”
ROFL… Dear heart, even assuming that this anecdote is true (which, given your track record, we do not), what does this have to do with, well, anything?
Still waiting for you and your cohort to actually address the topic under discussion.
May 10th, 2007 at 12:59 pm“the fact is that you claim that your party cares about the troops more than the Republicans”
We certainly care more about their safety, their health, and well-being than did the Republican-controlled Congress or the Bush administration, dear. I’m so sorry that you’re having so much trouble dealing with that fact.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:01 pm“the fact is that Republicans constantly push for bills to equip our military, while the Democrats block these or push for bills to stop military funding.”
ROFLMAO… You haven’t been paying attention for the past four years, have you, dear?
May 10th, 2007 at 1:01 pm“I mean, it is not Bush or anyone in the White House pulling the trigger, right?â€
Actually, dear, it is, which is why we blame the Bush administration and not the troops.
Comment by PaulB — May 10, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
BWAHAHAHAHA, wow, my poor retarded friend has come back. Your obssesion with me would be flattering if it wasn’t that you are such a poorly informed scumb bag.
really, Bush and the White House administration has gone to Iraq and fought with our troops? wow, do tell everyone.
wrong kid, it is our military soldiers that fight.
that is like saying that FDR pulled all the triggers that killed Japanese and Nazis.
650,000 figure is a pathetic joke that is not real. You and your left wing wackos pulled that out of thin air. The voices in your head don’t count as peers that reviewed such a laughable made up number.
please kid, if I have told you once, I have told you many times. If you are going to take the time to address me, make sure that you give me a mental challenge, and not pathetic drivel and propaganda from the left.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:01 pmSending in the troops should be our last option when it comes to establishing national security in countries abroad. Genocides like that in Sudan, and what happened in Somalia should never be allowed to happen again. Our soldiers are warriors, not peacekeepers. This is the primary reason why they have such a difficult time in un-warlike scenarios, like in Iraq. The enemy is not clearly defined as fighting goes on in the midst of everyday civilian life.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:02 pmAs a nation, in order to preserve our own security should help establish other secure nations, not by military means. Hunger and poverty are petri dishes for militants, terrorists, and sociopaths. Eliminating the growth sites for such terrible things would reduce the need for immediate military action. It would also, be less expensive and possibly even make money. As those who are impoverished move out of poverty and begin to develop all nations involved could begin to profit in a healthy, sustainable way.
Valiant, I’m sure that little anecdote makes you feel better, but the fact remains that on this thread, the only one accusing troops of killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis is a hateful, conservative troll. I’ve been taking part in these discussions for quite some time now, and I don’t remember seeing much troop bashing for any reason in any thread. Now, I always see trolls ACCUSING us of troop bashing, but not the actual bashing. I keep pointing out IAVA. Those veterans keep track of voting records and consistently give Democrats higher grades than Repubs for supporting the troops.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:02 pmTooodles…..Comment by valiant venus.
His “job” is now to build nations and bring democracy to a country that hates our freedom and free them, according to George.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:03 pmWhen a “leftard†cousin asked my brother “how do you feel knowing you have killed thousands of innocent men, women and children?†an uneasy vacuum filled the room…
Comment by mighty valiant the aphroditic venus — May 10, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
Here, let me finish your fantasy family scenerio
to which my brother responded ” at least my deceased neice won’t grow up to be a Democrat”
Have a wonderful, delusional grandeur of a schizophrenic day!
May 10th, 2007 at 1:04 pm“the fact is that you claim that your party cares about the troops more than the Republicansâ€
We certainly care more about their safety, their health, and well-being than did the Republican-controlled Congress or the Bush administration, dear. I’m so sorry that you’re having so much trouble dealing with that fact.
Comment by PaulB — May 10, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
Pauly want a cracker…..so where is the great bill that Democratic Party is pushing through Congress to give amazing medical, pay, etc benefits to our troops…
please give bill name, number, how many Democrats have voted for it….
pauly wants a cracker….thanks for coming and posting. You are quite the poorly informed entertainer. by your posts it looks like you are still in high school, right?
May 10th, 2007 at 1:04 pmOur troops are suffering. The people of Iraq are suffering. Why is it so hard to see that the war has been ineffective at stopping terrorism. Poverty is a significant cause of unrest, civil strife, a petri dish for terrorists, militants and dictators. Why is it that we continue to address the symptoms of poverty and not the root cause? The primary reason for terrorism is the inequality between lifestyle and monetary wealth. Not Islam versus Christianity. Those may be the terms we are using, but they are the scapegoats and fire-starters that we use to send good men and women into the battlefield, just as those who would use Islam to justify and fuel the suicide bombings.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:06 pmyou are assuming that I am happy with how Republicans have treated our armed forces.
Comment by valiantthehater
When you defend the Republiscum record with more vigor than you protect your left nut with, we assume you don’t give a f*ck about the troops.
Because you don’t.
Now about the subject of the thread, have any comments about another Republiscum lie told to our troops, Republiscum?
May 10th, 2007 at 1:07 pmOr do you even really give a damn?
Pauly want a cracker…..so where is the great bill that Democratic Party is pushing through Congress to give amazing medical, pay, etc benefits to our troops… Comment by valiantthehater — May 10, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
If the Republicans love the troops as you claim, why didn’t they do this for the last HOW MANY YEARS? Hypocrite.
please give bill name, number, how many Democrats have voted for it…. Comment by valiantthehater — May 10, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
I guess you missed that the bill that Bush Vetoed had increased spending for troop readiness and equipment?
pauly wants a cracker….thanks for coming and posting. You are quite the poorly informed entertainer. by your posts it looks like you are still in high school, right? Comment by valiantthehater — May 10, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
Pure projection from you - child. Grow up.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:08 pm“If Democrats care so much about our troops, why haven’t they passed a bill giving members of the military the same benefits that a Congressman enjoys? ”
Why didn’t the Republicans? They were in total control for six years and nothing! Why do the Republicans hate the troops?
May 10th, 2007 at 1:12 pmOr do you even really give a damn?
Comment by Wayne — May 10, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
Ding ding ding!
May 10th, 2007 at 1:13 pmSpot on, Wayne.
Our ever name changing troll is not here to discuss and debate, it’s here to derail.
Notice how he remained typically silent when Craig Mack mentioned the extreme right wing Christians picketing dead soldiers funeral.
Let’s see, VTH (j.j.) gets all uptight from “baby killer” rants during the 1960’s, but agrees with idiots that say a soldier is in hell because of America’s acceptence of homosexuality
Nice. Pathetic.
Auntie Valiant,
As long as you’re telling stories again today, can I hear the Troopergate story?
Or the story about Bad Max Cleland blowing himself up in Vietnam?
Pretty PLEEEEZE?
May 10th, 2007 at 1:13 pmHater: “650,000 figure is a pathetic joke that is not real. You and your left wing wackos pulled that out of thin air. The voices in your head don’t count as peers that reviewed such a laughable made up number.”
Good god, can this imbicile get anything right?
The 650,000 number came from a study by Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore and published online by the Lancet — not from voices inside one’s head.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:14 pmPaulB - If you’ve not kept up to speed with the radical Left’s denunciation of the troops, perhaps you’re “too busy” or asleep at the switch. It’s none of my business - and I don’t care.
Your concern for the troops safety and well being is “moving” - really! Funny, you seem to think they should be engaged in continual training exercises and fly around in an elite club at taxpayers’ expense. Their job is to fight the battles of the nation and we are lucky to have many brave volunteers so willing to serve.
Whether you “believe” me or my “anecdote” is only fitting - I rarely believe “leftards” without unbiased verification……
Tooodles…’til later………
May 10th, 2007 at 1:16 pmJunior, maybe she can tell you the story of how the Clintons endangered our democracy by firing a couple of people who worked for the Whitehouse Travel Office.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:18 pm#91 - Lana When you have a moment - please explain to the audience why many Islamic radicals are not poverty stricken. In fact, why are they often the highly-educated in their mosques and societies….. Hmmmmm….
Later…..
May 10th, 2007 at 1:18 pmAnd if Congress passed a bill of the type VtH is talking about, she’d complain about the tax increases that would be needed to pay for it…
May 10th, 2007 at 1:21 pmPaulB - If you’ve not kept up to speed with the radical Left’s denunciation of the troops, perhaps you’re “too busy†or asleep at the switch. It’s none of my business - and I don’t care. Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
BAHAHAHA, Radical Left’s denunciation of the troops? Where, When does this radical left exist - except in your tiny little excuse for a brain? What, all 12 of the LaRouche Party? BAHAHA, St*pid c*nt. Now who’s too busy, and too st*pid? Maybe it’s just because you “don’t-care”, that you “don’t-know” what you’re talking about?
Your concern for the troops safety and well being is “moving†- really! Funny, you seem to think they should be engaged in continual training exercises and fly around in an elite club at taxpayers’ expense. Their job is to fight the battles of the nation and we are lucky to have many brave volunteers so willing to serve. Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
So you first criticize the supposed far left for not caring about the troops, then you say you don’t care about the troops, because it’s their job to fight (die if poorly trained) for us? I’m sure many of those “brave” volunteers believed they would be in Kansas helping the Tornado victims, and not in Iraq. No false advertising in that!
And while you *love* to lecture on what the job of the troops is, might I remind you that *occupation* is not the traditional role of the US army - we’re not an imperial nor trained to be imperial troops. Might I also remind you that peace keeping doesn’t sound like the sort of role you say they’re for - yet that’s what’s required in Iraq. Might I also remind you that while the troops are there to fight, we have duties in this country as well - such as to ensure they’re fighting for something we (THE DEMOCRACY) want. A job YOU FAIL AT - st*pid c*nt.
Whether you “believe†me or my “anecdote†is only fitting - I rarely believe “leftards†without unbiased verification…… Tooodles…’til later……… Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
Wow, such a *vulgar* term - hypocrite much - st*pid c*nt?
You don’t believe reality - so why would you believe anyone but your own koolaid dripped madness you vile st*pid c*nt?
May 10th, 2007 at 1:26 pmthe families that lose a loved one in the military should be taken care of and that family should never, ever have financial problems.
IN this country we do not do enough to take care of our troops. It is pathetic!
Comment by valiantthehater
Why has George Bush never attended the funeral of any dead Iraqi Soldiers. Not one! Why? How is that showing respect? And please give us a link to the peace protests you speak of at Walther Reed otherwise we will assume you are lying again.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:27 pmIf Democrats care so much about our troops, why haven’t they passed a bill giving members of the military the same benefits that a Congressman enjoys?
care to explain?
Comment by valiantthehater
in case you werent paying attention, the democrats actually passed a bill giving the troops more money than the president asked for, but Dubya veto’d it to make a political statement…
May 10th, 2007 at 1:29 pmWhen a “leftard†cousin asked my brother “how do you feel knowing you have killed thousands of innocent men, women and children?†an uneasy vacuum filled the room. With the patience he believes necessary when talking to ignorant people, he replied, “My job is to kill our enemies. If innocent people are killed with those enemies, I’ll let God sort it out.†He then asked if there was more gravy. Needless, to say, I haven’t had an occasion in which to invite the “leftard†back…..
Tooodles…..
Comment by valiant venus
In your family the only thing we can believe is that your cousing is a “retard” but the rest of the story is the same kind of lies we’ve grown accustomed to out of you.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:30 pm#91 - Lana When you have a moment - please explain to the audience why many Islamic radicals are not poverty stricken. In fact, why are they often the highly-educated in their mosques and societies….. Hmmmmm…. Later….. Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
You mean the Islamic Radical *leadership*? Wow, leaders that are educated. Well, you are a republican, you should be able to answer that. Bush was educated, yet he’s a radical. You were educated, and yet you are a radical. Even most of your wingnuts in the current government were educated (often at a religious school - sound familiar) and they’re radicals. How does that happen?
See st*pid c*nt. You can drag a Jake*ss to the pool of knowledge and wisdom - but you can’t make her drink. You’re a great testament to that - st*pid c*nt.
As for my theory as to why they/you are educated yet still a wingnut? Because they are tortured insecure souls that prey on the weakness and st*pidity of others. In the Islamic world, the poverty underlies and pins up men like Bin Laden. Just as in the US, the isolation of Suburban America, and the despair of many unsatisfied *souls* props up wingnuts like Falwell and YOU!
You do realize that there books written about the psychology of wingnuts and their followers - right? You should read one. You might finally understand your own disgusting and miserable existence - Anorexia girl!
May 10th, 2007 at 1:30 pmOh F*ck! My LyingBastard-O-Meter just pegged itself, the needle shattered after bashing the inside of the calibration frammle.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:32 pmBack to the workbench. F*cking bastards.
pauly wants a cracker….thanks for coming and posting. You are quite the poorly informed entertainer. by your posts it looks like you are still in high school, right?
Comment by valiantthehater — May 10, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
Paulb presents intelligent argument and this is how you respond. And you say he’s the high schooler who can’t debate. You have nothing to say. You post more blatant lies and fabrications that any other troll here. You are incompetent and trolling and that’s just sad. Maybe McDonald’s is hiring. If you concentrate really hard maybe you could handle cleanup. Just stay away from the customers.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:38 pmOr the story about Bad Max Cleland blowing himself up in Vietnam?
Pretty PLEEEEZE?
Comment by Con Junior — May 10, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
Oooh, a Karl Rove tale, my favorite kind of horror story.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:40 pmValiant,
Way to avoid my comments after I gave you the courtesy of a response.
Zooey (ques 48);
May 10th, 2007 at 1:42 pmI think it’s a crappy deal, but those of us that have been in for awhile have seen this “dangling carrot yanked away” thing several times, although usually by lower level commanders. Hell, I’ve had as little as 6 months down time before I get sent back to the box. As a diclaimer, I am in a training instructor position right now that means I don’t deploy as much, but of the 300 or so students I adress daily, most of them will be seeing a deployment in the next 8-10 months.
It’s tedious and overwhelming, but we all raised our right hands and swore to obey the orders of the president, whether we agree with them or not. All we can do is survive our time over there, do our job while maintaining yourself, and have one hell of a party when it’s all over. (which we will probably never see)
Craig Mack, you have run into one of the many ironies to be found in these discussions: posters who are most likely to accuse liberals of being cowards and defeatists are most likely the first to run away from a good argument.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:48 pmin case you werent paying attention, the democrats actually passed a bill giving the troops more money than the president asked for, but Dubya veto’d it to make a political statement…
That money didn’t go to the troops. It went to Illinois farmers and the rest of Barack Obama’s pork projects.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:50 pmMy Auntie Valiant tells the best stories.
She’s a lawyer, you know.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:51 pmthe families that lose a loved one in the military should be taken care of and that family should never, ever have financial problems.
IN this country we do not do enough to take care of our troops. It is pathetic!
Comment by valiantthehater
My sister came home wounded, she had to have most of her pancreas and liver removed. She was discharged for medical reasons. She now has full blown diabetes and the medical review beuracrats denied her coverage for the diabetes, even though it is directly due to her injuries. She is fighting that in appeal.
Her husband had to reinlist to cover her medical bills and he is currently in Iraq.
I personally served, I went to Nicaragua, Haiti, Desert Storm, and a few actions that are not public knowledge.
I was injured after returning from Desert Storm (idiot backed over me with a truck ). I had my ankle reconstructed with 2 surgeries.
I have had to deal with VA bullsh*t ever since.
Don’t tell me I don’t care about the troops a$$hole.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:56 pmYou keyboard commandos can go to hell for all I care.
Well, MA or VV or whatever she wants to call herself, is now cliaming her “husband” served in Iraq in the lates round? Not really sure what she is trying to say to be honest. I don’t know why you bother with her, she is the turd throwing monkey at the zoo.
A little more on topic, while the military did sign up and pledge to follow orders, there were policies in place to prevent extended tours, and promote time at home. If you look at it by the numbers, in a period of time a little over two years, 27 months to be exact, only 1/3rd of that time is spent at home. the rest is in the pressure cooker of combat.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:58 pmThat money didn’t go to the troops. It went to Illinois farmers and the rest of Barack Obama’s pork projects.
Comment by m12
Prove it. Show me exactly whereinthe bill it says that.
May 10th, 2007 at 1:58 pmLiar
Wayne, I’m very sorry you and your sister have been treated this way. It’s a disgrace.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:00 pmKrazy - My brother is an active duty Naval aviatar — you aren’t fit to shine his boots.
Off and running……..
May 10th, 2007 at 2:06 pmThat was a very short story, Auntie Valiant.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:09 pmComment by Craig Mack — May 10, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
***applause******applause******applause***
May 10th, 2007 at 2:11 pmWayne,
May 10th, 2007 at 2:15 pmI somewhat feel your pain. My father in-law, who served in Vietnam, has suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome ever since he returned home (I wont go into detail of what happened, but it has mentally f-ed him up).
My wife has told me horror stories of growing up in that household.
He finally realized he needs help, and is being treated, but the V.A. keeps giving him the runaround. Our Soldiers DESERVE BETTER!
He’s exhausted, but he won’t give up!
Now that he has grandchildren, he sees what he missed out on with his own children, and he’s promised not to make that mistake again.
Poor dear, deluded VV, completely forgets which President signed off on rushing into a completely unnecessary war & occupation by deliberately sending US troops into battle without enough effective body & vehicle armor
Since VV obviously has NO problem with W’s “send ‘em in without enough equipment to survive”, it’s clear VV cheers every time a US soldier is killed, maimed or traumatized as a result
But hey, VV, you keep spinning away and reaching for the stars, lil’ trooper, maybe your easily-debunked blather will somehow rally the public around our War Mongering ChickenHawk President
And maybe your Dem-bashing will be successful, although, we all saw how well THAT strategy worked for the GOP in November 2006
May 10th, 2007 at 2:15 pm#
Krazy - My brother is an active booty anal invader…
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
There I corrected Valiums post.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:16 pm#
Krazy - My brother is an active duty Naval aviatar — you aren’t fit to shine his boots.
Off and running……..
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
I will put all of it with the story about your supposed deceased child that you joked about, Your “manly” husband, your law practice,and all the rest of the crap you spew. Funny you didn’ respond to any part of what I posted, just made a personal referance about me. Pretty typical.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:22 pmAs for off and running, I am sure you need to go to the welfare office soon, to get your check.
Wayne, I’m very sorry you and your sister have been treated this way. It’s a disgrace.
Comment by Bluedog49
Personally, I gave up trying to see a doc at the VA years ago, since it takes so long to get to see a doctor. I have good insurance from my employer now though.
My sister’s ordeal pisses me off royally. My dad, retired from AF, is pissed, and voted Democrat last Nov. ( something that supprised me )
The last 6 years have been total hell for most vets dealing with the mess Republicans have made of the VA. It wasn’t real good before that, but it is real bad now.
My injury doesn’t slow me much, except I can’t run or jog anymore because of the pain it causes and my ankle sets off security scanners in airports, which is always a pain in the ass LOL
May 10th, 2007 at 2:22 pmYou also sworre to not follow illegal orders. I know I took the same oath.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:23 pmValiant Venus: “My brother is an active duty Naval aviatar — you aren’t fit to shine his boots.”
How about President Codpiece? Is he fit to shine your brother’s boots?
May 10th, 2007 at 2:25 pmValiant,
Way to avoid my comments after I gave you the courtesy of a response.
Comment by Craig Mack — May 10, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
Above is Valium Venus as a typical Republican disrespecting the troops.
Craig Mack,
Unfortunately, offering a valid response to VV is a waste of your time and effort. Valium Venus is a Republican sociopath where the only purpose of her posts is to disrupt and to spread disinformation and sorrow. You’ll have to forgive her though, as this is how a person behaves when they have a crippled personality and no conscience.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:28 pmKrazy - My brother is an active duty Naval aviatar — you aren’t fit to shine his boots.
Off and running……..
Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
If your brother is an active duty aviator then you may want to learn how to spell aviator.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:30 pmMaybe our anorexic shizo meant her brother was an active duty Naval avatar.
And what does avatar mean?
The term “avatar” can also refer to the personality connected with the screen name, or handle, of an Internet user
Makes more sense now, doesn’t it
May 10th, 2007 at 2:38 pmWhat makes sense is MA or VV or whatever her nick is, is a mental house shut, with an active fantasy life.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:42 pmDon’t tell me I don’t care about the troops a$$hole.
You keyboard commandos can go to hell for all I care.
Comment by Wayne — May 10, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
typical liberal wacko who claims to have served. Retard, I don’t go around telling the whole world what I have or have not done. so don’t go fucking assuming that those that you disagree with haven’t done anything for God and country.
typical pathetic liberal drivel.
the keyboard commanders are all over the left wing.
compare how many Republicans have served in the military versus those that are Democrats and served.
the keyboard commanders are all over the Democratic Party.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:42 pmKrazy - My brother is an active duty Naval aviatar — you aren’t fit to shine his boots. Off and running…….. Comment by valiant venus — May 10, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
Dear st*pid c*nt - *Aviatars* play on their XBox like you. While *Aviators* fly planes. You aren’t fit to eat the sh*t from an *Aviator*, you unamerican, autocratic Nazi piece of filth.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:43 pmHow many more lives are they going to ruin. The suicide and divorce rate for our military is already sky high. I can’t imagine how this won’t make things much worse. These poor people are sent into a slaughterhouse and if they make it out alive, most will have severe mental problems to deal with. Right now a third of active and retired military from Iraq suffer from PTSD. Pretty soon it will be half and who knows what it will be by the time the Republics decide to stop being murderers and do the right thing. I hold them responsible for every military death after today. It is because of them these people are being killed.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:43 pmComment by DRxJ — May 10, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Another perfect portrait of the pestilent puss provided by the pill pusher.
Thanks Doc
May 10th, 2007 at 2:45 pmHow many more lives are they going to ruin. The suicide and divorce rate for our military is already sky high. I can’t imagine how this won’t make things much worse. These poor people are sent into a slaughterhouse and if they make it out alive, most will have severe mental problems to deal with. Right now a third of active and retired military from Iraq suffer from PTSD. Pretty soon it will be half and who knows what it will be by the time the Republics decide to stop being murderers and do the right thing. I hold them responsible for every military death after today. It is because of them these people are being killed.
Comment by Katie — May 10, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
Katie, no one in the military is a victim. Why do you Liberals love to make people victims? why?
believe me, a true military person doesn’t consider themselves victims. So you can take your fake sympathy for the military and shove it where the sun don’t shine.
Military personnel don’t like to be victimized by the ridiculous and pathetic left.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:47 pmComment by DRxJ
I cannot watch war movies at all. I have to leave the house if they are on. The dreams that make me wake in a cold sweat still happen now and then as well. It never goes away,but you can learn to deal with it.
My father-in-law (my ex’s dad) was at pearl harbor, then served on the Enterprise the rest of WWII. He cannot watch war movies either.
Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome affects more soldiers than you know, even though for some it is not as severe.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:48 pmVV sez (emphasis mine):
That’s the funniest damned thing I’ve seen all week.
Where’d you pass the bar, VV…and how many box-tops did it take? ^_^
May 10th, 2007 at 2:50 pmTo the men and women in service of this Country:
This left-leaning independent wishes to thank you for your hard work and dedication in service to the ideals of this Country. I still believe that your commander in chief’s misguided ideals are a threat to this country, but contrary to what the trolls here say, I hold you as a group _not_ responsible for the misbehavior of the President or the few troops responsible for the likes of Abu Graibh. I honor your service and sacrifice even as I curse the name of he who sends you to battle in a war of choice.
To the trolls: Vietnam makes you foam at the mouth. You foam when your pet war is compared to this war, and you foam at the mouth at the chance to compare the behavior the troops received at the end of the Vietnam war to what you think (or dare I ask…_hope_…) the troops will receive at the end of the Iraq war.
I’m going to be the first to suggest massive celebrations for the troops when they return to America, accepting them as heroes and defenders of freedom. I’m going to be the first to suggest they be met with open arms, and welcomed back here to the United States. When Commander Codpiece (heh) is finally gone, I hope the NEXT President of the United States recognizes these men and women for who they really are, selfless defenders of freedom and peace here in the United States. Hopefully gone will be these concepts of ‘Homeland’ and ‘terraist’ (distinguished from terrorists, which bear very little relation to the concept expressed in ‘terraist’…), replaced with the sentiments expressed in the following short poem. Perhaps you’ve heard it…
“I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice _for all_.”
(Betcha yer suprised to hear that that brought a twinge of patriotic pride in my mind to recite that, trolls. You might have to twist it up, maybe add a few words to it so it makes us Libruls run screaming from it. Maybe add ‘under God’ to that ‘one nation’ line up there? Yeah, it kinda ruins the flow. I like the original better. Thanks for your time!)
May 10th, 2007 at 2:53 pmHater: “Military personnel don’t like to be victimized by the ridiculous and pathetic left.”
Amazing. With almost every post, the hater shows a profound lack of intelligence and common sense. Calling someone a “victim” doesn’t “victimize” them. Perpetrating a crime on someone makes that someone a victim of a crime. Think, hater, think. Do you even have the capacity to think?
May 10th, 2007 at 2:53 pmand yet they ovrewhelmingly voted for bush in both elections, and eat the daily pablum fed to them from rush limpdick via armed forces radio. not to sound crass but, you got what was coming to you.
May 10th, 2007 at 2:58 pmTooodles…..
Comment by valiant venus
Your cousin needs a bullet in the back of the head.
May 10th, 2007 at 3:03 pmHere Here Jeremy.
and for Wayne, Spudge_Boy, hacker bob, Craig Mack, and others I’m forgetting.
(For those about to rock), We as Americans SALUTE YOU, AND COMMEND YOU, EACH AND EVERY DAY, FOR YOUR SERVICE!
May 10th, 2007 at 3:03 pmYou also sworre to not follow illegal orders. I know I took the same oath.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Yeppers.
This is it.
I, (insert your name), do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
May 10th, 2007 at 3:05 pmKatie, no one in the military is a victim.
Comment by valiantthehater
You tell ‘em, Auntie Valiant!
See, you liberal dummies! Not only does my Auntie Valiant tell the best stories, she knows EVERYBODY IN THE MILITARY!
And she’s a lawyer, you know.
May 10th, 2007 at 3:12 pmPost Traumatic Stress Syndrome affects more soldiers than you know, even though for some it is not as severe.
Comment by Wayne
This is another reason to rebutt the stupid argument that War is natural in humans. Bull crap.
May 10th, 2007 at 3:16 pmDo we have an army of soldiers or Pvt. Benjamin’s? When you join the military there is nothing set in stone. Sure it would be great to get a full year or more back home, but for some reason this Defense Department that rakes in nearly half a trillion dollars per year can’t seem to scrounge up more than a couple of a hundred thousand troops to fight. Maybe we should cancel a lot of those big ticket toys we’re buying. The reasons for our so-called broken army is another debate. You’re in the service now. If you paid attention before you enlisted you should have realized that war doesn’t follow a timetable.