An open letter to Gonzales.
By on May 15th, 2007 at 9:41 am
An open letter to Gonzales.
Gonzales’ Harvard Law classmates take out an ad in the Washington Post today. They write, “Your country and your President are in dire need of an attorney who will do the tough job of providing independent counsel, especially when the advice runs counter to political expediency. Now more than ever, our country needs a President, and an Attorney General, who remember the apt observation attributed to Benjamin Franklin: ‘Those who give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” View the full ad HERE.
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Gonzales couldn’t care less what his legal peers think. He couldn’t care less what anyone but Bush thinks at this point. If (when) he loses his slim grip, he is going to prison, where he will learn to seek the approval of a different set of peers.
May 15th, 2007 at 9:44 amYes, but the Constitution is not a suicide pact.
May 15th, 2007 at 9:47 amPretty crappy PDF copy but thanks. If anybody has a better copy, please post it.
I have found that PDF is often quite “lossy” with graphic images.
May 15th, 2007 at 9:47 amAre these the same 12 (oh, I’m scared) who wrote in a letter: “As lawyers, and as a matter of principle, we can no longer be silent about this administration’s consistent disdain for the liberties we hold dear. Your failure to stand for the rule of law, particularly when faced with a president who makes the aggrandized claim of being a unitary executive, takes this country down a dangerous path.†I know at least 12 lawyers who want Gonzales to stay — next Swiftboating please.
May 15th, 2007 at 9:49 amCan anyone find the url @ the Post for the pdf?
May 15th, 2007 at 9:56 ami’ve been wondering for a while where those harvard classmates and professors were….
May 15th, 2007 at 9:56 amThis isn’t a swiftboating, you Repuke troll moron.
Swiftboating is when Repukes LIE and SMEAR the Dems.
Gonzales really DOES have all those problems. He really does have disdain for our liberties and fails to stand for the rule of law.
Go back under your bridge, troll.
May 15th, 2007 at 9:57 amAs I recall, “Rule of Law” seemed to be very important to these folks when they were trying to nail Clinton. Now, I guess IOKIYAR.
May 15th, 2007 at 9:58 amJake needs to learn how to count. 56 lawyers, each with 25 years’ experience, signed the letter.
Jake, you are the kind of person to whom Benjamin Franklin was speaking when he said:
You (and those of your ilk) deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:00 amTypical Repuke troll. Jake can’t do his ‘rhythmatic. Dumbass.
There 56 names on that letter, moron. 4 columns of 14.
Jake can find 12 lawyers who love Gonzo and torture. Sure he can, at that fourth-rate Religious Reich lawschool that supplies all of the White House attorneys.
Real attorneys who still believe in the law are all appalled at what Gonzo has done to destroy the US Justice Department.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:01 amJake is back!!!
“Yes, but the Constitution is not a suicide pact.”
No it isn’t, but the essence of what Franklin was saying was not a suicide option. He was saying that while we may see some need to curtail our freedoms in order for some short term security, the moment you do that, is the moment you are no longer living the life of freedom that we as Americans ought to live always. “I’d rather die a free man” is what Franklin was getting at.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:03 am“Rule of law” still operates — for instance, it was perfectly legal to replace U.S. Attorneys for no reason whatsoever — if anyone in the Bush Administration violated the law, he or she should resign. BTW: what’s it called when Democrats lie and smear the Republicans, then? A witch hunt?
May 15th, 2007 at 10:03 amYou (and those of your ilk) deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Is it ILK SEASON again? Git my shotgun, Maude!! 8^)
May 15th, 2007 at 10:06 amJake,
Speaking of suicide, when ya gonna meet your maker you perverted coward? Since you’re like most of the rest of the GOP PUSSIES, we’ll carry on the fight without you.
So now grab that .45 and blow your tiny brains out!
May 15th, 2007 at 10:06 amFor the record, I was simply asking a question about the 12 from before, as linked in the thread. I can also find 56 lawyers, each with more than 25 years experience, who want Gonzales to stay. First, I’d start with the list of Pioneers, then the law school faculty — Professor Dershowitz, for example — then right down the line. It’s not that difficult, as I said.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:06 amIt’s nice to see this stance for our inbred liberties by a group of respected people of thought.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:07 amI can’t wait to see more of this in print and allll over the net.
Bravo!
Wow. Jake is more pathetic than ever. Still desperately trying to push talking points debunked months ago!
Jake, buddy, you really need to move on. The White House and DOJ have moved on. That is why they’ve circled the wagons.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:08 amAnd, I’d rather live, Crump’s Brother. Do you think Professor Dershowitz (at Harvard last time I checked) is a fourth-rate Religious Reich law professor? How about Ken Starr?
May 15th, 2007 at 10:08 amIt doesn’t make any difference - don’t you see?
The American public, attorneys of both parties, and the growing number of concerned citizens decrying Gonzo and the Bush&Co administration are irrelevant.
Gonzo is the human shield for W and he doesn’t mind the position –although spending that much time on his knees must be painful.
The repugs in congress are in denial, and desperately defending the Bushies.
The media is stifling their yawns.
The conservative pundits are belittling it.
Bush backs Gonzo and that’s all that counts. He will stonewall with his “I don’t recall(s)” until we turn blue, but he is an integral part of the Bush defense, so he will stay until his usefulness is no longer.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:08 amJake,
Dershowitz never said he thinks Gonzalez should stay on. He did say he thinks there is room for torture in a post 9-11 world. Luckily the majority of Americans don’t think so.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:10 amBut, Jake, the point is that the Republicans are self-destructing, not whether you can find 56 lawyers who support Gonzales. Most USAs and AUSAs do not support Gonzales. Don’t you think that is a problem? Well, you don’t, Jake, because you are hostile to the rule of law, and because you worship authoritarian government, not to mention your creepy manlove-worship for your precious CIC.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:10 am“The constitution is not a suicide pact.” Interesting quote, first used famously by Justice Jackson in dissenting from a Supreme Court opinion that defended the freedom of speech.
How very appropriate to be posted in a thread that warns us: ‘Those who give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.’
Congratulations Jake, you defeated your own argument.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:11 amJake, Ken Starr and Alan Dershowitz have both deeply compromised their legal and moral principles. Dershowitz openly supports torture. But you openly support torture too, sick cowardly little mean f*ck that you are.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:12 amJake is a typical Repuke. He’s been filled with lies and spin for so long that he doesn’t know what the truth is.
The truth is that Bush people violated the law and should be prosecuted, not just resign. Gonzo and Rove should quit. Miers should be prosecuted. Sampson too.
Jake is so far removed from reality that he characterizes this as a Democrat smear, when nothing could be farther from the truth.
Jake lives in a Chimpy Bizarro World and is a delusional psychotic.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:13 amIf Gonzo and his ilk have done NOTHING ILLEGAL, then WHY has
MONICA GOODLING been offered immunity, and WHY did shs
PLEAD THE FIFTH in the first place?
And WHY won’t Karl Rove testify UNDER OATH to his involvement with the firings, which emails and testifmony have ALREADY SHOWN??
Oh, right…
Firing attorneys under NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES may NOT be illegal.
Firing them to OBSTRUCT CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS, which has been shown to be the case
IS ILLEGAL.
See you in hell jake, and ALL my Nazi azz-lickers (I’LL be THERE),
May 15th, 2007 at 10:14 amMr. Bush
MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COXUCKER PUNK TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM–BushCrimeCo, Inc.)
“Rule of law†still operates — for instance, it was perfectly legal to replace U.S. Attorneys for no reason whatsoever — if anyone in the Bush Administration violated the law, he or she should resign. BTW: what’s it called when Democrats lie and smear the Republicans, then? A witch hunt?”
First of all, it is perfectly legal for Bush to appoint anyone he wishes and hire or fire at will. This isn’t the issue, but obstruction of justice is. Additionally, in the past when other presidents fired the attorneys, there was a system of checks and balances in place; all attorneys had to pass senate confirmation. However, when Bush passed the Patriot act he bypassed this.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:14 amWas the “suicide pact” quote from one of the Japanese-American Internment cases that came before the Supremes?
Another dark day in American history, but I’m sure the Repuke troll thinks it is okay to detain American citizens without due process.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:14 amI just put in a call to the DoJ and reportedly Alberto does not remember any of his class-mates.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:15 amJake sez:
Indeed it is not, Shakey. Anytime you feel you can’t hack the responsibilities of living in a free society, you’re free to leave.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:15 amA jake is a young male turkey, not yet sexually mature. They are know for being stupid, the basis for the statement, “Too stupid to come in out of the rainâ€.
Sound familiar?
Ignore this pathetic troll, in whatever moniker he/she picks for the day.
I for one, hope that all the Bush losers stick around, Gonzalez, Wolfowitz, Calvert, Cheney and the cheerleader himself. The more rope they have, the more they are exposed as the evil f*cks they are, the easier it will be to dismember and bury them in 08. Trolls only get to vote once, not matter how many psychotic identities they have.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:18 amDon’t bother using phrases like “obstruction of justice” with Jake.
Inbred, knuckle-dragging redneck morons like him don’t understand it.
He doesn’t understand “the rule of law” either, nor “habeus corpus”.
He’s been completely brainwashed and is ready to accept his Chimperor.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:20 amCare to answer my questions, now, Crump’s Brother?
May 15th, 2007 at 10:20 amGonzo is digging a big hole for himself and so is Wolfy.
I hope the World Bank board fires Wolfy today. He is a crook.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:21 amWolfy is a typical Family Values Repuke…he has a wife AND a girlfriend.
Remember when the Repukes impeached Clinton for fooling around and lying about it (in a depo for a dismissed civil case)??
Well nowadays, I guess its okay if you’re a Repuke.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:25 amStill no call for Gonzo to resign.
Weasels.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:26 amSo they call him on his shit, but they don’t call for his resignation.
Jake…GFY
May 15th, 2007 at 10:27 amThe loyal Bushies have already resigned, now it is getting to the inner circle.
Chimpy is extremely loyal to his cronies and Gonzo goes way back with the Chimp. Chimpy won’t throw Gonzo under the bus.
This is going to get entertaining. The Dems are smelling blood and hopefully they won’t quit until Gonzo is removed from office.
Gonzo is the worst Attorney General in the history of the US. but then he works for the worst boss in the history of the US.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:28 amOh well, I will you guys around then. At least Glenn Greenwald is not afraid to answer questions.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:30 amThey did everything BUT tell Gonzo to quit.
They really threw the kitchen sink at him.
Maybe they figure that the quitting part is implied.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:31 amThere’s a difference between fear of answering questions and not paying attention to a puddle of mud. Trust me, this is a message board, nobody is afraid of anything that takes place here. Deflate that big head of yours, Jake/Mr. President/Trolls’r'us
May 15th, 2007 at 10:33 amBen Franklin never would have recommended the turkey as the national bird if he had met “TP jake”. National lunch? Maybe.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:33 amso that was what, a 1/4 page add?
May 15th, 2007 at 10:39 amJake may be able to find 56 attorneys with an opposing viewpoint, but can he find 56 attorneys to sign a letter of public support for the attorney general and then publish it for all the world to see.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:39 amI doubt it.
oops, I mean AD..
mornin Jake!
Zooey!How is my Princess of Progress on this beautiful morning?
May 15th, 2007 at 10:40 amAt least Glenn Greenwald is not afraid to answer questions.
Comment by Jake
Goodbye.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:40 amZooey!How is my Princess of Progress on this beautiful morning?
Comment by whiteyfresh
Hey whitey, I’m doing great on this beautiful morning. How about yourself?
May 15th, 2007 at 10:41 amIf I was any better I’d have to be twins just to handle myself!
*snerk*
OT I know, but aren’t there 2 votes coming up in the Senate today?I forgot what they are….
May 15th, 2007 at 10:45 amwhitey,
Your future is so bright, ya gotta wear shades. :)
Senate votes? Who knows? I’m on Summer Break.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:54 amWhere are my shades?
Oh well, I will you guys around then. At least Glenn Greenwald is not afraid to answer questions.
Comment by Jake — May 15, 2007 @ 10:30 am
So you ‘will’ us around eh? Isn’t it a little early in the day to be this high Jake?
May 15th, 2007 at 10:55 amBTW: what’s it called when Democrats lie and smear the Republicans, then? A witch hunt?
Comment by Jake — May 15, 2007 @ 10:03 am
R E C I P R O C I T Y
But tell us which Democrats are lying? Oh and we’d like the names of the 12 attorneys who agree with you and Gonzo. And the names of their law schools. Every major law firm in America cares what law school you attended but you think Harvard Law has not more credibility than Regent College.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:56 amJake,
Sorry I couldn’t get to your questions, I do have other things I must do from time to time, you are not my highest priority.
“Do you think Professor Dershowitz (at Harvard last time I checked) is a fourth-rate Religious Reich law professor? How about Ken Starr?”
No. And I never implied as such. Not sure I understand why you asked that wuestion of me. Maybe I missed something earlier in the post.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:38 am“The Constitution is not a suicide pact.”
You’re absolutely right. “[W]e mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor” is from the Declaration of Independence — now that was a suicide pact!
May 15th, 2007 at 12:51 pm“Can anyone find the url @ the Post for the pdf?
Comment by mark”
Mark,
May 15th, 2007 at 4:52 pmRight click over the link in the original article, from the box that opens select/click on ‘properties’ (usually the last option in the list). You’ll find the pdf url there.
Crump’s Brother:
I didn’t want to contact both Dershowitz and Starr to ask them for you, only to have you move the goal posts.
John Bigbooté:
I will agree with you that the Declaration of Independence was indeed a suicide pact. We were discussing the U.S. Constitution. Please do try to keep up.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:55 pmi magine that headline** on the front page of ever newspaper in the country. alas a small mention on page 8 …below the fold. if the people heard more then the biassed ultra conservitive radio talk shows, blarring the same lies over and over and over, then the main stream press needs to hollar right back with the continuing exposers of the criminal activities this administration is involved with. they cannot be allowed to drown the truth out.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:26 am“Yes, but the Constitution is not a suicide pact.”
With every offense intended to the would-be authoritarians who like to use this line…yes it is. If you’ve ever actually read the Constitution (which honestly would surprise me), you might have noticed the lact of any provision for ignoring its restrictions when the President finds them inconvenient.
There are certain Constitutional restrictions on the government (habeus corpus, for example) that can be set aside in very specific circumstances, according to very specific procedures, but even those are rare. The majority of the Constitution’s restrictions on government power are laid out as absolute and without limit.
May 28th, 2007 at 7:53 pm