“The Rev. Jerry Falwell has died,
By on May 15th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
“The Rev. Jerry Falwell has died,
his office is reported as saying.”
UPDATE: CNN’s obituary of Falwell:
[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/05/falwellobit.320.240.flv]
UPDATE II: Steve Benen at The Carpetbagger Report has put together a retrospective.
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“…Only the good die young….”
May 15th, 2007 at 1:34 pmThere is a god…
May 15th, 2007 at 1:34 pmI hope he finds the after-life as he projected it to be
May 15th, 2007 at 1:35 pmNow is the part where we don’t celebrate, we give our condolences.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:35 pmGood riddance to the piece of crap. May Robertson, Dobson et al follow him into hell.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:35 pma little less hatred in the world, for today.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:36 pmI feel sorry for Falwell’s family, but his death seems suspicious.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:36 pmI’ve long predicted that Falwell would be unable to contain the level of evil he was storing up in his human-like body. Eventually he was bound to explode, releasing all that hateful energy and funneling it back to hell.
Or, perhaps Falwell’s god of hate finally got fed up with his crap and struck him down.
Either way, the world will be a kinder place without him.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:36 pm.
Best wishes to his friends and loved ones.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:36 pmYup, we can confirm that news story as accurate.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:36 pmmmmm…nope. I dont feel anything.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:36 pmThis is great news!
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr. — May 15, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
You are a sick f$@k
May 15th, 2007 at 1:37 pmI know many are going to be morbidly jumping for jow over this. I firmly believe that Falwell was an evil bastard and is now going to have to answer for his time on earth.
However, it is still a shock and it is unfortunate. I would much rather he change his ways and use his skills to unite the country instead of divide. Nothing good will come of his passing.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:38 pmGood Riddance!
May 15th, 2007 at 1:38 pmWhat BushCo shenanigans will occur while Falwell’s death saturates several news cycles?
May 15th, 2007 at 1:38 pm“The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.”
Falwell never did a bit of good in his public life but the evil he did will be with this nation for a long long time!
May 15th, 2007 at 1:38 pmIT WAS CLINTON!!!!!
May 15th, 2007 at 1:38 pmwhy snark this? it just makes ‘us’ look bad.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:38 pmYou’re now a maggot happy meal, ‘cuz there is no Heaven when you’re dead, only a fantasy while you’re alive.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:39 pmMy thoughts and prayers to Mr.Falwell’s family.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:39 pmSomething is up today, because Falwell has died mysteriously and Wolfowitz is going to get kicked out of the World Bank and Cheney is acting weird as well.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:39 pmOff beat here, I have to genuously say that I wish the best for his family in dealing with this sudden death. Reverend Falwell, Rest in Peace.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:40 pmGood Riddance!
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 15, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
To bad rubbish
May 15th, 2007 at 1:40 pmHAS the story been verified?
May 15th, 2007 at 1:40 pm#7.
Not you again.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:41 pmTROLLJACKER!
TROLLJACKER!
TROLLJACKER!
Hallelujah!
Now, if only the true EVIL in Washington would follow suit.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:41 pmNow is our time to show that we are more compassionate than the religious zealots. Comments related to burning in hell, etc. are inappropriate at this time. We can discuss his erroneous opinions and the evil done in the name of God at a later date. Now is not the time to celebrate his death. If we can’t be compassionate, we should say nothing.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:41 pmThat sleazy voice has been silenced. Thank God.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:41 pmHacker bob, Gerald Gibson name has been hijacked from days ago.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:42 pmI predict Mr. Falwall will be very surprised at the love he is receiving from GAY people. Yes, gay people. They will greet him on the other side with love. He is very surprised right now, right Mr. Falwell?
May 15th, 2007 at 1:42 pmwhy snark this? it just makes ‘us’ look bad.
Comment by mw — May 15, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
You’re damn right it does… bask in the awkward pleasure of hypocrisy!!!
May 15th, 2007 at 1:42 pmUhhh, ohhhh… we’re going to pay for some of those comments. Although anonymous, and probably even from some jerkoff conservative posers, you just wait. Malkin, Hannity and O’Reilly: “The Reverend Fallwell has died and you should hear some of the sick, hateful things said on these far left smear sites”.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:42 pm#24 – it’s confirmed
Prayers for Mr. Falwell’s family.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:42 pmWould not want to be in his shoes as he meets his maker…I have no doubl he will burn in hell for all eternity for USING God and religion to spead hate, discrimination, discontent and to amass millions in personal fortune..Amen…
May 15th, 2007 at 1:43 pmComment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 15, 2007 @ 1:40 pm
You have the heart of CompTROLLER V-100
May 15th, 2007 at 1:43 pmMr. President, today you can mourn…
May 15th, 2007 at 1:43 pmI figure he’s meeting up with Madeline Murray O’Hare about now, and she’s telling him,”Guess what. We were both wrong.”
May 15th, 2007 at 1:43 pmif there is a hell, falwell just checked in.
and i feel nothing.
tony snow is praying for him.
if one believes as falwell did, this should be a celebration.
jej
May 15th, 2007 at 1:43 pmI hope you get exactly what you deserve in the afterlife. Condolences to the family.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:44 pmNo matter how evil a person is, they probably have at least one person who loves them. If the Rev Falwell had anyone like that my condolences go out to them. That being said, the world is a better place without this particular hate-mongering madman in it.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:44 pmDobson’s next in line for the major ear of the Resident, and he is just as bad.
Good Riddance!
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 15, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Very sad of you to say this, very, very sad. You ask us on the right to be civil, yet look at the hate and garbage you hateful left wingers spew out.
pathetic, sad and evil of you. Truly evil.
Right or left winger, you should not wish death or bad things on anyone.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:44 pmShit this site is too morbid even for ME today.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:44 pmMr. President,
“To bad rubbish”
I’m afraid I don’t follow
May 15th, 2007 at 1:44 pmMy condolences to his family and friends.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:45 pmIf there is any fairness in the afterlife that Falwell promoted for do long, he’s burning in Hell as we speak.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:45 pmHis bitterness and hate turned many good people away from Christianity while simultaneously justifying the most base and cruel opinions from his followers. The Falwell example of a Christian leader, preaching hate instead of love and forgiveness, is sickening and now its over.
Good riddance to you Mr. Falwell, how about taking Pat Robertson too?
Good Riddance!!
May 15th, 2007 at 1:45 pmMy condolences to Little Jerry’s family.
Too bad he couldn’t have hung on, be declared braindead and become the new Terry Schiavo. Little Billy Frist could have reviewed videotapes and diagnosed him, the Republicans could have used the whole affair to distract public attention from their party’s implosion, etc.
I’ll bet that GDumbya is making plans right now to attend Little Jerry’s funeral and perhaps even deliver the eulogy. He can’t be bothered over the slaughter of thousands in Iraq but Little Jerry’s death has certainly rocked his world, I am sure.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:45 pm10: Hilarious!
May 15th, 2007 at 1:46 pmThis “man” made America worse. Now America is a little bit of a better place. We all got to go sometime. But we all cant cause as much hatred in peoples hearts against their fellow man like good ol Jerry Falwell could…
May 15th, 2007 at 1:46 pmIt’s always sad to see someone die.
BUT
This guy made millions off the backs of good people who gave him large parts of their salaries becuase “God told them to”. I have no sympathy for a person who fleeces good people by telling them they were born evil.
And that goes for evey televangilist in the world. Now hurry up and bury him in his gold coffin.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:46 pmAbout right now, he’s probably wondering why it is so hot. Of course, I don’t really believe that. “My” God is powerful enough to forgive even the unrepentant bigots and religious opportunists like Falwell who lined their pockets with the tithes of naive and hating people. Right about now, in my own religion, Falwell is waking up to all the bad things he ever did or said, the curtain is coming back, and he is embarassed and mortified and scarred to the core for all the stuff he did over his life. He’s getting the biggest moment of clarity anyone could, and probably dreading every moment of it. And even for a mean bastard like Falwell, I think he’ll be forgiven.
For some people, religion provides an answer in hating other people and thinking you are better. Unfortunately, there are plenty of “ministers” lining up to replace Falwell and provide the religious hate that so many people think they need to survive each day.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:46 pm#32:
Hah, definitely. Although TP as an org. hasn’t celebrated his passing.
Thoughts to his family however.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:46 pmComment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
Thanks Juan. I was begining to think GGjr had slipped off the deep end.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:46 pmWow. Despite the things I disagreed with, I’m Sorry to hear it.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:47 pmUnlike Tony Snow or others on the right, I don’t have an ounce of sympathy for this intolerant bigot. Of course, I feel for his family, as I do whenever anyone dies, but I have nothing but contempt for a person who devoted his life to judging and vehemetly attacking certain groups of people.
“AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.â€
“If you’re not a born-again Christian, you’re a failure as a human being.â€
R.I.P., Jer. At least for me, you’re in a better place: rotting in a hole in the ground.
More of his legacy here:
May 15th, 2007 at 1:47 pmhttp://www.brainyquote.com/ quotes/ authors/ j/ jerry_falwell.html
My prayers go out to the Falwell Family.
I wish that Rev. Falwell had woken up to his pernicious ways before he had to atone for his many sins.
I hope that he finds the forgiveness in his final resting place that he refused to give to others here on earth.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:47 pmsome will say it was God’s will that took Jerry…. I say it was all the decades of animal fat he crammed in his talk hole.
Jerry you will be missed, however, not by be… Buh-Bye
May 15th, 2007 at 1:47 pmWe can snark this because the man was a shyster scumbag who trained psycho pentecostals to take over America.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:47 pmEnter the parade of rightwing trolls writing all kinds of hateful things on leftwing websites so that they can call attention to the hate mongering and accuse the left of what they specialize in.
-GSD
May 15th, 2007 at 1:47 pmI could not stand this man but my God bless his soul. RIP Jerry.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:47 pmPost 25 is the impostor name hijacker from the other Falwell thread. This will be my last post on here too till TP does something about it. Any further posts on this thread under my name are phony. Bye all.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:47 pmpathetic, sad and evil of you. Truly evil.
Right or left winger, you should not wish death or bad things on anyone.
Comment by Valiantthehater
Jerry encouraged Americans to hate their fellow Americans… he no more deserves respect than did the nazis… good ridance to all those kinds of people.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:47 pmIt’s being ruled a suicide.
A half-full box of doughnuts was open on the floor beside him.
He left a note that said, “The French creullers are stale.”
May 15th, 2007 at 1:48 pmPerhaps God couldn’t handle any more of his religious intolerance and pulled the plug on him?
Just a thought.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:48 pmI can never forgive Falwell’s name calling , like the time he called Ellen DeGeneres, “Ellen Degenerate” on the Larry King show.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:48 pmPRAISE JEUS, GOD IS GOOD.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:49 pmBTW, 25,000 children die each day due to curable deseases.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:49 pmEvery 3 seconds one person die of hunger… due I have to feel pity for this human being? I dont.
I’m going to really miss seeing him on Teevee.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:49 pmvaliantthehater,
YOU ARE A HYPOCRIT!!!!
“Right or left winger, you should not wish death or bad things on anyone.”
Bin Laden? Al Zawahiri? You wish their death all the time. Right?
May 15th, 2007 at 1:50 pm“Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions. ”
Amen.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:50 pm… how can I make sure … do not want to break open the “champagne tout de suite et pour rien …”
May 15th, 2007 at 1:50 pmHooray…. good…. excellent…. one down many more to go….
May 15th, 2007 at 1:51 pmAre you all ready?
May 15th, 2007 at 1:51 pmFalwell’s, death, funeral and followers will monopolize the news until the weekend.
No news from Iraq, from the Senate hearings, from the DOJ, nothing will be worth reporting for the next 100 hours — the world will stop spinning on its axis.
Sorry, I usually have compassion, but in this case, I have no feeling. The country will not suffer in his absence.
Hacker bob, Gerald Gibson name has been hijacked from days ago.
Comment by Juan C
Yes I have been hyjacked by the cowards that come here… but I am here on lunch right now and I agree with the original hyjacker in my name … this IS great news… and NO I am NOT a sick F*(&^ … This man was evil … in the name of JESUS he was evil…
May 15th, 2007 at 1:51 pmThe world is a slightly better place than it was just a few hours ago.
One less pusher of hate and bigotry.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:51 pm#16
May 15th, 2007 at 1:52 pmPerfect quote from Julius Caesar.
how can I make sure .. do not want to break open the “champagne tout de suite et pour rien en plus …
May 15th, 2007 at 1:52 pmWhile I did not care for Mr. Falwell’s type of religion and expression of it I do extend my condolences and sympayhy ot his family.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:52 pmMay he rest in peace. A peace that, perhaps, he never found in this mortal life.
Maybe he died while he was doing the ‘nasty’ with Ted Haggard…
May 15th, 2007 at 1:53 pmI’m in favor of registration at TP due in large part to this kind of thread. A lot of newcomers spewing venomous, hate-filled rants. I suspect the split is about 50-50 between conservative “posers” and misguided liberal folks. Regardless, it needs to stop. Death is nothing to celebrate.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:53 pmdue I have to feel pity for this human being? I dont.
Comment by Juan C
mmm…that was a do.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:53 pm#61 was a troll name jacker.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:54 pmIgnore it.
I will continue to post here as we must remain commited to the end of the Republican party.
The trolls and name jackers are RNC operatives who are scared of our influence.
Let’s keep it up and not get side tracked.
My God can beat up your god.
–Jerry Fallswell
May 15th, 2007 at 1:54 pmvaliantthehater,
YOU ARE A HYPOCRIT!!!!
“Right or left winger, you should not wish death or bad things on anyone.â€
Bin Laden? Al Zawahiri? You wish their death all the time. Right?
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 15, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
Nope, I don’t wish death upon anyone. Don’t assume. Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri (who already is dead) are evil individuals and God will punish them. If we capture them, they should pay the appropiate price. If they die in battle so be it, but I don’t wish their death.
don’t assume Crump, plus, even if I did wish them death, two wrongs don’t make a right.
Stop assuming so much about those you disagree with.
I wish death upon no one. Here is a shocker for you, I am 100% against the death penalty. don’t assume.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:54 pmHave the wing nuts started to blame Bill Clinton for Falwell’s death ??
May 15th, 2007 at 1:54 pmRest assured, there’s another creep waiting to take his place as the king of hate.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:54 pmLarry Flynt outlives Jerry Falwell.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:54 pmI’m in favor of registration at TP due in large part to this kind of thread. A lot of newcomers spewing venomous, hate-filled rants. I suspect the split is about 50-50 between conservative “posers†and misguided liberal folks. Regardless, it needs to stop. Death is nothing to celebrate.
Comment by erock — May 15, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
Erok, well said. Death is nothing to celebrate.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:54 pmI am left wondering if Falwell fell well to the ground as he didn’t feel well.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:55 pmLet’s hope he takes that bigoted hatred with himself as he leaves this world.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:55 pmI wonder what Fallwell did to offend God that caused him to be struck down? Didn’t he say the Ariel Sharon was struck down for giving land to the Palestinians?
LW
May 15th, 2007 at 1:55 pmI’m positively grief stricken. NOT!!
May 15th, 2007 at 1:56 pmsomeone I work with maade the comment/question:”I suppose his secretary popped out from under the desk after they moved him?”
May 15th, 2007 at 1:56 pmComment by Gerald Gibson Jr — May 15, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Sorry. Gerald doesnt do so many typos.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:56 pmFrankly, I find it hard to offer condolences for a man who persecuted so many and perpetrated Hate in the name of God.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:56 pmtoo many name jackers, too many “posers” here spewing their hated words as if from the left.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:56 pmTime to move on…
It’s being ruled a suicide.
A half-full box of doughnuts was open on the floor beside him.
He left a note that said, “The French creullers are stale.â€
Comment by hob
———————–
Thanks for the laugh!
May 15th, 2007 at 1:56 pm-kay
Let’s have a Fox “news” talking-head discussion on this one.
DID JERRY FALWELL END UP IN HEAVEN or HELL??
Rest in Peace, Jerry.
Something you DENIED to many Iraqis and US soldiers when you said:
“God is Pro-War”
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36859
Come on, Fox ghouls and REAL Americans.
What do YOU think?
Personally, I’ll see Ronnie in hell (cause I’LL be THERE),
Mr. Bush
May 15th, 2007 at 1:57 pmMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COWARDLY TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM–BushCrimeCo, Inc.)
#74 is a name jacker.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:57 pmKeep posting under my name you coward!
I bet you’re upset over Falwell’s death.
Well he’s dead and the Ayatollah Khamanei is still here.
That’s justice!
Death is nothing to celebrate.
Comment by erock
Sure it is… death is nothing special… happens all the time…
Joseph Goebbels – Hurray!
Osama – Hurry! (some day)
Falwell – well today is his day… hurray!
Politically Correct BS can just get bent…
May 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pmLooks like Larry Flynt’s more favored in the eyes of God than Falwell, seeing as how Flynt’s still alive & kicking
May 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pmNow all the god people will be praying their empty heads off… “oh please magical sky being! Please have mercy on this man’s non-existant ghost energy when it passes through the portal of good eternity!”
Who’s next? Robertson? Dobson? Farrakhan?
May 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pmerock,
death is part of life. While you may not like the fact that many saw Falwell as the American equivalent of bin Laden, I did. I feel relieved that we wont have to deal with his garbage anymore. I had hoped that over the years he would come around to be a tolerant compassionate christian leader, but he chose the route of hate, and I couldn’t care less that he is gone. I am neither misguided nor a poser.
It’s nice though that you would like my thoughts censored as such. Nor will I allow your feelings on my views to silence me.
If you would like to engage in some dialogue as to why I shouldn’t feel somewhat relived that this man is gone, then fine, but don’t promote censoring people.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pmWhen Castro dies, I certainly expect restraint and respect from the trolls. Chavez, too.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pmSome of Falwell’s retard nuggets;
Is he [the Antichrist] alive and here today? Probably. Because when he appears during the Tribulation period he will be a full-grown counterfeit of Christ. Of course he’ll be Jewish. Of course he’ll pretend to be Christ. And if in fact the Lord is coming soon, and he’ll be an adult at the presentation of himself, he must be alive somewhere today.”
-Rev. Jerry Falwell at a conference in Kingsport , Tenn. , 14 Jan. 1999
We, the Order of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, reverentially acknowledge the majesty and supremacy of Almighty God and recognize His goodness and providence through Jesus Christ our Lord.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pm-Ku Klux Klan creed (from the Constitution and Laws of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan )
The idea that religion and politics don’t mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.
-Rev. Jerry Falwell
Taking the high road when it comes to certain demagogues, is worthless.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pmTaking the high road, refraining from judgements, and employing a positive approach to an event will only serve the demagogue and his followers.
They, who never have taken the high road in their lives, see those who do so as sufficiently weak to use their charity against them.
I never did believe in his teachings and I always did think he was a first class shyster (to use someone else’s words here), I don’t think he deserves the outpouring of hate you guys have been saying.
Can we all show the Republican’ts that we are better than this? This is what we are going to defeat in 2008, let’s not stoop to their level. Please.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pmBin Laden and Al Zawahiri (who already is dead) are evil individuals and God will punish them.
Comment by Valiantthehater
???? According to their god, they are not evil. They are holy crusaders in a battle against the real Evil = the US.
Now, in a funny exercise, find the differences between your and their rethoric.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pm“Someone must not be afriad to say, ‘moral perversion is wrong.’ If we do not act now, homosexuals will ‘own’ America!…If you and I do not speak up now, this homosexual steamroller will leterally crush all decent men, women, and children who get in its way…and our nation will pay a terrible price!” – People for the American Way, “Hostile Climate,” 1997, p.15.
Let’s not trash Falwell – his own words do that quite nicely. If anyone wants to bash the departed Falwell, use his own words to do it.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:59 pmum, guys, it’s never a tragedy when an old man dies. That’s what old people do. He lived a full, hate-filled, and powerful life.
And this month 50 of our 18-25 yearolds have died horrible deaths in Iraq this month. Young men who will never live out their lives the way Falwell did. THAT’S the tragedy.
May 15th, 2007 at 1:59 pmTo the compassionate Progressives who disliked Jerry Falwell but do not wish him (or his family) ill will – you are the face of compassion that has been eroding from Progressivism for some time. Unfortunately, your ranks are filled with cruel, hateful people – and that is a shame.
To the sick and twisted “others†– What a pitiful, sad lot you are. We have angry atheists weighing in with their “guesses†and Leftist extremists:
“It’s official he’s dead. Good riddance.â€
“The fires that we have been having are a clear sign that SATAN is calling his most humble servant home.â€
“Yeah he died watching kiddie porm.
Either way it’s good he’s dead!â€
How pitiful – but not surprising……
May 15th, 2007 at 1:59 pmThe inevitable.
May we all meet it with the confidence of our beliefs…
Or maybe its The Rapture…
May 15th, 2007 at 1:59 pmThe man and his words and his work are all well known, and we all have pretty strong feelings about him. None of that matters at this moment; a man is dead. May he find whatever rest he sought.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:00 pmMy short list of the worst type of human beings:
(1) War Profiteers
(2) False Prophets/Religious Phonies
(3) Brutal Dictators
(4) Child Molesters
(5) Murder’s for Hire
I’d hate to be the soul of Jerry Falwell right now.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:00 pmTough one… I don’t feel right rejoicing over his death and therefore I will not. However, although I feel sadness for his family, there will now be less evil and hatred preached to the masses. Falwell did not represent an accurate view of Christianity, which espouses, love, compassion, understanding, and forgiveness. Instead, he was a vile man who most often preached hatred, bigotry, and intolerance. He twisted and manipulated Christianity to attain power and wealth for himself and his chronies. May Dobson, Robertson and the likes of them suddenly become aware of their mortality and change their evil ways. If they trully believe in God, which I sincerely doubt, they may they reflect upon their own corrupt lives and start making amends.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:00 pmWhats really unfortunate about Falwell’s death is that it will capture the news for the next god/allah knows how many days. Reighwing fascist groups like Dobson’s and others will demand that his carcass be on display in the Capitol and “christians” who followed this bigoted hypocrite will be on every talk show imaginable. Bush will be pressured to award Falwell a posthumous Medal of Freedom.
All the while, 3, 4, maybe 8 American kids will die for lies in Iraqnam and the only coverage will be a little box called “Names of the Dead” in the New York Times. Along with those American kids will be a bunch of innocent Iraqi’s killed in a war that Geroge Bush the “christian” started. There may be a brief mention of those deaths.
Yet the death of this porcine asshole will be headline news now that Anna Nicole Smith is finally winding down. We have a very fucked up set of priorities in this country if the death of a class A hater like Falwell overshadows the sacrifices of American kids dying for Repugnican lies in Iraqnam.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:00 pmWell the Ayatollah Khamanei and Sheik Hassan Nasrallh live!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:01 pmHow irony.
That proves they are real holymen unlike Falwell!
Gerald Gibson Jr,
Not sure if this is the “real” you or not. To celebrate in the death of any person requires you to give up a small piece of yourself. Eventually, you will become that which you hate by displaying the same traits as the object of your hate.
I do not wish death on bin Ladin and did not wish death on Saddam. Those are two men that committed acts far more evil than Falwell.
You call Falwell “evil” because you disagree with his POV. I am personally indifferent towards him. Some would call him a hero for voicing his opinions. Each has their own reality.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:01 pmValiantthehater,
But you support war at all costs? You find “collateral damage” acceptable do you not?
I would argue that if you are truly not for the death of other humans, then there is no way you can support this war now.
“Death is nothing to celebrate.”
Buddhists would disagree with you. This is a religious view. Death is something to celebrate if you look at it as a natural part of our lives which it is. Why must it necessarily be sad?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:01 pmFalwell’s spokeshole just said on CNN “this will be like Virginia Tech, I suppose… a bittersweet thing.” What part of VT was the sweet part?
EVIL!! Pure unadulterated EVIL lives on in Lynchburg.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:01 pm.
Sorry. Gerald doesnt do so many typos.
Comment by Juan C
When I am short on time and typing really fast I do… I know I am normally more chilled out about things like this… but I grew up with this piece of crap on TV all the time…. I tried to believe in Jesus, but this man made it really hard because he tried to make me and many others believe Jesus was a sick F%^* like Jerry Falwell himself.
He ABUSED the name of Jesus and I give him no pass because of that… good riddance to him.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:02 pmWhile I did not agree with Falwells political ideology, I do respect human life and family. My condolences to the Falwell family.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:02 pmAnd Jerry is now, one hopes, discovering the eternal torment of that special circle in Hell reserved for him, for all the evil he did to others throughout his career. How can one be respectful of a man who said and did so many evil things? His prejudice, bigotry, intolerance, and narrow-mindedness knew no limits. I will shed neither tear nor moment of sorrow at his passing. I hope God judges him harshly, for he has earned it.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:02 pmDang, its HOT down here!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:02 pm>> Death is nothing to celebrate.
Spare me the “Plifchtbetroffenheit”. It stinks.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:03 pm#
Taking the high road when it comes to certain demagogues, is worthless.
Taking the high road, refraining from judgements, and employing a positive approach to an event will only serve the demagogue and his followers.
They, who never have taken the high road in their lives, see those who do so as sufficiently weak to use their charity against them.
Comment by Marie — May 15, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
I hope you understand if I disagree, if only because of the notion that I refuse not to be a better person than him. Gloating serves no purpose except making the gloater look bad.
I will not miss him, I will not mourn him. But it’s not for me, at least, to stomp on his grave while the body’s still warm. His family presumably loves him; his ministry will miss him. Out of sheer human compassion, an old man has passed away and deserves a moment.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:04 pmAs you read this Tinky Winky is greeting him at the Pearly Gates stating “Jerry…Jerry… We need to talk”
May 15th, 2007 at 2:04 pmTo the compassionate Progressives who disliked Jerry Falwell but do not wish him (or his family) ill will –
Did someone here wish his family ill? I must have missed it.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:04 pm#
Falwell’s spokeshole just said on CNN “this will be like Virginia Tech, I suppose… a bittersweet thing.†What part of VT was the sweet part?
EVIL!! Pure unadulterated EVIL lives on in Lynchburg.
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Comment by RandyBastard — May 15, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
… Okay, that’s f****d.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:04 pm#59 – “Enter the parade of rightwing trolls writing all kinds of hateful things on leftwing websites so that they can call attention to the hate mongering and accuse the left of what they specialize in.”
Comment by GSD
GSD – I feel sorry for the 6-8 honourable Progs here at TP right now. BTW, TP doesn’t need “help” from Righties to get the “Hate of the Left” messages flowing…..You have enough resident wackos to fill the boards with Left-wing venom……
May 15th, 2007 at 2:04 pmand today is free ice cream day at haagen-dazs:
http://www.haagen-dazs.com/newflavorday/
May 15th, 2007 at 2:05 pmHow pitiful – but not surprising……
Comment by valiant venus
Exactly. You get what you earn.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:05 pmHow pitiful – but not surprising……
Comment by valiant venus
You have ZERO credibility… because of people like YOU and JERRY FALWELL … 3,300+ Americans are DEAD in Iraq… and 100,000s of Iraqis are DEAD… ZERO CREDIBILITY.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:06 pmFor his sake, I hope the God who judges him, is the benevolent forgiving God that I believe in, not his version.
May he rest in peace.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:06 pmI think it’s important I better define my stance on death.
I don’t think death by ‘natural cause’ is sad. I think death brought on by stupid crap like war is very sad.
I hope the difference is obvious
May 15th, 2007 at 2:06 pmHacker Bob,
May 15th, 2007 at 2:06 pmThis man deserves death.
That’s why I’m happy!
I hate Christians would rather live under Muslims rule!
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Now is the part where we don’t celebrate, we give our condolences.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — May 15, 2007 @ 1:35 pm
Should we have given our codolences to Hitler too?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:06 pmAnd Jerry is now, one hopes, discovering the eternal torment of that special circle in Hell reserved for him, for all the evil he did to others throughout his career. How can one be respectful of a man who said and did so many evil things? His prejudice, bigotry, intolerance, and narrow-mindedness knew no limits. I will shed neither tear nor moment of sorrow at his passing. I hope God judges him harshly, for he has earned it.
Comment by HeartlandLiberal — May 15, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! A liberal attacking a conservative for being a bigot, intolerante and narrow minded? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Liberals ARE the most intolerant, narrow minded, full of bigotry against Christianity human beings that have ever walked this Earth.
In fact, Liberals hate anyone that doesn’t agree with their Liberal agenda and beliefs.
Please, please, please! get off your high horse, stop preaching as if you were a better person.
Everyone with an IQ over 100 knows that Liberals are intolerant, narrow minded, and bigots.
pathetic and sad that you would wish harm on another human being. Completly pathetic!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:07 pmSure, death is nothing to celebrate, unless the dead guy used the death of innocents to push his anti-gay agenda. You know, the guy who said this:
“I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.’”
Or this:
“AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals.”
Am I supposed to be a hypocrite and say I am sorry he’s gone? Unlike him, I am no hypocrite. To me this is just the end of a sorry, damaging chapter in American life.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:07 pmIf you would like to engage in some dialogue as to why I shouldn’t feel somewhat relived that this man is gone, then fine, but don’t promote censoring people.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 15, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Being relieved that someone is gone and celebrating his/her death are two very different things. It is in poor taste to be so vocal about either just minutes after their passing. Say what you want, I could really care less, just know how it reflects on you and the rest of us here at TP.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:07 pmThere is a god…
Comment by Fish — May 15, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
I bind the devil that is in you. IN JESUS NAME!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:07 pmSome will say that God had decided it was his time to go, but I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say you helped this happen.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:08 pmI am a proud liberal, but I take no joy in the death of the Reverend Falwell. I know that one day I will be leaving this earth also. I lost my mother in 1997 and to this day I still miss her. But i am mindful of the 40 years that I had with her. The lost of Jerry Falwell might not mean anything to us, even some of us might find joy in his death. But I know that someone is missing the Reverend today, my regrets to you on the passing of your loved one.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:09 pmI’d like to remind valiant venus that Progressives have never claimed the compassionate moniker. That’s you guys.
That’s you guys, like Falwell himself, who have preached compassion from one side of your mouths while spewing hate from the other side.
We are actually living up to his teachings by expressing our joy at his passing.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:09 pmGod’s child has done very well. As far as his health, I believe God saw that he was struggling and told his son to come home because he hath done good work on this earth.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:09 pmJuan – Since I suspect you believe in nothing Godly, you’ve earned nothing? Tooo sad!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:10 pmYou call Falwell “evil†because you disagree with his POV. I am personally indifferent towards him. Some would call him a hero for voicing his opinions. Each has their own reality.
Comment by hacker bob
NO… I did not just disagree with his POV… I believed in the REAL Jesus and he taught millions that the REAL Jesus was an evil piece of crap like Jerry Falwell.
There are good things in religion… Jerry Falwell isnt one of them. His POV is no more a cover than was Hitlers POV…
I judge him by his deeds… he deserves my disdain… There is no such thing as “happy land” and never will be…
May 15th, 2007 at 2:10 pmvaliant venus,
Falwell=bin Laden,
Two religious hate filled zealots. While Falwell may not be responsible for the death of thousands of innocent people, he is responsible for nearly identical rhetoric. He is (was) a judgemental hate filled human. His religion is better off with him gone. As is my country.
I would not say this about nearly any other person in our culture. I would not say the same about the President for instance. I disagree with him on policy vehemently, and I do believe that many of his policies are uncompassionate in nature, but he is nowehere the hateful schmuck that Falwell was.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:10 pmGerald,
May 15th, 2007 at 2:11 pmYou’re a Leftwing intolerant scumbag.
It’s weird you attcak Christians yet praise Islamic extemists.
You’re a fraud!
It’s amazing how much hatred exists on the left with those you don’t agree with. The sad part is you probably don’t even know why it exists. #135, you are correct, it is a sad reflection on you liberals.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:11 pmGSD – I feel sorry for the 6-8 honourable Progs here at TP right now. BTW, TP doesn’t need “help†from Righties to get the “Hate of the Left†messages flowing…..You have enough resident wackos to fill the boards with Left-wing venom…… Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
It’s true TP doesn’t need the help to get the “Hate of the Left” out, especially when you wingnuts spread your hate so feverishly it overwhelms every other message. You’ve spent 400 million a year for the last 30 years spreading the wingnut vision of hate that called Liberals godless, while your wingnut religious leaders preached nothing but hate.
We do have lots of resident wackos here, but they spew Right-wing venom like you – you hateful, spiteful, little Anorexic C*nt. Tell me wingnut. What would *Jesus* think of your hatred?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:12 pm134 – right… I am not going to say I am glad he’s dead, but I do think it fair to replay his words from after the tragic death of 3000 people before our eyes…
May 15th, 2007 at 2:12 pmSo happy to hear this unexpected news!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:12 pmA great day. I hope he’s in hell.
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God’s child has done very well. As far as his health, I believe God saw that he was struggling and told his son to come home because he hath done good work on this earth.
Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
DUHryll,
When are you going to join them? Take Jake and Valium with you..
May 15th, 2007 at 2:12 pmThis calls for a celebration.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pmJuan – Since I suspect you believe in nothing Godly, you’ve earned nothing? Tooo sad! Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
A st*pid c*nt like you that calls for genocide, torture and murder of others, and makes dead baby jokes about her own *fictional* child is in no position to preach *Godly* values.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pmHis family must be thrilled. Peace at last by the side of his saviour. What more could they ask?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pmI hope you get exactly what you deserve in the afterlife. Condolences to the family.
Comment by GO — May 15, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
Yes he will. He’s currently in Abraham’s bossom awaiting judgement day. God will open up the gates, which are made of pearls, and he walk on the streets that are made of gold. God will tell Rev. Jerry, “Well done my good and faithful servant”. GLORY BE TO GOD!!!!!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pmHUELE AZUFRE!
Jerry Fallwell, dead at 666.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pm109. put a cork in it, it’s fun mocking that GIGANTIC DEAD SOB. If that guy displayed an ounce of compassion and tact during his pie filled life, maybe i’d do the same right now but he didn’t…
121. HA!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pmI bind the devil that is in you. IN JESUS NAME!
Comment by Daryll
I saw this done many many times in church… IT DOES NOT WORK… no more than the ouija board does…
May 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pm#109, well said valiant. It’s amazing how much evil some of you regularly spew, yet rant and rave against others (like Rev. Falwell), claiming that *they* spew evil.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pmIt’s amazing how much hatred exists on the left with those you don’t agree with. The sad part is you probably don’t even know why it exists. #135, you are correct, it is a sad reflection on you liberals.
Comment by michael — May 15, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
Pure projection michael. The hate is all about you, isn’t it coward?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pmDaryll jinks Falwell in the last thread. See Daryll, God is mad at you.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pmGod’s child has done very well. As far as his health, I believe God saw that he was struggling and told his son to come home because he hath done good work on this earth. Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:09 pm
Was that *before* or *after* God lied to him and told Falwell he’d see the Rapture in *his* lifetime?
Crazy wingnut.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:14 pmSo Little Newty Gingrich will deliver the eulogy at Jerry’s funeral.
How appropriate. One crock praising another.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:14 pmTP doesn’t need “help†from Righties to get the “Hate of the Left†messages flowing…..You have enough resident wackos to fill the boards with Left-wing venom……
Comment by valiant venus
Would you stop with the divisive venomous spray painting? Half the reason people say venomous crap is in return for others venomous crap. And you have posted more than your share of it here V V. I can also find many venomous statements by Falwell who blamed people here, very wrongly, in America for the deaths on 9/11.
Just Stop it V V.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:14 pmBest wishes to the family. I’d dearly love to have Jerry back for 5 minutes and see if he has anything revelatory to share about his after-life findings.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:14 pmerock,
Your point is well made. Celebration is overboard. If my posts came off that way to anyone I apologize and I should not have been that way.
It’s hard not to be given this man’s hypocrisy and hateful ways though.
I think I have been a very balanced voice on TP. As we all do, I feel particularly strongly about this. I suppose I should have followed that sagely advice in this situation. “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.”
I’m done posting about Rev. Falwell.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:14 pmit is a sad reflection on you liberals.
Comment by michael
And we are supposed to believe people that started a war of aggression that has gotten untold #s of people killed? Shut up.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:15 pmHow pitiful – but not surprising……
Comment by valiant venus
That you’d make stuff up to prove a point? You said that we were trashing Falwell’s family – yet provided no proof. You are trying to make imaginary political points off Falwell’s death, which is as repugnant as anything you’ve accused us of. Or you could prove me wrong by posting one comment that wished Falwell’s family ill…
May 15th, 2007 at 2:15 pm“I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say’you helped this happen.â€
Jerry-I hope your imaginary supreme being is currently pointing a finger in your face.
No doubt Bushco will want to the country to fly all the flags at half-staff!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:15 pm.
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“AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah’s chariotters.” –Jerry Falwell, DEAD at 73, FINALLY!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:15 pm.
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I bind the devil that is in you. IN JESUS NAME!
Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
The devil is already bound *to-you*, You hateful disgusting Jake*ss.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:15 pmIf the corporate media wants to do the public a favor they’ll engage a discourse on the psychology of religious mania and what we can do to prevent future Falwells. Also, how we can prevent our friends and family from falling prey to religious cult-like figures who preach hate and division.
Will the corporate media use Falwell’s death as an opportunity to help our communities? Or will the blab on and on for 3 days saying nothing of value?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:15 pmFor you pathetic Progs to compare Jerry Falwell with Adolph Hitler is so out of the realm of reality (How many people was Falwell responsible for killing? You were forced to endure Falwell’s religious leadership by (fill in the blank). Your analogies are poor, your tolerance for opposing views is non-existent and your compassion is nil.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:16 pm135, 144 – see comments 137 and 146 for my response… there’s no pleasure in my words, just a sense of fairness…
May 15th, 2007 at 2:16 pmFor his sake, I hope the God who judges him, is the benevolent forgiving God that I believe in, not his version.
May he rest in peace.
Comment by doro — May 15, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
He won’t be judged until Judgement Day. God will accept Jerry, but what about you? Have you followed Acts 2:38, as well? Do you want to go to hell, which is consisted of fire and brimstone?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:16 pmSend Me Your Money – Suicidal Tendencies
Lights, camera, silence on the set
Tape rolling, 3-2-1-action
Welcome to the church of Suicidal
We’ll have a service and wonderful recital
But before we go on, there’s something I must mention
An important message I must bring to your attention
I was in meditation and prayer last night
I was awakened by a shining bright light
Over head, a glorious spirit
He gave me a message and you all need to hear it
“Send me your money”, that’s what he said
He said to “Send me your money”
Now if you can only send a dollar or two
There aint a hell of a lot I can do for you
But, if you want to see heaven’s door
Make a check out for five hundred or more
“Send me your money”, do you here what I’m saying?
“Send me your money”
Now give me some bass, um yea that’s how he likes it
May 15th, 2007 at 2:16 pmNow give me some silence, for all you sinners
Now give me some bass, yea that was funky
Now take them on home Brother Clark, send me your …money
Here comes another con hiding behind a collar
His only god is the almighty dollar
He aint no prophet, he aint no healer
He’s just a two bit goddamn money stealer
Send me your money
Send it, you got to send it
Send me your money
You hear what I’m saying?
Send it, send it
Send me your money
Now how much you give is your own choice
But to me it’s the difference between a prosche and a Rolls
Royce
I want you to make it hurt when you dig into your pocket
I want you to make it hurt!
We’ll take cash, we’ll take checks
We’ll take credit cards, we’ll take jewelry
We’ll take your momma’s dentures if they got gold in them
So whose gonna be the next king of the fakers
Whose gonna take the place of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker?
See my momma, she didn’t raise no fool
Cause you can’t put a price on a miracle
Amen
“Liberals ARE the most intolerant, narrow minded, full of bigotry against Christianity human beings that have ever walked this Earth.”
valiantthehater
Wait isn’t that the conservative agenda you’re referring to? You must have gotten your wires crossed again and confused conservative with liberal. It happens, mostly to ignorant folk, but it happens.
As a progressive, the only things I’m intolerant about are intolerance, hate, needless death, suffering, corruption, and ignorance. Though I dislike you tremendously and have no respect for your points of view, I tolerate even the likes of you.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:17 pm#109, well said valiant. It’s amazing how much evil some of you regularly spew, yet rant and rave against others (like Rev. Falwell), claiming that *they* spew evil. Comment by Dale — May 15, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
Let see. Falwell, and you constantly preach hate, bigotry and your right to oppress others for *your* interpretation of Christianity. When we point out that you’re being hateful, and st*pid, then we’re hateful?
BAHAHA, you’re such a st*pid child… You just want to feel *justified* in your own hatred, so when people point out to you your own bad behavior, you blame it on us. Pure projection from you child – just like *ALL* of you Hypocritical Cons.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:17 pmJuan – Since I suspect you believe in nothing Godly, you’ve earned nothing? Tooo sad! Comment by valiant venus
mmm…what? OK, yeah, sure. Be happy.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:18 pmOh no here we go NOT living up to Conservatives’ Definitions…
OH WOE!!
Jerry Falwell was a PARASITE who manipulated peoples’ faith to make himself a millionaire.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:18 pm“Pure projection michael. The hate is all about you, isn’t it coward?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007″
Thanks for confirming my comment!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:18 pmYes he will. He’s currently in Abraham’s bossom awaiting judgement day. God will open up the gates, which are made of pearls, and he walk on the streets that are made of gold. God will tell Rev. Jerry, “Well done my good and faithful servantâ€. GLORY BE TO GOD!!!!!
Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
Abraham Genocided the people of Palestine and stole their lands. If you think that’s the sort of Behavior your *god* rewards, then I’m sure Falwell is in the Bosom of his other mentor – Hitler.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:18 pmBeing relieved that someone is gone and celebrating his/her death are two very different things.
Comment by erock — May 15, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
But why can’t we celebrate death? As a human, with human emotions, I’m saddened by someone’s passing, but as a Christian believer, and assuming Heaven is the equivalent of an eternal Disney World for adults, I, for one, am joyeus for said soul.
I, for one, was disgusted by many of his remarks, including the 9/11 analogy, but as a Christian, I forgave (PAY ATTENTION St. Daryll), and as we have many namejackers and side trackers (posers) out in full force today, I just want to re-emphasize:
May 15th, 2007 at 2:18 pmPray for his family and friends in their time of sadness.
and while you (we?) are praying, let’s never, ever, forget the familes of the deceased soldiers, and the families of the innocent Iraqi civilians killed, for an unjust war.
Well I guess he didn’t last long enough to see the Rapture. Other Evangelicals might be wise to not put all their eggs into that basket.
And as far as progressives looking bad, if there is one thing we should learn from Bush, Gonzales, Wolfowitz, etal., there’s no such thing as LOOKING BAD anymore. As long as you get what you want, just do it.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:18 pmFalwell was to religion what Tom DeLay was to politics.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:19 pmHe won’t be judged until Judgement Day. God will accept Jerry, but what about you? Have you followed Acts 2:38, as well? Do you want to go to hell, which is consisted of fire and brimstone?
Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
That’s a st*pid comment. How will he accept someone that isn’t being judged? Your own silly little book says that he’ll remain in the dirt until judgment day. Why do you lie about Christianity so much Daryll? Is it your own self loathing for being gay?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:19 pmGod obviously wanted him dead.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:19 pmJesus vs. USA: http://www.angryflower.com/jesusc.gif
May 15th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI’m done posting about Rev. Falwell.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 15, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
I mostly agree with you CB. I too disagree strongly with reverend Falwell’s stance on nearly everything. But his death (as with most deaths) doesn’t really hurt him, it only hurts his family and loved ones. Cheering it only mocks their pain.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI would say if you have nothing nice to say . . .
But since you already have shown you true colors I don’t see why I should hold back.
May you disgusting creatures who use this site to make fun of a religious man’s death (while protecting terrorists, hating America and spitting on our troops) all rot in Hell.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:20 pmPersonally, I hope he fell on his pudgy hand and put his eyes out.
Reliable rumors say that when he hit the ground, a black snake came out of his mouth.
Head demon George Bush, on hearing the news, continued reading ‘My Pet Goat,’ though observers say he drooled blood.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI only want that, if the christian heaven exists, Falwell finds at its door the souls of the many innocents deads that he has helped to create, specially in the Iraq war, and get his soul’s ass kicked directly where it belongs, with Saint Peter’s blessings.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:21 pm# 171
Daryll,
hit a nerve?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:21 pm“Liberals ARE the most intolerant, narrow minded, full of bigotry against Christianity human beings that have ever walked this Earth.â€
valiantthehater
Psst. Middle Ages. Check it out.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:21 pm“You’ve got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops and I am for the President—chase them all over the world, if it takes ten years, blow them all away in the name of the Lord.”
-Jerry Falwell Debate with Jesse Jackson (24 October 2004)
May 15th, 2007 at 2:21 pm“The idea that religion and politics don’t mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.”
-Jerry Falwell (Sermon, July 4, 1976)
May 15th, 2007 at 2:22 pmHow pitiful – but not surprising……
Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
Maybe you should read some of your hate-filled typing before you post it then. You are the most hateful troll on the site, attacking progressives at every turn. What a hypocritical, lying piece of scum. Take your indignation somewhere else.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:22 pmwell said valiant. It’s amazing how much evil some of you regularly spew, yet rant and rave against others (like Rev. Falwell), claiming that *they* spew evil.
Comment by Dale
She lied, and you said “well said;” that tells me your own moral standards are loopy. And you’re ragging on us? Loopy.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:23 pm“I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won’t have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!”
- Jerry Falwell (America Can Be Saved!, Sword of the Lord Publishers, Murfreesboro, Tenn. 1979, p. 52-53.)
May 15th, 2007 at 2:23 pmIn my opinion, it’s unseemly and cruel to celebrate someone’s death. After all, the guy had a family. But, if his followers really are true believers, they should be happy. I can’t, however, mourn for a man who was the first to publically blame Americans for the attack on 9-11. Falwell rushed to the microphone in the days following the tragedy and instead of laying blame where it was deserved – on the fundamentalist fanatics who perpetrated the act – he blamed liberals and “secularists” for the tragedy. That was one of his most dispicable public acts and that is what I will always remember about him.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:23 pmLike it needs to be said again, but it’s not exclusively people on any side that are posting unsuitable comments.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:23 pm“Liberals ARE the most intolerant, narrow minded, full of bigotry against Christianity human beings that have ever walked this Earth.â€
valiantthehater
So why don’t I type such vitriolic, group paint, statements when you do? Maybe it’s cause you have just show the narrowness of your own view which is quite narrower than mine?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:23 pmall rot in Hell.
Comment by Happy Dude — May 15, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
I forgive you of your false prophesizing ways, your hatred toward others, and your God complex to judge and condemn
May 15th, 2007 at 2:24 pmRegistration is bogus!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:24 pmFree speech for all!
I thought people were liberals, here!
I wonder if Fred Phelps will be picketing the funeral?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:24 pm.
Still waiting, Valiant turdbucket. Where is the post that wished Falwell’s family ill? Lie much?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:24 pmjust heard,….. soooo what beach did he wash up on? …and any chance others in his pod will follow?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:24 pmHappy Guy,
I’d gladly spit on you..
We’re taking back America from you Christ-Nazi’s
God just helped us today!!!
One less false profit, I mean prophet.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:24 pmWill he stand neckdeep in steaming dogshit for eternity?
Or hang upsidedown in Oktoberfest vomit until the end of time?
Oooooh – I can’t decide!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:25 pm“if you have nothing nice to say…you may be Jerry Fallwell.”
ESPECIALLY if you hate Jesus enough to pray in public for money.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:25 pmDo you want to go to hell, which is consisted of fire and brimstone?
Comment by Daryll
How do you know this? The last scientific expedition to that place came up with … nothing becuz there is no such place? Oh, Im sorry. ValianttheHater is convinced that there is Hell. Oh, ok. My bad.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:25 pmHappy Guy: “May you disgusting creatures who use this site to make fun of a religious man’s death (while protecting terrorists, hating America and spitting on our troops) all rot in Hell.”
Good job, bibleboy. That statement is a perfect tribute to Jerry Falwell. It captures very nicely the jist of his rhetoric.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:25 pmMay you disgusting creatures who use this site to make fun of a religious man’s death (while protecting terrorists, hating America and spitting on our troops) all rot in Hell.
Comment by Happy Guy
Another narrowist assuming his narrowism is not as narrow as anothers.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:25 pmUnfortunately, for every one of these christofacist that pass on, there are 10 drooling godbags ready to take his place. Oh well.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:25 pmNow this is something even I can celebrate, I’ll be raising my IPA to toast Satan on his new soul tonight.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:25 pmOne less photo-op for McJowls on the campaign trail… sob. weep. sob.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI don’t care of it’s tacky…good riddance
May 15th, 2007 at 2:26 pmZT – “Just stop “what ? Do you think trolls are writing hateful posts to make the left look bad? You wish! Many Progs demonstrate their intolerance here daily – but this news allows gleeful intolerance.
“Just stop”…..what? Pointing to the embarrassment this thread brings to “Progressive Politics”? That’s rich…..
’til later
May 15th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI really believe people like Pat Robertson, James Dobson, and groups like Focus on the Family, Moral Majority and The Christian Coalition who have tried to theocratize America, I point the finger in your face and say “YOU made this happen!”. God took him early to punish us for YOUR wickedness!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:26 pmMay you disgusting creatures who use this site to make fun of a religious man’s death (while protecting terrorists, hating America and spitting on our troops) all rot in Hell. Comment by Happy Guy — May 15, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
Falwell was a preacher of Hate, no different than the Mullahs you call for the death of in this own post. We don’t hate *America*, you do – just like Osama does. You hate our *liberal* way of life, and you’d have us all be a religious wingnut hateful totalitarian state if you had your way. Ironic you’d say we’re hateful for saying Falwell should rot in hell for his hate – while you say the same for us. Hypocrisy much – dum bass?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:26 pm“And we are supposed to believe people that started a war of aggression that has gotten untold #s of people killed? Shut up.
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr — May 15, 2007″
And it’s obvious by your stupid comment that you don’t have a clue why we are at war? Dope!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:27 pmSee you in Hell, Falwell.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:27 pm“I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won’t have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!â€
That works for me. Then we can all pray to the might nuclear-tipped ICBM, like in Planet of the Apes.
And the Chinese will ship the peanuts into the Zoo.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:27 pmGood riddance to bad rubbish. Falwell was a vociferous bigot who was instrumental in fanning the flames of hatred towards homosexuals, women, Jews, Catholics, Muslims, etc…
That Falwell is dead does not give him a pass nor does it make him a better man. He was a vicious hate-monger. The planet is better off without him.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:27 pmEveryone with an IQ over 100 knows that Liberals are intolerant, narrow minded, and bigots.
pathetic and sad that you would wish harm on another human being. Completly pathetic!
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 15, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
Next to irony in the dictionary they should put your obscenities.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:27 pmSo why don’t I type such vitriolic, group paint, statements when you do?
Comment by Zep Tepi
Dont forget the satisfying, not forced laguhter: hahahahahahaha!!!
You know, like real happiness.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:27 pmAnother Bushie bites the dirt, so to speak, if you will.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:28 pmThese things happen in 3’s
- 2 More
Robertson and Dobson
COME ON 3!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:28 pmZT – “Just stop “what ? Do you think trolls are writing hateful posts to make the left look bad? You wish! Many Progs demonstrate their intolerance here daily – but this news allows gleeful intolerance. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
No, you make yourselves look bad with your hypocrisy. Just like Happy Guy that said we should all Rot in Hell, because some liberals said that about Falwell. Where’s the hate in that st*pid c*nt? In the mirror for you?
“Just stopâ€â€¦..what? Pointing to the embarrassment this thread brings to “Progressive Politicsâ€? That’s rich….. ’til later Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Embarrassing for us? To point out Falwell was a man of hate, no different from the most hateful Mullahs? Yet you yourself defend him as a saint? How *Osama* of you – hateful c*nt.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:28 pmI won’t defend, or admonish any who voice their opinion of Mr. Falwell. I believe Larry from C is pasting the quotes that give credence to peoples disgust of the man.
Those on the right are ignoring that and jumping on the comments rather than the rationale for the comments.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:28 pmWhat’s wrong with celebrating his death?
If his beliefs were correct, he is in eternal bliss with his Heavenly Father right now. A time for celebration.
If his beliefs were incorrect, he simply ceased existence, and a hateful person is now gone. A time for celebration.
Either way, sympathy to his loved ones, of course. I’m not one who believes the inequities of the father should fall upon his descendants.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:28 pmJimmy Carter’s “message of peace and reconciliation under almost all circumstances is simply incompatible with Christian teachings as I interpret them. This ‘turn the other cheek’ business is all well and good but it’s not what Jesus fought and died for. What we need to do is take the battle to the Muslim heathens and do unto them before they do unto us.”
-Jerry Falwell radio interview March 4, 2002
May 15th, 2007 at 2:29 pmHappy Guy,
You true colors show when you place a man on a pedestal who blames 9-11 on” pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America.” A man who openly supported an apartheid government in South Africa.
Please.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:29 pmShane – As usual, you are wrong….I don’t hate Progressives. I despise their politics and the Progressive ideology. I don’t know you well enough (thank God!) to dislike you.
Tooodles………
May 15th, 2007 at 2:29 pmpathetic and sad that you would wish harm on another human being. Completly pathetic!
Comment by Valiantthehater
*Where is your God now?*
May 15th, 2007 at 2:32 pmHappy Guy sez:
That’s hardly a Christian attitude, Happy Guy.
Why am I completely unsurprised?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:32 pm“Another narrowist assuming his narrowism is not as narrow as anothers.
Comment by Zep Tepi — May 15, 2007″
Maybe you can explain it to us?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:32 pmHis Body finally caught up…his brain has been dead for 30 years.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:32 pmI bind the devil that is in you. IN JESUS NAME!
Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
The devil is already bound *to-you*, You hateful disgusting Jake*ss.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:15
I’ll continue to pray for you. Save your soul before it’s too late. Have you watched the Rev. John Hagee telecast?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:32 pmCare to point to any posts where I’m oppressing others for *my* interpretation of Christianity? Or are you just talking out of your a$$ again.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:32 pm#109
When a conservative dies, lefties say “good riddance”. Ok, fair enough, they didn’t like him.
But when a murderer is about to be strapped to the electric chair, the lefties spring millions of dollars in his defense.
There’s compassion for you!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:32 pmHe won’t be judged until Judgement Day. God will accept Jerry, but what about you? Have you followed Acts 2:38, as well? Do you want to go to hell, which is consisted of fire and brimstone?
Comment by Daryll
Any God that accepts someone who promoted Bigotry and hatred towards others such as Falwell and you do Daryll, is the wrong God to be worshipping. The God you push is a god of hate. A God of love persecutes no one.
Hell is going to be your own concience punnishing you for the way you treat others. Your own Hell, Daryll will be of your own making, from your own treatment of others.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:33 pmOh too bad for Jerry. That’s life though! Many people don’t make it to 73 so his family should be happy they had him for that long. The rest of us, well, let me just say that he probably wasn’t surprised to find no god waiting for him because it it is very hard to be surprised when your tissues and cells don’t work anymore.
And thus endeth a chapter in the book “How religion can make good people into fanatics.”
May 15th, 2007 at 2:33 pmVVGFU – The topic is “Falwell’s DEATH – not the mullah’s or your defense of terrorists….
Tooodles, tiny tool…….
May 15th, 2007 at 2:34 pm’til later
Comment by valiant venus
Running away because I exposed you as a liar? How predictable.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:35 pmShane – As usual, you are wrong….Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
As usual, you are wrong….
I don’t hate Progressives. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
Sure you do – liar. You hate us, our values, and what we stand for.
I despise their politics and the Progressive ideology. I don’t know you well enough (thank God!) to dislike you. Tooodles……… Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
Yet you say hateful things to us every day – so clearly either you dislike us, or you vent your *general* hatred towards us as though you do. That makes you either a liar, a hypocrite, or someone that can’t control their hatred. In either case, you defending Falwell while attacking only ISLAMIC extremism is they height of hypocrisy and st*pidity – you st*pid hate filled religious wingnut c*nt.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:35 pmWayne – Does a God of love have no rules of acceptable or moral behaviour – except those New Testament mandates from the Sermon on the Mount?? Does your God approve of hedonism and nihilism?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:36 pmZT – “Just stop “what ? Do you think trolls are writing hateful posts to make the left look bad? You wish! Many Progs demonstrate their intolerance here daily – but this news allows gleeful intolerance.
Comment by valiant venus
This coming from someone that sees argument as sport? Your idignation is false. You like this kind of stuff and I really doubt that any of what you type here is how you really feel.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:37 pmCare to point to any posts where I’m oppressing others for *my* interpretation of Christianity? Or are you just talking out of your a$$ again.
Comment by Dale
And loopy Dale thinks lying makes Vermin more credible. Moral midget.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:38 pmWhen a conservative dies, lefties say “good riddanceâ€. Ok, fair enough, they didn’t like him. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
So then you agree with us that Valiant Venus is a st*pid c*nt for her statements here – fair enough.
But when a murderer is about to be strapped to the electric chair, the lefties spring millions of dollars in his defense. There’s compassion for you! Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
Do you mean like the *hundreds* of murderers that have been exonerated posthumously and proven to be innocent? Yet they were *murdered* by you foaming at the mouth rabid wingnuts? Those *murderers*? The problem *child*, is unless you *know* someone did it – you don’t have any right to murder them. It’s morally wrong you hypocritical disgusting piece of hateful sh*t.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:38 pmBarfly – You could expose yourself as the poor reader you are all you want – just keep the curtains closed…..ick!!! How are things in Spring Valley??
May 15th, 2007 at 2:38 pmLibs, stop calling this a funeral. This will be a celebration!!! God has brought his son home.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:38 pmMay all the Trolls, unwanted, unfriendly, ungratified, end up in the same place as their Holy Falwell.
Is this the rapture, or does that start after Wolfoshitz is fired?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:38 pmCan I get an AMEN in the Congregation!!!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:39 pmit is a sad reflection on you liberals.
Comment by michael — May 15, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
Care to elaborate?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:39 pmIs Daryll on this thread spreading religious hate in the name of Jesus?
Friggin’ heretic.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:39 pmWhen a conservative dies, lefties say “good riddanceâ€.
What does “conservative” have to do with anything? Are you equating Fallwell’s spew with being conservative?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:39 pmVVGFU – The topic is “Falwell’s DEATH – not the mullah’s or your defense of terrorists…. Tooodles, tiny tool……. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
The topic is Falwell’s DEATH – you know, the guy who’s as much a *Christian* mullah as anyone? Therefore it’s relevant, and on topic, showing you’re a *tool* a *hypocrite* and a *fool*.
Tooodles, indeed, tiny tool…. Maybe if you ate something to overcome that Anorexia you wouldn’t be such a tiny tool? Or was that more p*n*s envy you were trying to post? st*pid c*nt, and miserable little hate child that you are?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:40 pmVVGFU – I don’t hate what you “stand for” – most of you stand for nothing – except what you can pilfer from other people…Don’t flatter yourself – I feel sorry for you….nothing else.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:40 pmdon’t hate Progressives. I despise their politics and the Progressive ideology. I don’t know you well enough (thank God!) to dislike you.
Tooodles………
Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
Care to educate all of us on your interpretation of progressive ideology
May 15th, 2007 at 2:40 pmI don’t know you well enough (thank God!) to dislike you. Tooodles……… Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
But enough to break out a can of spray paint and paint everyone you cant see or know with your chosen color of bias and groupthink.
Kresking would be proud.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:41 pmWayne – Does a God of love have no rules of acceptable or moral behaviour – except those New Testament mandates from the Sermon on the Mount?? Does your God approve of hedonism and nihilism? Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
You should ask Foley, and George Bush about his Cocaine snorting to see if that’s what God approves of? What’s really sad, is that in your world god disapproves of two people who *love* each other, but is for Genocide, and torture. You’re a st*pid c*nt – child.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:41 pmLibs, stop calling this a funeral. This will be a celebration!!! God has brought his son home.
Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Yes! Yes! It is a CELEBRATION!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:42 pm(How ’bouts we celebrate again like we did last night?!)
Barfly – You could expose yourself as the poor reader you are all you want – just keep the curtains closed…..ick!!! How are things in Spring Valley?? Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Pure projection from the *wo(man)* who has p*n*s envy, and fantasizes about Genocide, Torture and murder. You’re a sick little terrorist sympathizing Nazi *gerl* – st*pid c*nt.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:42 pmDo you mean like the *hundreds* of murderers that have been exonerated posthumously and proven to be innocent? Yet they were *murdered* by you foaming at the mouth rabid wingnuts? Those *murderers*? The problem *child*, is unless you *know* someone did it – you don’t have any right to murder them. It’s morally wrong you hypocritical disgusting piece of hateful sh*t.
No, I mean murderers like Tookie Williams and Kaye Faye Tucker. Good riddance!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:43 pmBarfly – You could expose yourself as the poor reader you are all you want – just keep the curtains closed…..ick!!! Comment by valiant venus
As I thought. You lied about us wishing Falwell’s family ill. Just admit it.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:43 pmVVGFU – I don’t hate what you “stand for†– most of you stand for nothing – except what you can pilfer from other people…Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
See, this entire post is a hate filled smear, and indicative of exactly what I said.
Don’t flatter yourself – I feel sorry for you….nothing else.
Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
How generous of you, considering how much pity you generate from others. You really should feel sorry for yourself, there isn’t enough pity within you to cover your own needs, let alone share it with others. It’s the only time I’ve seen you be generous – you poor pathetic and st*pid little c*nt.
Tell me, are you still feeling nostalgic for the days when you defended our *friendship*, and your *admiration* of Al Qaeda when they were fighting the godless commies? Don’t you wish you could go back to communing with your fellow Islamic wingnuts? It must have you all confused to have to fight fellow Fascists that way!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:45 pmWas Falwell at the meeting with Bush yesterday, when they planned how they would further sell (pimp) the escalation of the war in Iraq from their pulpits?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:45 pmSpearation of church and state? Ever heard of it?
Not those guys — they would subvert it — a tenet of our Constitution.
No, I mean murderers like Tookie Williams and Kaye Faye Tucker. Good riddance! Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
So you’re OK with murdering innocent people, as long as you get a couple that you’re *sure* were murderers? How are you so sure? Innocent people have in fact been exonerated after confessing to crimes? So sure that you have a *right* to murder others? When are you joining Osama – you have *so-much* in common with him!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:46 pmFalwell’s lowest moment as a “blame America first” American: “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped [9/11] happen.’”
                           – Jerry Falwell, September 13, 2001, on The 700 Club
I’m sure one of you born-agains can think of some of his accomplishments.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:47 pmLibs, stop calling this a funeral. This will be a celebration!!! God has brought his son home. Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
You people are so schizoid! Your fellow wingnuts told us not to celebrate his death – and here you are encouraging us to be happy that the old hateful b*st*rd is dead. Which is it – child?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:48 pmCool news. Why do I feel that the world is a slightly better place for just this instant?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:50 pmI’m sure one of you born-agains can think of some of his accomplishments. Comment by Bluedog49 — May 15, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
That’s like valiant venus saying that we’re *hate-america* and *blame-america-first*, only for *her* to post that she didn’t agree with hardly anything America or the government did! These wingnuts are such a lunatic fringe bunch of fools.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:51 pmValiantVenusGrewFromUranus, you are on a roll!
May 15th, 2007 at 2:52 pmSo many Americans that are rightwing nuts are the way they are because of the teachings of Jerry Falwell… they dont believe in the ideals of Jesus nor the U.S. Constitution because of JERRY FALWELL… He HARMED America and Americans.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:52 pmYet neither you (nor anyone else) has shown any post where I’m ‘oppressing others for *my* interpretation of Christianity? ‘ Whatsamatter, can’t accept the challenge? Keep spouting your nonsense barfly.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:52 pmm12: “No, I mean murderers like Tookie Williams and Kaye Faye Tucker. Good riddance!”
Hmmm. I thought you christians believed in “redemption.” Karla Faye Tucker was a born-again christian who “found god” and repented for her sins. Why would a good christian say “Good riddance” about her? Please explain, m12.
As far as Tookie was concerned, there was a great deal of testimony about how he may have been innocent of the crime for which he was executed. And, since every time we look at death row inmates with DNA, we find some who have been wrongly convicted, I wouldn’t be too sure Tookie was guilty.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:53 pmLets hear a little more hatred for Falwell your Liberal god is listening
May 15th, 2007 at 2:53 pmSo valiant venus must agree with Falwell, that the reason we were attacked on 9-11 is because we’re a sinful nation and god punished us? Just more “blame-america-first” wingnut hypocrisy.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:53 pmMaybe Jerry will be reincarnated as a cockroach, sorry about that cockroaches.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:54 pm#265 — Bluedog49
That’s what I’ll remember most about Falwell.
My condolences to his family.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:54 pmThese wingnuts are such a lunatic fringe bunch of fools.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
Ya think?
American Wahabbism.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:54 pm“If you’re not a born-again Christian, you’re a failure as a human being.”
Jerry Falwell
May 15th, 2007 at 2:55 pmYet neither you (nor anyone else) has shown any post where I’m ‘oppressing others for *my* interpretation of Christianity? ‘ Whatsamatter, can’t accept the challenge? Keep spouting your nonsense barfly. Comment by Dale — May 15, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
So you’re for Gay Marriage and Abortion and abolition of the death penalty? Because other religious groups are.
Come on, can’t accept my challenge? Why do you want to oppress others Dale – did Roy make you that way?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:56 pmSo valiant venus must agree with Falwell, that the reason we were attacked on 9-11 is because we’re a sinful nation and god punished us? Just more “blame-america-first†wingnut hypocrisy.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus
More like American Talibanism. Who is the greatest threat to our U.S. Constitution? The Islam Taliban on the otherside of the planet or the American Taliban in Washington D.C. and around this country?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:56 pmLets hear a little more hatred for Falwell your Liberal god is listening Comment by radical1a — May 15, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
Well according to Falwell, God punished us for being liberal – so then spewing hate should get us to Heaven according to him. What do you think?
May 15th, 2007 at 2:57 pmMaybe you should read some of your hate-filled typing before you post it then. You are the most hateful troll on the site, attacking progressives at every turn. What a hypocritical, lying piece of scum. Take your indignation somewhere else.
Comment by Shane
Thanks. Couldn’t have put it better myself. The irony of someone whose every post drips with venom accusing all but “a few honorable liberals” of being filled with hate isn’t good, funny irony. It’s creepy.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:57 pmEveryone,
A few thoughtless people (Valiant Venus among others) think that the scattered gleeful comments about Falwell’s death posted here somehow invalidate liberalism. This is a logical fallacy (the ad hominem fallacy). It is akin to treating the Crusades or Inquisition as evidence of the immorality of Christianity, Pol Pot as evidence of the immorality of Communism, or the behavior of Tom Cruise as evidence of the falsity of Scientology. Anyone who has had a course in critical thinking in college should have learned this.
It’s certainly human nature when some individuals, on the left or right, rejoice in the suffering or death of individuals who accept opposing belief systems. The occasional comments here show only one thing, which no one ever doubted or could possibly doubt: that the individuals who read and post on TP are imperfect human beings, not perfect deities. The only way anyone can ever show the defects of liberalism–or conservatism, Christianity, communism, Confucianism, etc.–is to show the defects of the belief system. Pointing out the defects of the individuals who accept the belief system (an easy task for anyone with a high school education) is nothing but the ad hominem fallacy. But some critics of liberalism (Valiant Venus, among others) seem to be intellectually or morally incapable of learning this. Or perhaps it’s just a reflection of their poor education.
One could turn the tables on Valiant Venus and all like her, as follows. Your comments here against liberals show your own personal defects (in this case, the list might include a lack of critical thinking skills, poor education, poor moral character, and intellectual limitations). Should we liberals take your personal defects as evidence for the defects of conservatism? Unless you are a hypocrite (or, again, intellectually challenged), the answer cannot be no in this case but yes in the case of a few gleeful posts about Falwell as evidence of defects of liberalism.
The only logically and morally correct response is to feel sadness that a fellow human being has died. (This is the only correct spiritual response too.) But this feeling of sadness for the man Falwell is entirely compatible with a feeling of vast relief that the public figure Falwell, an enemy of enlightenment, civilization, reason, tolerance, and civic well-being is no longer with us to inflict further damage to the American body politic. Falwell, like many trolls here, was unable to acknowledge and obey the rules of civilized conduct, such as to exhibit intellectual and moral integrity, especially with opponents. His failure is an object lesson.
May 15th, 2007 at 2:58 pmDoes a God of love have no rules of acceptable or moral behaviour – except those New Testament mandates from the Sermon on the Mount?? Does your God approve of hedonism and nihilism? Comment by valiant venus
American Wahabbism.
Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 2:54 pm
Amen. Another sermon by Osama Bin Venus…
May 15th, 2007 at 2:58 pm-the Johnny Appleseed of Christofascism in Amerika, good night chubby Biblethumper
May 15th, 2007 at 2:59 pmSo if I’m for or against a particular position, it’s because I identify with a certain group? What if I’m for one position and against another? Please show any posts from me that identify with one particular religious group. Project much?
May 15th, 2007 at 3:00 pm#272
I am not a Christian.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:00 pmI am not a Christian.
Comment by m12
No, you are just stupid.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:02 pmwhy snark this? it just makes ‘us’ look bad.
Comment by mw — May 15, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
You don’t really think that matters to the libs here, do you?
——–
A God of love persecutes no one.
Comment by Wayne — May 15, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Exactly. We all make our own choices, so we have only ourselves to blame for where we end up, not God.
——–
“May all the Trolls, unwanted, unfriendly, ungratified, end up in the same place as their Holy Falwell.”
All Christians will end up where Falwell is. Are you a little pissed that he is Heaven and you are still stuck here?
——–
“Is this the rapture, or does that start after Wolfowitz is fired?”
Comment by Zimzone — May 15, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Don’t worry, when you the rapture occurs you will quickly realize it. You won’t need to ask.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:02 pmGerald Gibson Jr when was the last time that you defended the bill of rights , namely the first and second amendment . ie. a conservatives right to free speech , they are shouted down and run off campuses . liberal speech is the only one allowed on campus . If There was No Second Amendment there would be no other rights .
May 15th, 2007 at 3:05 pmI am also getting tired of hearing Liberals call Conservatives Nazis , if they were Liberals would be Soap and Lampshades.
#289
Good one! A 3 year old might be able to come up with something better.
Why can’t Falwell take a few leftwinged zealots with him?
May 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pm#284 – Thanks, Professor Colby. Well said, as always.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pmAre you a little pissed that he is Heaven and you are still stuck here?
Comment by just me
More American Wahabbism. Spare us the Heaven/Hell fairy tales.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pmI bind the devil that is in you. IN JESUS NAME!
Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
It’s interesting that Daryll is here, he usually only shows up when the subject is a gay person………hmmmmmmm
May 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pm#284
Thank you for so eloquently expressing my own feelings, you hit the nail on the head!
May 15th, 2007 at 3:08 pmThis friggin’ retard will tell you he isn’t a republican either.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:08 pm“All Christians will end up where Falwell is.”
Compost?
May 15th, 2007 at 3:09 pmRight or left winger, you should not wish death or bad things on anyone.
Comment by Valiantthehater
Said the neo-con bootlicker who supports the Chimp killing innocent Iraqis everyday!!!!!
May 15th, 2007 at 3:12 pmGood one! A 3 year old might be able to come up with something better.
Comment by m12
Anyone advocating nuclear attacks is stupid. Deal with it.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:12 pmSo if I’m for or against a particular position, it’s because I identify with a certain group? What if I’m for one position and against another? Please show any posts from me that identify with one particular religious group. Project much? Comment by Dale — May 15, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
The problem isn’t that you are *for* a position, it’s that you’re such a st*pid bigot that you believe you have a right to *force* others to comply with your position. You’re a religious wingnut – and I’m still waiting for you to demonstrate that you aren’t a religious bigot – so far *all* of your posts show that you are.
So the question is, do you believe you have a right to *force* others to comply with your positions on abortion, gay marriage and the death penalty – even though they disagree with you?
Don’t worry child, we all know the answer.
As for what *religion* you are – it’s a very safe bet you’re either an *evangelical* or that rarest of species the *wingnut-jew* (or both like Osama Bin Venus) – as those groups are the ones that sponsor the NeoCons.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:13 pmIt’s interesting that Daryll is here, he usually only shows up when the subject is a gay person………hmmmmmmm
Comment by Quadrajet — May 15, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
Don’t forget that *bondage* themes tend to shoot out of the poor lost child.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:13 pmI bind the devil that is in you. IN JESUS NAME!
Comment by Daryll — May 15, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
It’s interesting that Daryll is here, he usually only shows up when the subject is a gay person………hmmmmmmm
Comment by Quadrajet
Daryll can’t bind “the devil” within anyone without binding “the devil” within himself. I hope he’s prepared for that….
May 15th, 2007 at 3:13 pmCompost?
Comment by gorn by any other name
Im laughing so hard here at the lab.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:14 pmGood one! A 3 year old might be able to come up with something better.
Why can’t Falwell take a few leftwinged zealots with him?
Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
Leftwing zealots? What you mean the LaRouche people?
You wingnuts spend 400 million a year, as you have for the last 30 years, to *brand* liberalism as bad. Most Americans hold liberal values, but few identify as liberals. The sad party for you is that America is basically split 60-40, and you’re on the 40 side, thanks to your wingnut polarizing efforts. Get ready for 2008 – loser!
May 15th, 2007 at 3:15 pmGerald Gibson Jr when was the last time that you defended the bill of rights , namely the first and second amendment . ie. a conservatives right to free speech , they are shouted down and run off campuses . liberal speech is the only one allowed on campus . If There was No Second Amendment there would be no other rights .
I am also getting tired of hearing Liberals call Conservatives Nazis , if they were Liberals would be Soap and Lampshades.
Comment by radical1a
All you have to do is ask those other regulars on this site… they know I DO defend the right to bear arms BECAUSE of run away governments like this bush administration… lefties go too far in thinking guns are the root of all evil… I ALSO defend the right of christians to talk about Jesus … I know what you mean… I was a christian growing up and was shuned as a dork… but that was because I WAS a dork… I followed the churches teaching and acted like Jesus had to be brought up in EVERY situation like a brain washed robot… The christians that act that way bring it on themselves they DONT get bombed like abortion doctors do … they DONT get burned at the stake like pagans did… they just get shuned… if you dont like it then stop acting like dorks… RELIGION does not apply in ALL situations….
May 15th, 2007 at 3:15 pmHow sad for his family and friends and shocking for the rest of us.
Thank God it happened after my recent family get-together, the fundies would have driven me nuts. They still haven’t forgiven me for the “The Moral Majority is Neither” bumper sticker on my car.
I wonder what kind of sappy-out-of-touch-with-reality statement Bush will make.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:15 pmOh, that’s it, so you make any inane comment you want, then expect me to *prove* otherwise? No thanks… I’d think the onus is on *you* to prove your ‘observations’.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:17 pmAll Christians will end up where Falwell is. Are you a little pissed that he is Heaven and you are still stuck here?
Comment by just me — May 15, 2007 @ 3:02 pm
If Heaven is where bigots like Jerry Falwell and his type go, I have no intentions of going there.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:17 pmDaryll can’t bind “the devil†within anyone without binding “the devil†within himself. I hope he’s prepared for that…. Comment by Zooey — May 15, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
He’s probably never heard of the “Lucifer-Effect”, first described by the Stanford Prison Experiment.
http://www.prisonexp.org/links.htm
The *devil* is a psychological premise that represents the darker nature of *all* human beings. It’s a placeholder for the vile and venom that people like Osama Bin Venus thinks is *good* values.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:17 pmIf there is a Hell, Jerry Falwell is barbecuing slowly there.
With an apple in his mouth. Oink! Oink!
May 15th, 2007 at 3:18 pmDaryll can’t bind “the devil†within anyone without binding “the devil†within himself. I hope he’s prepared for that….
Comment by Zooey — May 15, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
I wonder if he’s using cheese, I’ve heard that’s binding……
May 15th, 2007 at 3:19 pmThe reich wingnuts spend $400 million a year just to demonize Librrruls??
Wow, I didn’t know we were that much of a threat to them. LOL!!
May 15th, 2007 at 3:19 pm“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” (Mat 7:15)
“Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Mat 7:20)
“It is the responsibility of…every evangelical Christian
…to get serious about re-electing President Bush.”
Jerry Falwell, The New York Times, July 16, 2004
Because he’s done such a good job, donchaknow.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:20 pmJerry Falwell will have trouble mouldering in his grave.
The worms and maggots won’t have him.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:20 pmI wonder if he’s using cheese, I’ve heard that’s binding……
Comment by Quadrajet — May 15, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
Heh. It would be more interesting with cheese, not to mention delicious. :-D
May 15th, 2007 at 3:21 pm#305
Hardly. America has not wanted anything to do with liberalism since the 60s, and they aren’t changing now.
2008 will come. I still got some vintage stuff to drink from 1994!
May 15th, 2007 at 3:22 pmOops, I shouldn’t be Yenta on the Falwell thread. :P
May 15th, 2007 at 3:23 pmDind dong, the witch is dead.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:24 pmI am not a Christian.
Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
So, you’re a rare wingnut jew – like Osama Bin Venus? Ah, the shame of the Jews – to have NeoNazis be such high profile representatives of their people. You know, hateful, conservative wingnuts like yourself are why Churchill says that Germany hated the Jews so much they wanted to exterminate them. You do generate a lot of hate, but I blame Hitler and the Conservative Christians more than I blame enablers like you. That’s just a cop out. It’s easy to see how someone who’s naive and innocent might blame someone like you or Osama Bin Venus as *representing* Judaism though and thinking it’s an evil religion. Kind of like how people want to blame Osama Bin Laden as representing Islam.
Amazing how some 70 years later, here you are, trying to work to a place to *genocide* Islam, just like Hitler tried to genocide Judaism. Irony indeed.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:25 pmThe Deevil, mulling over what to do about Fallwell, internets over to Think Progress, and discovers…
FONDUE!
(’Demon with the longest stick gets the first poke.’)
May 15th, 2007 at 3:25 pmEveryone,
A few thoughtless people (Valiant Venus among others) think that the scattered gleeful comments about Falwell’s death posted here somehow invalidate liberalism. This is a logical fallacy (the ad hominem fallacy). It is akin to treating the Crusades or Inquisition as evidence of the immorality of Christianity, Pol Pot as evidence of the immorality of Communism, or the behavior of Tom Cruise as evidence of the falsity of Scientology. Anyone who has had a course in critical thinking in college should have learned this.
It’s certainly human nature when some individuals, on the left or right, rejoice in the suffering or death of individuals who accept opposing belief systems. The occasional comments here show only one thing, which no one ever doubted or could possibly doubt: that the individuals who read and post on TP are imperfect human beings, not perfect deities. The only way anyone can ever show the defects of liberalism–or conservatism, Christianity, communism, Confucianism, etc.–is to show the defects of the belief system. Pointing out the defects of the individuals who accept the belief system (an easy task for anyone with a high school education) is nothing but the ad hominem fallacy. But some critics of liberalism (Valiant Venus, among others) seem to be intellectually or morally incapable of learning this. Or perhaps it’s just a reflection of their poor education.
One could turn the tables on Valiant Venus and all like her, as follows. Your comments here against liberals show your own personal defects (in this case, the list might include a lack of critical thinking skills, poor education, poor moral character, and intellectual limitations). Should we liberals take your personal defects as evidence for the defects of conservatism? Unless you are a hypocrite (or, again, intellectually challenged), the answer cannot be no in this case but yes in the case of a few gleeful posts about Falwell as evidence of defects of liberalism.
The only logically and morally correct response is to feel sadness that a fellow human being has died. (This is the only correct spiritual response too.) But this feeling of sadness for the man Falwell is entirely compatible with a feeling of vast relief that the public figure Falwell, an enemy of enlightenment, civilization, reason, tolerance, and civic well-being is no longer with us to inflict further damage to the American body politic. Falwell, like many trolls here, was unable to acknowledge and obey the rules of civilized conduct, such as to exhibit intellectual and moral integrity, especially with opponents. His failure is an object lesson.
Comment by Prof. Mark Colby — May 15, 2007 @ 2:58 pm
Actually Prof. what you describe is the “secundum quid” fallacy.
Come on people, let’s get our fallacies straight.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:25 pmThey are working on it. Apparently you haven’t heard about or seen the Haliburton built interment camps yet.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:27 pmThe reich wingnuts spend $400 million a year just to demonize Librrruls??
Wow, I didn’t know we were that much of a threat to them. LOL!!
Comment by Tom3 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
Yes, they’ve spent that much for the last 30 years. Guy Saperstein has a nice article on alternet that breaks it down.
http://alternet.org/story/51840/
All they’ve done is completely destroyed the *centrist* voters, and polarized the country. Unfortunately for them, more people disagree with Conservative values, than agree with them when it comes to public policy. They’re reaching a point where their only hope is to do what that wingnut was describing a couple of weeks ago, and overthrow the government or subvert the elections entirely if they want to hold onto power…
May 15th, 2007 at 3:27 pm#308
Is it really surprising to see lefties celebrating the man’s death? They made a movie about assassinating the President of the United States.
I’m sure many on this site jerk off to the film on a frequent basis.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:27 pmHardly. America has not wanted anything to do with liberalism since the 60s, and they aren’t changing now.
2008 will come. I still got some vintage stuff to drink from 1994!
Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
Oh, dear st*pid child. Despite the 400 million a year in marketing you conservatives have done to try to convince Americans of this – over 50% of Americans lean Democratic, whereas just over 30% lean Republican.
The demographics have completely shifted away from you, yet you’re still drinking that 400 million dollar koolaid!!! Dum bass!
May 15th, 2007 at 3:29 pm“I still got some vintage stuff to drink from 1994!” –m12
Bragging about savoring warm piss is not going to win you any points around here.
Why don’t you drink it out of a glass slipper, Cinderella?
May 15th, 2007 at 3:29 pmHey everybody, there is a new Falwell thread for us to argue on.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:32 pmComment by Prof. Mark Colby — Well said professor.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:32 pmIs it really surprising to see lefties celebrating the man’s death? They made a movie about assassinating the President of the United States.
I’m sure many on this site jerk off to the film on a frequent basis.
Comment by m12
You are surprised because you believe people like Rush Limbaugh. Stop believing your own fantasies and you wont be surprised so often…
It is in vain, sir, to extentuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace–but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
May 15th, 2007 at 3:33 pmApologists, get real. An evil political opportunist that has caused much damage to our country is dead. This should be a national day of celebration.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:33 pmThe world lost one of the most prominent and visible hypocrites the world has ever seen today. No gloating, just fact.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:33 pmActually Prof. what you describe is the “secundum quid†fallacy.
Come on people, let’s get our fallacies straight.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
Actually it’s a deductive fallacy in general. Aristotle called it an “unqualified generalization”, and that’s where the “secundum quid” terminology is ultimately derived from.
But why the *pretense* of intellect? Instead use standard English and simply say.
That’s a Gross Generalization and Misrepresentation of the situation. Or are you just trying to *pretend* to be smart in order to avoid the “fallacies” of your own posts?
May 15th, 2007 at 3:34 pmThis man was wrong about everything.Mistaken as mistaken goes.Not an example for his fellow citizens.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:34 pm“I still got some vintage stuff to drink from 1994!†–m12
Bragging about savoring warm piss is not going to win you any points around here.
Why don’t you drink it out of a glass slipper, Cinderella?
Comment by Paul in LA
Well, thanks for clearing that up. I was having a difficult time figuring out what “vintage stuff” from 1994 might be. I couldn’t believe that Thunderbird lasted that long.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:34 pm“They made a movie about assassinating the President of the United States.”
Oh do you mean our first war criminal president? George and Dick re going to off themselves before the year is up.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:35 pmIs it really surprising to see lefties celebrating the man’s death? They made a movie about assassinating the President of the United States. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
Actually your wingnut friend Daryll was the one that suggested we *celebrate* his death.
I’m sure many on this site jerk off to the film on a frequent basis.
Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
Pure projection. Snuff films seem more to your tastes – wingnut.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:35 pmWell I guess ol’ Jer is gonna get to see the Magical Invisible Man in the Sky…oh wait he can’t, cause it is made up, a fairy tale, an old story made up by primative tribes that had about a big a grasp of reality as a Jackass.
He is just gonna be recycled now into stardust, just hope that stardust makes a better being next time around.
Sorry for his family, but not for him, I was hoping he would have croaked years ago.
Hating Valiant Douche Bag Scum Sucking Subhuman Knuckle Dragging Bottomfeeder daily, oh, and the rest of you repukian scum too
May 15th, 2007 at 3:35 pmNo comment… Good or bad.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:36 pmComment by Prof. Mark Colby — Well said professor.
Comment by JTitor — May 15, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
I don’t think he’s a real professor. He got his “ad hominem” and his “secundum quid” mixed up.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:37 pmOne less hatemonger in the world. God Bless.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:37 pmI’m sure many on this site jerk off to the film on a frequent basis.
Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:27 pm
Are you implying that most of the posters here are male? Or are you just projecting your own sex life?
May 15th, 2007 at 3:39 pmAnyways, nice derailing of a Jerry Falwell is dead thread,…….fred!
I don’t think he’s a real professor. He got his “ad hominem†and his “secundum quid†mixed up. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Actually the professor was right, and you’re wrong. Because the post by Osama Bin Venus was a plethora of fallacies, including an Ad Hominem. But I wouldn’t expect you to notice – being a wingnut with only a *cursory* understanding of logic.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:40 pmThat’s a Gross Generalization and Misrepresentation of the situation. Or are you just trying to *pretend* to be smart in order to avoid the “fallacies†of your own posts?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 3:34 pm
Well no, ya see, even if we use vulgar terminology such as “hasty generalization” it is not an ad hominem. Or would you prefer me to say “argument against the man”… jackass.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:40 pmToodles and GOOD RIDDANCE!
May 15th, 2007 at 3:41 pmI don’t think he’s a real professor. He got his “ad hominem†and his “secundum quid†mixed up. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Actually the professor was right, and you’re wrong. Because the post by Osama Bin Venus was a plethora of fallacies, including an Ad Hominem. But I wouldn’t expect you to notice – being a wingnut with only a *cursory* understanding of logic.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Did I say anything about the post from Osama Bin Venus… let me check… No… Why? Because that b!tch is twitty. No, I said:
Actually PROF. what YOU describe is the “secundum quid†fallacy.
I didn’t say shit about your butt-buddy ObV
May 15th, 2007 at 3:42 pmIt’s people like our troll, Darryl, and Rev. Falwell that have made me the staunch agnostic that I am.
Thanks, guys. Keep up the good work.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:43 pm#323,
Yes, it is also the fallacy of secundum quid or hasty generalization. A piece of sophistry can mask as genuine reasoning but involve multiple fallacies at once (and, for what it’s worth, there is philosophical disagreement over the fallacies themselves). But I have enough difficulty trying to teach recalcitrant people like Valiant Venus the more elementary fallacies, like the ad hominem fallacy, so I avoid more complicated evaluations and rebuttals of their mistakes in reasoning. However, if you have sufficient mastery of informal logic to do this, I welcome an alliance against sophistry and illogic everywhere.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:43 pm#337
It wasn’t the wingnuts (who support the President) who made a movie about shooting him.
Nope, it was the violent radical left.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:44 pmm12
“I’m sure many on this site jerk off to the film on a frequent basis.”
Nice!!
I’m sure many on your side of the political arena jack off to Falwell’s “The Clinton Chronicles” as well eh?
May 15th, 2007 at 3:44 pmm12, if you are male and Jewish, old Jerry had you on the shortlist:
http://www.slate.com/id/45483/
May 15th, 2007 at 3:45 pm#342
I’m not implying anything, other than the fact that moonbats are a bloodthirsty bunch.
Not surpring. You’ve been out of power for years!
May 15th, 2007 at 3:47 pmmay you all rot in Hell.
Comment by Happy Guy
Sorry, I don’t believe in Hell. It hard to be afraid of something that I believe does not exist. So there!!!!!
May 15th, 2007 at 3:48 pm#323,
Yes, it is also the fallacy of secundum quid or hasty generalization. A piece of sophistry can mask as genuine reasoning but involve multiple fallacies at once (and, for what it’s worth, there is philosophical disagreement over the fallacies themselves). But I have enough difficulty trying to teach recalcitrant people like Valiant Venus the more elementary fallacies, like the ad hominem fallacy, so I avoid more complicated evaluations and rebuttals of their mistakes in reasoning. However, if you have sufficient mastery of informal logic to do this, I welcome an alliance against sophistry and illogic everywhere.
Comment by Prof. Mark Colby — May 15, 2007 @ 3:43 pm
Very true, many times fallacious arguments overlap. I do see your point, Okay, we will start with the basics, Professor.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:48 pmDid I say anything about the post from Osama Bin Venus… let me check… No… Why? Because that b!tch is twitty. No, I said:
Actually PROF. what YOU describe is the “secundum quid†fallacy.
I didn’t say shit about your butt-buddy ObV
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Ironic, this post from you uses the same diction, grammar and writing style as Osama Bin Venus does. Even more ironic, is that you’re too st*pid to know that the PROF.’s post that you criticized was a critique of the post from Osama Bin Venus.
And I corrected you, because your statement implies that the post by Mizzz Venus was ONLY a “secundum quid”, and I’m correcting you. While you could argue that the post is a representation of “secundum quid”, it is also an Ad Hominem, as it’s based on prejudice against liberals.
So once again, stop pretending to be *smart* Venus, because you aren’t.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:49 pm#349
Not especially. I didn’t hate Bill Clinton. He had enough dignity not to toe the homosexual agenda.
And even if you didn’t like the Chronicles, well, at least Clinton wasn’t shot in them.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:50 pmIt wasn’t the wingnuts (who support the President) who made a movie about shooting him.
Nope, it was the violent radical left.
Comment by m12
Wasnt it a british filM?
May 15th, 2007 at 3:50 pmIt wasn’t the wingnuts (who support the President) who made a movie about shooting him. Nope, it was the violent radical left. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
No, you wingnuts made a SNUFF movie, showing the torture and murder of Jesus. What’s your point – hypocritical wingnut?
May 15th, 2007 at 3:50 pmI’m not implying anything, other than the fact that moonbats are a bloodthirsty bunch. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Pure projection, from the wingnut that jakes off to snuff films…
Not surpring. You’ve been out of power for years!
Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Actually we’re *in* power (congress right now), and we held the presidency a mere 6 years ago. It’s you who *fear* being out of power for years – as you should – wingnut.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:52 pmHell is an invention to keep simple minds inline, looks like it works on Happy Guy.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:52 pmNot especially. I didn’t hate Bill Clinton. He had enough dignity not to toe the homosexual agenda. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
Ah, another self loathing homosexual jewish man – how sad for you!
And even if you didn’t like the Chronicles, well, at least Clinton wasn’t shot in them. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
No, but that’s what you were hoping for – right wingnut?
May 15th, 2007 at 3:53 pmIm laughing so hard here at the lab.
Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
You’ll be needing that sense of humor. :)
May 15th, 2007 at 3:53 pmWasnt it a british filM?
Yep, made by your counterparts across the Atlantic. They have their share of moonbats as well.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:53 pmVery true, many times fallacious arguments overlap. I do see your point, Okay, we will start with the basics, Professor. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
Go learn them first – idiot.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:53 pmI corrected you, because your statement implies that the post by Mizzz Venus was ONLY a “secundum quidâ€, and I’m correcting you.
You must have not have understood, what I said was:
Actually Prof. what you describe is the “secundum quid†fallacy.
I said this based on what I read in his post. Did you read his post? Because therein you will find a description of the secundum quid fallacy labeled as an ad hominem.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:54 pm#357
Mel Gibson is one of your ilk. He doesn’t like the President.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:55 pmWasnt it a british filM?
Comment by ggibson — May 15, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
Hehe, yes it was. But that sort of *reality* doesn’t sit well with the wingnuts that *hate* how reality has a *librul* bias!! ;)
May 15th, 2007 at 3:55 pmFor some of you to slam Christianity for how people misuse it, isn’t right. It isn’t the message; maybe it’s the messenger. Christianity has been used by politicians to distort and manipulate people to advance a particular end since BC. We all have morals because of what is right and correct. These morals are based on faith that there is something more to this existence. If we all believed that there was nothing that guides society to be moral and law abiding, then we would have a constant chaos…. anarchy. Those that do not believe in a God, because you can’t see it, or it doesn’t talk to you, doesn’t mean that there isn’t more that we don’t understand.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:55 pmOh and m12, and the rest of you wingnuts that kept posting your b*llsh*t links on the *polls* about congress. Eat this – *ssh*les.
Congress Job Ratings:
Democrats: 35% Good, 50% Fair/Poor
Repukes: 22% Good, 74% Fair/Poor
Do you think it is good for the country the Democrats are in charge?
51% Good, 37% Bad, 9% Neither, 3% Unsure
Pollingreport.com
May 15th, 2007 at 3:56 pm#360
I don’t hope for any President to be shot. Your side does. You made a movie about it.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:56 pmI said this based on what I read in his post. Did you read his post? Because therein you will find a description of the secundum quid fallacy labeled as an ad hominem. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 3:54 pm
And that’s where you’re wrong, because the post is *both* an Ad Hominem and “Secundum quid”. You said the Prof. was wrong, and it fact it is *you* that’s wrong, as your fallacy is itself a “secundum quid”, which is that you’ve generalized the post as a specific point, and oversimplified the analysis. Ironic eh?
May 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pmI don’t hope for any President to be shot. Your side does. You made a movie about it. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
We made the movie? BAHAHAHAHA, the *movie* was made in England – *we* had nothing to do with it – you st*pid lying Jake*ss.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pmYou’ll be needing that sense of humor. :)
Comment by just me
All religious fairy tales have been wrong and always will be. Belief doesnt make something true… otherwise I would believe I am riding on the back of a dragon right now…
May 15th, 2007 at 3:59 pmMel Gibson is one of your ilk. He doesn’t like the President.
Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Mel Gibson is a Conservative Catholic that hates liberals, you moronic piece of filth.
May 15th, 2007 at 3:59 pmYou’ll be needing that sense of humor. :)
Comment by just me
Dont worry about me, Allighieri.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:00 pmYep, made by your counterparts across the Atlantic. They have their share of moonbats as well. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
What do people in foreign countries, have to do with us? So if a Conservative in say Poland talks about how the world should murder all Homosexuals and liberals – then they represent you and your personal point of view? BAHAHAHA, you’re such a st*pid little twit.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:00 pmI don’t hope for any President to be shot. Your side does. You made a movie about it.Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:56 pm
Murdering people is more your speed. We just want him impeached, and sent to jail…
May 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pmI don’t hope for any President to be shot. Your side does. You made a movie about it.
Comment by m12
You can keep saying that… it wont make it any more real than your religion. The guy who made it specifically said he wasnt out to trash bush and made the point that he didnt make bush look bad in the movie…
May 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pmNot especially. I didn’t hate Bill Clinton. He had enough dignity not to toe the homosexual agenda.
Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 3:50 pm
Is that anything like The Liberal Agenda?
May 15th, 2007 at 4:01 pmWhy do any of you people respond to a nitwit like M12?
May 15th, 2007 at 4:02 pmMore American Wahabbism.
Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
That the best you got? Don’t be foolish.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:03 pmFor some of you to slam Christianity for how people misuse it
Comment by JTitor
Christians brought it on themselves… if people didnt have witch burnings… crusades… iron maidens…. nazis… jerry falwell to point to they would have no reason to say these things… but all those things DID happen… you reap what you soe… didnt you know?
May 15th, 2007 at 4:03 pmm12,
“I don’t hope for any President to be shot. Your side does. You made a movie about it.”
Nice. If someone makes art about it, then they must want it to happen?
At then end of Tom Cliny’s “debt of Honor” a lone terrorist drives a 747 into the Capitol Building during the State of the Union address effectively destroying nearly every elected member of the US government. So by your argument, Tom Clancy wants that to happen?
That’s DUMB!!
May 15th, 2007 at 4:03 pm#373
He isn’t Conservative at all. He’s a cut and run defeatocrat much like yourself.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:03 pmZooey #377,
Great Point
m12,
Maybe you could illuminate us with your awesome intellect on just what the homosexual agenda is. That way we can have a good discussion about it.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:05 pmWhy do any of you people respond to a nitwit like M12?
Comment by kelso — May 15, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Same reason cats play with mice before they eat them…
May 15th, 2007 at 4:05 pm#376
If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. He could have easily made the movie about a fictional President, but he wanted masturbation material.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:06 pm#381
I have no idea what Tom Clancy was, but he wasn’t talking about specific actions done to specific people.
If someone made a movie called “Rape of Crump’s Brother’s Children”, I doubt you’d be too happy about it.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:09 pmHe isn’t Conservative at all. He’s a cut and run defeatocrat much like yourself. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:03 pm
You’re talking about Gibson? BAHAHAAHAHAHAHA, he’s a complete wingnut like you! You’re just mad at him because he’s anti-semitic, and a wingnut jew like yourself always assumes that means he’s a *librul*, even though almost 90% of Jews vote Democrat! Sorry, chump, but just like Hitler was a Conservative Catholic – so’s Gibson!
May 15th, 2007 at 4:10 pmIf you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you. He could have easily made the movie about a fictional President, but he wanted masturbation material. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
How often do you masturbate to it?
May 15th, 2007 at 4:10 pmMr. President,
I’d like to make one more point and raise a question.
The point is this: given the countless logical fallacies I find posted here (particularly by trolls, since they’re the ones who tend to be critical of the articles), I would consider it a major breakthrough if trolls were able to recognize, and refrain from committing, even a few of the more fundamental fallacies. But I delude myself with incorrigible optimism….
The question is this, and I mean it in all sincerity: you were intellectually capable enough to recognize that another fallacy was involved in Valiant Venus’ post, so why is it that so many of your other posts recently have been so intellectually deficient, amounting to no more than baiting, invective, name-calling, inflammatory rhetoric, and the like, as well as fallacy-ridden? Were I suspicious, I would think you’re not whom you say you are, as ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus has suggested about you. (If so, this is a good reason for TP to require some form of identity validation.)
By the way, I take the life of the mind seriously (it’s my religion) and I post here in all seriousness to make my own small contribution. Questioning my integrity or competence (as you did, perhaps unintentionally) undermines this. So search under my name at the Columbia and Rutgers websites, and you’ll find me.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:10 pmSo m12, tell me. Where exactly in the Torah does it tell you that you should be a hate filled, piece of lying sh*t?
May 15th, 2007 at 4:11 pm#388
Never. I support our great Commander in Chief. But I know a couple of moonbats that do.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:11 pmI have no idea what Tom Clancy was, but he wasn’t talking about specific actions done to specific people. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Once again, irrelevant. You still haven’t answered my questions. Do the hate filled right wing Islamic terrorists represent you? Because you claim that foreign *liberals* represent us.
If someone made a movie called “Rape of Crump’s Brother’s Childrenâ€, I doubt you’d be too happy about it. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Once again, do the wingnuts in the Islamic world represent you? Because that’s the same comparison – wingnut.
Then again, they represented you *well*, when they fought against Communism? Right? Hypocrite.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:13 pm#387
Nope. I’m not Jewish. I don’t like Mel Gibson because he is a leftwing loser like yourself.
Gibson reveals he used present day American politics as an inspiration, claiming the government callously plays on the nation’s insecurities to maintain power.
He tells British film magazine Hotdog, “The fear-mongering we depict in the film reminds me of President Bush and his guys”.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:14 pmNever. I support our great Commander in Chief. But I know a couple of moonbats that do. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
We support his impeachment – because he isn’t great, albeit he is the commander in chief. He’s unworthy of the role as president, and should be removed for his high crimes.
You are unworthy of citizenship, as you show nothing but anti-american sentiments. Tell me, is your allegiance to Israel or America – that’s the same question I asked Venus. She of course has her allegiance to Israel – might I guess you are the same?
The really *sad* part, is that Israelis for the most part think crazy wingnuts like you are lunatics. They don’t want your *support* if it means you help annihilate them through your st*pidity.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:16 pmNope. I’m not Jewish. I don’t like Mel Gibson because he is a leftwing loser like yourself. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
Sorry, Mel Gibson is a Conservative Christian – it’s why his family moved to Australia – the US was too *librul*.
Gibson reveals he used present day American politics as an inspiration, claiming the government callously plays on the nation’s insecurities to maintain power. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
Quote.
He tells British film magazine Hotdog, “The fear-mongering we depict in the film reminds me of President Bush and his guysâ€.
Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
Link.
May I remind you that there are *tons* of quotes from him about his religious and political convictions…
May 15th, 2007 at 4:17 pmSorry m12, but Gibson is a wingnut Fascist just like you are!
So tell me m12, what *religion* are you exactly?
May 15th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Comment by Prof. Mark Colby — May 15, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
I would be VERY interested to hear Mr President’s answer to your comment, Professor Colby.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:20 pmD’Souza argues that bin Laden has been enraged by American liberal groups’ overseas distribution of contraceptives.
Whaddya know Bin Laden has been enraged by Republican massage therapist Tobias…
Does your God approve of hedonism and nihilism? Comment by valiant venus
You are saying that you spoke to God V V? You are telling me that your God is the God of all children of the world. Correct? And then did not your God create this world of problems? Think about that for more than a few minutes V V.
May 15th, 2007 at 4:40 pmDid he come back from the dead yet?
May 15th, 2007 at 4:43 pm@Can-O-Whoop-Ass
it takes three days, doesn’t it?
May 15th, 2007 at 4:50 pmHey Hypocrits. Death is death… You sound like the “pro lifers /anti-choicers” who support the death penalty and war. Whether it’s Saddam, Fallwell, an Iraqi or a GI, everyone deserves some condolences. It is not a celabratory event (unless your Irish). If there is a god, Fallwell will be getting what he deserves. Maybe his liver will be pecked out by birds for eternity?
May 15th, 2007 at 5:07 pmm12: “I support our great Commander in Chief.”
Theodore Roosevelt: “Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official…”
May 15th, 2007 at 5:14 pmThis thread makes me feel even better about being an Atheist…. Just further proof that religion is pointless, divisive and spiteful.
Jerry Fallwell was a horrible human being. I feel no remorse in his death – just pity for those who loved him. Fortunately for him, however, there’s just nothing now.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:16 pmGood thing that there’s no God…or else Falwell would go straight to hell.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:18 pm#402
I agree. Which is why I will not stand by General Pelosi and the cut and run Congress.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:19 pm#396
I am not a religious man. Mel Gibson might be, but he sure as hell isn’t a Republican.
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/05/12/mel_gibson_compares_president_bush_to_ba
May 15th, 2007 at 5:23 pmDid he come back from the dead yet?
Comment by Can-O-Whoop-Ass — May 15, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
@Can-O-Whoop-Ass
it takes three days, doesn’t it?
Comment by thathz — May 15, 200
That is too funny!!!!!!!
May 15th, 2007 at 5:24 pmWe support his impeachment – because he isn’t great, albeit he is the commander in chief. He’s unworthy of the role as president, and should be removed for his high crimes.
You are free to believe whatever you wish. Unfortunately for you, it is John Kerry who the American people found unworthy.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:24 pmI feel now sorrow over the death of his man, nor am I happy, for his legacy of fear, bigotry and greed will live on in his stead. That someone could so utterly corrupt people without a second thought, profit from it, and use it to spread so much hatred. The fact that such behavior is contrary to all that the religion in whose name he acted instructs is loathsome.
Being an atheist, I know he is now just dust, and there is no everlasting peace and love for him to bask in. The just part of me hopes that if he (and others of faith) is right, he is burning in a more imaginable hell than he ever conceived for all the misery he has spread.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:28 pmThis is the BEST NEWS I’ve heard since last fall’s midterm election results. One of the principle leaders of the Amerikan Taliban is gone. Good riddence! May the other members follow suit quickly.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:29 pmYou are free to believe whatever you wish. Unfortunately for you, it is John Kerry who the American people found unworthy. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Actually 2006 showed the American People have found Bush unworthy. Not enough of them fully realized what a big f*ck up he was in 2004, but that’s different now. And I hate to *educate* you on this, child, but *every* president that’s impeached is first elected – it’s no conclusion that they find him *unworthy* to be elected, only unworthy to remain there! You’re really st*pid, aren’t you child?
May 15th, 2007 at 5:30 pmI am not a religious man. Mel Gibson might be, but he sure as hell isn’t a Republican.
http://www.starpulse.com/ news/ index.php/ 2006/ 05/ 12/ mel_gibson_compares_president_bush_to_ba
Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
Well he’s a Conservative, so he sure as hell isn’t a Democrat – dum bass.
And I hate to point this out to you wingnut, but most *conservatives* agree with Gibson on this, and don’t believe you wingnuts *are* in fact *conservatives*. You’re the fringe radical right, and they all think you are crazy – and you *are*.
As for you not being religious – bahahaha, and you’re a conservative? That’s really st*pid of you!
May 15th, 2007 at 5:32 pm#284 – “….This is a logical fallacy (the ad hominem fallacy). It is akin to treating the Crusades or Inquisition as evidence of the immorality of Christianity, Pol Pot as evidence of the immorality of Communism, or the behavior of Tom Cruise as evidence of the falsity of Scientology. Anyone who has had a course in critical thinking in college should have learned this……………..The only logically and morally correct response is to feel sadness that a fellow human being has died. (This is the only correct spiritual response too.) But this feeling of sadness for the man Falwell is entirely compatible with a feeling of vast relief that the public figure Falwell, an enemy of enlightenment, civilization, reason, tolerance, and civic well-being is no longer with us to inflict further damage to the American body politic.” Comment by Prof Mark Colby
Well, my dear friend, Professor Colby attacks the argument I made in which I used postings from this thread to illustrate a NUMBER (not ALL) of intolerant “Progressives”. Then our illustrious guest educator labels Jerry Falwell an “enemy” who can no longer “inflict damage to the American body politic – while railing against ad hominem attack……..Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?
Jerry Falwell believed licentious and hedonistic morals common today were a grave danger to our culture. Perhaps you disagree. The explosion of the drug culture and sexual promiscuity has done nothing to enhance American culture. Sadly, the burgeoning number of illegitimate children will keep our prison and court system “in business”.
When you examine what the “loose” moral values of “anything goes” has done to society, I am shocked such an esteemed “thinker” and philosophical giant would condemn a dead man for his promotion of honesty, importance of character, and traditional family.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:33 pmI agree. Which is why I will not stand by General Pelosi and the cut and run Congress. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 5:19 pm
Oh, poor child, don’t insult Pelosi that way – she pays the *salaries* of the Generals, and she gives them the permission to go to *war*. Don’t demean her by lowering her status to a *general*. It’s called the *constitution*, in fact it’s Article *1* of the Constitution. Congress controls the right to go to war – congress giveth, congress taketh away.
As for the cut-and-run rhetoric, that only works on mentally r*t*rded idiots like *you*. We already won the war, now we’ve squandered the occupation – two different things, st*pid little child. When you get out of diapers, and learn to form a constructive argument suitable for *debate*, come back and talk to us. This talking point rhetoric only works on those with weak, and st*pid minds like yours…
May 15th, 2007 at 5:34 pm“D’Souza argues that bin Laden has been enraged by American liberal groups’ overseas distribution of contraceptives.”
Like conservatives, bin Laden is against promiscuity. Like liberals he hates America. He’s just a middle of the road kind of guy isn’t he.
“You are saying that you spoke to God V V? You are telling me that your God is the God of all children of the world. Correct? And then did not your God create this world of problems? Think about that for more than a few minutes V V.”
Comment by Zep Tepi — May 15, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
C’mon ZT, everyone knows that God created a perfect world. Man chose to go against God and screwed it all up. And it’s a fine mess we’ve gotten ourselves into isn’t it.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:35 pmHot damn! Falwell dies, Tinky Winky lives. You gotta love it.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:35 pmC’mon ZT, everyone knows that God created a perfect world. Man chose to go against God and screwed it all up. And it’s a fine mess we’ve gotten ourselves into isn’t it.
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Who are these “everyone” people?
Sorry, not “everyone” knows that shit.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:42 pmIN his honor, Tinky-Wink is producing a replica of Falwell for collectors:
The TelevangelisTubby!!
May 15th, 2007 at 5:42 pmWho are these “everyone†people?
Sorry, not “everyone†knows that shit.
Comment by Zooey — May 15, 2007 @ 5:42 pm
Sorry, should have said everyone knows but some choose to ignore/deny. ;)
May 15th, 2007 at 5:44 pmWell, my dear friend, Professor Colby attacks the argument I made in which I used postings from this thread to illustrate a NUMBER (not ALL) of intolerant “Progressivesâ€. Then our illustrious guest educator labels Jerry Falwell an “enemy†who can no longer “inflict damage to the American body politic – while railing against ad hominem attack……..Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E? family.
Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Oh, dear st*pid c*nt – you have no *friends*….
You made a series of fallacious attacks as always – and they’re hypocritical as always. Yet you remain incapable of seeing your own hypocrisy, while falsely claiming others express your deviant and childish perspectives.
Jerry Falwell believed licentious and hedonistic morals common today were a grave danger to our culture. Perhaps you disagree. The explosion of the drug culture and sexual promiscuity has done nothing to enhance American culture. Sadly, the burgeoning number of illegitimate children will keep our prison and court system “in businessâ€. family. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Oh please. Falwell had no trouble with licentiousness – he loved all sorts of deviances, just as you do! Like you, he adored hatred, bigotry, misogyny, racism and any number of bigoted values all of which add up to licentiousness.
As for the people in Prison, Mr. Abramoff and Mr. Cunningham nicely demonstrates how *licentious* you wingnuts really are with your *false* morality. Maybe if you didn’t spend so much time preaching *hatred* as part of your fake attempt at moralizing, it would stick better in your poorly raised children? Then you might not have so many st*pid c*nts like you with such self esteem and p*n*s envy issues?
When you examine what the “loose†moral values of “anything goes†has done to society, I am shocked such an esteemed “thinker†and philosophical giant would condemn a dead man for his promotion of honesty, importance of character, and traditional family. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
By “loose” morals, you mean gleefully making dead baby jokes about your own fake children? or do you mean gleefully calling for the genocide, and societal destruction of others? or do you mean the “capitalism anything goes” corruption that so pervades your *churches* and *politicians* and *companies* associated with you wingnuts?
There’s so much dishonest, and lack of character you personally, and your larger movement represents – it’s hard to know where to begin making fun of your hypocrisy, and perverted st*pidity!
May 15th, 2007 at 5:45 pmActually 2006 showed the American People have found Bush unworthy. Not enough of them fully realized what a big f*ck up he was in 2004, but that’s different now
That’s funny; I didn’t see George W. Bush on the ballot anywhere. But by your logic, I presume you believe 1994 found Bill Clinton unworthy?
May 15th, 2007 at 5:46 pmLike conservatives, bin Laden is against promiscuity. Like liberals he hates America. He’s just a middle of the road kind of guy isn’t he. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Actually dear confused child, Bin Laden hates the *librul-values* of America – just as you do. Nothing middle of the road about you, or him.
C’mon ZT, everyone knows that God created a perfect world. Man chose to go against God and screwed it all up. And it’s a fine mess we’ve gotten ourselves into isn’t it. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
No, *everyone* doesn’t know this. Which god, Shiva, or Yahweh? Or were you referring to the “great-spirit”? You know there are lots of creation myths, and not all are as self loathing, and spiteful as yours. You really should trade up, child!
What *intelligent* people know, is that crazy conservative wingnuts like you, and Bin Laden that hate the *librul* tendencies of mankind are the reason so much hatred, violence and strife exists. You are no different than bin laden.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:48 pmeveryone knows that God created a perfect world. Man chose to go against God and screwed it all up. And it’s a fine mess we’ve gotten ourselves into isn’t it.
Comment by upright left
You are not much INTO science, are you?
May 15th, 2007 at 5:51 pmOh, poor child, don’t insult Pelosi that way – she pays the *salaries* of the Generals, and she gives them the permission to go to *war*. Don’t demean her by lowering her status to a *general*. It’s called the *constitution*, in fact it’s Article *1* of the Constitution. Congress controls the right to go to war – congress giveth, congress taketh away.
Actually, Pelosi isn’t doing sh*t! She can’t even get all the Blue Dog Democrats to sign on her defeatism!
She isn’t going to take away anything, she’s not going to imeach George W. Bush, and she’s going to dwindle away with nothing on her stupid agenda accomplished. What a Lame Duck Speaker!
May 15th, 2007 at 5:52 pmThat’s funny; I didn’t see George W. Bush on the ballot anywhere. But by your logic, I presume you believe 1994 found Bill Clinton unworthy? Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
Yet most Americans say they voted against his policies, and strongly disagree with his running of the country.
Sorry, child, but in 1994, more Americans liked Clinton than didn’t like him. They were voting for the *false-promises* of the Republicans, and buying into the propaganda of the wingnut *press* at the time about what they could do for the country, and how public healthcare was *wrong*. How sad for you that now the majority of Americans want that same public health care…
And dear, st*pid child, I hate to remind you but Clinton was re-elected in 1996, so obviously by your definition the Country favored him, even though you impeached him. See how st*pid your logic (or lack thereof) is – child? Of course you don’t… You’re just another brain damaged little fool, that can’t construct even the most basic of arguments…. Sad, pathetic little child…
May 15th, 2007 at 5:52 pmActually, Pelosi isn’t doing sh*t! She can’t even get all the Blue Dog Democrats to sign on her defeatism! Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
Oh, dear st*pid child. She’s done lots…
Don’t blame her for Senate and Bush’s *defeatism* on change.
She isn’t going to take away anything, she’s not going to imeach George W. Bush, and she’s going to dwindle away with nothing on her stupid agenda accomplished. What a Lame Duck Speaker! Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
We’ll see, child. See it’s *bush* that’s the Lame Duck. But misuse of terms, and misrepresentation of reality is what you st*pid little Cons do. Truth has a liberal bias, so you poor little lost children delude yourselves with lies..
Poor little deranged wingnuts…
May 15th, 2007 at 5:55 pmMost popular thread ever.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:55 pmThank God.
May 15th, 2007 at 5:56 pmFree at last! Free at last! Thank God almighty we are free at last!
May 15th, 2007 at 5:57 pmVVGFU – You poor thing! I took the posting of Leftards and used them against insensitive Progressives – no fallacy there.
Definitions seem to elude you, so allow me to assist:
“loose morals” – ’sleeping around’, ‘hooking up’, having children without being married – this is evidenced by the number of STD cases, AIDS once again on the rise, “only” 1.17 million abortions last year…..
I hear your mom (or your caretaker) calling – better scoot…..
May 15th, 2007 at 5:57 pmJuan – If I believe God created science, would you say I do not believe in science?
May 15th, 2007 at 5:59 pmAnd dear, st*pid child, I hate to remind you but Clinton was re-elected in 1996, so obviously by your definition the Country favored him, even though you impeached him. See how st*pid your logic (or lack thereof) is – child? Of course you don’t… You’re just another brain damaged little fool, that can’t construct even the most basic of arguments…. Sad, pathetic little child…
Good. And when a GOP President is elected in 2008, we will see exactly how wrong your rhetoric is.
False promises? That’s all the Dimocrats have been making for a year now! But I wish they would. After the 1993 tax increase, the American people tossed the Dimocrats aside. It’ll happen again.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:00 pm#415,
Sorry, Valiant Venus, I did not commit the fallacy. If you knew much about Falwell’s conduct over the decades, you would know that he left an ample public record of his views. I criticized him for those often stated views. (If I had attacked him, say, merely because he was Christian, I would have indeed committed the fallacy and I would indeed be a hypocrite.) Where you see him promoting honesty, I see otherwise; where you see him promoting character, I see a man who lacked it; as for traditional family, yes, he promoted it, but also demonized those, such as homosexuals, whose sexual natures he deemed deserved their exclusion from the benefits of family and from civilized community. He also lacked the intellectual and moral integrity to address the specific arguments raised against the traditional family by various feminists. He never actually argued for the claim that society today has “licentious” and “hedonistic” morals. He merely confirmed his uncritical, unthinking, dogmatic audience’s own smug and righteous prejudices about what constitutes genuine morality.
If you want to argue morality with me, be aware that I also teach philosophical ethics. You think you know what constitutes genuine morality and what doesn’t, so that Falwell’s screeds are right and others, especially non-Christian ones, are wrong. To me you’re just invoking your own dogmatic assumptions and treating them as incontrovertible truths in order to accuse me of committing fallacies. Sorry, but this is a matter of substantive dispute about morality. Philosophers and theologians have sought for 25 centuries to make sense of morality and to find “the” correct morality. No one has done it yet. Do you have even passing familiarity with the arguments for moral relativism, pluralism, and diversity? Do you have even passing familiarity with the arguments against absolutism in ethics, whether Christian or Kantian? I doubt it. You and I disagree about what constitutes genuine morality; this matter cannot be resolved by the use of logic alone.
As for your other unsupported generalizations about drugs, sexual promiscuity, and illegitimacy, it’s a gross simplification to contend, as you apparently do, that these genuine problems were all caused by “liberalism.” There are many other possible causes, such as economic transformations in society under advanced capitalism. No doubt you’d prefer to blame “liberalism” for all our social and moral ills. I’d actually be flattered if liberalism really had such power. You probably don’t even know how to define “liberalism.” Hint: it’s a family of overlapping but nevertheless distinct doctrines, shaped and reshaped since ancient times.
Also, you’ve committed a number of other fallacies in your post. I’m too busy teaching students how to think better, but a starting point for you would be to name a liberal who said that “anything goes” about morality. If you can’t, and I think you can’t, you’ve committed the fallacies of the straw man and stereotyping.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:01 pmSorry, child, but in 1994, more Americans liked Clinton than didn’t like him.
With a 38% approval rating that August? Interesting definition of ‘most’.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:02 pmAll you religious zealots should be happy he is dead. Isn’t that what most of you want, to go be with your “GOD” in the glorious afterlife? Pathetic, delusional morons!!!!
May 15th, 2007 at 6:03 pmProfessor Colby – So refreshing to read that you LEARNED something from Mr. President. (I was SHOCKED to see you make such a mistake. But you DID leap to conclusions that I indict all progressive ideology – which I clearly do not.) I would have thought a philosophy Professor would craft a better argument…….grading must be interfering with your intellectual acumen……..
May 15th, 2007 at 6:05 pmSorry, should have said everyone knows but some choose to ignore/deny. ;)
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
Some choose to live in reality.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:05 pmYou are not much INTO science, are you?
Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
On the contrary, I very much enjoy the science of God’s creation.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:06 pmWith a 38% approval rating that August? Interesting definition of ‘most’. Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
Elections aren’t held in August – once again, what was Clinton’s approval rating in 1996 when he was *re-elected* – you know the *premise* of your argument again?
Come on, grow a pair – admit I made your argument look as st*pid as well ALL know you to be!
May 15th, 2007 at 6:07 pm“You are not much INTO science, are you?
Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 5:51 pm”
I recentlyread that the prestigious National Academy of Sciences took a poll on religious beliefs of their members. 93% consider themselves Atheists. The remaining 7% believe in a “god of some form”.
I guess it explains why the more educated (including self-educated) people are, especially in the sciences, the less they ‘believe’ – while the less educated, the more devout. Not a selling point for god…
May 15th, 2007 at 6:07 pmOn the contrary, I very much enjoy the science of God’s creation.
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
That’s up there with being half pregnant! Dum bass.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:07 pmSome choose to live in reality.
Comment by Zooey — May 15, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
And then there are “atheists”.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:08 pm“I very much enjoy the science of God’s creation.
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:06 pm”
That’s not science – it’s American Lit.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:08 pmIf I believe God created science, would you say I do not believe in science?
Comment by valiant venus
Believe in science? You are wrong from the start.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:09 pmProfessor Colby – So refreshing to read that you LEARNED something from Mr. President. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
So typical, you LEARN NOTHING – st*pid c*nt.
(I was SHOCKED to see you make such a mistake. But you DID leap to conclusions that I indict all progressive ideology – which I clearly do not.) Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
As both I and Colby correctly demonstrated (and Mr. President admitted) he falsely jumped to a conclusion, and was shown to be wrong. But then again, you’re *always* wrong – poor little Anorexic st*pid c*nt! How I *laugh* at your expense!
I would have thought a philosophy Professor would craft a better argument…….grading must be interfering with your intellectual acumen…….. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Oh dear st*pid child, you’ve never taken philosophy – and you’re too dum to understand it! Maybe that’s why you’re such a hypocrite, and so prone to such *miserable* fallacious b*llsh*t posts!
Poor little st*pid c*nt – you’re an embarrassment to the human race!
May 15th, 2007 at 6:10 pmAnd then there are “atheistsâ€.
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
BAHAHAHA, hilarious st*pidity from the wingnut fantasists!
May 15th, 2007 at 6:11 pmJuan – If I believe God created science, would you say I do not believe in science? Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Science is a methodology of discovery and *facts*, your *belief* isn’t relevant – it doesn’t change reality! It only shows you should be committed in a straitjacket – st*pid c*nt.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:12 pm“That’s up there with being half pregnant!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:07 pm”
And the intelligent design in the appendix and wisdom teeth that are potentially fatal to their human bodies… LOL Silly Creationists.
I just finished “Atheist Universe” by David Mills. I highly recommend it. Anyone read ‘Cosmos’ by Carl Sagan? It’s next…
May 15th, 2007 at 6:12 pmI guess it explains why the more educated (including self-educated) people are, especially in the sciences, the less they ‘believe’ – while the less educated, the more devout. Not a selling point for god…
Comment by unbelievable
You know what? I dont find the idea of God, in the sense of mistery of nature, evasive. Far from it, almost all of nature´s designs: animals, plants, virus, etc. are a wonderful collection that science tries to not only describe but to explain. What I find, absolutely ridicolous is that someone that wrote a book (Bible, Quran, etc.) tells me that the word of God is this or that. If there is a close God-like concept I could accept, is the one I decide, not based on other people´s idea. Now, religion is an entire different discussion.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:14 pm#433 — Professor Colby
**SMACK!!**
Heh.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:15 pmAnd the intelligent design in the appendix and wisdom teeth that are potentially fatal to their human bodies… LOL Silly Creationists.
I just finished “Atheist Universe†by David Mills. I highly recommend it. Anyone read ‘Cosmos’ by Carl Sagan? It’s next…
Comment by unbelievable — May 15, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
Then we have t*ts on men, and the prostate. Pretty much useless, unless you’re gay. Wonder what that says about *intelligent* design? Maybe god is a little gay curious? ;)
May 15th, 2007 at 6:16 pmBAHAHAHA, hilarious st*pidity from the wingnut fantasists!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
Ah, I’ve been addressed by the resident “breath of fresh air”!
May 15th, 2007 at 6:16 pmSay it loud!! I’m a atheist proud !!! :D
May 15th, 2007 at 6:17 pmOn the contrary, I very much enjoy the science of God’s creation.
Comment by upright left
mmmm…no, no. Going to church is not a science.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:18 pmReverend Falwell’s legacy is not about the tenants of Jesus’ ministry such as healing the sick and standing with the disenfranchised but about shunning and ridiculing those who have suffered and died of AIDS and their families. Many faith leaders today are moving away from his divisive approach and toward the compassion and inclusiveness that Jesus modeled every day of his ministry.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:19 pmAnd then there are “atheistsâ€.
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:08 pm
That’s very black and white thinking, but yes, there are atheists.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:20 pmVery good.
If there is a close God-like concept I could accept, is the one I decide, not based on other people´s idea. Now, religion is an entire different discussion.
Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
So any god you would accept would have to be your god alone and nobody else’s? And even if you had a god you wouldn’t have religion?
May 15th, 2007 at 6:21 pmmmmm…no, no. Going to church is not a science.
Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
I must have missed a post there Juan. I don’t recall anyone having mentioned church going. Could you find that for me?
May 15th, 2007 at 6:22 pmProfessor Colby – I appreciate your desire to put as much distance as possible between Liberalism and certain societal declines. If you were in my profession you would, too.
Classical Liberalism has given the world the most expansive IDEA that man’s rights do not emanate from government but are endowed by a Creator.
Contemporary liberalism is akin to societal Libertarianism. “I will do what I want, when I want….(w/ the caveat) as long as I don’t hurt anybody,” – - except someone is often hurt. Take it from me – drug addicts make lousy parents. Contemporary liberalism parts ways with libertarians because they can’t stand the thought of so few taxes and/or voluntary charitable contributions.
Thank you for taking the time to critique my posts…..I appreciate your philosophical expertise. Just don’t switch horses in mid-stream and decide a legal career is right up your alley…..I take that back – you would do well in research……put you come across as such a priggish hair splitter that juries might not like your self-important demeanor. (Admittedly, I could be wrong – you’re probably the life of the Party!)
I have a client due in – ’til later……………….
May 15th, 2007 at 6:22 pm“If there is a close God-like concept I could accept, is the one I decide, not based on other people´s idea.”
You mean like pantheism? Or Deism? That’s probably the majority ‘god’ among the 7%ers… But I think that in US the ‘god’ of choice is the violent, murderous, misogynistic god of Christianity, and well, it’s such an unpalatable god that it makes the whole god concept repulsive to so many science minded people.
Plus, there really isn’t a need for a god once you know the truth and see that the lack of a god makes the universe so much more fascinating, that even deism or patheism is like watered down water :)
“Now, religion is an entire different discussion.
Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 6:14 pm”
I thought that was the one we were having :D
May 15th, 2007 at 6:22 pmAh, I’ve been addressed by the resident “breath of fresh airâ€!
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
And I’ve been responded to by the resident “breath of foul air” – otherwise known as another wingnut “f*rt in the wind”.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:22 pmSo any god you would accept would have to be your god alone and nobody else’s? And even if you had a god you wouldn’t have religion? Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Your god says the earth is flat, and 8000 years old, and the sun rotates around the earth.
That makes you a moron.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:23 pmI must have missed a post there Juan. I don’t recall anyone having mentioned church going. Could you find that for me?
Comment by upright left
Scroll back at your posts about me not going into “heaven”. You know, not very scientific posts…but very “church-like” ones.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:24 pmI must have missed a post there Juan. I don’t recall anyone having mentioned church going. Could you find that for me? Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
I don’t recall anyone giving a sh*t about you – dum bass.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:24 pmProf. C,
I answered your question but it seems not to have been processed.
In short, I was merely correcting your post so as to prevent an abuse of the term “ad hominem”. It has a fixed meaning and from what you described in YOUR post, clearly, secundum quid was the fallacy in question.
No doubt, enthymemic and argumentae ad misericordiam litter the threads. But, you being a Professor and all, I would have expected you to welcome the correction (which you did at first).
I am not using fixed philosophical terms incorrectly, that is the difference between you and I, sir.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:24 pmIf I believe God created science, would you say I do not believe in science?
Comment by valiant venus
Believe in science? You are wrong from the start.
Comment by Juan C
How’s this Juan? I believe God created science and think science is valid. Saw atheists making the same argument on PBS – glad I don’t send them $$$$………..
May 15th, 2007 at 6:24 pmThat’s very black and white thinking, but yes, there are atheists.
Very good.
Comment by Zooey — May 15, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
Now I know you’re not a fence sitter. “Oh I just can’t decide if I believe in God or not.” (But if there is one I believed in you all along. That counts right?) ;)
May 15th, 2007 at 6:25 pmComment by unbelievable — May 15, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
You’ll be very satisfied with Cosmos. Dr. Sagan was an exceptional writer. I have 4 or 5 of his books.
Sagan’s loss is far sharper than Falwell’s.
Falwell’s type is cheap and available anywhere.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:25 pmElections aren’t held in August – once again, what was Clinton’s approval rating in 1996 when he was *re-elected* – you know the *premise* of your argument again?
That August 1994 approval led to his party getting trounced at the polls 3 months later. It was back up by 1996, yeah. So will Bush’s by 2008 as the GOP wins again!
May 15th, 2007 at 6:25 pm“Maybe god is a little gay curious? ;)
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:16 pm”
If Daryll is any indication…. Definitely :)
Man boobies is usually my “ID” blunder of choice, but I see Zoo is present, and for some reason, it drives her nuts :)
Let’s add to that list: pseudogenes (which we share with chimpanzees and gorillas), the engineering nightmare of our skeletal system that prevents us from painfree old age, and the ‘backward’ human eye in which the option nerve runs in front of the retna.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:26 pmI don’t recall anyone giving a sh*t about you – dum bass.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Well, anus, I guess it’s a good thing I didn’t ask now isn’t it. ;)
May 15th, 2007 at 6:27 pm“Say it loud!! I’m a atheist proud !!! :D
Comment by not impressed with the U.S. — May 15, 2007 @ 6:17 pm”
Me too :D
May 15th, 2007 at 6:28 pmA TRIBUTE TO THE TOLERANT LEFT!
There is a god…
May 15th, 2007 at 6:29 pmComment by Fish — May 15, 2007
Good riddance to the piece of crap. May Robertson, Dobson et al follow him into hell.
Comment by Stephen — May 15, 2007
the world will be a kinder place without him.
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Comment by RandyBastard — May 15, 2007
This is great news!
Comment by Gerald Gibson Jr. — May 15, 2007
Good Riddance!
Fallwell never did a bit of good in his public life but the evil he did will be with this nation for a long long time!
Comment by klyde — May 15, 2007
Hallelujah!
Now, if only the true EVIL in Washington would follow suit.
Comment by Kay — May 15, 2007
That sleazy voice has been silenced. Thank God.
Comment by Apple — May 15, 2007
Would not want to be in his shoes as he meets his maker…I have no doubl he will burn in hell for all eternity for USING God and religion to spead hate, discrimination, discontent and to amass millions in personal fortune..Amen…
Comment by SparksNV — May 15, 2007
if there is a hell, falwell just checked in.
Comment by jack e. jett — May 15, 2007
I am not using fixed philosophical terms incorrectly, that is the difference between you and I, sir.
Comment by Mr. President
Errata: …between you and me, sir.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:30 pm“Many faith leaders today are moving away from his divisive approach and toward the compassion and inclusiveness that Jesus modeled every day of his ministry.
Comment by An American — May 15, 2007 @ 6:19 pm”
Unfortunately, Jesus didn’t just say those things. He said some pretty rotten stuff too – and was not tolerant of those who didn’t care for his preaching. He also endorsed the OT in which his father did a lot of pernicious stuff. If Christianity is to evolve it should ditch the whole Bible and adopt something more intellectual like the Gospel of St. Thomas.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:31 pm“I have a client due in – ’til later……………….
Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:22 pm”
Most people in your profession call them “johns”.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:33 pmThat August 1994 approval led to his party getting trounced at the polls 3 months later. It was back up by 1996, yeah. So will Bush’s by 2008 as the GOP wins again! Comment by m12 — May 15, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
You do realize that your fellow wingnuts chose the numbers from 3 months before the election, instead of those during the election for a reason – right? And that you’re just a “useful-idiot” by spreading them?
November 1994, Clinton 48% approve, 40% disapprove.
So no, your premise for the 1994 election was wrong, as was your premise for the 1996 election.
Child, do yourself a favor. Leave the blogging to people with IQs that are larger than their shoe sizes? You’re *unfit* to serve… Dum bass.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:33 pmYour god says the earth is flat, and 8000 years old, and the sun rotates around the earth.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
Were you stoned when you scanned the Bible or did you pick up those little bits of wisdom from a drunk friend? You ought not quote a source that you don’t understand, anus.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:34 pmComment by Zooey — May 15, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Thanks Zoo.
Say, howdja get the bold ta work?
May 15th, 2007 at 6:34 pmA TRIBUTE TO THE TOLERANT LEFT! Comment by michael — May 15, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
Says the intolerant wingnut. See dum bass, we do tolerate his Taliban KKK Hate speech – that’s why he was permitted to spew it for 73 years. It’s you that would shut down *libruls* in a second – just as you do on your wingnut blogs. See, you and your *intolerant* bigotry is allowed to post here all of the time. Tolerance doesn’t mean we have to *love* him, or you – we do tolerate his speech. We just point out he was a raving religious lunatic – just like you! You f*cking hate filled fool!
May 15th, 2007 at 6:35 pmNow I know you’re not a fence sitter. “Oh I just can’t decide if I believe in God or not.†(But if there is one I believed in you all along. That counts right?) ;)
Comment by upright left
No, I do not believe in god. Neither do I attach the label “atheist” to myself, as I feel it is unnecessary.
If there is a god, he/she/it knows what’s in my heart, and I have no illusions that any of us would be fooling him/her/it.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:35 pmHow’s this Juan? I believe God created science and think science is valid. Saw atheists making the same argument on PBS – glad I don’t send them $$$$……….. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
Oh, dear st*pid c*nt. Man created science as a method of investigating and *proving* facts. Your little fantasies can’t be proven – that’s why they aren’t *science* – they’re *fairy* tales. Just like your little dead children…
May 15th, 2007 at 6:36 pm“(But if there is one I believed in you all along. That counts right?) ;)
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:25 pm”
Blasphemer! You just implied that an Agnostic could fool your all-knowing god! How dare you insult your invisible lord in such a way! Repent evil sinner or forever be doomed to hell!
This is too much drama for me…
May 15th, 2007 at 6:37 pmSo any god you would accept would have to be your god alone and nobody else’s? And even if you had a god you wouldn’t have religion?
Comment by upright left
Just like any of my ideas and principles. They are mine alone and I am the only one responsible for thinking and applicating them in my life and my interaction with the rest of the world. No one has to be responsible of my thoughts or actions.
Just to clarify, I dont have a god, but I am overwhelmed by nature. Im godless and I am happy and I dont hate anybody and I enjoy life. It is possible, believe me.
I believe God created science and think science is valid. Saw atheists making the same argument on PBS – glad I don’t send them $$$$………..
Comment by valiant venus
Thats a step forward, MA. Ultimately, science will prove that there is no God. It has been doing the same thing since humans appeared on Earth. Remember when thunder was a god? Well, it wasnt. And all other beliefs and superstitions are being blown down by the scientific method, totally opposed to dogmas. Now, about PBS I really dont know what you are talking about.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:37 pmWere you stoned when you scanned the Bible or did you pick up those little bits of wisdom from a drunk friend? You ought not quote a source that you don’t understand, anus. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Great advice, you ought not quote a source that says the earth is flat and 8000 years old as *fact* – it sorta makes *you* look either drunk or deranged and st*pid.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:37 pmmichael
A tribute to the tolerant Jerry Falwell –
“AIDS is not just God’s punishment for homosexuals; it is God’s punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals. ”
“Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan in America. ”
“Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions.”
“Homosexuality is Satan’s diabolical attack upon the family that will not only have a corrupting influence upon our next generation, but it will also bring down the wrath of God upon America.”
“Someone must not be afriad to say, ‘moral perversion is wrong.’ If we do not act now, homosexuals will ‘own’ America!…If you and I do not speak up now, this homosexual steamroller will leterally crush all decent men, women, and children who get in its way…and our nation will pay a terrible price!”
“If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God’s word and had desired to do the Lord’s will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision [Brown v. Board of Education] would never have been made…. The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line.”
“I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say ‘you helped this happen.” – In regards to 9-11
“AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals.”
I could go on but you get the point. You are obviously supporting this filth. So who’s the hater here?
May 15th, 2007 at 6:37 pmI can’t help but think of the cartoon I saw several years ago, where Satan reminds his secretary:
“When Falwell arrives, send him straight to my office. I can’t wait to see the look on the bastard’s face!”
My condolences to his immediate family.
Jerry Falwell was a despicable excuse for a human being.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:38 pmScroll back at your posts about me not going into “heavenâ€. You know, not very scientific posts…but very “church-like†ones.
Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 6:24 pm
As I said, I enjoy the science of God’s creation. Hasn’t a thing to do with church going. There’s a lot more to science than a big nothing exploding and monkey’s turning into people.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:40 pmYour god says the earth is flat, and 8000 years old, and the sun rotates around the earth.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
Actually, the geocentric universe developed from the Aristotelian world-view, in which the teleological characteristic of matter/earth was thought to be a force which sought out the center of the universe.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:41 pmNot sure ‘ol Jer is gonna be real fond of heaven. It just may be occupied by some souls he would not care for. Sometimes I wonder if I’m the only progressive Christian on this site. Anyway, I did enjoy the comment by An American. CFF
May 15th, 2007 at 6:41 pmSay, howdja get the bold ta work?
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
I use the buttons. I’m special.
You can also type in the commands, if you’re not so special. :-D
May 15th, 2007 at 6:41 pmI wonder if the members of the Rev. Phelps’ Hillsboro Baptist Church will be protesting the Rev. Falwell’s funeral.
Just something to think about.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:42 pmProfessor Colby – I appreciate your desire to put as much distance as possible between Liberalism and certain societal declines. If you were in my profession you would, too. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Oh, puhlease. That’s total b*llsh*t. Societal decline usually happens when a society becomes *rigid* and overly *conservative*. Just as Rome became rigid under Christian rule, and fell flat on its face.
Classical Liberalism has given the world the most expansive IDEA that man’s rights do not emanate from government but are endowed by a Creator Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:22 pm.
And Classic Conservativism has spent all of its energy trying to prove that God has given *you* the right to assign and take away rights as God’s spokesman – like Falwell believed. St*pid c*nt.
Contemporary liberalism is akin to societal Libertarianism. “I will do what I want, when I want….(w/ the caveat) as long as I don’t hurt anybody,†– - except someone is often hurt. Take it from me – drug addicts make lousy parents. Contemporary liberalism parts ways with libertarians because they can’t stand the thought of so few taxes and/or voluntary charitable contributions. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Then you’ve just proven the point – that if no-one is hurt, someone is hurt, thereby that would in fact be counted as *liberals* as behaviors with consequences. Sorry st*pid c*nt, but you’re as bad as arguing, as you are at spelling.
You know who else makes lousy parents? Conservatives that tell their children the Closet is better than honesty, that you’re supposed to be *miserable* and *chaste* because you’re bad and sinful, and that violence and punishment is *good*. They raise deranged sociopaths like *you* and *Osama* that work to undermine societies.
Thank you for taking the time to critique my posts…..I appreciate your philosophical expertise. Just don’t switch horses in mid-stream and decide a legal career is right up your alley…..I take that back – you would do well in research……put you come across as such a priggish hair splitter that juries might not like your self-important demeanor. (Admittedly, I could be wrong – you’re probably the life of the Party!) I have a client due in – ’til later………………. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
And you’re a miserable c*nt that’s unsuited to any job, and would better serve society from the confines of a straitjacket – Osama Ben Venus.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:42 pm“You’ll be very satisfied with Cosmos. Dr. Sagan was an exceptional writer. I have 4 or 5 of his books.”
Cool – thanks pete. The reviews for it were rave… And I figured I had to include him in my summer reading (this is the last week of school).
“Sagan’s loss is far sharper than Falwell’s. ”
Most definitely. I loved his PBS series.
“Falwell’s type is cheap and available anywhere.
Comment by pete — May 15, 2007 @ 6:25 pm”
Very true… no wonder he was so popular among cheap and abundant non-thinkers…
May 15th, 2007 at 6:42 pmJuan,
May 15th, 2007 at 6:43 pmPictures up on facebook. Heh.
Actually, the geocentric universe developed from the Aristotelian world-view, in which the teleological characteristic of matter/earth was thought to be a force which sought out the center of the universe.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Actually the wingnuts believe their *bible* was written by Abraham and his followers – and those *scriptures* predate Aristotle – child. If you care to tell the Christian Wingnuts that their bible isn’t written by the people they claim it was written by – please, help yourself.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:44 pmI’m going to put on my leather chaps and celebrate hard tonight because this bastard died.
No condolences for his immediate family
I am going to pray that Dobson and Robertson are next as they are as evil.
I hope he has some sunscreen because it is real hot where he is now.
Eff you Falwell you hate mongering POS
Signed
May 15th, 2007 at 6:44 pmTinky Winky
Great advice, you ought not quote a source that says the earth is flat and 8000 years old as *fact* – it sorta makes *you* look either drunk or deranged and st*pid.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
All righty then, anus, if there is ever such a source, I’ll be sure and avoid it.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:46 pmI wonder if the members of the Rev. Phelps’ Hillsboro Baptist Church will be protesting the Rev. Falwell’s funeral.
Just something to think about.
Comment by david — May 15, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Ohhhh, that would be interesting….
May 15th, 2007 at 6:46 pmThere’s a lot more to science than a big nothing exploding and monkey’s turning into people.
Comment by upright left
Well, yes, of course. Now, thats science. You can agree with it or not. It wont change the fact that species evolve all the time and there is a theory that describes the beginning of the universe as a big explosion of energy and matter.
Now, where in science, Hell is described, located and explained? Heaven? God? If you want to believe in that, thats your right. It wont change the fact that, so far, they are unexistent.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:46 pmSome of my favorite *flat-earth* quotes of the bible.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
“Ultimately, science will prove that there is no God.
Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 6:37 pm”
I think it already has… We know how the universe started – that it came from mass-energy that has always existed (which makes sense because the minute you try to imagine nothing, nothing is impossible to imagine).
We know how life started.
We understand evolution and the other natural processes (like erosion) that have shaped our world.
No god necessary…
The religious folks just deny the elephant in the room because it frightens them. If humans evolve bigger brains with smaller fear centers, religion would become impossible. Unfortunately, we’ve removed ourselves from the factors that cause us to improve… And I think we are weakening our species as a result (which explains the process by which we will become extinct)…
God has been disproven. If you’re willing to accept it.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:49 pmI am happy and I dont hate anybody and I enjoy life. It is possible, believe me.
Comment by Juan C — May 15, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
Well, well, well, we have common ground after all.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:49 pmAll righty then, anus, if there is ever such a source, I’ll be sure and avoid it. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
You’ve spent your entire life avoiding *sources* of *reality*, I’m sure you’ll continue to do so. Delusions are powerful drugs, for the st*pid and the fearful like yourself – child.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:50 pm“we do tolerate his speech. We just point out he was a raving religious lunatic – just like you! You f*cking hate filled fool!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007″
I am? Care to explain that stupid comment?
May 15th, 2007 at 6:50 pmZoo. How old are those pics of you?
May 15th, 2007 at 6:51 pmOh, and I almost forgot one of my favorites downright loser. From Falwell’s favorite book – Revelations!
Yeah, four corners. That’s funny!
You wingnuts make me laugh!
May 15th, 2007 at 6:51 pm““AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals.â€
I could go on but you get the point. You are obviously supporting this filth. So who’s the hater here?
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 15, 2007″
What’s your problem?
May 15th, 2007 at 6:52 pmI am? Care to explain that stupid comment?
Comment by michael — May 15, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
You are a st*pid comment? yeah we all know, cowardly child…
May 15th, 2007 at 6:52 pmWell, well, well, we have common ground after all.
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
BAHAHAHA, yeah, you don’t hate, you just want to discriminate and oppress others with your ignorance… That’s not *hate*, that’s *love* as the origins of your bigotry – right child?
May 15th, 2007 at 6:53 pmZoo. How old are those pics of you?
Comment by Juan C
Heh. You wanted pictures!!
May 15th, 2007 at 6:53 pm“I’m going to put on my leather chaps and celebrate hard tonight because this bastard died.
No condolences for his immediate family
I am going to pray that Dobson and Robertson are next as they are as evil.
I hope he has some sunscreen because it is real hot where he is now.
Eff you Falwell you hate mongering POS
Signed
Tinky Winky”
While celebrating tonight I hope you fall down and bust your head open!
May 15th, 2007 at 6:54 pmMichael,
care to respond and defend the my post with the Saintly Falwell’s quotes? You seem eager to paint us for smiling about the death of a bigot like Falwell. I can only guess that you feel he was not worthy of our disdain.
So maybe you can justify his support of aprtheid, or his outright hatred for homosexuals.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:54 pmWhat’s your problem?
Comment by michael — May 15, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
What’s yours, lunatic wingnut?
May 15th, 2007 at 6:55 pmUpright left:
One question: What do you need God for? For real.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:55 pmWhile celebrating tonight I hope you fall down and bust your head open! Comment by michael — May 15, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
Ah, the love, the hypocrisy, the hatred. Right on cue michael! Such *tolerance* and *love* from the wingnut gallery of hypocritical fools, and hatemongers!
May 15th, 2007 at 6:55 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Are you saying that I admitted that I was wrong?
Because I was not, and I did not.
But, on the other hand, the Prof was wrong, and he admitted it.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:56 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
You’ve posted that several times and your misinterpretation has been refuted several times. As you well know, the language that we use today has many different meanings than it did in the time the Bible was written, not to mention that the word choice used in the translations doesn’t always give the accurate meaning. Finally, you can pretty well create your own meaning by taking everything out of context. I’m sure you won’t take offense if I rely on people with a little more Bible knowledge than you in matters of faith.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:56 pm“There’s a lot more to science than a big nothing exploding and monkey’s turning into people.
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:40 pm”
Wrong and wrong.
The Big Bang does not say that something exploded out of nothing. It says that the universe exploded as a result of a condensation (singularity) of mass-energy that has always existed.
We didn’t evolve from monkeys. We are apes and came from other, smaller apes that came from even smaller apes that came from – initially billions of years prior – single celled organisms. You know – as in how you evolved in the course of 18 years from a single cell (your mother’s egg) to a mature adult human ape – verifying the evolutionary process in your own development from single cell to human?
But, if “Poof! You exist” is all you are capable of comprehending, then well, I’d do better to explain all of this to my cats.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:58 pm“The Babel fish,” said The Hitch Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy quietly, “is small, yellow and leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy not from its carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.
“Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindboggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
“The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,’ says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.’
“`But,’ says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.’
“`Oh dear,’ says God, `I hadn’t thought of that,’ and promptly vanished in a puff of logic.
props to Doug Adams, RIP.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:58 pmHeh. You wanted pictures!!
Comment by Zooey
No, heh, sorry if I seem to imply anything. You look fine, lady. ;)
May 15th, 2007 at 6:58 pmYou’ve posted that several times and your misinterpretation has been refuted several times. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
That’s not true, and no it has never been refuted. In fact this is exactly the position of the catholic church until the new world was founded. Because it’s clearly spelled out in the book.
As you well know, the language that we use today has many different meanings than it did in the time the Bible was written, not to mention that the word choice used in the translations doesn’t always give the accurate meaning. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
Actually the old testament writings come from the Torah – and I hate to inform you but you’re wrong.
Finally, you can pretty well create your own meaning by taking everything out of context. I’m sure you won’t take offense if I rely on people with a little more Bible knowledge than you in matters of faith. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
BAHAHAHA, yeah, out of context. A specific description of the earth, is taken out of context? You’re an idiot.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:59 pm“Do you have even passing familiarity with the arguments for moral relativism, pluralism, and diversity? Do you have even passing familiarity with the arguments against absolutism in ethics, whether Christian or Kantian? I doubt it.”
“Prof” Colby does a shoddy impersonation of a professor.
May 15th, 2007 at 6:59 pmMichael,
my problem is that you are calling us untolerant with you TRIBUT TO THE TOLERANT LEFT list you did.
I’m arguing that by doing that you must think that Falwell was worhty of some applause for something he did. I’m arguing that you are in support of a racists, mysoginistic, homophobic, bigot.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:00 pmAre you saying that I admitted that I was wrong?
Because I was not, and I did not.
But, on the other hand, the Prof was wrong, and he admitted it.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
Actually the Prof didn’t admit he was wrong, he corrected you (as did I) that he had posted one of *several* fallacies in her argument. It was you that claimed there was on, and only one fallacy, and you admitted to the Prof that there was such.
But if you wish to *lie* about what happened, it’s exactly as I expected you would – Exley…
May 15th, 2007 at 7:00 pmVVGFU = pseudo-”professor” Colby
May 15th, 2007 at 7:01 pmBAHAHAHA, yeah, you don’t hate, you just want to discriminate and oppress others with your ignorance… That’s not *hate*, that’s *love* as the origins of your bigotry – right child?
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Show me where I’ve discriminated against or oppressed anyone. Show me where I’ve shown any sign of bigotry.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:02 pmYeah, misinterpret indeed. The bible saw the *storeroom* of the sun and moon!!!! BAHAHAAHA, keep on digging that hole, wingnut zealot!
May 15th, 2007 at 7:02 pm
VVGFU = pseudo-â€professor†Colby
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Mr. President = psuedo “valiant” Ben Laden / Exley
May 15th, 2007 at 7:02 pm“Prof†Colby does a shoddy impersonation of a professor.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
Pure projection. You do a shoddy impersonation of a philosopher.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:03 pmupright left,
“I’m sure you won’t take offense if I rely on people with a little more Bible knowledge than you in matters of faith.”
AS long as you agree that faith is nothing more than belief based on a total lack of evidence. If there was evidence, you would need no faith.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:03 pm“Prof†Colby does a shoddy impersonation of a professor.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
Use “the Google” like he said, Mr Chav-tastic.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:04 pm“props to Doug Adams, RIP.
Comment by pete — May 15, 2007 @ 6:58 pm”
Another one who died far too soon…
May 15th, 2007 at 7:04 pmLets look at stars – according to the “Bible” – they even have *sexual-organs*!!! mating stars – who knew?
Imagine that folks, whole *stars* (you know, with a mass many times the earth) fell to earth in the bible!!! Wow, that’s a scientific *miracle*!!!
May 15th, 2007 at 7:05 pmOver the centuries, Christinaity has revised itself to fit the realities of Science, and NEVER the other way around…
May 15th, 2007 at 7:06 pmIf there was evidence, you would need no faith.
Comment by Crump’s Brother
Perfect answer. You just closed the discussion.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:06 pm“Show me where I’ve shown any sign of bigotry.
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 7:02 pm”
When you said:
“athiests”
Total bigotry.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:07 pmShow me where I’ve discriminated against or oppressed anyone. Show me where I’ve shown any sign of bigotry. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 7:02 pm
You wish your religious bigotry and value to be the laws of the land, and restrict others the freedom from practices against your bigotry. Right?
Tell me, do you wish to restrict abortion, gay marriage? What about your stance on the environment and the death penalty? Divorce? Role of women? We could on and on – but we both know how this will end. You’re a religious zealot and bigot that wants to force your restrictive values on others… You’re just another cog in the wheel of unthinking wingnuts.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:07 pmOver the centuries, Christinaity has revised itself to fit the realities of Science, and NEVER the other way around… Comment by unbelievable — May 15, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
Actually the church has forced science to renounce its finding many times, or face death and removal from the church. But that wasn’t really a revision of *science*, as much as it was a forced lie. Much like what the creationist wingnuts want done now.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:09 pm“If there was evidence, you would need no faith.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 15, 2007 @ 7:03 pm”
I love that quote by Dan Barker that says that faith is a cop-out… That if a thing requires faith, then it is saying that it cannot be taken on its own merits.
Another good book (Losing Faith in Faith – excepts can be found on the Freedom From Religion Website).
May 15th, 2007 at 7:11 pm“Actually the old testament writings come from the Torah – and I hate to inform you but you’re wrong.”
Did I say anything about the source? You completely avoided the point that the language has changed.
Finally, you can pretty well create your own meaning by taking everything out of context. I’m sure you won’t take offense if I rely on people with a little more Bible knowledge than you in matters of faith. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
“BAHAHAHA, yeah, out of context. A specific description of the earth, is taken out of context? You’re an idiot.”
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
If you choose to not to understand the real meaning of the text, that’s your business. Makes no difference to me. Just pointing out your error for others.
—-
It says that the universe exploded as a result of a condensation (singularity) of mass-energy that has always existed.
We didn’t evolve from monkeys. We are apes and came from other, smaller apes that came from even smaller apes that came from – initially billions of years prior – single celled organisms. You know – as in how you evolved in the course of 18 years from a single cell (your mother’s egg) to a mature adult human ape – verifying the evolutionary process in your own development from single cell to human?
But, if “Poof! You exist†is all you are capable of comprehending, then well, I’d do better to explain all of this to my cats.
Comment by unbelievable — May 15, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
“Singularity of mass energy that has always existed” or God that has always existed. No one can explain the source of either. I’m going with God.
Pardon me, apes not monkeys. Hardly matters which animal the sludge evolved into, does it?
May 15th, 2007 at 7:15 pm…other stars whose sexual organs were like the organs of horses are likewise bound hand and foot …
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
…happens to me all the time…
May 15th, 2007 at 7:17 pmThat’s right, Douglas Adams proved that God didn’t exist…
As I posted earlier, all I need to know about Jerry Falwell is his comment that if you are not ‘Born Again’, you are ‘a failure as a human being’….
… there’s a lot of ‘us failures’ out here, Jerry… or maybe you were just projecting.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:18 pmI just finished “Atheist Universe†by David Mills. I highly recommend it. Anyone read ‘Cosmos’ by Carl Sagan? It’s next…
Comment by unbelievable
I got to hear Sagan many years ago (not millions and millions, but still) in Seattle. I say “hear” because so many people showed up for his lecture that us latecomers had to listen in an annex. At any rate, I did manage to throw myself at him after and get my copy of the Cosmic Connection signed. At least I know it’s a real signature; no one else would believe that scrawl was from Sagan.
I miss his perspective.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:19 pm“Much like what the creationist wingnuts want done now.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 7:09 pm”
But they didn’t change Science – just oppressed or suppressed it. And they did not stop the advancement of Science… Even if the Dark Ages caused us to have to start over…
I read that the possibility of 300 years from now, whether scientists will be discussing whether or not the sun revolves around the Earth could be determined by current attempts by Christians in the US to destroy science education. Dark Ages part 2…
I have to agree considering how I was attacked last year in my Science class by a group of Jesus freaks who were upset that I taught the truth about how the solar system formed and the school system didn’t back me up. I’m sure they hired a Creationist to replace me when I quit… This year, one of my students said that he ‘hated’ Darwin (who he had confused with DaVinci… LOL).
May 15th, 2007 at 7:19 pmYou people beating the Bible: what about the one where the moon is stated to be a light source….. best of luck graduating with that one, Sparky.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:21 pmDid I say anything about the source? You completely avoided the point that the language has changed. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Oh please, that’s a completely st*pid comment. There are lots of explicit descriptions on the physical nature of the earth – so your comment is a delusional lie you tell yourself so you can ignore the inconsistencies and st*pidity in the fable.
Finally, you can pretty well create your own meaning by taking everything out of context. I’m sure you won’t take offense if I rely on people with a little more Bible knowledge than you in matters of
faith. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
Oh, that’s b*llsh*t. How do you know how much knowledge I have, and don’t have. I completely presented and proved my point. You delusionally denied that the descriptions didn’t exist. I in return gave you a long list that showed they did. Your response was that then the book couldn’t be read literally, because the language had change. And ironically we’re on a Falwell thread – the man that said *every word in the bible is literally truth*.
So what you’re saying is that Falwell was a fool that didn’t understand the bible – or that you are one. Either way, you can’t both be right – fool.
If you choose to not to understand the real meaning of the text, that’s your business. Makes no difference to me. Just pointing out your error for others. Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Real *meaning*? That’s code word for *ignore* the parts that don’t make sense, or transpose them into a st*pid and incoherent meaning so our fable doesn’t come crashing down.
If the language is so fragile and prone to change as you say, then the whole context and the meaning of the entire book is useless. But you want it both ways, don’t you child?
“Singularity of mass energy that has always existed†or God that has always existed. No one can explain the source of either. I’m going with God.
Pardon me, apes not monkeys. Hardly matters which animal the sludge evolved into, does it?
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Is that the same god, that wrote a book for you that said the earth is flat and 8000 years old? Well, that means he either lied to us, or we wrote it all down wrong. Either way, that’s a pretty big set of things to get completely wrong. Yet here you are *trusting* that you know the nature of god and the universe based on lots of already proven wrong assumptions.
We call that delusional and naive, child.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:22 pm…happens to me all the time…
Comment by pete — May 15, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
Well if you have organs like a horse, that could make you a star in many circles ;)
May 15th, 2007 at 7:23 pmBut they didn’t change Science – just oppressed or suppressed it.
Comment by unbelievable — May 15, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
Agreed. Ignorance and hate are the most virulent of vices. That’s why Valiant Ben Laden is such a virulent little vice.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:24 pm“You completely avoided the point that the language has changed.”
Not THAT much. Plus, like archaic religions, we can translate them well enough so that we wouldn’t confuse ’sex organs’ with ‘nuclear fusion’. Don’t try to pervert the bible to fit the reality. The bible says what it says. And if it’s so divine, then you can’t misinterpret it.
“Singularity of mass energy that has always existed†or God that has always existed. No one can explain the source of either. I’m going with God.”
If First Cause is your theory, then a creator had to have been created. Therefore, going with a god denies your own theory… And is impossible, since god would have to come out of nothing – the very thing you denounced about the Big Bang.
Actually, the source of mass-energy can be explained. Read ‘Atheist Universe’.
Ockhams Razor says that the most simple explanation is the most likely. Mass-energy is more likely.
“Pardon me, apes not monkeys. Hardly matters which animal the sludge evolved into, does it?
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 7:15 pm”
Well apparently you think so…
Me, I think the chimps and gorillas should be ashamed to be related to us some days…
May 15th, 2007 at 7:26 pmI’m surprised none of the wingnuts have brought up The Flood.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:26 pmHere’s where you make yourself look silly:
” don’t think he’s a real professor. He got his “ad hominem†and his “secundum quid†mixed up. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Actually the professor was right, and you’re wrong. Because the post by Osama Bin Venus was a plethora of fallacies, including an Ad Hominem. But I wouldn’t expect you to notice – being a wingnut with only a *cursory* understanding of logic.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
That’s a Gross Generalization and Misrepresentation”
Here’s where the professor is forced to admit is mischaracterization:
“#323, [he actually means #322]
Yes, it is also the fallacy of secundum quid or hasty generalization. A piece of sophistry can mask as genuine reasoning but involve multiple fallacies at once (and, for what it’s worth, there is philosophical disagreement over the fallacies themselves). But I have enough difficulty trying to teach recalcitrant people like Valiant Venus the more elementary fallacies, like the ad hominem fallacy, so I avoid more complicated evaluations and rebuttals of their mistakes in reasoning. However, if you have sufficient mastery of informal logic to do this, I welcome an alliance against sophistry and illogic everywhere.
Comment by Prof. Mark Colby — May 15, 2007 @ 3:43 pm”
pseudo-professor colby is not a professor, he is a shmuck, and he doesn’t know shit. I never referred to VV’s post, a fact which he conviniently oblivious. If he were good at his job (namely, impersonating a professor) he would never have made the blunder.
VVGFU = retarded ass-monkey
May 15th, 2007 at 7:26 pmJob 26:7, �He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
And I came to an empty place. And I saw (there) neither a heaven above nor an earth below, but a chaotic and terrible place (1 Enoch 21:1-2).
Then of course in Enoch 18:2, god showed him the *cornerstone* of the earth – you know, like a building? BAHAHAAH, yeah, sure, it’s just all bad translations, all of the dozens of different descriptions that say the earth is *flat*!!!
May 15th, 2007 at 7:27 pmThe bible says what it says. And if it’s so divine, then you can’t misinterpret it. Comment by unbelievable — May 15, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Ouch!!! That’s brilliantly harsh and truthful!!!
May 15th, 2007 at 7:28 pm’til later
Comment by valiant venus
I see “mighty asshole” has a new screen name and sign off. Toodles!
May 15th, 2007 at 7:30 pm#497 Tinky Winky: This makes me feel like putting on ‘Celebration’ by KC & the Sunshine Band, and “You Make Me Feel Like Dancing’. Want to dance?
May 15th, 2007 at 7:31 pm“I miss his perspective.
Comment by gummitch — May 15, 2007 @ 7:19 pm”
It’s interesting that there is a new trend towards Science books (I’m guessing in forbidden fruit manner that the Fundies have made them as tempting as porn) written by Atheists. I’m amazed that there are so many in print and freely available at Barnes & Noble or even amazon… Perhaps the lot of Science voices will help fill the gap… even if Sagan will long be the Father of the Cosmos :D
May 15th, 2007 at 7:31 pm“Singularity of mass energy that has always existed†or God that has always existed. No one can explain the source of either. I’m going with God.
Ah, but one requires devotion to an irrational set of beliefs, and the other does not. As such, your choice is… questionable.
Pardon me, apes not monkeys. Hardly matters which animal the sludge evolved into, does it?
Man did not evolve from monkeys or apes. Man and apes have a common ancestor.
Is there a reason that the facts of evolution should offend your faith?
May 15th, 2007 at 7:33 pm“Prof†Colby does a shoddy impersonation of a professor.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 6:59 pm
Use “the Google†like he said, Mr Chav-tastic.
Comment by Zooey — May 15, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Zooey, “the Google” doesn’t prove shit.
By the way, my real name is A.P.D. Mourelatos, I’m a real life Professor of Ancient Philosophy at UT Austin, I’ve published several books and am one of the most well respect scholars in my field… but yet… I STILL DON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN AD HOMINEM AND A SECUNDUM QUID, in fact, I’M SO IGNORANT I NEED AN UNDERGRAD TO POINT OUT MY ERRORS!!!!!!!!!
Yeah right, Professor my ass.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:33 pmHere’s where the professor is forced to admit is mischaracterization:
“#323, [he actually means #322]
Yes, it is also the fallacy of secundum quid or hasty generalization. A piece of sophistry can mask as genuine reasoning but involve multiple fallacies at once (and, for what it’s worth, there is philosophical disagreement over the fallacies themselves).
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Actually he doesn’t concede that you are right, as you say he’s wrong for calling it an Ad Hominem – which it also is. You falsely claimed it was not an ad hominem but only a “secundum quid”. You were wrong – it’s *both*.
So no, the Prof didn’t admit you were wrong, he in fact *corrected* you politely – but you were too st*pid to notice it.
pseudo-professor colby is not a professor, he is a shmuck, and he doesn’t know shit. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Pure projection from the wanna-be philosopher. You don’t know sh*t, and you’re just another schmuck that can’t spell “schmuck” – genius.
I never referred to VV’s post, a fact which he conviniently oblivious. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Since his post is a critique of hers – yes you did, you just weren’t intelligent enough to *admit* it.
If he were good at his job (namely, impersonating a professor) he would never have made the blunder. VVGFU = retarded ass-monkey Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
He made no blunder – you did. Loser.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:33 pmVVGFU = retarded ass-monkey
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Someone that attempts to propose sophist expertise, but can’t spell *convenient* is the definition of *ass-monkey*. Loser, know thyself.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:34 pm“A TRIBUTE TO THE TOLERANT LEFT!” - michael
There’s no need to celebrate the man’s death. I leave that to rabid Christians.
The rest of us are not celebrating his death. We are celebrating his absence.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:36 pm“That’s why Valiant Ben Laden is such a virulent little vice.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 7:24 pm”
LOL! That’s hilarious! Valiant Ben Laden. I love it!
“Ouch!!! That’s brilliantly harsh and truthful!!!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 7:28 pm”
I’m trying to stop sugar-coating everything :D LOL
You’re doing most of the ass-kicking in this “debate”… Funny how Atheists know the bible so much better than the Fundies… I’ve never seen one argue with one of us and not cry “out of context”… (which really means “I don’t actually know what the bible says because I’ve never actually read it”) LOL
May 15th, 2007 at 7:37 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
Hold on… You don’t know the difference between an ad hominem and a secundum quid do you?
May 15th, 2007 at 7:37 pmBy the way, my real name is A.P.D. Mourelatos, I’m a real life Professor of Ancient Philosophy at UT Austin, I’ve published several books and am one of the most well respect scholars in my field… but yet… I STILL DON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN AD HOMINEM AND A SECUNDUM QUID, in fact, I’M SO IGNORANT I NEED AN UNDERGRAD TO POINT OUT MY ERRORS!!!!!!!!! Yeah right, Professor my ass. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
Oh, poor st*pid child – that’s your problem. You’re so r*t*rded, you don’t realize that an argument can pose more than one fallacy. The *prof* picked the most glaring one – which is at the basis of virtually all of the prejudiced Ben Venus’s posts – the Ad Hominem. One you seem to enjoy as well!
However, you claim that no Ad Hominem existed – when in fact it did.
So no, dear st*pid little valiant – you can change your name, and pretend to understand logic, reason and sophism – but in the end, you’re just an ignorant st*pid hack that can’t form or recognize or read simple english. Poor little loser you are…
May 15th, 2007 at 7:37 pmLet me school you. Something the the “Professor” was unable to do.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:37 pmJust 2 comments before I leave.
1. Valiant Venus, what you condescendingly call my “priggish hair-splitting” I consider rigorous thinking. Sorry if you can’t keep up, but I really don’t expect you to. It would be quite unfair of me, and I believe in fairness. You’re a lawyer. I’m a philosopher. I merely pay you the compliment–perhaps undeserved?–of trying to explain matters that come under my specialized training, in the belief that you want to benefit from it. (Yes, I know, you already said that you come to this site just to have fun at our expense. I don’t think you really mean it.) If I were in need of a lawyer, I’d want the fruits of your own specialized training.
2. Mr. President, why do you think I do a “shoddy impersonation of a professor”? My point was straightforward. A rational person is aware of both sides of the argument and chooses sides on the basis of an understanding of both sides. Valiant Venus condemns liberalism and treats it as if it were obviously defective in contrast to Christianity, a morally absolute system. I merely pointed out that she needs to know both sides of the debate about morality in order to rationally choose sides. Until she does, her dismissal of liberalism and partisanship in favor of Christianity is worthless, just as wanton, selfish, and subjective as the “liberalism” she excoriates. What dogmatists, ideologues, and the generally ignorant do is take sides without knowing the strengths and weaknesses of the rival positions. They do so due to upbringing, indoctrination, fear, poor education, pride, arrogance, and endless other causes of this failure of objectivity and good thinking. J.S. Mill, that liberal icon, discusses this in Ch. 2 of On Liberty (a text whcih Valiant Venus ought to read to acquaint herself with liberalism in order to disabuse her of her muddled comparison of liberalism with libertarianism). Mill’s insistence on social responsibility and the right of society to regulate the conduct of individuals for its own protection would astonish her.
As for your claim about Venus’s fallacy, I wasn’t wrong. Try reading my post about the matter. As before, ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus is right about you. You seem to be claiming now that there was only one fallacy, which is false. Are you now retracting your earlier admission that there were two? By the way, the term ad hominem does indeed have a fixed meaning, but how to classify invalid arguments as ad hominem or not, or any other of the myriad ways arguments can be fallacious, is a matter of interpretation and dispute among logicians. You ought to know this.
If your claim is that I’m shoddily impersonating a professor merely because you disagree with me about how many fallacies there were in her post, then allow a reductio ad absurdum to take care of such a foolish claim. If the mere presence of disagreement between us disqualifies me from being a professor, then there are no genuine professors anywhere, since disagreement among professors is intrinsic to the life of the mind. Again, this is something you ought to know. What is your own profession?
Besides, why is it so important to you that she commit one fallacy and not twom and that the fallacy be secundum quid rather than ad hominem? Are we in a logic seminar? Part of intelligence is the ability to understand context (one major reason why classifying arguments is so difficult), and this context is a political forum. Haven;t you ever heard of the fallacy of quibbling?
May 15th, 2007 at 7:40 pmLet me school you. Something the the “Professor†was unable to do.Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
If you improve your *spelling* and *grammar*, people might take you more seriously. At this point you sound just like the ugly r*t*rded stepchild of michael and valiant ben laden…
May 15th, 2007 at 7:40 pm“Man did not evolve from monkeys or apes. Man and apes have a common ancestor.
Comment by gorn by any other name — May 15, 2007 @ 7:33 pm”
We are apes, and our ancestors were different types of apes, so technically, we did evolve from a different type of ape… But one could argue semantics on the definition of ‘ape’. In some dictionaries ape = monkey. I think DNA defines it.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:40 pmHold on… You don’t know the difference between an ad hominem and a secundum quid do you? Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
Says the dum bass that didn’t read the thread responses to his st*pid diatribe.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:41 pmAn “ad hominem” argument is an attempt to make a false proposition appear true by attacking the authority of those who hold contrary opinions. For example:
Bush is a greedy, greedy man, so therefore
May 15th, 2007 at 7:42 pmBush is a bad President.
Let me school you. Something the the “Professor†was unable to do.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
Who cares if he’s a professor or not. For that matter, who cares which fallacy he points to to demonstrate the fallaciousness of many troll “arguments.” The point stands.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:42 pmI’ve never seen one argue with one of us and not cry “out of contextâ€â€¦ (which really means “I don’t actually know what the bible says because I’ve never actually read itâ€) LOL Comment by unbelievable — May 15, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
Or even worse, it means ignore that contradiction and embarrassing quotation, that’s not my favorite part! ;)
May 15th, 2007 at 7:42 pmBlessings to his family…
May 15th, 2007 at 7:43 pmNow, if Bush is a greedy man, it does not logically follow that he will be a bad President. All that we can infer from the fact the he is greedy is that he will go out of his way to obtain and keep money.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:44 pmWe cannot make a claim about the way he will do his job.
An “ad hominem†argument is an attempt to make a false proposition appear true by attacking the authority of those who hold contrary opinions. For example:
Bush is a greedy, greedy man, so therefore
Bush is a bad President.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
When I need lecturing by someone of your intellect, I’ll seek out a ’special-ed’ class…
Actually an Ad Hominem is either an argument based on someone’s “prejudices” and it appeals to those rather than their intellect, or it’s an attack on their character. Like your posts that are based on your prejudices against *libruls*. So for instance claiming that someone is a flipflopper, or a coward to ignore their positions on issues. You know, swiftboating, what you wingnuts specialize in. Those are Ad Hominem’s child…
Do yourself a favor, buy a better dictionary. Attacks for trolls 101 was written by an illiterate wingnut like yourself.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:46 pmThis was a treat… I needed to go an hour ago… Reluctantly, I have no choice now…
You guys are awesome. VVGFU – thanks for educating teh trollson what their religion actually says… LOL :)
Later!
May 15th, 2007 at 7:46 pmNow, if Bush is a greedy man, it does not logically follow that he will be a bad President. All that we can infer from the fact the he is greedy is that he will go out of his way to obtain and keep money.
We cannot make a claim about the way he will do his job. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
Oh, dear st*pid child. You really don’t realize the various meanings of Ad Hominem do you? Oh well. Another dictionary deficient RepubliCON.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:47 pmNow, a “secundum quid” or hasty generalization, is quite different.
Say you have never driven a BMW, and the first time you do, it breaks down.
Based on that information alone, if you were to say “All BMWs are lemons”, then you would be committing the fallacy “secundum quid”.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:47 pmLogging off-severe storm hitting here now.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:50 pmYeah right, Professor my ass.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
You said you were 24. Was that a lie, or are you lying now?
Everything you said in #559 is as much crap as anything Professor Colby’s has said.
Just sayin’
I’M SO IGNORANT I NEED AN UNDERGRAD TO POINT OUT MY ERRORS!!!!!!!!!
Well, you do.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:50 pmSo now let’s see what the good ol’ prof. wrote in his post.
“Everyone,
A few thoughtless people (Valiant Venus among others) think that the scattered gleeful comments about Falwell’s death posted here somehow invalidate liberalism. This is a logical fallacy (the ad hominem fallacy). It is akin to treating the Crusades or Inquisition as evidence of the immorality of Christianity, Pol Pot as evidence of the immorality of Communism, or the behavior of Tom Cruise as evidence of the falsity of Scientology. Anyone who has had a course in critical thinking in college should have learned this.”
The fallacy described here is obviously NOT the ad hominem, but rather, it is the secundum quid, as I rightly assert.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:50 pmNow, a “secundum quid†or hasty generalization, is quite different.
Say you have never driven a BMW, and the first time you do, it breaks down.
Based on that information alone, if you were to say “All BMWs are lemonsâ€, then you would be committing the fallacy “secundum quidâ€.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
I guess it never dawned on you that “secundum quid” often leads to “ad hominem” attacks? You know, like a liberal idea that you don’t like makes liberalism bad – therefore the wingnut forms an ad hominem attack based on the fallacy of liberalism being bad, and the prejudice associated with that?
I know this is all over your head child – but do try to keep up. If you really are the *best* of conservative logicians – that explains why your side always manages to f*ck up every enterprise of import.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:51 pm“By the way, my real name is A.P.D. Mourelatos, I’m a real life Professor of Ancient Philosophy at UT Austin, I’ve published several books and am one of the most well respect scholars in my field… but yet… I STILL DON’T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN AD HOMINEM AND A SECUNDUM QUID, in fact, I’M SO IGNORANT I NEED AN UNDERGRAD TO POINT OUT MY ERRORS!!!!!!!!!”
I have no stake in this particular argument, but I wanted to duplicate the above because it proves that one can have a PhD (presumably) and still act like a stupid jackass. How many hours have you wasted debating a trivia question about the correct forms of fallacies (answer: 4 hours and 8 minutes from first post to last).
And this from the guy who wants to tell everyone else that NOBODY CARES ad nauseum.
Please don’t bother to correct my Latin.
In the end, you have to resort to an ad hominem elitest attack on “AN UNDERGRAD” (oh the horrors) and by extension everyone else of less dazzling academic heights as yourself.
And yet despite your vast intellectual capacity, you still defend the bankrupt policies of the Right. Wow.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:52 pmYou guys are awesome. VVGFU – thanks for educating teh trollson what their religion actually says… LOL :) Later! Comment by unbelievable — May 15, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
Oh it’s way fun! Especially on a thread about a wingnut *literalist* like Falwell – who believed every word of the *bible* is perfect!!
May 15th, 2007 at 7:52 pmOh, dear st*pid child. You really don’t realize the various meanings of Ad Hominem do you? Oh well. Another dictionary deficient RepubliCON.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
There is only one meaning VVGFU
May 15th, 2007 at 7:53 pmI guess it never dawned on you that “secundum quid†often leads to “ad hominem†attacks?
Oh, I know. But, you see, that was never my concern. I was merely shocked to see the a supposed “Professor” did not know the difference between the two.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:55 pmThe fallacy described here is obviously NOT the ad hominem, but rather, it is the secundum quid, as I rightly assert.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
He said you were right, and gave you the reason. Give it a rest, for f*ck’s sake.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:55 pmThe fallacy described here is obviously NOT the ad hominem, but rather, it is the secundum quid, as I rightly assert. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Ah, but it’s based on her prejudice of liberalism – an Ad Hominem…
Sorry child, but her entire post is based to appeal to feelings rather than intellect. It’s based on a *prejudice* and an emotional response as opposed to the facts. Because the facts don’t back up the prejudice… See how it can be both? Or are you still confused – child?
Main Entry: 1ad ho·mi·nem
May 15th, 2007 at 7:56 pmPronunciation: (’)ad-’hä-m&-”nem, -n&m
Function: adjective
Etymology: New Latin, literally, to the person
1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
Mr. President,
If you’re really whom you say you are, yet you were rude enough to publicly call me–a professional colleague–a “schmuck,” you really show your lack of integrity or, perhaps, a psychological disorder. So much for my being polite and respectful with you about your initial post. Assuming that you do know about fallacies and was trained in philosophy, why so much personal invective, insult, sarcasm, and hostility toward me? This little dispute is unworthy of you. You’ve demeaned yourself. Moreover, imagine–if you can–what others here on TP will make of this exchange of ours. If two philosophers–you know, people supposedly devoted to truth, reason, and the life of the mind–can’t have a civil exchange, how can liberals and conservatives do so? Or Democrats and Republicans? You should try harder to serve as a model of intellectual and moral integrity. Most of the people who visit this site haven’t had our educations (mine, at Columbia and Oxford), and we should try to benefit the community.
P.S. Why are you so suspicious of the Internet? As Zooey said, just do a search at Columbia and Rutgers; you’ll find me. You can even send me an e-mail to insult me further if it makes you happy.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:57 pmThere is only one meaning VVGFU
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
Actually – there are *two*. Perhaps you should allocate some of that beer money for a dictionary?
Main Entry: 1ad ho·mi·nem
May 15th, 2007 at 7:57 pmPronunciation: (’)ad-’hä-m&-”nem, -n&m
Function: adjective
Etymology: New Latin, literally, to the person
1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent’s character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
Comment by gorn by any other name — May 15, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
Dude, I’m the undergrad.
I was just telling Z that it doesn’t matter if pseudo-professor colby claims to be the real professor colby. Anyone can make shit up. I’m not Mourelatos. jeezus friggin’ christ
May 15th, 2007 at 7:58 pmWe are apes, and our ancestors were different types of apes, so technically, we did evolve from a different type of ape…
That would be more accurate. It doesn’t make much sense to say we are apes and we evolved from apes. We can’t evolve from ourselves. So, granting you the broadest definition of apes you could say we are apes who evolved from a different type of ape.
I think it’s somewhat more clear to state it this way:
1. Modern humans and modern apes evolved from a common ancestor.
2. All known life forms evolved from a common ancestor.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:59 pmI will never forgive Falwell for outing Tinky Winky. It almost ruined his career.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:59 pmhttp://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/#51937
No tears for Falwell on Alternet.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:59 pmNow, a “secundum quid†or hasty generalization, is quite different.
Say you have never driven a BMW, and the first time you do, it breaks down.
Based on that information alone, if you were to say “All BMWs are lemonsâ€, then you would be committing the fallacy “secundum quidâ€.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
A more correct analogy would be to work for an American car company, and intentionally drive by a BMW repair shop and see cars being repaired and therefore conclude that BMWs are unsafe. As that would be based on a prejudice, and appealing to the emotion involved in misrepresenting the other side of prejudicial reasons.
I hope that helps clear it up for you son.
May 15th, 2007 at 7:59 pmDude, I’m the undergrad.
I was just telling Z that it doesn’t matter if pseudo-professor colby claims to be the real professor colby. Anyone can make shit up. I’m not Mourelatos. jeezus friggin’ christ
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
You mean as you’ve made things up? We know child. No one believes any of the sh*t you post, because you’re a hate filled, dishonest troll that represents dishonest, dangerous and immoral wingnut values. See – that’s another Ad Hominem – unfortunately mine is based on that liberal of all biases – *reality*.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:01 pmWow, this thread sure brought out the Super Stupids, Valiant Douche Bag Scum Sucking Subhuman Knuckle Dragging Bottom Feeder, and that type are showing just how ignorant and well, just plain evil they are.
Hey VDBSSSKDBF you are just as stupid today as yesterday, and not getting any better at it. FY
Hating the repukian retards daily
May 15th, 2007 at 8:02 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
How many times do I have to tell you? I didn’t read her post. I READ PSEUDO-PROFESSOR COLBY’S POST,
… you know, the one were he describes a secundum quid but calls it ad hominem.
I never argued that VV only committed the secundum quid, I ONLY ARGUED THAT PSEUDOPROF. C. WAS WRONG IN HIS DESCRIPTION OF AN AD HOMINEM.
Read his post, then read the definitions you just pasted on the thread.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:02 pmjeezus friggin’ christ
Hey, dogbreath, do you mind? If you are going to put out the call, it’s “Jesus Christ”, “Jesus H Christ”, “Jesus Christ on a cracker” or something like that.
How’d you like it if I called you Mr. ‘F***ing’ President?
Jesus.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:02 pmDude, I’m the undergrad.
I was just telling Z that it doesn’t matter if pseudo-professor colby claims to be the real professor colby. Anyone can make shit up. I’m not Mourelatos. jeezus friggin’ christ
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
You can’t just say that straight out? You felt the need to be a jackass, instead.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:04 pmThe fallacy described here is obviously NOT the ad hominem, but rather, it is the secundum quid, as I rightly assert.
Jeebus, why can’t you give it a rest?
Quote from yourself:
N O B O D Y C A R E S ! ! !
You remind me of the guy who latched on during the great Imus controversy and could not let go of his trivia point. Spent DAYS going on about it. You aren’t the same person, are you?
May 15th, 2007 at 8:04 pmMr. President,
If you’re really whom you say you are, yet you were rude enough to publicly call me–a professional colleague–a “schmuck,†you really show your lack of integrity or, perhaps, a psychological disorder. So much for my being polite and respectful with you about your initial post. Assuming that you do know about fallacies and was trained in philosophy, why so much personal invective, insult, sarcasm, and hostility toward me? This little dispute is unworthy of you. You’ve demeaned yourself. Moreover, imagine–if you can–what others here on TP will make of this exchange of ours. If two philosophers–you know, people supposedly devoted to truth, reason, and the life of the mind–can’t have a civil exchange, how can liberals and conservatives do so? Or Democrats and Republicans? You should try harder to serve as a model of intellectual and moral integrity. Most of the people who visit this site haven’t had our educations (mine, at Columbia and Oxford), and we should try to benefit the community.
P.S. Why are you so suspicious of the Internet? As Zooey said, just do a search at Columbia and Rutgers; you’ll find me. You can even send me an e-mail to insult me further if it makes you happy.
Comment by Prof. Mark Colby — May 15, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
Dude, who do think I am?
I’m obviously not Mourelatos, he is in his 70’s and doesn’t give a shit about this type of thing.
P.S. Hey pseudo-professor colby, I hope this is as much fun for you as it is for me.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:06 pmI wasn’t insulting you
May 15th, 2007 at 8:07 pmHow many times do I have to tell you? I didn’t read her post. I READ PSEUDO-PROFESSOR COLBY’S POST,
… you know, the one were he describes a secundum quid but calls it ad hominem. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
Well, that’s your st*pid fault. Because that description can be *both*. – dum bass.
I never argued that VV only committed the secundum quid, I ONLY ARGUED THAT PSEUDOPROF. C. WAS WRONG IN HIS DESCRIPTION OF AN AD HOMINEM. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
And you seem to have lost the concept that it can be both, if it’s based on appealing to *fear* and *prejudice* as is the case.
Read his post, then read the definitions you just pasted on the thread.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
Read the definition for ad-hominem, and rub those little crusty eyes of yours, and realize that some problems have more than one answer based on *context*.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:09 pmProf. Colby seems unable to identify and discuss a variety of fallacies when Prog/Liberals hurl them……but perhaps I missed his insightful notations…..
VVGFU – What about your “liberal” idea that conservatism/capitalism are bad therefore, leading to your continual ad hominem attacks based on the fallacy of conservatism being bad (and your obvious prejudice associated with that viewpoint?) Pot….meet Kettle…..
Tooodles…………
May 15th, 2007 at 8:09 pmI was just telling Z that it doesn’t matter if pseudo-professor colby claims to be the real professor colby. Anyone can make shit up. I’m not Mourelatos. jeezus friggin’ christ
Prof. Colby has amply shown by his behavior that, even if he is not who he says he is, he is worthy of respect.
You, on the other hand, seem in need of counseling.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:10 pmDude, who do think I am?
I’m obviously not Mourelatos, he is in his 70’s and doesn’t give a shit about this type of thing.
P.S. Hey pseudo-professor colby, I hope this is as much fun for you as it is for me.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
It’s fun for you to look like a Jake*ss?
As the Prof has pointed out, you can contact him if you don’t believe who he is. You however, are clearly a fool, a fraud, and an intellectual idiot…
For someone that loves philosophy, you’re devoid of any understanding of its meaning, practices or tools. You’re a complete fraud and loser – son.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:10 pmI wasn’t insulting you
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
You insult everyone. You’re just passive aggressive, and dishonest doing so. Get therapy – loser.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:11 pmRot in hell you evil assh*le! HAHAHAHAHAHA, one less retard on this miserable orb.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:13 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
I never denied that, in fact, I explicitly said that sometimes fallacies overlap. However, his description was wrong, that is all I said.
From HIS DESCRIPTION of the fallacy committed by VV alone, which is…
“A few thoughtless people (Valiant Venus among others) think that the scattered gleeful comments about Falwell’s death posted here somehow invalidate liberalism. This is a logical fallacy (the ad hominem fallacy). It is akin to treating the Crusades or Inquisition as evidence of the immorality of Christianity, Pol Pot as evidence of the immorality of Communism, or the behavior of Tom Cruise as evidence of the falsity of Scientology. Anyone who has had a course in critical thinking in college should have learned this”
We clearly have a secundum quid, and a phoney professor.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:14 pmComment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
No, actually, I was insulting YOU.
I meant to say that didn’t mean to insult Zooey.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:16 pmOh and in case anyone is wondering, Jerry failed the entrance exam….
.. best of luck when the Rapture comes everyone!
May 15th, 2007 at 8:16 pmNo, actually, I was insulting YOU.
I meant to say that didn’t mean to insult Zooey.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
What else can you do – I made a fool of you…
May 15th, 2007 at 8:19 pmI never denied that, in fact, I explicitly said that sometimes fallacies overlap. However, his description was wrong, that is all I said. Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
It’s not wrong – it overlaps. Did you notice how *all* of the examples he used are in fact ones that tend to represent a form of *prejudice* of opinion. Religious and/or political? You just weren’t *smart* enough to pick up on that fact, and you falsely concluded a point.
We clearly have a secundum quid, and a phoney professor.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
We clearly have someone that doesn’t understand something can be two things at once… As for the professor, as he already stated, he can be reached – it’s *you* that’s the *phony*. I suggest you learn to spell a word, before you use it. You won’t look so incapable and incompetent that way.
For someone that’s a stickler for the *correct usage* of a term, you sure do mispell them in copious quantities…
May 15th, 2007 at 8:23 pmIf anyone needed an object lesson in how to waste 6-7 hours arguing with a troll, this would be a useful thread to flag. In the end, the only result is that the troll has a woodie.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:24 pmPot….meet Kettle…..
Tooodles…………
Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
Is that what your dad told your momma? That explains why a little girl with Anorexia has such a big *ss!
I wrote a nice little explanation for why your whole post was such a funny little mark of hypocrisy and lack of understanding – but I guess I was filtered for my *colorful* descriptions of you within it.
Lets just suffice it to say – BAHAHAHAAHA, what a st*pid post from you! As always, you never disappoint with your st*pidity!
May 15th, 2007 at 8:25 pmIf anyone needed an object lesson in how to waste 6-7 hours arguing with a troll, this would be a useful thread to flag. In the end, the only result is that the troll has a woodie. Comment by gummitch — May 15, 2007 @ 8:24 pm
meow….
And that many people realize exactly how st*pid the bible is, with it’s flat earth *literal* b*llsh*t that the Falwell’s of the world believe. Fools.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:26 pmOh never mind venus ben laden – that colorful post of mine showed back up! You can see exactly how st*pid you were now. You won’t understand it – but you can see it!
May 15th, 2007 at 8:27 pmOh, and by the way, Mr. President – calling the professor “phony” is an example of another “Ad Hominem”… This one committed by you – of course. Poor loser boy.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:31 pmDamn, I forgot to leave my trademark on this thread.
NOBODY CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 15th, 2007 at 8:33 pm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh, and by the way, Mr. President – calling the professor “phony†is an example of another “Ad Hominemâ€â€¦ This one committed by you – of course. Poor loser boy.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 8:31 pm
So what? You haven’t even been following the argument have you?
May 15th, 2007 at 8:34 pmBest wishes for the family.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:36 pmDamn, I forgot to leave my trademark on this thread.
NOBODY CARES!
Um, yeah. Good chance that Mr. President = WORFEUS.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:39 pmDamn, I forgot to leave my trademark on this thread.
NOBODY CARES!!
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
You do. It’s why you can’t admit when you’re wrong.
So what? You haven’t even been following the argument have you? Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
Sure, but you haven’t. Otherwise you wouldn’t call a professor that’s publicly *exposed* a phony (a sad ad hominem), and you would recognize why you were in fact wrong in your own fallacy in the conclusion you made. See in a *proof*, it’s only valid if there’s one and only one answer that can be reached. While you were correct in the fallacy you pointed out, you incorrectly concluded that one and only one fallacy could appear as posted.
One could argue you are guilty of a Modus ponendo tollens. Or in simple terms, you jumped to a conclusion.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:46 pmUm, yeah. Good chance that Mr. President = WORFEUS.
Comment by gorn by any other name — May 15, 2007 @ 8:39 pm
Doubtful. Worfeus isn’t st*pid.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:46 pmBURN IN HELL, MR. FALWELL.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:47 pmOne could argue you are guilty of a Modus ponendo tollens. Or in simple terms, you jumped to a conclusion.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
Actually, your now talking about formal logic, and nobody could construct a modus tollens out of my position.
But go ahead and try; prove me wrong.
May 15th, 2007 at 8:54 pmGood Riddance!
May 15th, 2007 at 8:58 pmQ: Why can’t Jesus eat M&M’s?
A: Because they fall through the holes in his hands
ps; Falwell’s still dead right?
May 15th, 2007 at 9:07 pmBURN IN HELL, MR. FALWELL.
Comment by Joe — May 15, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
I’m waiting to find out who was talking to Falwell, telling him that he was going to see the rapture in his lifetime. Because if it was god, that would make god a liar, which of course flies in the face of Christianity. If it wasn’t god, who’s been feeding Falwell all of his *prophecies* these many years?
May 15th, 2007 at 9:09 pmA previous post mentioned Carl Sagan. Carl Sagan is very much missed in the world today. I’ll never forget his “Pale Blue Dot” speech, after Voyager took that famous photo:
“We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you’ve ever heard of, every human being who ever was lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity — in all this vastness — there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It’s been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we’ve ever known.”
Now compare that to some of the hate-mongering, homophobic, idiotic crap that fell out of Jerry Falwell’s pie-hole.
In a thousand years, who do you think Humanity will remember more? I’ll give you a hint: It’s not Jerry Falwell!
May 15th, 2007 at 9:09 pmJerry, for my friend who died in the Northridge Earthquake, just an ordinary kid with hopes and dreams, and whose memory you scummed over with your declaration that that tragedy was God’s punishment to us freaks on the West Coast, F*ck you, I hope you had time to feel fear, I hope it hurt like a bitch even if only for just a few seconds, and don’t let the door hit you on the way DOWN.
May 15th, 2007 at 9:23 pmActually, your now talking about formal logic, and nobody could construct a modus tollens out of my position.
But go ahead and try; prove me wrong.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
There are a few. I already posted one that appeared to get eaten, here are others…
If this is an ad hominem fallacy, then it should be based on a personal attack.
It isn’t a personal attack that I recognize,
Therefore it isn’t an ad hominem.
If this is an ad hominem fallacy, then it will have characteristics that I recognize.
Since I don’t recognize those characteristics,
Therefore it isn’t an ad hominem.
If this is an ad hominem fallacy, then the examples cited will represent this.
Since I found another fallacy that also describes the examples,
Therefore it isn’t an ad hominem.
If this is an ad hominem fallacy, then it shows prejudice.
Since I don’t think those are prejudices in my world view,
Therefore it isn’t an ad hominem.
There are several possible paths you could have falsely taken – alas only you know why you failed.
May 15th, 2007 at 9:27 pmSurprise, surprise, surprise!
May 15th, 2007 at 9:33 pmNot what you expected, eh?
Better luck next time around the wheel, Rev. Foulsmell.
I hope your pal ranting ronnie raygun kicks your fat ass around the cosmos for a couple of centuries while you’re out there!
Perhaps we can all bow our heads and pray that Dobson is next. Oh wait, our side doesn’t do that. Condolences to those close to him. The death of one diminishes us all.
May 15th, 2007 at 9:41 pmSo when Falwell awakens from the dead, will we have to have Easter Baskets and stuff? We can give our kids little chocolate guns instead of Bunnies. Instead of painting easter egss, we can paint wooden crosses then burn them in the libruls front yards. Well as long as it’s a paid holiday, and I can cook up some weenies in my burning cross, I’m all for it.
Happy Falwell DAY!
May 15th, 2007 at 9:50 pm“That’s easy st*pid c*nt – reality has a *librul* bias…”
No, reality just IS……..You may take your liberal ideology and decide the best way to help the poor is a Welfare System which pays the dole if no father is around. Conservatives may view the same problem and decide the best way to help the poor is school vouchers to enhance their educational experience and tax cuts so a growing economy has a job for “Mom and Dad”. The lens (not reality) with which you view everything has a Liberal Bias……
Back to the late Rev. Falwell. I have a respect for a God greater than any human mind can conceive. He has a plan – we just don’t know it.
Sometime ago I was stunned when my oldest Mini-Prince told me he would not be attending religious services as he “decided he didn’t believe in God. Being a budding scientist, I told him I could prove there was a God and if he agreed, he would be attending services. I have only rudimentary science classes and forensics classes, but I proceeded along calmly. I took a sheet of paper, scratched my arm over it and made a tiny dot with a sharp pencil. He stipulated that the dot would represent the skin cells I had put on the paper but could not see without the aid of a microscope. I said, “The brilliance of man is seen in the discovery of DNA – a 6 ft. long double helix containing billions of packets of unique information inside (ergo: a smaller section of the cell) the nucleus. The arrogance of man is not recognizing the Brilliance Who created it…..
Mini-Prince was ready to go 2 minutes later. Great kid……..
May 15th, 2007 at 9:57 pmYou may take your liberal ideology and decide the best way to help the poor is a Welfare System which pays the dole if no father is around.
Sorry to disappoint you, Hag, but most single mothers are not on welfare.
Mini-Prince was ready to go 2 minutes later. Great kid……..
Comment by valiant venus
Children learn better if they are allowed to think for themselves — mistakes and all.
I’m glad you don’t actually have children.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:02 pmHe’s gone to the great Tubbytronic Superdome in the sky.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:06 pmeh-oh
VVGFU,
Good effort. But you need to clear up the premises of those syllogisms.
All that is left, then, would be for you to show where I argued from those premises for the conclusions that you indicate.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:09 pmZoooey – I see we agree on something. I merely presented the little Prince with my argument. He chose his conclusion…..
I’m glad your children are off to college – a liberal school is probably alot more balanced than their mothers’ tutelage……….
Toooodles……………………….
May 15th, 2007 at 10:09 pmvv says “toodles”,
I says, begone, serpent of the night.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:15 pmI’m glad your children are off to college – a liberal school is probably alot more balanced than their mothers’ tutelage……….
Comment by valiant venus
My sons love their fellow human beings, and contribute to society.
Try it sometime.
Please tell us again the funny story about your imaginary dead child. It’s always a favorite, and it demonstrates your superior sick f*ck haggery.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:21 pm>I was merely shocked to see the
> a supposed “Professor†did not
>know the difference between the two.
Unless the guy is a latin professor, or perphaps a philosophy professor, theres no reason why he should neccesarily know what these latin phrases mean.
This thread must, by far, be the most assasine thread I’ve ever read.
One of my undergrad majors was philosophy. While it can serve as a solid base for a career in law or other profession that requires analytical through, in and of itself it serves as little more than mental masterbation.
So ANYONE…ANYONE proudly brandishing thier scholarly knowledge of philosophy and philosophical terms is the intellectually equivalent of a monkey proudly holding aloft the poo he just made from his behind.
So Mr. President, instead of strutting around like a peacock trying to dazzle us with your vastly superior undergrad philosophy degree knowledge, I suggest you begin to look elsewhere (perphaps grad school in a REAL field of study) to prove your intellectual merit. Frankly, the number 1 destination of people who think their philosophy degree makes them superior to others is either a) the manager at mcdonalds or b) on the street corner asking for change..
And mighty venus, I love how you continue with this “I’m a lawyer I have to go see a client now” lie when you can’t even demonstrate rudimentary knowledge of the exam you supposedly took to become one. Your a fraud and a fake just like everyone and everything you support.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:22 pm“Oh it’s way fun! Especially on a thread about a wingnut *literalist* like Falwell – who believed every word of the *bible* is perfect!!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 15, 2007 @ 7:52 pm”
You’re great at it… Always enjoy your reasoning skills and vast knowledge. Lets do it again… :D
May 15th, 2007 at 10:24 pm“That would be more accurate. It doesn’t make much sense to say we are apes and we evolved from apes. We can’t evolve from ourselves. So, granting you the broadest definition of apes you could say we are apes who evolved from a different type of ape.”
I did. I said ’smaller apes’ because I was considering my audience, and figured telling him the evolutionary series of our species from our extinct human forefather “homo sapiens idaltu” backward through homo erectus, homo hablis, austrolopiticus and so on would have been lost on such a, well, monkey brain…
“I think it’s somewhat more clear to state it this way:
1. Modern humans and modern apes evolved from a common ancestor.
2. All known life forms evolved from a common ancestor.
Comment by gorn by any other name — May 15, 2007 @ 7:59 pm”
I doubt he would get that either… he sees them all as monkeys and thinks Darwin said that we came from chimps :D
May 15th, 2007 at 10:31 pmYou’re great at it… Always enjoy your reasoning skills and vast knowledge. Lets do it again… :D
Comment by unbelievable — May 15, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
Oh, crud. Unbelievable is fawning again. Can you maybe start giving a warning post before you do that so you don’t make people gag? :0
May 15th, 2007 at 10:35 pmWorfeus is not Mr. President
May 15th, 2007 at 10:37 pmThey donated his chin to science.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:38 pmMini-Prince was ready to go 2 minutes later. Great kid……..
Comment by valiant venus
No offense, but that’s one of the stupidest “proof” stories I’ve ever heard. You left out all the intense brainwashing that had to precede the episode so that the mini-prince had lost the ability to think rationally.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:41 pmWhen do ya think they’ll bleed him out and embalm him?
May 15th, 2007 at 10:45 pm“Oh, crud. Unbelievable is fawning again. Can you maybe start giving a warning post before you do that so you don’t make people gag? :0
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 10:35 pm”
It’s called a compliment. I know you don’t know what that is, since no one ever pays them to you, but I’m too smart to ‘fawn’. I just have lived in a state loaded with hate-filled neocons perverts just long enough to be appreciative of other intelligent freethinkers.
Now take off your jealousy hat and go to bed – it’s way, way, way past your bedtime mister…
May 15th, 2007 at 10:46 pmMini-prince? Is MA talking about her paid tricks, I mean ‘escots’ on TP again? Sheesh…
May 15th, 2007 at 10:48 pmROASTING ON A SPIT IN HELL !!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 15th, 2007 at 10:50 pmOh, crud. Unbelievable is fawning again. Can you maybe start giving a warning post before you do that so you don’t make people gag? :0
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 10:35 pm
Maybe you could give a warning before you show up, so we can fire up our Incredul-o-meters and pull on our hipwaders. Thanks….
May 15th, 2007 at 10:51 pmJerry “Fall” Well.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:51 pmWhen do ya think they’ll bleed him out and embalm him?
Comment by ForTruth — May 15, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
No matter what they do, that old boy is turning to soap.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:52 pmHappy “Jerry Falwell is Dead” Day. Lets make it a national holiday for the paegans.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:55 pmI enjoy the bit where MA talks about her battery-powered friend: “The Marine Colonel”. Boo-rah!
May 15th, 2007 at 10:57 pmGummy – Many rational people believe in God. Rene Descartes, a brilliant mathematician and compulsive gambler, is one of my favourite examples of an atheist who looked at the evidence and decided to “hedge his bet”. It wasn’t a “proof” story in an adult sense. I don’t doubt evolution or the science which proves it. I think to believe that all of this started from nothing but a bang without God the Designer is foolish. But everyone who lives in a free society is free to be foolish.
BTW, The “brainwashing” he got was from a neighbour, the Unitarian Universalist “minister”……I respectfully told her she was entitled to her views, but her opinions were none of my families business. I told her I would refrain from prosletyzing to her children and asked that she do the same.
May 15th, 2007 at 10:59 pmSo you buy lottery tickets then MA?
May 15th, 2007 at 11:01 pmOh man I feel terrible for taking part in this hate fest of a dead man….
May 15th, 2007 at 11:04 pmUnbelovable – You’re one of the few “intellectuals” around here who calls someone a prostitute and thinks that’s an argument……poor thing!
May 15th, 2007 at 11:04 pmGummy – Many rational people believe in God. Rene Descartes, a brilliant mathematician and compulsive gambler, is one of my favourite examples of an atheist who looked at the evidence and decided to “hedge his betâ€.
Comment by valiant venus
I do not dispute that rational people can believe in God. What I dispute is that anyone in possession of rational analysis would accept your “logical” as evidence of God, much less proof.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:05 pmOh man I feel terrible for taking part in this hate fest of a dead man….
Comment by ForTruth
You do not. :-D
May 15th, 2007 at 11:06 pmBTW, The “brainwashing†he got was from a neighbour, the Unitarian Universalist “ministerâ€â€¦â€¦I respectfully told her she was entitled to her views, but her opinions were none of my families business. I told her I would refrain from prosletyzing to her children and asked that she do the same.
Comment by valiant venus
Oh that’s a good one, MA. Good thing you don’t have children.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:07 pmWe’re all prostitutes to something Valient Toenail.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:13 pmI think to believe that all of this started from nothing but a bang without God the Designer is foolish.
Even if you grant God the privilege of firing off the Big Bang, He/She/It is so constrained by science’s flashlight shining into the room of the Universe, that the last remaining corner for God precludes any impact on the life of an individual….. so why then should any conceit that the human is even noticed by God remain.
If I were you, I would get into the basement, rather than pray for God to steer the tornado over those Muslims/Gays/Atheists/Libruls who live next door.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:15 pmZoooette – Imagine my surprise that a “minister” didn’t believe in God….admittedly, I knew little about UU before this came up. Went to their website and concluded it was pretty much a religious free-for-all. What you “conclude” about my family is of no importance to me.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:15 pmUh, that should be “accept your ‘logic’ as evidence of God”.
That’s what I get for not drinking.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:16 pm4Truth – “We’re all prostitutes to something….”
Realllly?? What are you a prostitute to?
May 15th, 2007 at 11:17 pmWe’re all prostitutes to something Valient Toenail.
Comment by ForTruth
What are you a prostitute to, Truth?
May 15th, 2007 at 11:19 pmI have a piggy bank full of quarters. :D
but I’m too smart to ‘fawn’.
Comment by unbelievable — May 15, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
Not quite so smart as you think you are because you do it regularly.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:21 pmZoooette – Imagine my surprise that a “minister†didn’t believe in God….admittedly, I knew little about UU before this came up. Went to their website and concluded it was pretty much a religious free-for-all.
Maybe in your tiny world, hun.
What you “conclude†about my family is of no importance to me.
Comment by valiant venus
And yet, you continue to respond to me. What does that say about YOU? :-D
May 15th, 2007 at 11:21 pmThat’s what I get for not drinking.
Comment by gummitch — May 15, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
I recommend drinking. :-)
May 15th, 2007 at 11:22 pmZoooette – Imagine my surprise that a “minister†didn’t believe in God….admittedly, I knew little about UU before this came up. Went to their website and concluded it was pretty much a religious free-for-all. What you “conclude†about my family is of no importance to me.
Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
Actually, VV, the first “U” stands for Unitarian, that means that we believe their is only one god (as opposed to “the trinity”). The second “U”, Universalist, merely signifies that no one will be turned away because of what they believe (as long as they respect the beliefs of others).
So, it is not a “free-for-all”.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:23 pmTurtle – God granted US the one thing that separates humans from animals…Free Will. Unfortunately, that same free will may be the eternal undoing of many. You seem to be trying to understand or regard God from the very limited resources of the human brain. When I quit trying to ascribe humanity (with it’s strengths and weaknesses) to God I was able to conclude that I did not possess the depth of knowledge to fathom the Plan – no one does.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:25 pmThe bible says what it says. And if it’s so divine, then you can’t misinterpret it. Comment by unbelievable — May 15, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Because the Bible is divinely inspired, imperfect humans can’t misinterpret it? Ummm yeah, that makes perfect sense.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:25 pmIf there was evidence, you would need no faith.
Comment by Crump’s Brother
…Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed’ (John 20:26-29).
May 15th, 2007 at 11:28 pmSo, it is not a “free-for-allâ€.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 11:23 pm
Cool, Mr P. :-)
May 15th, 2007 at 11:30 pm…Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed’ (John 20:26-29).
Comment by upright left
Jesus was a man. That’s all. A great man, but only a man.
I have this land I’ve been trying to sell in Louisiana…..would you be interested?
May 15th, 2007 at 11:32 pmMr. President – I understand the Unitary concept of God (I mentioned I went to their website, remember?) Perhaps, that is why I was shocked that the “minister” explained her lack of belief. She politely explained that they had theists, atheists, agnostics, and other “freethinkers” in their congregation and that the congregation was dedicated to “progressive social justice”……And actually, they are freeee to “think” whatever they want – so as long as they “respect” others beliefs, it’s still pretty much a religious free-for-all….
(Thanks for the tip – I hadn’t split enough hairs for one evening.)
May 15th, 2007 at 11:32 pm#677 – Zoooette – Unbelovable says you’re doing very well in your fawning lessons!!!! Congrats!
May 15th, 2007 at 11:35 pmGod granted US the one thing that separates humans from animals…Free Will Really? Tell me this, is homosexuality a choice grounded in freewill? If it is then no other animal would ever consider homosexual behavior… if it is not, then oops, homosexuality is a natural condition of humanity….sorry Jerry.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article1288633.ece
Oops, so much for freewill. Funny how one of fundamental Christianity’s basic tenets, that homos choose to burn, actually bolsters the probability that God either doesn’t exist or at best doesn’t give a toss?
When I quit trying to ascribe humanity (with it’s strengths and weaknesses) to God I was able to conclude that I did not possess the depth of knowledge to fathom the Plan – no one does.
Er, maybe there isn’t a Plan…..?
May 15th, 2007 at 11:39 pm#677 – Zoooette – Unbelovable says you’re doing very well in your fawning lessons!!!! Congrats!
Comment by valiant venus
Unf*ckable Hag,
Please try to reference the proper comment, then I might have some idea what you’re talking about.
Start smoking crack later in the evening — that might help.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:41 pmUpright left- As you know, faith is a Gift which is accepted. Atheists are loved by God, but unfortunately, they keep shoving the gift back in His face….
May 15th, 2007 at 11:42 pmJesus was a man. That’s all. A great man, but only a man.
I have this land I’ve been trying to sell in Louisiana…..would you be interested?
Comment by Zooey — May 15, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
Why would an atheist think he was a great man?
May 15th, 2007 at 11:42 pmComment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 11:32 pm
Yes but VV, as Aquinas and Augustin tell us (and as you were so good to point out earlier), man is an animal that is blest with Free Will. The point of going to a church is to learn how to make better moral decisions as we exercise our Free Will. That is what the beauty of religion is, not so much the mythological or metaphysical revelations, and certainly not the bigotry that can be found in Evangelical sermons.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:43 pmWhy would an atheist think he was a great man?
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
Why don’t you ask someone who is an atheist.
Remember, I don’t do labels.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:45 pmWhy would an atheist think he was a great man?
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
Why don’t you ask someone who is an atheist.
Remember, I don’t do labels.
Comment by Zooey — May 15, 2007 @ 11:45 pm
*sigh* Ok zooey, why do YOU think he was a great man? (Had to double check to make sure this post didn’t come from Juan. Oh the tedium.)
May 15th, 2007 at 11:48 pmWhy would an atheist think he was a great man?
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
Why would a Fundy think that Newton was a great man? He shattered the Biblical view of the Universe and yet spent most of life trying to reconcile his mathematics to Christianity…next time you fly thank Newton for your safe arrival….not the Pope.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:49 pmTurtle – I don’t think homosexuals ‘choose to burn’ – they choose how to behave. All human sexual behaviour is linked to free will. (Nice link….the secular progressive Norwegian government ORDERS a more daring take on flukish animal behaviour to promote homosexual acceptance? No agenda there! Puh-leeese…)
May 15th, 2007 at 11:50 pmWhy would an atheist think he was a great man?
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 11:42 pm
I’d suspect the reasons would be similar to those that convince Christians he was God.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:50 pmMr. Prez – So now you’re discussing Roman Catholic theologians?? (I bet you were a varsity singles ping-pong player! Whew!) Thank you for not addressing the point I made about the UU’s……I’m too tired for tedious…..
May 15th, 2007 at 11:54 pmman is an animal that is blest with Free Will.
OK, what are you talking about? This is simply another human conceit that you can’t prove. Sorry ‘have faith’ doesn’t cut it here, Thomas Aquinas – you’ll need to do better than that. Your God and you are related the same way that I am related to the ants that have been trying to get under my garage door at home. I’m sure that half of them think that the half that were powdered last week were paying for worshipping a false idol over by the juniper bush…. Jesus H Christ….
May 15th, 2007 at 11:54 pmvaliant venus
“faith” is what is needed for those who have no evidence to support their claim.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:54 pmI’d suspect the reasons would be similar to those that convince Christians he was God.
Comment by Mr. President — May 15, 2007 @ 11:50 pm
Except atheists don’t believe the Bible.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:57 pmY’all quit arguin over me. I’m dead now.
BTW, I can see Valient Venus is a large hairy man wearing a thong.
May 15th, 2007 at 11:59 pm*sigh* Ok zooey, why do YOU think he was a great man? (Had to double check to make sure this post didn’t come from Juan. Oh the tedium.)
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 11:48 pm
Thanks for the compliment. Juan is a great person — very compassionate.
If Jesus was an actual person, and I think he may have been, he had a good message for the people. You can have a really positive outlook on life, and a great message, and still not be the son of god.
Look at Martin Luther King Jr, or Ghandi. Do you think either of them are the son of god? If not, why not?
May 16th, 2007 at 12:00 amIf he was right, let his god judge the scum-bag, and let him rot in hell! He was nothing but a bigoted, racist, anti-semetic hate-monger!
May 16th, 2007 at 12:01 amFaith is a Divine Gift accepted…nothing more….nothing less.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:01 amVV,
There is actually debate amongst scholars as to Descartes’ position when it comes to God.
When Descartes heard of Galileo’s being forced to recant the ideas in his “Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems”, which put forth Copernican theories, Descartes made up his mind not to publish his own Copernican treatise, “Le Monde”, for he knew that he would have had a similar fate.
However, his rival, Blaise Pascal, was very devoted and would probable be more suitable to reference in the future.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:02 am“…I can see Valient Venus is a large hairy man wearing a thong.”
You wish!
Tooodles……………..
May 16th, 2007 at 12:03 amInteresting wasn’t it, MA. What the Norwegians do is up to them – not you. I met some polite Norwegians today who seemed to have no agenda at all.
The Times article shows the animal kingdom has myriad examples of homosexual behavior in nature. So if homosexuality is a choice as you say, then the animal kingdom must be showing ‘free will’ in engaging in homosexual behavior. Bye bye, ‘humans only blessed with free will by God’ crapola….
This ‘free will’ bs is the last bastion of the flat earthers who have the conceit that they are somehow different or at the center of the Universe and can’t handle a life without some cosmic ‘pecking order’ where they are at the top except for the top job….
May 16th, 2007 at 12:05 amFaith is a Divine Gift accepted…nothing more….nothing less.
Comment by valiant venus
Intellectual suicide. Bye, MA.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:07 amMr. Prez – And Catholic theology explains UU’s …..because?????
Thank you for bringing up Pascal – I had forgotten about him.
Will check back later
(I think Mr. Pres. is Exley…)
May 16th, 2007 at 12:07 amDescartes would have bought lottery tickets too, if had lived today. His ‘hedge’ is a false choice based on the false premise that God has an even chance of existing….. God is currently hiding out beind the Big Bang and I don’t think his numbers will ever be drawn.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:09 amExcept atheists don’t believe the Bible.
Comment by upright left — May 15, 2007 @ 11:57 pm
Why wouldn’t they?
May 16th, 2007 at 12:11 amJust because they do not read the Bible literally doesn’t mean they can not benefit from the message. Many of the stories in the Bible are not meant to be taken literally anyway, take, say, the Parable of the Talents, if we read this literally what do we learn? Not much, some guys got some talents and buried them, or spent them, etc. etc. However the True meaning of the Parable is the message: make the most out of what you have been blest with.
“If Jesus was an actual person, and I think he may have been, he had a good message for the people.”
Wrong. The Jesus character in the new testament had good messages for his in-crowd only which where the the jews. Everyone else was garbage to the Jesus character. You really should learn a bit (very few chritians do) about the jesus character of which you speak.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:11 amWhy would an atheist think he was a great man?
Comment by upright left
Because we can read.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:12 amComment by TerrytheTurtle — May 16, 2007 @ 12:09 am
Actually that was Pascal (hence the name, Pascal’s Wager)
May 16th, 2007 at 12:12 amFaith is a Divine Gift accepted…nothing more….nothing less.
Comment by valiant venus
I think I can, I think I can, I think I can…..
Faith is a cop out, nothing more, nothing less. Faith keeps humanity in the cave, afraid to come out in case he is struck by lightning….
May 16th, 2007 at 12:14 amPascal was involved in a carriage accident that robbed him of his gifted mind. I am pretty sure he came up with the lame wager after his brain trauma. Nobody with half a brain could be that stupid.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:16 amMr. Prez – So now you’re discussing Roman Catholic theologians?? (I bet you were a varsity singles ping-pong player! Whew!) Thank you for not addressing the point I made about the UU’s……I’m too tired for tedious…..
Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 11:54 pm
You didn’t have a point. All you did was say that: because the UU church holds that one must respect the beliefs of others, that makes it a religious “free-for-all”. When in fact, at that “free-for-all” one learns about the moral beliefs of Buddism, Judaism, Christianity (and all the various sects) etc. etc., and the thing is when it comes down to it, when you get rid of all the B.S. the message is relatively the same across the board. So no, it is not a “free-for-all”, that would be an unstructured anarchy.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:18 amWhoops, got my Frenchmen mixed up, my apologies Mr Pres. Speaking of Frenchmen, did you notice the French seem to have elected Mr Bean? Well you know how the French like a good mime….
May 16th, 2007 at 12:18 amComment by ted — May 16, 2007 @ 12:16 am
Pascal was actually the shit. The scholastic philosophers always had to watch what they said because the church was looking over their shoulder constantly.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:19 amHowever, his rival, Blaise Pascal, was very devoted and would probable be more suitable to reference in the future.
Comment by Mr. President
I would use Einstein. He changed Newtonian mechanics using Lorenz relations and he was a God believer. He refused to accept Heisenberg quantum mechanics because he said that God dont play dices in nature. However, human knowledge never has really cared too much about what God does or doesnt.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:20 amComment by TerrytheTurtle — May 16, 2007 @ 12:18 am
Zing!!!!!!!!!!!!
The French… heh… what a bunch of jokers.
(Except for Sartre, Descartes, Pascal, Montaigne, and all the other cool French philosophers I am leaving out)
May 16th, 2007 at 12:23 amPascal was actually the shit. The scholastic philosophers always had to watch what they said because the church was looking over their shoulder constantly.
Comment by Mr. President
Pascal was a gifted child. In the first years of life, he was very close to death. His parents sought a local herbalist and she gave him some cream. Blaise looked dead after that, the father got mad and punched the herbalist and she said: I forgot to tell you that he will look like that until tomorrow. The next day the kid began crying and he was healthy. Too bad he dedicated his adult life to religion.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:25 amSo no, it is not a “free-for-allâ€, that would be an unstructured anarchy.
Comment by Mr. President — May 16, 2007 @ 12:18 am
Ok, you’re not chav-tastic.
I take it back — for now. :-)
May 16th, 2007 at 12:25 amComment by Juan C — May 16, 2007 @ 12:20 am
Yeah, but for VV, Pascal’s Wager seems to fit better:
“If you believe in Him and He exists you gain infinite glory, if he doesn’t exist you lose nothing.”
May 16th, 2007 at 12:26 amOk, you’re not chav-tastic.
I take it back — for now. :-)
Comment by Zooey — May 16, 2007 @ 12:25 am
No, I like the chavs. I need to find some of those cool hats, though, and also I need to start smoking cigarettes.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:27 amJuan C
You are a moron.
“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
Albert Einstein, 1954
May 16th, 2007 at 12:27 amIf Jesus was an actual person, and I think he may have been, he had a good message for the people.
Look at Martin Luther King Jr, or Ghandi. Do you think either of them are the son of god? If not, why not?
Comment by Zooey — May 16, 2007 @ 12:00 am
Because the Bible foretold the Son of God and He came in the form of Jesus. The Bible didn’t say there would also be other sons of God.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:29 amHey, Terry. That Segolene Royal is a beautiful woman.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:29 amGod dont play dices in nature.
Nope, I think he was an atheist. This quote is a loose quote not grounded in any philospohy that God exists, but more he thought that random chance (quantum theory) should play no part in nature…. Einstein was making a scientific point using a religious term…. that’s all.
http://skeptically.org/thinkersonreligion/id8.html
May 16th, 2007 at 12:30 amYou are a moron.
Comment by ted —
Yeah, I had that idea too. When he was talking about quantum mechanics he was referring to what, exactly?
May 16th, 2007 at 12:32 amComment by ted — May 16, 2007 @ 12:27 am
But the thing is when Einstein said “God don’t play dice”, he wasn’t talking about a personal god. He was using a metaphor to express his belief that there was an underlying order in the universe which man could discover through science, which is basically a statement of faith.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:34 amComment by TerrytheTurtle
I know, I know. Einstein is everybody´s favorite. But he said that, he used the word God. He was a believer…in what? Well, somebody describe me exactly the idea of God. He was an atheist, thats for sure. Although it really doesnt matter.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:34 amComment by Juan C — May 16, 2007 @ 12:20 am
Yeah, but for VV, Pascal’s Wager seems to fit better:
“If you believe in Him and He exists you gain infinite glory, if he doesn’t exist you lose nothing.â€
Comment by Mr. President — May 16, 2007 @ 12:26 am
And if I buy a lottery ticket and then run about spending my wedge like Paris Hilton because the mere act of buying it made me a $12m winner, you’d think I was a rich tart, or a prat or both…..
May 16th, 2007 at 12:34 amSorry, He wasnt an atheist.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:36 amMr. Prez – I take back the inference you’re a tedious hair splitter.
So if the UU’s aren’t a denomination based on a religious/humanist “free-for-all”, lets see if you approve of this take on the denomination. The Church of “almost anything-goes – - as long as we’re respectful of everything and everyone – except conservatives”…..
When you’re current gig is up you would do well as head nit-picker or chief tick hunter…….
Adios!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 12:36 amYou really should learn a bit about the jesus character of which you speak.
Comment by ted — May 16, 2007 @ 12:11 am
You really should learn a bit about the Jesus of which you speak. You obviously haven’t.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:36 amTerrytheTurtle
That is precisely what Einstein was talking about. He felt uneasy with the Copenhagen interpretation of QM which expressed the outcome of observations of physical observables as probabilities given by the modulus square of the coefficents of expansion of the state vector in terms of eigenfunctions of the observable. For you Christians, don’t worry you will never understand what i just wrote. It takes abilities far beyond your deluded minds.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:37 amHey, Terry. That Segolene Royal is a beautiful woman.
Comment by Juan C — May 16, 2007 @ 12:29 am
Juan, she must have been a crap politician then to lose to Mr Bean for Christ’s sake! I know I can’t resist a passionate, sophisticated, socialist woman – so what was her problem?
May 16th, 2007 at 12:37 amThe Bible didn’t say there would also be other sons of God.
Comment by upright left
Read Bible. Assimilate. Repeat. Read Bible. Assimilate. Repeat. Read Bible…
May 16th, 2007 at 12:38 amWhen you’re current gig is up you would do well as head nit-picker or chief tick hunter…….
Adios!!!
Comment by valiant venus — May 16, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Dude, I don’t even know what you’re talking about?
May 16th, 2007 at 12:38 amBatteries run out on “My Marine Colonel Husband” MA? Bzzz.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:42 amMr. President, when you want, you actually make sense.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:43 amHe felt uneasy with the Copenhagen interpretation of QM which expressed the outcome of observations of physical observables as probabilities given by the modulus square of the coefficents of expansion of the state vector in terms of eigenfunctions of the observable.
Data? Data is that you? I thought you bought it at the end of Star Trek: Nemesis?
May 16th, 2007 at 12:45 amComment by Juan C — May 16, 2007 @ 12:43 am
Nah, I just got my medication refilled today is all. Should be gone by tomorrow though.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:45 amBecause the Bible foretold the Son of God and He came in the form of Jesus. The Bible didn’t say there would also be other sons of God.
Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 12:29 am
The bible? Oh yeah, the one written by fallable men, but which we’re supposed to have “faith” in. That’s really convenient — no other “sons of god.” Yeah….well, good luck with that. You’re gonna need it.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:45 amDude, I don’t even know what you’re talking about?
Comment by Mr. President
You’ve been abandoned by the Queen of the Unsalvagable Trolls.
Consider yourself lucky. :D
May 16th, 2007 at 12:48 amright-up-yours-left – ted is talking about a lack of critical historical scholarship on the times and legend of Jesus…. you spend your time reading four books supposedly selected in the 300s by a Church newly installed as the political masters of Rome then you get only the view that the Nicean Synod wishes you to have of Jesus – all politics, little factual basis.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:49 amNah, I just got my medication refilled today is all. Should be gone by tomorrow though.
Comment by Mr. President
You’re supposed to take them, not sell them :D
May 16th, 2007 at 12:49 am“When Science and Religion Collide or Why Einstein Wasn’t an Atheist”
In his day, Albert Einstein said, “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.” …
Arno Penzias, who won the Nobel Prize for physics in 1978 for his part in the discovery of the background radiation that constituted the first material evidence for the big-bang theory, does not look for direct evidence of God’s existence in the world. To the contrary: “If God created the universe,” says Penzias, who is Jewish, “he would have done it elegantly. The absence of any imprint of intervention upon creation is what we would expect from a truly all-powerful Creator.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:49 amhttp://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1997/11/slack.html
Data? Data is that you? I thought you bought it at the end of Star Trek: Nemesis?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Thats the kind of lingo that amateur physicists use in their discussions in order to sound intelligent. Like the word entropy for thermodynamicists. They use them, but they dont knoe what they are talking about.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:52 amYeah….well, good luck with that. You’re gonna need it.
Comment by Zooey — May 16, 2007 @ 12:45 am
No, actually, I won’t. If you’re right, we all end up the same. If I’m right, you’re up a creek. You’re the one who will need the luck. ;)
May 16th, 2007 at 12:52 am“If God created the universe,†says Penzias, who is Jewish, “he would have done it elegantly.
Comment by upright left
First, he discovered along with Wilson what Gamow had predicted: background radiation. They did that by scrapping bird crap out of their radars. Thats not very elegant. Heh.
Second, if God created elegantly the universe, why would he have left background radiation?
May 16th, 2007 at 12:56 amAlbert Einstein said, “Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.†Ah the meeting of faith and science – that creation can be reduced somehow to a single equation….. trouble is all that Jesus/Mohammed/smiting of the Amalakites stuff is all insignificant and irrelevant by the time you get there. It took the Pope 500 years to forgive Galileo for pointing out the obvious…..
… and with that. I have seen enough this fine day. Jerry Falwell – contrary to your ‘beliefs’ I am not a failure as a human being and I have over 5.5 billion of my fellow humans who agree with me and who think you were a full of shit, bigotted bastard too.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:58 amJuan C
I have a PhD. in physics. You are out of your league.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:59 amyou spend your time reading four books supposedly selected in the 300s by a Church newly installed as the political masters of Rome then you get only the view that the Nicean Synod wishes you to have of Jesus – all politics, little factual basis.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — May 16, 2007 @ 12:49
LOL And you take your view from Dan Brown? I’ll stick with the Bible, thanks.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:02 amNo, actually, I won’t. If you’re right, we all end up the same. If I’m right, you’re up a creek. You’re the one who will need the luck. ;)
Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 12:52 am
You’ve failed to conceive a 3rd possibility. That there’s an afterlife, and that you’re wrong, and that because you’re such a bigoted hateful piece of shit – you’ll be the one that never experiences it, or that’s in *hell*….
Good luck with – loser!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:03 amLOL And you take your view from Dan Brown? I’ll stick with the Bible, thanks. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:02 am
The problem is which *bible*? And which *parts*? There are so many to chose from, and they so contradict, that you are bound to f*ck yourself if you’re as st*pid as you are…
May 16th, 2007 at 1:04 amNah, I just got my medication refilled today is all. Should be gone by tomorrow though. Comment by Mr. President — May 16, 2007 @ 12:45 am
There isn’t enough medication to help a lunatic like you – child.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:05 amTo the contrary: “If God created the universe,†says Penzias, who is Jewish, “he would have done it elegantly. The absence of any imprint of intervention upon creation is what we would expect from a truly all-powerful Creator.
http://www.motherjones.com/ news/ feature/ 1997/ 11/ slack.html
Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 12:49 am
So you posted something that disproves your own negative response? You’re an idiot.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:06 amJerry Falwell – contrary to your ‘beliefs’ I am not a failure as a human being and I have over 5.5 billion of my fellow humans who agree with me and who think you were a full of shit, bigotted bastard too.
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — May 16, 2007 @ 12:58 am
I have no idea whether or not you are a failure as a human being, but I’m almost certain you haven’t received the acknowledgement of 5.5 billion people and I know they don’t all share your view of Falwell. Why do you want to go and lie to a dead man?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:07 amFaith is a Divine Gift accepted…nothing more….nothing less.
Comment by valiant venus — May 16, 2007 @ 12:01 am
That’s the sort of things mothers tell all of the *special* children that aren’t smart enough to think for themselves. That would be you – st*pid c*nt…
May 16th, 2007 at 1:08 amYou are out of your league.
Comment by ted
As I said, amateur. Read:
One of the principal objects of theoretical research in my department of knowledge is to find the point of view from which the subject appears in its greatest simplicity. Josiah Willard Gibbs (1839 – 1903)
Moron.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:10 amNo, actually, I won’t. If you’re right, we all end up the same. If I’m right, you’re up a creek. You’re the one who will need the luck. ;)
Comment by upright left
I’m comfortable with my choices.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:11 amTurtle – God granted US the one thing that separates humans from animals…Free Will. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
BAHAHA, you don’t think *animals* have free will? Tell that to a Chimp that does logic tests, and knows the consequences of *socializing* errors.
Actually, poor st*pid c*nt. The only thing that separates us from the *animals* is our truly abstract mind combined with our ability to rationalize and conceptualize. We don’t have a monopoly on any other trait, although we are *better* at it. Animals can reason through simple problems, many are even better at it than you – st*pid c*nt!
Unfortunately, that same free will may be the eternal undoing of many. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
Yeah, including those like you that believe it justifies *genocide* and *bigotry*. Poor st*pid little c*nt, you wouldn’t know what to do with your *free-will*, you’re too whiny and cowardly.
You seem to be trying to understand or regard God from the very limited resources of the human brain. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
Oh, poor st*pid girl – that’s what *you* are trying to do…
When I quit trying to ascribe humanity (with it’s strengths and weaknesses) to God I was able to conclude that I did not possess the depth of knowledge to fathom the Plan – no one does. Comment by valiant venus — May 15, 2007 @ 11:25 pm
And yet that little book of mythology does that! It even goes so far as to give god a p*n*s! How weird is that! And tell me st*pid c*nt – how do you know there is a *plan*? Where’s your *proof*, other than a book that says the earth is *flat* and 8000 years old? Poor st*pid c*nt.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:13 amI have no idea whether or not you are a failure as a human being, but I’m almost certain you haven’t received the acknowledgement of 5.5 billion people and I know they don’t all share your view of Falwell. Why do you want to go and lie to a dead man? Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:07 am
Based on your posts, you can be assured that you *are* a failure as a human being, as was Falwell. Lots of people shared Hitler’s view – people sharing the view of madmen that preach hate isn’t exactly a *compliment*. You’re a fool, as was Falwell. He lived a fool, he died a fool, as surely you will.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:15 amSo you posted something that disproves your own negative response? You’re an idiot.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 16, 2007 @ 1:06 am
You see, anus, this little habit of yours of leaving out important parts of text and deliberately misinterpreting what is written really detracts from your arguments. Try it again and this time read ALL the words, not just the ones that you like:
May 16th, 2007 at 1:15 amArno Penzias, …does not look for direct evidence of God’s existence in the world. To the contrary: “If God created the universe,” says Penzias, who is Jewish, “he would have done it elegantly. The absence of any imprint of intervention upon creation is what we would expect from a truly all-powerful Creator.”
What he is saying, my simple minded friend, is God WOULD NOT have to leave evidence of His having created the world.
I’m comfortable with my choices.
Comment by Zooey — May 16, 2007 @ 1:11 am
The wingnuts don’t choose religion because they’re *comfortable*, they do it because they’re scared – like the post earlier of the “if I’m right I win the afterlife”. It’s because they’re taught to fear the wrath of the big “sky-god” – poor little lunatics.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:16 amYou see, anus, this little habit of yours of leaving out important parts of text and deliberately misinterpreting what is written really detracts from your arguments.Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:15 am
Oh, dear st*pid child – that’s what *you* do, not me…
Try it again and this time read ALL the words, not just the ones that you like:
Arno Penzias, …does not look for direct evidence of God’s existence in the world. To the contrary: “If God created the universe,†says Penzias, who is Jewish, “he would have done it elegantly. The absence of any imprint of intervention upon creation is what we would expect from a truly all-powerful Creator.â€
What he is saying, my simple minded friend, is God WOULD NOT have to leave evidence of His having created the world.
Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:15 am
Yet the bible says the opposite – that God left his hand on the earth so we would KNOW he did it… So much for your *selective* reading accusation – more projection. Poor st*pid little idiot, you have my pity!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:18 amYou’ve failed to conceive a 3rd possibility. That there’s an afterlife, and that you’re wrong, and that because you’re such a bigoted hateful piece of shit – you’ll be the one that never experiences it, or that’s in *hell*….
Good luck with – loser!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 16, 2007 @ 1:03 am
Man, it really pisses you off that you have to accept God’s way or go to hell doesn’t it? Must really suck to be you. ;)
May 16th, 2007 at 1:18 amI’m out of here. Some idiot calls me an amateur physicist while quoting Gibbs for no apparent reason meanwhile some monkey-brained idiot carries on about the Buybull. My grade school daughter knows more physics and science in general than the Christian wannabe intelligencia here.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:20 amMan, it really pisses you off that you have to accept God’s way or go to hell doesn’t it? Must really suck to be you. ;) Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:18 am
Pure projection. You’re the one who’s all *afraid* of what will happen to you when you die. I guess it never dawned on you that there might be an afterlife, but you could be punished for being such a pedantic immoral *ssh*le. Must really suck to be you. ;)
May 16th, 2007 at 1:23 amYeah upright, that’s a pretty scary bible! Where it says *stars* have souls, and are punished!
You’re a sad, st*pid little fool – poor little loser…
May 16th, 2007 at 1:25 am
My grade school daughter knows more physics and science in general than the Christian wannabe intelligencia here.
Comment by ted
Christian??? Heh. Thats a new one for me.
If you are going to insult first, dont whine later. I quoted Gibbs in order to show that your wonderful and crafted mathematical description of quantum mechanics is good for nothing if nobody can understand it; if it, at the end, turns out to be too complex. Come back down with the vulgar, common folks and you will find that we are not that stupid after all.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:28 amPure projection. You’re the one who’s all *afraid* of what will happen to you when you die. I guess it never dawned on you that there might be an afterlife, but you could be punished for being such a pedantic immoral *ssh*le. Must really suck to be you. ;)
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 16, 2007 @ 1:23 am
LOL. I’m not afraid of anything, anus. I know there is an afterlife and that I will be enjoying it. You shouldn’t get so worked up if you aren’t worried.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:30 amWhen you’re current gig is up you would do well as head nit-picker or chief tick hunter……. Adios!!! Comment by valiant venus — May 16, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Coming from the head *sspicker – very funny Valiant Ben Laden. Pull your head out of your *ss – st*pid c*nt, you’re beginning to sound like Osama’s *sscr*ck dingles…
May 16th, 2007 at 1:30 amLOL. I’m not afraid of anything, anus. I know there is an afterlife and that I will be enjoying it. You shouldn’t get so worked up if you aren’t worried. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:30 am
Sure you are, you already explained that with your little afterlife speech – child. You say you *know* you’ll be enjoying it, but you know no such thing – you *believe* it. People know *facts*, they don’t know *beliefs* and *predictions*…
As for getting worked up, BAHAHAAHA, sorry wingnut – but that’s more your *delusional* beliefs. I think you little lunatics are just *precious*. You’re deranged, st*pid, genocidal and hateful – but your naivety to believe a fairy tale is *real* is totally precious!
Most people grow out of the *tooth-fairy* sort of delusional childhood beliefs – but not you wingnuts! It’s really amusing to those of us who don’t share your fantasies. Imagine how you would feel if an adult came up and told you that he was going to spend Christmas with “santa” – then you’ll have an idea of exactly how you *affect* me ;)
May 16th, 2007 at 1:33 amLOL. I’m not afraid of anything, anus. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:30 am
Just to be clear – your *deathly* afraid of going to *hell* – I’m not. You poor little deranged fool…
May 16th, 2007 at 1:34 amI know there is an afterlife and that I will be enjoying it.
Comment by upright left
This is a message to all american infidels… hehehehe.
Wow, the level of indoctrination of this guy.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:34 amYet the bible says the opposite – that God left his hand on the earth so we would KNOW he did it… So much for your *selective* reading accusation – more projection. Poor st*pid little idiot, you have my pity!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 16, 2007 @ 1:18 am
Dang, anus, now you’re not only reading selectively reading, you’re trying to combine the Bible with the words of a scientitst. Well, I’ve had just about all the fun here I can stand. Been enjoying the nonstop tv coverage of Falwell? You better try to avoid tv and newspapers for a day or so since you get so riled up when things remind you of your fate. But, hey, look on the bright side. Chances are you will have an opportunity immediately before death to get right with God. And fortunately for you and the rest of us sinners, God is merciful and He forgives.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:36 amJust to be clear – your *deathly* afraid of going to *hell* – I’m not. You poor little deranged fool…
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 16, 2007 @ 1:34 am
I’m not afraid of it becasue I’m not going there. Why be afraid of something that you are safe from? As I said, I’m afraid of nothing. Well, except maybe spiders. But that’s it. ;)
May 16th, 2007 at 1:40 amThis is a message to all american infidels… hehehehe.
Wow, the level of indoctrination of this guy.
Comment by Juan C — May 16, 2007 @ 1:34 am
No different than the Osama wingnuts. All wingnuts are the same. The all hate liberals, women and gay folks, they all love authoritarianism, they’re all anti-science, crazy religious fascist hatemongers. It doesn’t matter if they’re Osama, or Mitt, or Valiant *Ben* Laden.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:40 amDang, anus, now you’re not only reading selectively reading, you’re trying to combine the Bible with the words of a scientitst. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:36 am
Well, we all know how *unscientific* the bible is. Too bad it *tried* to be scientific before everyone realize that it was written by a bunch of st*pid goat herders. Well some people realized it – other *children* like you still believe it…
Well, I’ve had just about all the fun here I can stand. Been enjoying the nonstop tv coverage of Falwell? Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:36 am
Oh, the MSM is a wingnut propaganda tool. Why do you think your ratings all suck anymore? America is sick of your st*pid religious propaganda.
You better try to avoid tv and newspapers for a day or so since you get so riled up when things remind you of your fate. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:36 am
Oh, dear child, just because you have no command of your own emotions – you really should learn to stop *projecting* your own *sins* on others. It’s why you’re such a little *tool* of wingnuttery.
But, hey, look on the bright side. Chances are you will have an opportunity immediately before death to get right with God. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:36 am
By *chances*, you mean you don’t *know*? Poor little hypocrite fear child – your own words betray you.
And fortunately for you and the rest of us sinners, God is merciful and He forgives. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:36 am
You better hope so, because it’s the only *hope* that a wingnut like you would have, if your little *fairy-tale* were true…
May 16th, 2007 at 1:43 amI’m not afraid of it becasue I’m not going there. Why be afraid of something that you are safe from? As I said, I’m afraid of nothing. Well, except maybe spiders. But that’s it. ;) Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:40 am
BAHAHA, sure you aren’t… Well you’re probably right, since the whole construct of *hell* derives from a Hebrew word that means “dump”. As in the *unrighteous* had to leave the city and live in the dump.
But then again, what does a *wingnut* know about his own little fairy tales? Poor little st*pid child…
May 16th, 2007 at 1:44 am> And fortunately for you and the rest
> of us sinners, God is merciful
> and He forgives.
Why is it always a “he” with you people when describing your divine being? Does “god” have a wee wee? Exactly what is it about the nature of this divine being that makes it a he and not a she?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:45 amSo tell me wingnut. If there’s only one *god*, why does christianity have the “devil”, a *son* of the god (who’s also a god), saints, angels and demons? I hate to inform you of the dichotomy of this – child – but that is a “pantheon”, otherwise known as a “pagan” multi-theist religion…
You poor st*pid little child…
Then we have the fact that Yahweh was the Son of Asherah – the Goddess of creation. That is before Abraham declared Yahweh as the *true* god worthy of worship.
How much do you *know* about that Godly religion of yours *child*?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:48 amAs for getting worked up, BAHAHAAHA, sorry wingnut – but that’s more your *delusional* beliefs.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 16, 2007 @ 1:33 am
If you aren’t worked up and this is your natural state, maybe you had better not count on having that time to get right with God before you die after all. Sounds like you are a good candidate for sudden death from a heart attack.
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The all hate liberals, women and gay folks, they all love authoritarianism, they’re all anti-science, crazy religious fascist hatemongers.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 16, 2007 @ 1:40 am
Got a little perseucution complex going on there, as well?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:49 amGod Bless you anus and I’LL PRAY FOR YOU! (Sorry, sorry, sorry, I couldn’t resist)
If you aren’t worked up and this is your natural state, maybe you had better not count on having that time to get right with God before you die after all. Sounds like you are a good candidate for sudden death from a heart attack. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:49 am
Oh, poor child. All of that *anger* you hear, is from your own head. I just use the *language* you’re familiar with… And you *assume* much, as all wingnuts do…
Taking advice about *getting-right* from a pro-torture, genocidal wingnut maniac – hilarious!!!
Got a little perseucution complex going on there, as well?
God Bless you anus and I’LL PRAY FOR YOU! (Sorry, sorry, sorry, I couldn’t resist)Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:49 am
Oh dear little *lunatic*, haven’t you heard? The *persecution* complex is also called the “Christian-complex”. As usual *pure* projection!!!!
You poor little wingnuts always cry *persecution*, as you attempt to oppress others. Poor little hatemongers… Don’t worry child, all of that fear, hatred and anger you hear – is just your own echoes…
May 16th, 2007 at 1:55 amA religious wingnut thinking others have a “persecution” complex!!! BAHAHAHAA, now that’s funny!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:58 amBy *chances*, you mean you don’t *know*? Poor little hypocrite fear child – your own words betray you.
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 16, 2007 @ 1:43 am
Ok, anus, now you’re just being down right difficult. Of course I don’t know if you’ll die a sudden death or not. Only God knows. ;)
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If there’s only one *god*, why does christianity have the “devilâ€, a *son* of the god (who’s also a god), saints, angels and demons? I hate to inform you of the dichotomy of this – child – but that is a “pantheonâ€, otherwise known as a “pagan†multi-theist religion…
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 16, 2007 @ 1:48 am
No problem there, anus. God is God, Satan is a fallen angel, angels are angels, non-human beings created by God, demons are angels who followed Satan. Only God is God: monotheism. I don’t think even your fellow libbie loons fell for that one. You’re really grasping now. You have agood night, now ya hear?
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Why is it always a “he†with you people when describing your divine being? Does “god†have a wee wee? Exactly what is it about the nature of this divine being that makes it a he and not a she?
Comment by Choclate Jesus loves anulingus — May 16, 2007 @ 1:45 am
God is the FATHER not the mother. In most families the father is male and the mother is female. See what all this “My Two Dads” foolishness has done to ya? Ya caint even tell the difference anymore. And by the way, one anus at a time please.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:01 amGod Bless you anus and I’LL PRAY FOR YOU! (Sorry, sorry, sorry, I couldn’t resist) Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:49 am
Why don’t you do something more useful, and explain why the earth is flat and 8000 years old in the bible – yet you still believe it? Poor little delusional child – you’re the one in need of *help* – and *real* help, not wasted *prayers*… You’re crazy.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:01 amA religious wingnut thinking others have a “persecution†complex!!! BAHAHAHAA, now that’s funny!
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 16, 2007 @ 1:58 am
You’ve said that twice now. Who are you trying to convince, anus? Hmmm just heard Al Sharpton talking about what a good man Falwell was. Gotta hear that.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:05 amOk, anus, now you’re just being down right difficult. Of course I don’t know if you’ll die a sudden death or not. Only God knows. ;) Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 2:01 am
It’s actually “uranus” as in the *god* uranus, poor little child… As for what *god* knows, how do you know that? And if we have free will, as in no pre-determination as you wingnuts claim, then God doesn’t know – that’s an *oxy-moron*. Otherwise if he does know, then you really have no choices – as you are predetermined to make the choice, and therefore freewill doesn’t exist.
No problem there, anus. God is God, Satan is a fallen angel, angels are angels, non-human beings created by God, demons are angels who followed Satan. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 2:01 am
BAHAHA, but *all* of those are *gods*, as they have supernatural powers – the definition of a *god*… Just because
Actually there is a problem, but as always, you’re too st*pid to acknowledge it.
Only God is God: monotheism. Actually there is a problem, but as always, you’re too st*pid to acknowledge it.
Actually monotheism says there’s only one *god*, not a top god, his son, and minor deities…. That’s a form of weighted polytheism.
I don’t think even your fellow libbie loons fell for that one. You’re really grasping now. You have agood night, now ya hear? Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 2:01 am
Fell for *what*, that you’re so st*pid you don’t know what the definition of a *god* is? You know some of the greek *gods* only had powers like fast speed. Yet they were gods. Angels have more *powers* than that. And as Satan shows, they are gods with free wills, just like the greek gods.
You really are a r*t*rded little child, aren’t you?
God is the FATHER not the mother. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 2:01 am
I hate to inform you this, but the *female* characteristic is to generate life – so by biological definition that would make god *female*. Besides, why would god be male, if there are no other gods to procreate with? That’s a dum statement – child.
In most families the father is male and the mother is female. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 2:01 am
Yes, but only Schwartzy is a male that gives birth to life.
See what all this “My Two Dads†foolishness has done to ya? Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 2:01 am
So your claim is that God is transgendered?
Ya caint even tell the difference anymore. And by the way, one anus at a time please. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 2:01 am
Says the r*t*rded wingnut that thinks male gods give birth to life!!! BAHAHA, st*pid child!!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 2:12 amYou’ve said that twice now. Who are you trying to convince, anus? Hmmm just heard Al Sharpton talking about what a good man Falwell was. Gotta hear that. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 2:05 am
Oh, it’s just sooooo gosh darned funny!!!!! bahahahahaha such a funny projection – you really crack me up, you poor lost little wingnut!
May 16th, 2007 at 2:13 amYou’ve said that twice now. Who are you trying to convince, anus? Hmmm just heard Al Sharpton talking about what a good man Falwell was. Gotta hear that. Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 2:05 am
BAHAHA yeah, like I care what another *preacher* thinks? BAHAHAA, you really are r*t*rded child…
Tell me, do you know why Yahweh (that’s your God’s *name* by the way) is male? Because he’s the son of Asherah. Go look it up, child… Careful though. You might learn something!!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 2:14 amWOW!
788 comments.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:51 amWay too much for even troll alert to process.
> God is the FATHER not the mother.
Uhm gee thanks for the circular argument there…. families also imply sex…are you saying your male god put his wee wee in someone to make a family? Who is the mother? Do divine beings have DNA? If not, how does something with DNA breed with something with no DNA?
> In most families the father is male and the mother is female.
Don’t families also imply marriage? Is god an unmarried father? If he isnt an unmarried father, who is he married to?
Is jesus’s mom the mother? If so, then god didnt have a family before mary right? Because according to your logic, a family has to have a mother… So if being the head of a family is what makes god a “he”, why was god a “he” before there was a mother to create a family?
Please explain your logic to my simple secular mind.
Let me rephrase the question for your simple mind… its not “why isnt god female”… its… why does the concept of gender, which implies genitals, sex, and reproduction apply to your divine being?
There are plenty of things we call “he” that isnt a parent. I’m defined as a “he” but I have no children. So something need not be a parent to be called a “he”….so simply saying “god is a parent, therefore god is a “he”" doesnt get to what defines “he” at all.
What is it about your divine being that makes you think he posseses the attributes of a “he”?
May 16th, 2007 at 2:58 am>I was merely shocked to see the
> a supposed “Professor†did not
>know the difference between the
> two [latin phrases].
Unless the guy is a latin professor, or perphaps a philosophy professor, theres no reason why he should neccesarily know what these latin phrases mean just because hes a professor.
This thread must, by far, be the most assasine thread I’ve ever read.
One of my undergrad majors was philosophy. While it can serve as a solid base for a career in law or other profession that requires analytical through, in and of itself it serves as little more than mental masterbation.
So ANYONE…ANYONE proudly brandishing thier scholarly knowledge of philosophy and philosophical terms is the intellectual equivalent of a monkey proudly holding aloft the poo he just made from his behind.
So Mr. President/exlaxley/whoever you are, instead of strutting around like a peacock trying to dazzle us with your vastly superior undergrad philosophy degree knowledge, I suggest you begin to look elsewhere (perphaps grad school in a REAL field of study) to prove your intellectual merit. Frankly, the number 1 destination of people who think their philosophy degree makes them superior to others is either a) the manager at mcdonalds or b) on the street corner asking for change..
And mighty venus, I love how you continue with this “I’m a lawyer I have to go see a client now” lie when you can’t even demonstrate rudimentary knowledge of the exam you supposedly took to become one. Your a fraud and a fake just like everyone and everything you support. Go make more jokes about more of your imaginary dead children like you did before…
May 16th, 2007 at 3:03 amUnbelovable – You’re one of the few “intellectuals†around here who calls someone a prostitute and thinks that’s an argument……poor thing!
Comment by vile venus —
As if you don’t resort to calling people names when you can’t keep up with an argument–which is most of the time. You love to dish it out it against progs/liberals but can’t take any criticism yourself about your very provable and not very educated errors in grammar, punctuation, and spelling–particularly your inability to spell common legal terms while claiming to be an attorney, Mighty Hypocrite! And when presented with irrefutable facts, such as most recently the 10-year discrepancy between the publication of Bill Bennett’s “Book of Virtues” and his outing as a gambler, you just run away. You may be here, as you claim, mostly to play; however if you can’t take the fact that you are not the brightest nor best educated kid in the sandbox, then move on, instead of throwing your verbal spitballs all over the place.
May 16th, 2007 at 5:14 amOodles of toodles, Bush noodle
have no idea whether or not you are a failure as a human being, but I’m almost certain you haven’t received the acknowledgement of 5.5 billion people and I know they don’t all share your view of Falwell. Why do you want to go and lie to a dead man?
Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:07 am
Falwell called everyone who is not born again ‘a failure as a human being’ – that would make about 5.5 billion at least who would object to such a biggoted statement. Right up yours.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:19 amLOL And you take your view from Dan Brown? I’ll stick with the Bible, thanks.
Comment by upright left — May 16, 2007 @ 1:02 am
You brought up Dan Brown, not me, I correctly described the Council of Nicea’s creation of your precious New Testament. You stick with the Bible instead of looking for evidence based in historical facts. You kind of intellect is positively medieval – when the Church controlled thought and grannies were firewood.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:23 amJust couldn’t quite get this one up to 800, huh?
So disappointing!!
May 16th, 2007 at 11:02 amZooey,
May 16th, 2007 at 11:06 amI had a comment that appeared at around #789 or 790, then disappeared, then appeared again, but is now gone again despite the lack of abusive language–which, I’m sure, you know I normally don’t indulge in. So maybe if some missing posts are restored, this could get to #800.
Since writing to Zooey at 11:06, my aforementioned post appeared once more but is gone again. Anyway, I will be out of here for a while. I wonder what the state of the aforementioned post will be when I return.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:35 amBut the thing is when Einstein said “God don’t play diceâ€, he wasn’t talking about a personal god. He was using a metaphor to express his belief that there was an underlying order in the universe which man could discover through science, which is basically a statement of faith.
Comment by Mr. President
It was nothing of the sort. He was discribing exactly what science has observed. EVERY time that you look closely into something in a scientific way we find mathmatical and physical order. Even when it seems completely random you look closer and examine and you find order. If it wasnt for this there would be no science… no faith needed.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:37 amThis thread provoked some interesting discussion. An observation regarding our resident atheists – I don’t doubt many are ethical people. What I find strangely fascinating is the thought that due to their high level of intelligence (which many atheists rightly claim) they are uber-intelligent enough to dissect and understand the intricacies of cosmic creation.
The strict scientist atheist allow no room for Intelligence greater than his/her own. (This in itself could be a definition of “arrogance”.) Demanding visible, tangible evidence is perhaps natural for such “logical” minds. But in fact, I have never SEEN gravity. I see the power of gravity , which is quite different than seeing a hand place an object on the ground. In this way, I have never SEEN God, but I think His Power & Majesty is evident to those who accept the Gift of faith.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:51 amThe strict scientist atheist allow no room for Intelligence greater than his/her own. (This in itself could be a definition of “arroganceâ€.) Demanding visible, tangible evidence is perhaps natural for such “logical†minds. But in fact, I have never SEEN gravity. I see the power of gravity , which is quite different than seeing a hand place an object on the ground. In this way, I have never SEEN God, but I think His Power & Majesty is evident to those who accept the Gift of faith.
Comment by valiant venus
False.
There very well could be alien life far more intelligent than we are. Arrogance has nothing to do with it. It is pure observation. And there are more ways to “see” besides with your eyes… xray detectors for example… or radio waves… or experimentation (drop an apple). You dont have any “apples” to drop that shows any kind of effect that would point to a “god” that is why you require “faith” … no observable evidence what so ever.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:03 pm#797 – - Dear GEE…..”False.” (I admire your certainty and bravado!)
Then you backpedal intellectually…”There very well could be….”??? Hmmm….”I guess there very well could be God”….Similar observations apply for these similar arguments.
“Arrogance has nothing to do with it. It is pure observation.” Whatever device you use to observe, (eye, microscope, Hubble telescope, x-rays) you conclude that you do not believe what does not fit the scientific model of “gathering observable, empirical, measurable evidence, subject to specific principles of reasoning.”
Take the wind – You do not SEE wind. You see the EFFECT wind has from blowing trees to whipping up dust.
My point (with which you apparently disagree) is that God designed and implemented these forces we both agree exist. I have faith there is a Creator – you require empirical evidence. Ask yourself how the whole of the cosmos started.….. Hint: a ball, placed on a perfectly flat surface, and undistubed by any phenomena will not roll. Maybe this where the term “get the ball rolling” came from….
May 16th, 2007 at 12:25 pmHint: a ball, placed on a perfectly flat surface, and undistubed by any phenomena will not roll.
Comment by valves — May 16, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
While it is not evident “that” the cosmos started, it is premature to attempt to explain “how” it started.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:05 pmNice try, Pete. However, you have no further refutation?
May 16th, 2007 at 2:31 pmRefute what?
You assert god exists. I see nothing. The burden is yours.
May 16th, 2007 at 3:02 pmAs a Chinese woman and born-again Christian, here, I am greeting to all brothers/sisters in the Christ !
Let’s say good bye to our very dear brother- Jerry Falwell. he is a very diligent good servant of the Lord-, a brave Christian soldier
To stand steadfast and fight back those anti-christ fake Gods but demons behind
To sow Gospel seeds in the lost souls, let them get saved by the Lord’s Salvation on the Cross 2000 ago and gain Eternal Live instead Eternal destined death as a result of human-being sins
To hold God’s Holy Moral standards to resist this world own decayed, corrupted immoral standards in this world which belongs to Satan – gays, abortions, adultery, fornication etc.
Now, our dearest brother Jerry Falwell is rest in the Lord’s Arm and living in the Eternal Kingdom forever. let’s put on full Armor of God and stand firmly to follow our dear brother/pastor -Jerry Falwell’s steps on our Cross road until we reunite with him someday, until our Lord coming back second time soon, Amen !
May 16th, 2007 at 3:27 pmggibson asserts science has the ability to be “viewed” through a variety of lenses and technology. I contend that forces such as gravity and wind cannot be seen, but the effects can be felt and seen. I’ve not seen God, but I have faith He exists…..
May 16th, 2007 at 3:31 pmThat’s your case? God exists because you think he does? Pretty lame.
May 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pmGOOD RIDDANCE!
May 16th, 2007 at 3:50 pmYes, finally. They found him unconscious in his office with a bottle of poppers, wearing a bra and panties with a fisting dildo up his ass.
May 16th, 2007 at 5:16 pmBut the thing is when Einstein said “God don’t play diceâ€, he wasn’t talking about a personal god. He was using a metaphor to express his belief that there was an underlying order in the universe which man could discover through science, which is basically a statement of faith.
Comment by Mr. President
It was nothing of the sort. He was discribing exactly what science has observed. EVERY time that you look closely into something in a scientific way we find mathmatical and physical order. Even when it seems completely random you look closer and examine and you find order. If it wasnt for this there would be no science… no faith needed.
Comment by ggibson — May 16, 2007 @ 11:37 am
You don’t shit about science do you f*ckhead. If you think we can understand macro- or microscopic phenomena with math or science alone, then your just as dogmatic as bible thumper. Read your Hume, Popper and Quine before you lose control of your bowels and diarrhea your pathetic faith in modern science all over yourself.
May 16th, 2007 at 5:52 pmATTENTION EVERYONE! There will be a celebration in front of Thomas Road Baptist Church on May 19, 2007 at 1:00PM. The public is cordially invited to attend. Please bring posters and plycards depicting Jerry Falwell in hell (preferably with Jerry being sodomized by Satan or fornicating with his mother). Representatives from the media are especially encouraged to attend. Please help us send Jerry to hell in style! Never forget the hate and venom that spewed from this scumbag’s mouth.
May 16th, 2007 at 6:02 pm“That’s your case? God exists because you think he does? Pretty lame.”
Comment by pete
That’s your case? God doesn’t exist because you don’t think He does. I demonstrated forces you cannot see but are nonetheless here….naturally, you didn’t refute that.
Leftbehind and Rodney – You two vulgarians have a ways to go before you rival the Queen Vulgarian here at TP. Rodney, only a promiscuous gay man or a convicted felon would know about the disgusting practice of “fisting” – what a shame! Good thing your posts aren’t “hate filled or venomous” – whew!!
May 16th, 2007 at 6:49 pmVileVenus,
May 16th, 2007 at 7:19 pmSince you denied a few days ago defending the killing of a three-year old in Haditha and called me LIAR (in capital letters no less), I went back and looked at one of the Haditha threads. There were several people aside from myself interpreting your remarks like the one below (under the name “Mighty Aphrodite”) as defense of murdering a small child:
“YOU are assuming the innocents who were killed were NOT in the “wrong place at the wrong timeâ€. Perhaps they were marked for death by THEIR friends or reatives who stopped in for a chat and a falafel. ”
You wrote those words with the knowledge that the massacre took place in a civilian house. So look who’s been lying. Sorry but my memory isn’t as bad as yours (ie. your returning to using the non-existent word “fulment” after being corrected and told that the English word is “foment” several times.)
Oh and please call me “dour” again, poor little baby who isn’t mature enough to take criticism. Anyone who actually knows me would say that I don’t present a dour image; and especially when I’m correcting your revealingly stupid errors in basic English, I’m practically laughing. To be quite frank, I know non-native speakers who make fewer errors in English than you–the phony lawyerette who boasts about his/her “superior” private school education.
I’ve not seen God, but I have faith He exists…..
Comment by valiant venus — May 16, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
You really think you’re fooling your god, but if he/she/it exists, you are sooooo screwed.
Tooooooodles!!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 7:45 pm“There is a god…”
Then what took him so long?
May 16th, 2007 at 8:03 pmComment by valiant venus — May 16, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
Leftbehind and Rodney – You two vulgarians have a ways to go before you rival the Queen Vulgarian here at TP. Rodney, only a promiscuous gay man or a convicted felon would know about the disgusting practice of “fisting†– what a shame! Good thing your posts aren’t “hate filled or venomous†– whew!!
SO VENIE …. WHICH ONE ARE YOU? A promiscuous gay man or a convicted felon?
May 16th, 2007 at 8:04 pmWhat I want to know is where in God’s name did they find a piano case big enough to hold that obese pig? Talk about a deadly sin OMG that man looked like Jabba The Hut only more grotesque. Move over Saddam and Hitler, Jerry’s headed for the buffet!
May 16th, 2007 at 10:37 pmJerry Falwell. May You NEVER rest in peace.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:26 pm…comparing Jerry Falwell to Jabba the Hut is an insult to Jabba the Hut! More like the Good Year blimp with a southern accent! I’m sure there will be a bit of a quandry on how to dispose of his bloated carcass. First, their going to have to hire a construction crew to chop away half of his mansion just to get the body out! Then there’s the matter of hiring a sturdy flat bed truck to drive his remains to a funeral home. The only funeral home that would take him would be the one administered by Angus Scrimm! If they bury him, nothing will ever grow in that cemetery ever again and dogs will refuse to walk past. If they cremate him he’ll burn for days. Not to mention the monumental stench his burning fat would cause!! Then there’s the years of therapy for the construction crew and everybody else who came into contact with his remains!
May 16th, 2007 at 11:39 pmOh, and don’t forget to send flowers!
Comment by valiant venus — May 16, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
I don’t assert that god doesn’t exist. I see nothing. From that nothing, others have conjured something. They call that something god. I call it nothing. Do you call it god?
May 17th, 2007 at 9:40 amI used to watch “The Old Time Gospel Hour” and it was great. Jerry Falwell spoke the truth.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:20 pmDing dong the witch is dead. Which old witch. The wicked witch. Ding dong the wicked witch is dead. He’s gone where the Goblins go below below below. Hi ho hi ho hi ho. I’m 48 years of age and I been with my partner for 26 years and we remember when Rev. Falwell wanted to put gay people in containment camps to stop the sread of AIDS. Well tonight I’m proud to say that we have survived both Ronald Reagan and now Jerry Fawell and one hell of a nasty virus. Still I hope that God will show more compassion to him than he gave us. Time to forgive and forget.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:33 amWell said.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:35 amFalwell has caused lasting damage by teaching fairy-tale science at his ‘University’, poisoning young, eager minds with ‘new earth creationism’ nonsense. His Hate speech about gay people shows what a vile man he really was. And for what? To make money by claiming that gay people were an imminent “threatâ€. He had the chance to use the bible for peace and instead used it as a weapon against sections of the community. What an utterly repugnant and shameful thing to do! America has become demented by christianity which has become accustomed to preaching the preposterous at the expense of science. He has done more for society by dying than he ever did in life! As a European, I am mystified at the level of religious hogwash preached in America – I even hear that they (the christians) don’t even believe in evolution in the US. Evolution, unlike the bible, is supported by overwhelming “mutually buttressed†evidence from biology, biochemistry, geology, sedimentology and genetics, palaeontology. Perhaps these creepy christian nutters in the US should read Sam Harris’s book ‘The End of Faith†and Richard Dawkins’s book “The God Delusionâ€. Then, perhaps, they just might grow up!
May 19th, 2007 at 7:51 amJerry Falwell was indeed a man of GOD who tried to make this world a better place for all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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