The msm media in this country is a joke. They should all be torn down from top to bottom and held accountable for the cheerleading of this Iraq fiasco. And John M, kindly go f*ck yourself you facist pig.
The msm media in this country is a joke. They should all be torn down from top to bottom and held accountable for the cheerleading of this Iraq fiasco. And John M, kindly go f*ck yourself you facist pig.
Comment by Topper Harley
Where have they been cheerleading? The media has done nothing of the sort, if anything they have been doing the opposite.
Where have they been cheerleading? The media has done nothing of the sort, if anything they have been doing the opposite.
Comment by John M — May 11, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Obviously you don’t read the NY Times or the Washington Post. But I doubt you read at all.
Is this a new troll I see? Or an old troll with a new name? And why do so many trolls use a first name to log in? Is that supposed to lend authenticity? “See, I’m not a troll. I have a real name. Kinda sorta.”
Oh Yeah! we can thank the liberal Icon, Bill Clinton for the consolidation of the media (Tel communications act of 96).And just like Nafta it has resulted in the degradtion of our country.
Yet for whatever reason many folk talk of Clinton in grand terms.He set back the Dem party big time.And now comes his wife,just as the Dems are beginning to slowly turn away from the Copoarate agenda.the Clintons are ruinous to the Dem party.How long after H.clinton becomes Prez is she going to send us to jail for burning the American Flag ?
John M.: “Where have they been cheerleading? The media has done nothing of the sort, if anything they have been doing the opposite.”
Good god, how does one argue with an insane person. All that excitement about “shock and awe,” the disappearing of all critics (does Scott Ritter ring a bell?), the cancelling of Donehue’s show because he was anti-war (MSNBC’s board admitted this), the breathless “War Room” coverage on all networks, the lack of coverage of flag-draped coffins, the refusal to air anti-war commercials during the last two elections, etc. etc.
John M., there’s no doubt about it – you are certifiable.
Dutch Henry, I agree that NAFTA and media consolidation were Clinton’s biggest mistakes. Capitulating with Republicans on stem cell funding was another. But, remember, Hillary or any Dem that wins in 2008 will be working with a Democratic congress, possibly one with supermajorities. They will not be working with a republican congress intent on bringing them down as Clinton was. I think that will make all the difference in the world.
Lone voice, I’ve got quite a few republican friends who would think John M. was absolutely delusional in his view of how the networks have or have not supported the war. Come on! There are lots of absurd arguments trolls make around here – that one takes the cake.
Good god, how does one argue with an insane person. All that excitement about “shock and awe,†the disappearing of all critics (does Scott Ritter ring a bell?), the cancelling of Donehue’s show because he was anti-war (MSNBC’s board admitted this), the breathless “War Room†coverage on all networks, the lack of coverage of flag-draped coffins, the refusal to air anti-war commercials during the last two elections, etc. etc.
John M., there’s no doubt about it – you are certifiable.
Comment by Bluedog49
You are out of your mind. How many times do they show Bush’s low ratings, the coverage of every attack in Iraq, poll after poll showing how the people are against the war. CNN showing Iraqi sniper killing an American soldier? Coverage of nut-jobs like Cindy Sheehan? I saw a ton of anti war commercials in the last election. You could not be more wrong.
Lone voice, I’ve got quite a few republican friends who would think John M. was absolutely delusional in his view of how the networks have or have not supported the war. Come on! There are lots of absurd arguments trolls make around here – that one takes the cake.
Comment by Bluedog49
I have quite a few democrat friends that would agree that the war has been attacked by the media from the beginning. You are an idiot.
The so called “liberal media” is a tag that was introduced by the neocons so as to have stupid citizens such as John M believe that the media is liberal when in fact is is owned by conservative corporations.
John M., like I said, it’s useless to argue with an insane person. The american public has turned against this war IN SPITE OF the media, not because of it. I suggest you peruse some media watchdogs like Glenn Greenwald, Bob Somerby or even Mediamatters.org. You might learn something. What am I thinking? You can’t learn anything. You’re insane.
And John, maybe you could point out for all of us someone who has been on any network from the beginning of the war who has been an outspoken critic of the war. Anyone. Which pundit has been expressing a consistent anti-war position? I can think of one. Chris Matthews has been against the war in Iraq. Anyone else has lost air time. And, for that matter, Matthews is a disaster anyway. Did you watch the debates?
First question to Dems: Would Patton wipe his boots with Harry Reid for his treasonous behavior?
First question to Repubs: Can we get back to Ronald Reagan’s vision of “morning in America?”
Yeah, John, they’re just a bunch of anti-war lefties. Again, you are insane.
Donehue fired because of anti war comments. Here is a quote from the left’s Messiah, Keith Olbermann.
“I did want to defend (slightly) MSNBC on the Donahue front. I had just returned to the place at the time and got the lay of the land, and I know I’ll be deflating one of the most popular urban legends.
But Donahue was not cancelled because he was anti-war. I have no doubt that was A reason, but probably one of about ten. The show’s ratings fell and soared depending on how much it was advertised; the studio audience was a costly issue; his staff was twice the size of anybody else’s (or mine), and he was, at best, reluctant to adjust. I knew everybody involved in the process, and the Donahue-Was-Cancelled-Because-He-Was-A-L iberal story sounds great, but doesn’t reflect the complexities. Hell, we also killed off Michael Weiner Savage about five months later.”
John M., like I said, it’s useless to argue with an insane person. The american public has turned against this war IN SPITE OF the media, not because of it. I suggest you peruse some media watchdogs like Glenn Greenwald, Bob Somerby or even Mediamatters.org. You might learn something. What am I thinking? You can’t learn anything. You’re insane.
Comment by Bluedog49
Mediamatters.org. Can you at least give an objective source. You are a moron. Opponents of the war have been on since nearly the beginning. They have gotten a ton of airtime. You are just blind.
Mediamatters.org. Can you at least give an objective source. You are a moron. Opponents of the war have been on since nearly the beginning. They have gotten a ton of airtime. You are just blind.
Comment by John M — May 11, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
Bluedog, LoneVoice, you guys shold know better. Trying to have an intelligent discussion with John M is as effective as talking to your TV.
What’s funny is, unless your TV is tuned to Faux Noise, your TV is going to make a whole lot more sense.
John, it would help if you knew what you were talking about. At the time of Donehue’s cancellation, he was the second highest rated show on MSNBC, drawing in 10 times the viewers of Tucker Carlson, who is still employed by the network. And the CEO of MSNBC stated publically that the network was put off by Donehue’s anti-war views so he wasn’t popular with the board. Listen, dumbass, we’re talking about General Electric. Do you think you’re dealing with a bunch of lefties or something? Do you have any idea what the board of General Electric looks like?
And, all Mediamatters does is provide quotes, videos and citations. There really isn’t much opinion in their core reporting. They do have pundits, but the bulk of their reporting is simply restating what happened on any given day in the media. You’re calling me blind and a moron, but you’re the one who has bought into this entire phony war thing. You’re the one who believed all the lies. You’re the one who keeps following the ever-changing talking points and dutifully repeating them like a little parrot. You’re part of the ever-decreasing minority of authoritarian personalities which must follow the leader no matter where he takes you.
I’m the one who didn’t believe there were ties to al Qaeda. I didn’t believe there were WMD’s or a threat to our country. You did. And, you’re calling ME a moron???!!! Man, wise up.
Yeah, yeah, run off and hide you crazy little bastard. John M., people like you are ruining our country. You’re ruining it with slavish devotion to a leader and with stupidity.
John M, here’s a hint; usually trolls start off posing as conservatives who want to engage in debate. You tipped your hand waaaay to early. I bet you giggle uncontrollably when you get three of a kind in poker.
I believe it was the president of cBs “news” that said “we have a better relationship with the white house” after Rather left , so these people are OBVIOUSLY put in place to placate the White House and be cheerleaders for their policies.
Same reason why NOBODY on these shows use the word RESISTANCE, wow then they have to explain why they are resisting, an OCCUPATION, then they have to open the next can of worms, why there is an OCCUPATION. Because of reasons they’ll never discuss, to take control of Iraq’s OIL, privatize all their industry.
When has Blitzer ever reported that Iraqi BANKS can now be 100% U.S. or U.K. owned or that Iraq’s OIL Union is fighting privatization. They won’t bring it up.
There are two huge differences between Gen. Batiste’s so-called “advocacy” versus that of Fouad Ajami, Nicole Wallace, Michael O’Hanlon et al.
1. Batiste’s “advocacy” was done on his own time and not on the CBS television network whereas CBS freely gave network airtime to Ajami, Wallace, O’Hanlon, etc., as a platform to advocate their causes. In the case of Fouad Ajami, CBS even paid him for it.
2. Gen. Batiste’s “advocacy” was clearly identified as such. CBS offered no disclaimers and failed to state in any way that Ajami, Wallace, O’Hanlon and the rest were not objective commentators. In fact, these commentators appeared on CBS precisely to advance their specific ideological agendas.
Merriam-Webster defines hypocrisy thusly:
a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue.
CBS’ stated reason for firing Gen. Batiste is the very textbook definition of hypocrisy.
Don’t forget Katie Couric’s pathetic “Free Speech” segments, including such notables as Sean Hannity.
May 11th, 2007 at 5:53 pmAll the mainstream news media have been repeatedly advocating in favor of Chimpy’s failed war policies for the past 5 years.
It is partly their fault we are in Iraq. They LIED to us.
Corporate media cannot be trusted. They have no journalistic ethics.
May 11th, 2007 at 5:54 pmA proven idiot.
May 11th, 2007 at 5:55 pm“Corporate media cannot be trusted. They have no journalistic ethics.”Agree 120%
Yes they are information prostitutes.And their lying is paid very expensive.
May 11th, 2007 at 5:57 pmKatie Couric is a whore for the Chimpy Regime.
She probably gave Sean Insannity a blowjob.
That bitch has no journalistic ethics whatsoever.
May 11th, 2007 at 5:57 pmIf CBS is a right-wing corporation, then you know they terminated Imus only in the name of “business interests.”
May 11th, 2007 at 6:06 pmAll the mainstream news media have been repeatedly advocating in favor of Chimpy’s failed war policies for the past 5 years.
Comment by Tom3
What news have you been watching? I could not disagree more.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:10 pmWatch Robin Meade, she practicly shudders at the mention of Bush , it’s hilarious.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:19 pmThe msm media in this country is a joke. They should all be torn down from top to bottom and held accountable for the cheerleading of this Iraq fiasco. And John M, kindly go f*ck yourself you facist pig.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:19 pmThe msm media in this country is a joke. They should all be torn down from top to bottom and held accountable for the cheerleading of this Iraq fiasco. And John M, kindly go f*ck yourself you facist pig.
Comment by Topper Harley
Where have they been cheerleading? The media has done nothing of the sort, if anything they have been doing the opposite.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:30 pmWhere have they been cheerleading? The media has done nothing of the sort, if anything they have been doing the opposite.
Comment by John M — May 11, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Obviously you don’t read the NY Times or the Washington Post. But I doubt you read at all.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:35 pmLet’s not forget, folks, John M is a global warming denier, which automatically confers a complete loss of credibility.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:36 pmIs this a new troll I see? Or an old troll with a new name? And why do so many trolls use a first name to log in? Is that supposed to lend authenticity? “See, I’m not a troll. I have a real name. Kinda sorta.”
May 11th, 2007 at 6:39 pmOh Yeah! we can thank the liberal Icon, Bill Clinton for the consolidation of the media (Tel communications act of 96).And just like Nafta it has resulted in the degradtion of our country.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:50 pmYet for whatever reason many folk talk of Clinton in grand terms.He set back the Dem party big time.And now comes his wife,just as the Dems are beginning to slowly turn away from the Copoarate agenda.the Clintons are ruinous to the Dem party.How long after H.clinton becomes Prez is she going to send us to jail for burning the American Flag ?
cbs.com…
…let THEM KNOW you KNOW…
May 11th, 2007 at 6:51 pmJohn M.: “Where have they been cheerleading? The media has done nothing of the sort, if anything they have been doing the opposite.”
Good god, how does one argue with an insane person. All that excitement about “shock and awe,” the disappearing of all critics (does Scott Ritter ring a bell?), the cancelling of Donehue’s show because he was anti-war (MSNBC’s board admitted this), the breathless “War Room” coverage on all networks, the lack of coverage of flag-draped coffins, the refusal to air anti-war commercials during the last two elections, etc. etc.
John M., there’s no doubt about it – you are certifiable.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:52 pmJohn M around here if you keep saying something that doesn’t make it true.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:52 pmBluedog I really think some people (John M) put some kind of intelligence filter on their TV, radio, or computer when they are watching the news.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:57 pmDutch Henry, I agree that NAFTA and media consolidation were Clinton’s biggest mistakes. Capitulating with Republicans on stem cell funding was another. But, remember, Hillary or any Dem that wins in 2008 will be working with a Democratic congress, possibly one with supermajorities. They will not be working with a republican congress intent on bringing them down as Clinton was. I think that will make all the difference in the world.
May 11th, 2007 at 6:59 pmLone voice, I’ve got quite a few republican friends who would think John M. was absolutely delusional in his view of how the networks have or have not supported the war. Come on! There are lots of absurd arguments trolls make around here – that one takes the cake.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:02 pmGood god, how does one argue with an insane person. All that excitement about “shock and awe,†the disappearing of all critics (does Scott Ritter ring a bell?), the cancelling of Donehue’s show because he was anti-war (MSNBC’s board admitted this), the breathless “War Room†coverage on all networks, the lack of coverage of flag-draped coffins, the refusal to air anti-war commercials during the last two elections, etc. etc.
John M., there’s no doubt about it – you are certifiable.
Comment by Bluedog49
You are out of your mind. How many times do they show Bush’s low ratings, the coverage of every attack in Iraq, poll after poll showing how the people are against the war. CNN showing Iraqi sniper killing an American soldier? Coverage of nut-jobs like Cindy Sheehan? I saw a ton of anti war commercials in the last election. You could not be more wrong.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:08 pmLone voice, I’ve got quite a few republican friends who would think John M. was absolutely delusional in his view of how the networks have or have not supported the war. Come on! There are lots of absurd arguments trolls make around here – that one takes the cake.
Comment by Bluedog49
I have quite a few democrat friends that would agree that the war has been attacked by the media from the beginning. You are an idiot.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:09 pmThe so called “liberal media” is a tag that was introduced by the neocons so as to have stupid citizens such as John M believe that the media is liberal when in fact is is owned by conservative corporations.
http://www.mediaed.org/videos/CommercialismPoliticsAndMedia/TheMythoftheLiberalMedia
http://www.makethemaccountable.com/myth/LiberalMedia.htm
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030224/alterman2
May 11th, 2007 at 7:15 pmJohn M., like I said, it’s useless to argue with an insane person. The american public has turned against this war IN SPITE OF the media, not because of it. I suggest you peruse some media watchdogs like Glenn Greenwald, Bob Somerby or even Mediamatters.org. You might learn something. What am I thinking? You can’t learn anything. You’re insane.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:17 pmAnd John, maybe you could point out for all of us someone who has been on any network from the beginning of the war who has been an outspoken critic of the war. Anyone. Which pundit has been expressing a consistent anti-war position? I can think of one. Chris Matthews has been against the war in Iraq. Anyone else has lost air time. And, for that matter, Matthews is a disaster anyway. Did you watch the debates?
First question to Dems: Would Patton wipe his boots with Harry Reid for his treasonous behavior?
First question to Repubs: Can we get back to Ronald Reagan’s vision of “morning in America?”
Yeah, John, they’re just a bunch of anti-war lefties. Again, you are insane.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:21 pmDonehue fired because of anti war comments. Here is a quote from the left’s Messiah, Keith Olbermann.
“I did want to defend (slightly) MSNBC on the Donahue front. I had just returned to the place at the time and got the lay of the land, and I know I’ll be deflating one of the most popular urban legends.
But Donahue was not cancelled because he was anti-war. I have no doubt that was A reason, but probably one of about ten. The show’s ratings fell and soared depending on how much it was advertised; the studio audience was a costly issue; his staff was twice the size of anybody else’s (or mine), and he was, at best, reluctant to adjust. I knew everybody involved in the process, and the Donahue-Was-Cancelled-Because-He-Was-A-L iberal story sounds great, but doesn’t reflect the complexities. Hell, we also killed off Michael Weiner Savage about five months later.”
May 11th, 2007 at 7:23 pmJohn M., like I said, it’s useless to argue with an insane person. The american public has turned against this war IN SPITE OF the media, not because of it. I suggest you peruse some media watchdogs like Glenn Greenwald, Bob Somerby or even Mediamatters.org. You might learn something. What am I thinking? You can’t learn anything. You’re insane.
Comment by Bluedog49
Mediamatters.org. Can you at least give an objective source. You are a moron. Opponents of the war have been on since nearly the beginning. They have gotten a ton of airtime. You are just blind.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:24 pmI’m out of here, it is impossible to discuss things with an insane person. Unfortunately you are mistaken on which one is insane.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:26 pmAnother thread, another food fight. Oh to be back in Grade School!
May 11th, 2007 at 7:27 pmMediamatters.org. Can you at least give an objective source. You are a moron. Opponents of the war have been on since nearly the beginning. They have gotten a ton of airtime. You are just blind.
Comment by John M — May 11, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
Bluedog, LoneVoice, you guys shold know better. Trying to have an intelligent discussion with John M is as effective as talking to your TV.
What’s funny is, unless your TV is tuned to Faux Noise, your TV is going to make a whole lot more sense.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:32 pmJohn, it would help if you knew what you were talking about. At the time of Donehue’s cancellation, he was the second highest rated show on MSNBC, drawing in 10 times the viewers of Tucker Carlson, who is still employed by the network. And the CEO of MSNBC stated publically that the network was put off by Donehue’s anti-war views so he wasn’t popular with the board. Listen, dumbass, we’re talking about General Electric. Do you think you’re dealing with a bunch of lefties or something? Do you have any idea what the board of General Electric looks like?
And, all Mediamatters does is provide quotes, videos and citations. There really isn’t much opinion in their core reporting. They do have pundits, but the bulk of their reporting is simply restating what happened on any given day in the media. You’re calling me blind and a moron, but you’re the one who has bought into this entire phony war thing. You’re the one who believed all the lies. You’re the one who keeps following the ever-changing talking points and dutifully repeating them like a little parrot. You’re part of the ever-decreasing minority of authoritarian personalities which must follow the leader no matter where he takes you.
I’m the one who didn’t believe there were ties to al Qaeda. I didn’t believe there were WMD’s or a threat to our country. You did. And, you’re calling ME a moron???!!! Man, wise up.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:43 pmYeah, yeah, run off and hide you crazy little bastard. John M., people like you are ruining our country. You’re ruining it with slavish devotion to a leader and with stupidity.
May 11th, 2007 at 7:45 pmJohn M is either a conservofacist instigator or a complete moron. either way, ignore it.
May 11th, 2007 at 9:12 pmJohn M, here’s a hint; usually trolls start off posing as conservatives who want to engage in debate. You tipped your hand waaaay to early. I bet you giggle uncontrollably when you get three of a kind in poker.
May 11th, 2007 at 9:14 pmI believe it was the president of cBs “news” that said “we have a better relationship with the white house” after Rather left , so these people are OBVIOUSLY put in place to placate the White House and be cheerleaders for their policies.
May 11th, 2007 at 11:52 pmSame reason why NOBODY on these shows use the word RESISTANCE, wow then they have to explain why they are resisting, an OCCUPATION, then they have to open the next can of worms, why there is an OCCUPATION. Because of reasons they’ll never discuss, to take control of Iraq’s OIL, privatize all their industry.
When has Blitzer ever reported that Iraqi BANKS can now be 100% U.S. or U.K. owned or that Iraq’s OIL Union is fighting privatization. They won’t bring it up.
There are two huge differences between Gen. Batiste’s so-called “advocacy” versus that of Fouad Ajami, Nicole Wallace, Michael O’Hanlon et al.
1. Batiste’s “advocacy” was done on his own time and not on the CBS television network whereas CBS freely gave network airtime to Ajami, Wallace, O’Hanlon, etc., as a platform to advocate their causes. In the case of Fouad Ajami, CBS even paid him for it.
2. Gen. Batiste’s “advocacy” was clearly identified as such. CBS offered no disclaimers and failed to state in any way that Ajami, Wallace, O’Hanlon and the rest were not objective commentators. In fact, these commentators appeared on CBS precisely to advance their specific ideological agendas.
Merriam-Webster defines hypocrisy thusly:
CBS’ stated reason for firing Gen. Batiste is the very textbook definition of hypocrisy.
AF
May 12th, 2007 at 12:30 amCnservative Broadcasting Service?
May 12th, 2007 at 1:58 amTesting
May 14th, 2007 at 9:32 am