Obviously there’s no home video of Cheney hiring the terrorists. The neocons did it through the Pakistan ISI. (Check out 9/11 Press for Truth) The terrorists had no idea they were working for the U.S. government.

I’ve read The New Pearl Harbor, 9/11 Commission Distortions and Omissions and watched numerous videos about 9/11. I don’t take everything in the videos as gospel – as we all know often people are overzealous when they are trying to hammer through their point of view, but the overall conclusion is inescapable: 9/11 was an inside job. Read ‘The New Pearl Harbor’ for yourself. It might open your eyes. Then read 9/11 Commission Distortions and Omissions and you’ll see for yourself what a sham the 9/11 Commission was (or perhaps you’re already aware of that).

Please remember your own words before giving more unsolicited advice to Faiz, Amanda, etc. on what topics they should post on TP, dearie.

Psst, Richard Perle penned the segment of the PNAC treatise about the need for an event like a “new Pearl Harbor” before the American people would accept wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Strangely, that was only months before 9/11 gave the Bushites that very event.

12 months to be precise. And not Afghanistan. And he turned out to be completely correct.

The rats are deserting the ship and the corporate media are assisting them in their attempt to survive.

This would be the sinking ship of WH involvement in 9/11 that precisely zero people out of thousands involved have suggested they were a part of in the 6 years since.
All boats are sinking in that same, completely bouyant way. All boat crews are fleeing in the same stationary, cohesive, unpaniced manner.

Trying again: Zogby reported that 90% of US soldiers said they were in Iraq because of ‘Saddam’s role in 9-11′ – Kilo care to comment on how they got that impression?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — May 12, 2007 @ 11:53 pm

What US soldiers in Iraq ?
Is it the same ones who got sent there to the lead the war on terror, who had it drilled into them that all Iraqis are terrorists, that they toss babies out of incubators, run rape rooms and poison their own people by the same institution who leads all world contenders in propoganda ?

Gee I dunno. Maybe in between propaganda sessions where they’re hyped up so they focus their need to kill brown people after 9/11 onto killing Iraqis, they caught an episode of Meet The Press where Perle was on.

“The military” really is like “the space program” to you folks isn’t it.

Message to all Amerikkkans –

which part of fcuk don’t you understand?

The rats are deserting the ship and the corporate media are assisting them in their attempt to survive.

Here’s Perle’s PNAC connection –

TvNewsLIES exposed this a long time ago. But better late than never….

CLICK HERE

That’ll be a reason not to refer to knowing what is and isn’t on it then.
So basically you “having an open mind” means you’re happy to repeat what you know are lies. Awesome.

There’s still many unanswered questions about those lists. Some of the ‘hijackers’ listed have turned up alive.

No they haven’t. This is possibly the lamest lie out there. It requires you to believe in the relevance of an article that was out of date within a couple of days back in 2001, and talk about it in 2007.

A few days after 9/11 the FBI released the names of the hijackers. As you would expect, when the US released it’s list of the most evil men on earth, others with the same names said “hey that’s me but I didn’t do it”. The BBC reported on this. Less than a week later the FBI released the photos of the hijackers and exactly zero people said “hey that’s me and I’m still alive”. Nothin but crickets.

Der Spiegel did a followup story about this and the Arabs who were the sources for these stories are suprised at how gullible the Americans are to be still talking about it. The Arabs, who engage in conspiracy theories like it’s a sport. They think you’re hysterical.

This is like if Russians told you that you’re drinking too much vodka. This is how crazy you look. Other crazies are saying “hey let’s not get batshit crazy here”.

One M.D. received the official autopsy list of flight 77 under the F.O.I.A. and no Arabs were listed. http://www.physics911.net/olmsted
Either way, I’m not disputing that there were hijackers on those planes.

So there were no hijackers on the planes before or after but either way you’re not saying there were no hijackers on the planes.
Way to waste space then.

I’m questioning who hired them.
Comment by Dirk Neptune — May 12, 2007 @ 3:30 pm

Why ? If a home video of them going over maps of the Pentagon before 9/11 with Dick Cheney would you see this as being relevant to the question of who hired them ?

Because the home videos of them doing this with OBL in al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan have been shown on TV, print and on the web.

Either they evidence of something for both or just fantastic irrelevant coincidences for both.

…then dropped in the middle of Baghdad…

…with his entire living, soulless bloodline…

Psssst Faiz and Progs – Psssst…. I haste to be the bearer of BAD news but it is perfectly ethical for the WAPo to invite whoever they wish to opine away on their editorial page…….The”editorial” concept seems to escape you….

Psssst…ooooh are we whispering so the rest won’t hear us? How exciting! Glad no one else heard you. You are way out in left field with this post while the rest of your team is in the dugout. Don’t worry, I won’t tell anyone. It will be our little secret. This is so exciting!

But, all in all, your answer was pretty good. However I’ve yet to see a credidible official list that came directly from the airlines. There’s still many unanswered questions about those lists. Some of the ‘hijackers’ listed have turned up alive. One M.D. received the official autopsy list of flight 77 under the F.O.I.A. and no Arabs were listed. http://www.physics911.net/olmsted

Either way, I’m not disputing that there were hijackers on those planes. I’m questioning who hired them.

But you’re not talking about those “official lists”. You’re talking about passenger lists released to the public following 9/11 which conspiracy theory websites refer to as “official” and “complete”.

There is a really obvious reason they weren’t on the lists that were released to the public for use in all those rememberence roll calls and TV tribute specials after 9/11. Everyone knows this immediately.

Likewise, why conspiracy theory websites cite these lists as being “the official passenger lists” when they clearly aren’t, anyone who looks at them can tell they aren’t, and they aren’t presented as such by anyone except conspiracy theorists is an answer everyone knows too.

If that’s that kind of unanswered question you’ve got you need to realise that these questions are only “unanswered” on the websites you’ve been reading because answering them ruins the story.

What other questions do you have about the hijackers ? I’m happy to answer every one you’ve got.

However if instead you’d like to make references to me being closed minded and “so smart” in another post where you dodge the issue completely we can go that route and I’ll turn you inside out.

Not sure what you mean when you say this:
“They don’t get a free pass. That doesn’t change the fact though that you are to blame.”

Now I’m to blame because they linked Iraq to 9/11? Do you ever think before you type stuff? Or for that matter – edit? You clearly have trouble expressing yourself – your proof is disjointed and your arguments are fuzzy. My point is that they purposely avoided directly linking Saddam to Iraq. They did it by implication and association. Why do you think to this day a large percentage of Fox News viewers still think Saddam was behind 9/11?

“Are you now going to tell me Cheney was the man you placed all your faith in and got burned ?”

I never said I placed my faith in Cheney. I just reported what he said and continues to say. Hate him or dislike him, no one can deny he’s an important mouthpiece of the Bush administration.

As for 9/11, I don’t expect to change your mind. There are many unanswered questions about that day that the Bush administration has made sure will never be officially answered. But since you’re so smart perhaps you can answer a question for me first…

Why were none of the hijacker’s names on the official passenger lists?

You’ve said something else is ludicrous in the same post you’ve told us 9/11 was an inside job.

They might not have always said outright that there was a link, but they associated and implied it continually. So because they manipulated the public with their well-planned wordplay strategy, they get a free pass?

They don’t get a free pass. That doesn’t change the fact though that you are to blame.

These were the same Republicans who will tell you without blinking that you are better off without medicare or that Alaskan reserves are better off with 700 oil wells drilled in them.
But when they not once told you Iraq was behind 9/11

The Iraq invasion was 18 months after 9/11. That’s 18 months of being told that OBL was behind 9/11, having that case unfolded over that time. 18 months of being given guarantees that Saddam had more WMDs than cold war Russia, but not once being told he was behind 9/11 even when the invasion was a lock.

What did you think the reason for that was ?
That they were scared of being sued for slander by Saddam on that one claim ?

Having said that, Cheney ( I believe to this day) says there was a link between Iraq and 9/11. He doesn’t mince words. http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/093003C.shtml

He also doesn’t mince reality with anything.
Are you now going to tell me Cheney was the man you placed all your faith in and got burned ?
Get the fk outta here.

Having said all that, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the neocons orchestrated 9/11. It just takes an open mind and an ability to think of yourself.
Comment by Dirk Neptune — May 12, 2007 @ 9:45 am

No, it takes a complete lack of ability to think for yourself.
Look where you are. You’re here in a thread talking about 1 of the 100% of necons who gained control of the WH, the pinnacle of power, who needed to completely and thoroughly discredit themselves in order to invade Iraq. That level of personal self immolation was required for them to turn their own plan into something that met their objectives. That’s the conspiracy theory.

Well if they orchestrated 9/11, the most obvious question would be why Saudis ?

Apart from the fact that they chose a country that was tied to the President, protected by the WH from scrutiny, and even though they provided OBL, the funding and the religious fundamentalism, received no punishment you’ve then got the problem of the hijackers.

If you are going to orchestrate 19 Sunnis crash planes into the WTC in order to provide a pretext for invading Iraq, which at least 2 necons do immediately after, you choose Saudi Sunnis instead of Iraqi Sunni Baathists why ?

You say it doesn’t take a genius to explain this so let’s start with you.

Having said that, Cheney ( I believe to this day) says there was a link between Iraq and 9/11. He doesn’t mince words. http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/093003C.shtml

Having said all that, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the neocons orchestrated 9/11. It just takes an open mind and an ability to think of yourself.

These troops should be waterboarded they could save poor Iraqi lives