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“The Rev. Jerry Falwell has died,

By Nico Pitney on May 15th, 2007 at 1:32 pm

“The Rev. Jerry Falwell has died,

his office is reported as saying.”

UPDATE: CNN’s obituary of Falwell:

[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/05/falwellobit.320.240.flv]

UPDATE II: Steve Benen at The Carpetbagger Report has put together a retrospective.



864 Responses to ““The Rev. Jerry Falwell has died,”

  1. gah says:

    “…Only the good die young….”


  2. Fish says:

    There is a god…


  3. Yinka says:

    I hope he finds the after-life as he projected it to be


  4. Spudge_Boy says:

    Now is the part where we don’t celebrate, we give our condolences.


  5. Stephen says:

    Good riddance to the piece of crap. May Robertson, Dobson et al follow him into hell.


  6. oldtree says:

    a little less hatred in the world, for today.


  7. Jay Randal says:

    I feel sorry for Falwell’s family, but his death seems suspicious.


  8. RandyBastard says:

    I’ve long predicted that Falwell would be unable to contain the level of evil he was storing up in his human-like body. Eventually he was bound to explode, releasing all that hateful energy and funneling it back to hell.

    Or, perhaps Falwell’s god of hate finally got fed up with his crap and struck him down.

    Either way, the world will be a kinder place without him.
    .


  9. erock says:

    Best wishes to his friends and loved ones.


  10. Beelzebub says:

    Yup, we can confirm that news story as accurate.


  11. Juan C says:

    mmmm…nope. I dont feel anything.


  12. hacker bob says:

    This is great news!

    Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr. — May 15, 2007 @ 1:34 pm

    You are a sick f$@k


  13. Rosencrantz says:

    I know many are going to be morbidly jumping for jow over this. I firmly believe that Falwell was an evil bastard and is now going to have to answer for his time on earth.

    However, it is still a shock and it is unfortunate. I would much rather he change his ways and use his skills to unite the country instead of divide. Nothing good will come of his passing.


  14. Crump's Brother says:

    Good Riddance!


  15. Badmoodman says:

    What BushCo shenanigans will occur while Falwell’s death saturates several news cycles?


  16. klyde says:

    “The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.”

    Falwell never did a bit of good in his public life but the evil he did will be with this nation for a long long time!


  17. werenotgonnatakeit says:

    IT WAS CLINTON!!!!!


  18. mw says:

    why snark this? it just makes ‘us’ look bad.


  19. Can-O-Whoop-Ass says:

    You’re now a maggot happy meal, ‘cuz there is no Heaven when you’re dead, only a fantasy while you’re alive.


  20. DRxJ says:

    My thoughts and prayers to Mr.Falwell’s family.


  21. Jay Randal says:

    Something is up today, because Falwell has died mysteriously and Wolfowitz is going to get kicked out of the World Bank and Cheney is acting weird as well.


  22. CompTROLLER V-1 says:

    Off beat here, I have to genuously say that I wish the best for his family in dealing with this sudden death. Reverend Falwell, Rest in Peace.


  23. Mr. President says:

    Good Riddance!

    Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 15, 2007 @ 1:38 pm

    To bad rubbish


  24. Proud Dem says:

    HAS the story been verified?


  25. Jay Randal says:

    #7.

    Not you again.
    TROLLJACKER!
    TROLLJACKER!
    TROLLJACKER!


  26. Kay says:

    Hallelujah!

    Now, if only the true EVIL in Washington would follow suit.


  27. Stl Cynic says:

    Now is our time to show that we are more compassionate than the religious zealots. Comments related to burning in hell, etc. are inappropriate at this time. We can discuss his erroneous opinions and the evil done in the name of God at a later date. Now is not the time to celebrate his death. If we can’t be compassionate, we should say nothing.


  28. Apple says:

    That sleazy voice has been silenced. Thank God.


  29. Juan C says:

    Hacker bob, Gerald Gibson name has been hijacked from days ago.


  30. MrsFrench says:

    I predict Mr. Falwall will be very surprised at the love he is receiving from GAY people. Yes, gay people. They will greet him on the other side with love. He is very surprised right now, right Mr. Falwell?


  31. Mr. President says:

    why snark this? it just makes ‘us’ look bad.

    Comment by mw — May 15, 2007 @ 1:38 pm

    You’re damn right it does… bask in the awkward pleasure of hypocrisy!!!


  32. Joe says:

    Uhhh, ohhhh… we’re going to pay for some of those comments. Although anonymous, and probably even from some jerkoff conservative posers, you just wait. Malkin, Hannity and O’Reilly: “The Reverend Fallwell has died and you should hear some of the sick, hateful things said on these far left smear sites”.


  33. DDB says:

    #24 – it’s confirmed

    Prayers for Mr. Falwell’s family.


  34. SparksNV says:

    Would not want to be in his shoes as he meets his maker…I have no doubl he will burn in hell for all eternity for USING God and religion to spead hate, discrimination, discontent and to amass millions in personal fortune..Amen…


  35. Mr. President says:

    Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 15, 2007 @ 1:40 pm

    You have the heart of CompTROLLER V-100


  36. CompTROLLER V-1 says:

    Mr. President, today you can mourn…


  37. lw says:

    I figure he’s meeting up with Madeline Murray O’Hare about now, and she’s telling him,”Guess what. We were both wrong.”


  38. jack e. jett says:

    if there is a hell, falwell just checked in.

    and i feel nothing.

    tony snow is praying for him.

    if one believes as falwell did, this should be a celebration.

    jej


  39. GO says:

    I hope you get exactly what you deserve in the afterlife. Condolences to the family.


  40. SKdeA says:

    No matter how evil a person is, they probably have at least one person who loves them. If the Rev Falwell had anyone like that my condolences go out to them. That being said, the world is a better place without this particular hate-mongering madman in it.
    Dobson’s next in line for the major ear of the Resident, and he is just as bad.


  41. Valiantthehater says:

    Good Riddance!

    Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 15, 2007 @ 1:38 pm

    Very sad of you to say this, very, very sad. You ask us on the right to be civil, yet look at the hate and garbage you hateful left wingers spew out.

    pathetic, sad and evil of you. Truly evil.

    Right or left winger, you should not wish death or bad things on anyone.


  42. Mr. President says:

    Shit this site is too morbid even for ME today.


  43. Crump's Brother says:

    Mr. President,

    “To bad rubbish”

    I’m afraid I don’t follow


  44. dh says:

    My condolences to his family and friends.


  45. monkeyboy says:

    If there is any fairness in the afterlife that Falwell promoted for do long, he’s burning in Hell as we speak.
    His bitterness and hate turned many good people away from Christianity while simultaneously justifying the most base and cruel opinions from his followers. The Falwell example of a Christian leader, preaching hate instead of love and forgiveness, is sickening and now its over.
    Good riddance to you Mr. Falwell, how about taking Pat Robertson too?


  46. John says:

    Good Riddance!!


  47. Tom says:

    My condolences to Little Jerry’s family.

    Too bad he couldn’t have hung on, be declared braindead and become the new Terry Schiavo. Little Billy Frist could have reviewed videotapes and diagnosed him, the Republicans could have used the whole affair to distract public attention from their party’s implosion, etc.

    I’ll bet that GDumbya is making plans right now to attend Little Jerry’s funeral and perhaps even deliver the eulogy. He can’t be bothered over the slaughter of thousands in Iraq but Little Jerry’s death has certainly rocked his world, I am sure.


  48. citizen_pain says:

    10: Hilarious!


  49. Gerald Gibson Jr says:

    This “man” made America worse. Now America is a little bit of a better place. We all got to go sometime. But we all cant cause as much hatred in peoples hearts against their fellow man like good ol Jerry Falwell could…


  50. who cares says:

    It’s always sad to see someone die.

    BUT

    This guy made millions off the backs of good people who gave him large parts of their salaries becuase “God told them to”. I have no sympathy for a person who fleeces good people by telling them they were born evil.

    And that goes for evey televangilist in the world. Now hurry up and bury him in his gold coffin.


  51. Eric says:

    About right now, he’s probably wondering why it is so hot. Of course, I don’t really believe that. “My” God is powerful enough to forgive even the unrepentant bigots and religious opportunists like Falwell who lined their pockets with the tithes of naive and hating people. Right about now, in my own religion, Falwell is waking up to all the bad things he ever did or said, the curtain is coming back, and he is embarassed and mortified and scarred to the core for all the stuff he did over his life. He’s getting the biggest moment of clarity anyone could, and probably dreading every moment of it. And even for a mean bastard like Falwell, I think he’ll be forgiven.

    For some people, religion provides an answer in hating other people and thinking you are better. Unfortunately, there are plenty of “ministers” lining up to replace Falwell and provide the religious hate that so many people think they need to survive each day.


  52. Nirvision says:

    #32:

    Hah, definitely. Although TP as an org. hasn’t celebrated his passing.

    Thoughts to his family however.


  53. hacker bob says:

    Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 1:42 pm

    Thanks Juan. I was begining to think GGjr had slipped off the deep end.


  54. S.D. says:

    Wow. Despite the things I disagreed with, I’m Sorry to hear it.


  55. eisenreich says:

    Unlike Tony Snow or others on the right, I don’t have an ounce of sympathy for this intolerant bigot. Of course, I feel for his family, as I do whenever anyone dies, but I have nothing but contempt for a person who devoted his life to judging and vehemetly attacking certain groups of people.

    “AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.”

    “If you’re not a born-again Christian, you’re a failure as a human being.”

    R.I.P., Jer. At least for me, you’re in a better place: rotting in a hole in the ground.

    More of his legacy here:
    http://www.brainyquote.com/ quotes/ authors/ j/ jerry_falwell.html


  56. Democrat Soldier says:

    My prayers go out to the Falwell Family.

    I wish that Rev. Falwell had woken up to his pernicious ways before he had to atone for his many sins.

    I hope that he finds the forgiveness in his final resting place that he refused to give to others here on earth.


  57. a in pa says:

    some will say it was God’s will that took Jerry…. I say it was all the decades of animal fat he crammed in his talk hole.

    Jerry you will be missed, however, not by be… Buh-Bye


  58. werenotgonnatakeit says:

    We can snark this because the man was a shyster scumbag who trained psycho pentecostals to take over America.


  59. GSD says:

    Enter the parade of rightwing trolls writing all kinds of hateful things on leftwing websites so that they can call attention to the hate mongering and accuse the left of what they specialize in.

    -GSD


  60. marcus robinson says:

    I could not stand this man but my God bless his soul. RIP Jerry.


  61. Jay Randal says:

    Post 25 is the impostor name hijacker from the other Falwell thread. This will be my last post on here too till TP does something about it. Any further posts on this thread under my name are phony. Bye all.


  62. Gerald Gibson Jr says:

    pathetic, sad and evil of you. Truly evil.

    Right or left winger, you should not wish death or bad things on anyone.

    Comment by Valiantthehater

    Jerry encouraged Americans to hate their fellow Americans… he no more deserves respect than did the nazis… good ridance to all those kinds of people.


  63. hob says:

    It’s being ruled a suicide.

    A half-full box of doughnuts was open on the floor beside him.

    He left a note that said, “The French creullers are stale.”


  64. JesusChrist_GodOfWar says:

    Perhaps God couldn’t handle any more of his religious intolerance and pulled the plug on him?

    Just a thought.


  65. Last mogul says:

    I can never forgive Falwell’s name calling , like the time he called Ellen DeGeneres, “Ellen Degenerate” on the Larry King show.


  66. Your Conscience says:

    PRAISE JEUS, GOD IS GOOD.


  67. Juan C says:

    BTW, 25,000 children die each day due to curable deseases.
    Every 3 seconds one person die of hunger… due I have to feel pity for this human being? I dont.


  68. OxyCon says:

    I’m going to really miss seeing him on Teevee.


  69. Crump's Brother says:

    valiantthehater,

    YOU ARE A HYPOCRIT!!!!

    “Right or left winger, you should not wish death or bad things on anyone.”

    Bin Laden? Al Zawahiri? You wish their death all the time. Right?


  70. werenotgonnatakeit says:

    “Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions. ”

    Amen.


  71. Roland says:

    … how can I make sure … do not want to break open the “champagne tout de suite et pour rien …”


  72. recoveringcatholic says:

    Hooray…. good…. excellent…. one down many more to go….


  73. Marie says:

    Are you all ready?
    Falwell’s, death, funeral and followers will monopolize the news until the weekend.
    No news from Iraq, from the Senate hearings, from the DOJ, nothing will be worth reporting for the next 100 hours — the world will stop spinning on its axis.
    Sorry, I usually have compassion, but in this case, I have no feeling. The country will not suffer in his absence.


  74. Gerald Gibson Jr says:

    Hacker bob, Gerald Gibson name has been hijacked from days ago.

    Comment by Juan C

    Yes I have been hyjacked by the cowards that come here… but I am here on lunch right now and I agree with the original hyjacker in my name … this IS great news… and NO I am NOT a sick F*(&^ … This man was evil … in the name of JESUS he was evil…


  75. Not Smug says:

    The world is a slightly better place than it was just a few hours ago.

    One less pusher of hate and bigotry.


  76. Marie says:

    #16
    Perfect quote from Julius Caesar.


  77. Roland says:

    how can I make sure .. do not want to break open the “champagne tout de suite et pour rien en plus …


  78. Jim Wolf says:

    While I did not care for Mr. Falwell’s type of religion and expression of it I do extend my condolences and sympayhy ot his family.
    May he rest in peace. A peace that, perhaps, he never found in this mortal life.


  79. Kay says:

    Maybe he died while he was doing the ‘nasty’ with Ted Haggard…


  80. erock says:

    I’m in favor of registration at TP due in large part to this kind of thread. A lot of newcomers spewing venomous, hate-filled rants. I suspect the split is about 50-50 between conservative “posers” and misguided liberal folks. Regardless, it needs to stop. Death is nothing to celebrate.


  81. Juan C says:

    due I have to feel pity for this human being? I dont.
    Comment by Juan C

    mmm…that was a do.


  82. Jay Randal says:

    #61 was a troll name jacker.
    Ignore it.
    I will continue to post here as we must remain commited to the end of the Republican party.
    The trolls and name jackers are RNC operatives who are scared of our influence.
    Let’s keep it up and not get side tracked.


  83. Your Conscience says:

    My God can beat up your god.

    –Jerry Fallswell


  84. Valiantthehater says:

    valiantthehater,

    YOU ARE A HYPOCRIT!!!!

    “Right or left winger, you should not wish death or bad things on anyone.”

    Bin Laden? Al Zawahiri? You wish their death all the time. Right?

    Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 15, 2007 @ 1:50 pm

    Nope, I don’t wish death upon anyone. Don’t assume. Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri (who already is dead) are evil individuals and God will punish them. If we capture them, they should pay the appropiate price. If they die in battle so be it, but I don’t wish their death.

    don’t assume Crump, plus, even if I did wish them death, two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Stop assuming so much about those you disagree with.

    I wish death upon no one. Here is a shocker for you, I am 100% against the death penalty. don’t assume.


  85. Ben Dover says:

    Have the wing nuts started to blame Bill Clinton for Falwell’s death ??


  86. labdad95 says:

    Rest assured, there’s another creep waiting to take his place as the king of hate.


  87. DM says:

    Larry Flynt outlives Jerry Falwell.


  88. Valiantthehater says:

    I’m in favor of registration at TP due in large part to this kind of thread. A lot of newcomers spewing venomous, hate-filled rants. I suspect the split is about 50-50 between conservative “posers” and misguided liberal folks. Regardless, it needs to stop. Death is nothing to celebrate.

    Comment by erock — May 15, 2007 @ 1:53 pm

    Erok, well said. Death is nothing to celebrate.


  89. Heterodoxy says:

    I am left wondering if Falwell fell well to the ground as he didn’t feel well.


  90. Fools on the Hill says:

    Let’s hope he takes that bigoted hatred with himself as he leaves this world.


  91. Lw says:

    I wonder what Fallwell did to offend God that caused him to be struck down? Didn’t he say the Ariel Sharon was struck down for giving land to the Palestinians?

    LW


  92. Jim in Portland says:

    I’m positively grief stricken. NOT!!


  93. whiteyfresh says:

    someone I work with maade the comment/question:”I suppose his secretary popped out from under the desk after they moved him?”


  94. Juan C says:

    Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — May 15, 2007 @ 1:51 pm

    Sorry. Gerald doesnt do so many typos.


  95. Wayne says:

    Frankly, I find it hard to offer condolences for a man who persecuted so many and perpetrated Hate in the name of God.


  96. DRxJ says:

    too many name jackers, too many “posers” here spewing their hated words as if from the left.
    Time to move on…


  97. Kay says:

    It’s being ruled a suicide.

    A half-full box of doughnuts was open on the floor beside him.

    He left a note that said, “The French creullers are stale.”

    Comment by hob

    ———————–

    Thanks for the laugh!
    -kay


  98. Mr. Bush Goes To Hell says:

    Let’s have a Fox “news” talking-head discussion on this one.

    DID JERRY FALWELL END UP IN HEAVEN or HELL??

    Rest in Peace, Jerry.

    Something you DENIED to many Iraqis and US soldiers when you said:
    “God is Pro-War”

    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36859

    Come on, Fox ghouls and REAL Americans.

    What do YOU think?

    Personally, I’ll see Ronnie in hell (cause I’LL be THERE),

    Mr. Bush
    MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
    COWARDLY TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM–BushCrimeCo, Inc.)


  99. Geral;d Gibson Jr. says:

    #74 is a name jacker.
    Keep posting under my name you coward!
    I bet you’re upset over Falwell’s death.
    Well he’s dead and the Ayatollah Khamanei is still here.
    That’s justice!


  100. Gerald Gibson Jr says:

    Death is nothing to celebrate.

    Comment by erock

    Sure it is… death is nothing special… happens all the time…

    Joseph Goebbels – Hurray!
    Osama – Hurry! (some day)
    Falwell – well today is his day… hurray!

    Politically Correct BS can just get bent…


  101. KingCranky says:

    Looks like Larry Flynt’s more favored in the eyes of God than Falwell, seeing as how Flynt’s still alive & kicking


  102. reality says:

    Now all the god people will be praying their empty heads off… “oh please magical sky being! Please have mercy on this man’s non-existant ghost energy when it passes through the portal of good eternity!”

    Who’s next? Robertson? Dobson? Farrakhan?


  103. Crump's Brother says:

    erock,

    death is part of life. While you may not like the fact that many saw Falwell as the American equivalent of bin Laden, I did. I feel relieved that we wont have to deal with his garbage anymore. I had hoped that over the years he would come around to be a tolerant compassionate christian leader, but he chose the route of hate, and I couldn’t care less that he is gone. I am neither misguided nor a poser.

    It’s nice though that you would like my thoughts censored as such. Nor will I allow your feelings on my views to silence me.

    If you would like to engage in some dialogue as to why I shouldn’t feel somewhat relived that this man is gone, then fine, but don’t promote censoring people.


  104. ann says:

    When Castro dies, I certainly expect restraint and respect from the trolls. Chavez, too.


  105. Your Conscience says:

    Some of Falwell’s retard nuggets;

    Is he [the Antichrist] alive and here today? Probably. Because when he appears during the Tribulation period he will be a full-grown counterfeit of Christ. Of course he’ll be Jewish. Of course he’ll pretend to be Christ. And if in fact the Lord is coming soon, and he’ll be an adult at the presentation of himself, he must be alive somewhere today.”
    -Rev. Jerry Falwell at a conference in Kingsport , Tenn. , 14 Jan. 1999

    We, the Order of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, reverentially acknowledge the majesty and supremacy of Almighty God and recognize His goodness and providence through Jesus Christ our Lord.
    -Ku Klux Klan creed (from the Constitution and Laws of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan )
    The idea that religion and politics don’t mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.
    -Rev. Jerry Falwell


  106. Marie says:

    Taking the high road when it comes to certain demagogues, is worthless.
    Taking the high road, refraining from judgements, and employing a positive approach to an event will only serve the demagogue and his followers.
    They, who never have taken the high road in their lives, see those who do so as sufficiently weak to use their charity against them.


  107. Proud Dem says:

    I never did believe in his teachings and I always did think he was a first class shyster (to use someone else’s words here), I don’t think he deserves the outpouring of hate you guys have been saying.

    Can we all show the Republican’ts that we are better than this? This is what we are going to defeat in 2008, let’s not stoop to their level. Please.


  108. Juan C says:

    Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri (who already is dead) are evil individuals and God will punish them.
    Comment by Valiantthehater

    ???? According to their god, they are not evil. They are holy crusaders in a battle against the real Evil = the US.

    Now, in a funny exercise, find the differences between your and their rethoric.


  109. barfly says:

    “Someone must not be afriad to say, ‘moral perversion is wrong.’ If we do not act now, homosexuals will ‘own’ America!…If you and I do not speak up now, this homosexual steamroller will leterally crush all decent men, women, and children who get in its way…and our nation will pay a terrible price!” – People for the American Way, “Hostile Climate,” 1997, p.15.

    Let’s not trash Falwell – his own words do that quite nicely. If anyone wants to bash the departed Falwell, use his own words to do it.


  110. who cares says:

    um, guys, it’s never a tragedy when an old man dies. That’s what old people do. He lived a full, hate-filled, and powerful life.

    And this month 50 of our 18-25 yearolds have died horrible deaths in Iraq this month. Young men who will never live out their lives the way Falwell did. THAT’S the tragedy.


  111. valiant venus says:

    To the compassionate Progressives who disliked Jerry Falwell but do not wish him (or his family) ill will – you are the face of compassion that has been eroding from Progressivism for some time. Unfortunately, your ranks are filled with cruel, hateful people – and that is a shame.

    To the sick and twisted “others” – What a pitiful, sad lot you are. We have angry atheists weighing in with their “guesses” and Leftist extremists:
    “It’s official he’s dead. Good riddance.”
    “The fires that we have been having are a clear sign that SATAN is calling his most humble servant home.”
    “Yeah he died watching kiddie porm.
    Either way it’s good he’s dead!”

    How pitiful – but not surprising……


  112. Technodaoist says:

    The inevitable.

    May we all meet it with the confidence of our beliefs…

    Or maybe its The Rapture…


  113. filkertom says:

    The man and his words and his work are all well known, and we all have pretty strong feelings about him. None of that matters at this moment; a man is dead. May he find whatever rest he sought.


  114. Larry from C says:

    My short list of the worst type of human beings:

    (1) War Profiteers
    (2) False Prophets/Religious Phonies
    (3) Brutal Dictators
    (4) Child Molesters
    (5) Murder’s for Hire

    I’d hate to be the soul of Jerry Falwell right now.


  115. dantheman says:

    Tough one… I don’t feel right rejoicing over his death and therefore I will not. However, although I feel sadness for his family, there will now be less evil and hatred preached to the masses. Falwell did not represent an accurate view of Christianity, which espouses, love, compassion, understanding, and forgiveness. Instead, he was a vile man who most often preached hatred, bigotry, and intolerance. He twisted and manipulated Christianity to attain power and wealth for himself and his chronies. May Dobson, Robertson and the likes of them suddenly become aware of their mortality and change their evil ways. If they trully believe in God, which I sincerely doubt, they may they reflect upon their own corrupt lives and start making amends.


  116. Ben Dover says:

    Whats really unfortunate about Falwell’s death is that it will capture the news for the next god/allah knows how many days. Reighwing fascist groups like Dobson’s and others will demand that his carcass be on display in the Capitol and “christians” who followed this bigoted hypocrite will be on every talk show imaginable. Bush will be pressured to award Falwell a posthumous Medal of Freedom.

    All the while, 3, 4, maybe 8 American kids will die for lies in Iraqnam and the only coverage will be a little box called “Names of the Dead” in the New York Times. Along with those American kids will be a bunch of innocent Iraqi’s killed in a war that Geroge Bush the “christian” started. There may be a brief mention of those deaths.

    Yet the death of this porcine asshole will be headline news now that Anna Nicole Smith is finally winding down. We have a very fucked up set of priorities in this country if the death of a class A hater like Falwell overshadows the sacrifices of American kids dying for Repugnican lies in Iraqnam.


  117. Gerald Gibson Jr. says:

    Well the Ayatollah Khamanei and Sheik Hassan Nasrallh live!
    How irony.
    That proves they are real holymen unlike Falwell!


  118. hacker bob says:

    Gerald Gibson Jr,

    Not sure if this is the “real” you or not. To celebrate in the death of any person requires you to give up a small piece of yourself. Eventually, you will become that which you hate by displaying the same traits as the object of your hate.

    I do not wish death on bin Ladin and did not wish death on Saddam. Those are two men that committed acts far more evil than Falwell.

    You call Falwell “evil” because you disagree with his POV. I am personally indifferent towards him. Some would call him a hero for voicing his opinions. Each has their own reality.


  119. Crump's Brother says:

    Valiantthehater,

    But you support war at all costs? You find “collateral damage” acceptable do you not?

    I would argue that if you are truly not for the death of other humans, then there is no way you can support this war now.

    “Death is nothing to celebrate.”

    Buddhists would disagree with you. This is a religious view. Death is something to celebrate if you look at it as a natural part of our lives which it is. Why must it necessarily be sad?


  120. RandyBastard says:

    Falwell’s spokeshole just said on CNN “this will be like Virginia Tech, I suppose… a bittersweet thing.” What part of VT was the sweet part?

    EVIL!! Pure unadulterated EVIL lives on in Lynchburg.
    .


  121. Gerald Gibson Jr says:

    Sorry. Gerald doesnt do so many typos.

    Comment by Juan C

    When I am short on time and typing really fast I do… I know I am normally more chilled out about things like this… but I grew up with this piece of crap on TV all the time…. I tried to believe in Jesus, but this man made it really hard because he tried to make me and many others believe Jesus was a sick F%^* like Jerry Falwell himself.

    He ABUSED the name of Jesus and I give him no pass because of that… good riddance to him.


  122. Zep Tepi says:

    While I did not agree with Falwells political ideology, I do respect human life and family. My condolences to the Falwell family.


  123. HeartlandLiberal says:

    And Jerry is now, one hopes, discovering the eternal torment of that special circle in Hell reserved for him, for all the evil he did to others throughout his career. How can one be respectful of a man who said and did so many evil things? His prejudice, bigotry, intolerance, and narrow-mindedness knew no limits. I will shed neither tear nor moment of sorrow at his passing. I hope God judges him harshly, for he has earned it.


  124. Jerry Falwell says:

    Dang, its HOT down here!


  125. El Tonno says:

    >> Death is nothing to celebrate.

    Spare me the “Plifchtbetroffenheit”. It stinks.


  126. filkertom says:

    #

    Taking the high road when it comes to certain demagogues, is worthless.
    Taking the high road, refraining from judgements, and employing a positive approach to an event will only serve the demagogue and his followers.
    They, who never have taken the high road in their lives, see those who do so as sufficiently weak to use their charity against them.

    Comment by Marie — May 15, 2007 @ 1:58 pm

    I hope you understand if I disagree, if only because of the notion that I refuse not to be a better person than him. Gloating serves no purpose except making the gloater look bad.

    I will not miss him, I will not mourn him. But it’s not for me, at least, to stomp on his grave while the body’s still warm. His family presumably loves him; his ministry will miss him. Out of sheer human compassion, an old man has passed away and deserves a moment.


  127. Your Conscience says:

    As you read this Tinky Winky is greeting him at the Pearly Gates stating “Jerry…Jerry… We need to talk”


  128. barfly says:

    To the compassionate Progressives who disliked Jerry Falwell but do not wish him (or his family) ill will –

    Did someone here wish his family ill? I must have missed it.


  129. filkertom says:

    #

    Falwell’s spokeshole just said on CNN “this will be like Virginia Tech, I suppose… a bittersweet thing.” What part of VT was the sweet part?

    EVIL!! Pure unadulterated EVIL lives on in Lynchburg.
    .

    Comment by RandyBastard — May 15, 2007 @ 2:01 pm

    … Okay, that’s f****d.


  130. valiant venus says:

    #59 – “Enter the parade of rightwing trolls writing all kinds of hateful things on leftwing websites so that they can call attention to the hate mongering and accuse the left of what they specialize in.”
    Comment by GSD

    GSD – I feel sorry for the 6-8 honourable Progs here at TP right now. BTW, TP doesn’t need “help” from Righties to get the “Hate of the Left” messages flowing…..You have enough resident wackos to fill the boards with Left-wing venom……


  131. ironyinc says:

    and today is free ice cream day at haagen-dazs:

    http://www.haagen-dazs.com/newflavorday/


  132. Juan C says:

    How pitiful – but not surprising……
    Comment by valiant venus

    Exactly. You get what you earn.


  133. Gerald Gibson Jr says:

    How pitiful – but not surprising……

    Comment by valiant venus

    You have ZERO credibility… because of people like YOU and JERRY FALWELL … 3,300+ Americans are DEAD in Iraq… and 100,000s of Iraqis are DEAD… ZERO CREDIBILITY.


  134. doro says:

    For his sake, I hope the God who judges him, is the benevolent forgiving God that I believe in, not his version.

    May he rest in peace.


  135. Crump's Brother says:

    I think it’s important I better define my stance on death.

    I don’t think death by ‘natural cause’ is sad. I think death brought on by stupid crap like war is very sad.

    I hope the difference is obvious


  136. Gerald Gibson Jr. says:

    Hacker Bob,
    This man deserves death.
    That’s why I’m happy!
    I hate Christians would rather live under Muslims rule!


  137. St. Peter says:

    #

    Now is the part where we don’t celebrate, we give our condolences.

    Comment by Spudge_Boy — May 15, 2007 @ 1:35 pm

    Should we have given our codolences to Hitler too?


  138. Valiantthehater says:

    And Jerry is now, one hopes, discovering the eternal torment of that special circle in Hell reserved for him, for all the evil he did to others throughout his career. How can one be respectful of a man who said and did so many evil things? His prejudice, bigotry, intolerance, and narrow-mindedness knew no limits. I will shed neither tear nor moment of sorrow at his passing. I hope God judges him harshly, for he has earned it.

    Comment by HeartlandLiberal — May 15, 2007 @ 2:02 pm

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! A liberal attacking a conservative for being a bigot, intolerante and narrow minded? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Liberals ARE the most intolerant, narrow minded, full of bigotry against Christianity human beings that have ever walked this Earth.

    In fact, Liberals hate anyone that doesn’t agree with their Liberal agenda and beliefs.

    Please, please, please! get off your high horse, stop preaching as if you were a better person.

    Everyone with an IQ over 100 knows that Liberals are intolerant, narrow minded, and bigots.

    pathetic and sad that you would wish harm on another human being. Completly pathetic!


  139. Candyce says:

    Sure, death is nothing to celebrate, unless the dead guy used the death of innocents to push his anti-gay agenda. You know, the guy who said this:

    “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.’”

    Or this:

    “AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.”

    Am I supposed to be a hypocrite and say I am sorry he’s gone? Unlike him, I am no hypocrite. To me this is just the end of a sorry, damaging chapter in American life.


  140. erock says:

    If you would like to engage in some dialogue as to why I shouldn’t feel somewhat relived that this man is gone, then fine, but don’t promote censoring people.

    Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 15, 2007 @ 1:58 pm

    Being relieved that someone is gone and celebrating his/her death are two very different things. It is in poor taste to be so vocal about either just minutes after their passing. Say what you want, I could really care less, just know how it reflects on you and the rest of us here at TP.


  141. Daryll says:

    There is a god…

    Comment by Fish — May 15, 2007 @ 1:34 pm

    I bind the devil that is in you. IN JESUS NAME!


  142. Pete Bogs says:

    Some will say that God had decided it was his time to go, but I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say you helped this happen.


  143. freder421 says:

    I am a proud liberal, but I take no joy in the death of the Reverend Falwell. I know that one day I will be leaving this earth also. I lost my mother in 1997 and to this day I still miss her. But i am mindful of the 40 years that I had with her. The lost of Jerry Falwell might not mean anything to us, even some of us might find joy in his death. But I know that someone is missing the Reverend today, my regrets to you on the passing of your loved one.


  144. RandyBastard says:

    I’d like to remind valiant venus that Progressives have never claimed the compassionate moniker. That’s you guys.

    That’s you guys, like Falwell himself, who have preached compassion from one side of your mouths while spewing hate from the other side.

    We are actually living up to his teachings by expressing our joy at his passing.


  145. Daryll says:

    God’s child has done very well. As far as his health, I believe God saw that he was struggling and told his son to come home because he hath done good work on this earth.


  146. valiant venus says:

    Juan – Since I suspect you believe in nothing Godly, you’ve earned nothing? Tooo sad!


  147. Gerald Gibson Jr says:

    You call Falwell “evil” because you disagree with his POV. I am personally indifferent towards him. Some would call him a hero for voicing his opinions. Each has their own reality.

    Comment by hacker bob

    NO… I did not just disagree with his POV… I believed in the REAL Jesus and he taught millions that the REAL Jesus was an evil piece of crap like Jerry Falwell.

    There are good things in religion… Jerry Falwell isnt one of them. His POV is no more a cover than was Hitlers POV…

    I judge him by his deeds… he deserves my disdain… There is no such thing as “happy land” and never will be…


  148. Crump's Brother says:

    valiant venus,

    Falwell=bin Laden,

    Two religious hate filled zealots. While Falwell may not be responsible for the death of thousands of innocent people, he is responsible for nearly identical rhetoric. He is (was) a judgemental hate filled human. His religion is better off with him gone. As is my country.

    I would not say this about nearly any other person in our culture. I would not say the same about the President for instance. I disagree with him on policy vehemently, and I do believe that many of his policies are uncompassionate in nature, but he is nowehere the hateful schmuck that Falwell was.


  149. Joker says:

    Gerald,
    You’re a Leftwing intolerant scumbag.
    It’s weird you attcak Christians yet praise Islamic extemists.
    You’re a fraud!


  150. michael says:

    It’s amazing how much hatred exists on the left with those you don’t agree with. The sad part is you probably don’t even know why it exists. #135, you are correct, it is a sad reflection on you liberals.


  151. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    GSD – I feel sorry for the 6-8 honourable Progs here at TP right now. BTW, TP doesn’t need “help” from Righties to get the “Hate of the Left” messages flowing…..You have enough resident wackos to fill the boards with Left-wing venom…… Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:04 pm

    It’s true TP doesn’t need the help to get the “Hate of the Left” out, especially when you wingnuts spread your hate so feverishly it overwhelms every other message. You’ve spent 400 million a year for the last 30 years spreading the wingnut vision of hate that called Liberals godless, while your wingnut religious leaders preached nothing but hate.

    We do have lots of resident wackos here, but they spew Right-wing venom like you – you hateful, spiteful, little Anorexic C*nt. Tell me wingnut. What would *Jesus* think of your hatred?


  152. Pete Bogs says:

    134 – right… I am not going to say I am glad he’s dead, but I do think it fair to replay his words from after the tragic death of 3000 people before our eyes…


  153. klaus says:

    So happy to hear this unexpected news!
    A great day. I hope he’s in hell.


  154. Can-O-Whoop-Ass says:

    #

    God’s child has done very well. As far as his health, I believe God saw that he was struggling and told his son to come home because he hath done good work on this earth.

    Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:09 pm

    DUHryll,

    When are you going to join them? Take Jake and Valium with you..


  155. Karim says:

    This calls for a celebration.


  156. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Juan – Since I suspect you believe in nothing Godly, you’ve earned nothing? Tooo sad! Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:10 pm

    A st*pid c*nt like you that calls for genocide, torture and murder of others, and makes dead baby jokes about her own *fictional* child is in no position to preach *Godly* values.


  157. Hedley Lamarr says:

    His family must be thrilled. Peace at last by the side of his saviour. What more could they ask?


  158. Daryll says:

    I hope you get exactly what you deserve in the afterlife. Condolences to the family.

    Comment by GO — May 15, 2007 @ 1:44 pm

    Yes he will. He’s currently in Abraham’s bossom awaiting judgement day. God will open up the gates, which are made of pearls, and he walk on the streets that are made of gold. God will tell Rev. Jerry, “Well done my good and faithful servant”. GLORY BE TO GOD!!!!!


  159. Paul in LA says:

    HUELE AZUFRE!

    Jerry Fallwell, dead at 666.


  160. a in pa says:

    109. put a cork in it, it’s fun mocking that GIGANTIC DEAD SOB. If that guy displayed an ounce of compassion and tact during his pie filled life, maybe i’d do the same right now but he didn’t…

    121. HA!


  161. Gerald Gibson Jr says:

    I bind the devil that is in you. IN JESUS NAME!

    Comment by Daryll

    I saw this done many many times in church… IT DOES NOT WORK… no more than the ouija board does…


  162. Dale says:

    #109, well said valiant. It’s amazing how much evil some of you regularly spew, yet rant and rave against others (like Rev. Falwell), claiming that *they* spew evil.


  163. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    It’s amazing how much hatred exists on the left with those you don’t agree with. The sad part is you probably don’t even know why it exists. #135, you are correct, it is a sad reflection on you liberals.
    Comment by michael — May 15, 2007 @ 2:11 pm

    Pure projection michael. The hate is all about you, isn’t it coward?


  164. Spudge_Boy says:

    Daryll jinks Falwell in the last thread. See Daryll, God is mad at you.


  165. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    God’s child has done very well. As far as his health, I believe God saw that he was struggling and told his son to come home because he hath done good work on this earth. Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:09 pm

    Was that *before* or *after* God lied to him and told Falwell he’d see the Rapture in *his* lifetime?

    Crazy wingnut.


  166. Tom says:

    So Little Newty Gingrich will deliver the eulogy at Jerry’s funeral.

    How appropriate. One crock praising another.


  167. Zep Tepi says:

    TP doesn’t need “help” from Righties to get the “Hate of the Left” messages flowing…..You have enough resident wackos to fill the boards with Left-wing venom……

    Comment by valiant venus

    Would you stop with the divisive venomous spray painting? Half the reason people say venomous crap is in return for others venomous crap. And you have posted more than your share of it here V V. I can also find many venomous statements by Falwell who blamed people here, very wrongly, in America for the deaths on 9/11.

    Just Stop it V V.


  168. Innocent Bystander says:

    Best wishes to the family. I’d dearly love to have Jerry back for 5 minutes and see if he has anything revelatory to share about his after-life findings.


  169. Crump's Brother says:

    erock,

    Your point is well made. Celebration is overboard. If my posts came off that way to anyone I apologize and I should not have been that way.

    It’s hard not to be given this man’s hypocrisy and hateful ways though.

    I think I have been a very balanced voice on TP. As we all do, I feel particularly strongly about this. I suppose I should have followed that sagely advice in this situation. “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.”

    I’m done posting about Rev. Falwell.


  170. Gerald Gibson Jr says:

    it is a sad reflection on you liberals.

    Comment by michael

    And we are supposed to believe people that started a war of aggression that has gotten untold #s of people killed? Shut up.


  171. barfly says:

    How pitiful – but not surprising……

    Comment by valiant venus

    That you’d make stuff up to prove a point? You said that we were trashing Falwell’s family – yet provided no proof. You are trying to make imaginary political points off Falwell’s death, which is as repugnant as anything you’ve accused us of. Or you could prove me wrong by posting one comment that wished Falwell’s family ill…


  172. Shining Light says:

    “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say’you helped this happen.”

    Jerry-I hope your imaginary supreme being is currently pointing a finger in your face.

    No doubt Bushco will want to the country to fly all the flags at half-staff!


  173. OZ says:

    .
    .
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    “AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah’s chariotters.” –Jerry Falwell, DEAD at 73, FINALLY!
    .
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    .


  174. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    I bind the devil that is in you. IN JESUS NAME!
    Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:07 pm

    The devil is already bound *to-you*, You hateful disgusting Jake*ss.


  175. Larry from C says:

    If the corporate media wants to do the public a favor they’ll engage a discourse on the psychology of religious mania and what we can do to prevent future Falwells. Also, how we can prevent our friends and family from falling prey to religious cult-like figures who preach hate and division.

    Will the corporate media use Falwell’s death as an opportunity to help our communities? Or will the blab on and on for 3 days saying nothing of value?


  176. valiant venus says:

    For you pathetic Progs to compare Jerry Falwell with Adolph Hitler is so out of the realm of reality (How many people was Falwell responsible for killing? You were forced to endure Falwell’s religious leadership by (fill in the blank). Your analogies are poor, your tolerance for opposing views is non-existent and your compassion is nil.


  177. Pete Bogs says:

    135, 144 – see comments 137 and 146 for my response… there’s no pleasure in my words, just a sense of fairness…


  178. Daryll says:

    For his sake, I hope the God who judges him, is the benevolent forgiving God that I believe in, not his version.

    May he rest in peace.

    Comment by doro — May 15, 2007 @ 2:06 pm

    He won’t be judged until Judgement Day. God will accept Jerry, but what about you? Have you followed Acts 2:38, as well? Do you want to go to hell, which is consisted of fire and brimstone?


  179. Can-O-Whoop-Ass says:

    Send Me Your Money – Suicidal Tendencies

    Lights, camera, silence on the set
    Tape rolling, 3-2-1-action
    Welcome to the church of Suicidal
    We’ll have a service and wonderful recital
    But before we go on, there’s something I must mention
    An important message I must bring to your attention
    I was in meditation and prayer last night
    I was awakened by a shining bright light
    Over head, a glorious spirit
    He gave me a message and you all need to hear it
    “Send me your money”, that’s what he said
    He said to “Send me your money”
    Now if you can only send a dollar or two
    There aint a hell of a lot I can do for you
    But, if you want to see heaven’s door
    Make a check out for five hundred or more
    “Send me your money”, do you here what I’m saying?
    “Send me your money”

    Now give me some bass, um yea that’s how he likes it
    Now give me some silence, for all you sinners
    Now give me some bass, yea that was funky
    Now take them on home Brother Clark, send me your …money
    Here comes another con hiding behind a collar
    His only god is the almighty dollar
    He aint no prophet, he aint no healer
    He’s just a two bit goddamn money stealer
    Send me your money
    Send it, you got to send it
    Send me your money
    You hear what I’m saying?
    Send it, send it
    Send me your money
    Now how much you give is your own choice
    But to me it’s the difference between a prosche and a Rolls
    Royce
    I want you to make it hurt when you dig into your pocket
    I want you to make it hurt!
    We’ll take cash, we’ll take checks
    We’ll take credit cards, we’ll take jewelry
    We’ll take your momma’s dentures if they got gold in them
    So whose gonna be the next king of the fakers
    Whose gonna take the place of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker?
    See my momma, she didn’t raise no fool
    Cause you can’t put a price on a miracle
    Amen


  180. dantheman says:

    “Liberals ARE the most intolerant, narrow minded, full of bigotry against Christianity human beings that have ever walked this Earth.”
    valiantthehater

    Wait isn’t that the conservative agenda you’re referring to? You must have gotten your wires crossed again and confused conservative with liberal. It happens, mostly to ignorant folk, but it happens.

    As a progressive, the only things I’m intolerant about are intolerance, hate, needless death, suffering, corruption, and ignorance. Though I dislike you tremendously and have no respect for your points of view, I tolerate even the likes of you.


  181. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    #109, well said valiant. It’s amazing how much evil some of you regularly spew, yet rant and rave against others (like Rev. Falwell), claiming that *they* spew evil. Comment by Dale — May 15, 2007 @ 2:13 pm

    Let see. Falwell, and you constantly preach hate, bigotry and your right to oppress others for *your* interpretation of Christianity. When we point out that you’re being hateful, and st*pid, then we’re hateful?

    BAHAHA, you’re such a st*pid child… You just want to feel *justified* in your own hatred, so when people point out to you your own bad behavior, you blame it on us. Pure projection from you child – just like *ALL* of you Hypocritical Cons.


  182. Juan C says:

    Juan – Since I suspect you believe in nothing Godly, you’ve earned nothing? Tooo sad! Comment by valiant venus

    mmm…what? OK, yeah, sure. Be happy.


  183. owlbear1 says:

    Oh no here we go NOT living up to Conservatives’ Definitions…

    OH WOE!!

    Jerry Falwell was a PARASITE who manipulated peoples’ faith to make himself a millionaire.


  184. michael says:

    “Pure projection michael. The hate is all about you, isn’t it coward?

    Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007″

    Thanks for confirming my comment!


  185. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Yes he will. He’s currently in Abraham’s bossom awaiting judgement day. God will open up the gates, which are made of pearls, and he walk on the streets that are made of gold. God will tell Rev. Jerry, “Well done my good and faithful servant”. GLORY BE TO GOD!!!!!
    Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:13 pm

    Abraham Genocided the people of Palestine and stole their lands. If you think that’s the sort of Behavior your *god* rewards, then I’m sure Falwell is in the Bosom of his other mentor – Hitler.


  186. DRxJ says:

    Being relieved that someone is gone and celebrating his/her death are two very different things.
    Comment by erock — May 15, 2007 @ 2:07 pm

    But why can’t we celebrate death? As a human, with human emotions, I’m saddened by someone’s passing, but as a Christian believer, and assuming Heaven is the equivalent of an eternal Disney World for adults, I, for one, am joyeus for said soul.

    I, for one, was disgusted by many of his remarks, including the 9/11 analogy, but as a Christian, I forgave (PAY ATTENTION St. Daryll), and as we have many namejackers and side trackers (posers) out in full force today, I just want to re-emphasize:
    Pray for his family and friends in their time of sadness.
    and while you (we?) are praying, let’s never, ever, forget the familes of the deceased soldiers, and the families of the innocent Iraqi civilians killed, for an unjust war.


  187. Shane says:

    Well I guess he didn’t last long enough to see the Rapture. Other Evangelicals might be wise to not put all their eggs into that basket.

    And as far as progressives looking bad, if there is one thing we should learn from Bush, Gonzales, Wolfowitz, etal., there’s no such thing as LOOKING BAD anymore. As long as you get what you want, just do it.


  188. Zimzone says:

    Falwell was to religion what Tom DeLay was to politics.


  189. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    He won’t be judged until Judgement Day. God will accept Jerry, but what about you? Have you followed Acts 2:38, as well? Do you want to go to hell, which is consisted of fire and brimstone?
    Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:16 pm

    That’s a st*pid comment. How will he accept someone that isn’t being judged? Your own silly little book says that he’ll remain in the dirt until judgment day. Why do you lie about Christianity so much Daryll? Is it your own self loathing for being gay?


  190. Jeffrey Stewart says:

    God obviously wanted him dead.



  191. erock says:

    I’m done posting about Rev. Falwell.

    Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 15, 2007 @ 2:14 pm

    I mostly agree with you CB. I too disagree strongly with reverend Falwell’s stance on nearly everything. But his death (as with most deaths) doesn’t really hurt him, it only hurts his family and loved ones. Cheering it only mocks their pain.


  192. Happy Guy says:

    I would say if you have nothing nice to say . . .

    But since you already have shown you true colors I don’t see why I should hold back.

    May you disgusting creatures who use this site to make fun of a religious man’s death (while protecting terrorists, hating America and spitting on our troops) all rot in Hell.


  193. Paul in LA says:

    Personally, I hope he fell on his pudgy hand and put his eyes out.

    Reliable rumors say that when he hit the ground, a black snake came out of his mouth.

    Head demon George Bush, on hearing the news, continued reading ‘My Pet Goat,’ though observers say he drooled blood.


  194. Evil Spaniard says:

    I only want that, if the christian heaven exists, Falwell finds at its door the souls of the many innocents deads that he has helped to create, specially in the Iraq war, and get his soul’s ass kicked directly where it belongs, with Saint Peter’s blessings.


  195. doro says:

    # 171
    Daryll,

    hit a nerve?


  196. Juan C says:

    “Liberals ARE the most intolerant, narrow minded, full of bigotry against Christianity human beings that have ever walked this Earth.”
    valiantthehater

    Psst. Middle Ages. Check it out.


  197. Larry from C says:

    “You’ve got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops and I am for the President—chase them all over the world, if it takes ten years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord.

    -Jerry Falwell Debate with Jesse Jackson (24 October 2004)


  198. Larry from C says:

    “The idea that religion and politics don’t mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.”

    -Jerry Falwell (Sermon, July 4, 1976)


  199. Shane says:

    How pitiful – but not surprising……

    Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 1:59 pm

    Maybe you should read some of your hate-filled typing before you post it then. You are the most hateful troll on the site, attacking progressives at every turn. What a hypocritical, lying piece of scum. Take your indignation somewhere else.


  200. barfly says:

    well said valiant. It’s amazing how much evil some of you regularly spew, yet rant and rave against others (like Rev. Falwell), claiming that *they* spew evil.

    Comment by Dale

    She lied, and you said “well said;” that tells me your own moral standards are loopy. And you’re ragging on us? Loopy.


  201. Larry from C says:

    “I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won’t have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!”

    - Jerry Falwell (America Can Be Saved!, Sword of the Lord Publishers, Murfreesboro, Tenn. 1979, p. 52-53.)


  202. Bluedog49 says:

    In my opinion, it’s unseemly and cruel to celebrate someone’s death. After all, the guy had a family. But, if his followers really are true believers, they should be happy. I can’t, however, mourn for a man who was the first to publically blame Americans for the attack on 9-11. Falwell rushed to the microphone in the days following the tragedy and instead of laying blame where it was deserved – on the fundamentalist fanatics who perpetrated the act – he blamed liberals and “secularists” for the tragedy. That was one of his most dispicable public acts and that is what I will always remember about him.


  203. Even-Stephen says:

    Like it needs to be said again, but it’s not exclusively people on any side that are posting unsuitable comments.


  204. Zep Tepi says:

    “Liberals ARE the most intolerant, narrow minded, full of bigotry against Christianity human beings that have ever walked this Earth.”
    valiantthehater

    So why don’t I type such vitriolic, group paint, statements when you do? Maybe it’s cause you have just show the narrowness of your own view which is quite narrower than mine?


  205. DRxJ says:

    all rot in Hell.

    Comment by Happy Dude — May 15, 2007 @ 2:20 pm

    I forgive you of your false prophesizing ways, your hatred toward others, and your God complex to judge and condemn


  206. Wilco says:

    Registration is bogus!
    Free speech for all!
    I thought people were liberals, here!


  207. RandyBastard says:

    I wonder if Fred Phelps will be picketing the funeral?
    .


  208. barfly says:

    Still waiting, Valiant turdbucket. Where is the post that wished Falwell’s family ill? Lie much?


  209. John says:

    just heard,….. soooo what beach did he wash up on? …and any chance others in his pod will follow?


  210. Can-O-Whoop-Ass says:

    Happy Guy,

    I’d gladly spit on you..

    We’re taking back America from you Christ-Nazi’s

    God just helped us today!!!

    One less false profit, I mean prophet.


  211. dave says:

    Will he stand neckdeep in steaming dogshit for eternity?

    Or hang upsidedown in Oktoberfest vomit until the end of time?

    Oooooh – I can’t decide!


  212. Paul in LA says:

    “if you have nothing nice to say…you may be Jerry Fallwell.”

    ESPECIALLY if you hate Jesus enough to pray in public for money.


  213. Juan C says:

    Do you want to go to hell, which is consisted of fire and brimstone?
    Comment by Daryll

    How do you know this? The last scientific expedition to that place came up with … nothing becuz there is no such place? Oh, Im sorry. ValianttheHater is convinced that there is Hell. Oh, ok. My bad.


  214. Bluedog49 says:

    Happy Guy: “May you disgusting creatures who use this site to make fun of a religious man’s death (while protecting terrorists, hating America and spitting on our troops) all rot in Hell.”

    Good job, bibleboy. That statement is a perfect tribute to Jerry Falwell. It captures very nicely the jist of his rhetoric.


  215. Zep Tepi says:

    May you disgusting creatures who use this site to make fun of a religious man’s death (while protecting terrorists, hating America and spitting on our troops) all rot in Hell.

    Comment by Happy Guy

    Another narrowist assuming his narrowism is not as narrow as anothers.


  216. JC Owens says:

    Unfortunately, for every one of these christofacist that pass on, there are 10 drooling godbags ready to take his place. Oh well.


  217. squegeebooo says:

    Now this is something even I can celebrate, I’ll be raising my IPA to toast Satan on his new soul tonight.


  218. Kay says:

    One less photo-op for McJowls on the campaign trail… sob. weep. sob.


  219. ES says:

    I don’t care of it’s tacky…good riddance


  220. valiant venus says:

    ZT – “Just stop “what ? Do you think trolls are writing hateful posts to make the left look bad? You wish! Many Progs demonstrate their intolerance here daily – but this news allows gleeful intolerance.

    “Just stop”…..what? Pointing to the embarrassment this thread brings to “Progressive Politics”? That’s rich…..

    ’til later


  221. bfaul says:

    I really believe people like Pat Robertson, James Dobson, and groups like Focus on the Family, Moral Majority and The Christian Coalition who have tried to theocratize America, I point the finger in your face and say “YOU made this happen!”. God took him early to punish us for YOUR wickedness!


  222. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    May you disgusting creatures who use this site to make fun of a religious man’s death (while protecting terrorists, hating America and spitting on our troops) all rot in Hell. Comment by Happy Guy — May 15, 2007 @ 2:20 pm

    Falwell was a preacher of Hate, no different than the Mullahs you call for the death of in this own post. We don’t hate *America*, you do – just like Osama does. You hate our *liberal* way of life, and you’d have us all be a religious wingnut hateful totalitarian state if you had your way. Ironic you’d say we’re hateful for saying Falwell should rot in hell for his hate – while you say the same for us. Hypocrisy much – dum bass?


  223. michael says:

    “And we are supposed to believe people that started a war of aggression that has gotten untold #s of people killed? Shut up.

    Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — May 15, 2007″

    And it’s obvious by your stupid comment that you don’t have a clue why we are at war? Dope!



  224. El Tonno says:

    “I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won’t have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!”

    That works for me. Then we can all pray to the might nuclear-tipped ICBM, like in Planet of the Apes.

    And the Chinese will ship the peanuts into the Zoo.


  225. Devil's Advocate says:

    Good riddance to bad rubbish. Falwell was a vociferous bigot who was instrumental in fanning the flames of hatred towards homosexuals, women, Jews, Catholics, Muslims, etc…

    That Falwell is dead does not give him a pass nor does it make him a better man. He was a vicious hate-monger. The planet is better off without him.


  226. Shane says:

    Everyone with an IQ over 100 knows that Liberals are intolerant, narrow minded, and bigots.

    pathetic and sad that you would wish harm on another human being. Completly pathetic!

    Comment by Valiantthehater — May 15, 2007 @ 2:07 pm

    Next to irony in the dictionary they should put your obscenities.


  227. Juan C says:

    So why don’t I type such vitriolic, group paint, statements when you do?
    Comment by Zep Tepi

    Dont forget the satisfying, not forced laguhter: hahahahahahaha!!!

    You know, like real happiness.


  228. Fools on the Hill says:

    Another Bushie bites the dirt, so to speak, if you will.


  229. ::: says:

    These things happen in 3’s
    - 2 More
    Robertson and Dobson

    COME ON 3!


  230. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    ZT – “Just stop “what ? Do you think trolls are writing hateful posts to make the left look bad? You wish! Many Progs demonstrate their intolerance here daily – but this news allows gleeful intolerance. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:26 pm

    No, you make yourselves look bad with your hypocrisy. Just like Happy Guy that said we should all Rot in Hell, because some liberals said that about Falwell. Where’s the hate in that st*pid c*nt? In the mirror for you?

    “Just stop”…..what? Pointing to the embarrassment this thread brings to “Progressive Politics”? That’s rich….. ’til later Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:26 pm

    Embarrassing for us? To point out Falwell was a man of hate, no different from the most hateful Mullahs? Yet you yourself defend him as a saint? How *Osama* of you – hateful c*nt.


  231. hellinabucket says:

    I won’t defend, or admonish any who voice their opinion of Mr. Falwell. I believe Larry from C is pasting the quotes that give credence to peoples disgust of the man.

    Those on the right are ignoring that and jumping on the comments rather than the rationale for the comments.


  232. gorn by any other name says:

    What’s wrong with celebrating his death?

    If his beliefs were correct, he is in eternal bliss with his Heavenly Father right now. A time for celebration.

    If his beliefs were incorrect, he simply ceased existence, and a hateful person is now gone. A time for celebration.

    Either way, sympathy to his loved ones, of course. I’m not one who believes the inequities of the father should fall upon his descendants.


  233. Larry from C says:

    Jimmy Carter’s “message of peace and reconciliation under almost all circumstances is simply incompatible with Christian teachings as I interpret them. This ‘turn the other cheek’ business is all well and good but it’s not what Jesus fought and died for. What we need to do is take the battle to the Muslim heathens and do unto them before they do unto us.”

    -Jerry Falwell radio interview March 4, 2002


  234. Crump's Brother says:

    Happy Guy,

    You true colors show when you place a man on a pedestal who blames 9-11 on” pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America.” A man who openly supported an apartheid government in South Africa.

    Please.


  235. valiant venus says:

    Shane – As usual, you are wrong….I don’t hate Progressives. I despise their politics and the Progressive ideology. I don’t know you well enough (thank God!) to dislike you.

    Tooodles………


  236. El Tonno says:

    pathetic and sad that you would wish harm on another human being. Completly pathetic!

    Comment by Valiantthehater

    *Where is your God now?*


  237. TripMaster Monkey says:

    Happy Guy sez:

    May you disgusting creatures who use this site to make fun of a religious man’s death (while protecting terrorists, hating America and spitting on our troops) all rot in Hell.

    That’s hardly a Christian attitude, Happy Guy.

    Why am I completely unsurprised?


  238. michael says:

    “Another narrowist assuming his narrowism is not as narrow as anothers.

    Comment by Zep Tepi — May 15, 2007″

    Maybe you can explain it to us?


  239. Shaun says:

    His Body finally caught up…his brain has been dead for 30 years.


  240. Daryll says:

    I bind the devil that is in you. IN JESUS NAME!
    Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:07 pm

    The devil is already bound *to-you*, You hateful disgusting Jake*ss.

    Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:15

    I’ll continue to pray for you. Save your soul before it’s too late. Have you watched the Rev. John Hagee telecast?


  241. Dale says:

    Let see. Falwell, and you constantly preach hate, bigotry and your right to oppress others for *your* interpretation of Christianity. When we point out that you’re being hateful, and st*pid, then we’re hateful?

    Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:17 pm

    Care to point to any posts where I’m oppressing others for *my* interpretation of Christianity? Or are you just talking out of your a$$ again.


  242. m12 says:

    #109

    When a conservative dies, lefties say “good riddance”. Ok, fair enough, they didn’t like him.

    But when a murderer is about to be strapped to the electric chair, the lefties spring millions of dollars in his defense.

    There’s compassion for you!


  243. Wayne says:

    He won’t be judged until Judgement Day. God will accept Jerry, but what about you? Have you followed Acts 2:38, as well? Do you want to go to hell, which is consisted of fire and brimstone?

    Comment by Daryll

    Any God that accepts someone who promoted Bigotry and hatred towards others such as Falwell and you do Daryll, is the wrong God to be worshipping. The God you push is a god of hate. A God of love persecutes no one.

    Hell is going to be your own concience punnishing you for the way you treat others. Your own Hell, Daryll will be of your own making, from your own treatment of others.


  244. Yikes says:

    Oh too bad for Jerry. That’s life though! Many people don’t make it to 73 so his family should be happy they had him for that long. The rest of us, well, let me just say that he probably wasn’t surprised to find no god waiting for him because it it is very hard to be surprised when your tissues and cells don’t work anymore.

    And thus endeth a chapter in the book “How religion can make good people into fanatics.”


  245. valiant venus says:

    VVGFU – The topic is “Falwell’s DEATH – not the mullah’s or your defense of terrorists….

    Tooodles, tiny tool…….


  246. barfly says:

    ’til later

    Comment by valiant venus

    Running away because I exposed you as a liar? How predictable.


  247. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Shane – As usual, you are wrong….Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:29 pm

    As usual, you are wrong….

    I don’t hate Progressives. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:29 pm

    Sure you do – liar. You hate us, our values, and what we stand for.

    I despise their politics and the Progressive ideology. I don’t know you well enough (thank God!) to dislike you. Tooodles……… Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:29 pm

    Yet you say hateful things to us every day – so clearly either you dislike us, or you vent your *general* hatred towards us as though you do. That makes you either a liar, a hypocrite, or someone that can’t control their hatred. In either case, you defending Falwell while attacking only ISLAMIC extremism is they height of hypocrisy and st*pidity – you st*pid hate filled religious wingnut c*nt.


  248. valiant venus says:

    Wayne – Does a God of love have no rules of acceptable or moral behaviour – except those New Testament mandates from the Sermon on the Mount?? Does your God approve of hedonism and nihilism?


  249. Zep Tepi says:

    ZT – “Just stop “what ? Do you think trolls are writing hateful posts to make the left look bad? You wish! Many Progs demonstrate their intolerance here daily – but this news allows gleeful intolerance.
    Comment by valiant venus

    This coming from someone that sees argument as sport? Your idignation is false. You like this kind of stuff and I really doubt that any of what you type here is how you really feel.


  250. barfly says:

    Care to point to any posts where I’m oppressing others for *my* interpretation of Christianity? Or are you just talking out of your a$$ again.

    Comment by Dale

    And loopy Dale thinks lying makes Vermin more credible. Moral midget.


  251. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    When a conservative dies, lefties say “good riddance”. Ok, fair enough, they didn’t like him. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 2:32 pm

    So then you agree with us that Valiant Venus is a st*pid c*nt for her statements here – fair enough.

    But when a murderer is about to be strapped to the electric chair, the lefties spring millions of dollars in his defense. There’s compassion for you! Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 2:32 pm

    Do you mean like the *hundreds* of murderers that have been exonerated posthumously and proven to be innocent? Yet they were *murdered* by you foaming at the mouth rabid wingnuts? Those *murderers*? The problem *child*, is unless you *know* someone did it – you don’t have any right to murder them. It’s morally wrong you hypocritical disgusting piece of hateful sh*t.


  252. valiant venus says:

    Barfly – You could expose yourself as the poor reader you are all you want – just keep the curtains closed…..ick!!! How are things in Spring Valley??


  253. Daryll says:

    Libs, stop calling this a funeral. This will be a celebration!!! God has brought his son home.


  254. Zimzone says:

    May all the Trolls, unwanted, unfriendly, ungratified, end up in the same place as their Holy Falwell.

    Is this the rapture, or does that start after Wolfoshitz is fired?


  255. Social Sound System says:

    Can I get an AMEN in the Congregation!!!


  256. michael's luver daryll says:

    it is a sad reflection on you liberals.

    Comment by michael — May 15, 2007 @ 2:11 pm

    Care to elaborate?


  257. Spudge_Boy says:

    Is Daryll on this thread spreading religious hate in the name of Jesus?

    Friggin’ heretic.


  258. gorn by any other name says:

    When a conservative dies, lefties say “good riddance”.

    What does “conservative” have to do with anything? Are you equating Fallwell’s spew with being conservative?


  259. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    VVGFU – The topic is “Falwell’s DEATH – not the mullah’s or your defense of terrorists…. Tooodles, tiny tool……. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:34 pm

    The topic is Falwell’s DEATH – you know, the guy who’s as much a *Christian* mullah as anyone? Therefore it’s relevant, and on topic, showing you’re a *tool* a *hypocrite* and a *fool*.

    Tooodles, indeed, tiny tool…. Maybe if you ate something to overcome that Anorexia you wouldn’t be such a tiny tool? Or was that more p*n*s envy you were trying to post? st*pid c*nt, and miserable little hate child that you are?


  260. valiant venus says:

    VVGFU – I don’t hate what you “stand for” – most of you stand for nothing – except what you can pilfer from other people…Don’t flatter yourself – I feel sorry for you….nothing else.


  261. michael's luver daryll says:

    don’t hate Progressives. I despise their politics and the Progressive ideology. I don’t know you well enough (thank God!) to dislike you.

    Tooodles………

    Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:29 pm

    Care to educate all of us on your interpretation of progressive ideology


  262. Zep Tepi says:

    I don’t know you well enough (thank God!) to dislike you. Tooodles……… Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:29 pm

    But enough to break out a can of spray paint and paint everyone you cant see or know with your chosen color of bias and groupthink.

    Kresking would be proud.


  263. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Wayne – Does a God of love have no rules of acceptable or moral behaviour – except those New Testament mandates from the Sermon on the Mount?? Does your God approve of hedonism and nihilism? Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:36 pm

    You should ask Foley, and George Bush about his Cocaine snorting to see if that’s what God approves of? What’s really sad, is that in your world god disapproves of two people who *love* each other, but is for Genocide, and torture. You’re a st*pid c*nt – child.


  264. daryll's luver michael says:


    Libs, stop calling this a funeral. This will be a celebration!!! God has brought his son home.

    Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:38 pm

    Yes! Yes! It is a CELEBRATION!
    (How ’bouts we celebrate again like we did last night?!)


  265. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Barfly – You could expose yourself as the poor reader you are all you want – just keep the curtains closed…..ick!!! How are things in Spring Valley?? Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:38 pm

    Pure projection from the *wo(man)* who has p*n*s envy, and fantasizes about Genocide, Torture and murder. You’re a sick little terrorist sympathizing Nazi *gerl* – st*pid c*nt.


  266. m12 says:

    Do you mean like the *hundreds* of murderers that have been exonerated posthumously and proven to be innocent? Yet they were *murdered* by you foaming at the mouth rabid wingnuts? Those *murderers*? The problem *child*, is unless you *know* someone did it – you don’t have any right to murder them. It’s morally wrong you hypocritical disgusting piece of hateful sh*t.

    No, I mean murderers like Tookie Williams and Kaye Faye Tucker. Good riddance!


  267. barfly says:

    Barfly – You could expose yourself as the poor reader you are all you want – just keep the curtains closed…..ick!!! Comment by valiant venus

    As I thought. You lied about us wishing Falwell’s family ill. Just admit it.


  268. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    VVGFU – I don’t hate what you “stand for” – most of you stand for nothing – except what you can pilfer from other people…Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:40 pm

    See, this entire post is a hate filled smear, and indicative of exactly what I said.

    Don’t flatter yourself – I feel sorry for you….nothing else.
    Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:40 pm

    How generous of you, considering how much pity you generate from others. You really should feel sorry for yourself, there isn’t enough pity within you to cover your own needs, let alone share it with others. It’s the only time I’ve seen you be generous – you poor pathetic and st*pid little c*nt.

    Tell me, are you still feeling nostalgic for the days when you defended our *friendship*, and your *admiration* of Al Qaeda when they were fighting the godless commies? Don’t you wish you could go back to communing with your fellow Islamic wingnuts? It must have you all confused to have to fight fellow Fascists that way!


  269. Marie says:

    Was Falwell at the meeting with Bush yesterday, when they planned how they would further sell (pimp) the escalation of the war in Iraq from their pulpits?
    Spearation of church and state? Ever heard of it?
    Not those guys — they would subvert it — a tenet of our Constitution.


  270. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    No, I mean murderers like Tookie Williams and Kaye Faye Tucker. Good riddance! Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 2:43 pm

    So you’re OK with murdering innocent people, as long as you get a couple that you’re *sure* were murderers? How are you so sure? Innocent people have in fact been exonerated after confessing to crimes? So sure that you have a *right* to murder others? When are you joining Osama – you have *so-much* in common with him!


  271. Bluedog49 says:

    Falwell’s lowest moment as a “blame America first” American: “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped [9/11] happen.’”

                                – Jerry Falwell, September 13, 2001, on The 700 Club

    I’m sure one of you born-agains can think of some of his accomplishments.


  272. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Libs, stop calling this a funeral. This will be a celebration!!! God has brought his son home. Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:38 pm

    You people are so schizoid! Your fellow wingnuts told us not to celebrate his death – and here you are encouraging us to be happy that the old hateful b*st*rd is dead. Which is it – child?


  273. Sue says:

    Cool news. Why do I feel that the world is a slightly better place for just this instant?


  274. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    I’m sure one of you born-agains can think of some of his accomplishments. Comment by Bluedog49 — May 15, 2007 @ 2:47 pm

    That’s like valiant venus saying that we’re *hate-america* and *blame-america-first*, only for *her* to post that she didn’t agree with hardly anything America or the government did! These wingnuts are such a lunatic fringe bunch of fools.


  275. Yikes says:

    ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus, you are on a roll!


  276. Gerald Gibson Jr says:

    So many Americans that are rightwing nuts are the way they are because of the teachings of Jerry Falwell… they dont believe in the ideals of Jesus nor the U.S. Constitution because of JERRY FALWELL… He HARMED America and Americans.


  277. Dale says:

    And loopy Dale thinks lying makes Vermin more credible. Moral midget.

    Comment by barfly — May 15, 2007 @ 2:38 pm

    Yet neither you (nor anyone else) has shown any post where I’m ‘oppressing others for *my* interpretation of Christianity? ‘ Whatsamatter, can’t accept the challenge? Keep spouting your nonsense barfly.


  278. Bluedog49 says:

    m12: “No, I mean murderers like Tookie Williams and Kaye Faye Tucker. Good riddance!”

    Hmmm. I thought you christians believed in “redemption.” Karla Faye Tucker was a born-again christian who “found god” and repented for her sins. Why would a good christian say “Good riddance” about her? Please explain, m12.

    As far as Tookie was concerned, there was a great deal of testimony about how he may have been innocent of the crime for which he was executed. And, since every time we look at death row inmates with DNA, we find some who have been wrongly convicted, I wouldn’t be too sure Tookie was guilty.


  279. radical1a says:

    Lets hear a little more hatred for Falwell your Liberal god is listening


  280. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    So valiant venus must agree with Falwell, that the reason we were attacked on 9-11 is because we’re a sinful nation and god punished us? Just more “blame-america-first” wingnut hypocrisy.


  281. John says:

    Maybe Jerry will be reincarnated as a cockroach, sorry about that cockroaches.


  282. Zooey says:

    #265 — Bluedog49

    That’s what I’ll remember most about Falwell.

    My condolences to his family.


  283. Juan C says:

    These wingnuts are such a lunatic fringe bunch of fools.
    Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus

    Ya think?

    Does a God of love have no rules of acceptable or moral behaviour – except those New Testament mandates from the Sermon on the Mount?? Does your God approve of hedonism and nihilism? Comment by valiant venus

    American Wahabbism.


  284. TerrytheTurtle says:

    “If you’re not a born-again Christian, you’re a failure as a human being.”

    Jerry Falwell


  285. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Yet neither you (nor anyone else) has shown any post where I’m ‘oppressing others for *my* interpretation of Christianity? ‘ Whatsamatter, can’t accept the challenge? Keep spouting your nonsense barfly. Comment by Dale — May 15, 2007 @ 2:52 pm

    So you’re for Gay Marriage and Abortion and abolition of the death penalty? Because other religious groups are.

    Come on, can’t accept my challenge? Why do you want to oppress others Dale – did Roy make you that way?


  286. Gerald Gibson Jr says:

    So valiant venus must agree with Falwell, that the reason we were attacked on 9-11 is because we’re a sinful nation and god punished us? Just more “blame-america-first” wingnut hypocrisy.

    Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus

    More like American Talibanism. Who is the greatest threat to our U.S. Constitution? The Islam Taliban on the otherside of the planet or the American Taliban in Washington D.C. and around this country?


  287. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Lets hear a little more hatred for Falwell your Liberal god is listening Comment by radical1a — May 15, 2007 @ 2:53 pm

    Well according to Falwell, God punished us for being liberal – so then spewing hate should get us to Heaven according to him. What do you think?


  288. gummitch says:

    Maybe you should read some of your hate-filled typing before you post it then. You are the most hateful troll on the site, attacking progressives at every turn. What a hypocritical, lying piece of scum. Take your indignation somewhere else.

    Comment by Shane

    Thanks. Couldn’t have put it better myself. The irony of someone whose every post drips with venom accusing all but “a few honorable liberals” of being filled with hate isn’t good, funny irony. It’s creepy.


  289. Prof. Mark Colby says:

    Everyone,

    A few thoughtless people (Valiant Venus among others) think that the scattered gleeful comments about Falwell’s death posted here somehow invalidate liberalism. This is a logical fallacy (the ad hominem fallacy). It is akin to treating the Crusades or Inquisition as evidence of the immorality of Christianity, Pol Pot as evidence of the immorality of Communism, or the behavior of Tom Cruise as evidence of the falsity of Scientology. Anyone who has had a course in critical thinking in college should have learned this.

    It’s certainly human nature when some individuals, on the left or right, rejoice in the suffering or death of individuals who accept opposing belief systems. The occasional comments here show only one thing, which no one ever doubted or could possibly doubt: that the individuals who read and post on TP are imperfect human beings, not perfect deities. The only way anyone can ever show the defects of liberalism–or conservatism, Christianity, communism, Confucianism, etc.–is to show the defects of the belief system. Pointing out the defects of the individuals who accept the belief system (an easy task for anyone with a high school education) is nothing but the ad hominem fallacy. But some critics of liberalism (Valiant Venus, among others) seem to be intellectually or morally incapable of learning this. Or perhaps it’s just a reflection of their poor education.

    One could turn the tables on Valiant Venus and all like her, as follows. Your comments here against liberals show your own personal defects (in this case, the list might include a lack of critical thinking skills, poor education, poor moral character, and intellectual limitations). Should we liberals take your personal defects as evidence for the defects of conservatism? Unless you are a hypocrite (or, again, intellectually challenged), the answer cannot be no in this case but yes in the case of a few gleeful posts about Falwell as evidence of defects of liberalism.

    The only logically and morally correct response is to feel sadness that a fellow human being has died. (This is the only correct spiritual response too.) But this feeling of sadness for the man Falwell is entirely compatible with a feeling of vast relief that the public figure Falwell, an enemy of enlightenment, civilization, reason, tolerance, and civic well-being is no longer with us to inflict further damage to the American body politic. Falwell, like many trolls here, was unable to acknowledge and obey the rules of civilized conduct, such as to exhibit intellectual and moral integrity, especially with opponents. His failure is an object lesson.


  290. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Does a God of love have no rules of acceptable or moral behaviour – except those New Testament mandates from the Sermon on the Mount?? Does your God approve of hedonism and nihilism? Comment by valiant venus
    American Wahabbism.
    Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 2:54 pm

    Amen. Another sermon by Osama Bin Venus…


  291. satnin says:

    -the Johnny Appleseed of Christofascism in Amerika, good night chubby Biblethumper


  292. Dale says:

    So you’re for Gay Marriage and Abortion and abolition of the death penalty? Because other religious groups are.

    Come on, can’t accept my challenge? Why do you want to oppress others Dale – did Roy make you that way?

    So if I’m for or against a particular position, it’s because I identify with a certain group? What if I’m for one position and against another? Please show any posts from me that identify with one particular religious group. Project much?


  293. m12 says:

    #272

    I am not a Christian.


  294. Juan C says:

    I am not a Christian.
    Comment by m12

    No, you are just stupid.


  295. just me says:

    why snark this? it just makes ‘us’ look bad.
    Comment by mw — May 15, 2007 @ 1:38 pm

    You don’t really think that matters to the libs here, do you?
    ——–

    A God of love persecutes no one.
    Comment by Wayne — May 15, 2007 @ 2:33 pm

    Exactly. We all make our own choices, so we have only ourselves to blame for where we end up, not God.
    ——–

    “May all the Trolls, unwanted, unfriendly, ungratified, end up in the same place as their Holy Falwell.”

    All Christians will end up where Falwell is. Are you a little pissed that he is Heaven and you are still stuck here?
    ——–

    “Is this the rapture, or does that start after Wolfowitz is fired?”
    Comment by Zimzone — May 15, 2007 @ 2:38 pm

    Don’t worry, when you the rapture occurs you will quickly realize it. You won’t need to ask.


  296. radical1a says:

    Gerald Gibson Jr when was the last time that you defended the bill of rights , namely the first and second amendment . ie. a conservatives right to free speech , they are shouted down and run off campuses . liberal speech is the only one allowed on campus . If There was No Second Amendment there would be no other rights .
    I am also getting tired of hearing Liberals call Conservatives Nazis , if they were Liberals would be Soap and Lampshades.


  297. m12 says:

    #289

    Good one! A 3 year old might be able to come up with something better.

    Why can’t Falwell take a few leftwinged zealots with him?


  298. Zooey says:

    #284 – Thanks, Professor Colby. Well said, as always.


  299. Juan C says:

    Are you a little pissed that he is Heaven and you are still stuck here?
    Comment by just me

    More American Wahabbism. Spare us the Heaven/Hell fairy tales.


  300. Quadrajet says:

    I bind the devil that is in you. IN JESUS NAME!
    Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:07 pm

    It’s interesting that Daryll is here, he usually only shows up when the subject is a gay person………hmmmmmmm


  301. monkeyboy says:

    #284

    Thank you for so eloquently expressing my own feelings, you hit the nail on the head!


  302. Spudge_Boy says:

    #272

    I am not a Christian.

    Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:00 pm

    This friggin’ retard will tell you he isn’t a republican either.


  303. gorn by any other name says:

    “All Christians will end up where Falwell is.”

    Compost?


  304. not impressed with the U.S. says:

    Right or left winger, you should not wish death or bad things on anyone.

    Comment by Valiantthehater

    Said the neo-con bootlicker who supports the Chimp killing innocent Iraqis everyday!!!!!


  305. Juan C says:

    Good one! A 3 year old might be able to come up with something better.
    Comment by m12

    Anyone advocating nuclear attacks is stupid. Deal with it.


  306. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    So if I’m for or against a particular position, it’s because I identify with a certain group? What if I’m for one position and against another? Please show any posts from me that identify with one particular religious group. Project much? Comment by Dale — May 15, 2007 @ 3:00 pm

    The problem isn’t that you are *for* a position, it’s that you’re such a st*pid bigot that you believe you have a right to *force* others to comply with your position. You’re a religious wingnut – and I’m still waiting for you to demonstrate that you aren’t a religious bigot – so far *all* of your posts show that you are.

    So the question is, do you believe you have a right to *force* others to comply with your positions on abortion, gay marriage and the death penalty – even though they disagree with you?

    Don’t worry child, we all know the answer.

    As for what *religion* you are – it’s a very safe bet you’re either an *evangelical* or that rarest of species the *wingnut-jew* (or both like Osama Bin Venus) – as those groups are the ones that sponsor the NeoCons.


  307. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    It’s interesting that Daryll is here, he usually only shows up when the subject is a gay person………hmmmmmmm
    Comment by Quadrajet — May 15, 2007 @ 3:06 pm

    Don’t forget that *bondage* themes tend to shoot out of the poor lost child.


  308. Zooey says:

    I bind the devil that is in you. IN JESUS NAME!
    Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:07 pm

    It’s interesting that Daryll is here, he usually only shows up when the subject is a gay person………hmmmmmmm
    Comment by Quadrajet

    Daryll can’t bind “the devil” within anyone without binding “the devil” within himself. I hope he’s prepared for that….


  309. Juan C says:

    Compost?
    Comment by gorn by any other name

    Im laughing so hard here at the lab.


  310. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Good one! A 3 year old might be able to come up with something better.
    Why can’t Falwell take a few leftwinged zealots with him?
    Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:06 pm

    Leftwing zealots? What you mean the LaRouche people?

    You wingnuts spend 400 million a year, as you have for the last 30 years, to *brand* liberalism as bad. Most Americans hold liberal values, but few identify as liberals. The sad party for you is that America is basically split 60-40, and you’re on the 40 side, thanks to your wingnut polarizing efforts. Get ready for 2008 – loser!


  311. ggibson says:

    Gerald Gibson Jr when was the last time that you defended the bill of rights , namely the first and second amendment . ie. a conservatives right to free speech , they are shouted down and run off campuses . liberal speech is the only one allowed on campus . If There was No Second Amendment there would be no other rights .
    I am also getting tired of hearing Liberals call Conservatives Nazis , if they were Liberals would be Soap and Lampshades.

    Comment by radical1a

    All you have to do is ask those other regulars on this site… they know I DO defend the right to bear arms BECAUSE of run away governments like this bush administration… lefties go too far in thinking guns are the root of all evil… I ALSO defend the right of christians to talk about Jesus … I know what you mean… I was a christian growing up and was shuned as a dork… but that was because I WAS a dork… I followed the churches teaching and acted like Jesus had to be brought up in EVERY situation like a brain washed robot… The christians that act that way bring it on themselves they DONT get bombed like abortion doctors do … they DONT get burned at the stake like pagans did… they just get shuned… if you dont like it then stop acting like dorks… RELIGION does not apply in ALL situations….


  312. Kiki says:

    How sad for his family and friends and shocking for the rest of us.

    Thank God it happened after my recent family get-together, the fundies would have driven me nuts. They still haven’t forgiven me for the “The Moral Majority is Neither” bumper sticker on my car.

    I wonder what kind of sappy-out-of-touch-with-reality statement Bush will make.


  313. Dale says:

    you believe you have a right to *force* others to comply with your position. You’re a religious wingnut – and I’m still waiting for you to demonstrate that you aren’t a religious bigot – so far *all* of your posts show that you are.

    Oh, that’s it, so you make any inane comment you want, then expect me to *prove* otherwise? No thanks… I’d think the onus is on *you* to prove your ‘observations’.


  314. toasterhead says:

    All Christians will end up where Falwell is. Are you a little pissed that he is Heaven and you are still stuck here?

    Comment by just me — May 15, 2007 @ 3:02 pm

    If Heaven is where bigots like Jerry Falwell and his type go, I have no intentions of going there.


  315. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Daryll can’t bind “the devil” within anyone without binding “the devil” within himself. I hope he’s prepared for that…. Comment by Zooey — May 15, 2007 @ 3:13 pm

    He’s probably never heard of the “Lucifer-Effect”, first described by the Stanford Prison Experiment.

    http://www.prisonexp.org/links.htm

    The *devil* is a psychological premise that represents the darker nature of *all* human beings. It’s a placeholder for the vile and venom that people like Osama Bin Venus thinks is *good* values.


  316. Tom3 says:

    If there is a Hell, Jerry Falwell is barbecuing slowly there.

    With an apple in his mouth. Oink! Oink!


  317. Quadrajet says:

    Daryll can’t bind “the devil” within anyone without binding “the devil” within himself. I hope he’s prepared for that….
    Comment by Zooey — May 15, 2007 @ 3:13 pm

    I wonder if he’s using cheese, I’ve heard that’s binding……


  318. Tom3 says:

    The reich wingnuts spend $400 million a year just to demonize Librrruls??

    Wow, I didn’t know we were that much of a threat to them. LOL!!


  319. Paul in LA says:

    “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” (Mat 7:15)

    “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Mat 7:20)

    “It is the responsibility of…every evangelical Christian
    …to get serious about re-electing President Bush.”

    Jerry Falwell, The New York Times, July 16, 2004

    Because he’s done such a good job, donchaknow.


  320. Tom3 says:

    Jerry Falwell will have trouble mouldering in his grave.

    The worms and maggots won’t have him.


  321. Yenta says:

    I wonder if he’s using cheese, I’ve heard that’s binding……
    Comment by Quadrajet — May 15, 2007 @ 3:19 pm

    Heh. It would be more interesting with cheese, not to mention delicious. :-D


  322. m12 says:

    #305

    Hardly. America has not wanted anything to do with liberalism since the 60s, and they aren’t changing now.

    2008 will come. I still got some vintage stuff to drink from 1994!


  323. Zooey says:

    Oops, I shouldn’t be Yenta on the Falwell thread. :P


  324. Bob says:

    Dind dong, the witch is dead.


  325. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    I am not a Christian.
    Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:00 pm

    So, you’re a rare wingnut jew – like Osama Bin Venus? Ah, the shame of the Jews – to have NeoNazis be such high profile representatives of their people. You know, hateful, conservative wingnuts like yourself are why Churchill says that Germany hated the Jews so much they wanted to exterminate them. You do generate a lot of hate, but I blame Hitler and the Conservative Christians more than I blame enablers like you. That’s just a cop out. It’s easy to see how someone who’s naive and innocent might blame someone like you or Osama Bin Venus as *representing* Judaism though and thinking it’s an evil religion. Kind of like how people want to blame Osama Bin Laden as representing Islam.

    Amazing how some 70 years later, here you are, trying to work to a place to *genocide* Islam, just like Hitler tried to genocide Judaism. Irony indeed.


  326. Paul in LA says:

    The Deevil, mulling over what to do about Fallwell, internets over to Think Progress, and discovers…

    FONDUE!

    (’Demon with the longest stick gets the first poke.’)


  327. Mr. President says:

    Everyone,

    A few thoughtless people (Valiant Venus among others) think that the scattered gleeful comments about Falwell’s death posted here somehow invalidate liberalism. This is a logical fallacy (the ad hominem fallacy). It is akin to treating the Crusades or Inquisition as evidence of the immorality of Christianity, Pol Pot as evidence of the immorality of Communism, or the behavior of Tom Cruise as evidence of the falsity of Scientology. Anyone who has had a course in critical thinking in college should have learned this.

    It’s certainly human nature when some individuals, on the left or right, rejoice in the suffering or death of individuals who accept opposing belief systems. The occasional comments here show only one thing, which no one ever doubted or could possibly doubt: that the individuals who read and post on TP are imperfect human beings, not perfect deities. The only way anyone can ever show the defects of liberalism–or conservatism, Christianity, communism, Confucianism, etc.–is to show the defects of the belief system. Pointing out the defects of the individuals who accept the belief system (an easy task for anyone with a high school education) is nothing but the ad hominem fallacy. But some critics of liberalism (Valiant Venus, among others) seem to be intellectually or morally incapable of learning this. Or perhaps it’s just a reflection of their poor education.

    One could turn the tables on Valiant Venus and all like her, as follows. Your comments here against liberals show your own personal defects (in this case, the list might include a lack of critical thinking skills, poor education, poor moral character, and intellectual limitations). Should we liberals take your personal defects as evidence for the defects of conservatism? Unless you are a hypocrite (or, again, intellectually challenged), the answer cannot be no in this case but yes in the case of a few gleeful posts about Falwell as evidence of defects of liberalism.

    The only logically and morally correct response is to feel sadness that a fellow human being has died. (This is the only correct spiritual response too.) But this feeling of sadness for the man Falwell is entirely compatible with a feeling of vast relief that the public figure Falwell, an enemy of enlightenment, civilization, reason, tolerance, and civic well-being is no longer with us to inflict further damage to the American body politic. Falwell, like many trolls here, was unable to acknowledge and obey the rules of civilized conduct, such as to exhibit intellectual and moral integrity, especially with opponents. His failure is an object lesson.

    Comment by Prof. Mark Colby — May 15, 2007 @ 2:58 pm

    Actually Prof. what you describe is the “secundum quid” fallacy.

    Come on people, let’s get our fallacies straight.


  328. Spudge_Boy says:

    I am also getting tired of hearing Liberals call Conservatives Nazis , if they were Liberals would be Soap and Lampshades.

    They are working on it. Apparently you haven’t heard about or seen the Haliburton built interment camps yet.


  329. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    The reich wingnuts spend $400 million a year just to demonize Librrruls??
    Wow, I didn’t know we were that much of a threat to them. LOL!!
    Comment by Tom3 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:19 pm

    Yes, they’ve spent that much for the last 30 years. Guy Saperstein has a nice article on alternet that breaks it down.

    http://alternet.org/story/51840/

    All they’ve done is completely destroyed the *centrist* voters, and polarized the country. Unfortunately for them, more people disagree with Conservative values, than agree with them when it comes to public policy. They’re reaching a point where their only hope is to do what that wingnut was describing a couple of weeks ago, and overthrow the government or subvert the elections entirely if they want to hold onto power…


  330. m12 says:

    #308

    Is it really surprising to see lefties celebrating the man’s death? They made a movie about assassinating the President of the United States.

    I’m sure many on this site jerk off to the film on a frequent basis.


  331. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Hardly. America has not wanted anything to do with liberalism since the 60s, and they aren’t changing now.
    2008 will come. I still got some vintage stuff to drink from 1994!
    Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:22 pm

    Oh, dear st*pid child. Despite the 400 million a year in marketing you conservatives have done to try to convince Americans of this – over 50% of Americans lean Democratic, whereas just over 30% lean Republican.

    The demographics have completely shifted away from you, yet you’re still drinking that 400 million dollar koolaid!!! Dum bass!


  332. Paul in LA says:

    “I still got some vintage stuff to drink from 1994!” –m12

    Bragging about savoring warm piss is not going to win you any points around here.

    Why don’t you drink it out of a glass slipper, Cinderella?


  333. Spudge_Boy says:

    Hey everybody, there is a new Falwell thread for us to argue on.


  334. JTitor says:

    Comment by Prof. Mark Colby — Well said professor.


  335. ggibson says:

    Is it really surprising to see lefties celebrating the man’s death? They made a movie about assassinating the President of the United States.

    I’m sure many on this site jerk off to the film on a frequent basis.

    Comment by m12

    You are surprised because you believe people like Rush Limbaugh. Stop believing your own fantasies and you wont be surprised so often…

    It is in vain, sir, to extentuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace–but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!


  336. Bob says:

    Apologists, get real. An evil political opportunist that has caused much damage to our country is dead. This should be a national day of celebration.


  337. kasinca says:

    The world lost one of the most prominent and visible hypocrites the world has ever seen today. No gloating, just fact.


  338. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Actually Prof. what you describe is the “secundum quid” fallacy.
    Come on people, let’s get our fallacies straight.
    Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 3:25 pm

    Actually it’s a deductive fallacy in general. Aristotle called it an “unqualified generalization”, and that’s where the “secundum quid” terminology is ultimately derived from.

    But why the *pretense* of intellect? Instead use standard English and simply say.

    That’s a Gross Generalization and Misrepresentation of the situation. Or are you just trying to *pretend* to be smart in order to avoid the “fallacies” of your own posts?


  339. Hector Garcia says:

    This man was wrong about everything.Mistaken as mistaken goes.Not an example for his fellow citizens.


  340. gummitch says:

    “I still got some vintage stuff to drink from 1994!” –m12

    Bragging about savoring warm piss is not going to win you any points around here.

    Why don’t you drink it out of a glass slipper, Cinderella?

    Comment by Paul in LA

    Well, thanks for clearing that up. I was having a difficult time figuring out what “vintage stuff” from 1994 might be. I couldn’t believe that Thunderbird lasted that long.


  341. Bob says:

    “They made a movie about assassinating the President of the United States.”

    Oh do you mean our first war criminal president? George and Dick re going to off themselves before the year is up.


  342. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Is it really surprising to see lefties celebrating the man’s death? They made a movie about assassinating the President of the United States. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:27 pm

    Actually your wingnut friend Daryll was the one that suggested we *celebrate* his death.

    I’m sure many on this site jerk off to the film on a frequent basis.
    Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:27 pm

    Pure projection. Snuff films seem more to your tastes – wingnut.


  343. Buck Fush says:

    Well I guess ol’ Jer is gonna get to see the Magical Invisible Man in the Sky…oh wait he can’t, cause it is made up, a fairy tale, an old story made up by primative tribes that had about a big a grasp of reality as a Jackass.
    He is just gonna be recycled now into stardust, just hope that stardust makes a better being next time around.
    Sorry for his family, but not for him, I was hoping he would have croaked years ago.

    Hating Valiant Douche Bag Scum Sucking Subhuman Knuckle Dragging Bottomfeeder daily, oh, and the rest of you repukian scum too


  344. rfinca says:

    No comment… Good or bad.


  345. Mr. President says:

    Comment by Prof. Mark Colby — Well said professor.

    Comment by JTitor — May 15, 2007 @ 3:32 pm

    I don’t think he’s a real professor. He got his “ad hominem” and his “secundum quid” mixed up.


  346. kelso says:

    One less hatemonger in the world. God Bless.


  347. DRxJ says:

    I’m sure many on this site jerk off to the film on a frequent basis.

    Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:27 pm

    Are you implying that most of the posters here are male? Or are you just projecting your own sex life?
    Anyways, nice derailing of a Jerry Falwell is dead thread,…….fred!


  348. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    I don’t think he’s a real professor. He got his “ad hominem” and his “secundum quid” mixed up. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 3:37 pm

    Actually the professor was right, and you’re wrong. Because the post by Osama Bin Venus was a plethora of fallacies, including an Ad Hominem. But I wouldn’t expect you to notice – being a wingnut with only a *cursory* understanding of logic.


  349. Mr. President says:

    That’s a Gross Generalization and Misrepresentation of the situation. Or are you just trying to *pretend* to be smart in order to avoid the “fallacies” of your own posts?

    Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 3:34 pm

    Well no, ya see, even if we use vulgar terminology such as “hasty generalization” it is not an ad hominem. Or would you prefer me to say “argument against the man”… jackass.


  350. Jayjay says:

    Toodles and GOOD RIDDANCE!


  351. Mr. President says:

    I don’t think he’s a real professor. He got his “ad hominem” and his “secundum quid” mixed up. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 3:37 pm

    Actually the professor was right, and you’re wrong. Because the post by Osama Bin Venus was a plethora of fallacies, including an Ad Hominem. But I wouldn’t expect you to notice – being a wingnut with only a *cursory* understanding of logic.

    Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 3:40 pm

    Did I say anything about the post from Osama Bin Venus… let me check… No… Why? Because that b!tch is twitty. No, I said:

    Actually PROF. what YOU describe is the “secundum quid” fallacy.

    I didn’t say shit about your butt-buddy ObV


  352. Proud Dem says:

    It’s people like our troll, Darryl, and Rev. Falwell that have made me the staunch agnostic that I am.

    Thanks, guys. Keep up the good work.


  353. Prof. Mark Colby says:

    #323,

    Yes, it is also the fallacy of secundum quid or hasty generalization. A piece of sophistry can mask as genuine reasoning but involve multiple fallacies at once (and, for what it’s worth, there is philosophical disagreement over the fallacies themselves). But I have enough difficulty trying to teach recalcitrant people like Valiant Venus the more elementary fallacies, like the ad hominem fallacy, so I avoid more complicated evaluations and rebuttals of their mistakes in reasoning. However, if you have sufficient mastery of informal logic to do this, I welcome an alliance against sophistry and illogic everywhere.


  354. m12 says:

    #337

    It wasn’t the wingnuts (who support the President) who made a movie about shooting him.

    Nope, it was the violent radical left.


  355. Crump's Brother says:

    m12

    “I’m sure many on this site jerk off to the film on a frequent basis.”

    Nice!!

    I’m sure many on your side of the political arena jack off to Falwell’s “The Clinton Chronicles” as well eh?


  356. TerrytheTurtle says:

    m12, if you are male and Jewish, old Jerry had you on the shortlist:

    http://www.slate.com/id/45483/


  357. m12 says:

    #342

    I’m not implying anything, other than the fact that moonbats are a bloodthirsty bunch.

    Not surpring. You’ve been out of power for years!


  358. not impressed with the U.S. says:

    may you all rot in Hell.

    Comment by Happy Guy

    Sorry, I don’t believe in Hell. It hard to be afraid of something that I believe does not exist. So there!!!!!


  359. Mr. President says:

    #323,

    Yes, it is also the fallacy of secundum quid or hasty generalization. A piece of sophistry can mask as genuine reasoning but involve multiple fallacies at once (and, for what it’s worth, there is philosophical disagreement over the fallacies themselves). But I have enough difficulty trying to teach recalcitrant people like Valiant Venus the more elementary fallacies, like the ad hominem fallacy, so I avoid more complicated evaluations and rebuttals of their mistakes in reasoning. However, if you have sufficient mastery of informal logic to do this, I welcome an alliance against sophistry and illogic everywhere.

    Comment by Prof. Mark Colby — May 15, 2007 @ 3:43 pm

    Very true, many times fallacious arguments overlap. I do see your point, Okay, we will start with the basics, Professor.


  360. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Did I say anything about the post from Osama Bin Venus… let me check… No… Why? Because that b!tch is twitty. No, I said:
    Actually PROF. what YOU describe is the “secundum quid” fallacy.
    I didn’t say shit about your butt-buddy ObV
    Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 3:42 pm

    Ironic, this post from you uses the same diction, grammar and writing style as Osama Bin Venus does. Even more ironic, is that you’re too st*pid to know that the PROF.’s post that you criticized was a critique of the post from Osama Bin Venus.

    And I corrected you, because your statement implies that the post by Mizzz Venus was ONLY a “secundum quid”, and I’m correcting you. While you could argue that the post is a representation of “secundum quid”, it is also an Ad Hominem, as it’s based on prejudice against liberals.

    So once again, stop pretending to be *smart* Venus, because you aren’t.


  361. m12 says:

    #349

    Not especially. I didn’t hate Bill Clinton. He had enough dignity not to toe the homosexual agenda.

    And even if you didn’t like the Chronicles, well, at least Clinton wasn’t shot in them.


  362. ggibson says:

    It wasn’t the wingnuts (who support the President) who made a movie about shooting him.

    Nope, it was the violent radical left.

    Comment by m12

    Wasnt it a british filM?


  363. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    It wasn’t the wingnuts (who support the President) who made a movie about shooting him. Nope, it was the violent radical left. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:44 pm

    No, you wingnuts made a SNUFF movie, showing the torture and murder of Jesus. What’s your point – hypocritical wingnut?


  364. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    I’m not implying anything, other than the fact that moonbats are a bloodthirsty bunch. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:47 pm

    Pure projection, from the wingnut that jakes off to snuff films…

    Not surpring. You’ve been out of power for years!
    Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:47 pm

    Actually we’re *in* power (congress right now), and we held the presidency a mere 6 years ago. It’s you who *fear* being out of power for years – as you should – wingnut.


  365. SKdeA says:

    Hell is an invention to keep simple minds inline, looks like it works on Happy Guy.


  366. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Not especially. I didn’t hate Bill Clinton. He had enough dignity not to toe the homosexual agenda. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:50 pm

    Ah, another self loathing homosexual jewish man – how sad for you!

    And even if you didn’t like the Chronicles, well, at least Clinton wasn’t shot in them. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:50 pm

    No, but that’s what you were hoping for – right wingnut?


  367. just me says:

    Im laughing so hard here at the lab.
    Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 3:14 pm

    You’ll be needing that sense of humor. :)


  368. m12 says:

    Wasnt it a british filM?

    Yep, made by your counterparts across the Atlantic. They have their share of moonbats as well.


  369. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Very true, many times fallacious arguments overlap. I do see your point, Okay, we will start with the basics, Professor. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 3:48 pm

    Go learn them first – idiot.


  370. Mr. President says:

    I corrected you, because your statement implies that the post by Mizzz Venus was ONLY a “secundum quid”, and I’m correcting you.

    You must have not have understood, what I said was:

    Actually Prof. what you describe is the “secundum quid” fallacy.

    I said this based on what I read in his post. Did you read his post? Because therein you will find a description of the secundum quid fallacy labeled as an ad hominem.


  371. m12 says:

    #357

    Mel Gibson is one of your ilk. He doesn’t like the President.


  372. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Wasnt it a british filM?
    Comment by ggibson — May 15, 2007 @ 3:50 pm

    Hehe, yes it was. But that sort of *reality* doesn’t sit well with the wingnuts that *hate* how reality has a *librul* bias!! ;)


  373. JTitor says:

    For some of you to slam Christianity for how people misuse it, isn’t right. It isn’t the message; maybe it’s the messenger. Christianity has been used by politicians to distort and manipulate people to advance a particular end since BC. We all have morals because of what is right and correct. These morals are based on faith that there is something more to this existence. If we all believed that there was nothing that guides society to be moral and law abiding, then we would have a constant chaos…. anarchy. Those that do not believe in a God, because you can’t see it, or it doesn’t talk to you, doesn’t mean that there isn’t more that we don’t understand.


  374. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Oh and m12, and the rest of you wingnuts that kept posting your b*llsh*t links on the *polls* about congress. Eat this – *ssh*les.

    Congress Job Ratings:

    Democrats: 35% Good, 50% Fair/Poor

    Repukes: 22% Good, 74% Fair/Poor

    Do you think it is good for the country the Democrats are in charge?

    51% Good, 37% Bad, 9% Neither, 3% Unsure

    Pollingreport.com


  375. m12 says:

    #360

    I don’t hope for any President to be shot. Your side does. You made a movie about it.


  376. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    I said this based on what I read in his post. Did you read his post? Because therein you will find a description of the secundum quid fallacy labeled as an ad hominem. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 3:54 pm

    And that’s where you’re wrong, because the post is *both* an Ad Hominem and “Secundum quid”. You said the Prof. was wrong, and it fact it is *you* that’s wrong, as your fallacy is itself a “secundum quid”, which is that you’ve generalized the post as a specific point, and oversimplified the analysis. Ironic eh?


  377. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    I don’t hope for any President to be shot. Your side does. You made a movie about it. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:56 pm

    We made the movie? BAHAHAHAHA, the *movie* was made in England – *we* had nothing to do with it – you st*pid lying Jake*ss.


  378. ggibson says:

    You’ll be needing that sense of humor. :)

    Comment by just me

    All religious fairy tales have been wrong and always will be. Belief doesnt make something true… otherwise I would believe I am riding on the back of a dragon right now…


  379. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Mel Gibson is one of your ilk. He doesn’t like the President.
    Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:55 pm

    Mel Gibson is a Conservative Catholic that hates liberals, you moronic piece of filth.


  380. Juan C says:

    You’ll be needing that sense of humor. :)
    Comment by just me

    Dont worry about me, Allighieri.


  381. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Yep, made by your counterparts across the Atlantic. They have their share of moonbats as well. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:53 pm

    What do people in foreign countries, have to do with us? So if a Conservative in say Poland talks about how the world should murder all Homosexuals and liberals – then they represent you and your personal point of view? BAHAHAHA, you’re such a st*pid little twit.


  382. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    I don’t hope for any President to be shot. Your side does. You made a movie about it.Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:56 pm

    Murdering people is more your speed. We just want him impeached, and sent to jail…


  383. ggibson says:

    I don’t hope for any President to be shot. Your side does. You made a movie about it.

    Comment by m12

    You can keep saying that… it wont make it any more real than your religion. The guy who made it specifically said he wasnt out to trash bush and made the point that he didnt make bush look bad in the movie…


  384. Zooey says:

    Not especially. I didn’t hate Bill Clinton. He had enough dignity not to toe the homosexual agenda.
    Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:50 pm

    Is that anything like The Liberal Agenda?


  385. kelso says:

    Why do any of you people respond to a nitwit like M12?


  386. just me says:

    More American Wahabbism.
    Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 3:06 pm

    That the best you got? Don’t be foolish.


  387. ggibson says:

    For some of you to slam Christianity for how people misuse it
    Comment by JTitor

    Christians brought it on themselves… if people didnt have witch burnings… crusades… iron maidens…. nazis… jerry falwell to point to they would have no reason to say these things… but all those things DID happen… you reap what you soe… didnt you know?


  388. Crump's Brother says:

    m12,

    “I don’t hope for any President to be shot. Your side does. You made a movie about it.”

    Nice. If someone makes art about it, then they must want it to happen?

    At then end of Tom Cliny’s “debt of Honor” a lone terrorist drives a 747 into the Capitol Building during the State of the Union address effectively destroying nearly every elected member of the US government. So by your argument, Tom Clancy wants that to happen?

    That’s DUMB!!


  389. m12 says:

    #373

    He isn’t Conservative at all. He’s a cut and run defeatocrat much like yourself.


  390. Crump's Brother says:

    Zooey #377,

    Great Point

    m12,

    Maybe you could illuminate us with your awesome intellect on just what the homosexual agenda is. That way we can have a good discussion about it.


  391. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Why do any of you people respond to a nitwit like M12?
    Comment by kelso — May 15, 2007 @ 4:02 pm

    Same reason cats play with mice before they eat them…


  392. m12 says:

    #376

    If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. He could have easily made the movie about a fictional President, but he wanted masturbation material.


  393. m12 says:

    #381

    I have no idea what Tom Clancy was, but he wasn’t talking about specific actions done to specific people.

    If someone made a movie called “Rape of Crump’s Brother’s Children”, I doubt you’d be too happy about it.


  394. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    He isn’t Conservative at all. He’s a cut and run defeatocrat much like yourself. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:03 pm

    You’re talking about Gibson? BAHAHAAHAHAHAHA, he’s a complete wingnut like you! You’re just mad at him because he’s anti-semitic, and a wingnut jew like yourself always assumes that means he’s a *librul*, even though almost 90% of Jews vote Democrat! Sorry, chump, but just like Hitler was a Conservative Catholic – so’s Gibson!


  395. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. He could have easily made the movie about a fictional President, but he wanted masturbation material. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:06 pm

    How often do you masturbate to it?


  396. Prof. Mark Colby says:

    Mr. President,

    I’d like to make one more point and raise a question.

    The point is this: given the countless logical fallacies I find posted here (particularly by trolls, since they’re the ones who tend to be critical of the articles), I would consider it a major breakthrough if trolls were able to recognize, and refrain from committing, even a few of the more fundamental fallacies. But I delude myself with incorrigible optimism….

    The question is this, and I mean it in all sincerity: you were intellectually capable enough to recognize that another fallacy was involved in Valiant Venus’ post, so why is it that so many of your other posts recently have been so intellectually deficient, amounting to no more than baiting, invective, name-calling, inflammatory rhetoric, and the like, as well as fallacy-ridden? Were I suspicious, I would think you’re not whom you say you are, as ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus has suggested about you. (If so, this is a good reason for TP to require some form of identity validation.)

    By the way, I take the life of the mind seriously (it’s my religion) and I post here in all seriousness to make my own small contribution. Questioning my integrity or competence (as you did, perhaps unintentionally) undermines this. So search under my name at the Columbia and Rutgers websites, and you’ll find me.


  397. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    So m12, tell me. Where exactly in the Torah does it tell you that you should be a hate filled, piece of lying sh*t?


  398. m12 says:

    #388

    Never. I support our great Commander in Chief. But I know a couple of moonbats that do.


  399. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    I have no idea what Tom Clancy was, but he wasn’t talking about specific actions done to specific people. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:09 pm

    Once again, irrelevant. You still haven’t answered my questions. Do the hate filled right wing Islamic terrorists represent you? Because you claim that foreign *liberals* represent us.

    If someone made a movie called “Rape of Crump’s Brother’s Children”, I doubt you’d be too happy about it. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:09 pm

    Once again, do the wingnuts in the Islamic world represent you? Because that’s the same comparison – wingnut.

    Then again, they represented you *well*, when they fought against Communism? Right? Hypocrite.


  400. m12 says:

    #387

    Nope. I’m not Jewish. I don’t like Mel Gibson because he is a leftwing loser like yourself.

    Gibson reveals he used present day American politics as an inspiration, claiming the government callously plays on the nation’s insecurities to maintain power.

    He tells British film magazine Hotdog, “The fear-mongering we depict in the film reminds me of President Bush and his guys”.


  401. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Never. I support our great Commander in Chief. But I know a couple of moonbats that do. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:11 pm

    We support his impeachment – because he isn’t great, albeit he is the commander in chief. He’s unworthy of the role as president, and should be removed for his high crimes.

    You are unworthy of citizenship, as you show nothing but anti-american sentiments. Tell me, is your allegiance to Israel or America – that’s the same question I asked Venus. She of course has her allegiance to Israel – might I guess you are the same?

    The really *sad* part, is that Israelis for the most part think crazy wingnuts like you are lunatics. They don’t want your *support* if it means you help annihilate them through your st*pidity.


  402. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Nope. I’m not Jewish. I don’t like Mel Gibson because he is a leftwing loser like yourself. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:14 pm

    Sorry, Mel Gibson is a Conservative Christian – it’s why his family moved to Australia – the US was too *librul*.

    Gibson reveals he used present day American politics as an inspiration, claiming the government callously plays on the nation’s insecurities to maintain power. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:14 pm

    Quote.

    He tells British film magazine Hotdog, “The fear-mongering we depict in the film reminds me of President Bush and his guys”.
    Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:14 pm

    Link.

    May I remind you that there are *tons* of quotes from him about his religious and political convictions…


  403. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Sorry m12, but Gibson is a wingnut Fascist just like you are!

    So tell me m12, what *religion* are you exactly?

    Gibson’s theology, writes Christopher Noxon in the New York Times, “is a strain of Catholicism rooted in the dictates of a 16th-century papal council and nurtured by a splinter group of conspiracy-minded Catholics, mystics, monarchists and disaffected conservatives — including a seminary dropout and rabble-rousing theologist who also happens to be Mel Gibson’s father.”

    In the 1992 El Pais interview, Gibson said that “For 1,950 years [the church] does one thing and then in the 60s, all of a sudden they turn everything inside out and begin to do strange things that go against the rules.

    “Everything that had been heresy is no longer heresy, according to the [new] rules. We [Catholics] are being cheated. … The church has stopped being critical. It has relaxed. I don’t believe them, and I have no intention of following their trends. It’s the church that has abandoned me, not me who has abandoned it,” he said.


  404. Zooey says:

    Comment by Prof. Mark Colby — May 15, 2007 @ 4:10 pm

    I would be VERY interested to hear Mr President’s answer to your comment, Professor Colby.


  405. Zep Tepi says:

    D’Souza argues that bin Laden has been enraged by American liberal groups’ overseas distribution of contraceptives.

    Whaddya know Bin Laden has been enraged by Republican massage therapist Tobias…

    Does your God approve of hedonism and nihilism? Comment by valiant venus

    You are saying that you spoke to God V V? You are telling me that your God is the God of all children of the world. Correct? And then did not your God create this world of problems? Think about that for more than a few minutes V V.


  406. Can-O-Whoop-Ass says:

    Did he come back from the dead yet?


  407. thathz says:

    @Can-O-Whoop-Ass

    it takes three days, doesn’t it?


  408. AbleFable says:

    Hey Hypocrits. Death is death… You sound like the “pro lifers /anti-choicers” who support the death penalty and war. Whether it’s Saddam, Fallwell, an Iraqi or a GI, everyone deserves some condolences. It is not a celabratory event (unless your Irish). If there is a god, Fallwell will be getting what he deserves. Maybe his liver will be pecked out by birds for eternity?


  409. Bluedog49 says:

    m12: “I support our great Commander in Chief.”

    Theodore Roosevelt: “Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official…”


  410. unbelievable says:

    This thread makes me feel even better about being an Atheist…. Just further proof that religion is pointless, divisive and spiteful.

    Jerry Fallwell was a horrible human being. I feel no remorse in his death – just pity for those who loved him. Fortunately for him, however, there’s just nothing now.


  411. Publicus says:

    Good thing that there’s no God…or else Falwell would go straight to hell.


  412. m12 says:

    #402

    I agree. Which is why I will not stand by General Pelosi and the cut and run Congress.


  413. m12 says:

    #396

    I am not a religious man. Mel Gibson might be, but he sure as hell isn’t a Republican.

    http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/05/12/mel_gibson_compares_president_bush_to_ba


  414. not impressed with the U.S. says:

    Did he come back from the dead yet?

    Comment by Can-O-Whoop-Ass — May 15, 2007 @ 4:43 pm

    @Can-O-Whoop-Ass

    it takes three days, doesn’t it?

    Comment by thathz — May 15, 200

    That is too funny!!!!!!!


  415. m12 says:

    We support his impeachment – because he isn’t great, albeit he is the commander in chief. He’s unworthy of the role as president, and should be removed for his high crimes.

    You are free to believe whatever you wish. Unfortunately for you, it is John Kerry who the American people found unworthy.


  416. Moderation says:

    I feel now sorrow over the death of his man, nor am I happy, for his legacy of fear, bigotry and greed will live on in his stead. That someone could so utterly corrupt people without a second thought, profit from it, and use it to spread so much hatred. The fact that such behavior is contrary to all that the religion in whose name he acted instructs is loathsome.

    Being an atheist, I know he is now just dust, and there is no everlasting peace and love for him to bask in. The just part of me hopes that if he (and others of faith) is right, he is burning in a more imaginable hell than he ever conceived for all the misery he has spread.


  417. Uncle Ho says:

    This is the BEST NEWS I’ve heard since last fall’s midterm election results. One of the principle leaders of the Amerikan Taliban is gone. Good riddence! May the other members follow suit quickly.


  418. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    You are free to believe whatever you wish. Unfortunately for you, it is John Kerry who the American people found unworthy. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 5:24 pm

    Actually 2006 showed the American People have found Bush unworthy. Not enough of them fully realized what a big f*ck up he was in 2004, but that’s different now. And I hate to *educate* you on this, child, but *every* president that’s impeached is first elected – it’s no conclusion that they find him *unworthy* to be elected, only unworthy to remain there! You’re really st*pid, aren’t you child?


  419. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    I am not a religious man. Mel Gibson might be, but he sure as hell isn’t a Republican.
    http://www.starpulse.com/ news/ index.php/ 2006/ 05/ 12/ mel_gibson_compares_president_bush_to_ba
    Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 5:23 pm

    Well he’s a Conservative, so he sure as hell isn’t a Democrat – dum bass.

    And I hate to point this out to you wingnut, but most *conservatives* agree with Gibson on this, and don’t believe you wingnuts *are* in fact *conservatives*. You’re the fringe radical right, and they all think you are crazy – and you *are*.

    As for you not being religious – bahahaha, and you’re a conservative? That’s really st*pid of you!


  420. valiant venus says:

    #284 – “….This is a logical fallacy (the ad hominem fallacy). It is akin to treating the Crusades or Inquisition as evidence of the immorality of Christianity, Pol Pot as evidence of the immorality of Communism, or the behavior of Tom Cruise as evidence of the falsity of Scientology. Anyone who has had a course in critical thinking in college should have learned this……………..The only logically and morally correct response is to feel sadness that a fellow human being has died. (This is the only correct spiritual response too.) But this feeling of sadness for the man Falwell is entirely compatible with a feeling of vast relief that the public figure Falwell, an enemy of enlightenment, civilization, reason, tolerance, and civic well-being is no longer with us to inflict further damage to the American body politic.” Comment by Prof Mark Colby

    Well, my dear friend, Professor Colby attacks the argument I made in which I used postings from this thread to illustrate a NUMBER (not ALL) of intolerant “Progressives”. Then our illustrious guest educator labels Jerry Falwell an “enemy” who can no longer “inflict damage to the American body politic – while railing against ad hominem attack……..Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?

    Jerry Falwell believed licentious and hedonistic morals common today were a grave danger to our culture. Perhaps you disagree. The explosion of the drug culture and sexual promiscuity has done nothing to enhance American culture. Sadly, the burgeoning number of illegitimate children will keep our prison and court system “in business”.

    When you examine what the “loose” moral values of “anything goes” has done to society, I am shocked such an esteemed “thinker” and philosophical giant would condemn a dead man for his promotion of honesty, importance of character, and traditional family.


  421. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    I agree. Which is why I will not stand by General Pelosi and the cut and run Congress. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 5:19 pm

    Oh, poor child, don’t insult Pelosi that way – she pays the *salaries* of the Generals, and she gives them the permission to go to *war*. Don’t demean her by lowering her status to a *general*. It’s called the *constitution*, in fact it’s Article *1* of the Constitution. Congress controls the right to go to war – congress giveth, congress taketh away.

    As for the cut-and-run rhetoric, that only works on mentally r*t*rded idiots like *you*. We already won the war, now we’ve squandered the occupation – two different things, st*pid little child. When you get out of diapers, and learn to form a constructive argument suitable for *debate*, come back and talk to us. This talking point rhetoric only works on those with weak, and st*pid minds like yours…


  422. upright left says:

    “D’Souza argues that bin Laden has been enraged by American liberal groups’ overseas distribution of contraceptives.”

    Like conservatives, bin Laden is against promiscuity. Like liberals he hates America. He’s just a middle of the road kind of guy isn’t he.

    “You are saying that you spoke to God V V? You are telling me that your God is the God of all children of the world. Correct? And then did not your God create this world of problems? Think about that for more than a few minutes V V.”
    Comment by Zep Tepi — May 15, 2007 @ 4:40 pm

    C’mon ZT, everyone knows that God created a perfect world. Man chose to go against God and screwed it all up. And it’s a fine mess we’ve gotten ourselves into isn’t it.


  423. Uncle Ho says:

    Hot damn! Falwell dies, Tinky Winky lives. You gotta love it.


  424. Zooey says:

    C’mon ZT, everyone knows that God created a perfect world. Man chose to go against God and screwed it all up. And it’s a fine mess we’ve gotten ourselves into isn’t it.
    Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 5:35 pm

    Who are these “everyone” people?

    Sorry, not “everyone” knows that shit.


  425. Mr. Bush Goes To Hell says:

    IN his honor, Tinky-Wink is producing a replica of Falwell for collectors:

    The TelevangelisTubby!!


  426. upright left says:

    Who are these “everyone” people?
    Sorry, not “everyone” knows that shit.
    Comment by Zooey — May 15, 2007 @ 5:42 pm

    Sorry, should have said everyone knows but some choose to ignore/deny. ;)


  427. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Well, my dear friend, Professor Colby attacks the argument I made in which I used postings from this thread to illustrate a NUMBER (not ALL) of intolerant “Progressives”. Then our illustrious guest educator labels Jerry Falwell an “enemy” who can no longer “inflict damage to the American body politic – while railing against ad hominem attack……..Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E? family.
    Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 5:33 pm

    Oh, dear st*pid c*nt – you have no *friends*….

    You made a series of fallacious attacks as always – and they’re hypocritical as always. Yet you remain incapable of seeing your own hypocrisy, while falsely claiming others express your deviant and childish perspectives.

    Jerry Falwell believed licentious and hedonistic morals common today were a grave danger to our culture. Perhaps you disagree. The explosion of the drug culture and sexual promiscuity has done nothing to enhance American culture. Sadly, the burgeoning number of illegitimate children will keep our prison and court system “in business”. family. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 5:33 pm

    Oh please. Falwell had no trouble with licentiousness – he loved all sorts of deviances, just as you do! Like you, he adored hatred, bigotry, misogyny, racism and any number of bigoted values all of which add up to licentiousness.

    As for the people in Prison, Mr. Abramoff and Mr. Cunningham nicely demonstrates how *licentious* you wingnuts really are with your *false* morality. Maybe if you didn’t spend so much time preaching *hatred* as part of your fake attempt at moralizing, it would stick better in your poorly raised children? Then you might not have so many st*pid c*nts like you with such self esteem and p*n*s envy issues?

    When you examine what the “loose” moral values of “anything goes” has done to society, I am shocked such an esteemed “thinker” and philosophical giant would condemn a dead man for his promotion of honesty, importance of character, and traditional family. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 5:33 pm

    By “loose” morals, you mean gleefully making dead baby jokes about your own fake children? or do you mean gleefully calling for the genocide, and societal destruction of others? or do you mean the “capitalism anything goes” corruption that so pervades your *churches* and *politicians* and *companies* associated with you wingnuts?

    There’s so much dishonest, and lack of character you personally, and your larger movement represents – it’s hard to know where to begin making fun of your hypocrisy, and perverted st*pidity!


  428. m12 says:

    Actually 2006 showed the American People have found Bush unworthy. Not enough of them fully realized what a big f*ck up he was in 2004, but that’s different now

    That’s funny; I didn’t see George W. Bush on the ballot anywhere. But by your logic, I presume you believe 1994 found Bill Clinton unworthy?


  429. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Like conservatives, bin Laden is against promiscuity. Like liberals he hates America. He’s just a middle of the road kind of guy isn’t he. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 5:35 pm

    Actually dear confused child, Bin Laden hates the *librul-values* of America – just as you do. Nothing middle of the road about you, or him.

    C’mon ZT, everyone knows that God created a perfect world. Man chose to go against God and screwed it all up. And it’s a fine mess we’ve gotten ourselves into isn’t it. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 5:35 pm

    No, *everyone* doesn’t know this. Which god, Shiva, or Yahweh? Or were you referring to the “great-spirit”? You know there are lots of creation myths, and not all are as self loathing, and spiteful as yours. You really should trade up, child!

    What *intelligent* people know, is that crazy conservative wingnuts like you, and Bin Laden that hate the *librul* tendencies of mankind are the reason so much hatred, violence and strife exists. You are no different than bin laden.


  430. Juan C says:

    everyone knows that God created a perfect world. Man chose to go against God and screwed it all up. And it’s a fine mess we’ve gotten ourselves into isn’t it.
    Comment by upright left

    You are not much INTO science, are you?


  431. m12 says:

    Oh, poor child, don’t insult Pelosi that way – she pays the *salaries* of the Generals, and she gives them the permission to go to *war*. Don’t demean her by lowering her status to a *general*. It’s called the *constitution*, in fact it’s Article *1* of the Constitution. Congress controls the right to go to war – congress giveth, congress taketh away.

    Actually, Pelosi isn’t doing sh*t! She can’t even get all the Blue Dog Democrats to sign on her defeatism!

    She isn’t going to take away anything, she’s not going to imeach George W. Bush, and she’s going to dwindle away with nothing on her stupid agenda accomplished. What a Lame Duck Speaker!


  432. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    That’s funny; I didn’t see George W. Bush on the ballot anywhere. But by your logic, I presume you believe 1994 found Bill Clinton unworthy? Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 5:46 pm

    Yet most Americans say they voted against his policies, and strongly disagree with his running of the country.

    Sorry, child, but in 1994, more Americans liked Clinton than didn’t like him. They were voting for the *false-promises* of the Republicans, and buying into the propaganda of the wingnut *press* at the time about what they could do for the country, and how public healthcare was *wrong*. How sad for you that now the majority of Americans want that same public health care…

    And dear, st*pid child, I hate to remind you but Clinton was re-elected in 1996, so obviously by your definition the Country favored him, even though you impeached him. See how st*pid your logic (or lack thereof) is – child? Of course you don’t… You’re just another brain damaged little fool, that can’t construct even the most basic of arguments…. Sad, pathetic little child…


  433. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Actually, Pelosi isn’t doing sh*t! She can’t even get all the Blue Dog Democrats to sign on her defeatism! Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 5:52 pm

    Oh, dear st*pid child. She’s done lots…

    Don’t blame her for Senate and Bush’s *defeatism* on change.

    She isn’t going to take away anything, she’s not going to imeach George W. Bush, and she’s going to dwindle away with nothing on her stupid agenda accomplished. What a Lame Duck Speaker! Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 5:52 pm

    We’ll see, child. See it’s *bush* that’s the Lame Duck. But misuse of terms, and misrepresentation of reality is what you st*pid little Cons do. Truth has a liberal bias, so you poor little lost children delude yourselves with lies..

    Poor little deranged wingnuts…


  434. Mr. President says:

    Most popular thread ever.


  435. Jim Source says:

  436. Dave says:

    Free at last! Free at last! Thank God almighty we are free at last!


  437. valiant venus says:

    VVGFU – You poor thing! I took the posting of Leftards and used them against insensitive Progressives – no fallacy there.

    Definitions seem to elude you, so allow me to assist:
    “loose morals” – ’sleeping around’, ‘hooking up’, having children without being married – this is evidenced by the number of STD cases, AIDS once again on the rise, “only” 1.17 million abortions last year…..

    I hear your mom (or your caretaker) calling – better scoot…..


  438. valiant venus says:

    Juan – If I believe God created science, would you say I do not believe in science?


  439. m12 says:

    And dear, st*pid child, I hate to remind you but Clinton was re-elected in 1996, so obviously by your definition the Country favored him, even though you impeached him. See how st*pid your logic (or lack thereof) is – child? Of course you don’t… You’re just another brain damaged little fool, that can’t construct even the most basic of arguments…. Sad, pathetic little child…

    Good. And when a GOP President is elected in 2008, we will see exactly how wrong your rhetoric is.

    False promises? That’s all the Dimocrats have been making for a year now! But I wish they would. After the 1993 tax increase, the American people tossed the Dimocrats aside. It’ll happen again.


  440. Prof. Mark Colby says:

    #415,

    Sorry, Valiant Venus, I did not commit the fallacy. If you knew much about Falwell’s conduct over the decades, you would know that he left an ample public record of his views. I criticized him for those often stated views. (If I had attacked him, say, merely because he was Christian, I would have indeed committed the fallacy and I would indeed be a hypocrite.) Where you see him promoting honesty, I see otherwise; where you see him promoting character, I see a man who lacked it; as for traditional family, yes, he promoted it, but also demonized those, such as homosexuals, whose sexual natures he deemed deserved their exclusion from the benefits of family and from civilized community. He also lacked the intellectual and moral integrity to address the specific arguments raised against the traditional family by various feminists. He never actually argued for the claim that society today has “licentious” and “hedonistic” morals. He merely confirmed his uncritical, unthinking, dogmatic audience’s own smug and righteous prejudices about what constitutes genuine morality.

    If you want to argue morality with me, be aware that I also teach philosophical ethics. You think you know what constitutes genuine morality and what doesn’t, so that Falwell’s screeds are right and others, especially non-Christian ones, are wrong. To me you’re just invoking your own dogmatic assumptions and treating them as incontrovertible truths in order to accuse me of committing fallacies. Sorry, but this is a matter of substantive dispute about morality. Philosophers and theologians have sought for 25 centuries to make sense of morality and to find “the” correct morality. No one has done it yet. Do you have even passing familiarity with the arguments for moral relativism, pluralism, and diversity? Do you have even passing familiarity with the arguments against absolutism in ethics, whether Christian or Kantian? I doubt it. You and I disagree about what constitutes genuine morality; this matter cannot be resolved by the use of logic alone.

    As for your other unsupported generalizations about drugs, sexual promiscuity, and illegitimacy, it’s a gross simplification to contend, as you apparently do, that these genuine problems were all caused by “liberalism.” There are many other possible causes, such as economic transformations in society under advanced capitalism. No doubt you’d prefer to blame “liberalism” for all our social and moral ills. I’d actually be flattered if liberalism really had such power. You probably don’t even know how to define “liberalism.” Hint: it’s a family of overlapping but nevertheless distinct doctrines, shaped and reshaped since ancient times.

    Also, you’ve committed a number of other fallacies in your post. I’m too busy teaching students how to think better, but a starting point for you would be to name a liberal who said that “anything goes” about morality. If you can’t, and I think you can’t, you’ve committed the fallacies of the straw man and stereotyping.


  441. m12 says:

    Sorry, child, but in 1994, more Americans liked Clinton than didn’t like him.

    With a 38% approval rating that August? Interesting definition of ‘most’.


  442. not impressed with the U.S. says:

    All you religious zealots should be happy he is dead. Isn’t that what most of you want, to go be with your “GOD” in the glorious afterlife? Pathetic, delusional morons!!!!


  443. valiant venus says:

    Professor Colby – So refreshing to read that you LEARNED something from Mr. President. (I was SHOCKED to see you make such a mistake. But you DID leap to conclusions that I indict all progressive ideology – which I clearly do not.) I would have thought a philosophy Professor would craft a better argument…….grading must be interfering with your intellectual acumen……..


  444. Zooey says:

    Sorry, should have said everyone knows but some choose to ignore/deny. ;)
    Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 5:44 pm

    Some choose to live in reality.


  445. upright left says:

    You are not much INTO science, are you?
    Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 5:51 pm

    On the contrary, I very much enjoy the science of God’s creation.


  446. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    With a 38% approval rating that August? Interesting definition of ‘most’. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 6:02 pm

    Elections aren’t held in August – once again, what was Clinton’s approval rating in 1996 when he was *re-elected* – you know the *premise* of your argument again?

    Come on, grow a pair – admit I made your argument look as st*pid as well ALL know you to be!


  447. unbelievable says:

    “You are not much INTO science, are you?
    Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 5:51 pm”

    I recentlyread that the prestigious National Academy of Sciences took a poll on religious beliefs of their members. 93% consider themselves Atheists. The remaining 7% believe in a “god of some form”.

    I guess it explains why the more educated (including self-educated) people are, especially in the sciences, the less they ‘believe’ – while the less educated, the more devout. Not a selling point for god…


  448. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    On the contrary, I very much enjoy the science of God’s creation.
    Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:06 pm

    That’s up there with being half pregnant! Dum bass.


  449. upright left says:

    Some choose to live in reality.
    Comment by Zooey — May 15, 2007 @ 6:05 pm

    And then there are “atheists”.


  450. unbelievable says:

    “I very much enjoy the science of God’s creation.
    Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:06 pm”

    That’s not science – it’s American Lit.


  451. Juan C says:

    If I believe God created science, would you say I do not believe in science?
    Comment by valiant venus

    Believe in science? You are wrong from the start.


  452. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Professor Colby – So refreshing to read that you LEARNED something from Mr. President. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:05 pm

    So typical, you LEARN NOTHING – st*pid c*nt.

    (I was SHOCKED to see you make such a mistake. But you DID leap to conclusions that I indict all progressive ideology – which I clearly do not.) Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:05 pm

    As both I and Colby correctly demonstrated (and Mr. President admitted) he falsely jumped to a conclusion, and was shown to be wrong. But then again, you’re *always* wrong – poor little Anorexic st*pid c*nt! How I *laugh* at your expense!

    I would have thought a philosophy Professor would craft a better argument…….grading must be interfering with your intellectual acumen…….. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:05 pm

    Oh dear st*pid child, you’ve never taken philosophy – and you’re too dum to understand it! Maybe that’s why you’re such a hypocrite, and so prone to such *miserable* fallacious b*llsh*t posts!

    Poor little st*pid c*nt – you’re an embarrassment to the human race!


  453. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    And then there are “atheists”.
    Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:08 pm

    BAHAHAHA, hilarious st*pidity from the wingnut fantasists!


  454. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    Juan – If I believe God created science, would you say I do not believe in science? Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 5:59 pm

    Science is a methodology of discovery and *facts*, your *belief* isn’t relevant – it doesn’t change reality! It only shows you should be committed in a straitjacket – st*pid c*nt.


  455. unbelievable says:

    “That’s up there with being half pregnant!
    Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:07 pm”

    And the intelligent design in the appendix and wisdom teeth that are potentially fatal to their human bodies… LOL Silly Creationists.

    I just finished “Atheist Universe” by David Mills. I highly recommend it. Anyone read ‘Cosmos’ by Carl Sagan? It’s next…


  456. Juan C says:

    I guess it explains why the more educated (including self-educated) people are, especially in the sciences, the less they ‘believe’ – while the less educated, the more devout. Not a selling point for god…
    Comment by unbelievable

    You know what? I dont find the idea of God, in the sense of mistery of nature, evasive. Far from it, almost all of nature´s designs: animals, plants, virus, etc. are a wonderful collection that science tries to not only describe but to explain. What I find, absolutely ridicolous is that someone that wrote a book (Bible, Quran, etc.) tells me that the word of God is this or that. If there is a close God-like concept I could accept, is the one I decide, not based on other people´s idea. Now, religion is an entire different discussion.


  457. Zooey says:

    #433 — Professor Colby

    **SMACK!!**

    Heh.


  458. ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus says:

    And the intelligent design in the appendix and wisdom teeth that are potentially fatal to their human bodies… LOL Silly Creationists.
    I just finished “Atheist Universe” by David Mills. I highly recommend it. Anyone read ‘Cosmos’ by Carl Sagan? It’s next…
    Comment by unbelievable — May 15, 2007 @ 6:12 pm

    Then we have t*ts on men, and the prostate. Pretty much useless, unless you’re gay. Wonder what that says about *intelligent* design? Maybe god is a little gay curious? ;)


  459. upright left says:

    BAHAHAHA, hilarious st*pidity from the wingnut fantasists!
    Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:11 pm

    Ah, I’ve been addressed by the resident “breath of fresh air”!


  460. not impressed with the U.S. says:

    Say it loud!! I’m a atheist proud !!! :D


  461. Juan C says:

    On the contrary, I very much enjoy the science of God’s creation.
    Comment by upright left

    mmmm…no, no. Going to church is not a science.


  462. An American says:

    Reverend Falwell’s legacy is not about the tenants of Jesus’ ministry such as healing the sick and standing with the disenfranchised but about shunning and ridiculing those who have suffered and died of AIDS and their families. Many faith leaders today are moving away from his divisive approach and toward the compassion and inclusiveness that Jesus modeled every day of his ministry.


  463. Zooey says:

    And then there are “atheists”.
    Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:08 pm

    That’s very black and white thinking, but yes, there are atheists.
    Very good.


  464. upright left says:

    If there is a close God-like concept I could accept, is the one I decide, not based on other people´s idea. Now, religion is an entire different discussion.
    Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 6:14 pm

    So any god you would accept would have to be your god alone and nobody else’s? And even if you had a god you wouldn’t have religion?


  465. upright left says:

    mmmm…no, no. Going to church is not a science.
    Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 6:18 pm

    I must have missed a post there Juan. I don’t recall anyone having mentioned church going. Could you find that for me?


  466. valiant venus says:

    Professor Colby – I appreciate your desire to put as much distance as possible between Liberalism and certain societal declines. If you were in my profession you would, too.

    Classical Liberalism has given the world the most expansive IDEA that man’s rights do not emanate from government but are endowed by a Creator.

    Contemporary liberalism is akin to societal Libertarianism. “I will do what I want, when I want….(w/ the caveat) as long as I don’t hurt anybody,” – - except someone is often hurt. Take it from me – drug addicts make lousy parents. Contemporary liberalism parts ways with libertarians because they can’t stand the thought of so few taxes and/or voluntary charitable contributions.

    Thank you for taking the time to critique my posts…..I appreciate your philosophical expertise. Just don’t switch horses in mid-stream and decide a legal career is right up your alley…..I take that back – you would do well in research……put you come across as such a priggish hair splitter that juries might not like your self-important demeanor. (Admittedly, I could be wrong – you’re probably the life of the Party!)

    I have a client due in – ’til later……………….


  467. unbelievable says:

    “If there is a close God-like concept I could accept, is the one I decide, not based on other people´s idea.”

    You mean like pantheism? Or Deism? That’s probably the majority ‘god’ among the 7%ers… But I think that in US the ‘god’ of choice is the violent, murderous, misogynistic god of Christianity, and well, it’s such an unpalatable god that it makes the whole god concept repulsive to so many science minded people.

    Plus, there really isn’t a need for a god once you know the truth and see that the lack of a god makes the universe so much more fascinating, that even deism or patheism is like watered down water :)

    “Now, religion is an entire different discussion.
    Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 6:14 pm”

    I thought that was the one we were having :D