Giuliani Confused About Terrorism, Cites Ft. Dix Plot As Reason For Staying In Iraq
Giuliani Confused About Terrorism, Cites Ft. Dix Plot As Reason For Staying In Iraq
Last night in the Republican presidential debate, Rudy Giuliani was asked if he had an “open-ended” commitment to Iraq. He failed to directly answer the question, and instead advocated staying in Iraq in order to fight terrorists there so we don’t have to fight them here. He referenced the foiled Fort Dix terrorist plot as an example. Giuliani said, “These people do want to follow us here and they have followed us here. Fort Dix happened a week ago.”
Giuliani’s claim that the Fort Dix terrorists are an example of why we need to stay in Iraq is extremely flawed. As TalkLeft noted, the individuals arrested at Fort Dix had been in the United States well before the Iraq war, some of them for more than 23 years.
After the debate, Giuliani went on Fox, where Alan Colmes pressed him on this point. “Three of the brothers came when they were one and six and in single digits chronologically. They didn’t come here to commit jihad. They came here when they were kids. They grew up in the United States,” Colmes said. Flummoxed by the question, Giuliani visibly stuttered and could only offer, “This whole thing is a tremendous danger for us, abroad and here.” Watch a video compilation:
Giuliani also said last night, “These people [al Qaeda terrorists] came here and killed us because of our freedom of religion, because of our freedom for women, because they hate us. … The reality is, if you are confused about this, I think you put our country in much greater jeopardy.” Sadly, it is Giuliani who is confused in his diagnosis about the root cause of terrorism.
Counterrorism expert Michael Scheuer has correctly noted:
Osama doesn’t hate our freedom: The fundamental flaw in our thinking about Bin Laden is that ‘Muslims hate and attack us for what we are and think, rather than what we do.’ Muslims are bothered by our modernity, democracy, and sexuality, but they are rarely spurred to action unless American forces encroach on their lands. It’s American foreign policy that enrages Osama and al-Qaida, not American culture and society.
UPDATE: SJBrian at Blue Jersey has more.
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Even if there was the tiniest bit of logic in Rudy’s reference to the Ft Dix losers, all it would do would be to disprove the whole “over there” argument. Because, well, the occupation is still going on and yet . . . they’re over here, anyway. I never thought of Rudy as stupid (egotistical, authoritarian, and tacky, yes) but I’m going to rethink that assessment. His lust for power has rendered him incapable of thinking.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:14 pmSheuer is aying EXACTLY what Ron Paul said last night…
…and the ffp is skewing HIM…
…and making Guiliana look like a hero…
…there’s some FOUL sh*t happening in this country…
…and we the people…
…if we want to maintain our way of life…
had better hurry up and RECOGNIZE our TRUE ENEMIES…
May 16th, 2007 at 8:14 pmOh god, he’s such a stupid whore.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:15 pmGuiliani has no clue or deliberately perpetuating this desperate desire of the American right to completely avoid the subject of the blowback of American foreign policy…. he must be getting his money from AIPAC this week.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:16 pmOur government needs to change, not continue on with the same ideological mistake. According to the Borgen Project, we have already spent $340 billion on the Iraq war; endorsing other campaigns as fruitless as the war is a mistake.
To really get at the root of national security, global poverty needs to be addressed. The problem isn’t terrorism, it’s the extreme poverty that people live in that fosters the ideology. If our government really wanted to halt terror, war and genocide, it would spend money on helping lesser-developed nations grow economically. Supporting the Millennium Development Goals to end global poverty would be more beneficial than starting wars all over the Middle East and creating more anti-Western sentiment.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:19 pmAnd if Guiliani etc right: “They hate us for our freedom”, then doesn’t the suspension of habeas corpus, warrantless wiretaps, unitary executive, etc etc mean that Bin Laden is winning?
May 16th, 2007 at 8:19 pmGiuliani must be required to dress up in drag for every GOP debate. Everyone who intends to vote for him must see him as the freak he actually is in reality. He likes to wear big bras and red panties, so if you think that is OK then vote for Rudy as president > LOL.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:20 pmGhouliani stuttered and listhped.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:23 pmHe also got into a dispute with Ron Paul over “blowback.” The 9/11 commission report pretty much lays out the case for “blowback” as a significant contributor to 9/11. Has Guiliani not read it?
May 16th, 2007 at 8:25 pmGuiliani wants to ride the Bush “War on Terrist” coat-tail, but doesn’t realize that Bush has already burned that coat.
We do not need another room temperature IQ, warmonger president in office, ever again.
I would tell Rudy toget a clue, but since Rudy turned down a rally with an Iowa family that was supporting him, because they are not millionaires, I don’t think that is possible. Click on the link to read about it.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:25 pmGuiliani knows that politicians who ask Americans to look in the mirror don’t last long. The ignoramuses who clapped and applauded him are enablers to these malefactors.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:30 pmThis is why the republics will never ‘win’ the ‘war on terror’ – they haven’t a clue what it’s about.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:31 pmPlease, I don’t speak Logic-Impaired. Can Mr. President, or Patrick, or Jake tell me how Fort Dix backs up the statement that we have to stay in Iraq?
May 16th, 2007 at 8:32 pmAll I can do is smile from ear to ear! This is the best they have to offer folks! The cream of the rethugs. Can you picture any of these people doing well in the general election? Their hypocracy and radical positions will be there with them.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:33 pmKeep showing us your strength and wisdom Giuliani!
Don’t confuse me with the fax.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:35 pmI know they’ve followed us home, cause we’re not soft on terrer.
What a jackass.
I thought the Fort Dix crowd turned out to be RPG dorks.
Is there really anything to that bunch?
May 16th, 2007 at 8:37 pm“He likes to wear big bras and red panties”
Comment by Jay Randal — May 16, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
That’s nothin’, I hear Brownback has a uterus
May 16th, 2007 at 8:37 pmFt Dix!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
WTF?
Are you kidding me?
May 16th, 2007 at 8:38 pm“Il Douche” Giuliani thinks he’s playing a great game of Tough Guy, but the fact is, the Fort Dix incident shows us the way we should have been fighting terrorism from the beginning – through police work, following up leads and connecting dots.
I’m getting damned sick and tired of people trying to prove they are “tough” on terrorism – please show me somebody who’s going to be SMART on terrorism.
Fighting terrorism is a job for cops, spies, and diplomats, NOT soldiers. It takes smarts, subtlety, and patience – the current crop of Repuke candidates don’t have any of these.
As far as I’m concerned, the “worst” Democrat among their candidates is a thousand times better than the best Republican.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:39 pm“He likes to wear big bras and red pantiesâ€
Comment by Jay Randal — May 16, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
That’s nothin’, I hear Brownback has a uterus
Comment by Quadrajet
LMAO
May 16th, 2007 at 8:39 pm“Muslims are bothered by our modernity, democracy, and sexuality, but they are rarely spurred to action unless American forces encroach on their lands.”
Right but we are talking about most Muslims we are talking about Islamic terrorists that in their manafestos speak clearly about fighting the West specifically because of their modernity, democracy, and sexuality.
“It’s American foreign policy that enrages Osama and al-Qaida, not American culture and society.”
That is total BS Faiz!
May 16th, 2007 at 8:41 pmLike I have said before: Rudy has been in more bedrooms than Sealy and Serta combined. This will be just one of the nails that will be driven into his political coffin. With all of the baggage that he carries, Rudy does not have a snowball’s chance in Hell of occupying the White House.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:45 pmThat’s nothin’, I hear Brownback has a uterus
Comment by Quadrajet
But he doesn’t know where it is…. :D
May 16th, 2007 at 8:45 pmComment by Tracy — May 16, 2007 @ 8:41 pm
Uh oh, Tracy’s skeered!!
May 16th, 2007 at 8:46 pmTracy, yeah, that is EXACTLY why terrorists target us!!! It is all about the modernity, democracy and sexuality and not about decades of meddling in the affairs of their governments! People don’t go to war over string bikinis, you a$$.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:48 pmre#14 Merlin
You vastly under estimate the American public’s ability to think logically and vote in their own best interest!
How do you think GW Bush got the votes he did in the 2004 election?
The Republicans will ABSOLUTELY win the 2008 presidental election if the Democratic candidate is not John Edwards who is a white southern male like LJ, JC, and WC were.
Until a majority of states pledge to cast all their electoral votes to the candidate with the most popular votes, like Maryland did, the reality is that you need a white southern male candidate to win.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:49 pm“They hate us for our freedoms” so let’s erode our own freedoms so that they will have no reason to hate us anymore!
May 16th, 2007 at 8:51 pmThat is total BS Faiz!
Comment by Tracy
No, most of the time the drivel you post is BS.
The roots of modern terrorism started with the UN taking Palestinian lands and giving it to the creation of Isreal, the many invasions in the middle east and cia black bag jobs for corporate interests (BigOIL). Facts……
We (Ronnie Raygun rather) also trained the mujadeen in Afganistan,which later became AlQueda.
Our interference in other nations for corporate interests is the root cause.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:52 pmSometimes I wonder if the Muslim leaders manipulate their people by firing them up with talk of western decadence and perceived outside threats just like our leaders try to fire us up with patriotism and perceived outside threats.
In the end perhaps it’s about control. Control of money, resources and ideology.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:54 pmPentagon; ‘They Hate Our Policies, Not Our Freedom’:
May 16th, 2007 at 8:55 pm‘Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies [the report says]. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing, support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states. Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy.’
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1129/dailyUpdate.html
“It’s American foreign policy that enrages Osama and al-Qaida, not American culture and society.”
Maybe Michael Scheuer should read al Qaeda’s charter…for starters before making such statements.
http://www.ctc.usma.edu/aq/AFGP-2002-600175-Trans.pdf
And listen to their own words….
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/09/20060905-7.html
May 16th, 2007 at 8:56 pmI can see T’rashy sitting in front of his televison last night…
…screaming wildly with approval…
…at Guiliana’s torture answer…
…the applause by the inbred audience…
…really made me understand…
…I need MORE weapons…
May 16th, 2007 at 8:57 pm#28
Your really need to read al Qaeda’s and Hamas’s charters.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:58 pm27,28,29 and 30…..agree
May 16th, 2007 at 9:00 pmThose audience members each have twice your IQ….easy.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:00 pmIt’s sad when history has no meaning.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:05 pmWow, a whole audience of mensi. Impressive.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:07 pmOh, wait, you meant combined, didn’t you, Tracy?
May 16th, 2007 at 9:08 pmre: #33 Tracy
Sweden does not have a foreign terrorism problem, and their lifestyle is just like America’s, Britian’s, and Spain’s!
Did it ever occur to you to think about why that is so?
Think hard what is Sweden doing different than those others?
How many Swedish soldiers are stationed outside of Sweden?
How many American soldiers are stationed outside of America?
Could the solution to our foreign terrorist problem be not to have our soldiers stationed in foreign countries?
Does you IQ allow you to understand this reasoning?
May 16th, 2007 at 9:08 pmThose audience members each have twice your IQ….easy.
Comment by Tracy
Point out the ones that have a 334 IQ, please.
What a duffus.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:08 pmTracer, there are more xians who teach their children to hate than muslims that do. Bet on it, slag.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:09 pmComment by Tracy #35
…Well…
…THAT explains it…
May 16th, 2007 at 9:10 pmYour really need to read al Qaeda’s and Hamas’s charters.
Comment by Tracy
You really should have stayed awake in history class.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:11 pmCan Mr. President, or Patrick, or Jake tell me how Fort Dix backs up the statement that we have to stay in Iraq?
Comment by JPark — May 16, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
Sure,
If we instill Iraq with a democratic government that can function by itself than it is all the less likely to become a breeding ground for pissed of Muslims.
With one less breeding ground for pissed off Muslims we will be able to direct or attention to another breeding ground for the hateful Islamic radicals.
We will go to all the countries in the Mid-East, drop a Roach-Bomb in their midst, and which the Islamo-Fascists scatter like the roaches they are.
Iraq is just *one* obstacle in our way, but with each successive radical Islamic state converted to healthy democracy, the Muslim shiteaters will have one less country full of f*ckheads feeding them crap about 70 virgins.
It is stupid shit like “70 virgins” and “the holy land” and all those retarded religious beliefs that lead Muslim shiteaters to pull crap like Fort Dix, and 9/11.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:19 pmGive Tracy a minute folks, she’s feverishly working her mensonic IQ to formulate a response to criticalthinker’s post……
May 16th, 2007 at 9:21 pmMuslim shiteaters
Comment by Mr. President #44
I’ll bet YOU eat FARRRR more sh*t than they do…
…and you drink it too…
…you ignorant Bushballickin’ bi*ch…
May 16th, 2007 at 9:23 pmKinda looks like a lot of people don’t like being “converted”.
We are not safer
May 16th, 2007 at 9:24 pmOccupation breeds hate
Mr. President “If we instill Iraq with a democratic government that can function by itself than it is all the less likely to become a breeding ground for pissed of Muslims.”
And how long do you figure this will take? It isn’t like there has been any progress with the Iraqi government in the last 4 years. Why would you possibly think anything will change? By the way, you know what would make Iraq less likely to breed anti-American Muslims? Leaving.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:24 pmBut then again Mr. President, you didn’t answer my question. How does the Fort Dix BS make it necessary to stay in Iraq?
May 16th, 2007 at 9:25 pm“Iraq is just *one* obstacle in our way, but with each successive radical Islamic state converted to healthy democracy, the Muslim shiteaters will have one less country full of f*ckheads feeding them crap about 70 virgins.”
Wow, we are still working on converting ONE country into a healthy country. You are planning on hitting a few more? If so, I suggest you join up. The US is going to need a lot of troops.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:27 pmHmmmm Mr. President – that was supposed to be an answer to JPark’s question? All this time I thought you were supposed to be bush, looks like you’re closer to reagan. By the time he finished with his answer, you were always left wondering ‘WTF the was question again?’ too.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:31 pmIn stark contrast to the cold war, the United States today is not seeking to contain a threatening state empire, but rather seeking to convert a broad movement within Islamic civilization to accept the value structure of Western Modernity – an agenda hidden within the official rubric of a ‘War on Terrorism,’ [the report states].
Installing western values thru war and calling it a freedom operation is a terrible idea Mr President. It is our ‘Policy Makers’ that are using policy to install western values. The fact remains it is our policy of invading a secular country, in order to free it and install democracy.
BTW Mr President Saudi Arabia is not a democracy, you know from where Osama comes?
May 16th, 2007 at 9:34 pmBut then again Mr. President, you didn’t answer my question. How does the Fort Dix BS make it necessary to stay in Iraq?
Comment by JPark — May 16, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
I take it you posted this before you finished reading my reply. But actually, I did answer you question.
1 less fundamental Islamic center of shiteaters will mean less people raised on Islamic bullshit. Less people raised on Islamic bullshit will mean less stupid shit like Fort Dix.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:35 pmComment by Quadrajet — May 16, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
I forgot that your limited cognitive abilities could not comprehend a thorough explanation such as the one which I provided.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:37 pmAwwww man.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:38 pmBTW Mr President Saudi Arabia is not a democracy, you know from where Osama comes?
Comment by JT8D-15A — May 16, 2007 @ 9:34 pm
That’s true, JT8D-15A. The Kingdom is still pretty f*cked up though.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:39 pmMr. President,
I forgot that you were loquacious and end up not saying anything worth crap.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:39 pmWhy do they hate us? Because of our support of Israel, and for our aggression and open hostility in the region. Rudy is cracked, and besides Ft. Dix was foiled by police work not the army, duh.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:40 pmYou are planning on hitting a few more?
Comment by JPark — May 16, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
I’M not planning on doing shit, I’m just giving you the reasoning behind the old douchebag’s comments.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:41 pmMr. President,
I forgot that you were loquacious and end up not saying anything worth crap.
Comment by Barbarian — May 16, 2007 @ 9:39 pm
I’m sorry… Do I know you?
May 16th, 2007 at 9:42 pmNo, Mr. President, how does the Fort Dix farce support the idea that we need to stay in Iraq? Your reply did not answer that question.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:42 pm“I’M not planning on doing shit, I’m just giving you the reasoning behind the old douchebag’s comments.”
So, do you support his view or not?
May 16th, 2007 at 9:43 pmDo I know you?
Comment by Mr. President #60
Yep Quadrajet #51,
…you were right…
…it’s Ronnie Raygun…
…back from the DEAD…
May 16th, 2007 at 9:45 pmYou’re right Mr. P, having both frontal lobes intact I’m left totally incapable of understanding your explanation. I’m hesitant though to have one of them removed just so I can wrap what would be left of my head around your logic. Maybe if I briefly grab an exposed 220 volt line I could gain some temporary insight into your thinking though.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:45 pmI forgot that your limited cognitive abilities could not comprehend a thorough explanation such as the one which I provided.
Comment by Mr. President — May 16, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
Yeah, great explanation of shiteaters and f*ckheads.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:46 pmThat’s true, JT8D-15A. The Kingdom is still pretty f*cked up though.
Comment by Mr. President
It is. They have a horrible human rights record. I cannot imagine Iraq becoming but another Saudi type of government no matter how much money we throw into Iraqs infrastructure.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:46 pmMr. Preznit You should know Barbarian, JPARK, and even me. We make up 72% of the population. I bet I know what dimwitted demeographic you preside.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:49 pmYeah, great explanation of shiteaters and f*ckheads.
Comment by Zooey
Don’t forget, this particular troll is a self-proclaimed genius (just like most trolls). And if you’re going to play with it, don’t forget to wash your hands thoroughly after.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:50 pmSo, do you support his view or not?
Comment by JPark — May 16, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
No, I don’t think that his reasoning is valid at all. He has extended an argument using the terrorist threat at Ft. Dix to be a justification to fight to prevent possible future terrorist activities in Iraq. However, there is no real logical connection between the two.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:51 pmFascism comes draped in the flag and carrying a cross.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:53 pmIt is. They have a horrible human rights record. I cannot imagine Iraq becoming but another Saudi type of government no matter how much money we throw into Iraqs infrastructure.
Comment by JT8D-15A — May 16, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
Yeah, money is definitely not the answer. There has to be a grassroots movement from within Iraq, involving women especially, and members of the various religious sects. Only then will real progress be made.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:53 pmAre we sure that isn’t Bush in a Rudy mask? These clowns just make up an nonsense when they speak.
Pelosi get that table under the articles of impeachment!
May 16th, 2007 at 9:54 pmIn fact, Mr P. I see that Mr Veep is asking for help from the Saudis to get control of Iraq. The very same ideology, and place, that Osama comes from is now to help with Iraq?
I’m sorry, this makes no sense at all to me. Could you elaborate on this thinking Mr P?
May 16th, 2007 at 9:55 pmDon’t forget, this particular troll is a self-proclaimed genius (just like most trolls). And if you’re going to play with it, don’t forget to wash your hands thoroughly after.
Comment by gummitch — May 16, 2007 @ 9:50 pm
Self-proclaimed genius??
I don’t believe I made that proclamation sir.
Care to back that statement up???
May 16th, 2007 at 9:55 pm“……less stupid shit like Fort Dix.
Comment by Mr. President — May 16, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
You mean like the stupid shit (from Fort Dix) who dropped the flare into the tinder box of the Jersey pine barrens and lit off 20 square miles of pitch pine?
May 16th, 2007 at 9:56 pmDon’t forget, this particular troll is a self-proclaimed genius (just like most trolls). And if you’re going to play with it, don’t forget to wash your hands thoroughly after.
Comment by gummitch — May 16, 2007 @ 9:50 pm
I’m not going to play with it, I just wanted to point out that he didn’t answer the question — although why it was asked, I’ll never know. :D
May 16th, 2007 at 9:57 pmI’m sorry, this makes no sense at all to me. Could you elaborate on this thinking Mr P?
Comment by JT8D-15A — May 16, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
The Saudis gave ObL the boot after he started talking shit. Binny was pissed that his group of shiteaters was passed over, and instead the US was brought in to defend Kuwait in the 1st Gulf War.
I don’t like the Kingdom personally, but they are ashamed of Osama. He broke the law there and he is now a Saudi exile.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:01 pm“No, I don’t think that his reasoning is valid at all. He has extended an argument using the terrorist threat at Ft. Dix to be a justification to fight to prevent possible future terrorist activities in Iraq. However, there is no real logical connection between the two.”
You have it backwards. He claimed that Fort Dix was proof that we need to be in Iraq to avert terrorism here. It is a logical puzzle I can’t quite get my mind around.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:02 pmNo WMDs, no democracy, no freedom, no Saddam/Al Qaeda link.
Bunch of losers.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:05 pm“In fact, Mr P. I see that Mr Veep is asking for help from the Saudis to get control of Iraq. The very same ideology, and place, that Osama comes from is now to help with Iraq?”
ObL’s radical ideology came from his mujahideen days. The Saudis just want to chill, and stay rich.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:06 pmYou have it backwards. He claimed that Fort Dix was proof that we need to be in Iraq to avert terrorism here. It is a logical puzzle I can’t quite get my mind around.
Comment by JPark — May 16, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
Yeah, I didn’t hear a consistent argument either. He was probably playing off people’s fears since the Ft Dix thing just happened.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:08 pmOBL is pissed becuz US forces are in The Mecca and Medina. How about Chinese troops in the Vatican?
He broke the law there and he is now a Saudi exile.
Comment by Mr. President
He broke the law in Saudi Arabia. What did he do? He treated well a woman? ;)
May 16th, 2007 at 10:12 pmMr. President, OBL IS a rich Saudi from a family that has close ties with the Bushes. Why did he, among his whole family, become a terrorist?
May 16th, 2007 at 10:12 pmThe Saudis gave ObL the boot after he started talking shit. Binny was pissed that his group of shiteaters was passed over, and instead the US was brought in to defend Kuwait in the 1st Gulf War.
I don’t know what Kuwait has to do with Osama sir.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:12 pmHe probably was playing off peoples’ fears. He fit right in on that stage, then.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:13 pmHehe, nice, Juan!
May 16th, 2007 at 10:14 pmHe broke the law in Saudi Arabia. What did he do? He treated well a woman? ;)
Comment by Juan C — May 16, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
nah, I think he start a progressive blog.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:16 pmThat would do it, too, MP
May 16th, 2007 at 10:17 pmMr. Decadent, sir, Karl just text messaged me, suggesting I caution you about becoming to concilliatory in your responses to the progressive posters, as evidenced by your post #81.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:19 pmIt’s nearly bedtime, anyways, you need to log off, take your little pink pills, pet Laura, and kiss Barney goodnight.
You have it backwards. He claimed that Fort Dix was proof that we need to be in Iraq to avert terrorism here. It is a logical puzzle I can’t quite get my mind around.
Comment by JPark — May 16, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
We’re fighting them over there, so we can fight them…. no, wait…
May 16th, 2007 at 10:20 pmI think he start a progressive blog.
Comment by Mr. President
No, thats must be the US.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:25 pmEven if their talking points were honest, isn’t it nice of the Republicans to use the troops as magnets for terrorist violence? What a bunch of pu$$ies.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:27 pmThese idiots dont know already what to say to the other idiots at home listening to this cheap, embarrasing propaganda about terrorists everywhere.
If I go into some troll´s house and he shoots me, can I just say: Hey, why is he attacking me? Why is he trying to kill me? He is a barbarian. According to their logic, yeah. I have come to the conclusion that these people: fear mongers and sh*tless idiots that listen to fear mongers are chronically stupid. But the difference is that Giuliani and the other thugs get rich while the others are f*cked deep, but feel some relief when they hear stuff like “fighting them over there” crap.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:54 pmIf “they hate us for our freedom” why are they not threatening the Netherlands or Switzerland?
May 16th, 2007 at 11:00 pmThey want us out of their country. We are the infidels in their sacred land which has been the site of internecine fighting for centuries. We have given radicals a common enemy – us.
The last thing Mohammed Atta was heard screaming when he drove the jet airliner into the World Trade Center was: “It’s American policy that enrages me, not American culture and society. Michael Scheuer is an idiot, not an expert. TP has nothing but extreme, radical and idiotic liberal rantings. Giuliani is absolutely spot on. Jihad knows no citizenship or age. What a stupid point TP.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:03 pmFrom the moment 9/11 happened we’ve been told not to look for Root Causes. I suspect many of the conspiracy theories were encouraged by Talk Radio simply because they distracted people away from discussing Foreign Policy and the history of the region. Why?
Well, the American people tend to be fair and just. Given an honest account of how things got the way they are and what the feelings in the Middle East are, most Americans would demand a different Foreign Policy. And so a relentless propaganda campaign must keep us distracted.
Sadly, I find this has gone on so long now because nobody has taken the role of the honest broker. That is, The Judge. America uses the UN like the Church, using it to sanctify nasty policy when it suits its purposes but ignoring or even dismissing it when it tries to be a countervailing force.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:07 pmThis guy is a joker. He, and people like him, are what will be the downfall of America, to continually, simple-mindedly give completely untrue, false, outright lies about the reasons America was attacked for 9/11, and the reasons we may continue to be attacked.
How disingenous, how America-hating do you have to be, to put partisanship and your own political hide before the well-being of your country?
Americans are too busy with their lives, to give real thought to the ridiculous reasons put forth by this loser…but it’s going to cost them in the future.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:09 pmEric´s simple, happy world:
We are good. They are bad. Period.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:18 pm“He likes to wear big bras and red pantiesâ€
Comment by Jay Randal — May 16, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
That’s nothin’, I hear Brownback has a uterus
Comment by Quadrajet — May 16, 2007 @ 8:37 pm
Posts like these, PRICELESS!
May 16th, 2007 at 11:24 pm1 less fundamental Islamic center of shiteaters will mean less people raised on Islamic bullshit. Less people raised on Islamic bullshit will mean less stupid shit like Fort Dix.
Comment by Mr. President — May 16, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
This is a put on right? Nobody’s this stupid.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:36 pmUm, Mohammed’s last words were…”all these d!mn thongs…evil, evil thongs”!!!!
Der.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:45 pmNobody’s this stupid.
Comment by Shane
Wanna bet?
Hey, Daryll, what do you think about gay people?
Valiant Venus, could you explain me the beginning of the universe?
Valiant the Hater, could you prove…anything you spit out?
Exley, who is your idol?
Mr. President, just write something.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:49 pmComment by Juan C — May 16, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Thanks, Juan. The next troll storm is all your fault! I hope you’re happy.
:-D
May 16th, 2007 at 11:56 pmHey, Zoo…dont blame the player, blame the game. ;)
May 17th, 2007 at 12:00 amBlow back? Hate our freedoms?
Very simple: 9-11 was an inside job. Start seeing that and everything they do that doesn’t appear to make sense suddenly does.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:11 am“From the moment 9/11 happened we’ve been told not to look for Root Causes.”
Comment by david — May 16, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
You may be on to something. It may take a while, but a few more questions from Ron Paul to Rudy Giuliani (or even questions from the press) asking Giuliani and other Republican hopefuls what they believe to be the “root cause” of terrorism today – and we might start getting some useful answers. I would like to see some thoughtful analysis and comments on the true “root cause” (or causes) of terrorism today. Root cause analysis is a widely recognized scientific methodology that has been proven over the years.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:39 am#39
“How many Swedish soldiers are stationed outside of Sweden?”
Few if any. Sweden doesn’t have the ability militarily to station troops in other countries.
“Sweden does not have a foreign terrorism problem, and their lifestyle is just like America’s, Britian’s, and Spain’s”
Sweden isn’t the “face” of Western civilization. It doesn’t represent Western lifestyle to the degree that the U.S. or Britian does. It isn’t worth attacking a country who had little influence in the world….culturally or economically. Again please read the goals what groups like al Qaeda have published and professed.
BTW I am not suggesting that stationing Western troops on Muslim land isn’t a part of the reason for terrorist wanting to attack the U.S. or even our support for Israel, but it’s isn’t the main reason for their hatred of the West. You see to be suggesting, like many here, that if we were to pull all of our troops off Muslim land they would leave us alone….that’s just plain fantasy on your part.
“Does you IQ allow you to understand this reasoning?”
It’s faulty reasoning because it lacks deep thought and intellectual investigation.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:44 am#25
Show how little you know about these Islamic fundementalists.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:46 amTracy, you are a fool. A slimy little, sheep-like fool.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:49 am1 less fundamental Islamic center of shiteaters will mean less people raised on Islamic bullshit. Less people raised on Islamic bullshit will mean less stupid shit like Fort Dix.
Comment by Mr. President — May 16, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
This is a put on right? Nobody’s this stupid.
Comment by Shane — May 16, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
Shane does nothing but give aid and comfort to the enemy.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:51 amMr. President, just write something.
Comment by Juan C — May 16, 2007 @ 11:49 pm
Juan C emboldens the enemy, who is, in this case, namely, myself.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:53 amBlow back? Hate our freedoms?
Very simple: 9-11 was an inside job. Start seeing that and everything they do that doesn’t appear to make sense suddenly does.
Comment by Jersey Jay — May 17, 2007 @ 12:11 am
Jersey Jay = Islamo-Fascist
May 17th, 2007 at 12:57 am#25
Show how little you know about these Islamic fundementalists.
Comment by Tracy — May 17, 2007 @ 12:46 am
We call them Islamo-Fascists, Tracy. It’s a more accurate description since there are some Islamic fundamentalists who are not terrorists.
The other term, which I personally like, is “Muslim shiteater”.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:00 am#40
How would I know? I would venture to say that their IQ’s are around 115. Having said that I still by my previous statement about big papa….even with all his imbred language skills. Although I still don’t understand how he got a hold of a computer.
I hope you aren’t suggesting that his or your IQ is 167 or even close….are you? LOL!
May 17th, 2007 at 1:00 am#41
You must be one of those contributors.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:00 am#43
Apparently your history class didn’t teach anything about Islamic fundementalism.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:03 am#45
I wasn’t much of a thoughtful post.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:04 am#75
Ft. Dix is an Army base. I don’t think that the Army has any F-16s stationed there. The F-16 that dropped the flare was from the 177th Fighter Wing, New Jersey Air National Guard stationed at Atlantic City International Airport.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:20 am#78
Now way!
May 17th, 2007 at 1:22 amApparently your history class didn’t teach anything about Islamic fundementalism. Comment by Tracy — May 17, 2007 @ 1:03 am
Apparently you didn’t look in the mirror, and recognize that your Christian Fundamentalism is the same sh*t with a different name. Jake*ss.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:23 am#90
Keep going…you can do it.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:23 amWe call them Islamo-Fascists, Tracy. It’s a more accurate description since there are some Islamic fundamentalists who are not terrorists.
The other term, which I personally like, is “Muslim shiteaterâ€.
Comment by Mr. President — May 17, 2007 @ 1:00 am
Says the Judeo/Christian sh*teater. Sorry, but you wingnuts (especially tracy) all look alike to us… Murdering, torturing, religious lunatics.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:24 am#108
I am not the one who is only good at call others names and not debating.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:34 am#112
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
“Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and other societal interests inferior to the needs of the state, and seeks to forge a type of national unity, usually based on ethnic, religious, cultural, or racial attributes”
May 17th, 2007 at 1:37 am#119
Please present some evidence that suggest that I am a Christian fundementalist like that nutjob Falwell.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:39 am#112
Islamic Fascist is accurate, but please can it with the other vile descriptions.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:44 amApparently your history class didn’t teach anything about Islamic fundementalism.
Comment by Tracy
Mine reviewed all kind of fundamentalism. Not just the part I wanted to hear about.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:12 amIslamic Fascist is accurate, but please can it with the other vile descriptions.
Comment by Tracy
Just like American Wahabbism. I like that one. It describes you right wingers under the Fascio you are.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:14 amRudy won’t make top 3 GOP, if he does watch the GOP self destruct.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:40 amIslamic Fascist is accurate, but please can it with the other vile descriptions.
Comment by Tracy
wrong again, the term “islamic fascist” only serves to highlight the stupidity of the right when you use the word “facism” incorrectly. fascism is a political construct, a method of ruling. since terrorists technically do not herald from any one particular nation, your descriptor is inherently false. god i love impotent, drug addicted rush limpdick for planting in your tiny little brains the term “islamic fascist”. what dolts
May 17th, 2007 at 6:35 amWe are in Iraq so that we won’t have to fight terrorists here. Only we were told over and over after 9/11 that there are hundreds, maybe thousands of terror cells all over the U.S.A., just living their lives in secret, waiting to strike. We were told they are our neighbors, coworkers, fellow students…and they are biding their time until they blow us up. So which is it? Did we magically attract all radicals to one area in Iraq where they are all kept busy like little worker ants, fighting our soldiers? Or are they here, ready to blow up Fort Dix, schools, shopping malls, buy schoolbuses and drive our kids over cliffs, etc.? You can’t have it both ways. Either we are over there keeping them there, or they are here…if they are here, we should pull the soldiers out of Iraq and protect OUR COUNTRY.
Republicans are full of crap.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:48 amCounterrorism expert Michael Scheuer has correctly noted:
Was he the only one ?
May 17th, 2007 at 7:54 amCause you know, if there were 2 people on the whole planet who had made this obvious observation you could instead have quoted the other guy who didn’t think The Path To 9/11 was fictional because it left out the half a dozen instances Bill Clinton had to kill OBL but he prevented the CIA from doing this.
Rudy, who foiled the Fort Dix “plot”? As YOU said, the FBI did. It wasn’t the military in Iraq or Afghanistan. Good ‘ol police investigating over a 16 month period just as you said. Yet the Repugs ridiculed John Kerry for stating in the ‘04 debates that is how terrorism will be fought. Not with the miliatary, in some open ended occupation, getting weaker by the day, costing the US in BILLIONS of dollars. How about the London plot to use gels? Police work. Wow. Yet Rudy, you think we should fight them over there? Terrorists don’t have a country idiot. There is NO front.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:14 am@Faiz – you wrote,
I lived 4 blocks from WTC and lost my home that day and was damn lucky not to lose my life. This kind of cruel, moronic nonsense does NOTHING to further the goal of actually finding OBL, but rather prolongs the suffering of those of us who were directly affected by 9/11 (unlike, presumably, you).
Continuing to promulgate this mindless nonsense that somehow me and my 26,000 neighbors deserved this (which has been said to my face by folks just as ignorant as you) is the most loathsome example yet of lefty blogs ruining any credibility you might have ever had.
This will be my last visit to this site. Enjoy your delusional kaffeeklatsch.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:16 am#133, exactly how did Faiz say you deserved this?! You’re projecting. I have friends who lived directly across from WTC on Liberty and they just moved back in a year and a half ago. It is the politics of the US that breeds the hatred, nothing personal any of it’s private citizens did. Any person that says that to your face is ignorant.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:29 amI meant to say that any person who says you derserved this IS ignorant.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:30 am#132, to correct you, Faiz did not write the statement. It was a quote from Counterrorism expert Michael Scheuer. Take issue with him. But as far as anyone can determine, before the terrorists struck the WTC, they weren’t shouting that they are attacking you and your neighbors. They were attacking America and destroying the symbolism which the WTC towers represented as America. And you deride “Lefty Blogs”. Let’s talk about anyone that supported the Iraq War. No citizens of Iraq attacked us. The majority were Saudi. Did we attack them? Everyone in America feels for the victims of the WTC, and the displacment to the people in the neighborhood. But how about people start caring about the soldiers dying because we are occupying the neighborhoods in Iraq. And what about the majority of the innocent victims in those neighborhoods? Or the hundreds of thousands dead? Or the ones just trying to live life with minimal electricity and clean water? All thanks to the POLICY of this President to pre-emptively strike a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. The current policy of occupation of this President, supported by Rudy, is NOT winning the hearts and minds of any of those people and is only breeding further hatred towards the US. Not to Joseph Smith per se, but to all who are citizens.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:47 amIgnorant how ? Like they haven’t figured out that the concept of a democracy represents something more involved that voting every 4 years ?
You’ll be voting next year for a candidates who will continue current policy on Israel-Palestine as well as all political and economic policies towards underdevolped nations that existed on 10 September 2001.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:51 amThis is because no candidate needs to adopt any alternative policy to get elected.
Joseph Smith, you attack lefties for saying Americans deserved 9/11, yet didn’t you know righties say the same thing? Only instead of implying that it is the GOVERNMENTAL POLICY that is to blame, righties say it’s our religion (implying christianity), our lifestyles (capitalism – having material wealth, etc.) and our freedom/democracy. Therefore, they are attacking you on a personal basis…they are saying your religiion, your beautiful house, your right to vote, etc. are to blame. But somehow that’s okay by you. go figure.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:02 am#33 Comment by Joseph Smith — May 17, 2007 @ 8:16 am
You whined:
This will be my last visit to this site. Enjoy your delusional kaffeeklatsch.
Ah the sweet smell of anotherGBCW (”Good Bye Cruel World”) speech.
I agree with BuckarooBanzai in #34. Your complaint is misaimed. You should direct your anger at the real culprits, not project it on to the wrong people for spurious reasons.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:28 am# 137 Comment by Kilo — May 17, 2007 @ 8:51 am
Ignorant how ? Like they haven’t figured out that the concept of a democracy represents something more involved that voting every 4 years ?
What part of this don’t you understand:
It is the politics of the US that breeds the hatred, nothing personal any of it’s private citizens did. Any person that says that to your face is ignorant.
Comment by BuckarooBanzai — May 17, 2007 @ 8:29 am
It is clear and easy to understand. Yet your comment veers off down some other street. Where is your head this morning? Wake up and focus on the meaning.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:38 amwhen you have to use a raggedy talking point like ‘they hate our freedoms’which has become the sow’s ear of talking points, you SHOULD be treated with suspicion,if not contempt.the LAST thing America needs is a lazy man pining for the White House.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:08 amIf it’s easy to understand then you must be confused as to what “it” is.
He said that citizens aren’t responsible for the policies of their leaders. I’m asking WTF you think democracy is if not that.
If you don’t like my explanation read the subtitles on a translated jihadist video sometime which threatens western citizens with attacks. We are after all talking about how they view your responsibility for the actions of your leaders. So take their word for it.
Nobody cares what you think your culpability is as one would assume that you wouldn’t hold yourself as a viable target for retaliation under any circumstances.
No they don’t hate you for your freedom and democracy. They hate you because of what you do with it.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:16 amDoes rotten Rudy and his first wife attend family reunions, at the same time. That is your answer to rotten Rudy, he knew that woman was his cousin. Knocked the bottom out of that thing for 13 years, and then finds out she is his cousin. But notice they knew not to have kids.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:17 amApparently Mr. Scheuer missed the war declaration by Al Qaeda. I suppose he missed Osama’s outrage and indignation when US troops were stationed in Saudi Arabis during and after the first Gulf War. When jihadists go to war, they have no desire to negotiate and live amiable or peaceful lives. Radical Islam is bent on poisoning the minds of small children and conditioning them to become suicide bombers. What kind of religion has so little regard for it’s youngest?
This “topsy-turvy” misunderstanding of radical Islamic “culture” allows people with Mr. Scheuer’s credentials to blame the dead rather than blame the killers. Let’s be mindful that embassy bombings, train bombings, nightclub bombings and the destruction of the Twin Towers were designed as a war tactic.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:19 ami guess jewliani is another puppet thats going to bring the NWO if he wins,he already talking about the biometric I.D and he aint even in the house yet
May 17th, 2007 at 10:26 amRudy benefitted from 9/11 almost more than anybody….transformed him from a public servant into a multimillionaire almost instantly. Hopefully Rudy did read the 9/11 Commission Report because he siad one of the more controversial things in the entire report. From Rudy’s mouth during 9/11 testimony:
“…..we were told that World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse….”
9/11 is the only day in history that steel framed buildings have collapsed due to fire. MY question to you Rudy is simply “How did you know before all the other people that the WTC was coming down, and who told you?”
Why weren’t the people who lost their lives in the collpase given the same information? This is a serious question for a serious presidential candidate!!!!
9/11 TRUTH NOW
May 17th, 2007 at 11:24 amRon Paul won the debate because he made sense.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:50 amGIULIANI had a HAND IN 9/11 and it makes me sick to watch him with all of HE’S LIES!!!! GIULIANI IS A TERRORIST WORKING TO DISTROY THE UNITED STATES!! AND HE THINKS NOBODY KNOWS –WHAT AN IDIOT!!!
May 17th, 2007 at 12:24 pmGEE I GUESS I’M NOT ALLOWED TO POST THE REAL TRUTH ABOUT GIULIANE!! IT’S CENSORED!
May 17th, 2007 at 12:26 pm#129
:…fascism is a political construct, a method of ruling.”
Which the Islamic fundmentalists terrorists ultimately have as their goal. It’s spelled out as just that in al Qaeda’s charter. Please read it…you just might learn something.
http://www.ctc.usma.edu/aq/AFGP-2002-600175-Trans.pdf
“Page 2
Goals of Al Qaeda:
The victory of the mighty religion of Allah, the establishment of an Islamic Regime and the restoration of the Islamic Caliphate, God willing.”
“….since terrorists technically do not herald from any one particular nation”
That is irrelevant. Care to explain what that has do with the Islamic fundementalist’s adoption of fascist ideology in order to achieve their goal that is mentioned above?
May 17th, 2007 at 1:54 pmYup the media spin folks are scared shitless of Ron Paul. their actions confirm this. Hey I’m not a myspace user but i created an account( took about 45 seconds) and signed on to support him and keep track of whats happening. I love my country but not this neo-con government. So you might want to do the same , create an account and jump on the bandwagon. His myspace page is getting like 600 new friends everyday. Nice huh, lets do this for our future or better yet our kids future.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:58 pmtake care all
GO RON PAUL 2008
#129 and others,
Tracy is right, and if you don’t like her link, you can get the shit straight from the shiteater’s mouth at:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
May 17th, 2007 at 3:53 pmHere’s some of the shit that Binny-boy feeds the Muslims:
“Those [Muslim shiteating] youths know that their rewards in fighting you, the USA, is double than their rewards in fighting some one else not from the people of the book. They have no intention except to enter paradise by killing you. An infidel, and enemy of God like you, cannot be in the same hell with his righteous executioner.”
May 17th, 2007 at 3:59 pmRudy has lost his marbles. Rudy thinks he’s the boss of everything. He broke the rules of the debate to seize an opportunity to promote fear and the War on Terror, the exact stuff he’s been doing for six plus years now, the exact stuff which has earned him millions upon millions of dollars. This uncontrollable War Profiteer attacked Ron Paul simply because Rudy saw an opportunity to secure his war profiteering racket. Sorry Rudy, Ron Paul and I and most Americans read the 911 Commission Report; we heard Osama explain why he wanted to attack the USA; we read the reports on the CIA summation of why the USA was attacked on 9/11: US foreign policy has created a rising tide of anti-Americanism. It’s not hard to figure out. Everybody agrees. Maybe Rudy should stick to making millions profiteering off the War on Terror, fear, death and destruction. Maybe he should just read the Intelligence reports and think about something other being covered in blood money before shooting his mouth off anymore.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:47 pmComment by valiant venus #144 — May 17, 2007 @ 10:19 am
unsatisfying sexual anomaly (vaginal blackhole),
I sure hope you aren’t handling any…
…capital cases…
…blogging at 10:19 am?
May 17th, 2007 at 7:30 pm“From the moment 9/11 happened we’ve been told not to look for Root Causes.â€
Comment by david — May 16, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
You may be on to something. It may take a while, but a few more questions from Ron Paul to Rudy Giuliani (or even questions from the press) asking Giuliani and other Republican hopefuls what they believe to be the “root cause†of terrorism today – and we might start getting some useful answers. I would like to see some thoughtful analysis and comments on the true “root cause†(or causes) of terrorism today. Root cause analysis is a widely recognized scientific methodology that has been proven over the years.
May 18th, 2007 at 7:52 amHillary Clinton took big campaign money from a gentleman on the FBI’s Most Wanted Fugitive List, Ray Jinnah.
May 19th, 2007 at 8:50 amYou’re missing the point. The Republicans are purposely putting up Giuliani, so they lose the election. Hillary has been chosen as the next president by the people behind the scenes.
Why do you think they want Ron Paul out? People might actually see there is a rational person in the Republican party, and get behind him.
What we all need to do is get out of the Left vs. Right mindset. America is being stolen away from us in a good cop – bad cop scam.
May 21st, 2007 at 1:38 amGiuliani put words in Ron Paul’s mouth that weren’t there. Formally a ’straw man’ argument.
Whether Americans are smart enough to want adult foreign policy or will fall prey to cowboy clap trap i don’t know.
Does anyone have figures on how much AIPAC money Giuliani is getting?
I haven’t found any consolidated articulated data on it.
May 21st, 2007 at 3:56 pmI’ve lost all hope for your country. We are looking through the looking glass folks. If Ron Paul (the best canditate of either crap party) fails to convince a good majority of people to revert back to their constitutional and republic roots, if folks like Mr. President and Tracy continue to foist their own stupidity as gospel and it is taken as such, and if your mainstream tv and print media do not catch up to the newsworthy ability of the internet to maintain an educated and informed electorate.. then i say…
let Rome burn.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:29 pm#161
Stupidity? About what? What crap country do you reside?
May 25th, 2007 at 3:55 am