Conservatives ‘Declare War’ on House GOP Over Appointment of Scandal-Plagued Calvert
Conservatives ‘Declare War’ on House GOP Over Appointment of Scandal-Plagued Calvert
On Wednesday, House conservatives appointed Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA) to replace embattled Rep. John Doolittle (R-CA) on the House Appropriations Committee. ThinkProgress noted the irony in this appointment, as Calvert has been scandal-plagued for years, using earmarks to make millions of dollars in personal profits.
Yesterday, Rep. Ray LaHood (R-IL) publicly spoke out against Calvert’s appointment:
I care a lot about the House of Representatives, I care a lot about our members and once someone is ethically challenged and gets in trouble it effects all of us. … I appreciate the high ethical standards that [Boehner] has set … but I believe the bar was lowered today when our conference chose to vote Ken Calvert onto the Appropriations Committee.
Prominent members of the conservative blogosphere are echoing LaHood’s disgust with Calvert’s history. RedState proclaims today, “We must fight the House GOP and we must fight today”:
Today, I declare war on the Republican leadership of the United States House of Representatives. We must scalp one member. That member’s name is Ken Calvert. … This is the man House Republicans chose to replace John Doolittle. They just don’t get it. So now I declare war. Who is with me?
Ankle Biting Pundits joins RedState:
I am deeply troubled that the GOP still does not appear to get it with respect to the corrupting influence of pork. I’m sick of it. Sick and tired. We are either the party or small, clean government or we are the party that merely rewards a different set of friends than the other party. … I have called Rep. Boehner’s office and expressed my deep irritation at this move. I hope you all will, too. Be sure to identify yourself, as I have, as a conservative Republican.
The conservative blogosphere is exactly right on this one. Boehner needs to be called out on his corrupt choice. Call his office at (202) 225-4000 and demand he appoint a member to the Appropriations Committee with a clean record.
UPDATE: Politico picks up on the anti-Calvert movement, and adds:
Members were quietly brooding over the Calvert move on Thursday and similarly disgruntled about the Steering Committee’s decision to allow Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-Calif.) to maintain his hold as the ranking Republican on the appropriations panel.
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May 11th, 2007 at 1:58 pm“ThinkProgress noted the irony in this appointment, as Calvert has been scandal-clad for years, using earmarks to make millions of dollars in personal profits.”
Do they have anyone they can appoint who isn’t ’scandal clad’?
May 11th, 2007 at 2:00 pmI implore people in this thread not to be too smug. This appears to be another move towards restoring the best characteristics of a party that doesn’t always have the best motives. Offer encouragement.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:00 pmCould it be that there really ARE principled conservatives? I was afraid they had died out.
This is a good sign for our nation. If conservatives can restore some of the integrity to the Republican Party that the neocons have stripped out and sold for scrap, we’ll all be better off. The more honesty and integrity in our politics, the better.
Yes, even better for liberals, since the facts and logic are mostly on our side. After all, reality has that well-known liberal bias.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:04 pmDayum bloggers. I wish they didn’t exist. -Yoo
Heh. I wonder if Yoos’ critique of bloggers includes conservative ones?
It surely does now!!
Way to go conservative bloggers!
May 11th, 2007 at 2:06 pmHey ,didn’t that guy play Porky ?
May 11th, 2007 at 2:07 pmLooks like these Repukes are trying to salvage their own careers by loudly throwing the worst of their numbers under the bus.
Nice try, but get back over there with your own kind, Repukes.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:07 pmThis appears to be another move towards restoring the best characteristics of a party that doesn’t always have the best motives.
“Best characteristics?”
You would be hard-pressed to name ANY redeeming qualities of the GOP.
Sadly, they’ve been showing America nothing but the boot-heel of these “best characteristics,” since taking power.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:07 pm“…demand he appoint a member to the Appropriations Committee with a clean record.”
there lies the rub! it’s difficult to find a Republicant member of Congress who is “clean”
May 11th, 2007 at 2:15 pmmailbox is full…
May 11th, 2007 at 2:17 pmHmmmm, I thought being ethically challenged was a GOP pre-requisite for an appointment to the appropriations committee, isn’t that where they put delay after he was booted from the leadership? Hard to find a bigger crook than tommy, but apparently they’re trying. In any case, good for those who are calling for change.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:18 pmRay LaHood must have gotten cut out of the Republic666an cash-in on the American dream, and man he’s pissed
May 11th, 2007 at 2:19 pmThis is good. I applaud the efforts to clean up some of the corruption in Washington. The only downside is that it plays to the Dems’ contention that the Repubs are all corrupt. You don’t see any Dems being thrown under the bus, do you? What happened to William Jefferson, Democrat, LA, after he was found to have 90,000 in cash in his freezer? Nothing. What happened to Diane Feinstein, Democrat, CA, found to have been funneling business to her husband’s business? Nothing. What happened to Harry Reid, Democrat, NV, who was found to have made some big money on the sale of a building he didn’t own? Nothing. When a Dem is found to be corrupt, the Dems circle the wagons. When a Rep is found to be corrupt, he goes to jail (Randy what’s his name in San Diego), or he loses his job (unsubstantiated charges against Tom DeLay – who by the way was dealing with the same guy as Nancy Pelosi got money from).
May 11th, 2007 at 2:19 pmI’m glad Repubs try to get rid of the bad guys. When are Dems going to start?
Ye gods, that’s some serious neck fat on that critter.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:21 pmIt seems to have worked for the Republican party so far, throwing out for consideration the worst and the sleaziest candidates, ’cause sometimes even these losers get appointed (Gonzales, etc.)
May 11th, 2007 at 2:22 pmWorse yet, the next one to be offered is accepted because he or she is not as bad as the first, and often potentially more dangerous.
(Example – Harriet Miers / John Roberts)
I keep waiting (in vain it seems) for true conservatives to realize that overt, widespread corruption is a bad thing. Maybe it’s time.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:27 pmnow they’re sick and tired? NOW?
where the hell have they been for the last 6 years?
now they’re sick and tired. sheesh.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:27 pmLITERALLY ONE TOTALLY CORRUPT POLITICAL PARASITE LEAVES
AND
THE
NEXT
TOTALLY CORRUPT POLITICAL PARASITE COMES IN :)
A
N
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http://WWW.CORRUPTIONCHRONICLES.COM = NANCY PELOSI CORRUPTION
DATED 5/8/2007… OH YEAH RIGHT CLEANING UP EARKMARKS/LOBBYISTS =
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WHITE HOUSE
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FEDERAL FOOD AND DRUG ADMIN.
TOTALLY CORRUPT
CONGRESS
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DEPT OF DEFENSE
TOTALLY CORRUPT
“FED”/CENTRAL BANKS, DEPT OF TREASURY
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ALL THE WONDERFUL SERVICES WE ALL DESPERATELY NEED, SO YOU
GET 1/3 AND WE GET 2/3′RD ($.66 TAXES PER $1 EARNED), BUT I
CAN’T GET THE SERVICE… DOESN’T MATTER
BUT JACKY KNOWS LINDA KNOW TIMOTHY KNOWS GETS A NICE FAT
GOVERNMENT CONTRACT, INEFFICIENT, WASTE…. LEGAL BRIBES,
OUTRIGHT HOODLUMS PARADOXED AS PUBLIC SERVANTS
AND THE SOLUTION……. GO SHOPPING MORE…
FRIGGIN
IDIOT
BUSH AND ALL HIS TOTALLY CORRUPTED CRONY’S
POLITICAL
PARASITES
LEECHES
TICKS
MAGGOTS
ROACHES
SCUM
IN A CESSPOOL OF TOTAL CORRUPT ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU DOG GONE
PUKE THEM OUT OF OFFICE DUDE… BUT YOU CAN’T BECAUSE
IT’S RIGGED DUDE RIGGED
ARE THEIR ANY FRIGGIN PUBLIC SERVANTS THAT SERVE US PEOPLE
May 11th, 2007 at 2:28 pmANYMORE OR ARE THEY ALL FRIGGIN CORRUPTED DUDE?
Lets just abolish both the Democratic/Republican parties and start over. They’re both a scandal-plagued mess. Democrats just do a better job at keeping their corrupt dealings under the table and away from the media.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:28 pmI applaude any effort from either side of the aisle to drain the swamp in Washington. It’s way past time…
May 11th, 2007 at 2:29 pmFrankly todays elected Republicans are not conservatives at all, but neocons ( fascists). It is good to see some conservatives speak out, finally.
Now if they would truely show their conservative roots and speak out against Bush and his violations of the Constitution, US and international law, as well as violating his Oath of Office, then they will have actually gained some small bit of credibility after years of supporting Bush’s antics.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:31 pmLets just abolish both the Democratic/Republican parties and start over. They’re both a scandal-plagued mess. Democrats just do a better job at keeping their corrupt dealings under the table and away from the media.
Comment by Joe — May 11, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
Any evidence that “Democrats just do a better job at keeping their corrupt dealings under the table and away from the media”, Jake?
May 11th, 2007 at 2:34 pm“Democrats just do a better job at keeping their corrupt dealings under the table and away from the media.”
that’s a pre-’93 mindset.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:35 pmConservatives with ethics? Bull. They are just concerned that if the public sees a bit too much corruption that they just might realize the mistake they are making when they vote repukian mafia types into office.
It’s all about staying in power at any cost, screw the country, they want power and money.
Why do conservatives hate Amercia?
Hating the repukian mafia daily
May 11th, 2007 at 2:35 pmWayne, your right. A by-the-book, genuine conservative is a rarity these days.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:36 pm#8 – I was referring to the comment from the AnkleBiters about being the party of “small, clean government.” Unlike a lot of multi-generational liberals, I am a first-gen. My parents were Republican, and I understand why. They liked the idea of conservatism, reduced regulation, a higher standard for personal/public performance, and would be pretty revolted by the party today.
Maybe that’s part of the problem. There appears to be a generation gap in the GOP, between the old guard who knew the results by the tried process and knew what reputation was worth and why, and the new campus Republicans who prefer cheat notes and style over research and substance.
You will never eliminate conservatism, but it isn’t a stretch to get it in touch with its humanity. Give it a fighting chance at reforming itself.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:41 pmThey do nothing but lie, cheat, steal, and give the Dubya anything he wants. The GOP is worthless and should be put to rest.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:45 pmComment by pgw
Pre-’93? Whatever that means. Corruption doesn’t become extinct, and the Democratic party is no exception. Democrats are simply enjoying the benefits of immunity provided to them by the constant, overpouring sympathy of William Clinton (who I thought to be a good president).
Comment by KRank
They likely do get a free pass, with some exceptions, and I don’t think anyone has to write a legal brief just to prove it. I think it’s tantamount to common knowledge.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:45 pmYesterday, Rep. Ray LaHood (R-IL) publicly spoke out against Calvert’s appointment….
Uh huh, right LaHood. You have a lot of credibility right now. **yawn**
May 11th, 2007 at 2:46 pmThe Republican party should be banned!
May 11th, 2007 at 2:49 pmThwere should be De-Republicanaztion after Hillary takes power!
Jay,
May 11th, 2007 at 2:50 pmI agree with you. The Democrats should ban the Republican part and their leaders should be thrown in jail!
They (Democrats) likely do get a free pass, with some exceptions, and I don’t think anyone has to write a legal brief just to prove it. I think it’s tantamount to common knowledge.
Comment by Joe — May 11, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
That’s a pretty rigorous standard of proof you’ve got there, Jake. No wonder your arguments win over so many liberals.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:53 pmNo Hillary. No Romney. No McCain. No Obama. How about a stern moderate and non-rhetorical visionary for Pres.?
May 11th, 2007 at 2:53 pm“Democrats are simply enjoying the benefits of immunity provided to them by the constant, overpouring sympathy of William Clinton”
huh? is your last name klein?
May 11th, 2007 at 2:54 pmAnd Democrats put Jefferson back in charge in the House.
What a difference.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:55 pmDUDE
POLITICAL
PARASITES
MAGGOTS
TICKS
ROACHES
LEECHES
THAT’S WHAT THEY ARE IN MY BOOK, HOPEFULLY THERE ARE STILL
PUBLIC SERVANTS THAT STILL SERVE US
BUT
IN
THIS
CESSPOOL
OF TOTAL POLITICAL CORRUPTION
ITS
ENOUGH
TO
MAKE
YOU PUKE
THIS CESSPOOL
OF SCUM OUT
BUT YOU CAN’T DUDE…. THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED
DUDE
RIGGED
YES ONE CORRUPT HOODLUM LEAVES AND THE NEXT ONE
IMMEDIATELY COMES IN
ADD IN THE FRIGGIN REVOLVING DOOR BETWEEN PUBLIC PRIVATE
AND WE GOT ONE FRIGGIN CESSPOOL
K STREET
TOTALLY CORRUPT
SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS
OFTEN CORRUPT
LOBBYISTS
OFTEN, VERY OFTEN CORRUPT
LITERALLY A BUNCH OF POLITICAL LEECHES
May 11th, 2007 at 2:55 pmA BUNCH OF HOODLUMS SWIMMING IN A SEA OF CORRUPTION
Joe,
May 11th, 2007 at 2:56 pmHillary will save this nation.
She will use the FBI to destroy the Republican party! That GOP is a terror outfit that must be destroyed!
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr.
If you leave only one party standing, they’ll have no competition and seek to abuse their power. In the end, the people would want the “banned” party to rejoin the fray.
May 11th, 2007 at 2:57 pmTHE REAL TRUTH IS
PELOSI
IS
A
PRO
AS
A
SWINDLER
http://www.corruptionchronicles.com/
AND RELATED TO THIS POST
ONE TOTALLY CORRUPT PARASITE LEAVES
&
NEXT TOTALLY CORRUPT PARASITES COMES IN.
IN FACT IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, SEEMS LIKE THIS TOTAL CORRUPTION
OF TOTALLY CORRUPT POLITICAL PARASITES GOES ON
FRIGGIN
ALL
THE
TIME
FRIGGIN DISGUSTING DUDE
May 11th, 2007 at 3:00 pmWayne, your right. A by-the-book, genuine conservative is a rarity these days.
Comment by Joe
I actually agree with most Real conservative viewpoints as far as the constitution, Bill of rights, etc. My idea of gun control is learning to aim well.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:00 pmI do believe in making the lives of Americans better, Health care, taking care of those who can’t help themselves,
I disagree with forein aid, as long as 1 american does not have a job, health insurance or is homeless, not one dime should go to another country. Take care of our own first, before we spend anything on another country.
Comment by KRank
Not “Jake.” Who is “Jake?”
Comment by pgw
Is your last name “douche?”
May 11th, 2007 at 3:01 pm#
And Democrats put Jefferson back in charge in the House.
What a difference.
Comment by m12 — May 11, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
#
Actually Pelosi was extremely against him. I remember when the Jefferson scandal broke and everyone here was screaming to throw him out, including me. It was the republican trolls who were the only ones defending him.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:01 pmJay,
Sure, the radical, neo-conned partition of the GOP should be destroyed, but I don’t think we should destroy the Republican party in general.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:03 pmI like how Joe adopts the “we’re obviously corrupt, so they must be too” line of attack, and then defends it by invoking the invisibility of comparable Democratic transgressions that he blames on a “free pass” from the media.
“Oh, the evidence is there — you just can’t see it. But trust me.”
What a tool.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:04 pmThis does nothing but embolden the enemy, who is, namely, the Democrats
May 11th, 2007 at 3:05 pmComment by KRank
Not “Jake.†Who is “Jake?â€
Comment by Joe — May 11, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
Jake, you do this every time, and it doesn’t fool anyone.
Seems to me that if you werent Jake, you would have caught it the first time you replied.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:06 pmThe Republican party should be banned!
Thwere should be De-Republicanaztion after Hillary takes power!
Comment by Jay Randal
Haven’t you learned from the last 6 years?
May 11th, 2007 at 3:07 pm1 party rule is a BAD THING.
The Dems in the past have sometimes been just as bad as the Republicans have for the last 6 years
Republicans eating their own.
There is some good in everything, like there are some conscious Republicans who are generally good at heart.
But overall, the present Republicans are like the soldier ants/bees, they only march to one tune – Carl Rove.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:08 pm“Is your last name “douche?â€
Comment by Joe”
guess not. joe klein would’ve posted something mildly funny. although, “How about a stern moderate and non-rhetorical visionary for Pres.?” was pretty funny.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:09 pm#
This does nothing but embolden the enemy, who is, namely, the Democrats
Comment by Mr. President — May 11, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
#
Well, at least you are honest. Most trolls try to make people believe they care.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:10 pmComment by KRank
That’s not Jake.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:11 pmNice to see some start standing up for basic principles. There is plenty of room for housecleaning in both parties. Still, for now:
the Republican Way–
May 11th, 2007 at 3:12 pmDOOLITTLE & DELAY
Comment by mikey r
That would “tool” is one of 25 in your vocabulary. You’re map is outdated, get yourself a new one. A one-party system in any country is corrupt in its own way.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:15 pmHey chris, was that you who said you went on rep. blogs and post hitler quotes
May 11th, 2007 at 3:15 pmThat’s not Jake.
Comment by Wayne — May 11, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
What makes you think so? Sure sounds like Jake to me.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:16 pmComment by pgw
I’m glad you support a one-party corrupt system. Due to bigots like yourself, a moderate may never be elected to office. So funny, huh? huh….
May 11th, 2007 at 3:18 pmKRank…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………I’m not Jake.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:20 pmWhat makes you think so? Sure sounds like Jake to me.
Comment by KRank
Because Jake NEVER critiques the Republicans, he walks lock step with Bushco. Though Jake claimed to be Independant, he is pure neocon scum.
Joe actually has more of a libertarian type viewpoint from the posts I read so far.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:22 pmMr. Precedent, sir, it’s time for your meds and a nap… sir
May 11th, 2007 at 3:23 pmAnd, of course, your ‘change’…… sir
Wait a minute………
KRank, could you be ‘And you though REAGAN was bad?’
I’m having my suspicions….
May 11th, 2007 at 3:24 pm“I’m glad you support a one-party corrupt system. Due to bigots like yourself, a moderate may never be elected to office. So funny, huh? huh….
Comment by Joe ”
how did you find out about the secret power that i use to prevent moderates from running in primaries? my plan is ruined!!!!
p.s.:
May 11th, 2007 at 3:24 pm“That would “tool†is one of 25 in your vocabulary. You’re map is outdated” is also funny.
Comment by pgw
I’m glad you’re so debatable, so intelligent.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:28 pm#42
If Pelosi is so against Cold Cash Jefferson, why not expel him from the House?
May 11th, 2007 at 3:31 pmWH Chief of Staph
I know, one Deputy Chiefs already told me. I told him that I don’t want a change. See, I like the feel of nice, warm cushion. heh,heh.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:32 pmJoe actually has more of a libertarian type viewpoint from the posts I read so far.
Comment by Wayne — May 11, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
You may be right. I hadn’t seen much of Joe before today. Jake is prone to mildly criticizing Republicans at the start of discussions, just to establish some sort of credibility which he then proceeds to exhaust in short order. And their diction and rhetorical styles are similar… but i’ll take your word for it.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:33 pm“I’m glad you’re so debatable, so intelligent.
Comment by Joe”
you got me again. i’m not as intelligent as someone who posted “Is your last name “douche?— does that line really work in debates?
May 11th, 2007 at 3:34 pmComment by pgw
Well, fine then. You won the debate. You’re the winner.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:39 pmComment by KRank
Sure, one could change their post name in a snap, and I know who this “jake” figure is, but I was told he was possibly Valiantthehater and posed as a war vet.
Sorry, had those thoughts as well. Not Jake.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:42 pmBush and the GOP’s “in your face” corruption has to end and end now. Calvert is the “poster boy” for corruption. What the hell are they thinking? Do they believe that if “they say so”, poof! like magic an evildoer suddenly becomes cleansed? The fact that they parade these thugs in front of us and shower them with accolades is quite telling about the disgusting characters of those involved.
But then it may be a case of “looking good” next to the biggest thug on the planet by comparison???
Whatever it is, it’s tanking the GOP and this white house further into the dark abyss from which they will never escape.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:50 pmEthically challenged? Is that some kind of politically correct way of saying “corrupt?”
May 11th, 2007 at 3:54 pmThey (Democrats) likely do get a free pass, with some exceptions, and I don’t think anyone has to write a legal brief just to prove it. I think it’s tantamount to common knowledge.
Comment by Joe
With the Gonzales Justice Department?
Not a chance
If they have a case, you can be sure they would file charges against any Democrat before they would charge a Republican.
Thats not saying there are no crooked Democrats, maybe they are smarter than the dumbass Republicans that have gotten caught so far.
Facts are, moreRepublicans have been charged, under a Republican Justice Dept, than have been any Democrats.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:57 pmveritas,
May 11th, 2007 at 4:01 pmOnce our Party has complete control we will ban the Republicans.
The Democratic Party is the only party needed for America!
If Pelosi is so against Cold Cash Jefferson, why not expel him from the House?
Comment by m12 — May 11, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
#
Honestly, I don’t know. The last time she tried, she came under a ton of republican criticism. The right-wing tried to say that she was just wanting to get rid of him because he is black. I want to get rid of him because he is crooked and makes the dems look bad. I don’t care what color he is, he had 90 grand stuffed in his freezer. But Rush and Hannity did such a tremendous job of defending Jefferson that most all of the right-wing got on board, and now we’re stuck with the SOB.
May 11th, 2007 at 4:06 pmI hope that was a joke or you are a fake Dem (aka troll). Outlawing decent is exactly what we are fighting to restore!!!
May 11th, 2007 at 4:07 pmWayne, your right.
I keep forgetting that it is a Republican Justice Dept. I’m going to have to admit that Democrats certainly are not as “ethically-challenged.” I wish I could cancel out any previous arguments in relation to that on this post, but TP doesn’t allow (as far as I’m aware).
May 11th, 2007 at 4:08 pmThe Democratic Party is the only party needed for America!
Comment by Jay Randal — May 11, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
I disagree. I am a democrat, but I favor a political system with multiple political parties. I would, however, favor the removal of the republican party. We could just have the dems, the green party, the VPA, and the SEP. There would be four parties, and no republicans. I don’t mind that.
May 11th, 2007 at 4:09 pmComment by Chris L,
I’ve never heard/read a single Republican protest the removal of Jefferson from the Ways and Means committee.
Wayne, do you have any information on this?
May 11th, 2007 at 4:11 pmWayne, do you have any information on this?
Comment by Joe
Not on anyone protesting the removal from the Ways and Means.
The weirdest thing about the Jefferson case is all the FBI leaks on the investigation, then promises in may 2006 of charges being filed within 6 weeks. Since then, nada
The USA in La. I don’t think was one of the ones fired, so must be a “good bushie”.
The only reason I can see for charges not even being filed yet, is they don’t think they have enough to make it stick in court yet.
Something is definately weird in that case, from both sides.
May 11th, 2007 at 5:02 pmKen Calvert has been a thorn in the side of Voters here in Southern California for more years than I care to remember.
Here is a little bit more about his record:
http://web.archive.org/web/20011025103556/lprc.org/news092000.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20011216025331/lprc.org/news3.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20010803172401/lprc.org/news11.htm
May 14th, 2007 at 12:47 pm