CBS On The Defensive, Offers Third Phony Rationale For Firing Gen. Batiste
CBS On The Defensive, Offers Third Phony Rationale For Firing Gen. Batiste
As Keith Olbermann first reported on Thursday, Gen. John Batiste’s consulting arrangement with CBS was terminated due to his participation in a VoteVets ad. In post entitled “Revisiting the Batiste Decision,” the CBS News blog cites the following standard as a rationale for Batiste’s firing:
Simply stated, it is the policy of CBS that it will not take any part in any partisan political process in any form.
This is the third different explanation CBS has offered for canceling Batiste’s contract, and like the others, it is not a satisfactory explanation given the record. Batiste was fired for appearing in a VoteVets ad that did not advocate the election or defeat of any candidate. VoteVets itself is a non-partisan organization.
To recap, here are the previous faulty rationales offered by CBS for firing Batiste:
Reason #1: Batiste was engaging in ‘advocacy.’ CBS VP Linda Mason said Friday, “We ask that people not be involved in advocacy.” But Greg Sargent revealed instances in which CBS News military consultant Michael O’Hanlon has engaged in advocacy for the Iraq escalation.
Reason #2: Batiste was ‘raising money’ for VoteVets. Mason later amended her statement, saying “It isn’t just that he took an advocacy position. … General Batiste took part in a commercial that’s being shown on television to raise money for veterans against the war.” But the VoteVets ad that Batiste appears is not a fundraising ad.
Reason #3: Batiste was taking part in the ‘partisan political process.’ In fact, Batiste consciously avoided engaging in partisanship. Newsweek reports, “Batiste says he remains a ‘diehard Republican’ and has no intention of wading directly into the presidential campaign. … He took part in the VoteVets.org campaign, he says, because it’s a ‘nonpartisan group.’”
Were CBS truly concerned about not allowing its consultants to engage in the partisan political process, it would not have a McCain presidential campaign aide currently on staff.
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CBS is full of sh!t and they know it. They can give whatever excuse they want, but reality is that the fired Batiste for calling out George W Bush.
Fu*k you CBS!
May 14th, 2007 at 6:21 pmThem thar librul media elite are wreckin’ this country, ah say, ah say, they wreckin’ it!
May 14th, 2007 at 6:23 pmmaybe they don’t understand what the word partisan means.
May 14th, 2007 at 6:29 pmGod forbid someone puts country before party!!
May 14th, 2007 at 6:31 pmBatiste needs to run for Senate in his state….
May 14th, 2007 at 6:34 pmSo he can change things better than commercials on CBS…
Then CBS will be nice to him after being elected, and he could care less of they do or don’t the way they treated him.
Batiste needs to run for Senate in his state….
It will take someone of integrity like one of these generals to begin the long and difficult process of returning credibility to the Republican Party. The current regime has done deeper and more lasting damage to Republicans than they’ve done to Iraq.
Too bad, because the party once had some worthwhile ideals, like fiscal responsibility, freedom, personal accountability, and self-reliance. Instead, they are no longer the Republican Party, but the Republican Parody.
May 14th, 2007 at 6:42 pmCBS = Fox News affiliate.
May 14th, 2007 at 6:42 pmCome on guys, post the info to contact CBS again - this should be standard operating procedure every time you call someone out…
May 14th, 2007 at 6:42 pmIt’s only ‘partisan’ when you speak out against The Glorious War on Terror.
Duh!
May 14th, 2007 at 6:43 pmReason #4
My finger got stuck trying to fire Katy Couric and Baptiste got it instead.
May 14th, 2007 at 6:44 pmLike all major news outlets these days, CBS is sorely lacking in integrity.
May 14th, 2007 at 6:45 pmCBS obviously prefers having perky cheerleaders such as couric in the ranks rather than a stark realist such as General Batiste, nevermind couric’s dismal ratings.
May 14th, 2007 at 6:48 pmI am so sick of the LIBERAL MEDIA. Firing Gen. Batiste for criticizing President Bush is such an example of the LIBERAL BIAS that pervades our mainstream media. Every time a conservative comes out against PRESIDENT BUSH, they are attacked by the LIBERAL MEDIA and have their careers ruined.
Oh…wait…that doesn’t seem to make any sense. Why would the LIBERAL MEDIA fire someone that was anti-Bush? Oh, I get it. It’s a smokescreen to make us THINK that they have a LIBERAL BIAS.
I hate the LIBERAL MEDIA!!!
May 14th, 2007 at 6:54 pmAs much as I’m loathe to defend an MSM outlet, I’m not sure your reporting on this story is completely accurate. Votevets.org is indeed a political advocacy institution that funds political campaigns: “The goal of the VoteVets.org PAC is to put Iraq and Afghanistan War Veterans in Congress who are critical of the execution of the war in Iraq and representative of the principles of VoteVets.org PAC.” http://www.votevets.org/ index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=42
True, this organization is non-partisan in the sense that it is not Republican or Democratic but it acts more like it’s own political party, something akin to the old Ross Perot’s United We Stand.
May 14th, 2007 at 6:56 pmSo it’s a one-plank party?
May 14th, 2007 at 6:59 pmHow do they act “like it’s own political party”?
CBS = Chimpy BullSHIT!!
May 14th, 2007 at 7:02 pmNow, where are the trolls to tell us we don’t support the troops, when clearly we support this troop.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:04 pmI wonder what the reaction would have been from CBS if the add had been in favor of the war and was from a group with a name like,
My guess is that they would have no problem with that type of Bush friendly, corporate friendly, advocacy.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:06 pmI guess we need to keep emailing CBS –
email Faiz’s story - -
and tell them over and over that this is not acceptable.
I’m so tired of people just going about their daily business and not getting involved.
Didn’t Watergate teach anyone anything?
Sorry to vent. Just tired of my head exploding.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:10 pmThe best answer to CBS firing a true american patriot like General Batiste, is to send emails of protest to CBS.com, boycott there new programs and write letters to their sponsors.
Oh I forgot, no sense in writing to their sponsors, with Katie Couric running the evening news these days I kind of doubt they will have many sponsors left to write to.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:13 pmSorry to vent. Just tired of my head exploding.
Comment by trueblue #19
…don’t apologize trueblue…
…”venting” and peaceful activism…
…is why we come here…
…for now…
May 14th, 2007 at 7:16 pmThe downward spiral, which started with Dan Rather and his producer, continues…
May 14th, 2007 at 7:17 pmIs CBS now a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Faux Noise Network? Or is this another symptom of how the MSM has become so frightened of being labeled as having a “liberal bias” that they will stand on their head and gargle peanut butter if thats what it takes for them to not even smell “liberal”?? What the dumb bastards dont realize is that the American public is fed up with the conservative-bias in media and is striking back. Too bad the MSM is so thoroughly scared.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:17 pmEven Conservative wackos like me think the firing of General Batiste is an outrage.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:19 pmThanks big papa.
sometimes I feel like we’re all shouting in a crowded room, but no one hears.
It’s so frustrating.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:21 pmThe media is hyping/telegraphing the pending FALSE FLAG nuclear attack on our homeland.
It started with the outrageous question by Brian Williams during the Democratic Presidential Candidates Debate, and now all of the major media stars are setting us up by asking the same questions…”what will the result be in the vent of a nuclear strike on one or more American cities here at home?”
DO YOU GET IT???
Your own government leaders are going to nuke US territory to “justify” the imposition of MARTIAL LAW and the taking of the resources and territory of the Middle East - for BIG OIL and ISRAEL - all under the control of David Rockefeller - and his controlled media is telegraphing the punch to prepare you for it.
If you allow yourself to fall victim to this charade, given the OBVIOUS warnings, you deserve the results.
Arrest Dick Cheney - today.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:22 pmCBS is indeed on a downward spiral. Their management decisions of the past few years have been harmful. They should start at the top and replace management before CBS becomes widely known as the
Company of Bull Shit.
I don’t know about you guys, but I have sent so many emails to so many corporations in my address file it makes my eyes glaze over when searching for the correct one. Yet, I don’t think anything we do has an effect.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:24 pmCBS must be taking advice from the Alberto Gonzales DOJ school of obfuscation and disinformation.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:24 pm.
Faiz notes: “Reason #3: Batiste was taking part in the ‘partisan political process.’ In fact, Batiste consciously avoided engaging in partisanship. Newsweek reports, “Batiste says he remains a ‘diehard Republican’ and has no intention of wading directly into the presidential campaign. … He took part in the VoteVets.org campaign, he says, because it’s a ‘nonpartisan group.’â€
VoteVets gets a chunk of change from George “Move-ON” Soros. I went to VoteVets looked up their “board” - not a Republican among them. They’re about as non-partisan as the DNC……
May 14th, 2007 at 7:28 pmOK, how about a new rule. If the networks are going to disqualify anyone who has gotten money directly or indirectly from Soros, they also have to disqualify anyone who has gotten some from Richard Mellon Sciafe. Oh, oh, you’d lose 75% of your pundits.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:40 pmNo part in ANY partisan political processes? What does it mean? They won’t take any part in elections? debates? conventions? inagurations? Aren’t these partisan political processes?
Which third grader at CBS wrote-up this excuse?
May 14th, 2007 at 7:41 pmValiant: “I went to VoteVets looked up their “board†- not a Republican among them. They’re about as non-partisan as the DNC……”
Alright then. Nobody gets on from the Federalist Society — I looked at their “board” - not a Democrat among them.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:42 pmVoteVets gets a chunk of change from George “Move-ON†Soros. I went to VoteVets looked up their “board†- not a Republican among them. They’re about as non-partisan as the DNC……
Comment by valiant venus
Just a bunch of vets, people who have actually served in combat, including general officers. And you are . . .
Why would anyone listen to people who had actually served when we have an administration run by chickenhawks, a punditry powered by chickenhawks, and a whollllllllllllllle lot of trolls who haven’t the guts to put their arses on the line for the occupation. IOW, STFU!
May 14th, 2007 at 7:42 pmgood riddance to bad rubbish
May 14th, 2007 at 7:43 pmDoes CBS hire their lawyers from Regent University too?
May 14th, 2007 at 7:44 pmPoints #1 - 3 are all valid. Those who disagree can’t say shiiit.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:44 pmgood riddance to bad rubbish
Comment by Mr. President —
OK.
BUH-BYE, THEN…….
May 14th, 2007 at 7:46 pmCBS is part of the Liberal Media. Why do they keep coming up with excuses, they don’t need to. It’s there business, they can fire the gays and the traitors if they please. It’s their prerogative.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:47 pmAnyone who wants to tell CBS how to run THEIR network has a totalitarian political worldview. Y’all say you believe in freedom, but when it comes down to it, you can’t stand freedom.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:49 pm“good riddance to bad rubbish” - Mr. President Trailertrash
Yep, yer either fur us, or yer agin us. Either you clamp on to Darth Cheney’s member, or we’ll swift boat ya, even if you were a decorated general. Yer just a flippin-floppin, jibber-jabberin, bleedin heart, limp-wristed, evildoer-empowerin… um whut wuz I sayin? Uh…. I’m a COMMANDER GUY. Heh-heh-heh. Gobble Gobble.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:53 pmCBS is part of the Liberal Media.
Welcome to 1984, by Mr. Presidpstick.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:54 pmYou might as well post it that way, because the minute that you say any mass media outlet is liberal, the rest is just blah blah blah.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:55 pmYo - -
Ass-Bag “Pres” #39
Did you read the story?
Were CBS truly concerned about not allowing its consultants to engage in the partisan political process, it would not have a McCain presidential campaign aide currently on staff.
Looking for a little thing called EQUALITY. FAIRNESS.
Something you simply don’t understand.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:56 pmAnyone that thinks that all of the networks should band together and push one viewpoint IS part of a totalitarian party.
May 14th, 2007 at 7:56 pmAnyone that thinks that all of the networks should band together and push one viewpoint IS part of a totalitarian party.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Sss-NAP, Spudge_Boy!
:)
May 14th, 2007 at 7:59 pmPresidipstick sez…
“CBS is part of the Liberal Media.”
then sez…
“Anyone who wants to tell CBS how to run THEIR network has a totalitarian political worldview.”
I guess you’re too stupid to see irony. Nobody has whined more about media bias than the holy fascist rightwing fringe.
Y’all say you believe in freedom, but when it comes down to it, you can’t stand freedom.
Just to be clear, dipstick, in a free country, one exercises freedom of speech by voicing dissent. In a free market, one expresses dissent by choosing to boycott sponsors of speech of which they don’t approve.
You got a problem with that? Take it up with Thomas Jefferson.
What kind of freedom would YOU fight for, Mr. Presidipstick?
May 14th, 2007 at 8:00 pmVoteVets gets a chunk of change from George “Move-ON†Soros. I went to VoteVets looked up their “board†- not a Republican among them. They’re about as non-partisan as the DNC……
Comment by valiant anus — May 14, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
You’ve built up such a reserve of good will, and such a reputation for trustworthiness on this board, Anus, that I’m a little embarrassed to admit that I went and checked out the board that ypou say has “not a Republican among them”.
You must have missed the third member listed, Sam Schultz, who is said to have run in the Republican primary for Congress. And Lawrence Korb, who was Assistant Secretary for Defense under Ronald Reagan. And, of course, the controversial Maj. Gen Batiste, who has been widely quoted in the news as saying he’s a “die-hard Republican”.
Oops. How embarrassing for you.
Oh, and of course, most of the members of the board of directors listed are simply combat vets, with no political affiliation shown. Of course, that MUST mean they’re Democrats, right? And simply ashamed to admit it?
May 14th, 2007 at 8:01 pm#43
I don’t think I said anything about equality or fairness… hold on let me go check… nope… I said that CBS can run their business how they please. IT IS THEIR BUSINESS….
Ya Doucher
May 14th, 2007 at 8:04 pmOooh, mickey r,
Double Sss-NAP!
:)))
May 14th, 2007 at 8:04 pmThey can’t all be democrats. Because we all know that only brave strong patriotic republicans serve in the military. Wait, that would mean the people on the board are…..
Hang on just a damn minute.
Either the vets are republicans, blowing mighty aphrodite’s argument out of the water or they are democrats, which also blows mighty aphrodite’s story out of the water.
Make up your mind on which lie you want to tell mighty aphrodite.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:06 pm#44
Only if they are coerced into doing so. But as Gen Buttiste firing was a free decision on the part of CBS, there is nothing wrong with their action.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:07 pmCBS is part of the Liberal Media. Why do they keep coming up with excuses, they don’t need to. It’s there business, they can fire the gays and the traitors if they please. It’s their prerogative.
Comment by Mr. President — May 14, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
Before I didn’t actually believe this was George W. Bush but after seeing stuff like “it’s there business” I’m convinced.
And I’m sure your contributions to this great nation, military and otherwise, make those of Gen. Batiste seem ridiculous by comparison. Hence your casual willingness to call him a “traitor” (or maybe you were calling him “gay”? Which was it?)
May 14th, 2007 at 8:07 pmNot when they are using the public airwaves dumb fu*k.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:07 pm#45
I would’ve gone with “Ohh… shnappp!”
That’s “Ohh… shnappp!”
May 14th, 2007 at 8:08 pmVoteVets gets a chunk of change from George “Move-ON†Soros. I went to VoteVets looked up their “board†- not a Republican among them. They’re about as non-partisan as the DNC……
Comment by valiant venus — May 14, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
You are frankly full of shit. I went to their site. Saw nothing about George Soros, anywhere. And their board is all ex-military. You repeatedly talk about how military is all Republcan but now you’re going to guess that they’re Democrats.
Just keep making stuff up, nobody believes anything you say anyway, L I A R.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:08 pm#46
Actually Jefferson was in favor of more governmental control. He had less faith in you people.
If it weren’t for Patrick Henry and George Mason, we may not have had the Bill of Rights as we know and love it today.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:10 pmCBS is part of the Liberal Media. Why do they keep coming up with excuses, they don’t need to. It’s there business, they can fire the gays and the traitors if they please. It’s their prerogative.
Comment by Mr. President — May 14, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
Sure they can, and we can all stop watching, oh, I guess we already have.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:11 pm#51
A little of both, take your pick.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:11 pm“I don’t think I said anything about equality or fairness… hold on let me go check… nope… I said that CBS can run their business how they please. IT IS THEIR BUSINESS….” Mr. Presidipstick
You contribute to global warming every time you open your yapper, don’t you?
You said “CBS is part of the Liberal Media,†thereby expressing your opinion on how CBS conducts its business. Then you attack others for expressing their opinion on how CBS conducts its business.
Your ilk has spent the past 15 years beating the media into quiescent submission. Now, we’re pushing back. Don’t like it? Move to some right wing dictatorship where your standards are appreciated.
Why do you hate freedom of speech? Why do you hate free markets?
What’s it like to go through life as a crusty dingleberry?
May 14th, 2007 at 8:13 pm#52
Dear Jimmy Doucher,
No that’s still what I said.
And if they didn’t have sponsers they would go under, so let’s let the free market decide their fate, shallst we?
May 14th, 2007 at 8:13 pmWhat a totally f*cking ignorant a$$hole this troll is.
(those of you who know me know that me using those words means quite a lot.)
This one is simply not worthy of an answer.
Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
Ugh.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:14 pm#56
I hadn’t read your post before I sent my last.
Tell Jimmy Doucher what’s up.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:14 pmIf you love it so much, then why do you back a party that wants to destroy it?
May 14th, 2007 at 8:15 pm#57
So you’re both more manly and more patriotic than a battle-hardened Major General in the US Army. Got it. Must be the codpiece.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:17 pm#58
In response to: “You contribute to global warming every time you open your yapper, don’t you”?
I do my best, thanks for noticing.
In response to: “Now, we’re pushing back. Don’t like it”?
No, actually I do like it.
In response to: “Why do you hate freedom of speech”?
I like freedom of speech. That’s how I can call people Jimmy Doucher and shit.
In response to: “Why do you hate free markets”?
Sometimes it sucks when you wanna get a CD or some shit, and their sold out, so then you have to wait untill the get more.
In response to: “What’s it like to go through life as a crusty dingleberry”?
I’ve often wondered the same, my friend, let’s ask Ob/sama!
May 14th, 2007 at 8:20 pm“Actually Jefferson was in favor of more governmental control. He had less faith in you people.
If it weren’t for Patrick Henry and George Mason, we may not have had the Bill of Rights as we know and love it today.” - Mr. Presidipstick
You are confused by Jefferson’s belief in a republican government. He was a foremost proponent of rights and freedoms.
In his 1801 inaugural address, President Thomas Jefferson reaffirmed the principle of free speech saying, “If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.” Reason is the tool to use to change opinions—not censorship.
Perhaps you should read up on Jeffersonian Democracy.
“In its core ideals it is characterized by the following elements, which the Jeffersonians expressed in their speeches and legislation:
* The core political value of America is representative Democracy; citizens have a civic duty to aid the state and resist corruption, especially monarchism and aristocracy.
* The Yeoman Farmer best exemplifies republican virtue and independence from corrupting city influences; government policy should be for his benefit. Financiers, bankers and industrialists make cities the cesspools of corruption, and should be avoided.
* Americans have a duty to spread what Jefferson called the “Empire of Liberty” to the world, but should avoid “entangling alliances.”
* The national government is a dangerous necessity to be instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation or community; it should be watched closely and circumscribed in its powers. Most Anti-Federalists from 1787-88 joined the Jeffersonians.
* Republicanism,also known as representative Democracy, is the best form of government and representative democracy is needed to prevent the tyranny by the majority, as Madison explained in Federalist No. 10
* The wall of separation between church and state is the best method to keep religion free from intervention by the federal government, government free of religious disputes, and religion free from corruption by government.
* The federal government must not violate the rights of individuals. The Bill of Rights is a central theme.
* The federal government must not violate the rights of the states. The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions of 1798 (written secretly by Jefferson and Madison) proclaim these principles.
* Freedom of speech and the press is the best method to prevent the tyranny of the people by their own government. The Jeffersonians’ violation of this idea through the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 became a major issue.
* A standing army and navy are dangerous to liberty and should be avoided; much better was to use economic coercion such as the embargo.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:21 pmSpudge Boy,
I don’t back any parties, I don’t even vote. I’m really just f*ckin’ around.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:21 pm#61
I don’t believe that was implied in my post, hold on let me check…
nope, sure wasn’t.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:22 pmFor Mr. Presidipstick:
CBS On The Defensive, Offers Third Phony Rationale For Firing Gen. Batiste
Deal with it, loser.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:23 pm* The core political value of America is representative Democracy; citizens have a civic duty to aid the state and resist corruption, especially monarchism and aristocracy.
Do YOU comprehend the meaning of this, J. Douchebag III.
This says that citizens have a duty to aid the state… marinate on that, Biyatch
May 14th, 2007 at 8:28 pmHmmmm. CBS. CBS. C. B. S. Cee Bee Ess.
Is he still alive?!?!? Oh, well, back to HBO!
May 14th, 2007 at 8:32 pm* The Yeoman Farmer best exemplifies republican virtue and independence from corrupting city influences; government policy should be for his benefit. Financiers, bankers and industrialists make cities the cesspools of corruption, and should be avoided.
This is taken straight from Aristotle… Politics Book VI Chapter 4…
“Of the four kinds of democracy, the first in order is the best, as we said in the discussions before these. It is also the oldest of them all. But I call it first as one might distinguish people. For the first of best kind of people is the farming kind, and so it is also possible to create a democracy where the multitude live by cultivationg the land or herding flocks. For because they do not have much proplerty, they lack leisure and cannot attend meetings of the assembly frequently. And because they do not have the necessities, they are busy at their tasks and do not desire other people’s property. Indeed, they find working more pleasant than engaging in politics and holding office, where no great profit is to be had…”
The Founding Father knew what was up… Do you?
May 14th, 2007 at 8:33 pm* Americans have a duty to spread what Jefferson called the “Empire of Liberty†to the world, but should avoid “entangling alliances.â€
Yeah, like Iraq and Assganistan
May 14th, 2007 at 8:34 pm* The national government is a dangerous necessity to be instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation or community; it should be watched closely and circumscribed in its powers. Most Anti-Federalists from 1787-88 joined the Jeffersonians.
* Republicanism,also known as representative Democracy, is the best form of government and representative democracy is needed to prevent the tyranny by the majority, as Madison explained in Federalist No. 10
* The wall of separation between church and state is the best method to keep religion free from intervention by the federal government, government free of religious disputes, and religion free from corruption by government.
* The federal government must not violate the rights of individuals. The Bill of Rights is a central theme.
* The federal government must not violate the rights of the states. The Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions of 1798 (written secretly by Jefferson and Madison) proclaim these principles.
* Freedom of speech and the press is the best method to prevent the tyranny of the people by their own government. The Jeffersonians’ violation of this idea through the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 became a major issue.
* A standing army and navy are dangerous to liberty and should be avoided; much better was to use economic coercion such as the embargo.
There was no need to post all of this shit.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:35 pmThere was no need to post all of this shit.
Comment by Mr. President — May 14, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
… because I won’t read it anyway. And if I do happen to read it by mistake, I won’t absorb it.
Comment by Mr. President — May 14, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
May 14th, 2007 at 8:40 pmHemlock for Gadflies,
I take your name as a person insult sir… I challenge you.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:41 pm* The core political value of America is representative Democracy; citizens have a civic duty to aid the state and resist corruption, especially monarchism and aristocracy.
Do YOU comprehend the meaning of this - Mr. Presidipstick
Yes!! Finally you understand why we need to aid the Congress in resisting the corruption of King George’s aristo-theocracy.
I’m so proud of you for finally getting it.
Now, can you give us an equally lucid summary of all the other parts of Jeffersonian Democracy?
Good boy.
Oh, and in case you’re getting confused about the topic of this thread, here it is again:
May 14th, 2007 at 8:42 pmCBS On The Defensive, Offers Third Phony Rationale For Firing Gen. Batiste
mikey r
Heyooooo!!!!!!!!
Good for you lil’ mikey. At least you gave it a shot, unlike the pussys who I just nailed.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:44 pmhttp://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/128091
Posted on Mon, May. 14, 2007
U.S. Embassy employees fearful over Green Zone attacks
By Leila Fadel McClatchy Newspapers
May 14th, 2007 at 8:46 pmgorn,
Yes, I could give you a lucid summary, but, you’ll probably not like what you hear. Ya see, the government wants to keep you right where you are, rich or poor. They know what they are doing, so they feed you candy and you suck it all up. Educate yourself before you go propagating Jeffersonian ideals.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:47 pmmissing troops x3
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/128090
An American nightmare: US search for kidnapped troops in Iraq
By Patrick Cockburn in Baghdad
May 14th, 2007 at 8:47 pmPublished: 15 May 2007
Mikey - Lawrence Korb is not a Repub, unless he’s changed party affiliation. Can you please explain why VOTEVET does not call itself “VOTEVET - NO IRAQ” - they don’t represent a wide swath of veterans - just Liberals……. (like the “esteemed” Dem Party nominee, General Wesley Clark.)
Tooodles………..
May 14th, 2007 at 8:48 pm“There was no need to post all of this shit.” - Mr. Presidipstick
Interesting to see that you consider the following to be shit:
* The national government is a dangerous necessity to be instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation or community; it should be watched closely and circumscribed in its powers.
* Republicanism,also known as representative Democracy, is the best form of government and representative democracy is needed to prevent the tyranny by the majority, as Madison explained in Federalist No. 10
* The wall of separation between church and state is the best method to keep religion free from intervention by the federal government, government free of religious disputes, and religion free from corruption by government.
* The federal government must not violate the rights of individuals. The Bill of Rights is a central theme.
* The federal government must not violate the rights of the states.
* Freedom of speech and the press is the best method to prevent the tyranny of the people by their own government.
I guess it’s too much for you to just up and admit something like “I, Mr. Presidipstick, was wrong in suggesting that Jefferson’s views of fundamental rights, most of which are normally embraced even by Republicans, just as I am wrong about pretty much everything, always.”
That’s ok, you don’t need to say it. We all understand it implicitly.
And, here’s the topic of the thread:
CBS On The Defensive, Offers Third Phony Rationale For Firing Gen. Batiste
You know, a true patriot and hero, who you called “bad rubbish”, was fired for exercising his freedom of speech and upholding his duty as a citizen to “aid the state and resist corruption, especially monarchism and aristocracy”. Remember?
May 14th, 2007 at 8:49 pmAssociated Press - May 14, 2007 5:53 PM ET
The US military says six US troops died today in Iraq.
5 of the troops were killed in separate attacks in Baghdad and in surrounding areas south of the capital. A sixth soldier died of non-combat-related causes.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:49 pm“unlike the pussys who I just nailed” - Mr. Presidipstick
Let’s leave your momma and sisters out if it, okay?
May 14th, 2007 at 8:50 pmMikey - Lawrence Korb is not a Repub, unless he’s changed party affiliation. Can you please explain why VOTEVET does not call itself “VOTEVET - NO IRAQ†- they don’t represent a wide swath of veterans - just Liberals……. (like the “esteemed†Dem Party nominee, General Wesley Clark.) Tooodles……….. Comment by valiant venus — May 14, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
I would explain why this post is grammatically, factually, and morally and intellectually dishonest - but you’ve already stated repeatedly that you aren’t here to *debate* or *discuss*, but instead to simply *harass* and *belittle* those that are here. This is no exception.
You’re a dishonest, immoral and perverse human being that should be wearing a straitjacket instead of typing with those little Anorexic Rat fingers of yours. St*pid c*nt.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:51 pmLet’s leave your momma and sisters out if it, okay?
Comment by gorn by any other name — May 14, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
You say that, as though it’s a different person! ;)
May 14th, 2007 at 8:52 pmwhat really happens in iraq, that nevers gets to our tv
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/128062
Iraqi Resistance Report for events of Sunday, 13 May 2007-Translated and/or compiled by Muhammad Abu Nasr, member, editorial board, the Free Arab Voice. http://www.freearabvoice.org
Sunday, 13 May 2007
May 14th, 2007 at 8:52 pmTo paraphrase Thomas Jefferson:,
“A government big enough to give you everything is powerful enough to take it all away….” Ahhhh, A liberal dream……..
Tooodle, Progs………
May 14th, 2007 at 8:53 pmComment by gorn by any other name — May 14, 2007 @ 8:50 pm
Dude, do we really need to be cutting and pasting shit from the Jeffersonian Club website. If you have one or two topics, bring ‘em up, don’t expect me to go through the whole cot damn manifesto
May 14th, 2007 at 8:53 pmCBS On The Defensive, Offers Third Phony Rationale For Firing Gen. Batiste
You know, a true patriot and hero, who you called “bad rubbishâ€, was fired for exercising his freedom of speech and upholding his duty as a citizen to “aid the state and resist corruption, especially monarchism and aristocracyâ€. Remember?
Comment by gorn by any other name — May 14, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
Exactly, he spoke freely. They fired him, freely. It’s called freedom. Remember?
May 14th, 2007 at 8:54 pmbush nightmares in iraq
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/127941
Iraqi Resistance Report for events of Saturday, 12 May 2007. Translated and/or compiled by Muhammad Abu Nasr, member, editorial board, the Free Arab Voice.
Saturday, 12 May 2007.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:55 pm#86
Your comment doesn’t make any sense
May 14th, 2007 at 8:55 pmGen. Batiste a white angel, honorable man.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:56 pm- - - Free Arab Voice - - -
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That is tooooooo much…. ohhh…. shit……
May 14th, 2007 at 8:57 pm#88
I don’t know what you’re trying to accomplish with that statement… but, o.k…. and……. ?
May 14th, 2007 at 8:57 pmrepublican murderers kill our us troops.
republicans hate us troops
May 14th, 2007 at 8:58 pm“Dude, do we really need to be cutting and pasting shit from the Jeffersonian Club website. If you have one or two topics, bring ‘em up, don’t expect me to go through the whole cot damn manifesto” - Mr. Presidipstick
Actually, I’d be happy if you would just refrain from besmirching true patriots like Jefferson and General Batiste.
I’m sorry if you find it too difficult to read several bullet points. Might require, I don’t know, a half a minute of your time to digest enough so that you’d realize you were wrong and simply admit it.
Then again, personal accountability hasn’t been even a dream of Republicans for at least six years, so actually I expect nothing other than the dissembling crap that’s emerging from your fingertips.
May 14th, 2007 at 8:58 pmGen. Batiste a white angel,
sppss… we’re posting the racist comments on the thread that says “niger”
May 14th, 2007 at 9:00 pm“Exactly, he spoke freely. They fired him, freely. It’s called freedom. Remember?” - Mr. Presidipstick
Who said otherwise, you friggin idiot? Just as we are free to complain to CBS and their sponsors. FREE! GET IT???!!!!
Did you or did you not claim that those who would protest CBS are “totalitarian”?
To think our country has been in the hands of mealy mouthed cranial infarctions like you for over six years now….. uggghhhh!
May 14th, 2007 at 9:01 pmActually, I’d be happy if you would just refrain from besmirching true patriots like Jefferson
I love Jefferson I didn’t besmirch him, I said he knows what’s up with Aristotle
May 14th, 2007 at 9:01 pmrepublicans are killers of our usa troops. they know that they are murderers of these soldiers. they are liable for the death of every soldier.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:02 pmThen again, personal accountability hasn’t been even a dream of Republicans for at least six years, so actually I expect nothing other than the dissembling crap that’s emerging from your fingertips.
Comment by gorn by any other name — May 14, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
Actually, personal accountability and responsibility is what Republicans are all about. It’s the Dems who think the are entitled to free shit just because the breath. Republicans know that we had to work to get to where we are today, and we still need to work so that we may maintain the luxerious lives with which God has blest us.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:04 pmhow many soldiers did the republican murder today?
Is it Mitch Mcconnel or Boehner you fired the gun?
Republicans are murderers!
May 14th, 2007 at 9:04 pmBatiste is hot. Wesley is hot too.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:04 pmDid you or did you not claim that those who would protest CBS are “totalitarian�
I did not, read the post:
“Anyone who wants to tell CBS how to run THEIR network has a totalitarian political worldview. Y’all say you believe in freedom, but when it comes down to it, you can’t stand freedom.”
Apology accepted
May 14th, 2007 at 9:06 pmCongressional and WH employees are murderers of our US troops!
See the blood dripping off of the Republicans hands.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:07 pmTo think our country has been in the hands of mealy mouthed cranial infarctions like you for over six years now….. uggghhhh!
You might need to dumb down the insults a little… maybe something with dickboy… or douchebag… those go over better in a forum such as this.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:07 pm“I love Jefferson I didn’t besmirch him, I said he knows what’s up with Aristotle” - Mr. Presidipstick
Not quite. What you said was:
Actually Jefferson was in favor of more governmental control. He had less faith in you people.
Which completely pisses on Jefferson’s record of clearly protecting individual rights.
then you said
If it weren’t for Patrick Henry and George Mason, we may not have had the Bill of Rights as we know and love it today.
So, you “love Jefferson” yet you believe if it were up to Jeffersion “we may not have had the Bill of Rights”. So what you love about him is that you think he was against individual rights and restraint of government, in other words you thought that he appealed to your authoritarian ideals? WTF? And this all goes back to your railing on about how we are promoting totalitarianism by protesting the stupidity of CBS?
You make no sense, boy. None at all.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:09 pm“You might need to dumb down the insults a little… maybe something with dickboy… or douchebag… those go over better in a forum such as this.” Mr. Presidipstick
No, I think “cranial infarction” suits you perfectly and will be well embraced by this audience.
Remember, this isn’t foxnews.com. We actually can use polysyllabic words here.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:12 pmI see, you skipped over the post that was above a third grade reading level. Well here, let me cut and paste it for ya:
* The Yeoman Farmer best exemplifies republican virtue and independence from corrupting city influences; government policy should be for his benefit. Financiers, bankers and industrialists make cities the cesspools of corruption, and should be avoided.
This is taken straight from Aristotle… Politics Book VI Chapter 4…
“Of the four kinds of democracy, the first in order is the best, as we said in the discussions before these. It is also the oldest of them all. But I call it first as one might distinguish people. For the first of best kind of people is the farming kind, and so it is also possible to create a democracy where the multitude live by cultivationg the land or herding flocks. For because they do not have much proplerty, they lack leisure and cannot attend meetings of the assembly frequently. And because they do not have the necessities, they are busy at their tasks and do not desire other people’s property. Indeed, they find working more pleasant than engaging in politics and holding office, where no great profit is to be had…â€
The Founding Father knew what was up… Do you?
psssst… (the Founding Father is Jefferson, in case you forgot who we were talking about, it’s o.k.)
May 14th, 2007 at 9:12 pm#109
Heyooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 14th, 2007 at 9:13 pmSo, you “love Jefferson†yet you believe if it were up to Jeffersion “we may not have had the Bill of Rightsâ€. So what you love about him is that you think he was against individual rights and restraint of government, in other words you thought that he appealed to your authoritarian ideals? WTF? And this all goes back to your railing on about how we are promoting totalitarianism by protesting the stupidity of CBS?
Yeah, your partly right. I like how he didn’t want to give just anyone full blown rights (and you should really look this up, the Constitution did not originally have a Bill of Rights) but I would prefer less gov.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:15 pm#6. Not a chance in hell General Batiste runs for Senate because
1) He’s from New York, and Hillary and Schumer aren’t going anywhere (Not even to the White House in Hillary’s case)
2) More importantly, he’s from Upstate New York (Rochester to be exact) and people from NYC can barely find upstate, much less vote from someone from there. The House, on the other hand, would be perfect, since the 28%’er in there now from the southern part of the Rochester area (Randy Kuhl) has proven to be next to worthless.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:15 pm“I see, you skipped over the post that was above a third grade reading level.” - Mr. Presidipstick
I bypassed it because you were laying so many petards under your feet as it was.
Let me re-post the specific wording for your benefit:
“government policy should be for his benefit. Financiers, bankers and industrialists make cities the cesspools of corruption, and should be avoided”
Here, “his”, the farmer, is symbolic for the common citizen.
Think hard on this now. Jefferson believed that government policy should be for the benefit of all the people, not a select few elitists.
What made sense in those days as “farmers” and “cities”, now can be construed as “the people” and “the aristocracy”. For example, the oil wealth that drives the leaders of this country perfectly represent the “cesspools of corruption to be avoided”. He felt the best way to make sure “farmers” didn’t get trampled by the moneyed elite was through representative democracy.
Jefferson was also in favor of individuial freedoms such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, etc., so as I’ve stated abundently, you’ve been wrong from alpha to omega.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:30 pm#113 Witt,
you made good points…
May 14th, 2007 at 9:34 pmGorn, you seem like a good person. Jefferson was more conservative then you think but that’s ok… and hey, I’ll make sure you don’t get tramped too hard by us who are doing things, and having things
May 14th, 2007 at 9:45 pmJust don’t watch CBS programming folks, plain and simple.Why allow Corporations to run our lives.I am proud of the fact that the only show I watch with any regularity is Olberman’s countdown on MSNBC.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:47 pmThe CBS,NBC & ABC are all part of the Repuke machinations.Now that’s not democracy is it ?Why are som many importants news not brought to our attention through television because they(media) see themselves as part of the Repuke party.And we can thank the liberal icon Bill Clinton for (Tel.act of 1996) that has allowed no diversity in our media outlets.And yet still many so called “liberals” will vote for his wife:A Tragic shame indeed.
I don’t back any parties, I don’t even vote. I’m really just f*ckin’ around.
Comment by Mr. President — May 14, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Small favors….
May 14th, 2007 at 9:57 pmMikey - Lawrence Korb is not a Repub, unless he’s changed party affiliation. Can you please explain why VOTEVET does not call itself “VOTEVET - NO IRAQ†- they don’t represent a wide swath of veterans - just Liberals……. (like the “esteemed†Dem Party nominee, General Wesley Clark.)
Tooodles………..
Comment by valiant anus — May 14, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
Okay, low-hanging fruit first: you said clearly, “not a Republican among them”. You dispute the gentleman who was Assistant Secretary of Defense under Reagan. Fine. There are still two others who are clearly Republicans on the list. So you were either inaccurate or you lied. Which was it?
And can you tell us for what position was Wesley Clark a “Dem Party nominee”?
Thanks, Anus.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:09 pmSimply stated, it is the policy of CBS that it will not take any part in any partisan political process in any form
BWWAHAHAAHAHAHHAH!!!~
May 14th, 2007 at 10:32 pm#3
“maybe they don’t understand what the word partisan means.”
Comment by gfw —
You think maybe they think it’s Japanese slang for a guy who parties a lot?
May 14th, 2007 at 10:34 pmSounds like the reasons for invading a destroyed thirld world country named Iraq.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:55 pmSeems like their rationale for firing Batiste is like the evolving reasons for going to war in Iraq, or the reason that the US Attorneys were fired.
In other words, someone said, “Let’s do it.” and some underling said: “OK” and we’ll think of the reason later.
May 15th, 2007 at 12:17 amIn other words, someone said, “Let’s do it.†and some underling said: “OK†and we’ll think of the reason later.
Comment by Liberty Lover — May 15, 2007 @ 12:17 am
The Plan in it’s entirety.
May 15th, 2007 at 12:23 am“Let’s do it.†and some underling said: “OK†and we’ll think of the reason later.
Comment by Liberty Lover
The reason that they were about to give to the US population. The real motives were always knew.
May 15th, 2007 at 12:43 amGorn, you seem like a good person.
Well, yes I am. Thanks.
Jefferson was more conservative then you think but that’s ok…
It’s silly to try to frame him as either conservative or liberal in today’s terminology. For example, he was a free-thinking non-Christian (liberal!!) but also owned slaves (conservative!!!).
and hey, I’ll make sure you don’t get tramped too hard by us who are doing things, and having things
Eh?
May 15th, 2007 at 1:55 amAmazing stuff, I won’t watch CBS for doing this to protect the criminal Georgie Boy, and will boycott their advertisers.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:25 amYeah, Captain Video…When Disney gives money to right wing corporatists it is NOT partison. Get a life.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:36 amIs Nicole Wallace Jewish? Batiste likely is not. There is another angle to this. Seems prominent media Jews support the war, and don’t get fired. Like it or not folks, there really is an ethnic slant to this. Zionists are behind much of what has gone on in the name of the American Republic.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:46 amCBS. Brought to you by Karl Rove.
May 15th, 2007 at 12:58 pmHow do we get to say FU CBS?
May 15th, 2007 at 7:23 pmWhat I also hate is that they get the VP to go out and make the official statement. I wonder who it was that made the actual decision? Why isn’t Sumner Redstone putting his face out there defending the actions of his network? Of course, he’ll send one of his loyal minions to do his dirty work all the while saying “let them eat cake.”
May 16th, 2007 at 2:43 pmI no longer read CBS news. I suggest that all readers shun and avoid CBS news. The only way to get the media to rethink their bias points of views is to hit them where it hurts- in the pocket book. Don’t read their news, get news elsewhere.
May 20th, 2007 at 10:57 pm