Comey’s Revelations Suggest Either Gonzales Is Lying Or More Spying Programs Exist
Comey’s Revelations Suggest Either Gonzales Is Lying Or More Spying Programs Exist
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales faces new legal problems after yesterday’s testimony of former Deputy Attorney General James Comey.
In a 2006 hearing, when Sen. Chuck Schumer asked him about Comey’s objections to the NSA wiretapping program, Gonzales denied there was any “serious disagreement about the program“:
GONZALES: Senator, here is a response that I feel that I can give with respect to recent speculation or stories about disagreements. There has not been any serious disagreement, including — and I think this is accurate — there has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed. There have been disagreements about other matters regarding operations, which I cannot get into. I will also say –
SCHUMER: But there was some — I am sorry to cut you off, but there was some dissent within the administration, and Jim Comey did express at some point — that is all I asked you — some reservations.
GONZALES: The point I want to make is that, to my knowledge, none of the reservations dealt with the program that we are talking about today.
Gonzales’ answer suggests two possibilities.
1) Comey’s objections apply to the NSA warrantless wiretapping program that Gonzales was discussing. If so, then Gonzales quite likely made serious mis-statements under oath. And Gonzales was deeply and personally involved in the meeting at Ashcroft’s hospital bed, so he won’t be able to claim “I forgot.”
2) Perhaps Comey’s objections applied to a different domestic spying program. That has a big advantage for Gonzales — he wasn’t lying under oath. But then we would have senior Justice officials confirming that other “programs” exist for domestic spying, something the Administration has never previously stated.
During an interview I gave to PBS’s Frontline for a new documentary entitled Spying On the Home Front, I said, “there could be lots of room after you read [Gonzales’] testimony for other programs to be doing really unprecedented things.” Watch it:
You can watch the entire Frontline documentary here.
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Or, Gonzales is telling the truth and the President is doing nothing else wartime Presidents have done.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:36 amI think we’re looking at the first President in history to be indicted and sent to prison once his term has ended.
Impeachment raises the specter of another Ford-Nixon pardon, which is unacceptable.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:36 amBush could always pardon himself.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:38 amJake,
For once I agree, This President is doing nothing else any other wartime President has done.
Go take a nap old man.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:42 amPardon me?
May 16th, 2007 at 10:46 amJake is a dumbass Repuke troll and Rocks911 is just a dumbass.
Chimpy is not a wartime president. The US is not officially at war and Chimpy does NOT have wartime powers.
Chimpy’s warrantless wiretaps were ILLEGAL. Even Asscroft said so.
But Chimpy and Gonzo were willing to ignore the Justice Department and go ahead with their lawbreaking.
You Repukes are all crooks and scumbags.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:46 amyesterday’s revelations by comey seem to have forced the wapo to rouse from its deep slumber and smell the coffee…
of course, in another op-ed, it continues to almost-but-not-quite continue to defend wolfowitz…
anyhoo, what comey had to say is some of the most disturbing stuff i’ve heard in quite a while, not because it’s all that suprising, but because it demos just how aware the bush cabal was and is about acting illegally and how ruthlessly they were going about it…
i have zero doubt that there is a TON more yet to be uncovered, most of which will make comey’s disclosures pale by comparison…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
May 16th, 2007 at 10:47 amPeter, from one American to another, I think you ought to be commended for your appearance on last night’s Frontline. Your careful scrutiny of Gonzales’ testimony was by far the most devastating in a series of increasingly troubling revelations. I hope other viewers also took note, and that your remarks will be the catalyst for some serious changes at the Justice department.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:47 am“…and the President is doing nothing else wartime Presidents have done.”
May 16th, 2007 at 10:48 amThat’s exactly what we keep trying to tell you, jake
If Gonzo is doing other illegal spying, we need to get the facts.
I wouldn’t put it past these Repukes. They probably have all the Democrats’ offices on the Hill bugged and know when Waxman farts.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:48 amExactly #1. Don’t let the queers and their rediculous incorrect logic rape you like the sick bastards want you to.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:49 amAgain, a nicely parsed statement.
There was no serious disagreement - - because the White House knew that it would go around DOJ if it couldn’t get its way.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:50 amLOL hayzeus!! Good one.
Looks like Jake’s Freudian slip is showing.
It IS true, Chimpy is doing what no previous President - wartime or not - has ever done.
Chimpy is trying to dismantle our entire legal system and replace it with a partisan one that covers up Repuke crimes and persecutes Dems with phony voter fraud allegations to suppress Democrat votes.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:50 amTom3,
Obviously English usage is not your strong suit. Dumbass.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:50 am2) Perhaps Comey’s objections applied to a different domestic spying program. That has a big advantage for Gonzales — he wasn’t lying under oath. But then we would have senior Justice officials confirming that other “programs†exist for domestic spying, something the Administration has never previously stated.
by thinkprogress.org
yes because the left loves telling our enemies what weapons we use against them.
everyone with an IQ over 100 knows that many on the left would love to see America defeated and humiliated around the world.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:54 am“Scott J, J Scott” is trying to pass his 7th grade English class this week, please bear with his poor spelling, bad grammar, and identity issues.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:58 amFrontline is an amazing program that should be required viewing for every american.
That show last night made me really paranoid especially the segment on the NSA guy who built a room at AT&T that only the NSA guy could go in and when someone caught glimpse of his hardware setup they thought “ohhhhh… so he’s spying on our entire stream of data…”
Great.
I’m answering my phone from now on “Hello, George Bush is a dick”
May 16th, 2007 at 11:00 amre #15
and everyone knows that the right hates our freedoms more than bin laden does. If you want live in a religofacist state VH, go to Iran or Saudia Arabia. Leave all us freedom loving patriots alone. please.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:03 amSo Valiantthehater sez -
“everyone with an IQ over 100 knows that many on the left would love to see America defeated and humiliated around the world.”
Apparently quite a few w/ IQs under 100 would also love to see America defeated (such broad, general terms - “America defeated” - almost impossible to define or debate…) and humiliated around the world, which explains the 28% who still support Bush, no matter how incompetent, corrupt, and delusional he turns out to be.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:05 amHey Jake the Fake why are your posts so ignorant and stupid, do you take Stupid Troll pills in the morning? I think you are overdosing on the Stupid Pills, only Valiant Douche Bag is as stupid as you, oh !!! I forgot Valiant Douche Bag takes those pills too.
FY Jake the Fake
May 16th, 2007 at 11:08 amJake’s clutch phrase is “wartime president”. And it ain’t gonna save the Bush administration.
Bush knows how to data mine and spy on Americans. He does not know how to catch terrorists. It’s gonna get real bad for you and your kind, Jake.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:09 ameveryone with an IQ over 100 knows
comment by ValiantthePLAGIARIST
That certainly couldn’t include you, VilePlagiarist.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:10 amjake, Vh et al,
how many terrists have bush & co caught by breaking the law? zero. They can’t even catch the anthrax terrist. Maybe they don’t want to because that one isn’t a furriner, it’s a fellow rightwinger.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:12 amOh Comey is about to become the next John Dean.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:18 amYou are on to something here.
I came to suspect a different program when analysing what Comey said and how much FBI Mueller was involved.
Conclusion: This program must have to do something with the FBI.
More at my place: Why Was FBI Director Mueller Involved?
May 16th, 2007 at 11:20 amI wouldn’t put it past these Repukes. They probably have all the Democrats’ offices on the Hill bugged and know when Waxman farts.
Comment by Tom3 — May 16, 2007 @ 10:48 am
And it appears they get an advanced notice of all questions to be asked of Gonzo so he can practice not answering when he appears before Congress.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:21 amSo Valiantthehater sez -
“everyone with an IQ over 100 knows that many on the left would love to see America defeated and humiliated around the world.â€
Apparently quite a few w/ IQs under 100 would also love to see America defeated (such broad, general terms - “America defeated†- almost impossible to define or debate…) and humiliated around the world, which explains the 28% who still support Bush, no matter how incompetent, corrupt, and delusional he turns out to be.
Comment by the republic of stupidity — May 16, 2007 @ 11:05 am
how about the 29% that still support the Democratic Led Congress? incredilbe that in less than 6 months the Democratic Led Congress is as unpopular, according to silly little polls, as our President. No matter how incompetent, corrupt and delusional this Democratic led congress turns out to be.
stupid, stupid, stupid little Liberal. so easy to play with the mind of the simpleton Liberals.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:22 amPLEASE IGNORE THE ASININE TROLLS!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 11:24 amGonzo is lying.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:26 amEFF’s Class-Action Lawsuit Against AT&T for Collaboration with Illegal Domestic Spying Program
The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) filed a class-action lawsuit against AT&T on January 31, 2006, accusing the telecom giant of violating the law and the privacy of its customers by collaborating with the National Security Agency (NSA) in its massive, illegal program to wiretap and data-mine Americans’ communications. On July 20, 2006, a federal judge denied the government’s and AT&T’s motions to dismiss the case, allowing the lawsuit to go forward.
The EFF lawsuit arose from news reports in December 2005, which first revealed that the NSA has been intercepting Americans’ phone calls and Internet communications without any court oversight and in violation of the privacy safeguards established by Congress and the U.S. Constitution. This surveillance program, purportedly authorized by the President at least as early as 2001, apparently intercepts and analyzes the phone and Internet communications of millions of ordinary Americans.
http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/
EFF Files Evidence in Motion to Stop AT&T’s Dragnet Surveillance
Internal AT&T Documents Had Been Temporarily Held Back Due To Government’s Concerns
San Francisco - The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) on Wednesday filed the legal briefs and evidence supporting its motion for a preliminary injunction in its class-action lawsuit against AT&T. After asking EFF to hold back the documents so that it could review them, the Department of Justice consented to EFF’s filing them under seal — a well-established procedure that prohibits public access and permits only the judge and the litigants to see the evidence. While not a party to the case, the government was concerned that even this procedure would not provide sufficient security and has represented to the Court that it is “presently considering whether and, if so, how it will participate in this case.”
“The evidence that we are filing supports our claim that AT&T is diverting Internet traffic into the hands of the NSA wholesale, in violation of federal wiretapping laws and the Fourth Amendment,” said EFF Staff Attorney Kevin Bankston. “More than just threatening individuals’ privacy, AT&T’s apparent choice to give the government secret, direct access to millions of ordinary Americans’ Internet communications is a threat to the Constitution itself. We are asking the Court to put a stop to it now.”
EFF’s evidence regarding AT&T’s dragnet surveillance of its networks includes a declaration by Mark Klein, a retired AT&T telecommunications technician, and several internal AT&T documents. This evidence was bolstered and explained by the expert opinion of J. Scott Marcus, who served as Senior Advisor for Internet Technology to the Federal Communications Commission from July 2001 until July 2005.
The internal AT&T documents and portions of the supporting declarations have been submitted to the Court under a tentative seal, a procedure that allows AT&T five court days to explain to the Court why the information should be kept from the public.
“The public deserves to know about AT&T’s illegal program,” said EFF Legal Director Cindy Cohn. “In an abundance of caution, we are providing AT&T with an opportunity to explain itself before this material goes on the public docket, but we believe that justice will ultimately require full disclosure.”
http://www.eff.org/ news/ archives/ 2006_04.php#004538
May 16th, 2007 at 11:26 amViletheater, congress could up their approval ratings if they initiated impeachment hearings against Bush, Cheney and Gonzo.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:27 amI think Gonzo was being quite clever, maybe a little too clever. There were serious disagreements with the program as it existed before Bush intervened at the time that Ashcroft was hospitalized. However, the program was modified, according to Comey so the program NOW is different from the program then!
May 16th, 2007 at 11:27 amThe devil’s in the details and, in this case, the timing. Comey et al object to the program, race to the hospital, DOJ refuses to bless the program, program operates clearly extra-legally without DOJ approval for three-or-so weeks, threatened resignations, program is then “fixed”, and DOJ then signs on — all in 2004. Thus, “the program that we are talking about today” in 2006 was clearly, in Gonzo’s mind, the post-dust-up, everybody agrees with “fixed” program that resulted.
Now, don’t get me wrong, I believe Gonzo’s a lying sack of poo who could improve the state of our government only by leaving it, but I don’t think this one’s got even a hint of traction. He may do a shockingly compelling an impersonation of a room temperature IQ, but Gonzo’s no dummie.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:28 amI thought we always knew that Gonzo was obfuscating on this point. Of course there’s more spying going on….everything is tracked by frequent flyer programs, affinity cards and those preferred buyer cards for every store know to Americans. I don’t doubt I’m on a terrorist watch group because I always ask for an aisle seat when I’m flying, order vegetarian pizza, and buy political books at Border’s. During the election they called it “micro-targetting” but the implications go far beyond who I might vote for.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:31 amWHY can’t the Congress just IMPEACH this fool Gonzo????
It’s time….
May 16th, 2007 at 11:33 amMaybe it would be helpful to have Ashcroft testify. That would be interesting.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:33 amIt is unlikely that this is the NSA program.
This must be an FBI program because FBI Director Mueller is so very deeply involved here.
That was my observation early this morning:
Why Was FBI Director Mueller Involved?
May 16th, 2007 at 11:47 amValiantthehater,
“how about the 29% that still support the Democratic Led Congress? incredilbe that in less than 6 months the Democratic Led Congress is as unpopular, according to silly little polls, as our President. No matter how incompetent, corrupt and delusional this Democratic led congress turns out to be. ”
It is interesting isn’t it. THat the poll numbers seem to match up all over. 70% of Americans want the war ended, and neither the Republicans in Congress, nor the one in the oval office will end it. So their poll numbers almost match. Wierd.
I wonder what would happen to those numbers if the Republicans would actually get on board with the will of the American people on this issue. There’s a novel idea.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:49 amGonzo is a lying liar serving at the pleasure of the Decider. There is no doubt that there are other ‘programs’.
In the United States of America, I cannot believe that we are having a discussion about ‘programs’ that monitor citizens. But we are. Fascism has arrived in the guise of ‘keeping us safe.’
Admiral Poindexter’s Total Information Awareness is alive and well. The spate of personal data being ‘lost’ in recent years is NO accident. Check out this site and just look at the number of losses in May 07 alone!:
http://attrition.org/dataloss/
May 16th, 2007 at 11:50 amhe’s a politician, isn’t he? of COURSE he’s lying!
it’s the nature of the beast - politics and dishonesty have gone hand in hand since the beginning of time.
We need to keep reminding ourselves of this - and start having a strong distrust of people in government because they’re in government….
Some further reading:
“Politicians Lie? Say it Ain’t So!”
May 16th, 2007 at 12:01 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/ politicians_lie___say_it_ain_t_so
All roads of the current administrations corruptions lead to http://www.iviewit.tv. There you will find how and why elections were won through fraud, how justice and the courts were siezed and how the fox got in the henhouse to ruin America. All of these justice problems center around covering up the theft of trillion dollar technologies by law firms Proskauer Rose and Foley and Lardner (Michael Grebe former Chairman of Foley and Chief Counsel of Republican National Committee) from their client Iviewit. Further, once caught committing fraud on the United States Patent Office they needed to block due process top down, so Grebe fronted Bush and made sure he would win with a little election fraud to insure victory.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:03 pmThey quickly planted people to block complaints in civil courts, supreme courts, bar associations and other justice related departments. In fact, recently the FBI claims to have lost a five year investigation file and stated the US Attorney may have declined the case, although they have no record of the case and stated the FBI agent handling the case retired and with it the case retired. Also missing is the investigation of who blew up the main inventors car (blowing up three cars next to it, images at iviewit homepage) and this would be covering up attempted murder to boot. This may quickly move to what exactly Alberto Gonzales is hiding, what was crossed out on the missing RNC back channel servers that violated the Hatch Act, etc.
Find out more at Iviewit and check out http://iviewit.tv/CompanyDocs/Book/index.htm
Comey’s Revelations Suggest Either Gonzales Is Lying Or More Spying Programs Exist
I don’t think that’s an exclusive or.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:23 pmkEEP UP THE SPYING PROGRAM!
You MUST read the following:
http://pajamasmedia.com/2007/05/the_silencing.php
May 16th, 2007 at 12:36 pmRocks911 -
That was a hilarious exchange. I laughed a little. I will give Tom a break though. Occasionally, I read through these posts too quickly.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:45 pmMaybe it would be helpful to have Ashcroft testify. That would be interesting.
Comment by Shane — May 16, 2007 @ 11:33 am
And Mrs Ashcroft.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:58 pm‘Either’? Both!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:09 pm…..and that is suppose to be breaking news. anyone that knows a ounce of language usage and listened to his stupid asss knows that there is illegal shit going on all the time with is ramped up bs programs. come on….. uhhh, uhhhh, ummm, silence, ummm uhhh, busted b!tch
May 16th, 2007 at 1:14 pmthats it… this administration has won, just when i thought things couldnt get worse, they have. now i seriously believe that they had something to do with 9/11
May 16th, 2007 at 1:41 pmOr he’s parsing his words in usual lawyerly fashion. Comey testified that the program was modified after he and Ashcroft objected to it. Gonzales, that fat weasel, is saying that there was no serious disagreement about the program “we are talking about today” in its current incarnation. You know, the one that came out of the disagreement about the program in its last incarnation that the senator was clearly asking about.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:43 pmPeter,
Don’t mean to be rude or flippant [here it comes], but this issue of “other programs” has been well discussed since Gonzalez gave his Feb 2006 testimony before the Senate Judiciary. I’m grateful you’re talking about the “other programs,” but this isn’t news.
It would be helpful if you summarized the information — from the Gonzalez hearing in 2006 before the Senate — indicating that there were multiple “programs”; and how these “other things” have or have not undermined the Constitution; and whether the Congress has any plans to protect the Constitution.
Again, if Congress is going to do nothing, I would like to hear some discussion from you and others: What are the lawful options of the states to enforce the Constrution; and can Members of Congress be prosecuted for failing to use impeachment to enforce the Supreme Law, prevent war crimes?
War crimes issues in re NSA surveillance: How illegallly captured information was used to abuse prisoners of war. Comey’s revelations suggest that the WHite House counsel well knew of the illegalities; but have pretended taht rendition and prisoner abuse is “not discussable.” Comey indicates that there are DOJ Memoranda contradicting statemetns by formely assigned White House counsel; and that formely assigned White House and legal counsel appear to have made inconsistent statements — first arguing that the activity was illegal in memoranda; then pubicly asserting outside court that the activity could not be discussed; then asserting that the program is lawful. These statements, their inconsitencies, and their attachment to the issues COmey said are well documented raise issues of attorney professionalism, ethics, and disbarment.
Please consider reviewing the Comey revelations in light of inconstent statements by formely assigned counsel; and whether counsel assigned to the White House and DOJ have engaged in conduct that amounts to illegalities, misleading statements, or ethics violations of the attorney standards of conduct. Things do not appear to be adding up. If there have been misprepresntations by formely assigned White House counsel, then the issue turns to: Who has a legal duty to report that misconduct to their attorney disciplianry board? Answer: Legal counsel who are aware of the details. How convenient they appare to have had a meeting after 2001 to pretend there is a gag order on the supposed “things we can’t talk about” — the very things Comey well discussed.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:48 pmWhat changed? Domestic spying program had been going for about two years already. It seems like Ashcroft and Cromey had not objected for the first two years of the program. Had they been signing of on approvals previously? Certainly had not been threatening to resign over it previously. So what changed?
May 16th, 2007 at 2:45 pm#46
good, because they did with the likes of israel the zionists. this is so obviouds anymore with the heaps, mounds, mountains of evidence and there is going to be a volcano errupting in dc. the question is will we the people see this through to the end and take back our government that we the people control and finance. and go after the REAL criminals(zionists/israel) and don’t forget the ones occupying our white house and don’t forget the irs, and don’t forget the federal reserve act of 1913, the patriot act, military commisions act.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:53 pmThe CNN story I read said that Comey said Bush directed the DOJ to modify the program after their objections were raised, a couple days (IIRC) after it was approved. If that happened, then it seems to me Gonzales could be talking about the program as modified — which he sees different enough to consider a different program — which, as Comey seems to agree, did not have any serious objections.
May 16th, 2007 at 4:02 pmOf course it could be both. It’s not really an either-or choice. Gonzales was lying under oath AND there have been, and are now, an indeterminate number of nominally “different” domestic spying programs started since 9/11.
Also, what counts as a separate or distinct “program” anyway? What would that word mean, from one minute to the next, to Gonzales?
And, it should go without saying, Gonzales most certainly can claim “I forgot!” whenever he feels like it. Who cares whether anyone believes him? Who cares whether he’s under oath again when he says it? It’s never failed him so far, has it?
I’m recalling the scene in The Princess Bride:
Westley: Give us the gate key.
Yellin: I have no gate key.
Inigo Montoya: Fezzik, tear his arms off.
Yellin: Oh, you mean *this* gate key.
While I’d pay money to see Gonzales telling Congress, “Oh, you mean *that* program,” I have no idea who’s going to threaten to tear his arms off before he says it. Leahy?
May 16th, 2007 at 5:14 pmCould this be even more sinister than illegal wiretapping, like murder or assassination or wholesale vote rigging? Comey’s demeanor during testimony suggests something truly creepy was afoot.
May 16th, 2007 at 7:54 pmI agree with others above: Gonzo is parsing his words very carefully to avoid perjury. “The program that the president has confirmed” was the one he got Comey et al to sign on to after the lamentable scene at Ashcroft’s bedside. While there may well have been other programs we don’t know about it, this is not evidence for it.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:26 pm2) Perhaps Comey’s objections applied to a different domestic spying program. That has a big advantage for Gonzales — he wasn’t lying under oath. But then we would have senior Justice officials confirming that other “programs†exist for domestic spying, something the Administration has never previously stated.
by thinkprogress.org
yes because the left loves telling our enemies what weapons we use against them.
everyone with an IQ over 100 knows that many on the left would love to see America defeated and humiliated around the world.
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 10:54 am
You mean, of course, that were Bushit, et al., to comply with the rule of law, the result would be the defeat and humiliation of the US?
How would Bush’s complying with his oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and laws be a defeat for the rule of law? How would obeying the rule of law be humiliating?
Come on, tell us, Mr. “Patriot” Legal Scholar: How is compliance with the rule of law a defeat and humilation to anyhone who isn’t a criminal?
May 17th, 2007 at 11:15 amMueller was Director of the FBI, not of the NSA. Why would Meuller threaten to resign over an illegal program over which he had no authority or responsibility, and of which may not have had knowledge?
Wake up, people: the program in question was not that at the NSA. It was at the FBI.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:17 amJake and Rocks911 are examples of the American
educational system. It’s hard to think when you
don’t know how!
May 17th, 2007 at 12:42 pmI totally agree with what HAZ said, #30 at 11:27:
Please visit the Schapira blog, “What we know so far …”
“… and tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!”
May 17th, 2007 at 5:04 pmHow many program there were depends on how you label the activities. But there were an extensive range of intrusive domestic activities including burglary programs, toxin ingestion programs, obstruction of justice programs, and much more
May 17th, 2007 at 11:01 pm“everyone with an IQ over 100 knows that many on the left would love to see America defeated and humiliated around the world.
“Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 10:54 am”
Get it through your delusions: Bushit isn’t “on the left”
May 27th, 2007 at 3:16 pmIt couldn’t be more obvious: While 99 per cent of the media and commenters have unquestioningly assumed that the program in question is the NSA’s, among those who threatened to resign was FBI Director Mueller.
Why would the FBI Director threaten to resign over a program _outside_ the FBI?
Would he even know of a prgroam at NSA?
That’s isn’t addressed by the notion that once the NSA program was changed, it was then a “different” — impliedly separate — program.
May 27th, 2007 at 3:21 pmI think we’re seeing the tip of the iceberg. Hats off to everyone doing the brutal work of trying to uncover the rest of the illegal activity. My hunch is that there’s a lot of it.
The Bush Administration’s ability to keep things secret, destroy files, and move ethical people out of positions of authority and replace them with people who have no ethics, is all that’s keeping them afloat.
The hand of Rove is everywhere, one step away from being caught at any given time.
The problem is scerecy. We need to scale back what is allowed to be classified. We need to prosecute people for destroying evidence in cases where it is mysteriously “lost”.
These people get off the hook regularly with word craft.”I didn’t EXACTLY say that” is the defense of the day.
What a load horsecrap.
May 27th, 2007 at 5:27 pmI think you are on to something, i.e., FBI surveillance of US citizens … is SOP.
http://www.freedomfchs.com/unwarranted_surveillance.pdf
http://www.freedomfchs.com
June 11th, 2007 at 8:42 am