Romney: ‘We Ought To Double Guantanamo’
Romney: ‘We Ought To Double Guantanamo’
As Crooks and Liars noted, former governor Mitt Romney (R-MA) said tonight that instead of shutting the prison at Guantanamo Bay, “we ought to double Guantanamo,” in part so that detainees “don’t get access to lawyers they get when they’re on our soil.”
ROMNEY: I am glad [detainees] are at Guantanamo. I don’t want them on our soil. I want them on Guantanamo, where they don’t get the access to lawyers they get when they’re on our soil. I don’t want them in our prisons, I want them there. Some people have said we ought to close Guantanamo. My view is we ought to double Guantanamo.
Watch it:
Since its creation over five years ago, the prison at Guantanamo Bay has been a source of human rights abuses that have dangerously tarnished the reputation of the United States. Leaders across the world have called for its closure, including U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon and even President Bush’s ally, outgoing-British Prime Minister Tony Blair. President Bush even said, “I’d like to close Guantanamo.”
The facility faces widespread criticism at home as well. A poll last year showed that nearly two-thirds of Americans believe the United States “should change the way it treats detainees” to comply with international standards.
UPDATE: National Review’s Kathryn Jean Lopez calls “double Guantanamo” Romney’s “best line of the night.“
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Hey Romney how about we send you to the expanded GITMO facility first.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:58 am“As Crooks and Liars noted, former governor Mitt Romney (R-MA) said tonight that instead of shutting the prison at Guantanamo Bay, “we ought to double Guantanamo,†in part so that detainees “don’t get access to lawyers they get when they’re on our soil.â€
Double? How about Quadruple?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:00 amStupid is as stupid does.
Thanks Mitt, for removing any doubt remaining….
May 16th, 2007 at 1:05 am“Stupid is as stupid does.
Thanks Mitt, for removing any doubt remaining….
Comment by Zooey — May 16, 2007″
Really zooey? Care to explain why you feel that way? Are you in between your spelling and home economics class right now?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:09 amAnd thus a foreshadowing of what the years from 2008-2012 will be like under continued Republican Rule: Torture. Imprisonment without charges. Military Tribunals without defense counsel. Convictions based on Torture, hearsay, and “secret” evidence. People executed based on those “convictions.”
The United States, building upon pseudo Christianity, will become the greatest abuser of human rights the world has ever known. The Republican Party has become the party of darkness. Their path leads to extinction.
Indeed, their Rune is Yr: endings.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:10 amThe audience applauds again - Oh I forgot… it is faux news.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:13 am“#
And thus a foreshadowing of what the years from 2008-2012 will be like under continued Republican Rule: Torture. Imprisonment without charges. Military Tribunals without defense counsel. Convictions based on Torture, hearsay, and “secret†evidence. People executed based on those “convictions.â€
The United States, building upon pseudo Christianity, will become the greatest abuser of human rights the world has ever known. The Republican Party has become the party of darkness. Their path leads to extinction.
Indeed, their Rune is Yr: endings.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — May 16, 2007″
God I hope so! You left out our intentions of eliminating liberals!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:13 amReally zooey? Care to explain why you feel that way? Are you in between your spelling and home economics class right now?
Comment by michael
Nope. Tie a nice big bow in your thinking cap, and think real hard.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:14 amMaybe it will come to you.
Wow… usually I keep tabs on tp.org throughout my day. However, given end of term deadlines, today I read it all in one go. The sickness that has overcome the republican party, and US politics in general is much more disgusting in a single sitting.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:17 amReally zooey? Care to explain why you feel that way? Are you in between your spelling and home economics class right now?
Comment by michael —
Your ass is showing big time… what - can’t you stay on topic or is it too much for you???
May 16th, 2007 at 1:17 amROMNEY: I am glad [detainees] are at Guantanamo. I don’t want them on our soil. I want them on Guantanamo, where they don’t get the access to lawyers they get when they’re on our soil. I don’t want them in our prisons, I want them there.
And this is the leading country of the free world. Am I the one stupid here? (Yeah, I know)
May 16th, 2007 at 1:17 ammichael > so you 28 percenters want to eliminate us 72% of Americans? Wow you will have to build a lot of camps and gas chambers to kill us all. We will not go willingly to the ovens, so expect the 72% to kick your butts.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:19 amIs Romney for real??? Guantanamo is an abomination. How would Romney feel if arrested for suspicios activity and sent somewhere where he cannot have access to representation? The fear mongering of Guiliani, Tancredo and this idiot has me worried the next election will be all about fear, one more time around!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:22 am“Nope. Tie a nice big bow in your thinking cap, and think real hard.
Maybe it will come to you.
Comment by Zooey — May 16, 2007″
I tied that bow but the only thing that came to mind was a question that I have asked you many times without receiving an answer, why did it take kerry over 5 years to get his Honorable Discharge? When you get serious about having a real debate, you’ll take a stab at trying to answer that simple question! It’s really not that hard?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:22 am“michael > so you 28 percenters want to eliminate us 72% of Americans? Wow you will have to build a lot of camps and gas chambers to kill us all. We will not go willingly to the ovens, so expect the 72% to kick your butts.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 16, 2007″
Sorry, but the percentage of people who support Bush is 33%, the number of people who give Congress a thumbs up is 29%. Who controls Congress?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:26 amWhen you get serious about having a real debate, you’ll take a stab at trying to answer that simple question! It’s really not that hard?
Comment by michael
Aw cute little trollie, everyone one already knows you’re the Master Debater. Don’t try to gild the lily….
May 16th, 2007 at 1:27 am“Is Romney for real??? Guantanamo is an abomination. How would Romney feel if arrested for suspicios activity and sent somewhere where he cannot have access to representation? The fear mongering of Guiliani, Tancredo and this idiot has me worried the next election will be all about fear, one more time around!
Comment by leftcoast — May 16, 2007″
Do you have a verified education? I mean we can understand your comments if you received your education in a public (government) school, but that doesn’t excuse your stupidity!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:29 amThey’re plowing a lot of money into Gitmo “improvements”. Doesn’t look to me like they’re about to close it, no matter what anyone says.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:29 amRomney, lets throw your youngest kid in there.
Dont worry, if he is innocent, he will be back after 4 years. ;)
May 16th, 2007 at 1:31 am“Your ass is showing big time… what - can’t you stay on topic or is it too much for you???
Comment by had enough — May 16, 2007″
When I challenge your dumb statements, which zooey is famous for, all you have to say is I’m not staying on topic?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:31 amYahoo — common sense Romney. Guantanamo Bay is a PRISON, not a health spa or holding tank. I guess we are a bit confused about this concept since here in America we have so much chaos with our citizens, and illegal aliens we’re “allowed” to penalize, that we forget WHY people these people have personally EARNED prison time. Hmmmm — wonder where we would be today if our parent’s/grandparent’s generation bickered about holding prisoners of war captive and responsible. Maybe we would all be speaking German, with very limited freedoms. Wake up!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:31 amNine Britons were released, but Bisher al-Rawi and Jamil el-Banna are still in the detention camp in Cuba after more than three years. They are demanding their freedom with another man, Omar Deghayes. They won permission to seek a High Court order requiring the UK to petition for their release.
Mr al-Rawi and Mr el-Banna claim they were asked by MI5 to work for them, but were later handed to the CIA for “rendition”. Neither of the men were picked up in Afghanistan, but were associates of the Muslim cleric Abu Qatada in London.
Their lawyer, George B Mickum, a partner in a respected Washington law firm who had access to classified evidence, reported in The Independent yesterday that they were arrested in the African state of Gambia in November 2002. They were flown by the CIA to Afghanistan, where they were manacled, interrogated and imprisoned underground before being transferred to Guantanamo.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:32 am“And this is the leading country of the free world. Am I the one stupid here? (Yeah, I know)
Comment by Juan C — May 16, 2007″
Thanks for admitting your stupidity! It’s pretty sad to see the obvious ignorance of the left!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:34 amWell, looks like profiling and accountability might be in place here … another good idea. Can you say “Fort Dix”?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:35 amDouble? How about Quadruple?
Comment by michael — May 16, 2007 @ 1:00 am
As long as you sign up to be Jake*sses cell mate, we’ll consider it…
May 16th, 2007 at 1:36 amThanks for admitting your stupidity! It’s pretty sad to see the obvious ignorance of the left! Comment by michael — May 16, 2007 @ 1:34 am
If you’re a delusional little coward, with terrorist tendencies like you - any *fantasy* is easy to see. You’re such a poor delusional little lunatic…
May 16th, 2007 at 1:36 amDo you have a verified education? I mean we can understand your comments if you received your education in a public (government) school, but that doesn’t excuse your stupidity! Comment by michael — May 16, 2007 @ 1:29 am
As opposed to your verified *ignorance*? Poor little cowardly closet case…
May 16th, 2007 at 1:37 amWhen I challenge your dumb statements, which zooey is famous for, all you have to say is I’m not staying on topic?
Comment by michael
Do you see, had enough? Our Master Debater doesn’t feel challenged unless he’s vigorously debating uneducated lefties.
Please try to rise to the occasion and issue the Master Debater a proper debate topic. Then he will run away as fast as he can.
:-D
May 16th, 2007 at 1:37 amWhen I challenge your dumb statements, which zooey is famous for, all you have to say is I’m not staying on topic? Comment by michael — May 16, 2007 @ 1:31 am
Oh, you give yourself too much credit? You aren’t smart enough to *recognize* the topic - let alone stay on it. Poor little coward..
May 16th, 2007 at 1:38 am“Aw cute little trollie, everyone one already knows you’re the Master Debater. Don’t try to gild the lily….
Comment by Zooey — May 16, 2007″
zooey, as someone once said, you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, what’s your dumb excuse?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:38 am“They’re plowing a lot of money into Gitmo “improvementsâ€. Doesn’t look to me like they’re about to close it, no matter what anyone says.
Comment by libra — May 16, 2007″
Why should they?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:39 amI didn’t know it was nazi dress up night, wow I missed out, do we all get to post our pics of us in our little torture outfits?
Hating the Repukian Mafia forever
May 16th, 2007 at 1:41 am* American forces captured only 5% of all the prisoners at Guantánamo
* 55% of the prisoners were found by the military never to have committed a hostile act against the United States or its coalition allies
* the vast majority of the prisoners at Guantánamo were turned over to the Americans in exchange for large bounties paid for by the US
May 16th, 2007 at 1:41 amzooey, as someone once said, you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, what’s your dumb excuse?
Comment by michael
Once again, I am stung by your rapier wit.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:42 amI guess I can never fool you, oh great and glorious Master Debater.
“As opposed to your verified *ignorance*? Poor little cowardly closet case…
Comment by ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus — May 16, 2007″
As usual, a dumb liberal accusation without anything to back it up! Thanks for validating my accusations of you dumb leftists!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:42 amFBI Document number 5053, dated August 2 2004, reads as follows:
“As requested, here is a brief summary of what I observed at GTMO: On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position on the floor, with no chair, food, or water. Most times they had urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18, 24 hours or more.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:45 amOn one occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far and the temperature was so cold in the room, that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold. When I asked the MPs what was going on, I was told that the interrogators from the day prior had ordered this treatment, and the detainee was not to be moved.
On another occasion, the A/C had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his own hair out throughout the night.
On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the floor.”
Ignoring michael, the self-absorbed, grandstanding troll and his fellow troll-velers, it is time to see how many persons on this thread actually SUPPORT Romney’s proposal to DOUBLE the size of Gitmo?
COUNT ME OUT!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:46 am“oh great and glorious Master Debater.
Comment by Zooey — May 16, 2007″
Thank you for your recognition of the almighty!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:47 am“COUNT ME OUT!
Comment by hterrya — May 16, 2007″
Why? Give details?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:48 amDon’t feel sorry for criminals — Do you think you’d be enjoying something as simple as the freedom of online comments/debate if you were under some of their governments? Thank God for your freedoms, and respect the nation, military, and God which grants you them.
“Officials say that current DOD records indicate that 95 percent of detainees have been members or affiliates of Al Qaeda or the Taliban, and that 73 percent had engaged in hostilities against US or coalition troops. Approximately 385 detainees are currently held at Guantanamo Bay”.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:48 amhttp://jurist.law.pitt.edu/ paperchase/ 2007/ 05/ dod-says-some-former-guantanamo.php
Document number 3977 is a memorandum entitled “Impersonating FBI at GTMO”.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:48 amIt informs FBI superiors in Washington, DC that military interrogators at Guantanamo are impersonating the FBI when torturing prisoners. It goes on to state:
“These tactics have produced no intelligence of a threat neutralisation nature to date and the Department of Defense, Criminal Investigation Task Force believes that [the torture] techniques have destroyed any chance of prosecuting this detainee. If this detainee is ever released or his story made public in any way, DOD interrogators will not be held accountable because these torture techniques were done by the ‘FBI’ interrogators.
The FBI will be left holding the bag before the public.”
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As usual, a dumb liberal accusation without anything to back it up! Thanks for validating my accusations of you dumb leftists!Comment by michael — May 16, 2007 @ 1:42 am
As usual, a dumb conservative accusation without anything to back it up!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:49 amThanks for validating that your accusation is just that of a dumb right wing nut. Coward.
zooey, as someone once said, you can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, what’s your dumb excuse? Comment by michael — May 16, 2007 @ 1:38 am
BAHAHAA, says the 28% that’s still fooled. What is your excuse? Dementia?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:50 amThank you for your recognition of the almighty!
Comment by michael
You are ever so welcome, Master Bater.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:50 amIf corroboration is needed, the FBI accounts are confirmed by the International Committee of the Red Cross, which reports that the methods used at Guantanamo have, over time, become “more refined and repressive” than those witnessed by the Red Cross on previous visits.
Red Cross officials are on record stating that military interrogators seek to make detainees dependent upon them through “humiliating acts, solitary confinement, temperature extremes, use of forced positions”. They confirm that prisoners are exposed to loud and incessant noise and music and were subjected to “some beatings”.
The Red Cross also reports that interrogators not only used psychological and physical coercion, but also enlisted the participation of medical personnel in what the report called “a flagrant violation of medical ethics”.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:51 amDoctors and other medical personnel work directly with military officials at Guantanamo, conveying data about prisoners’ “mental health and vulnerabilities”. The Red Cross reports these medical professionals become part of the torture and interrogation machine. Their chief function is not the medical care of prisoners, but assisting interrogators in extracting information. As a result, prisoners no longer trust doctors and others to whom their treatment is entrusted.
Republicans like torture and secret prisons so much they’re making campaign promises to do more of it. Just before and after they praise the lord that they live in a christian nation. And they want to be seriously considered as candidates to become the leader of the free world?
Newsflash for Mr. Romney. “Over there” is “over here”. We are legally liable for all conduct that takes place in Guantanamo Bay. In the unlikely event that you win an election, don’t travel abroad. You’re likely to end up in court in a civilized country for war crimes.
Let’s not let their brazen advocacy of inhuman treatment dull us to the criminality these men are proposing. In effect, they are promising to lynch the [foreign] nigras to keep good white folks safe Their are not talking about law and order or security; they are promising to engage in criminal conduct in order to win high elected office. They did everything but wear their white sheets and pointy hats.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:51 amIf there are that many prisoners of war to fill the double-the-size-Gitmo-plan, count me in. DUHHHHH !! It’s a prison, we are at war.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:52 amThank you for your recognition of the almighty!
Comment by michael — May 16, 2007 @ 1:47 am
Almighty *fool*? Everyone knows chickenhawk cowards like you…
Why? Give details?
Comment by michael — May 16, 2007 @ 1:48 am
The detail is that you’re a coward, just like Osama. You’re the same, you just speak yiddish, redneck or *both*…
May 16th, 2007 at 1:52 amIn the five years since the US started shipping prisoners from around the world to Guantanamo, approximately 99% of the prisoners have never been charged with any transgression, much less a crime.
Approximately 400 of these prisoners, characterised by the Bush administration as “the worst of the worst”, have been released without charge, many directly back to their families.
That any prisoners have been released is due almost entirely to the outrage of the civilised world.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:53 amAlmost 100 prisoners that we know of have died in US custody.
33 of these deaths are formally classified as homicides by the military. Not since WWII, when the US imprisoned American citizens of Japanese descent has this country experienced such a constitutional nadir.
If the world is to fight this war on terror, morality must not be allowed to become collateral damage.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:56 amWhy? Give details?
Comment by michael
Whynot? Details?
Your such a fraidy cat michael
May 16th, 2007 at 1:57 amThat any prisoners have been released is due almost entirely to the outrage of the civilised world. Comment by Royston Vasey — May 16, 2007 @ 1:53 am
Didn’t you hear? The wingnuts like michael share Osama’s belief that there are no “innocents”, only people that haven’t been properly tortured yet.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:57 amHey Michael,
Here’s a compliment for you and all of your right wing hit job con artist friends:
You play the part so well - the part of the dim-witted, back-hills, yokel Red State Republican that rational liberals try to painstakingly educate, despite your apparent inability to fall from the party line.
In the meantime, you’re likely a highly educated person who knows that the drivel you type is hollow and without solid reason. You reduce yourself to a child who enjoys shaking bees’ nests. Fortunately for you in the blogosphere, you run very little risk of getting stung. But in the end, what have you really done with your life?
Ignore the blather everyone. Rational political discourse will hopefully return in about 18 months.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:58 ammichael=fears all
May 16th, 2007 at 1:58 amChilling.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:58 amThink Michael think
Comment by The Pitbull
Sorry, the Master Bater is too busy pondering his next escape……er, debate topic. No time to think!
May 16th, 2007 at 2:00 amDUHHHHH !! It’s a prison, we are at war.
Comment by Debra
Must be why George considers it the 51 state. It was and is, little girl, a police action not a war.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:01 amRepubliCONs are unfit for public service. They’re becoming indistinguishable from islamic fascists.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:03 amThese debates are the best thing the democratic party could have hoped for; these idiots are forced to try to outdo each other on stage to appeal to their perceived “base”, with each statement more outrageous than the last with respect to the “non-28%’ers”.
Their words tonight (and undoubtedly from subsequent debates) will come back to haunt them in 2008.
It’s like The Daily Show, the jokes write themselves…
May 16th, 2007 at 2:03 am#7
Romney is looking like a better President day by day. He was a good businessman, and when he stomps on Hillary he will be a good Commander in Chief.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:04 amDo you have a verified education? I mean we can understand your comments if you received your education in a public (government) school, but that doesn’t excuse your stupidity!
May 16th, 2007 at 2:05 amComment by michael
Naw, eye’s never did receive no edujimication. Seein’ as its kinda late, eyes do make some grammatical errors.
But, Michael wouldja tells me what your excuse is for your irrogance, instability and immaturity.
We are at war, therefore we have the benefit/availability of Gitmo where we house prisoners. I think that we could discuss topics much easier if we didn’t throw insults into the mix. Shall I call you “Little Pitbull” or Pitbull? I’m sure that I know which you’d prefer… and that’s the way we should treat each other. For those of you who are outraged over Gitmo, it appears that many of you are quick to get ugly with your comments. I find that pretty interesting, seeing as you try to submit comments which allude to being a peace loving type of people, and yet many of you are the first to get mean and ugly with your remarks.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:09 amWow! I don’t know who this Michael dude is, but he sure is one fucked in the head, small minded, sub-human! Drink a lot of that Kool-Aid there Mikey, don’t ya! You really ought too consider given the shit up. Being a paranoid, delusional, holier than thou ass isn’t very flattering on you.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:12 amRomney is looking like a better President day by day. He was a good businessman, and when he stomps on Hillary he will be a good Commander in Chief. Comment by m12 — May 16, 2007 @ 2:04 am
BAHAHA, yeah, you should see how he fairs in the polls. He’s a lunatic religious wingnut - that explains why you like him - loser!
You do realize that the voting demographics are completely skewed against you wingnuts - right? Or does your delusional fantasies preclude reality on this issue as well?
May 16th, 2007 at 2:16 amWhat’s scary is the reaction to Ron Paul’s comments regarding the reason for 9/11. Yes, his statement was not well stated, but his meaning is 100% right on:
The reason for terrorist attacks on the US, and the reason for international rancor against the US, is a foreign policy that messes with those nations.
Any candidate who disagrees with this knows nothing about history and international politics.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:17 amFor those of you who are outraged over Gitmo, it appears that many of you are quick to get ugly with your comments. I find that pretty interesting, seeing as you try to submit comments which allude to being a peace loving type of people, and yet many of you are the first to get mean and ugly with your remarks. Comment by Debra — May 16, 2007 @ 2:09 am
Yeah, we really should *coddle* you while you advocate *torture*. You’re a really st*pid person, aren’t you?
May 16th, 2007 at 2:18 amor, as your hero - the commander guy sez: “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
i doubt that education, knowledge of history, a belief in human rights or common sense would qualify as a “dumb excuse?” but those are the best that i can offer in rebuking the tenets of not just the republican candidates but most of the democrats as well.
what a sad state our nation is in that these idiots are the best we have to lead us - at least, those ignorant enough to follow.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:18 amThis is not a hashing of views and comment section, this is a MySpace rant from High Schoolers. Good night.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:19 amJake > so you claim that 33% back Bush, but recent polling says down to 28% now. Even if your claim of 33% is valid, that still means 2/3 of Americans (67%) are against Bush. So anyway you fat ugly wussy 33% want to kill us 67%? The odds are against you!
May 16th, 2007 at 2:19 amhey guys….the way i sea it…..simple…not heady or anything…..is this….mike how would u feel if someone knocked (more like kicked) on ur door and said get the f…k out…i want this joint…..& then to add insult they hit u upside ur head on your way out……so dude….we are in the wrong place at the wrong time……they thought it was going to be easy to steal the oil….lord knows they stole everything else….but one problem…the deal is not done yet…..so we stay…we wait….spend more $$$….wait,,,,,stay,,,,,sea what i am talking about……..
May 16th, 2007 at 2:26 amIn defense of Romney, I think he may have confused Guantanamo with Guacamole.
Never go shopping or debating on an empty stomach.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:27 amIs this Homey in La Costa?
May 16th, 2007 at 2:30 amGuess I hit a nerve their Mikey! Add coward too my comment that has somehow been removed from the comments after being posted, and yet it included no profanity, no threats, or anything else that should warrant being removed, so I can only guess someone couldn’t handle the truth!
May 16th, 2007 at 2:39 amWait’a slit your wrists Mitt. I guess those official mormon underwear aren’t so magical afterall.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:58 amWell, Mitt does have a point (on top of his head…). After all, we will need someplace to hold Repubs after the ‘08 elections. And of course, we will need to get answers from them by any means necessary, so maybe expanding Gitmo and training more Torture Specialists, 4 th Class, would be a good thing.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:58 amAmerika is ready to DOUBLE-DOWN on the death and torture of innocents, because morality has nothing to do with the pretense of achieving an impossible safety.
Whistlelblower SILENCING is basic to the Romney Plan. (cue picture of daisy and atom bomb)
Without “lawyers” and without “reporters” and after “whistleblowers” are punished to the full extent of my extraordinary ’sole authority’ war powers — we will no longer have these EMBARRASSING (but profitable) exposures of our national security weaknesses to the terrorists, people.
Instead, we will still have GIGANTIC BLATANT WEAKNESSES INVITING TERRORIST ATTACK, but we will not have our illusions shattered, unless we vote for Democrats and actually repair our national security — which anyone will tell is, is just NOT as profitable.
May 16th, 2007 at 3:19 amSounds like what the founders would have said …..this guy is religious??? I guess that it explains it. These people that are so extremely bent on including their religion in government tend to be very dangerous. I’ve really had enough of hearing why their God is so stupid that he can’t even figure out evolution. My God on the other hand is so smart that he even knows more than we humans do. And Jesus was actually forgiving and believed that humans shouldn’t kill or torture each other especially when defending their religion.
May 16th, 2007 at 3:30 amRepublicans actually think “24″ is reality and Jack Bauer is going to save them by torturing some TV villain.
In the Fox News interview with Hannity, Romney talkes about that fictional “ticking bomb’ scenario that makes all the neocons wet their pants. Sadly, they don’t understand that it’s a fantasy, as real experts in interrogation have made clear.
Republicans just cannot seperate fantasy from reality.
May 16th, 2007 at 3:42 amYeah. Hold 400-500 individuals indefinitely, don’t charge them, don’t give them lawyers, bring charges against, what, maybe a half dozen? Let the rest rot until you figure out how to dump them. Then double it.
From the “Bring democracy to the world” crowd. The party of death keeps selling … but the rest of the world isn’t buying.
May 16th, 2007 at 3:58 amThe same should happen to suspected american terrorists worldwide as well if thats how you feel, considering only 3 have been charged at Guantanamo tick for tack
May 16th, 2007 at 4:17 amwonder how he would feel about all the Mormons in GITMO?
May 16th, 2007 at 4:26 amDo you have a verified education? I mean we can understand your comments if you received your education in a public (government) school, but that doesn’t excuse your stupidity!
Comment by michael
Hey, mikey, it’s been nearly three months since I told you here that my “inferior” public high school produced a Nobel prize-winning physicist, a former Secretary of State, a Newbery medalist, at least one Pulitzer Prize winner, etc. and asked you what luminaries your supposedly superior private high school produced. You still haven’t answered. Is it too hard for you?
May 16th, 2007 at 4:33 amBTW, I have read many, many posts on TP by Zooey, and I’ve never seen her make any spelling mistakes as stupid as your “Have you been excepted(SIC) in fifth grade yet?” You’re like a very old pot calling a brand-new porcelain kettle black, hypocrite!
Mitt came off as a lunatic but I guess he was just trying to pander to the dwindling republican base. He seems to do that a lot. One day he is for abortion, the next pro life.
Considering his stance on ignoring the Constitution and US treaties, he should consider sending himself and his fellow Neonuts to GITMO. That would be the only justified reason for doubling the size of GITMO and then some.
May 16th, 2007 at 4:54 amThe trolls on this post have obviously never read newspapers from other parts of the world decrying our torture center in Cuba. They also must never have read Kafka and his accounts of frightening totalitarian governments that deprive citizens of their rights. It is happening in Guantanamo and it is beginning to happen here. I still cannot believe there are Americans who think it’s fine to deprive others of the rights they hold dear. Whatever happened to the Christian “Do unto others and they would do unto you?” But perhaps these posters are not Christian. The US cannot hold the moral high ground as long as Guantanamo exists in its current form.
May 16th, 2007 at 4:54 amMitt Romney is a hard-nut! Awesome.
He’s so much more intelligent and articulate than the current president. This guy represents vision and strength.
Just hope he is all for stem-cell research too.
Cheers
May 16th, 2007 at 5:09 amDan
http://www.themodernman.com/
ccoaler.blogspot.com
Sarkozy in Berlin
May 16th, 2007 at 5:27 amMitt just gave us the first lesson in a long-standing Repugnican college course called “Playing to the Base 101″
May 16th, 2007 at 5:28 amSo what! Should we release these innocent, harmless, loving, ragheads into your neighborhood?
Comment by michael — May 16, 2007 @ 1:46 am
Sure - I’m hoping the Uyghurs come to live in DC. Maybe they’ll open a restaurant. Uyghur lamb kabobs are awesome.
May 16th, 2007 at 6:00 amA doubling of Gitmo would be just about right in order to hold all of the bush administration clowns and cronies that think they’re above the law.
May 16th, 2007 at 6:15 amWhen a libertarian wacko wins the debate, you know your party is in trouble.
May 16th, 2007 at 6:36 amNot worth commenting or trying to stay on topic since most of this comments section is over-run with personal attacks. If you folks want to spat why not do it elsewhere so that people who are honestly interest in the “topic” can discuss same.
May 16th, 2007 at 6:52 amNot worth commenting or trying to stay on topic since most of this comments section is over-run with personal attacks.Comment by kenoshaMarge
May 16th, 2007 at 7:11 amIts sad when bloggers use personal attacks to justify their position. But don’t let this discourage you. There are many of us who want to openly discuss and debate.
Well, let him talk himself into political insignificance, along with all the others. There is not a chance that one of these guys will be your next president.
And it gets worse for them with every day, that Mr Bush stays in office. I’m beyond advocating impeachment. If you can bear this for the next twelve months’, you can start criminal investigations into this administrations’ behaviour after a democratic president has been elected.
Given the sheer amount of scandals with probable criminal behaviour in the background, prominent Republicans will be standing in the dock well into the 2030s. Looking forward to better times, doro.
May 16th, 2007 at 7:13 amThe US is heading full steam ahead towards fascism.
As soon as the next major false flag, err…. I meant terrorist act happens, you can kiss the US, as you know it, goodbye.
And mark my words… it WILL happen. Why do you think that guys like Romney are spewing this rhetoric. They know exactly what’s coming up.
May 16th, 2007 at 7:18 amGod I hope so! You left out our intentions of eliminating liberals!
Comment by michael
How did that work out for your redcoat buddies?
“Give me Liberty or give me death!”
May 16th, 2007 at 7:22 amJUST CHANGE YOUR FOREIGN POLICY ITS EASIER CHEAPER AND WORKS BETTER
May 16th, 2007 at 7:25 amThe US is heading full steam ahead towards fascism. Comment by JPV
Bush’s Suspension of Habeas Corpus in the Military Act of 2006 has set the stage for suspending rights across the board in the case of another attack on US soil.
May 16th, 2007 at 7:27 amThe right of writs of habeas corpus are granted in Article I, Section 9, clause 2 of the Constitution, which states, “The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.”
Not since Lincoln has this been done.
I’ll have double-Guantanamo with a cinnamon stick and a plain bagel, please.
May 16th, 2007 at 7:34 amI think we should have a double secret Gitmo. Sorry, I know this is serious but I keep seeing the Dean from Animal House saying “Double Secret Suspension” in my mind over and over.
Or maybe Romney means to “double the size” by taking the rest of Cuba, Romney you sly dog.
Gitmo is hip, its like the new Siberia.
May 16th, 2007 at 7:47 amThe world has had enough from your rotten to the bone country
May 16th, 2007 at 7:53 amAmericans love to supersize everything. Its ingrained in us that Bigger is Better. But then of course that fosters fat, which leads to sloth.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:01 amJay Randal @ 2:19 am:
I am not michael. Maybe you needed to get some sleep? When you finally wake up, did you see where Congress’s approval rating was LOWER than Bush’s?
May 16th, 2007 at 8:05 amYah, Bigger is Better : only when it takes fat turds like Falwell.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:06 amReturn GITMO prisoners to their home countries now! Their families and friends will be the world’s future terrorists thanks to Bush’s short-sightedness. The world is NOT safer for Bush’s GITMO. In fact everything Bush has done has made us less safe.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:12 amIf America dont undo what Bush did then we will hold all Americans for what Bush done
May 16th, 2007 at 8:16 amIf America dont undo what Bush did then we will hold all Americans for what Bush done
May 16th, 2007 at 8:26 amComment by Peter M
There is no way to undo what Bush has done. America is accountable. My son will pay the price for that which we have wrought by not impeaching Bush and Cheney.
I did not watch the Fox show of last night,but it was sad to read what these gentlemen !!’with nice ties and expensive suits’ were saying last night about Medieval torture.
Romney wants to expand the facilities..and Jiuliani will use all methods he can find..
another using Hollywood characters to solidify their beliefs in torture.
This comes from candidates who claim to have religious passion for life,..we are all religously ‘Pro life’, they will tell you..but they never mention lives of Iraqis or US soldiers who are killed daily,or lives lost to torture.
This posturing of these candidates saw no limits accepting the disallowed torture according to International treaties we signed.
These candidates need to work on restoring US standings in this world,instead.
Stories and images of torturing while preaching other countries of human rights will not sell around the world.
What is more sad that some people applauding and cheering the torture advocates.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:29 amGoodbye, Mitt.
CAN’T THE REPUBLICANS FIELD A SINGLE, COMPETENT CANDIDATE? It’s laughable.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:42 amMitt Romney has a very high wimp-factor within his own party. Thus, every Romney response is a pissing contest to show that he can be just as tough as the others against everything America stands for. He’s trying to out fascist the fascists.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:48 amAll Americans should be concerned about how such messages by US presidential candidates received by the countries around the world.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:57 amIgnore the trolls: Jake, Michael, VV, etc…
Just scroll down to the name and bypass if you see one of the above.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:57 amGoodbye, Mitt.
CAN’T THE REPUBLICANS FIELD A SINGLE, COMPETENT CANDIDATE? It’s laughable.
Comment by And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid — May 16, 2007 @ 8:42 am
This Ron Paul guy seems to know what he’s talking about, foreign policy-wise, anyhow.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:02 amYes, there are too much republican crooks to hold in Guantánamo.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:05 amWe need to stomp rommy campaign now. yesterday saw a sickening cover of either newsweek or time with a much too flattering photo of this “elite” scum with the headline HE LOOKS LIKE A PRESIDENT.
WRITE TO THE MEDIA CONSTANTLY TO TELL THEM WE WILL NOT ACCEPT ANOTHER SKULL AND BONES CANDIDATE.
Help the concentration camps victims at Guantanamo:
http://www.WitnessToTorture.org
May 16th, 2007 at 9:07 amhttp://www.CagePrisoner.com
http://www.dailykos.com/ story/ 2007/ 3/ 26/ 13514/ 9691====
What it’s going to take is real confrontation there are people who right now, in the privacy of their own hearts and minds, are committed to doing whatever it takes to conserve their God-given right to strip naked and sexually and violently abuse and drive insane whomsoever they please.
And they’ll fight, fight violently if they can get away with it, to preserve their prerogative that some get to abuse, and some get the privilege (sic) of being abused by them, and woe to the intercessor, the do-gooder, who gets in the way.
If we now have a military that embraces such behavior, then they can find another way to pay for their activities. And if they want to pillage their own people to get their bullets paid for, well, we won’t be their own people for very much long after that. And they won’t be our military, either.
Millions, no, tens of millions have died putting an end to regimes that thought torture was an acceptable business activity. Hundreds of millions haev died because such ‘activity’ was tolerated, or failed to be stopped in time to save them.
To give the pretense of cover for torture is a war crime.
Either the brass puts an end to this pretense that torture is valid operations and tactics, or the government does, or the people will.
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Some of this shit is being used in America
The so-called supermax prisons are castles of torture, specializing in the use of isolation, sensory deprivation, and degrading behavior.
If you read the histories on mind control research, you’ll see that many, many “experiments” were run in this country on unsuspecting victims, some of whom later sued and won money from the government.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:08 amWhy do you always make me want to SCREAM? I want this news to be an informed citizen, but reading this about our “leaders” makes my blood pressure go through the roof. (I just wish I could move my business to Canada. The weather is nasty, but it would probably put years on my lifespan.)
May 16th, 2007 at 9:16 amyes, we need to make room for the Mormons… oh!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 9:18 amOnly one thing seperates Romney from the other third tier candidates; all that Mormon money.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:20 amQ. Is Romney for real??? Comment by leftcoast
A. No.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:23 amComment by a Massachusetts resident
It never ceases to amaze me how these neoCONS don’t pay attention or don’t care what the American public thinks. Sixty seven percent of Americans want us out of Iraq. That number has to include a lot of Republics. I also know that a majority of Americans (I don’t remember the exact figure) want us to shut Guantanamo.
Why do these people think they can be elected as the President by pandering to the 28% of the idiot public out there that still supports Bush. Because those are the only people these candidates are talking to right now.
Oh well, they really should keep it up. The 2008 election will be a cakewalk for the Democrats and a bloodbath for the Republics. And these debates are priceless because they are giving the Democrats lots of good soundbites for their advertisements.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:26 amRomney is correct. We will need the space for all who voted to invade IRAC.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:31 amI am abandoning this thread. You folks have allowed the trolls to take it over. Why do you do that? If you ignore the trolls they will get bored and go away. I almost think you folks come here to play with the trolls. I know it’s fun, but it really kills a thread.
PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 9:36 amQ. Is Romney for real??? Comment by leftcoast
May 16th, 2007 at 9:37 amA. No.
Comment by a Massachusetts resident
Comment by Georgette Orwell
Goodmorning Mass. resident. Yeah, I woke up this morning refreshed via a dream. He truly isn’t real. I believe he is just a wooden puppet like Pinochio. I actually saw his nose lengthening in my dream.
Mitt… (must be an in-the closet catcher)
May 16th, 2007 at 9:38 amMORmON fascist…..God is laughing at you.
When is someone going to point out the obvious - there is no way that any prisoner currently held at Guantanamo has any information of any value as FIVE YEARS have passed since their incarceration. What are they being tortured for today? Fun? The joy of cruelty to another human being? What possible good can come out of their continued detainment?
Also of note, it is ironic that people who decry the costs of prisons and prisoners have no bones about flushing money down the toilet on this place.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:31 amDouble Guantanamo?
May 16th, 2007 at 10:35 amIt sounds like something you order at Starbucks.
No, we need three of them. Two won’t be enough to hold all the godhating taxraising librel idiots in our great country.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:40 am“Double Guantanamo”?
May 16th, 2007 at 10:50 amI was under the impression Mormons did not drink.
Change your screen name around since yesterday, j scotty j ?
May 16th, 2007 at 10:53 amStill haven’t learned how to spell, I see.
It seems now the main qualification to be a presidential candidate is to be a ‘multi millionaire’ so you can represent the majority of Americans who are struggling to make ends meet.
The same trend now in the US Senate,’The Millionairs CLub’.
That’s not much of a representaion of the masses. America should stay away from these millionaires and look for someone who really feels their pain to represent them truly. Is that Giuliani,Romeny,Hillary…?!!
I don’t think so…
May 16th, 2007 at 10:53 amWell we would need it doubled if CONGRESS WOULD DO THEIR JOB AND PUT THE REPUKIAN CRIMINALS IN THERE !!!
Bush = war criminal
his staff = war criminals
Cheney = war criminal
his staff = war criminals
Repukians = criminals
that would pretty much fill it up.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:01 am“As usual, a dumb liberal accusation without anything to back it up! Thanks for validating my accusations of you dumb leftists!”Comment by michael —
No evidence, nothing to back it up? Hmm, the video wouldn’t be evidence, no? You must be even dumber than you sound. I feel sorry for you and your political party, you are about to go the way of the Whigs unless you change something and change it quick.
How the mighty do fall– as another GOP failure Nixon said “Only if you have been in the deepest valley, can you ever know how magnificent it is to be on the highest mountain.”
So Michael, how does it feel to have the GOP wither in the deepest valley while the Democrats sing from the highest mountain? Your gonna lose, you’ll lose in ‘08 and you may lose in ‘12 as well…
So keep up the good work, jackass! People like you only make the Libs look good, so keep it up! Do it more! Common! I like it when Conservatives look like raving lunatics with no respect for the law or humanitarian rights!
We need more GOP fascist like you to help prove to America why Republicans are such a poor choice, and your own words are the best weapon to use against you.
Because you make the GOP look so bad I am almost willing to pay you to continue to do it. Hell, get your friends to do it too. All we need is a few more GOP asses to look like fools and it’s in the bag for the Dems in ‘08.
Maybe the GOP doesn’t get why it lost the election yet, but it’s all because of your corruption, lying and extremism( and of course the war). So maybe, you know, cut back on the extremism, might help you a little… Being a Christian extremist is not much better than being an Islamic extremist and now most Americans realize that, unfortunately for you.
Why don’t you say… get a life. What kind of loser goes around to websites they don’t like to start arguments? Oh, that’s right, a loser with no life, like you. So I guess I answered my own question.
I never go to Conservative websites and post comments. What’s the point? Are you that dumb you think your going to change someones mind? That’s funny, and sad.
Do you really think your making a point? No, your just wasting your time and reinforcing the beliefs of people who do like this site, the exact opposite of what your trying to accomplish.
Your just a bitter little bully pulpit with no real point to prove (other than what a fool you are) so you just throw out random insults hoping to change the subject. Every lawyer knows if you can’t win the case and your client is guilty, change the subject.
All people like you do is help marginalize the Republicans and make Democrats looks more reasonable, so keep up the good work genius, I like you.
By the way, are you campaigning for the Dems or the GOP, I can’t tell because your making the GOP look so bad I am assuming your campaigning for the Dems…
May 16th, 2007 at 11:09 amHere’s a thought: How about we lock Mr. Romney there? Let’s see how log he lasts.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:22 amThe pro-torture party should make us all so proud to be Americans. Criminy-these look-alike Stepford GOPs have lost contact with sanity. As evidenced by some of the posts here, the 24-percenter sheep are following them over that cliff, too.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:33 amI think this reflecfts the Romney (Mormon) characteristic that there is a hierarchy of authority and that (his) authority is not to be questioned. Punishment to anyone who doesn’t fall into submission.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:00 pmThat he advocates the continuation of torture can only be explained by his authoritarian nature, his paternalistic approach to everything, and the certain belief that he is right.
He can change his mind as he desires, but he will deem that as the “hand of God” at work. After all we know about Guantanamo, for him to say this last night is representative of a person I hope is never president.
Read up on Mormonism - even if one accepts that they have changed the basic tenets of their original church, when you listen to Romney, you will recognize that only what has been determined illegal in our laws has changed.
Secrecy and overreaching intrusion into personal lives has not changed.
God I hope so! You left out our intentions of eliminating liberals!
Comment by michael
Won’t happen, beyotch!!!! Now get back down on your knees and continue sucking neo-con d*ck!!! Hurry, faster!!!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 12:08 pmDebra & Michael-
Let us know when you’ve dragged your war-mongering arses down to the recruiting station and enlisted. That way you can help round up more the deserving detainees at Gitmo. Instead of running your inane mouths let’s see you put your booties on the line for your party. Talk is cheap - especially when is full of chicken dung.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:46 pmI propose sending all of Bush and Cheney’s cronies who are accused or have allegations against them of wrong doing sent to Gitmo so “they don’t get the access to lawyers they get when they’re on our soil.” This also would include Bush and Cheney when they are impeached for allegations of high crimes and misdemeanors. Gonzo too.
We would HAVE to double Gitmo if this were the case!
May 16th, 2007 at 12:46 pmJay Randal I have an idea , lets close Guantanamo and move the terrorist to your town , of course we would need an electrified fence around it . I wonder how long your infidel head would stay attached HA HA HA
May 16th, 2007 at 2:42 pmJay Randal you are a silly liberal little boy , I’ll wager that you could’nt kick the ass of a single female soldier from the war on terrorism ,
May 16th, 2007 at 2:45 pmHey Captain Shitforbrains , oops I mean CaptainVideo where does it say in the constitution that the enemy has constitutional rights , hell you do not support the constution or bill of rights anyway . after all your a liberal
May 16th, 2007 at 2:51 pmif you refuse to fight a war on the same level as your enemy you have lost the war before the first battle has begun . so may I suggest that you kill yourself and save the enemy the time and trouble by severing you head or have a friend help you : )
May 16th, 2007 at 2:56 pmKarim , thats a muslim name ? hmmmm
May 16th, 2007 at 2:58 pmIt is definitely scary to read the liberal worldviews (very scary) blogging here. Have you all forgotten 9/11? The American people who are against this war just don’t understand the nature of the enemy & insist on keeping the peace w/ extremists who wants nothing to do w/ them but to impose their way of life upon them. You enjoying your freedoms to blog here & to live in peace came at a price. Osama & many other Islamist terrorists proclaimed war on America & brought the fight here on American soil & are at this very moment planning your destruction. We are at war people.
After 9/11, both parties were united in going after the enemy. What happened? Mitt Romney is the most qualified candidate amongst the candidates running, democrate or republican that can carry this nation through another terrorist attack. He’ll even you pscho liberals should another 9/11 or worst occur.
Did you hear the latest news on all the jihadist training camps that have been found in New York & 30 other US cities? Yes US cities. Women in burkas & men out of prisons that have taken up w/ the Islamist cause to fight the fight against America & are training in American neighborhoods while America is sleeping. The FBI & CIA can’t touch them yet because they don’t have any tangible evidence yet of any criminal activities. According to neighbors, they are scared to death & live in fear of these Islamist training camps. Hey liberals, the enemy is real & have set up camp in your neighborhoods.
America needs an intelligent, commander in chief to carry us through the fight. I challenge any of these liberal bloggers to move to Iraq or Iran and live there a few months to enjoy their lifestyle which this country has afforded them & then come back & report!
As we continue w/ this war, let’s add another Guantanomo like Mitt suggested. Go Mitt! Go!
May 16th, 2007 at 4:10 pmqueenie123
so may I suggest that you kill yourself and save the enemy the time and trouble by severing you head or have a friend help you : )
Comment by radical1a
You first!!!!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 4:59 pmGitMo treatment and the Iraq war are not the quagmire. The Republican Party is a quagmire. A line of BS that keeps repeating, and a man who knows all of this has gone horribly wrong. He is biding his time until someone else takes office, like this dipsh*t, Romney, so he can be in front of the firing squad when the helicopters take off from our embassy in Iraq. By the way, connies, it is e-rock, not I-rack. You cannot get the post war reconstruction right, but at least you could pronounce the name of the country properly. If you have to vote Republican, vote for Ron Paul. Please, help save this country from the corporations, lobbyists, and so-called “wartime” presidents. Vote for a “peacetime” president. Listen to your young heart. God Bless America, and all of our enemies, too.
May 16th, 2007 at 5:25 pmSo sad to see candidates like this touted by the media as good choices for president. For any who weren’t watching the debate, 8 of the other 9 candidates made similar comments. They all thought we should pursue and add to the war on terrorism, that torture is acceptable, and so on… they all take the Bush Administration’s disastrous mistakes further.
I would give up on the Republican party entirely, if it weren’t for that 10th candidate: Ron Paul.
-voted against the war in Iraq (unlike any candidate except Kucinich)
-voted against the patriot act (also unlike most of the Dems)
-voted against regulating the internet
-has never voted to raise taxes
-wants to abolish Gitmo and HomeSec
-wants to take the troops out of Iraq ASAP
And it’s a bit embarrassing to admit it, but personally, the attempted media blackout around this candidate helped my opinion of him, too.
May 16th, 2007 at 6:37 pm#146 Comment by selena hunt — May 16, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
Wow, what rambling! Incredibly naive viewpoint too. Just amazing. And YOU find the ‘liberal’ blogs scary? Did you read your own argument back after posting it? Now THAT is scary!!
May 16th, 2007 at 6:56 pmZING BURGER!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 7:16 pmI am a sound engineer, and that applause is canned.
May 16th, 2007 at 7:39 pmHilarious! the lengths these guys go to.
The thought of the atrocities that happened there and what evil a human being is capable of inflicting to another that represents Guantanamo makes me sick to my soul. When will respect for one another be the core guiding principle of a person? It comes down to they hurt us, so we hurt them, and they hurt us, or we hurt them, they hurt us, we hurt them, whichever the case, when will it stop? All these deaths are pointless to fund the military complex and need for oil/power on a national, but more importantly global scale. This radical right wing agenda confirms that. They commit atrocities by day, then go home, kiss their husband/wife and talk the religious game about abortion, meanwhile how many lives that day were slaughtered,men, women, and children by the signing of their pen, the push of their issues on military progression, the starvation of many people through any war that they say is necessary to prevent it from coming here, though they would never come here if you properly prevented the planes from hitting the WTC through the radar system well in place from the Soviet Cold War times. They would have never been allowed to get in the cockpits to commandeer any planes if you would securely lock the door, and if you did not (FAA) rescind the rule allowing guns in cockpits just before terror attacks armed pilots could have prevented them from getting into an insecure cockpit door. The right wing facists talk fiscal responsibility but our countries in record debt, deficit, poverty at an all time high, and the economy is only high because the value of your dollar is at records low across the world, no traveling for you, not that you had money to begin with, then again the devaluation of your dollar and declining purchasing power of your dollar is a very high tax passed by the right wing fascist republicans. I’m surprised the 24% of republicans still supporting Bush don’t Nazi salute him and goosestep around like the mindless brainwashed drones they are promoting the war. Please, all war is wrong. Military should be at most for defense and at best none at all, like the government. Unlike these radical republicans who spend with no accountability.
May 16th, 2007 at 7:40 pmparaphrasing Ben Franklin: Better to keep one’s mouth closed and be thought of as a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.
May 16th, 2007 at 7:51 pmFacilities like Guantanamo that have ignored human rights and that have tortured and/or killed “suspected terrorists” have made our nation LESS secure. We have seen this in the past with detention camps such as Auschwitz.
“Shock and Awe” was the first thing that went wrong with getting the common Iraqi citizen on our side. Dropping bombs all over Iraq kills many more innocent civilians than they do real terrorists. Many if not most Iraqi citizens were horrified when 9/11 happened and they were supporting us. But after we bombed the hell out of their city killing many of their innocent sons and daughters, children and students (including female students, btw), they now hate us. If anyone ever asks you “Why do the Iraqis hate Americans?”, this is one of the reasons why. If we did that crap to China or Russia there would sure to be hell to pay.
May 16th, 2007 at 8:19 pmHahahaha. We’re so off to Hell in a handbasket.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:19 amLooking back to all the great empires in history, and they have usually got a lot further, achieved a lot more and lasted longer before they crumbled into the sea.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:32 amIt is interesting the glimpse we got at the candidates in this debate…we learned a little more about them all (and their characters), things not as o