ThinkFast: May 14, 2007
ThinkFast: May 14, 2007
“More than 50 Iraqis died Sunday in bombings, mortar blasts and gunfire. Two U.S. soldiers also were killed, while 4,000 troops scoured an area southwest of Baghdad in search of three soldiers apparently captured after an ambush Saturday that left four U.S. soldiers and an Iraqi interpreter dead.”
Popular conservative blog RedState.org “will step up its efforts this week to force Republican leaders to pull Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA) from the powerful Appropriations Committee.”
“The Senate launches a major debate on immigration this week, with shaky prospects for a comprehensive overhaul” that can overcome a conservative filibuster. “Republicans are insisting on rules tougher than those in last year’s Senate bill. They want longer waits, bigger fines and a trip home to the country of origin.”
1: The number of Iraqi refugees resettled in the United States in April. “The total since the fiscal year started Oct. 1 is 69. At this rate, far from resettling 7,000, the State Department will be lucky to match last year’s total of 202.”
“The White House confirmed yesterday that the U.S. ambassador in Baghdad is likely to meet in the next several weeks with Iranian officials about stabilizing Iraq, as the administration embraces a tactic outsiders have long recommended as essential to reducing sectarian violence in Iraq.”
New documents” suggest that World Bank president Paul Wolfowitz “understood that his role in ordering a pay increase and promotion for his companion in 2005 might be seen as a conflict of interest but insisted on proceeding anyway.”
“Nearly half the U.S. attorneys slated for removal by the administration last year were targets of Republican complaints that they were lax on voter fraud, including efforts by presidential adviser Karl Rove to encourage more prosecutions of election-law violations.”
“A Depression-era program to bring electricity to rural areas is using taxpayer money to provide billions of dollars in low-interest loans to build coal plants even as Congress seeks ways to limit greenhouse gas emissions. That government support is a major force behind the rush to coal plants, which spew carbon dioxide that scientists blame for global warming.”
And finally: “Expanding on his reason for saying at a debate that an employer should be allowed to fire someone for being gay, Tommy Thompson on Saturday blamed a dead hearing aid and his need to use the bathroom.” “I was very sick the day of the debate. … I could not wait until the debate got off so I could go to the bathroom,” he said.
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Sounds like you’re way to sickly to be president, Tommy Thompson.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:15 amYou might overload the health care system.
Well, I have to say that after the hideous, all-emcompassing, utter, total fiasco that the Bush Regime has become, we’ll be lucky to see another Republican complete majority in 40 or 50 or 60 years.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:22 amHow the hell did Tommy Thompson when the governership in Wisconsin four times? I thought people in the upper mid-west had better sense than that.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:23 amInquiring minds want to know:
Are the people who caught the 3 missing american soldiers, going to use the same “aggressive questioning techniques” on them, that the americans use on their captives?
May 14th, 2007 at 9:28 am“Every time I have to pee, I start shouting bigoted remarks. It’s weird, I know, but people move away and I get room at the urinal.”
OK. Makes a lot of sense, Tommy.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:29 amMcCain: Iraqi Government Can’t Order US Withdrawal – Lets just kill em all and have free gas
May 14th, 2007 at 9:30 amSaid Tommy Thompson, “I was very sick the day of the debate. … I could not wait until the debate got off so I could go to the bathroom.â€
Indeed, perhaps the one quote I’ve heard this year that truly captures and sums up the state of the Republican Party at this point in time… the entire GOP, unable to function properply because they’re in dire need of finding a bathroom, as quickly as possible.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:31 amMr. President, Good morning to you. I would like to take a moment to thank you for your great boosting of military salaries and spending over the years. My own pappy, an E-9, was in the service for 26 years and made almost $100K at the time of his retirement! You’re a great man!
Finally, have you had your briefing with the Whiner of the House? If so, how did it go? Was is productive?
May 14th, 2007 at 9:37 amCompTROLLER V-1,
How quickly our countrymen forget many of the values this country was founded on.
Nearly all the founders to a man, were against professional armies. They saw them as agents of tyranny,
Eisenhower saw the dangers of the military industrial complex, but it seems that many in our country seem hell bent on making money off of war. Hence the reason we must continue to to find one to fight every 30 years or so.
Congratulations on the wealth that massive killing produces.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:43 amTommy is considered a Wisconsin ‘ya der hey’, kind of the upper midwest version of a good old boy. While he was busy undercutting our tax base by promising tax cuts to corporations to settle here, and ignoring the environment in favor of large polluters and paper company toxic sludge, he also would go to the state fair and glad hand everybody there. If he hadn’t accepted a position in the Bush regime he’d likely still be governor today. He briefly considered running for Guv in ‘06, but I think the allure of the presidency made him reject that idea.
He is unbelievably surrounded by sycophants who have made him think he is presidential material. His idea is that he will win Iowa (it being a neighboring state, not far from his hometown in western wisconsin) and his momentum will carry him to the White House.
Btw-Tommy has some serious gal pal issues. The ENTIRE time he was governor his wife lived separately from him in Elroy Wisc.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:47 amOT, but WaPo is running a pathetic crybaby op-ed about how mean and uncivil discussions are on the Internet, and how the solution to this alleged problem is to forbid anonymous posting.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:47 am4.
It is a sad comment on America that we must pray our enemies treat our soldiers better than we treat our prisoners.
And, nearly all of these people were not our enemies until we invaded and occupied their homeland.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:48 amCrump’s Brother,
It’s a simple salary, that’s all. It’s not as if the man was a general officer.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:49 amVerbalKint,
That law is unconstitutional bait and is on life support. It’s conservatism at it’s worst.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:51 amIt ain’t easy being GREEN. Indeed, you can’t be a Capitalist and be Green. It is time to own up to the fact that Capitalism only works by getting a Free Ride on polluting and resource depletion. Capitalism is like the drunken husband who drinks the family paycheck sending his family into poverty. Read about alternatives to the Capitalist model HERE.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:53 amApparently, some people think that Bush is reading TP and are now using it to send messages to him! I think it would be very helpful if he was reading the postings but I hear he’s not much of a reader.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:53 amAll this chaos in Iraq and the rest of the world, yet the conservatives are still looking for a presidential candidate who agrees with them on social issues that target minority groups and women…go figure!
May 14th, 2007 at 9:54 amI know RedState.org is a bunch of idiots, but in the spirit of “bipartisanship” with the potential to show them what a two way street is really all about maybe TP should contact them and offer to do some kind of anti-corruption co-sponsored article(s) that covers Ken Calvert and William Jefferson.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:54 amPopular conservative blog RedState.org “will step up its efforts this week to force Republican leaders to pull Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA) from the powerful Appropriations Committee.
Why do I think if he hadn’t been caught with a pro they wouldn’t give a shit how corrupt he was?
May 14th, 2007 at 9:55 amThe Senate launches a major debate on immigration this week, with shaky prospects for a comprehensive overhaul†that can overcome a conservative filibuster. “Republicans are insisting on rules tougher than those in last year’s Senate bill. They want longer waits, bigger fines and a trip home to the country of origin.
Is there anything else going on that might be more pressing?
May 14th, 2007 at 9:58 amComment by margaret
There actually is a user on this forum named ‘Mr. President,’ you know.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:58 amNew documents†suggest that World Bank president Paul Wolfowitz “understood that his role in ordering a pay increase and promotion for his companion in 2005 might be seen as a conflict of interest but insisted on proceeding anyway.
There’s a real shocker.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:59 amDefence spending is really sociopathic socialism. It’s the spending of vast amounts of public money on nothing useful and the product is often trashed in the most violent of ways. Indeed, our current crop of capitalist beggars depend on the destruction of war and natural disasters to make money. They wouldn’t want a dime spent on pubic transit or universal healthcare, but a useless missle defence scheme or the complete reconstruction of a bombed out city and they’re all for it –provided the contracts are no-bid and there’s no oversight. See Naomi Klein’s thoughts on The Rise of Disaster Capitalism.
May 14th, 2007 at 9:59 amA Depression-era program to bring electricity to rural areas is using taxpayer money to provide billions of dollars in low-interest loans to build coal plants even as Congress seeks ways to limit greenhouse gas emissions. That government support is a major force behind the rush to coal plants, which spew carbon dioxide that scientists blame for global warming.
Pay no attention to what my other hand is doing…..
May 14th, 2007 at 10:01 amI know but your comment didn’t sound like it had anything to do with that poster’s comment.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:02 am“I was very sick the day of the debate. … I could not wait until the debate got off so I could go to the bathroom,†he said.
Please stop trying to explain…..ok?
May 14th, 2007 at 10:03 amGood Morning Lady Z , BnF and all..Great weather due here again today…Cold and drearie yesterday..
Sad our troop’s are still in harm’s way…Anxious for the summer marches to begin..
Will be out planting again today, may not be here much….Hug someone you love, plant a tree or flower and don’t forget to write your representatives and do something for our country and the world…Blessings All
May 14th, 2007 at 10:06 amThe troops have yet to be funded. There’s no time right now for an immigration debate. Everyone has their own definition of “comprehensive reform,” so how about congress just quickly pass a law that puts more pressure on immigration-related agencies to enforce the laws on the books until Iraq is squared away?
May 14th, 2007 at 10:07 amComment by margaret
I just wanted to elicit a comedic response from the man, that’s all. I like a good laugh in the A.M.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:09 amGood morning, Sharon. Another beautiful day here, still mostly cool. That’s ok. :)
I’ll be hugging my son this afternoon when I pick him up from school. Hugs and love to you as well, Great Lady.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:12 amPoor Tommy. He’s in way over his head. I get the feeling he’s there just for the good food.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:12 am“What did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.”
Well, ya missed this bit of great news out of Afghanistan:
Taliban chief’s death a big U.S. victory
By Associated Press
The killing of the top Taliban commander Mullah Dadullah, a one-legged fighter who orchestrated suicide attacks, beheadings and an ethnic massacre, marks a major victory for the U.S. campaign at a time of flagging Afghan support over civilian killings.
As victims of Dadullah’s brutality celebrated his death Sunday, analysts called the killing the most significant Taliban loss since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion. But even NATO acknowledged that Dadullah, who directed some of the Taliban’s most notorious violence, would soon be replaced.
Dadullah, a top lieutenant of Taliban leader Mullah Omar, was killed in the southern province of Helmand during a U.S.-led operation that also involved NATO and Afghan troops, NATO’s International Security Assistance Force said.
Dadullah is the second top-tier Taliban field commander to be killed in the last six months, after a U.S. airstrike killed Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Osmani in December. Dadullah, Osmani and policy-maker Mullah Obaidullah had been considered to be Omar’s top three leaders…
Since the Taliban’s ouster in late 2001, Dadullah emerged as the group’s most prominent and feared commander. He often appeared in videos and media interviews, and earlier this year predicted a militant spring offensive that has failed to materialize.
Associated Press reporter Noor Khan contributed to this report.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:12 amhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070513/ap_on_re_as/afghan_commander_killed
mornin Zooey! Did you have a happy Mother’s day?
May 14th, 2007 at 10:13 amIt’s good that Commander Guy is finally implementing John Kerry’s Iraq policy, but it would have been nice if he’d done it four years, like Kerry recommended.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:14 amJust heard on the new’s there is a soldier that has been missing for 3 year’s in Iraq….The family was pleading with the black house and military to try and find him…I wish this madness were over…I send Blessings….
May 14th, 2007 at 10:17 ammornin Zooey! Did you have a happy Mother’s day?
Comment by whiteyfresh
Good morning, whitey. I did have a nice Mother’s Day. Did you hug your Mom yesterday?
May 14th, 2007 at 10:17 amPray for the three American soldiers captured by these murderous thugs. A sobering and chilling reminder from this morning’s New York Times about how these savages deal with captured Americans:
“If history is any measure, the chances of the Americans surviving capture would be slim. The organization has claimed responsibility for numerous killings of prisoners.
Last June, insurgents captured two American soldiers during a surprise attack near Yusufiya. After a four-day search by 8,000 American and Iraqi troops, the soldiers’ bodies were found about three miles from the site of their kidnapping. They had been tortured, and insurgents had booby-trapped the road leading to the bodies.
The Mujahedeen Shura Council, an umbrella insurgent group that was a precursor to the Islamic State of Iraq and included Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, claimed responsibility for those killings.”
May 14th, 2007 at 10:24 amExley – is it true that the Taliban’s #1 was recently killed?
May 14th, 2007 at 10:27 amComment by Exley — May 14, 2007 @ 10:24 am
Gosh Exley, just imagine if we had gone after the REAL enemy instead of invading Iraq; and imagine if we hadn’t set the tone by torturing our prisoners. Any missing troops are pretty screwed, aren’t they?
Feeling safer?
May 14th, 2007 at 10:31 am#36, I posted information on that before but it did not appear on the thread. I’ll try again:
What did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.”
Well, ya missed this bit of great news out of Afghanistan:
Taliban chief’s death a big U.S. victory
By Associated Press
The killing of the top Taliban commander Mullah Dadullah, a one-legged fighter who orchestrated suicide attacks, beheadings and an ethnic massacre, marks a major victory for the U.S. campaign at a time of flagging
Afghan support over civilian killings.
As victims of Dadullah’s brutality celebrated his death Sunday, analysts called the killing the most significant Taliban loss since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion. But even NATO acknowledged that Dadullah, who directed some of the Taliban’s most notorious violence, would soon be replaced.
Dadullah, a top lieutenant of Taliban leader Mullah Omar, was killed in the southern province of Helmand during a U.S.-led operation that also involved NATO and Afghan troops, NATO’s International Security Assistance Force said.
Dadullah is the second top-tier Taliban field commander to be killed in the last six months, after a U.S. airstrike killed Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Osmani in December. Dadullah, Osmani and policy-maker Mullah Obaidullah had been considered to be Omar’s top three leaders…
Since the Taliban’s ouster in late 2001, Dadullah emerged as the group’s most prominent and feared commander. He often appeared in videos and media interviews, and earlier this year predicted a militant spring offensive that has failed to materialize.
Associated Press reporter Noor Khan contributed to this report.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:32 amNo, she was in Washington D.C. sorting through her mom’s estate with her brothers and sisters…
May 14th, 2007 at 10:33 amWe’re having Mother’s day next week instead.
CT V1>no, CNN just had very misleading headlines all day yesterday. It was (supposedly) on of the top TRIBAL leaders of the Taliban-actually, I wish TP would do a post on CNN’s misleading headlines…”CNN DISPLAYS MISLEADING BANNER ON TALIBAN DEATH FOR ALMOST AN ENTIRE DAY….”
May 14th, 2007 at 10:36 amYeah, Zooey, because these Islamist terrorists were such humanitarians before we invaded Iraq…
May 14th, 2007 at 10:38 am1: The number of Iraqi refugees resettled in the United States in April.
Hmmm, with about 2-3 million Iraqi refugees, & America is taking in an average of about 3/day, this will only take about 2,700 years.
Heckuva plan, Bushies!
May 14th, 2007 at 10:42 am#36 CompTROLLER V-1,
Yes…While I don’t know if you could call him the Taliban’s No. 1, but apparently he was a pretty high-ranking “official” (and a particularly brutal one).
May 14th, 2007 at 10:42 amCompTROLLER V-1,
Here is some more info on that Taliban leader killed by the allies:
Taliban chief’s death a big U.S. victory
By Associated Press
The killing of the top Taliban commander Mullah Dadullah, a one-legged fighter who orchestrated suicide attacks, beheadings and an ethnic massacre, marks a major victory for the U.S. campaign at a time of flagging Afghan support over civilian killings.
As victims of Dadullah’s brutality celebrated his death Sunday, analysts called the killing the most significant Taliban loss since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion. But even NATO acknowledged that Dadullah, who directed some of the Taliban’s most notorious violence, would soon be replaced.
Dadullah is the second top-tier Taliban field commander to be killed in the last six months, after a U.S. airstrike killed Mullah Akhtar Mohammad Osmani in December. Dadullah, Osmani and policy-maker Mullah Obaidullah had been considered to be Omar’s top three leaders…
Since the Taliban’s ouster in late 2001, Dadullah emerged as the group’s most prominent and feared commander. He often appeared in videos and media interviews, and earlier this year predicted a militant spring offensive that has failed to materialize.
May 14th, 2007 at 10:48 amAssociated Press reporter Noor Khan contributed to this report.
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Yeah, Zooey, because these Islamist terrorists were such humanitarians before we invaded Iraq…
Comment by Exley — May 14, 2007 @ 10:38 am
Don’t try to come off as some kind of moral authority when you’re no better. NONE – ZERO – ZILCH – NADA!
May 14th, 2007 at 10:55 am(and a particularly brutal one) ..?
Was he responsible for 3,400 of our troop’s dieing for bush’s ego war, 25,000 wounded, 1,500 Katrina losses through neglect, 650,000 Iraqi men, women and children since this bush madness started.? Seem’s to me this guy was just another small fry killer when you compare his record to that of bush/cheney/rove/wolfawits….Go back to baseball Exley, your good at that..
May 14th, 2007 at 10:57 amZimzone, this country can’t afford to take in 2-3 million refugees. If the environmental advocates wants its policies to work, then you can’t advocate population-bustling plans including transporting of mexico to the U.S.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:03 amAhem, excuse me, but a couple of you are starting to mix facts as well as any neo-con war monger….
The Taleban were in Afghanistan, not to be confused with the Iraq invasion, to which there was no connection at that time.
Saddam may not have paid much attention to el Keyda, but he sure wasn’t going to have anything to do with the Taleban
May 14th, 2007 at 11:03 am#44 Actually, Sharon, he was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people in Afghanistan:
‘Still, Dadullah’s particular brand of cruelty was unmatched inside the Taliban. Dadullah’s men videotaped beheadings of Afghans suspected of cooperating with international forces or the Afghan government, and the suicide bombers he is believed to have commanded have killed or injured hundreds of Afghan civilians, soldiers and police, as well as dozens of international forces. In 1999 he led a Taliban massacre of ethnic Hazaras in the province of Bamiyan, where the Taliban in 2000 destroyed two ancient Buddha statues carved into a hillside cliff.
“This morning a friend told me that Dadullah had been killed and I wanted to shout out to the people ‘Congratulations! Congratulations!’ I was so happy I started crying,” said Munir Naqshbandi, brother of Ajmal Naqshbandi, the Afghan journalist who was believed to have been kidnapped and beheaded by Dadullah’s men last month.’
Associated Press.
And, as a member of the Taliban, he was a close ally with Al Qaeda, and thus an accessory to the deaths of 3,000 innocent people on September 11.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:04 am1: The number of Iraqi refugees resettled in the United States in April. “The total since the fiscal year started Oct. 1 is 69. At this rate, far from resettling 7,000, the State Department will be lucky to match last year’s total of 202.â€
Working in that department has got to be pretty chill. Lots of time to troll, ay Compost.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:05 amYeah, Zooey, because these Islamist terrorists were such humanitarians before we invaded Iraq…
Comment by Exley
No, they weren’t. But they were not based in Iraq, and they weren’t killing us there, and they weren’t killing innocent citizens in Iraq.
Don’t pull that shit on me.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:09 amSorry I missed the first cause, by neglect or design, bush and company allowed or helped plan 9/11 that caused 3,000 death’s and hundred’s of first responder’s are now suffering from lung problem’s…Lest I for get the jet’s picking up and wisking all the relatives out before they would be questioned….Saudi Arabia had 16 of the 19 involved that they supported…Seem’s to me this small fry is nothing but a freedom fighter….Bull shit can’t even claim that, he’s to chicken shit to fight in person, he won’t even talk to suposed enemies…He just uses our troop’s like toilet paper…The worst president and administration in the history of our country…
May 14th, 2007 at 11:11 amSince only 12% of the Iraqi populace has fled their country in the first four years, it’ll only take 22 more years (11 Friedmans) of occupation before the oil is all ours.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:14 amOoops, that would be 44 Friedmans…
May 14th, 2007 at 11:16 am“Don’t pull that shit on me.”
Fine….By the same token, don’t try to equate how the United States treats its prisoners with how these terrorists treat captured and kidnapped Americans. Last I heard, the U.S. hadn’t beheaded any of its prisoners on videotape or booby-trapped the bodies of executed prisoners.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:16 amAnd, as a member of the Taliban, he was a close ally with Al Qaeda, and thus an accessory to the deaths of 3,000 innocent people on September 11.
Comment by Exley — May 14, 2007 @ 11:04 am
As a citizen of the USA, that also makes you an accessory to the murder of 600,000 Iraqis..
Get over yourself idiot.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:20 amIt’s a good thing we’re staying the course, because if we’d pulled out this kind of stuff would happen every day. Yup Hyuck.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:20 amMcCain: Iraqi Government Can’t Order US Withdrawal – Lets just kill em all and have free gas
Comment by Mr President — May 14, 2007 @ 9:30 am
This is obviously not me, everyone knows that my name is Mr. President, not Mr President.
This comment is not witty, irrelevant, hilarious, obnoxious, or beligerant, it is definitely not me.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:22 amFine….By the same token, don’t try to equate how the United States treats its prisoners with how these terrorists treat captured and kidnapped Americans. Last I heard, the U.S. hadn’t beheaded any of its prisoners on videotape or booby-trapped the bodies of executed prisoners.
Comment by Exley
I’m not equating them. I’m saying that if our troops are captured we have made it easier for their captors to justify torture and disgusting treatment.
WE DID THAT. And now if it happens, we haven’t a leg to stand on if we want to object.
Don’t deny it, Exley.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:23 amComment by margaret
There actually is a user on this forum named ‘Mr. President,’ you know.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 14, 2007 @ 9:58 am
Margaret, Mr. President and CompTROLLER were working as a tag team to overwhelm a thread with so much “nothing” that it was a waste of time to read any of it.
Apparenty Comp you had the weekend off. Mr. President on the other had continued to contribute nothing all weekend.
We’d all be wise to let the two of them play with each other and read past their posts.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:23 amZooey, shouldn’t ThinkProgress be deleting your post for foul language?
May 14th, 2007 at 11:24 amLast I heard, the U.S. hadn’t beheaded any of its prisoners on videotape or booby-trapped the bodies of executed prisoners.
Really could you see who was under those masks during the beheading?
Listening to you Christia-Nazi’s support violence, how do we know it wasn’t our own CIA doing a little propaganda to keep the fools in line.. You know like you??
Our soldiers just piss on innocent dead people, rape them, murder them off camera. On camera we tie electrodes to their nuts, make them form human dog piles, and all kinds of other party fun.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:24 amThis comment is not witty, irrelevant, hilarious, obnoxious, or beligerant, it is definitely not me.
Comment by Mr. President
It’s interesting that none of us picked that up, Mr P. Maybe you could get a clue from that.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:25 amZimzone, this country can’t afford to take in 2-3 million refugees. If the environmental advocates wants its policies to work, then you can’t advocate population-bustling plans including transporting of mexico to the U.S.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 14, 2007 @ 11:03 am
I guess we should have thought about that before we invaded and disrupted the country for some oil.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:30 amCT is that you!!!!?????
May 14th, 2007 at 11:30 amZooey, shouldn’t ThinkProgress be deleting your post for foul language?
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
That’s up to TP, isn’t it? I don’t give a shit.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:31 amComment by Shane
Thank you soooo much…..
CompTROLLER V-1 doesn’t need to reboot simply because you seek dislike harmless, comedic dissent. The system is sorry that you seem to be missing the “laugh factor.”
May 14th, 2007 at 11:31 amAs a native born Badger I remain amazed by Tommy Thompson the former governor. He is the first person that I am aware of in the history of the human race to be able to relate anti-gay remarks as side effects of diarreha. I’m not sure how Tommy did that. I’ll have to check next time I have diarreha and see if it makes me spew hatred. Or, maybe it was just an event that only Tommy could experience?
May 14th, 2007 at 11:32 amMr. President, yes. How did your briefing with Cleaner of the House progress?
May 14th, 2007 at 11:32 amI’ve been scrolling over mr.peee and comp(troller) from the get go and that’s what they can do, just go troll’s….exley can join the war-monger’s as well…Blessings to every one else.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:32 amMr President, Mr. President, same same, total lack of wit, intellect. Just an annoying buzz on the site.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:33 amFine….By the same token, don’t try to equate how the United States treats its prisoners with how these terrorists treat captured and kidnapped Americans. Last I heard, the U.S. hadn’t beheaded any of its prisoners on videotape or booby-trapped the bodies of executed prisoners.
Comment by Exley — May 14, 2007 @ 11:16 am
Oh right. Except didn’t Saddam’s brother have his head yanked off during his “hanging”? Then again our country doesn’t even allow us to seen the dead soldiers returning home, what are the chances they’d let us see how we handle “prisoners”?
May 14th, 2007 at 11:33 amI just wanted to elicit a comedic response from the man, that’s all. I like a good laugh in the A.M.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 14, 2007 @ 10:09 am
Saw you two do your tag team disruption the other day and destroy an entire thread. Charming.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:35 am#57, Zooey,
I agree that crimes committed at places like Abu Ghraib have hurt our reputation in the international community. There is no question about that. The difference between us and the Islamist terrorists is that when our forces are found to have committed such crimes, they are prosecuted and punished by the U.S. military. Such brutality perpetrated by Americans are aberrations, not policy, and they are treated as criminal acts. For the terrorists, such brutal treatment of American prisoners is not an aberration. It is not a crime. That is how they conduct themselves on a regular basis when dealing with their captives.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:37 amIt went good CT, real, good. I, I like a tidy house, you know that. heheh
May 14th, 2007 at 11:37 amThis comment is not witty, irrelevant, hilarious, obnoxious, or beligerant, it is definitely not me.
Comment by Mr. President — May 14, 2007 @ 11:22 am
Nobody cares since you are the biggest namejacker on the board.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:37 amMargaret, Mr. President and CompTROLLER were working as a tag team to overwhelm a thread with so much “nothing†that it was a waste of time to read any of it.
Comment by Shane — May 14, 2007 @ 11:23 am
Thanks Shane. Sure is strange what some people think are funny!
May 14th, 2007 at 11:39 amCpt. Crepitus,
You’re just a low-level captain. Mr. President is the ultimate general here.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:39 amThe system is sorry that you seem to be missing the “laugh factor.â€
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 14, 2007 @ 11:31
Funny but I don’t think I’M the one missing your laugh factor.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:40 amComment by Shane — May 14, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Shane’s a fool, who doesn’t even know who *he* is, let alone who the namejacker is.
Look Shane… I… I… I was namejacked alright!
And now you wanna go and blame ME!!!
I’m the victim here… I can’t believe you be acting like this…
May 14th, 2007 at 11:42 amComment by Exley — May 14, 2007 @ 11:04 am
Still buying the official lie, Exley? It’s more likely the PNAC was responsible for the events that September morning.
So, if you want to go after the real terrorists, Exley, you should be going after the people behind American Imperialism. They were willing to murder their fellow American citizens just to increase thier profits.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:42 am#72 – Exley
If you think the people responsible for the horrors of Abu Ghraib have been charged and punished, you really do live in a dream world. Lynndie England and that other guy? They didn’t do that on their own.
IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. IF WE HADN’T GONE THERE, THIS WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING.
Where is Osama bin Laden?
May 14th, 2007 at 11:44 amThat’s right CT… heheh…
Ya see, Cap’n, I’m the Decider, I make the tough calls… like what I what on my Tombstone… heheh
See some people go with… just cheese, which is fine…
But for me… I go with as many died Iraqis as possible…
mmmmm, delicious…. Monkeyroni
May 14th, 2007 at 11:44 amShane’s a fool, who doesn’t even know who *he* is, let alone who the namejacker is.
Comment by Mr. President — May 14, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Don’t go thinking you’re so smart, Mr P.
May 14th, 2007 at 11:45 amComment by margaret
FYI, Margaret, I’m in the running to be appointed the next dean of the School of Comedy. Credentials are stellar, they surely are.
And Shane,
I don’t think the intent was a full-throttled hijack, but the system regrets if it went into overdrive. Still ironing out the wrinkles on this revolutionary development. Everyone knows Mr. President is a funny man, it’s just that dang gone war, that’s all. Presidentin’ is tough, you know?
May 14th, 2007 at 11:46 amI’m the victim here… I can’t believe you be acting like this…
Comment by Mr. President
**tiny violin playing**
May 14th, 2007 at 11:47 amZooey, how did you pick the word “Chav”?
Are you from the Isles
May 14th, 2007 at 11:48 amComment by margaret
FYI, Margaret, I’m in the running to be appointed the next dean of the School of Comedy. Credentials are stellar, they surely are.
And Shane,
I don’t think the intent was a full-throttled hijack, but the system regrets if it went into overdrive. Still ironing out the wrinkles on this revolutionary development. Everyone knows Mr. President is a funny man, it’s just that dang gone war, that’s all. Presidentin’ is tough, you know?
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 14, 2007 @ 11:46 am
That’s right, it’s tough… it’s really tough…
Ya see, sometime’s my monkeystake is overcooked… it’s too tough…
I like my monkeys rare… still bleedin’
May 14th, 2007 at 11:52 amMr. President, nobody elected Zoo to be the commander-in-chief. You don’t have to argue with her.
A reminder, you have a telephone briefing with the Senator Majority Loser, 2:00PM stat!
May 14th, 2007 at 11:55 amZooey, how did you pick the word “Chav�
Are you from the Isles
Comment by Mr. President
Um, check your punctuation, Mr Chav-tastic.
I live in the US, but I have friends in other places.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:00 pmCT, I have official Presidential doody to take care of. I’ll be back later tonight though to sling the sh!t with the liberal monkeyfu*kers.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:01 pmMr. President, nobody elected Zoo to be the commander-in-chief. You don’t have to argue with her.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Nobody elected you Top Trollie. You don’t have to be here.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:01 pmComment by Zooey — May 14, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
Thanks, I love a new vocab word, especially one that’s that hilarious
May 14th, 2007 at 12:02 pmGood morning victims and perps. Lets swap those positions around a bit, shall we?
Who are the victims in the latest bloodshed? not just in Iraq, but everywhere. Who are the perps?
May 14th, 2007 at 12:03 pmComment by Zooey
Trollie…so sweet. That could succeed Sesame Street, right Mr. President?(Don’t forget: BRIEFING WITH HAIRY READIN’!)
May 14th, 2007 at 12:06 pmComment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 14, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
It’s not sweet, it’s diminutive.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:21 pmExley, I’m guessing the three captured American soldiers would very much like you to make your case to their captors. Your case is evidently that the torture at Abu Garabe and the many cases of “extrordinary rendition” and torture by our military and intelligence services should have nothing to do with how they treat our guys. Good luch with that and once again, thanks a LOT for being one American who has supported Bush’s torture policies in the past. I’m sure the captured Americans would also like to thank you for supporting our efforts to torture muslims. I’m sure that your support of torture is comforting to them right about now. Nice going.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:26 pmBlueDog,
If you for one moment believe that our troops or hostages captured by Islamist terrorists would have been humanely treated in accordance with international conventions if it had not been for Abu Ghraib, you are living in a dream world and are even more naive about the savagery of Al Qaeda and other Islamist terrorist groups than I had previously believed.
You conveniently ignore the long history of brutal treatment of Western hostages by Islamist terrorists that preceded Abu Ghraib and Iraq….Do the names William Higgins and Daniel Pearl ring a bell?
May 14th, 2007 at 12:33 pmYou conveniently ignore the long history of brutal treatment of Western hostages by Islamist terrorists that preceded Abu Ghraib and Iraq….Do the names William Higgins and Daniel Pearl ring a bell?
Comment by Exley — May 14, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
You conveniently ignore the atrocities of western white man.. Again you idiot stop trying to claim moral standing when mankind has none.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:40 pmExley, neither of the men you site were killed by Iraqi insurgents. Iraqi insurgents have seen how Iraqis are treated by Americans and British forces. You support the way we have treated Iraqis. Now, please don’t act like the way we have tortured Iraqis doesn’t affect this situation. For once, I’d like to see people like you stand up and accept responsibility for their actions and positions. The modern neocon movement has to be the most dishonest and weasley political movement I have ever seen. It’s filled with hypocritical sociopaths like you who have sat there behind your keyboard for months defending this administration’s torture of prisoners and now won’t even accept the slightest responsibility for the way our men are being treated by their captors. You and your fellow neocon cultists are cowards. Simple decency seems completely beyond you.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:45 pmBlueDog,
You are creating an artificial distinction between “Iraqi insurgents” and Al Qaeda and other types of Islamist fundamentalist terrorists. It is part of your effort to romanticize the “insurgency” and defend them from the atrocities they commit daily in Iraq. Those who killed Col. Higgins and Daniel Pearl are ideologically indistinguishable from those who captured, tortured, and slaughtered our two soldiers last year and who likely who captured the three soldiers presently missing.
It seems you missed this part of the Times article I sent earlier: “The Mujahedeen Shura Council, an umbrella insurgent group that was a precursor to the Islamic State of Iraq and included Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, claimed responsibility for those killings.”
Again, your pathetic attempt to argue that the Iraqi “insurgency” would never have mistreated their American prisoners before Abu Ghraib does not pass the laugh test and ignores (conveniently so) the fact that Islamist terrorist, whether they be in Lebanon, Afghanistan, or Pakistan, have a long history of brutalizing, torturing, and slaughtering their hostages — a history of brutality that precedes the invasion of Iraq.
May 14th, 2007 at 12:57 pmYet another side forms in the Iraqi civil war: This time its an insurgent group committed to defeating… the insurgents?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10165581
“The four years since the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq have seen countless alliances rise and then collapse, as fighters bicker over tactics and strategy.
But the past few weeks have brought a new development. Iraq analysts say three key insurgent groups have joined together to confront al-Qaida. They’re calling themselves the Reformation and Jihad Front.
Some believe this new alliance poses the most serious challenge yet to the leadership of al-Qaida in Iraq…The driving force behind the revolt is the Islamic Army in Iraq. It’s joined by two others — the Mujahideen Army, and Ansar al-Sunna — one of the most hardcore insurgent groups…
‘The important difference between them and al-Qaida is that they are nationalist groups,’ says Kara Driggers, who monitors jihadi Web sites for the Terrorism Research Center. ‘They are fighting for Iraq, and solely for Iraq.‘”
Unfortunately, “the Reformation and Jihad Front has no more interest in a democratic Iraq than al-Qaida does, and that no one should paint the new alliance as the good guys.”
May 14th, 2007 at 12:57 pmGood post’s Bluedog49, BnF and RUCerious…
One last time exley, none of the 650,000 men, women and children in Iraq, 3.400 troop’s plus 3,000 on 9/11 and 25,000 of our’s wounded would of happened with out your support and your reich winged self imposed dictator…After this I refuse to respond for the day, your to stupid and blood stained for me to waste my time on….
May 14th, 2007 at 1:06 pmZooey,
Trollie is my son. I’m the fatherman. I’ll be wearin’ him out so he can be right on here someday…….*sniff*
Comment by Jakes Parole Officer
This country has enough race sharks, so you can go train yourself for an in-demand profession instead of blaming the “western white man.” Every race/culture/creed has its own attrocities, so don’t worry, you won’t have to focus on just one. It’s unfortunate that your kind of hate speech seems to be the premier teaching of our time….
May 14th, 2007 at 1:06 pmExley: “Those who killed Col. Higgins and Daniel Pearl are ideologically indistinguishable from those who captured, tortured, and slaughtered our two soldiers last year and who likely who captured the three soldiers presently missing.”
You don’t know that. Pearl was killed in Pakistan. And, look, you’re not even disputing that you have supported the torture of Iraqis. You’re arguing that our guys would have been tortured anyway. That is a lazy argument. We Americans can stand for the right way to do things if we want. If we want to torture prisoners, we have no intellectual or moral standing to complain when our men get tortured. This was the main argument (which you dismissed) against our torturing prisoners. You would like to support our torture and then condemn their torture. That’s just indefensible. And, as you make the despicable charge that I want to “romanticize the “insurgencyâ€, it is you who have consistently romanticized our illegal treatement of prisoners. Now you want to act like this is irrelevant. I’m guessing that it IS relevant to the insurgents who have captured our men whether or not you want it to be.
May 14th, 2007 at 1:07 pmComment by Exley — May 14, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Do we seem ideologically distinguishable from the masters the Iraqis have had in the past?
May 14th, 2007 at 1:14 pmBlueDog,
“And, look, you’re not even disputing that you have supported the torture of Iraqis.”
I chose to ignore that libel because it was not worth responding to and I did not wish to waste my time dignifyin it. Never have I advocated the torturing of Iraqis. Use “Google” and try to find one single post of mine in which I have done any such thing.
Your search will be unsuccessful. And when you fail to find such a posting, I would expect you would apologize.
May 14th, 2007 at 1:18 pmIt’s unfortunate that your kind of hate speech seems to be the premier teaching of our time….
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 14, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
There was no “hate speech” to what I had to say, just sick of idiots like exley thinking they have some kind of moral high ground when it comes to treatment of others. And I guarantee “Western white man” has slaughtered, murdered, raped, pillaged, plundered more than ANY other race, religion, creed… So yah when you can face up to history, and change your attitudes about violence and torture, then and only then can you dare speak how another human treats another during war.
But what’s unfortunate is you’re too much of an idiot to realize that.
May 14th, 2007 at 1:20 pmAny one who support’s bull shit bush’s war is equaly guilty of all the lives lost, their mind’s are evil, their heart’s black and they are covered in blood….
May 14th, 2007 at 1:23 pmGood Post’s Jake’s P.O and I agree….Blessings
May 14th, 2007 at 1:26 pmI agree and I think it’s awesome they are doing that. Finally, some Republicans are trying to take their party back. There’s something so grassroots and cool about the idea of blogs keeping the corruption in check. I would love to see corruption on both sides of the isle stamped out by ordinary citizens and grassroots efforts. Imagine elections free of fraud and a field of candidates who all actually do care about the electorate… I can dream, can’t I? :-)
May 14th, 2007 at 1:30 pmZooey,
Trollie is my son. I’m the fatherman. I’ll be wearin’ him out so he can be right on here someday…….*sniff*
Comment by Jakes Parole Officer
This country has enough race sharks, so you can go train yourself for an in-demand profession instead of blaming the “western white man.†Every race/culture/creed has its own attrocities, so don’t worry, you won’t have to focus on just one. It’s unfortunate that your kind of hate speech seems to be the premier teaching of our time….
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 14, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
Your comment structure is incomprehensible.
Are you calling me a racist?
May 14th, 2007 at 1:33 pmComment by Jakes Parole Officer
What you’re saying may be true, but I care to move on because the Geneva Convention is in place. I have only disdain for violence and torture and I acknowledge that our commander-in-chief may be breaking some rules. Realize, however, that going on an all-out crusade against the “western white male” isn’t going to help the world much. How about advocating the ousting of Mr. Bush and his political allies rather than the “western white man.” That would be less inflammatory.
May 14th, 2007 at 1:37 pmZooey, the bottom paragraph was in response to ‘Jakes parole officer.’
May 14th, 2007 at 1:39 pmNew documents†suggest that World Bank president Paul Wolfowitz “understood that his role in ordering a pay increase and promotion for his companion in 2005 might be seen as a conflict of interest but insisted on proceeding anyway.â€
There goes the innocence allegations, to the sinker.
May 14th, 2007 at 1:44 pmZooey, the bottom paragraph was in response to ‘Jakes parole officer.’
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 14, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
Good.
May 14th, 2007 at 1:44 pmComment by Zooey
I thought you would have read the “Comment by Jakes Parole Officer” marker separating the two paragraphs. My mistake for not making it clearer. I tend to give multiple responses in one posting.
May 14th, 2007 at 1:56 pmNot to ruin anyone’s “hating whitey” day, but you do realize that a large portion of the soldiers being killed aren’t white, don’t you? Are those people also paying for the past sins of western white males?
Morning Zooey, how was your weekend?
May 14th, 2007 at 2:02 pmI’m the victim here… I can’t believe you be acting like this…
Comment by Mr. President — May 14, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Funny little troll.
May 14th, 2007 at 2:02 pmHi, Z :)
May 14th, 2007 at 2:02 pm#114 Comment by Zooey
I thought you would have read the “Comment by Jakes Parole Officer†marker separating the two paragraphs. My mistake for not making it clearer. I tend to give multiple responses in one posting.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 14, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
Being a comptroller, you don’t control a lot your typing skills, IMHO.
May 14th, 2007 at 2:04 pmComp:
No what I am saying is true, why can’t you believe it? Shall I give you a short run down of just white man atrocities of the last 100 years?
Why do you have disdain for torture, then go on to say our CiC “may” be breaking rules, either he is, or he isn’t.. (Hint he is!)
Personally I think because Dubya did not get on his little pulpit and say to the world “WE WILL NOT TORTURE”, America lost all credibility to claim those insurgents are animals.
I’m one of those western white men, but I accept my violent past, and I want to change our future, why don’t you? I won’t sit here like Exley and say “Look what the terrorists are doing” when what we do isn’t any better.
May 14th, 2007 at 2:09 pmBeing a comptroller, you don’t control a lot your typing skills, IMHO.
Comment by Evil Spaniard
Your performance isn’t exactly stellar, either. Looks like your English is all broken there.
I don’t believe I solicited your input, by the way. So go take your “Evil Spaniard” routine elsewhere.
May 14th, 2007 at 2:19 pmYour performance isn’t exactly stellar, either. Looks like your English is all broken there.
I don’t believe I solicited your input, by the way. So go take your “Evil Spaniard†routine elsewhere.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 14, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
English is my fourth human language. Your excuse is?
And, buggy computers must be fixed by formatting. Look for a future full of 00h’s.
May 14th, 2007 at 2:34 pmComment by Jakes Parole Officer
Until there’s an official investigation that accuses him of wrongdoing, the basic tenent of “innocent until proven guilty” stands – whether impeachment or criminal proceedings. My mentioning wasn’t that of disbelief, I just don’t know what to believe. It is my opinion that he has been breaking certain rules that have placed a number of people in perilous conditions, but I can’t treat it fact.
Looking at the future, I tend see history being history, regardless of whether I “accept” or “reject” its premise. I didn’t know these people, obviously, and I wasn’t educated to their crazy tune. In modern times, though, you have a diversity of people in the bush administration (See: John Yoo) who’ve advocated torture and other policies that produce famine and disarray. They’re not a poster on my wall.
Finally, your right this count: we should be doing better than the terrorists. The “war on terror” should have sizzled out by now, but the bulk of the work has yet to be done because we have a commander-in-chief who refuses to be flexible. It’s time to get back to the point, get that final revenge for 9/11, and come home.
May 14th, 2007 at 2:37 pmExley: “Never have I advocated the torturing of Iraqis. Use “Google†and try to find one single post of mine in which I have done any such thing.
Your search will be unsuccessful. And when you fail to find such a posting, I would expect you would apologize.”
A few months ago, TP featured a story about how Kalid Mohammed had been tortured for months and his children had been abducted and held while he made a number of “confessions.”
You dismissed charges of torture and wrote this: “it is a remarkably fair process, going to extraordinary length to ensure the detainee receives due process.”
and this: “Leaving aside the question of whether he was waterboarded or if waterboarding should even be considered torture, the issue of his children is very much in dispute.”
So, yes, Exley, you have indeed made arguments defending, distorting and supporting this administration’s use of torture. Ignoring evidence of torture and arguing that it hasn’t happened in the face of overwhelming evidence is the same as supporting this administration’s use of torture. Questioning whether or not waterboarding IS torture is supporting the administration’s use of torture.
So, NO APOLOGIES FROM ME, A-HOLE!
May 14th, 2007 at 2:49 pmQuestioning whether or not waterboarding IS torture is supporting the administration’s use of torture.
So, NO APOLOGIES FROM ME, A-HOLE!
Comment by Bluedog49
Not to mention Exley´s approval on torture against Leninist-Marxist back in the Pinochet era and the use of WP, because, it is NOT, Exley´s words a chemical weapon.
May 14th, 2007 at 3:05 pmSo, in other words, BlueDog, you have absolutely no proof to back up your lie that I advocated the torture of Iraqis (or anyone else, for that matter). And yet, despite your failure to meet my challenge, you do not even have the decency to admit you were wrong and apologize. I wish I could say I was surprised, BlueDog, but your record of inaccurate postings, lies, and lack of historical knowledge made your current behavior most predictable.
However, despite the fact that you refuse apologize, I take great satisfaction in realizing that you are embarassed you were unable to come up with anything to back up your lies. You may run along now.
May 14th, 2007 at 4:02 pmAll of you that are politicizing the killing and capturing of US troops in Iraq are as bad as the administration. You speak of them as if they are nothing more than chess pieces. You obsess because you are not shown pictures of their coffins when they return to the US, as if you had a RIGHT to see them.
You favor your politics over their lives. You would rather see them dead at Iraqi hands and say the insurgents (many of which are not Iraqi) have a right to kill/maim/torture them.
You are ghouls.
May 14th, 2007 at 4:08 pmI wish I could say I was surprised, BlueDog, but your record of inaccurate postings, lies, and lack of historical knowledge made your current behavior most predictable.
Comment by Exley — May 14, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Please provide examples of such record, otherwise you’re guilty of what you just accused
May 14th, 2007 at 4:12 pmGimme a break $immons!
First of all, to Bush’s gang they ARE just chess pieces (wake up!).
Secondly, who’s politicizing what happens to them? Not Bush of course, who thinks that ’supporting the troops’ means leaving them in harm’s way so they can then be kidnapped and then be used as chess pieces?
May 14th, 2007 at 4:15 pm#127, DRxJ,
Just see all of BlueDog’s postings on this thread.
Then, of course, there was the time last August where BlueDog incorrectly stated Al Qaeda was a radical Shiite group, when it is, in fact, Sunni.
“BlueDog…Bin Laden is Sunni and Al Qaeda are a Sunni group — Not Shiite.
May 14th, 2007 at 4:30 pmYou are again incorrect.
Comment by exley — August 16, 2006 @ 2:59 pm”
Exley, If you think the Palestinians/Hezbollah/PLO who killed Colonel Higgins are ideologically indistinguishable from the Pakistani’s who Killed Daniel Pearl and those who we fight in Iraq today, then that explains a whole lot. It tells me that you don’t know what you are talking about and that you do not really care that you don’t know either…and…if the current administration thinks like you (and I believe they do) then a whole new light is shed on the topic. There are so many groups in the mid east with many different goals and I don’t have the patience to deal with someone who willingly chooses to be uninformed.
As to the Iraqi Insurgency and their treatment of our troops, you argue that they would treat us horribly no matter what. You may very well be correct, but it never hurts to apply the standard of behavior on your side of the fence that you would expect from your opponents. What is that phrase…ummm…oh yes…do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I read that somewhere, maybe the president has read it too? I doubt it though. Anyhow we, the United States of America are a nation of laws, we hold ourselves out as such, yet we seem lately to be so willing to condone the breaking of those laws. We no longer have the moral high ground because people like you so willingly support us not taking the high road. I make that last statement with the full understanding that I have never once seen you post anything condoning the polices of this administration which are so contradictory to what America is supposed to be. This is not to say that we are as bad as the other guys, but we are not as good as we hold ourselves out to be.
May 14th, 2007 at 4:43 pmLook, Exley. Let’s review. You said you had never condoned the administration’s torture. I posted an example of you glossing over the Kalhid Mohammed “confession” case and said that IMO, glossing over the torture of Mohammed and the abduction of his children to coerce a “confession” out of him was tantamount to supporting the administration’s use of torture.
Now you claim I thought Al Qaeda was a Shiite group. I have never thought that, since bin Laden is obviously a Saudi Sunni, so I’m not sure where you got that. Besides, I’m not sure why you think this has anything to do with today’s argument. Apparently, changing the subject is the goal here. But really now. Do you really think a perusal of our posts will tell the story you hope it does? We could go pretty far back here but generally, you’re the one who has been supporting all of this chaos wrought by the Bush administration and I’m the one who hasn’t. So I’m comfortable with your comparisons.
May 14th, 2007 at 4:44 pmExley, dude, you just offered your argument as proof, without presenting the actual evidence.
“BlueDog…Bin Laden is Sunni and Al Qaeda are a Sunni group — Not Shiite.
You are again incorrect.
Comment by exley — August 16, 2006 @ 2:59 pmâ€
Comment by Exley — May 14, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
That’s like me proving that valiantthehater has “relationships” with small domesticated farm animals by quoting myself as lecturing:
“Valiantthehater, don’t mess around sexually with small domesticated farm animals, it’s just not right”
comment by DRxJ – May 5th, 2006 @ 11:11pm
Just sayin…
May 14th, 2007 at 4:44 pm$immons: “You favor your politics over their lives. You would rather see them dead at Iraqi hands and say the insurgents (many of which are not Iraqi) have a right to kill/maim/torture them.
You are ghouls.”
Hey dummy, we’re the ones who want them home. You’re the jackass who wants them over there!
May 14th, 2007 at 4:46 pmBluedog49,
Hey dummy, I am the one that respects theirs (and their families) right to privacy. I am the one that respects them as PEOPLE and not some abstract term like “troops”. More over I respect that the situation in Iraq needs a change in course either one of two ways: 1) Bring them home as safely and expeditiously as possible or 2) bring the full military force of the US to bear in Iraq and truly secure the country in a proper fashion.
Your great Democratic leaders have done so well. All they have said is they approve of keeping them in Iraq for another year. Real bold move of them. They are cowards.
Wouldn’t it be great for people to “Support the Troops” with more than their mouth and bumper stickers?
Again, what RIGHT does ANY OF US have to see their flag draped coffins?
We have no such right, dummies!
May 14th, 2007 at 6:32 pm$immons, the best way to support our troops is not sending them into a shooting war on false pretenses. If our troops are in a hole, the best way to support them is to get them out of the hole, not keep digging. If our troops have been hurt, the best way to support them is not to cut funding to the VA. This is Bush’s war, and no sane person is going to buy your lame attempt to blame Democrats for it.
May 14th, 2007 at 6:56 pm$immons, before you embarrass yourself any further, go to the IAVA site and see how real veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afganistan rate members of congress on their support for the troops. They grade lawmakers on their votes, not their rhetoric. You may be a little surprised.
May 14th, 2007 at 6:58 pmBluedog49,
Who was blaming Democrats? All I said was that Democrats are doing nothing to improve the situation other than pass useless, symbolic, feel good legislation that has no chance of avoiding veto.
Every day that the Democrats allow it to continue, they own another piece of it. Simple as that.
Shooting war? Is there any other kind? Get over it. Give the troops what they NEED, not what YOU think they should have. It is too late to say “They shouldn’t have been sent”. Now we have to ask “What do they need to succeed?” What they do NOT need is empty promises from the Congress, the White House, or the American Public.
And, just so you know, I was a 3537 that served 2 tours in Al Anbar. So I am a “Real Vet” and I give the entire Congress an “F”. Know who you are talking to before you embarrass yourself further.
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