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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Light on facts&#8217; Padilla trial begins.</title>
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		<title>By: Choclate Jesus loves anulingus</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/14/light-on-facts-padilla-trial-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-3802951</link>
		<dc:creator>Choclate Jesus loves anulingus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 05:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make no mistake guys...this entire fiasco was an nothing but an attempt by the Bush regime to get the Supremes stamp of approval to hold american citizens indefinitely without charges or trial.  One of padilla&#039;s lawyers came and spoke at our law school when he was still being held as an &quot;enemy combatant&quot;, and while obviously she didnt discuss any case specifics, this is what I gather: The government found some scary looking brown skinned american with a seedy past who made some questionable decisions about who to hang out with, and decided that such a scumbag was the perfect  &quot;test case&quot; (a sort of anti-Rosa Parks) to get a favorble supreme court ruling in favor of thier assertion that an american citizen can be held without trial for the length of the war on terror (i.e. forever). Thank god the Supreme Court didnt go along, (see Hamdi v Rumsfeld for precedent that was very damaging to George &quot;we know saddam has WMD&#039;s&quot; Bush  attempt to get a court ruling in favor of he and all future executives being allowed to hold people indefinitely simply based on his (possibly untrue) allegations. Now, just to save face, they are throwing some ridiculous ambigious charges at him that are, in all likelyhood, unconstitionally vauge. The 9th circuit has, in the past, had the courage to actually assert that there are unconstitional elements to some of these providing &quot;material aid&quot; to &quot;terrorist organiztions&quot; charges...namely that the definition of &quot;material aid&quot; is overbroad and that trying to define who is in an organization with no official membership roster is also constitionally problematic. The way some of these laws or worded, a guy who delivered pizza to one of 9-11 hijackers could conceivably be charged with a felony.

Apparently, to the flaghumping bush lovers, somewhere in the constitution is says that &quot;innocent until proven guilty&quot; doesnt apply to any accused of involvement with terrorism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make no mistake guys&#8230;this entire fiasco was an nothing but an attempt by the Bush regime to get the Supremes stamp of approval to hold american citizens indefinitely without charges or trial.  One of padilla&#8217;s lawyers came and spoke at our law school when he was still being held as an &#8220;enemy combatant&#8221;, and while obviously she didnt discuss any case specifics, this is what I gather: The government found some scary looking brown skinned american with a seedy past who made some questionable decisions about who to hang out with, and decided that such a scumbag was the perfect  &#8220;test case&#8221; (a sort of anti-Rosa Parks) to get a favorble supreme court ruling in favor of thier assertion that an american citizen can be held without trial for the length of the war on terror (i.e. forever). Thank god the Supreme Court didnt go along, (see Hamdi v Rumsfeld for precedent that was very damaging to George &#8220;we know saddam has WMD&#8217;s&#8221; Bush  attempt to get a court ruling in favor of he and all future executives being allowed to hold people indefinitely simply based on his (possibly untrue) allegations. Now, just to save face, they are throwing some ridiculous ambigious charges at him that are, in all likelyhood, unconstitionally vauge. The 9th circuit has, in the past, had the courage to actually assert that there are unconstitional elements to some of these providing &#8220;material aid&#8221; to &#8220;terrorist organiztions&#8221; charges&#8230;namely that the definition of &#8220;material aid&#8221; is overbroad and that trying to define who is in an organization with no official membership roster is also constitionally problematic. The way some of these laws or worded, a guy who delivered pizza to one of 9-11 hijackers could conceivably be charged with a felony.</p>
<p>Apparently, to the flaghumping bush lovers, somewhere in the constitution is says that &#8220;innocent until proven guilty&#8221; doesnt apply to any accused of involvement with terrorism.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802951', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr. President</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. President</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 23:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey david, is that a zucchini in your pocket or are you just happy to see me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey david, is that a zucchini in your pocket or are you just happy to see me<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802549', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 22:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m12 and J Scott and Mr President, you need to take time out and read or watch the movie of &lt;strong&gt;The Ox-Bow Incident&lt;/strong&gt;. American freedom and democracy is founded upon the due process of law. That means clear charges and the right to a speedy and public trial. It would seem the government didn&#039;t have very good evidence for the more serious charges and, if we can believe the judge, the evidence for the lessor charge is &#039;thin&#039;. Why then has this man been in prison so long? What was the delay all about? Was he tortured? Did this torture no reveal any important secrets? Or did it reveal that he was innocent and merely guilty of mischief or perhaps nothing at all.

It is so pathetic that the staff at the DoJ are all resigning, stonewalling, taking the 5th, destroying evidence, or developing amnesia while this man has languished in prison for longer than any sentence for the crime he might be convicted of. For shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m12 and J Scott and Mr President, you need to take time out and read or watch the movie of <strong>The Ox-Bow Incident</strong>. American freedom and democracy is founded upon the due process of law. That means clear charges and the right to a speedy and public trial. It would seem the government didn&#8217;t have very good evidence for the more serious charges and, if we can believe the judge, the evidence for the lessor charge is &#8216;thin&#8217;. Why then has this man been in prison so long? What was the delay all about? Was he tortured? Did this torture no reveal any important secrets? Or did it reveal that he was innocent and merely guilty of mischief or perhaps nothing at all.</p>
<p>It is so pathetic that the staff at the DoJ are all resigning, stonewalling, taking the 5th, destroying evidence, or developing amnesia while this man has languished in prison for longer than any sentence for the crime he might be convicted of. For shame.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802451', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr. President</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. President</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Mr. B.G.t.H., I really like your style. Good presentation.

Say, do you think when we get to hell ya could show me howda get this buttons to actually do something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Mr. B.G.t.H., I really like your style. Good presentation.</p>
<p>Say, do you think when we get to hell ya could show me howda get this buttons to actually do something?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802349', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Juan C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;No, hopefully he is found guilty.
Comment by m12&lt;/em&gt;

Dont worry, there are a lot of scary men you can piss yourself at the thought of...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>No, hopefully he is found guilty.<br />
Comment by m12</em></p>
<p>Dont worry, there are a lot of scary men you can piss yourself at the thought of&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802337', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: whiteyfresh</title>
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		<dc:creator>whiteyfresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know it, you closet-gay libbys

comment by J Snott
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funny, but it seems to me that all of the CLOSETED gays are in the REPUBLICAN PARTY. As Democrats, we tend to &quot;live and let live&quot;....
NOT persecute,hurt,and destroy, which seems to me to be the Republican mantra..

It&#039;s either that(for the GOP)or Givin&#039; Oral to Pages...

not sure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know it, you closet-gay libbys</p>
<p>comment by J Snott<br />
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<p>funny, but it seems to me that all of the CLOSETED gays are in the REPUBLICAN PARTY. As Democrats, we tend to &#8220;live and let live&#8221;&#8230;.<br />
NOT persecute,hurt,and destroy, which seems to me to be the Republican mantra..</p>
<p>It&#8217;s either that(for the GOP)or Givin&#8217; Oral to Pages&#8230;</p>
<p>not sure&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802290', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Bush Goes To Hell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Bush Goes To Hell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Mr. Bush Goes To Hell = Nancy-boy&lt;/em&gt;

Is THAT the best that you can do, Nazi azzhole-licker?

&lt;strong&gt;It&#039;s the GALLOWS for YOU, &quot;mr. president&quot;!!!!&lt;/strong&gt;

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

See YOU in hell &quot;mr. president&quot; (cause I am YOU and I&#039;LL be THERE),


&lt;strong&gt;Mr. Bush
MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM--BushCrimeCo, Inc.)&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Mr. Bush Goes To Hell = Nancy-boy</em></p>
<p>Is THAT the best that you can do, Nazi azzhole-licker?</p>
<p><strong>It&#8217;s the GALLOWS for YOU, &#8220;mr. president&#8221;!!!!</strong></p>
<p>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!</p>
<p>See YOU in hell &#8220;mr. president&#8221; (cause I am YOU and I&#8217;LL be THERE),</p>
<p><strong>Mr. Bush<br />
MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL<br />
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM&#8211;BushCrimeCo, Inc.)</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802289', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jake-o-bin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake-o-bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#38, the 2001 budget was a marked change from the 2000 budget under Clinton, in which no aid was given to the Taliban.

This was because the Taliban was seen as hostile to America and democracy.  Bush came in and changed all that.

In addition, Bush also dropped Islamic terrorism from being the top foreign policy and national security issue, to being a 3rd tier issue, behind missile defense, the deratification of Kyoto, North Korea, Iraq, Iran (those 3 sound familiar?), China, Latin American leftists, etc.  Bush stopped hunting Osama bin Laden, since, after all, according to you republican traitors, Osama was an overblown threat propped up to divert attention from Lewinsky.  

With all that, as well as his complete failure to act in any way to the sharp warnings received by the intelligence community that Al Qaeda was threatening an attack on airplanes, on which Bush was twice briefed, it&#039;s pretty amazing that 9/11 happened, eh?  We really need habeas corpus removed, and torture instituted, and domestic spying and fascist powers for the Executive branch, eh?  We don&#039;t need a competent President, eh?

Numbnuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#38, the 2001 budget was a marked change from the 2000 budget under Clinton, in which no aid was given to the Taliban.</p>
<p>This was because the Taliban was seen as hostile to America and democracy.  Bush came in and changed all that.</p>
<p>In addition, Bush also dropped Islamic terrorism from being the top foreign policy and national security issue, to being a 3rd tier issue, behind missile defense, the deratification of Kyoto, North Korea, Iraq, Iran (those 3 sound familiar?), China, Latin American leftists, etc.  Bush stopped hunting Osama bin Laden, since, after all, according to you republican traitors, Osama was an overblown threat propped up to divert attention from Lewinsky.  </p>
<p>With all that, as well as his complete failure to act in any way to the sharp warnings received by the intelligence community that Al Qaeda was threatening an attack on airplanes, on which Bush was twice briefed, it&#8217;s pretty amazing that 9/11 happened, eh?  We really need habeas corpus removed, and torture instituted, and domestic spying and fascist powers for the Executive branch, eh?  We don&#8217;t need a competent President, eh?</p>
<p>Numbnuts.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802282', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Solomon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Solomon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he is guilty then he should get the death penalty. There isnâ€™t one person here that doesnâ€™t believe that, excluding the whole death penalty thing. Some here would rather he rots in jail. I see that as a waste of tax payer money, but that is another thread.

Comment by Spudge_Boy â€” May 14, 2007 @ 4:44 pm

Study after study shows that it is more EXPENSIVE to give the death penalty than to give life in prison.  It is true, that much of the added cost is the cost of legal appeals.  But then so many of those appeals are needed because people are convicted and sentenced to die without evidence, without a fair trial, and many are later found innocent by better evidence, such as DNA.  Or by suppressed evidence.  In this case, there is likely to be a paucity of evidence because the government under the Bush administration has not been interested in facts, just association.  Even thin association.  This is not a war on terror, but a war on our own system of justice waged by our government against us.  It is using the BIG LIE tactics of the Fasciasts of last Century.  Ah, well, they were due for a come back.  

Previous posts have indicated that 1/4 of the internees at Gitmo are innocent.  It is unlikely that even 1/4 have any link to terrorism.  The story that these people were &quot;picked up on the battlefield&quot; is untrue.  There are some truely dangerous people there, but only a small identified group.  Many have been cruelly tortured by us (this is America, our Government is us, remember).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he is guilty then he should get the death penalty. There isnâ€™t one person here that doesnâ€™t believe that, excluding the whole death penalty thing. Some here would rather he rots in jail. I see that as a waste of tax payer money, but that is another thread.</p>
<p>Comment by Spudge_Boy â€” May 14, 2007 @ 4:44 pm</p>
<p>Study after study shows that it is more EXPENSIVE to give the death penalty than to give life in prison.  It is true, that much of the added cost is the cost of legal appeals.  But then so many of those appeals are needed because people are convicted and sentenced to die without evidence, without a fair trial, and many are later found innocent by better evidence, such as DNA.  Or by suppressed evidence.  In this case, there is likely to be a paucity of evidence because the government under the Bush administration has not been interested in facts, just association.  Even thin association.  This is not a war on terror, but a war on our own system of justice waged by our government against us.  It is using the BIG LIE tactics of the Fasciasts of last Century.  Ah, well, they were due for a come back.  </p>
<p>Previous posts have indicated that 1/4 of the internees at Gitmo are innocent.  It is unlikely that even 1/4 have any link to terrorism.  The story that these people were &#8220;picked up on the battlefield&#8221; is untrue.  There are some truely dangerous people there, but only a small identified group.  Many have been cruelly tortured by us (this is America, our Government is us, remember).<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802281', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Joffan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joffan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if he is gulty as charged, he has been arrested and held under false pretences.

Sure he can be tried for training as a terrorist, although there would have to be some evidential linkage to the intent to cause material harm. But that isn&#039;t why he was arrested or held, and it isn&#039;t why his transfer to civil justice was fought tooth and nail.

So there is an accounting that should follow, on the perversion of the justice system to incarcerate this man and smear his name with unrelated deeds. Otherwise, friends, it could be you next that&#039;s held on charges that have no footing in reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if he is gulty as charged, he has been arrested and held under false pretences.</p>
<p>Sure he can be tried for training as a terrorist, although there would have to be some evidential linkage to the intent to cause material harm. But that isn&#8217;t why he was arrested or held, and it isn&#8217;t why his transfer to civil justice was fought tooth and nail.</p>
<p>So there is an accounting that should follow, on the perversion of the justice system to incarcerate this man and smear his name with unrelated deeds. Otherwise, friends, it could be you next that&#8217;s held on charges that have no footing in reality.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802277', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jake-o-bin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake-o-bin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most underdiscussed fact, imo, which immediately causes GOP losers to shut up or shrilly try to change the subject, is that W was warned about 9/11, and did nothing!  He was given not one, but two high profile and urgent warnings about an impending attempted terrorist attack on airplanes.  And he did jack$hit.

(and of course then after 9/11 happened, W and his band of tards attacked the wrong country, cuz of a Daddy complex.)  W and the GOP have done more to further the goals of the jihadists than Osama could have ever done on his own.  the GOP, in addition to being the party of fascists, is also the party of terrorist supporters.

waiting for ad hominem attack...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most underdiscussed fact, imo, which immediately causes GOP losers to shut up or shrilly try to change the subject, is that W was warned about 9/11, and did nothing!  He was given not one, but two high profile and urgent warnings about an impending attempted terrorist attack on airplanes.  And he did jack$hit.</p>
<p>(and of course then after 9/11 happened, W and his band of tards attacked the wrong country, cuz of a Daddy complex.)  W and the GOP have done more to further the goals of the jihadists than Osama could have ever done on his own.  the GOP, in addition to being the party of fascists, is also the party of terrorist supporters.</p>
<p>waiting for ad hominem attack&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802275', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: m12</title>
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		<dc:creator>m12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#32

The 2001 budget sent some money to the Taliban, who at the time had not helped Al Qaeda launch an assault on our nation.

That was quickly rectified.</description>
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<p>The 2001 budget sent some money to the Taliban, who at the time had not helped Al Qaeda launch an assault on our nation.</p>
<p>That was quickly rectified.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802264', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr. President</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. President</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Bush Goes To Hell = Nancy-boy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Bush Goes To Hell = Nancy-boy<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802255', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Spudge_Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spudge_Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
#27

I would rather he not have aided our enemies, but since he has fraternized with Al Qaeda, he must be dealt with.

Comment by m12 â€” May 14, 2007 @ 4:54 pm&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is no evidence of that other than some DoD person saying it. Have you reviewed the evidence? No, you haven&#039;t, because zero pieces of evidence has been produced in 5 years.

So, what you are saying is you support guilty until proven innocent?

Good little brown shirt.</description>
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#27</p>
<p>I would rather he not have aided our enemies, but since he has fraternized with Al Qaeda, he must be dealt with.</p>
<p>Comment by m12 â€” May 14, 2007 @ 4:54 pm</p></blockquote>
<p>There is no evidence of that other than some DoD person saying it. Have you reviewed the evidence? No, you haven&#8217;t, because zero pieces of evidence has been produced in 5 years.</p>
<p>So, what you are saying is you support guilty until proven innocent?</p>
<p>Good little brown shirt.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802249', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Briseadh na Faire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Briseadh na Faire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Comment by m12 â€” May 14, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
&lt;/em&gt;

May you meet the same fate you hope for others.</description>
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<p>May you meet the same fate you hope for others.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802244', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: big papa</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/14/light-on-facts-padilla-trial-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-3802241</link>
		<dc:creator>big papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 21:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MORE American Padillas in...

...5, 4, 3...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MORE American Padillas in&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;5, 4, 3&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802241', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Crump's Brother</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/14/light-on-facts-padilla-trial-begins/comment-page-1/#comment-3802239</link>
		<dc:creator>Crump's Brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 20:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M12

That&#039;s not what you said. You said you hoped he was guilty. I still want to know why you Hope is guilty. Why would you want that?

And apparently from your last statement I must deduce that you have some evidence that the Judge has not yet seen. I say this because according to the post &quot;U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke warned prosecutors last summer that the indictment was â€œlight on facts.â€&quot;

Do you know something the rest do not? How do you KNOW that he had dealings with Al Qaeda? As faulty as our Justice System can be, I will trust the judgement of an informed jury over your, what I must define as, completely uniformed opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M12</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not what you said. You said you hoped he was guilty. I still want to know why you Hope is guilty. Why would you want that?</p>
<p>And apparently from your last statement I must deduce that you have some evidence that the Judge has not yet seen. I say this because according to the post &#8220;U.S. District Judge Marcia Cooke warned prosecutors last summer that the indictment was â€œlight on facts.â€&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you know something the rest do not? How do you KNOW that he had dealings with Al Qaeda? As faulty as our Justice System can be, I will trust the judgement of an informed jury over your, what I must define as, completely uniformed opinion.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802239', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus</title>
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		<dc:creator>ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 20:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I would rather he not have aided our enemies, but since he has fraternized with Al Qaeda, he must be dealt with. Comment by m12 â€” May 14, 2007 @ 4:54 pm&lt;/em&gt;

So you&#039;re advocating both President Bush&#039;s be dealt with?  Since Bush I supported Al Qaeda in Afghanistan?  And even Bush Jr. was sending money to them in 2001 before we were attacked?

You really are an idiot.</description>
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<p>So you&#8217;re advocating both President Bush&#8217;s be dealt with?  Since Bush I supported Al Qaeda in Afghanistan?  And even Bush Jr. was sending money to them in 2001 before we were attacked?</p>
<p>You really are an idiot.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802236', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Tobey Tall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobey Tall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 20:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SKdeA - no Im just a normal guy like Dennis Hopper in Flashback</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SKdeA &#8211; no Im just a normal guy like Dennis Hopper in Flashback<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802230', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: m12</title>
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		<dc:creator>m12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 20:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#27

I would rather he not have aided our enemies, but since he has fraternized with Al Qaeda, he must be dealt with.</description>
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<p>I would rather he not have aided our enemies, but since he has fraternized with Al Qaeda, he must be dealt with.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3802228', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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