House Conservatives: ‘There Is No Liberal- Conservative Divide On Iraq’
House Conservatives: ‘There Is No Liberal- Conservative Divide On Iraq’
The media have been giving extensive coverage to the Republican members of Congress who pleaded with President Bush and his senior aides on Tuesday to change course in Iraq.
But these 11 Republicans are not the only conservatives unhappy with the war. Rather, their “unvarnished conversation” with the President reflect misgivings shared by the rest of the party, which is now distancing itself from President Bush. This morning, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) said that their criticism is “just the tip of the iceberg” of conservative dissent. Some more examples:
The heated meeting between the GOP moderates and Bush continued to reverberate through Capitol Hill yesterday, after several Republican conservatives told reporters that they shared the moderates’ fears that the war is wrecking the party. “There is no liberal-conservative divide on Iraq,” said one House GOP conservative, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of angering the White House further. [Washington Post, 5/11/07]
But one conservative House Republican with close ties to the leadership said the concerns expressed by the congressmen in the meeting were widely shared across ideologies. “That wasn’t the Tuesday Group speaking,” he said, referring to an organization of moderate GOP legislators. “No, that’s the Republican sentiment.” [Washington Post, 5/13/07]
While it was Republican moderates who took their complaints directly to the president this week, others in the party expressed similar misgivings on Thursday. [New York Times, 5/11/07]
The meeting’s confrontational tone “was reflective of where the whole [Republican] conference is,” said Rep. Ray LaHood (R-Ill.), a meeting participant. [Washington Post, 5/11/07]
“There is a significant undercurrent that is looking for a reasonable way forward in Iraq,” said Representative Jeff Fortenberry, a conservative Republican of Nebraska, adding that the war is a leading concern for his constituents. [New York Times, 5/11/07]
Several Republicans are considering bipartisan legislation aimed at changing the war’s course. Senators Olympia Snowe of Maine and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee have introduced separate proposals aimed at bringing a gradual end to the war. “We are troubled by the current policy,” Ms. Snowe said Thursday. “The White House needs to hear it.” [New York Times, 5/11/07]
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We have to keep documenting the dissent. When the “war” is over the Republicans will fall back in line and blame Democrats. And they will have ABC make a revisionist movie about how Democrats caused us to lose.
May 13th, 2007 at 3:52 pmAt the same time we need to be asking the Republicans why they haven’t caught Osama or Zawahiri and why they have allowed troop levels to remain so low for so long.
May 13th, 2007 at 3:57 pmNo Fu*#king way you creeps are distancing yourselves from this disaster. It’s time to get you Rethugs by the scruff of your greasy necks and rub your noses in it… “Bad Rethug, bad Rethug…”
May 13th, 2007 at 4:03 pmIf the compiled remarks are correct, why then did the house repubs. vote party line against the dems. new “benchmark” bill. More smoke/mirrors/reframe/bs from the GOP!
May 13th, 2007 at 4:03 pmRep. Fortenberry “is looking for a reasonable way forward in Iraq.” There is no “way forward” in Iraq just as there was no reasonable way forward in Vietnam. The only way peace can occur in Iraq is for the U.S. to finally leave Iraq, otherwise violence will continue to take place in that beleagured country as long as the United States continues to illegally occupy Iraq.
May 13th, 2007 at 4:04 pm“several Republican conservatives told reporters that they shared the moderates’ fears that the war is wrecking the party.”
They don’t give a rat’s ass if it’s wrecking Iraq and America, but if it’s wrecking the party…that’s a problem!
May 13th, 2007 at 4:10 pmI think it’s too late for the Republicans to distance themselves much from Bush. After six years of doing everything possible to enable Bush, including a near complete abdication of oversight responsibilities, they are joined to Bush at the hip. The only remaining question is just how savage of a beating they will take at the polls in 2008.
May 13th, 2007 at 4:11 pmI beg to differ… because most Republicants are saying one thing and doing another – expressing concern for the war, then voting to keep it going… put some money where your mouths are, and stop being so worthless…
May 13th, 2007 at 4:16 pmWhat does this anonymous Gooper mean by “liberal”? There are conservative republics but there are no liberal republics. Does das party call “moderate” republics liberals?
Or does he mean there’s no divide and everyone, EVERYONE, wants out?! The statement makes no sense to me either way.
May 13th, 2007 at 4:16 pm“They don’t give a rat’s ass if it’s wrecking Iraq and America, but if it’s wrecking the party…that’s a problem!”- comment by Chuck U. Farley…Right ON! You scored a bullseye.
May 13th, 2007 at 4:17 pmChuck U. Farley, and VerbalKint hit the nail on the head together. For the Republicans its not so much much about the war as it is their own skins. Like rats, they can’t leave the sinking ship fast enough.
May 13th, 2007 at 4:20 pmDO NOT BELIEVE A THING THEY SAY. The repugs in Congress made this bed and now its time to sleep in it. As Sen. Boxer said to Inhofe: “Elections have Cosequences” Count on that in 2008.
No backing off, ya weasels! We have VERY long memories!
May 13th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThe towers were full of asbestos – which was well known by the port authority, Larry Silverstein and Rudy.
Halliburton acquired the asbestos liabilities of Dresser when Cheney was the CEO, as it was Cheney’s decision to purchase Dresser, the primary shareholders of which were the Bush family. The decision cost Halliburton shareholders billions in the short run, as the stock was pummeled by billions in Asbestos related court awards.
Fast forward to 9/11, and Rudy is exiting building 7 before the Towers collapse – apparently with his own camera crew at the ready. Cheney is directing the action from his bunker. Bush subsequently calls for Asbestos liability reform in a state of the union speech, and Cheney ensures that Halliburton’s stock rebounds handsomely – thanks to no- bid contracts and endless war.
The only way for Christine Todd Whitman to have declared that the air at Ground Zero was safe to breath was that she was on the inside with the rest of the criminals – on their payroll.
In a court of law, these acts are known as sedition, fraud and treason – and of course – murder.
David Rockefeller knows everything, as does W’s father.
May 13th, 2007 at 4:25 pmOil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil Oil
look heres plenty OIL and NONE OF IT WILL EVER BE BUSHES – hes LOST
May 13th, 2007 at 4:25 pmRubber-stamp Republicans defending their fuhrer, the stench of Republican corruption and cronyism, defending the status quo, tax cuts for the wealthy while stiffing working people. and more Republican seats up for grabs in ‘08, the perfect storm for a tsunami of historic proportions. Perhaps even the end of the GOP, like the Whigs in the 1850s.
May 13th, 2007 at 4:27 pmIt is ironic that the sycophantic, grasping, preening, narcissists in the Washington press corp have convinced Republicans that the sentiments shared by 70% of Americans represent only the left wing of the Democratic Party as represented by George Soros and MoveOn.org. It seems that Republicans have been lulled into a false sense of security by forgetting that the Washington press has merely functioned to transcribe GOP propaganda rather than write anything that actually reflects the mood of the country.
May 13th, 2007 at 4:29 pmDissenting Congressman only give aid, comfort and embolden the enemy, who are, in this case, namely, the American people.
May 13th, 2007 at 4:34 pmyou nailed it ‘verbalkint’
May 13th, 2007 at 4:38 pmConservative means Mass Murderers on both sides of the war these days
May 13th, 2007 at 4:39 pmIt’s hard to drum up much sympathy for the Republicans who find themselves with a weighted albatross (named Dubya) around their necks, after shamelessly enabling him and his undemocratic ways of governing for more than six years. I don’t have much faith in the Democrats either, though, because no one is willing to take a necessary step back from politics and see the truth of the matter, which is that every day Bush, Cheney, Rice, Gonzales, etc remain in power is another day that Democracy (the real thing, not the term as used by current-day American politicians, who don’t give a rat’s ass about it because they’ve always had it and don’t seem to realize that they’ve now lost it) gets spat upon.
Take the latest Gonzales appearance before Congress. How can Republicans applaud & enable a man who is clearly a party tool who doesn’t care in the least for the rule of law?
It’s sickening, as is what passes for “Democracy” in this country now.
May 13th, 2007 at 4:43 pmThe GOP is either for the people or agin the people. To paraphrase the immortal Walt Kelly – We have met the enemy and they are B(us)hco..
May 13th, 2007 at 4:52 pmI have to join the chorus singing that this latest SCLM push by the rethugs is just more dancing to save themselves at the polls in the next election. They are willing to spend endless days saying that w needs to get the troops out sometime (they really aren’t too big on real timelines), but they are unwilling actually to do anything that gets the troops out. The number of troops that die or become physically or emotionally wounded is really of no consequence to them.
Once the redeployment/withdrawal begins, these lying rethugs (including joLIE) will be telling one and all that they were against the war from the beginning and were constantly working to keep us out. Then, after the 08 elections they will begin to blame the Dims for the withdrawal. They are a disgusting, ethically challenged group with whom you cannot discuss anything concerning the leadership of w and his cronies. Simply call them liars continually and do not try to discuss or reach accomodation on any topic. Either they can join the correct side or be totally isolated.
May 13th, 2007 at 5:04 pmPlan B:
Dar al-Islan = Dar al-harb
May 13th, 2007 at 5:10 pmErrata: post 23) “m” for “n”; should read “al-Islam”
May 13th, 2007 at 5:11 pmThat’s interesting. I read the other day that 67% of the house Republics said, when polled, that they were not going to change their minds on Iraq, they were going to back the President. Could these people be speaking out of both sides of their mouths? Nah…not a Republic. No duplicity there.
May 13th, 2007 at 5:15 pmYou’re name is TOBY!!!!
May 13th, 2007 at 5:23 pm#26 Spoken like a true Republican.
May 13th, 2007 at 5:23 pm#26 – Some tiny weenied limp dick is amusing himself by hijacking names today.
Are you hijacking names because your Mummy doesn’t want to see you today?
May 13th, 2007 at 5:24 pmI suspect that #26 is the Sunday persona of a regular weekday troll that knows its vile spew would be quickly censored if it tried it on a weekday
May 13th, 2007 at 5:27 pmMr.P it is “your” not “you’re”
I can do amazing things with my mouth I know all you guys like little boy dick.But give me a chance being a liberal slut has its rewards,I swallow.
May 13th, 2007 at 5:28 pmThere, there, there, Li’l Tobey..
It must be painful to see your Glorious Conservative Revolution come crashing out of the sky so hard and so… so COMPLETELY, and iit’s all self-inflicted, isn’t it? The New Reich is going down as hard as the third one did.
Nasty names on your part will simply not drive away the stench that will hover over conservatives and the GOP for at least a decade to come.
If you think you’re hurting or insulting us, you’ll have to do much better than that, Li’l Feller. Now you scamper on home and have your mother help you change your wet ones.
May 13th, 2007 at 5:28 pmOFF TOPIC (sort of) :
OFF TOPIC :
This is what we are dealing with here :
George Walker, GW’s great-grandfather, set up the takeover of the Hamburg-America Line, a cover for I.G. Farben’s Nazi espionage unit in the United States. In Germany, I.G. Farben was most famous for putting the gas in gas chambers; it was the producer of Zyklon B and other gasses used on victims of the Holocaust. The Bush family was not unaware of the nature of their investment partners. They hired Allen Dulles, the future head of the CIA, to hide the funds they were making from Nazi investments and the funds they were sending to Nazi Germany, rather than divest. It was only in 1942, when the government seized Union Banking Company assets under the Trading With The Enemy Act, that George Walker and Prescott Bush stopped pumping money into Hitler’s regime. (1)
May 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pmYou’re name is TOBY!!!!
Comment by Mr. President — May 13, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
That was kinda half-assed funny the first 14 times you did that, Mr P. Not so much anymore.
BTW, errata — it’s “your,” not “you’re.”
May 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pm#30 VerbalKint
Must have just come from church….
May 13th, 2007 at 5:30 pmDay Late & Dollar Short! That’s what these Republicans look like to the rest of the cuuntry – where were they when Dems were questioning this war two years ago?? They had control so they were mum and “aided and abetted” this dictator’s amoral & illegal war.
Now, since they see the handwriting on the wall that they will all be ousted from their congressional seats when they are up for reelection and every GOP presidential candidate is “toxic” due to the party line and this war (which, BTW, ironically until now has been almost solidly “pro war”). Of course, NOW they are posturing against it.
Well, I say to these amoral GOP thugs who claim to now see the light: What they are seeing is their own doom. What they are seeing is the end of their gravy train in a cush job which did absolutely nothing. Now some of them will be seeing prison time themselves for their misdeeds and criminal activities while they thought they had it “made in the shade” and would continue to be given a free ride. Now they see that their political lives are over.
I have only one question to ask these sycophantic bushbutt-wipes now: How does it feel to get screwed and betrayed by someone whom you’ve trusted? How does it feel to realize that this dictator in the white house could give two $hits about your political future or your personal future. These GOP-sters were taken by this administration….hook, line & sinker. Now they’re crying foul – well, you play/you pay – and they all will pay for their own sins as well as Bush’s sins against humanity.
May 13th, 2007 at 5:31 pmNo 32, I don’t know the whole story but I do know that Prescott Busch was one of the 3rd Reich’s leading bankers on this side of the Atlantic leading up to and during WW II, and that Ole Prescott did indeed have his assets seized by the Feds at one point.
I’ve always ben amazed at the Busch family’s ability to keep this story out of the limelights, and I’ve wondered more than once if Georgie’s behavior over the last 6 yrs (basically wrecking the Federal govt as we know it) is meant to be payback for stripping Granddad of his ill-gotten war gains.
May 13th, 2007 at 5:38 pmComment by Mistress Z — May 13, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
“half-assed funny” is more than enough encouragement for my ego. Unfortunately I have a paper due tomorrow, so I can’t take the bait.
Thanks for the correction though,
Support the troops, who are, in this case, namely, the Republican party,
Primus Inter Pares (a.k.a. Mr. President)
May 13th, 2007 at 5:39 pmOff topic but noteworthy. Saw on another blog that McInsane is dismissing the fact that the democratically elected Iraqi congress is asking us for a departure timetable – they want our butts out of there as much as we want our military out of there. McCain lives in an altered state of reality, not unlike George Bush; in fact, I’d say that they’re cut from the same psychiatrically pathological cloth. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could simply ignore factual data such as this just like the cherry-picked intel (or no intel at all to support their claims as the case is turning out to actually be)?? McCain’s campaign should tank by the end of the summer.
May 13th, 2007 at 5:40 pmPrimus Inter Pares (a.k.a. Mr. President)
Comment by Mr. President
Nah, not so much….
May 13th, 2007 at 5:43 pmThe neocons and religious nuts that have hijacked the republican party are in the process of making the very word “republican†a word that is distasteful to the entire world (sort of like a “W†on your bumper equates to “I’m a moronâ€). Better that they either change their party affiliation or better yet kick the neocons, religious nuts, misogynists, homophobes, and racists, and out. There might not be many members left though.
May 13th, 2007 at 5:45 pmHere’s a statement they could make to save face: Kick Bush out of the Republican Party.
May 13th, 2007 at 5:52 pmRudy Guiliani -in his interview with Chris Wallace- said…
…”This is the way Democrats have been running this war”… (to lose it)
…Lindsey Graham said on Wold Blitzer that, “Harry Reid called the troops losers”…
…luckily the feisty Barbara Boxer immediately challenged him (and shut him up)…
…on C-Span several Repulsivescum callers called in saying that democrats were “losing the war”…
…the Repulsivescum (and their complicit media minions) have begun a concerted effort to blame Democrats…
…for the failure in Iraq…
…and unless the Democrats use every available means at their disposal…
…to get ahead of this…
…it will work…
May 13th, 2007 at 5:56 pmI got name jacked – by The President no doubt , why dont you find some porn site to annoy
May 13th, 2007 at 6:08 pmI got name jacked – by The President no doubt , why dont you find some porn site to annoy
Comment by Tobey Tall —
It’s been reported, Tobey.
May 13th, 2007 at 6:13 pmhalf the posts on this page are Mr President using many names also Hijacking other name – like mine
May 13th, 2007 at 6:13 pm“In the conventional “wisdom” al-Qaeda’s terrorist activity today is considered “blowback†from “long-finished” CIA and western covert operations in Afghanistan, but the conventional wisdom is demonstrably false. After the Cold War, Western connections with al-Qaeda proliferated around the world, challenging mainstream conceptions of al-Qaeda’s identity. Western covert operations and military – intelligence connections in strategic regions show that “al-Qaeda†is a network whose raison d’etre and modus operandi are inextricably embedded in a disturbing conglomerate of international Western diplomatic, financial, military and intelligence policies today. US, British, and Western power routinely manipulates al-Qaeda through a complex network of state-regional and human nodes. Such manipulation extended directly to the 9-11 hijackers, and thus to the events of 9-11 itself. The spectacular pyrotechnic effects
May 13th, 2007 at 6:13 pmof 9/11belong to the symbolism of terrorism – bizarre techniques of miscommunication through fear practiced on the innocent and designed to effect social change. Both terror and political assassination are closely related communicative practices of death. September 11 is an example of expedient terrorist destruction ordered from within the state, a macabre instance of a state protection racket. Terrorism is much less likely to be a manifestation of a revolt by – or on behalf of – the underprivileged than a demonstration of brute force by the state or its agents. Machiavellian state terrorism is terror performed for reasons different from the publicized ones; often initiated by persons or groups other than those suspected of the act; and – most important – secretly perpetrated by, or on behalf, of the violated state itself. Machiavellian state terror advances the ruling agenda, while disguising itself as the work of individuals or groups opposed to the state’s fundamental principles. As an example, a mysterious 1971 assassination in Paris obliquely foreshadowed some critical elements of the official story of 9-11. The importance of questioning government and looking for connections between events are critical features of what it means to see reality. Despite its stated intention to be independent, impartial and thorough, the 9-11 Commission was none of the three.” The purpose of 9/11, Afghanistan and Iraq was to panic everyone in America into allowing it to be merged with Mexico and Canada, substituting the Amero for our dollars, and then accepting implantation of radio-controlled brainchips. Many of the people following this agenda fail to understand that they themselves will be included in this truly inhuman “plan” for global domination; the same goal of nazi germany.
I got name jacked – by The President no doubt , why dont you find some porn site to annoy
Comment by Tobey Tall — May 13, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
It wasn’t me Toby, but to answer your question, this site has the best boobs and the most pussys
May 13th, 2007 at 6:18 pmHeyooooo!!!!!!!
Nailed It!
May 13th, 2007 at 6:19 pmThe headline is correct:
The divide is not liberals v conservatives.
It is cowards and defeatists v patriots.
May 13th, 2007 at 6:19 pmIt is cowards and defeatists v patriots.
Comment by m12
Or realists vs historically-proven traitors – Reagan was your boy, remember, Emmy.
“Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels” – a saying that aptly identifies the political opportunists and scalawags currently infesting the republican party.
May 13th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI’ll give this ONE more try (3rd attempt to post this)…
…Rudy guiliani (on Fox) said that:
“This (losing) is the way Democrats have been running this war”…
…Lindsey Graham lied and said , “Harry reid called the troops losers”…
…and sveral Repulsivescum C-Span callers called in to blame Democrats for losing the war in Iraq…
…needless to say there is an obvious concerted effort by Repulsivescum…
…and their minions…
…to lay the failure in Iraq at the feet of Democrats…
…and if Dems don’tget out in front of this…
…it may work…
May 13th, 2007 at 6:30 pm“There is a significant undercurrent that is looking for a reasonable way forward in Iraq,†said Representative Jeff Fortenberry, a conservative Republican of Nebraska, adding that the war is a leading concern for his constituents. [New York Times, 5/11/07]
CongressWeenie Fartenberry then clarified his statement by saying that he would continue to lick the Bush berries whenever requested to do so by any member of the administration.
May 13th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThe divide is between sane and batshit crazy. Sane people say this was never an honorable venture…batshit crazy people say more, more, more, war.
May 13th, 2007 at 6:38 pmIt is cowards and defeatists v patriots.
Comment by m12 — May 13, 2007 @ 6:19 pm
How right you are, m12. Opponents of this war and this president are true patriots. Supporters of this war and president are cowards and defeatists. They are defeatists because they have surrendered freedom and democracy in the mistaken belief that doing so will somehow protect them and assuage their bedwetting cowardice.
May 13th, 2007 at 6:44 pmdid the Republicans really get the hint? Maybe they could repeal Bush’s patriot act and that would show us. REPEAL THAT ACT> restore your parties credibility Republicans.
May 13th, 2007 at 6:46 pmWhy do all the former military generals come out against the war, even the republican generals are against this insanity. Just curious.
May 13th, 2007 at 6:54 pmRepulsivescum are trying to fade back into the mainstream of sanity…
…they should not be allowed to revise their participation in this Iraq CON…
…the repercussions are going to be far too serious to simply allow the illegal invasion and occupation’s architects and supporters…
…to melt back into population…
…they must be POVERTIZED and personally DESTROYED…
May 13th, 2007 at 7:05 pmRepublicans keep trying shots over the bow to send a message to Bush, but are destined to fail. This president will not listen. This president cannot learn.
May 13th, 2007 at 7:14 pmMitt Romney has FIVE (5) healthy young sons…
…all of military age…
…and NONE of them are in the military…
….yet we are LOCKED in a struggle for our very way of life against terrorists(in Iraq)…….
…hmmmm…
May 13th, 2007 at 7:15 pmThis is what you get when you allow Karl Rove to divide America and govern toward only one side. Too bad for Rove he’s on the 28% side.
May 13th, 2007 at 7:16 pmReally, big papa?
I thought he had 3.
I ought to be ashamed of myself since I live in MA.
I guess I never thought so much about him as to actually research him as you took the time to do.
(*Bad Progressive, trueblue.*)
Thanks for the info.
May 13th, 2007 at 7:26 pmHey, true. NIce reading you. ;)
May 13th, 2007 at 7:31 pmComment by trueblue #61
…just saw them on “60 Minutes”…
…and the response given to Mike Wallace’s question of why they aren’t in the military…
…is very revealing…
…EVERYONE should see it…
May 13th, 2007 at 7:31 pmIt is cowards and defeatists v patriots.
Comment by m12
Let me apply a little logic to this Patriotic questiom12. If America has not, is not, defeated, then why does it need to restrict your rights?
And since we are on this subject of defeat, how can one be defeated by a country that rebukes democracy during a freedom operation? We did not go to Iraq for victory m12, we went to free the oppressed, according to George and crew. Who has defeated the freedom operation, what you cal war, m12? Democrats? Of course not. Who then?
May 13th, 2007 at 7:42 pm“Let me apply a little logic to this Patriotic questiom12. If America has not, is not, defeated, then why does it need to restrict your rights?”
America is a Democracy not an Anarchy, rights come with regulations. Equality under the law means that the law applies to citizens equally, not that all are equal and should therefore enjoy the same rights. If you get right down to it, in America you have to earn your freedom, your not just entitled to it.
May 13th, 2007 at 7:46 pmWho is the planner, the manager, the accountant, the thinktank, the NGO dear mister m12, that has brought about this pre-planned disaster? Who was running things during this time? Who controlled congress and the house? WHO m12, who? Who was president the last 6 years? Huh? Are you not man enough to stand up and perhaps say, “Party aside, this is some really fecked up sheet, my team created”
May 13th, 2007 at 7:49 pmAmerica is a Democracy not an Anarchy, rights come with regulations. Equality under the law means that the law applies to citizens equally,
Comment by Mr. President #64
…if the DEMONS you worship (Bushiva and L’il Dick et al.)…
…aren’t PROSECUTED equally for their crimes against the Iraqi and American people…
…you can kiss those “regulations” and “laws”goodbye…
…chaos will (and should) ensue…
…I realize that you don’t believe that…
…but it is written (about hypocrisy/ Karma)…
May 13th, 2007 at 7:54 pmHi Juan!
Happy to see you tonight.
:)
May 13th, 2007 at 7:55 pmAmerica is a Democracy not an Anarchy, rights come with regulations. Equality under the law means that the law applies to citizens equally, -TP
America is a democratic republic. Rights come thru laws. Equality under the law means we all have no race or color.
in America you have to earn your freedom, your not just entitled to it. -TP
So your gonna let a rag-tag bunch of terrorists, with no country they can call their own, cause you to relinquish your hard earned freedom?
May 13th, 2007 at 7:55 pmFor a defeat that does not exist? IE The terrorists run free and you don’t because…..? Of a Freedom Operation?
America you have to earn your freedom, your not just entitled to it.
Comment by Mr. President
I’m scared to ask where this bit of non-advice, to newborns, came.
May 13th, 2007 at 7:59 pmComment by trueblue #61
Sorry trueblue,
I didn’t ignore your post…
…the damn thread is giving me
hell posting…
…I just saw the Romney boys on “60 minutes”…
…and their response to why they aren’tin the military…
…was quite revealing…
…EVERYONE should see it…
May 13th, 2007 at 7:59 pmIf you get right down to it, in America you have to earn your freedom, your not just entitled to it.
Comment by Mr. President
Wwwwwhhhhhhaaaatttttttt?
May 13th, 2007 at 8:00 pmI didn’t think you were ignoring me, big papa.
:)
People come and go.
Sorry you are having trouble posting.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:01 pm“If you get right down to it, in America you have to earn your freedom, your not just entitled to it.”
Well, he chose the right nickname, at least. He’s as ignorant as his namesake.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:04 pmComment by big papa — May 13, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
All are subject to the law, not all are subject to the same laws
May 13th, 2007 at 8:04 pmSo your gonna let a rag-tag bunch of terrorists, with no country they can call their own, cause you to relinquish your hard earned freedom?
For a defeat that does not exist? IE The terrorists run free and you don’t because…..? Of a Freedom Operation?
Comment by Zep Tepi — May 13, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
Earning freedom entails standing up to terrorists, this is how we maintain our freedom.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:05 pmComment by Zep Tepi — May 13, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
I don’t mind not carrying shampoo on planes, do you?
May 13th, 2007 at 8:06 pmI just saw the Romney boys on “60 minutesâ€â€¦
…and their response to why they aren’tin the military…
…was quite revealing…
…EVERYONE should see it…
Comment by big papa
Mitt is just another Liberal Harvard wind bag……SOS
May 13th, 2007 at 8:06 pmAll are subject to the law, not all are subject to the same laws
Comment by Mr. President
What are you drinking? Tell me, so I can stay away from it.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:06 pmActually,
I need to go!
:(
Miniblue just ran in saying,”Survivor Finale is on!”
Any time my daughter wants to have me around, I’ll take it.
:)))
Good Night.
(Sorry, Juan. Zooey will keep you company.)
May 13th, 2007 at 8:07 pm“All are subject to the law, not all are subject to the same laws”
Bwahahaha!
How can all be subject to the the law, if the law isn’t the same for each?
Balmy, mate.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:08 pmComment by trueblue — May 13, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
Comment by barfly — May 13, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Men come together and form a government to enforce these rights.
The government enforces these rights by making laws and punishing those who break them. Your freedom comes at the expense of someone else’s, namely, criminals and terrorists
May 13th, 2007 at 8:10 pmEarning freedom entails standing up to terrorists, this is how we maintain our freedom.
Comment by Mr. President
And Reagan’s selling weapons to terrorists, while telling the American people the exact opposite on national tevevision? Is that your example of standing up to them?
May 13th, 2007 at 8:11 pmComment by barfly — May 13, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
So, should 6 year olds be allowed to drive?
May 13th, 2007 at 8:11 pmShould criminals be allowed to vote?
Should minors be allowed to pose nude for porn?
not all are subject to the same laws
Comment by Mr. President #74
…I beg to differ…
…ALL are subject to “natural law”…
May 13th, 2007 at 8:12 pmAll are subject to the law, not all are subject to the same laws
Comment by Mr. President
But only after you become entitled to it, somehow, thru a Dwight Shrute membership ritual, of course…
May 13th, 2007 at 8:12 pmI don’t mind not carrying shampoo on planes, do you?
Comment by Mr. President
Thats probably the idea of freedom, the French had when they were storming the streets. Hehehe. What a jokey joke-maker…
May 13th, 2007 at 8:12 pm“The government enforces these rights by making laws and punishing those who break them. Your freedom comes at the expense of someone else’s, namely, criminals and terrorists”
Comment by Mr. President
Perhaps he’s drinking sterno.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:12 pmWe hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Men come together and form a government to enforce these rights. =YWe hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal and are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Men come together and form a government to enforce these rights -The Pretz-a-dense.
No, you said above, that you must become entitled first Mr Pretzeldent.
Which is it?
May 13th, 2007 at 8:14 pmComment by barfly — May 13, 2007 @ 8:08 pm
When I say “the law” it is implied that I am speaking of the abstract idea (much like one says man when referring to all men).
The second use of “laws” refers to individual laws.
take the sentence:
What is good for man should be determined by all men.
here you see, we use the abstract idea and the particular in the same sentence.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:14 pm“So, should 6 year olds be allowed to drive?
Should criminals be allowed to vote?
Should minors be allowed to pose nude for porn?”
Comment by Mr. President
Definitely drinking something toxic – perhaps wood alcohol.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:15 pmbig papa; I missed 60 minutes. Tell me, just what is the cheesy excuse the Romney boys giving for not enlisting.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:15 pmYour freedom comes at the expense of someone else’s, namely, criminals and terroristsâ€
Comment by Mr. President
Why that certainly explains throwing Libby under the bus….
May 13th, 2007 at 8:16 pmDefinitely drinking something toxic – perhaps wood alcohol.
Comment by barfly #90
…it’s definitely “tweaking”…
May 13th, 2007 at 8:18 pmWhat is good for man should be determined by all men. -The Pretz
Would this be global or national or religious?
May 13th, 2007 at 8:18 pmComment by big papa — May 13, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
Natural Law is the original “life liberty pursuit of happiness”, but when these rights are threatened then he who is threatening is committing a crime against natural justice. Natural justice is supposed to be enforced by natural law, therefore he who breaks that law will lose his liberties… naturally.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:19 pmComment by Zep Tepi — May 13, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
Heyoooooo!!!!!
Alright fellas, I’ll be back to mix it up latter.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:20 pm“So, should 6 year olds be allowed to drive?”
Your analogy is weak.
Driving is a priviledge, as you know. Not only can’t six year olds not drive, neither can adults who cannot meet the requirements imposed by the state. So, adults and minors alike are subject to the same laws – passing state requirements.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:20 pmYour freedom comes at the expense of someone else’s, namely, criminals and terroristsâ€
Comment by Mr. President
So, if Osama hit WTC then we should be more free than less?
Sir, with all due respect did you really attend a philosophy class?
May 13th, 2007 at 8:20 pm“…it’s definitely ‘tweaking’…”
Comment by big papa
“Heyoooooo!!!!!
Alright fellas, I’ll be back to mix it up latter.”
Comment by Mr. President
And peaking. I hope he doesn’t have a dog, as I fear for it’s safety.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:22 pmjust what is the cheesy excuse the Romney boys giving for not enlisting.
Comment by Uncle Ho #91
…I sh*t you not…
…one of the Romney 5 said:
“There are many ways people are sacrificing for this war. I hope to make that kind of sacrifice in the future.”
…no sh*t…
May 13th, 2007 at 8:22 pmAlright fellas, I’ll be back to mix it up latter.
Comment by Mr. President
Okay Sir, I will be around thinking philosophical things…=)
May 13th, 2007 at 8:23 pmSir, with all due respect did you really attend a philosophy class?
Comment by Zep Tepi #98
…yeah…
…the Shecky Green School of Ethereal Consciousness…
…in Bayonne… :-O
…DOH!
May 13th, 2007 at 8:28 pmDoes he mean the same kind of sacrifice the Bush twins are making? Some sacrifice.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:30 pmYeah. that’s probably true
May 13th, 2007 at 8:32 pmthe Shecky Green School of Ethereal Consciousness…
…in Bayonne… :-O
…DOH!
Comment by big papa
In the immortal words of Frank Sinatra, “He’s had enough.”
Zing!
May 13th, 2007 at 8:34 pmthe Shecky Green School of Ethereal Consciousness
Perhaps you mean the Shakey Jek Green School of Wood Alcohol semi-unconsciousness? =)
May 13th, 2007 at 8:34 pmd0esn’t say much for the othe side
May 13th, 2007 at 8:34 pmWell, we’ll soon see if these dire republican predictions pan out to democratice electoral gold. Next year’s congressional election voter registration will see a sizeable jump in independent and to a smaller degree, democratic registration increases, if this is true.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:40 pmComment by barfly #107
…it’s really apalling how many people are disengaged even now…
…I’m talking so-called “educated” people…
…I don’t trust “Independents”…
…ANYONE who isn’t MAD_AS_HELL and committed to voting Democrat at this point…
…is NOTHING more than a CONNED’selfserving inbred…
…who’ll vote for ANY White male self-professed CONNED’selfservative…
May 13th, 2007 at 8:47 pmWhenever there’s namejacking, Mr. President is around.
May 13th, 2007 at 8:48 pmSOME NEWS:
No Disclosure: Presidential Candidates Defy Tradition, Refuse to Release Taxes
Former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C.,worked for a hedge fund while heading a poverty center in between his presidential campaigns. But since he isn’t telling, voters can’t know how much money he earned.
Former Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass., says his wife, Ann, once donated to Planned Parenthood, but that he never contributed to an abortion-rights group himself. But there’s no way for the media and the public to check that claim.
In a break with the tradition of recent presidential campaigns, most of the major presidential candidates aren’t releasing their income-tax filings.
Edwards has indicated that he will keep his tax returns private, and while Romney is still considering his options, he has never released his returns in previous runs for office.
Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., aren’t saying whether they will or not, but neither has released income tax forms filed this year.
That means voters are likely to know less about the income sources, personal wealth and charitable inclinations of the presidential candidates than in any election in the past generation.
“When you run for president, you really have to open yourself up to the American people,” said Mary Boyle, a spokeswoman for Common Cause, a government watchdog group. “If you’re asking voters of this country to elect you as president, it’s reasonable and rational that your tax returns are made public.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3165953&page=1
May 13th, 2007 at 8:56 pmAlright fellas, I’ll be back to mix it up latter.
Comment by Mr. President
Errata — “later” not “latter”
I do hope you have a proofreader for your paper, Mr P.
May 13th, 2007 at 9:01 pmComment by Mr. President
Perhaps he’s drinking sterno.
Comment by barfly — May 13, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
I hope.
May 13th, 2007 at 9:19 pmWhen I say “the law†it is implied that I am speaking of the abstract idea (much like one says man when referring to all men).
The second use of “laws†refers to individual laws.
take the sentence:
What is good for man should be determined by all men.
here you see, we use the abstract idea and the particular in the same sentence.
Comment by Mr. President — May 13, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
Where’d you get your degree in constitutional law? Because you don’t seem to have a effing clue.
May 13th, 2007 at 9:22 pmComment by Shane — May 13, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
do you have a problem with abstract ideas?
May 13th, 2007 at 9:27 pmComment by Mistress Z — May 13, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
No, Ms. Z, I actually don’t. Would y’all do me a solid?
If I post my paper here… page by page… would y’all proofread it?
May 13th, 2007 at 9:29 pm#111 Mistress Z, the misspellings are completely appropriate if it’s going to call itself Mr. President, it makes it look more authentic – insane content isn’t enough.
May 13th, 2007 at 9:29 pmWhenever there’s namejacking, Mr. President is around.
Comment by Shane — May 13, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
Your way off Shane, you ain’t heard?
I don’t cut and run, I stay the course and I never change my name.
May 13th, 2007 at 9:30 pmErrata: “You’re” for “Your”
May 13th, 2007 at 9:31 pmComment by Zep Tepi — May 13, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
No, those innocent civilians in the WTC lost their freedom and lives, at the expense of terrorists literally getting away with murder. As for us, our duty to those who died is to rectify the situation and distribute bitter-sweet justice to thosse who broke the law.
May 13th, 2007 at 9:34 pmComment by Quadrajet — May 13, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Zing-a-reno!!!!!
May 13th, 2007 at 9:34 pmIf I post my paper here… page by page… would y’all proofread it?
Comment by Mr. President — May 13, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Sorry, my rates are too high for a student, and my boredom threashold too low.
May 13th, 2007 at 9:52 pm#111 Mistress Z, the misspellings are completely appropriate if it’s going to call itself Mr. President, it makes it look more authentic – insane content isn’t enough.
Comment by Quadrajet
Very true, my friend. Maybe Barney is helping?
I hope you’re doing well, Quadrajet. :)
May 13th, 2007 at 9:55 pm#121 “threshold”
Heh.
I am a good proofreader. :D
May 13th, 2007 at 9:56 pm…it’s really apalling how many people are disengaged even now…
…I’m talking so-called “educated†people…
…I don’t trust “Independentsâ€â€¦ big papa
Me either. Tried it once, but it felt like a cop-out position. After seeing that both parties had their faults, I realized republicans’ heart really wasn’t in governance, but promoting economic class warfare. I’m now a rock-solid liberal democrat.
May 13th, 2007 at 9:58 pmNo, those innocent civilians in the WTC lost their freedom and lives, at the expense of terrorists literally getting away with murder. As for us, our duty to those who died is to rectify the situation and distribute bitter-sweet justice to thosse who broke the law.
Comment by Mr. President
Perhaps we could start with the terrorists that spreaded Orange Agent, WP and Depleted Uranium over civilians. Then with the terrorists that throws clusterbombs over civilians, then with the terrorists that launched Mustard and Chlorine gas over civilians, then with the terrorists that supported death squads, then with the terrorists that blew cars in Lebanon, then with the terrorists that deposed democratically elected presidents, then…. you get the picture.
May 13th, 2007 at 10:01 pm#63
None of my rights have been touched at all. The only people trying to restrict rights are the pro-tax members of Congress destroying my right to the fruits of my labor and investment.
May 13th, 2007 at 10:02 pmAs for us, our duty to those who died is to rectify the situation and distribute bitter-sweet justice to thosse who broke the law.
Comment by Mr. President
Bwahahahahah ….
Wanna buy a rug?
May 13th, 2007 at 10:02 pm#59
Both McCain and Duncan Hunter have sons who have served in Iraq. Yet nobody mentions them…
Romney did not vote for the war. Why doesn’t Edwards, who cosponsored the IWR, have as much of a duty to send his kids as Romney does?
May 13th, 2007 at 10:06 pmThe only people trying to restrict rights are the pro-tax members of Congress destroying my right to the fruits of my labor and investment.
Comment by m12
Which taxes don’t you like? The estate tax? Property gains?
May 13th, 2007 at 10:07 pmWhich taxes don’t you like? The estate tax? Property gains?
Let’s start by abolishing the FICA tax.
May 13th, 2007 at 10:15 pmPerhaps mOneTwo hates the fact that the Social Security Contribution is not paid after the first $96,000 in earnings. He doesn’t get the chance to contribute fairly to the safety net.
May 13th, 2007 at 10:21 pmBoth McCain and Duncan Hunter have sons who have served in Iraq. Yet nobody mentions them…
Comment by m12 —
Dunkin’s son is being groomed for his spot. That’s why he had to establish a military cred. And a congressman’s son is one of the most-protected soldiers in any theater of war, so it’s not like he’s in any real danger.
May 13th, 2007 at 10:24 pmPerhaps mOneTwo hates the fact that the Social Security Contribution is not paid after the first $96,000 in earnings. He doesn’t get the chance to contribute fairly to the safety net.
Not at all. Bill Gates gets the same ripoff social Security payments when he turns 65 as the guy who makes $96k yearly. Why should he pay more FICA tax?
It’s the middle class who’s ripping off future generations. They actually get a positive return on investment.
May 13th, 2007 at 10:24 pmEveryone should pay into SS no matter what their income!
It’s just not fair. Period.
May 13th, 2007 at 10:25 pmWe wouldn’t need taxes if we gave to charity.
Check this site out:
http://www.truecatholic.org/donations.htm
May 13th, 2007 at 10:26 pm#132
Where are Edwards and Hillary’s kids establishing military cred?
May 13th, 2007 at 10:28 pmLet’s start by abolishing the FICA tax.
Comment by m12
No, let’s remove the cap, and fully incorporate the lucky few who make more, into the system. Yes, let them draw out as much as they put in, until they die. No, don’t give millionaires a break. Why should Sean Hannity, Barbra Streisand, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Moore, any big-league ball-player, or head of a billion-dollar corporation get off paying less taxes than everyone else?
May 13th, 2007 at 10:30 pmFor those of you who donate already:
“Thank you and may God bless you and yours, now and in eternity.”
May 13th, 2007 at 10:30 pmm12,
“The only people trying to restrict rights are the pro-tax members of Congress destroying my right to the fruits of my labor and investment.”
This is patently false. The people who are trying to restrict your rights, are the members of congress and the President who insist on cutting taxes AND jacking up spending. And let’s not forget that when you do that, it’s actually a tax deferral not a tax cut. At some point we will in fact have to pay the money back to China et al.
I can’t figure out for the life of me how you fiscal cons can support a group of hypocrites like the current Repubs. They scream fiscal conservatism, but practice the exact opposite.
May 13th, 2007 at 10:30 pmEveryone should pay into SS no matter what their income!
It’s just not fair. Period.
Comment by trueblue
I agree. But some think that they are priviledged.
May 13th, 2007 at 10:31 pmYou know. If we all gave a little, taxes wouldn’t be so bad. Everyone, pay your alms to the Catholic Church, they’re one of the biggest charities in the US, check it out:
http://www.catholiccharitiesinfo.org/
May 13th, 2007 at 10:35 pmWhere are Edwards and Hillary’s kids establishing military cred?
Comment by m12
Are they planning on taking their parent’s seat? Are they raising funds for it?
May 13th, 2007 at 10:37 pmMr. President, are you transitioning into Mr. Pope?
May 13th, 2007 at 10:39 pmNo, let’s remove the cap, and fully incorporate the lucky few who make more, into the system. Yes, let them draw out as much as they put in, until they die. No, don’t give millionaires a break. Why should Sean Hannity, Barbra Streisand, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Moore, any big-league ball-player, or head of a billion-dollar corporation get off paying less taxes than everyone else?
They don’t pay less taxes. They pay the same in dollar amounts to get the same dollar amount in benefits.
When Moore and company turns 65 and is owed millions in SS for all the millions he put in, who’s gonna pay for it?
May 13th, 2007 at 10:48 pmIt’s small wonder the president’s attempts at reforming SSI have gone no-where; he can’t present a clear and cogent argument, only half-baked spin, just like his adoring fan.
May 13th, 2007 at 10:49 pmI can’t figure out for the life of me how you fiscal cons can support a group of hypocrites like the current Repubs. They scream fiscal conservatism, but practice the exact opposite.
I’d rather have my tax dollars go to war than to entitlements. Pick your poison.
May 13th, 2007 at 10:49 pm#142
Why is military cred so important for running for a Congressional seat when the last 2 Presidents have shown that it’s not all that important for running for the Oval Office?
Such a shame. A man can’t serve his country without being attacked by the left due to his last name.
May 13th, 2007 at 10:51 pmThey don’t pay less taxes. They pay the same in dollar amounts to get the same dollar amount in benefits.
When Moore and company turns 65 and is owed millions in SS for all the millions he put in, who’s gonna pay for it?
Comment by m12
Nonsense. The affluent have gotten a free ride on paying FICA taxes for decades. Can I, or any taxpayer that makes less than the cap shelter their income, as the rich do, from FICA taxes? No. We must pay on every dollar earned – so why shouldn’t the rich also pay on every dollar earned. It’s elitist, and goes against the American spirit of a shared burden.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:02 pmNo, those innocent civilians in the WTC lost their freedom and lives, at the expense of terrorists literally getting away with murder. As for us, our duty to those who died is to rectify the situation and distribute bitter-sweet justice to thosse who broke the law.
Comment by Mr. President
Where is Osama bin Laden, Mr P?
May 13th, 2007 at 11:02 pmI agree. But some think that they are priviledged.
Comment by barfly — May 13, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
Some are privileged.
Just sayin’
Not sayin’ it’s right, of course.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:05 pmWhy is military cred so important for running for a Congressional seat when the last 2 Presidents have shown that it’s not all that important for running for the Oval Office?
Such a shame. A man can’t serve his country without being attacked by the left due to his last name.
Comment by m12
His service was a political calculation: that the Pentagon wouldn’t risk his being captured or killed, so he would be quite safe, by military design.
The reason he needs the cred is his backwoods constituents haven’t learned the Duke Cunningham lesson quite yet.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:05 pmNonsense. The affluent have gotten a free ride on paying FICA taxes for decades. Can I, or any taxpayer that makes less than the cap shelter their income, as the rich do, from FICA taxes? No. We must pay on every dollar earned – so why shouldn’t the rich also pay on every dollar earned. It’s elitist, and goes against the American spirit of a shared burden.
Why do you think FDR set up the system the way it is? The cap is used on both ends.
If Bill Gates pays millions in social security taxes, he will also be owed millions upon retirement. It’s not nonsense; its the way the formula works.
Want to talk about a shared burden? There’s nothing evenly shared about progressive tax brackets.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:09 pmI’d rather have my tax dollars go to war than to entitlements. Pick your poison.
Comment by m12 — May 13, 2007 @ 10:49 pm
And it’s all about what you want, not what the majority of citizens want. That the neocon mentality, me, me, me, and the hell with what my neighbors think.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:14 pmIf Bill Gates pays millions in social security taxes, he will also be owed millions upon retirement. It’s not nonsense; its the way the formula works.
Want to talk about a shared burden? There’s nothing evenly shared about progressive tax brackets.
Comment by m12
And if Gates drops dead while fully invested, SSI is saved! He would be owed billions, not millions, but while he was alive, the money would be in the system, strengthening it. Gates’ heirs could collect a death benefit, and payments until they reach adulthood, and then the rest of the money would revert to the general fund, just like every one else’s. My guess is that you’d have to pay more to actually contribute your fair share, and that’s why you’re squalking …
May 13th, 2007 at 11:16 pmWant to talk about a shared burden? There’s nothing evenly shared about progressive tax brackets.
Comment by m12 —
Baloney. What you want is for capitol gains to be eliminated, so thatyou won’t have to pay anything. A True American.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:18 pm#153
Yeah, when it comes to my vote, it is about me. Who else should it be about?
May 13th, 2007 at 11:24 pmBaloney. What you want is for capitol gains to be eliminated, so thatyou won’t have to pay anything. A True American.
Gains and dividends are already taxed when the income is earned. What you want is to force me to pay taxes twice. A true American.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:29 pmI’d rather have my tax dollars go to war than to entitlements. Pick your poison.
Comment by m12 — May 13, 2007 @ 10:49 pm
Cuz that’s just the kind of guy you are. I hope you’re not a christian, cuz you’re gonna burn for that one.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:30 pm#158
I am not a religious man. I leave religous beliefs like welfare and government force tithe to others.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:32 pmGOPers love the Iraq Fiasco War, but they do not want to personally fight in it themselves. That makes them hypocrites!
May 13th, 2007 at 11:34 pmYeah, when it comes to my vote, it is about me. Who else should it be about?
Comment by m12 — May 13, 2007 @ 11:24 pm
This is why I despise you morons. How about what’s good for the country – whether you stand to gain from it personally or not.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:35 pm#161
What’s good for me is good for the individual, and what’s good for the individual is good for promoting innovation and hard work.
I like your self righteous attitude, though. Unions and welfare bums vote Democratic on their self-interest, but that’s just dandy, eh? As long as we make the rich pay for it; the middle class doesn’t want to be bothered!
May 13th, 2007 at 11:41 pmGains and dividends are already taxed when the income is earned. What you want is to force me to pay taxes twice.
Comment by m12 —
How so? Making stuff up again? You’ve already demonstrated your understanding of SSI is thimble-deep.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:42 pm#162 — That’s a good one, m12. YOU calling anyone else self-righteous.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:45 pmHow about what’s good for the country – whether you stand to gain from it personally or not.
Comment by Quadrajet — May 13, 2007
And that’s why republicans so lousy at governance: they don’t care about anyone else but themselves – and when some disaster occurs, and then their hands are out like all the rest.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:46 pm“What’s good for me is good for the individual, and what’s good for the individual is good for promoting innovation and hard work.
I like your self righteous attitude, though.”
Whose self-righteous attitude? I’ll bet you’re a trust fund baby, who’s never worked hard in his life.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:49 pmHow so? Making stuff up again? You’ve already demonstrated your understanding of SSI is thimble-deep.
Hardly. You might want to educate yourself.
Corporations pay income taxes on their revenues. When that same money is distributed to owners, the IRS taxes it a second time, even though no transaction of goods or services has taken place.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:52 pmUnions and welfare bums vote Democratic on their self-interest, but that’s just dandy, eh?
And you prefer corporate welfare bums, like the airlines, auto companies, silicon valley, Big Media, Big Oil, Big Pharma … What a corporate tool. A Real American Corporate Tool.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:53 pm#166
If I was, I sure as hell wouldn’t want John Edwards getting his grubby hands on my trust fund.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:53 pm#169
So says the tool of the AFLCIO, the UAW, the NAACP, and local teachers unions.
At least Big Pharma gives up some overpriced drugs in exchange for their ‘welfare’. Inner city moms just bump out kids and collect checks.
May 13th, 2007 at 11:56 pmCorporations pay income taxes on their revenues. When that same money is distributed to owners, the IRS taxes it a second time, even though no transaction of goods or services has taken place.
Comment by m12 — May 13, 2007
You talk as if corporations and their owners are two seperate species. If money is distributed, that is a transaction isn’t it? You demonstrate ignorance of such basic American principles as shared sacrifice for the common good — are you even an American?
May 13th, 2007 at 11:58 pmAt least Big Pharma gives up some overpriced drugs in exchange for their ‘welfare’. Inner city moms just bump out kids and collect checks.
Comment by m12
They spend 60% of their budgets advertizing, not researching new cures.
“Inner city moms”
So the veiled racist finally is unmasked. Just as I suspected…
May 14th, 2007 at 12:01 amYou talk as if corporations and their owners are two seperate species. If money is distributed, that is a transaction isn’t it? You demonstrate ignorance of such basic American principles as shared sacrifice for the common good — are you even an American?
No, that’s not a transaction. It’s akin to the IRS skimming 15% when you give an allowance to your kids.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:03 amSo the veiled racist finally is unmasked. Just as I suspected…
Comment by barfly
These types are always worried that someone less fortunate than them MIGHT get something they’re not getting, but are never concerned that big corporations actually ARE getting more than them.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:05 amThey spend 60% of their budgets advertizing, not researching new cures.
Ok, and? Who are you to tell them how to run their (very profitable) business?
May 14th, 2007 at 12:05 amLet’s talk a bit more about shared sacrifice though.
Considering income taxes, which compromise the largest percentage of federal revenues
5% of the nation pays 53% of income taxes
10% of the nation pays 65% of income taxes
50% of the nation pays 96% of income taxes
Sharing, indeed.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:09 amNo, that’s not a transaction. It’s akin to the IRS skimming 15% when you give an allowance to your kids.
Comment by m12
Bullshit.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:09 amAt least Big Pharma gives up some overpriced drugs in exchange for their ‘welfare’. Inner city moms just bump out kids and collect checks.
Comment by m12
Yeh, thats why we should outlaw senior citizens buying big pharma drugs from Canada.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:10 am5% of the nation pays 53% of income taxes
10% of the nation pays 65% of income taxes
50% of the nation pays 96% of income taxes
Sharing, indeed.
Comment by m12
Please, share with us the income brackets of the above.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:11 amOk, and? Who are you to tell them how to run their (very profitable) business?
Comment by m12
And who are you to tell poor black women how to live?
May 14th, 2007 at 12:11 amGOPers love the Iraq Fiasco War, but they do not want to personally fight in it themselves. That makes them hypocrites!
Comment by Jay Randal — May 13, 2007 @ 11:34 pm
Members of the military are overwhelmingly conservative. Most liberals don’t join the military, they just sit back and whine about it.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:15 am#178
Canada strongarms the pharmaceutical industry with price caps. Remove the price caps, and then we can allow importation.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:15 amMembers of the military are overwhelmingly conservative. Most liberals don’t join the military, they just sit back and whine about it.
Comment by upright left
Got a link to back up your whiny liberal assertion? From a reputable source, naturally.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:17 amLet’s talk a bit more about shared sacrifice though. -m12
Your talking profit not sacrifice. Jeeez.
Canada strongarms the pharmaceutical industry with price caps. Remove the price caps, and then we can allow importation. Comment by m12
Thats free market and its being denied to elderly folks. Is outsourcing jobs then not a strongarm?
May 14th, 2007 at 12:20 am#179
You can read about double taxation here.
http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/03/102203.asp
Off the top of my head, approximately:
The top 1% starts at $350k of income. Top 5% starts at $140k, 10% at $100k, and 50% at around $35k.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:20 amPlease, share with us the income brackets of the above.
Comment by Mistress Z — May 14, 2007 @ 12:11 am
Haven’t found the brackets yet, but it looks like the 5% who m12 whines pay 53% of income taxes also own a bit more than 60% of the wealth. Poor bastards.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:20 am5% of the nation pays 53% of income taxes – on 95% of all earned income
10% of the nation pays 65% of income taxes — but gets essentially a free ride on FICA taxes.
50% of the nation pays 96% of income taxes – now, you’re mixing in those who pay FICA taxes on all their earned income, and those who pay a negligible amount of FICA taxes, but a larger share of income taxes – but trying to blur the difference between the two won’t work. Add up the amount of total taxes paid by those above the cap and below, and the numbers are quite different.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:22 am#184
How in the world are government enforced price caps on goods anything close to resembling a free market?
May 14th, 2007 at 12:22 amHaven’t found the brackets yet, but it looks like the 5% who m12 whines pay 53% of income taxes also own a bit more than 60% of the wealth. Poor bastards.
Comment by Quadrajet
That was my point, and m12 starts with the weasel words at #185, and now the “top of his head” is so fuzzy he can’t spit out the numbers.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:25 amM1/2 ~ Stop driving on OUR roads. You don’t want to pay taxes, fine.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:26 amStop consuming the resources our taxes provide you, asshole.
Mistress Z~ Is he a cappy headed bore?
May 14th, 2007 at 12:27 amHaven’t found the brackets yet, but it looks like the 5% who m12 whines pay 53% of income taxes also own a bit more than 60% of the wealth. Poor bastards.
Completely irrelevant. Income is taxed, not wealth. Those 5% hold significantly less than 53% of aggregate income.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:27 amHow in the world are government enforced price caps on goods anything close to resembling a free market?
Comment by m12
So then latest law, US, wasn’t about money? But, then, what?
May 14th, 2007 at 12:30 amMistress Z~ Is he a cappy headed bore?
Comment by RUCerious
Sure as shit, my dear. :D
May 14th, 2007 at 12:30 am#189
Are you jealous of the top 5%, Mistress Z? That’s the only explanation I can find for your support of taxing them extra for the fortune.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:31 amHow in the world are government enforced price caps on goods anything close to resembling a free market?
Comment by m12
Gimme an N a A a F a T a A!!!
YAY NAFTA!!!
YEH CAFTA!!
You old farts want cheap drugs? HAHHAHAHAHAAA!!
May 14th, 2007 at 12:32 amCompletely irrelevant. Income is taxed, not wealth. Those 5% hold significantly less than 53% of aggregate income.
Comment by m12
Yes, the top 1-2% of this country own approximatey 84% of the wealth; but the top 20% only earn about 48% of the income.
Irrelevant to whom?
May 14th, 2007 at 12:34 amAre you jealous of the top 5%, That’s the only explanation I can find for your support of taxing them extra for the fortune.
Comment by m1
Not at all, but they still however got wealthy even with that tax. I’d personally like to see a flat tax.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:35 am#192
You referring to Medicare Part D? No, that was George Bush’s pork to seniors to get re-elected. It should be abolished along with the rest of Medicare.
Want cheap drugs? Simple. Wait 10 years until the patent expires; we have the cheapest generics in the world.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:35 amAre you jealous of the top 5%, Mistress Z? That’s the only explanation I can find for your support of taxing them extra for the fortune.
Comment by m12
I am not a jealous person. I’m sorry you can’t find reasons for the rich paying more than their share. I feel sorry for you.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:36 amNo m12, it’s not irrelevant. You whine that this 5% is unfairly burdened by their tax liability. If that were true they wouldn’t own 60% of the wealth would they? They seem to be getting by just fine.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:38 amWant cheap drugs? Simple. Wait 10 years until the patent expires; we have the cheapest generics in the world.
Comment by m12
Now there’s a real world solution! *snerk!*
And if the drug company refiles for patent protection?
May 14th, 2007 at 12:39 amWant cheap drugs? Simple. Wait 10 years until the patent expires; we have the cheapest generics in the world.
Comment by m12
And we have cheap ones right across the border that do the same damn thing…been to minnesota lately? It’s
May 14th, 2007 at 12:39 amYes, the top 1-2% of this country own approximatey 84% of the wealth; but the top 20% only earn about 48% of the income.
Irrelevant to whom?
Irrelevant to the IRS.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:40 amWant cheap drugs? Simple. Wait 10 years until the patent expires; we have the cheapest generics in the world.
Comment by m12 — May 14, 2007 @ 12:35 am
Good lord you’re a pig. Tell that to a cancer patient.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:41 amThese percentages are all cooked. The important thing to remember is that middle-income Americans (up to the FICA cap) pay on every dollar earned, and those above the cap are getting a free ride, tax-wise.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:42 amNo m12, it’s not irrelevant. You whine that this 5% is unfairly burdened by their tax liability. If that were true they wouldn’t own 60% of the wealth would they? They seem to be getting by just fine.
The fact that they are ‘getting by’ doesn’t change the fact that they get bent over by current tax laws.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:43 amWant cheap drugs? Simple. Wait 10 years until the patent expires; we have the cheapest generics in the world.
Comment by m12
F*ck the people who need those drugs now! My poor mama has to spend about $1000 a month to buy the drugs she needs to survive. Luckily, she and my dad have excellent medical and drug benefits through my dad’s various retirement pensions.
But, guess what? She prays that she’ll die before my dad, because when he’s gone she’s up shit creek without a paddle. How’s that? F*ck her, right?
May 14th, 2007 at 12:43 amIrrelevant to the IRS.
Comment by m12
What does the trooper profit as compared to exxon ceo?
Who sacrificed amd who did not?
May 14th, 2007 at 12:44 amGood lord you’re a pig. Tell that to a cancer patient.
Comment by Quadrajet
Wait until a close family member of his is diagnosed, then he’ll squeal a different ditty…
May 14th, 2007 at 12:45 amGot a link to back up your whiny liberal assertion? From a reputable source, naturally.
Comment by Mistress Z — May 14, 2007 @ 12:17 am
Well, Z, of course there hasn’t been a study to determine the exact levels of liberal whining. But anecdotal evidence abounds on TP. Review the threads on the military and I’m sure, being an honest, fair minded progressive you’ll have to admit you see it too.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:47 amThe fact that they are ‘getting by’ doesn’t change the fact that they get bent over by current tax laws.
Comment by m12
But they’re not. They’re getting a free ride by not having to pay on every dollar earned into FICA like the rest of us middle-class Americans.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:47 amIrrelevant to the IRS.
Comment by m12
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is all we need to know about m12.
Dismissed.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:49 am#204
Your emotional appeal has no impact on the Constitutional duty of Congress To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:50 amWell, Z, of course there hasn’t been a study to determine the exact levels of liberal whining. But anecdotal evidence abounds on TP. Review the threads on the military and I’m sure, being an honest, fair minded progressive you’ll have to admit you see it too.
Comment by upright left
It is possible to link to specific comments, you know. I’m sure you can back up your newest assertions that way. Have fun!
May 14th, 2007 at 12:50 amWait until a close family member of his is diagnosed, then he’ll squeal a different ditty…
Comment by barfly — May 14, 2007 @ 12:45 am
So true barfly, it all goes back to the ‘me, me, me’ attitude these swine have. If this fool is personally affected by a catastrophic illness or other personal disaster that wipes him out he’ll whine that he’s not getting enough support, seen it before.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:52 amBut they’re not. They’re getting a free ride by not having to pay on every dollar earned into FICA like the rest of us middle-class Americans.
Tell me, even if you decide to merge the 2:
How does the 7.65% you pay in FICA measure up to the 35% that others have to pay on their marginal income?
May 14th, 2007 at 12:52 amF*ck the people who need those drugs now! My poor mama has to spend about $1000 a month to buy the drugs she needs to survive. Luckily, she and my dad have excellent medical and drug benefits through my dad’s various retirement pensions.
But, guess what? She prays that she’ll die before my dad, because when he’s gone she’s up shit creek without a paddle. How’s that? F*ck her, right?
If you need their product to survive, you should be thanking the drug companies instead of demonizing them.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:53 am#217 — See #212.
Toooodles!
May 14th, 2007 at 12:54 amGood night MZ, barfly, bob – it’s late and after spending a little time with m12 I feel the need to take a shower before bed.
May 14th, 2007 at 1:01 amGood night MZ, barfly, bob – it’s late and after spending a little time with m12 I feel the need to take a shower before bed.
Comment by Quadrajet
I don’t blame you. Ick.
Goodnight, Quadrajet. :)
May 14th, 2007 at 1:08 amIt is possible to link to specific comments, you know. I’m sure you can back up your newest assertions that way. Have fun!
Comment by Mistress Z — May 14, 2007 @ 12:50 am
C’mon, now Z. Why do ya wanna go and be that way? Do ya really expect me to waste perfectly good time that could be spent reading the vast amount of fair, thoughtful reporting here on TP? We all know it’s true about the whining. C’mon admit it! You know you’ll feel better if you stop fighting it. Fess up, now!
May 14th, 2007 at 1:08 amC’mon, now Z. Why do ya wanna go and be that way? Do ya really expect me to waste perfectly good time that could be spent reading the vast amount of fair, thoughtful reporting here on TP? We all know it’s true about the whining. C’mon admit it! You know you’ll feel better if you stop fighting it. Fess up, now!
Comment by upright left
God, what a whiner. Just back up your blah, blah, blah. Is it really that difficult?
May 14th, 2007 at 1:11 amGod, what a whiner. Just back up your blah, blah, blah. Is it really that difficult?
Comment by Mistress Z — May 14, 2007 @ 1:11 am
Dang it, Z, I thought ya were on the verge of a breakthrough. Oh well, you and I know the truth anyway. Someday you’ll be able to admit it. ;)
May 14th, 2007 at 1:17 amG’night Mistress Z~
May 14th, 2007 at 1:17 amF*ck all you trolls…
Dang it, Z, I thought ya were on the verge of a breakthrough. Oh well, you and I know the truth anyway. Someday you’ll be able to admit it. ;)
Comment by upright left
I have no need or requirement for any breakthrough, and yes, I do know the truth.
Stay in the dark, it suits you.
May 14th, 2007 at 1:24 amG’night Mistress Z~
F*ck all you trolls…
Comment by RUCerious
Goodnight, RUC. :)
May 14th, 2007 at 1:24 amWhy are Republicans so anxious to please the president? Or, perhaps the better question is, why are they so afraid of speaking out against him?
May 14th, 2007 at 5:15 amThe chickenhawks stepping foward?
May 14th, 2007 at 8:41 amNo Fu*#king way you creeps are distancing yourselves from this disaster. It’s time to get you Rethugs by the scruff of your greasy necks and rub your noses in it… “Bad Rethug, bad Rethug…â€
Comment by the republic of stupidity — May 13, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
So now you don’t want Republicans to vote to get out?????
May 14th, 2007 at 10:17 amLike rats off a sinking ship.
May 14th, 2007 at 2:45 pmThere are 227 comments on this as I make mine; it has meandered from the GOP to Taxes, to Big Corps, to Drugs. Now that is America in action.
May 14th, 2007 at 3:14 pmThe Democrats & Republicans all voted on every thing, even before 911. So, what makes them different now? Bush & company still do what they want, not what it appears we the people are begging for.
Again, everyone characterizes Unions as evil & hold back on the power & greed of Corporations. Surprise! Unions are made up of “working people,†with families to feed & shelter, who dream of a better life for their children. Evil suckers, huh?
Oh, yeah, those middle class folks are diminishing in numbers because of out sourcing, plant closures, our dependence on foreign production of manufactured goods & services, high-energy cost brought on by the greed for profit of the energy companies. Not to long ago, the news was over the deaths of pets, because Chinese additives to dog food, no one connects that the de-funding of our governmental agencies, brought on by excessive War funding & Tax breaks, leaves few FDA, OSHA, DOJ, agents or police, firefighters, etc. to the public welfare. How bout decent roads, pure water, breathable air? There are laws, just no money, because it is funneled to that 1-2% some here are so hot to defend & aspire to, empatize with. Both Democrats & Republicans bring all of this to you. And, we the people who voted for these traitors over & over again. National defense is our society’s structural safeguards. If buying American means spending more good, if the expenditure does goes to American workers, not the accounts of the Global elite. That 1-2% again, a club old money controls the gates to, we aspire to it, but dreams are dreams reality is Big Pharma, hides research allows over 100,000 deaths then takes affirmative action & removes the product, after billions in profit, all for something aspirin can do for pennies. Impeach Bush et al then we can begin to accept both parties are changing for the good of the people & America, until then it is BS.
Comment by Yesca_Again — May 14, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Unfortunately unions have to be included in the corruption. Whether it’s a response to loss of job security or simply human nature, many rank and file union members abuse the system that was meant to protect them from favoritism and unfair management practices. While not as large a problem as drug and oil companies, it still represents a loss of integrity among our people.
May 14th, 2007 at 4:17 pmMistress Z, barfly, RUCerious…
the REALLY sad thing about the RACIST, al Ceeracka, CONNED’selfserving inbred…
…m12…
…is that with all of its talk of “welfare”, inner city moms, and captal gains…
…it probably lives in a trailer park…
…and neither has a pot to piss in, nor a window to throw it out of…
May 14th, 2007 at 5:26 pmLiving in Europe, I am well aware of Bush family ties to supporting the National Socialist and Fascist movements of Mussoline through
“secret society” connections.
The National Socialist movement coalesced around the “thule group” in Munich, after the massive trauma of W.W. I where no one backed down and millions of troops died uselessly on both sides.
It had “secret society” connections, and was a typical – “bulwark and battering ram against Bolschevism”. Even more bizarre, it was also a branch of Alistair Crowley’s highly gnostic “order of the New Dawn”.
Crowley was ethnologist working on assignment for British Intelligence.
For example, he reported on the STRANGE My Lao tribe of Southern Laos – where the shamans had a neat trick for those tribesman who violated their tabus…. they could force the apostate tribesman to go out into the jungle and simply strangle themselves. And Crowley was sent down there to find out how they did it. Later, he spent time in Tibet.
The holy tibetan wheel, a gold on blue “swastika” representing the dynamics of life with a clockwise rotation, was deliberately distorted by Alistair Crowley…. to a counter-clockwise rotation, with a black “swastika” on a red background. The symbol of death and destruction, with the black representing the devil, and the red satan.
It was not an Aryan symbol at all, but an English “secret society” design by “the beast himself”.
Down in Italy, Crowley’s good poet buddy, Ezra Pound, was helping Mussolini take advantage of the post war trauma in setting up the
“Radical Syndicalist Party”.
Now, the Bush Harriman bank channeled money to both. When the National Socialist Party crystallized out of the gnostic Thule group, the Bush – Harriman bank provided them with the funds to purchase a
bankrupt “New Age” newspaper providing hope about a “life after death” – understandable after so many soldiers saw so much Mayhem, called
the People’s Observer” (” volkische beobachter”).
The Nazis were as much “our bastards” as a bulwark and battering ram against Bolschevism as later Al Qaida during the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan.
And who paid for their rise in a post w.w. one German democratic republic out of sheer paranoia about Bolschevism. Members of the the New York Scottish Rite Lodge of Free Masonry. Stendahls “Le Rouge et Le Noir” all over again on a much more massive scale.
Many of today’s Germans are also aware of the connection. So a joke
of mine is going around well here:
“What is the difference between America under George Bush and modern Germany? The Germans have it behind them.”
“Was ist der Unterschied zwischen Amerika unter Bush und das Moderne
Deutschland? Die Deutschen haben es hinter sich.”
Now onto the Republican congress. Lincoln said it: “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.”
We can very easilly put a double bind on the president and the Republican congress about “supporting our troops”. It goes like this….
either set a definite timetable for getting our troops out by mid 08, or reinstate the draft.”
As a Nam vet, I clearly understand how Iraq is destroying the country’s all volunteer Army. Recruitments are way down? Re-enlistments are way down? Officer commission extensions are way down.
Troops spend less than an average of 1 year at home, and then are sent back for another 15 months of duty, creating more physical and psychic damage just because one massive “authoritarian narcissist ego” in the White House cannot “do a tenth step” and admit to the American people he is wrong.
the fundamental fact of the matter is, Iraq is destroying America’s ready fighting force. How are you going to keep fighting the war with an all volunteer Army. Sure has me stumped.
So, in addition to tacking on a withdrawel timetable on every funding measure for Iraq, congress can add an or to the measure, namely re-instate the draft.
Give the Republicans a crystal clear set of alternatives: “Either you withdraw our tired and exhausted troops from Iraq by mid 08, or you sign a bill to reinstate the draft.” That will shut them up on the “patriotism” thing real fast.
It is called “imperial overreach”. And everybody knows it. The Iraqi restistance to the invasion knows it. “With what Army?” The longer the U.S. stays in under current conditions, the weaker its actual defense capacities. With what army? And how can you finance it? By borrowing more billions from abroad. The borrowing rate is currently 6 billion a day.
And about the only thing left that the U.S. has to export are fast food franchises, Hollywood t.v., films, “gansta music”, and of course….
porn.
Last year, Germany exported over 65 billion euros of high tech goods to the United States. The U.S. exported about 75o million in basically
software rights, entertainment, and sheer, unadulterated porn.
(A porn movie is completed every 36 minutes in the U.S. and exported abroad via internet, etc. A drop in the bucket for the miserable balance of payments. ) Piss poor environmental products, piss poor environmental policy. Piss poor policies about sex – but lots of porn to everybody.
What does the U.S. have to offer the E.E.C. except Bushit and boobs?
Really, it often makes me ashamed to be an ex-pat American here in Germany. I’d much rather be here than in “dumb-fuck” Texas near
Tom Delay, or near a goofy political, slut mouthed groupie like
Anne whats er face. (Goodness, I suffer from Republican erectional dysfunction….. I could not even imagine a one night stand with a republican neo-con bitch who never grew out of pugnacious puberty even if one were strapped to my stomach and I were given an overdose of Viagra. As a matter of fact, I couldn’t even imagine a one night stand
with a Republican, neo-con bad mouthed bitch even with the Shrub’s short Dick Cheney.
Just for the fun of it, I recently took a brown magic marker, and wrote
Anne Coulter on a piece of toilet paper. I carried it to Munich’s English Garden where people parade their dogs and their clothes on a Sunday.
Spying a female dog in heat followed by a few hot male dogs, I followed.
When the bitch dropped a bit of what Bush Sr. called “doggy doo”, I dropped the paper on it, and half the male dogs in that part of the English Garden came by and raised their hind legs in salute of Anne Coulter.
(Thanks to French wit Rabelais for the tip from “Gargantua and Pantagruel.”)
Anyhow, have a nice day.
P.S.
I came across a good poem by K Doering and F. Buelow for
all those Perfect Pompous Repugnican congressmen:
“The Perfect Prayer for Perfect People”
“Oh almighty, do accept,
we’re so perfect and adept.
Henceforth, let our names be praised.
Otherwise all hell be raised. Amen”
And the Shrub can end his attendance at Midtown A.A. meetings
May 15th, 2007 at 1:14 pmafter the “serenity prayer” with_
“So lie on your back. It squirts if you jerk it. So jerk it,you’re worth it.”