ThinkFast: May 16, 2007
ThinkFast: May 16, 2007
“Households are spending about $1,000 more per year for gasoline than they were just five years ago, an 85 percent increase” according to consumer groups’ analysis prepared for the House Judiciary Committee. “In the past five years the oil industry has picked consumers pockets for 200 billion in excess profits,” said the Consumer Federation of America.
“Nearly two dozen officials who received hefty performance bonuses last year at the Veterans Affairs Department sat on the boards charged with recommending the payments.”
“Navy veteran David Miller said that when he checked into the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Iowa City, he didn’t realize he would get a hard sell for Christian fundamentalism along with treatment for his kidney stones.” Miller, an Orthodox Jew, “said he was repeatedly proselytized by hospital chaplains and staff in attempts to convert him to Christianity during three hospitalizations over the past two years.”
“Two federal appeals court judges appeared to support giving detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, access to all the evidence against them when challenging their designation as enemy combatants. The Bush administration proposes to limit detainees’ lawyers to the evidence presented to the U.S. military tribunal that made the determination.”
92 percent: Proportion of the world’s opium that Afghanistan now produces. Bush administration officials acknowledge that until recently, “fighting drugs was considered a distraction from fighting terrorists.” The problem has become so severe that American officials now “hope that Afghanistan’s drug problem will someday be only as bad as that of Colombia.”
“For the first time,” the Senate is expected to vote today on measure sponsored by Sen. John Warner (R-VA) “that would force President Bush to report to Congress how he intends to revise U.S. strategy if the Iraqi government fails to meet certain benchmarks.”
“Warm temperatures melted an area of western Antarctica that adds up to the size of California in January 2005, scientists report,” noting “clear signs that melting had occurred in multiple distinct regions, including far inland and at high latitudes and elevations, where melt had been considered unlikely.”
41: Number of Iraqis killed in violence yesterday. At least 125 people were wounded.
“A Texas businessman listed as a major fundraiser for President George Bush has made millions of dollars in profits from a federal reading program that critics say favored administration cronies at the expense of schoolchildren.”
And finally: Do people love Vice President Cheney more than they love President Bush? In 2006, Cheney received at least 15 presents totaling $21,674, many reflecting his “love of outdoor pursuits.” Bush received at least 20 gifts worth just $12,364. Gifts for Bush included “two wooden benches” and “jackets.” At Christmas, Bush gave Cheney “$667 worth of instruments to measure temperature, barometric pressure and tides.”
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“Excess profits” for shareholders, right? Supply and demand, people, read about it. I also agree with Mitt Romney that we should double Gitmo. And, military chaplins have the same exact First Amendment freedom of religion rights as patients. There is no right to freedom FROM religion. Unfortunately, during the war on terrorism, drug enforcement and the rest of the topics are taking a back seat in terms of priorities.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:05 am“NASA’s QuikScat satellite detected snowmelt by radar pulses that bounce off of ice that formed when snowmelt refroze (just as ice cream turns to ice when it is refrozen after being left out on the counter too long.)”
Ewwww that means Antarctica’s going to taste all chalky and gritty now. Gross! Thanks a lot, anthropognic radiative forcing!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 9:06 amThe main objective of the Bush ‘presidency” has been met. Profits for oil companies are staggeringly high. We can all go home now.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:07 amEh. I spent two weeks driving in the UK. Gas in the US is still dirt cheap by comparison. Try spending £1 per liter (figuring roughly £=$2).
May 16th, 2007 at 9:07 am“Households are spending about $1,000 more per year for gasoline than they were just five years ago, an 85 percent increaseâ€
Suckers, buy a bike. My costs are down 100% since last year.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:08 am“At Christmas, Bush gave Cheney “$667 worth of instruments to measure temperature, barometric pressure and tides.â€
Bush shouldn’t given Cheney “The Field Guide to Differentiating Between Your Hunting Buddy and a Small Bird.”
May 16th, 2007 at 9:08 amProportion of the world’s opium that Afghanistan now produces. Bush administration officials acknowledge that until recently, “fighting drugs was considered a distraction from fighting terrorists.â€
May 16th, 2007 at 9:10 amRepublicans want to “double Gitmo” because it allows them to imprison people without charge and try them without evidence. In other words, WHEN THE TRUTH MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT, LOCK OUT THE TRUTHTELLERS.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:10 am“There is no right to freedom FROM religion.”
Unfortunately, there’s also no Constitutional right of freedom from stupidity, or you’d be in big trouble, Jake.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:10 am“said he was repeatedly proselytized by hospital chaplains and staff in attempts to convert him to Christianity during three hospitalizations over the past two years.â€
Stop getting sick, problem solved.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:12 am“fighting drugs was considered a distraction from fighting terrorists.â€
Typical short-sighted thinking from Bush. His pea brain can’t wrap itself around the fact that the profits from drugs is probably what is funding the Taliban.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:12 amWATCH OUT! Don’t step in it! This thread has been Jaked on.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:17 amSo Chimpy can give Darth a Christmas gift worth almost $700, but I can barely afford to take my mother out to lunch on Mother’s Day?
Nice one, Chimpy, thanks for 6 years in Hell.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:17 amStop getting sick, problem solved.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 16, 2007 @ 9:12 am
Trolls think they are clever when they make remarks like this. Obviously they don’t understand that this sort of thing sounds stupid and mean to most Americans.
Keep it up, trolls. The 28% bottom feeders like it. See you in 2008.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:18 am#
And, military chaplins have the same exact First Amendment freedom of religion rights as patients. There is no right to freedom FROM religion.
Comment by Jake — May 16, 2007 @ 9:05 am
Wrong Jake. There certainly IS a right to freedom FROM religion as well.
“Freedom of religion is a guarantee by a government for freedom of belief for individuals and freedom of worship for individuals and groups. It is generally recognized to also include the freedom not to follow any religion (irreligion) and not to believe in any god (atheism or agnosticism). Religious toleration is the condition of accepting or permitting others’ religious beliefs and practices which disagree with one’s own. Freedom of religion is considered by many in Western nations to be a fundamental human right.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion
May 16th, 2007 at 9:18 amSupply and demand has nothing to do with it. Look at the price consumers pay at the pump over the course of this administration, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck…
Deregulation of oil futures trading by the Republic666an controlled presidency and House have resulted in manipulation of the market.
Republic666ans raping the American dream one day at a time
May 16th, 2007 at 9:22 amWhat I don’t get is how anyone can say we live in a free market. Hahahaha
May 16th, 2007 at 9:22 amToo funny. Free market and capitalistic society are pretty words to ensure free rein on our fascist dictatorship. Anyone who says differently is a practicing doublespeaker. Someday they too will wonder how their life was flushed down the toilet for the benefit of the few of the class elites.
Jake what you in your lawyerly wisdom have missed is the point…that being the chaplains etc… are government employee’s on the government dime pushing religion in a government facility to other government employees. See the problem yet? I seriously doubt it.
While the it may be true that the price of Gas in the US is still relatively lower than in other countries the problem lays in the fact that the price of gas, which everyone uses is rising much faster than inflation and is hitting the user. When I go from paying $200 a month for gas to paying $400 in the span of a few months, there is a problem. SO how do we solve the problem? Build bigger more gas guzzling cars of course. Get those for tough trucks.
Also supply and demand is not the issue Jake and you know it. According to what I have read, and let me preface that by saying that I work for a company attempting to break into the energy field in a big way, according to what I have read, the oil industry margin on refining are huge right now. Previously they were in the $.20 per gallon range and are now in the $.80 – $.90 per gallon range. I understand that firms should be rewarded for increasing efficiencies, however this is extreme and it is amazing that all the major refiners discovered these new efficiencies at the same time.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:23 amStop getting sick, problem solved.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 16, 2007 @ 9:12 am
Stop being stupid, problem solved!
May 16th, 2007 at 9:24 amHere is why the price is going UP and also is why we are in Iraq…
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2470
The Party is OVER!
May 16th, 2007 at 9:24 amre#11 Kate Henry
Did you know that when the Taliban were in charge they were against growing opium, and threatened farmers with death if they grew it?
I am no fan of the Taliban, but they cannot be blamed for the opium problem.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:24 am#15 — In the previous thread, Jake invented another bizarre constitutional theory, in which the previous President is somehow added to the chain of succession should the newly elected President, Vice-President, Speaker of the House, and about 30 others be “tragically” killed. Or maybe it was just POTUS and the VP. I don’t really know where Jake wanted to insert Bush into the chain. Curiously, though, Jake suggested this all might somehow happen before January 20, 2009!
May 16th, 2007 at 9:24 amWow, another victory for the war on drugs within the war of terror!
May 16th, 2007 at 9:27 amCan-O-Whoop-Ass
Stop being stupid, problem solved!
Touche Sir.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:28 amAt Christmas, Bush gave Cheney “$667 worth of instruments to measure temperature, barometric pressure and tides.â€
Along with a heart monitor, anti-clotting pills, blood pressure wrap, bottles of Lipitor, some big bullets, new glasses and a signed copy of his new book. (Scratch the book. That’s not due until Bush can find someone to write it.)
May 16th, 2007 at 9:28 amAhh, but we all got tax cuts, that we can then use to pay for this higher gas. Or can we?
Ok, well, so those already making over $1 million/year received enough in tax cuts to pay for the higher gas.
Source:http://www.pkarchive.org/economy/TaxCutCon.html
There’s a lot more analysis in the link.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:29 amSpeaking of gasoline, the ethanol usage has been a negative, I believe. It hasn’t helped gas prices, and it’s driving up the cost of some vital foods – meat, chicken, etc. It’s been a real strain on farmers.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:30 am#26 link to your steel ass?
May 16th, 2007 at 9:32 amThere’s a simple solution for high gas prices. Cease filling up your gas tank when it’s not needed. Also, learn to walk more/use public transportation. I’ve visited many countries, and most of them use other resources to commute vs. constantly driving their automobile. Also, Americans need the exercise, we’re rated within the top five list as one of the most obese countries in the world. The more you conveniently fill your take, oil companies will believe that we can handle the price and, furthermore, increase the price of gasoline. Lastly, we must create and use energy alternatives.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:33 amIf they were attempting to persuade veteran Miller to convert to Islam, I’m not sure if TP would be running this story. You have to go the whole way if you’re for advocating “freedom from religion.”
May 16th, 2007 at 9:35 am#11 and #21…
May 16th, 2007 at 9:35 amCorrect in the past history regarding the Taleban having nearly eliminating significant poppy production in Afghanistan.
Current situation seems to indicate that for the sake of rebuilding their power, control, and rearmament, the Taleban is now using the poppy trade, and encouraging it.
The Taleban objection to opium, was to its use by Afghani muslims.
If it is being produced, and sent to be used by the infidels, so much the better…
Daryll,
May 16th, 2007 at 9:37 amcheck the settings on your Gay-Thread-O-Meter,
it seems to be malfunctioning.
I’m going to break my golden rule…
Please do not respond to Jake or anything he says. He is the worst type of troll. He is not trying to disrupt the threads, he is just too stupid to realize that he writes such ridiculous drivel that he succeeds in disrupting threads. He’s too stupid to realize that he could live of wingnut welfare doing what he already does for free.
In short, he’s too frickin’ stupid to bother engaging.
Like Daryll and Hendler.
So please, let Jake be. Let him go talk with his imaginary friends and allow him to believe he’s smart and important, but please, do not waste your time responding to him.
Here endeth the lesson.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:38 am92 percent: Proportion of the world’s opium that Afghanistan now produces. Bush administration officials acknowledge that until recently, “fighting drugs was considered a distraction from fighting terrorists.†The problem has become so severe that American officials now “hope that Afghanistan’s drug problem will someday be only as bad as that of Colombia.â€
A direct consequence of the USA management of the war. By battling the Talibans, and by not battling with the same strength the warlords, and using the later as allies against the former ones, the USA has empowered the ones that have the opium bussiness in their hands, ever since Afghanistan is a producer of Opium. Not that the Talibans are the ‘good’ ones and the warlords the ‘evil’ ones, nor viceversa. Both of them are bad for the country, but the USA decided to ally with the warlords, as the lesser evil, in a blatant low expectations move.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:38 amEthanol from corn is a guaranteed loser. Prima facie evidence: Bush and Big Oil support it. They will turn it into a massive gravy train of subsidies.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:38 amThe UN has recently released a study describing the disastrous consequences of growing corn for fuel, both to the environment, and the human food supply.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:41 am“Cease filling up your gas tank when it’s not needed”
Oh thats brilliant, when it’s not needed, I guess I’ll have to curtail my driving around the block for hours for no good reason.
The geography of our country and the design of our cities requires driving. I suppose I could walk the twenty miles to work but I’d probably be late.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:41 amGas prices are a real burden on middle class families, and it’s the rich’s gas usage that drives-up the cost for the middle class’ more-moderated use.
We know that Republican’s are less likely to care about the issue, but I see most of these rich Democrats guzzling-up while “advocating” for lower prices. Have they every heard of supply and demand? Hillary and her constant jet-flying isn’t helping much, either. Couldn’t she save some fuel and start her campaign later?
How’s the alternative fuels development coming along, by the way?
May 16th, 2007 at 9:43 am#37
Disjointed and retarded.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:46 amRocks911
The geography of our country and the design of our cities requires driving. I suppose I could walk the twenty miles to work but I’d probably be late.
You could bike it. It’ll take 1.5 hours initially, and you prob. can’t do it more than once or twice a week to start with, but after a season or two, you can be doing it 4-5 times a week in an hour.
CompTROLLER V-1
it’s the rich’s gas usage that drives-up the cost for the middle class’ more-moderated use.
Dude, what? It’s the growing demand in China, India and other third world nations coupled with instability in the Middle East that’s driving up costs.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:47 amThat was the official line. But then I heard different:
http://www.tbo.com/news/nationworld/MGBC1WT1G0F.html
Opium is funding the Taliban now. It may be banned under Islamic law, but apparently it’s ok to sell it to non-Muslim infidels to fund their war against same infidels!
May 16th, 2007 at 9:48 amWhat a way to not only not suffer from high gas prices, but also CUT your fuel cost?
1) Buy a Hybrid for longer trips
2) Buy a bike or electric scooter for short trips.
3) Combine trips instead of making several small trips.
4) WALK
One year ago I was averaging $150/month for gas. I am still averaging $150/month. Industries change slowly, individuals change quickly.
May 16th, 2007 at 9:51 amI know I’m going to regret this but what the hell is the difference between filling up my tank when it is not needed say half full and when it is needed say at a quarter full?
May 16th, 2007 at 9:52 amsupply and demand hahahahhaahahahaaa
again:
“Deregulation of oil futures trading by the Republic666an controlled presidency and House have resulted in manipulation of the market.
Republic666ans raping the American dream one day at a time”
-(R)trollsheeple are too funny
May 16th, 2007 at 9:54 amsquegeebooo,
Unfortunately my employer requires I have a personal vehicle available for use at work.
So it’s just a coincidence that the historical price chart spikes with Dubyas Presidency? If it walks like a duck…
http://zfacts.com/p/35.html
May 16th, 2007 at 10:00 amArmy body armor contract hasn’t been awarded yet
Equipment had been promised for April; Marines on Okinawa receive new MTV vests
By Jeff Schogol, Stars and Stripes
Mideast edition, Wednesday, May 16, 2007
Courtesy of Program Executive Office Soldier
Soldiers with the 4th Battalion, 9th Infantry, which is part of the 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division at Fort Lewis, Wash., examine the new Improved Outer Tactical Vest. They were the first soldiers to receive the IOTV, according to program managers.
ARLINGTON, Va. — The Army is late in delivering newer, lighter body armor to soldiers downrange.
In April, an official with Program Executive Officer Soldier (PEO Soldier) said that soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan would begin to receive the Improved Outer Tactical Vests that month.
“The Army will begin fielding the IOTV April 07 as directed by [Headquarters, Department of the Army/ Army Central Command],†said Steven Pinter in an e-mailed response to questions to Stars and Stripes last month.
But the Army has not yet awarded a contract for the new body armor, according to PEO Soldier, the Army’s development center for advanced soldier equipment.
Officials at PEO Soldier declined to comment about why no contract has been awarded.
“It is not common Army practice to discuss pending contract awards in the media,†an e-mailed response from PEO says. “As soon as contracts are in place, PEO Soldier would be pleased to conduct an interview with Stars and Stripes.â€
Asked if he could say why no such contract had been awarded, Lt. Gen. Stephen Speakes, who handles Army resources issues said, “No, I can’t.â€
The new body armor is designed to have an additional 52 square inches of protection in the rear of the vests as well as better carriers for side ballistic plates and a quick-release handle that would allow soldiers to drop their armor quickly in emergencies.
The vests are also three pounds lighter than the body armor soldiers wear now and they feature a waistband that takes much of the vests’ weight off the shoulders.
In addition to the IOTV, the Army plans to begin issuing yet another generation of body armor in fiscal 2010 or 2012 as part of the Future Force Warrior System.
The body armor component of the system, known as the “chassis,†is expected to have six ballistic plates that would be 12 percent larger than current Small Arms Protective Inserts and would be shaped to provide more protection along the spine and reduce gaps between the plates.
Before the chassis can be fielded along with the rest of the system, researchers must see if the shaped plates provide the same amount of protection as ballistic plates being used now.
In October, an official with the U.S. Army Natick Soldier Center in Massachusetts said the Army may try to roll out the body armor earlier than planned.
But in February, Maj. Gen. Jeffrey A. Sorenson said the Army’s time line for issuing the new body armor had not changed.
“The future body armor has not gone through all its qualification tests, has not been certified, has not been fully validated in tests, so at this point in time it’s not ready for fielding,†said Sorenson, who deals with Army acquisition, technology and logistics issues.
Meanwhile, Marines on Okinawa have this year received new Modular Tactical Vests that give Marines more side protection, but so far none of the new vests has been issued to Marines downrange, officials at Marine Corps Systems Command said.
“The decision to field MTVs to units preparing to deploy in the next few months was based on the need for units to train with the new vests,†said Systems Command spokesman Capt. Jeff Landis in a Tuesday e-mail to Stars and Stripes. “Further, each deploying Marine will be properly fitted with the MTV system and the gear normally carried on the vest.â€
By October, the Corps expects to have 60,000 MTVs fielded to operating forces, according to Marine Corps Systems Command.
The Corps plans to introduce the next generation in body armor in the next two to three years, depending on advances in technology.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:01 amRocks911
Unfortunately my employer requires I have a personal vehicle available for use at work.
Ah, that sucks.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:03 amComment by Rocks911
#38, stupid and ignorant. Reality hasn’t been so good to you, I suppose.
Comment by squegeebooo
Sure, the strains in the middle-east are driving up costs, but I’m simply giving an opinion on usage patterns that may be contributing to those higher prices. If the demand from other countries is at fault, then who’s to blame? Companies or consumers?
May 16th, 2007 at 10:07 am#4 is a idiot. Yes gas in more expensive in the UK. I would have no problem paying the same thing if I and my family recieved free healthcare and education, once again you are an idiot. #1 I think you should be the 1st to volunteer to increase the # of people iin Gitmo. It’s people like you have brought america to a “3rd world” level. How the fuck do you sleep at night!
May 16th, 2007 at 10:08 am“Households are spending about $1,000 more per year for gasoline than they were just five years ago, an 85 percent increase†according to consumer groups’ analysis prepared for the House Judiciary Committee. “In the past five years the oil industry has picked consumers pockets for 200 billion in excess profits,†said the Consumer Federation of America.
by thinkprogress.org
Oh please stop your whinning and crying….TP always crying about people making money. Sad, sad…
Shit, if you don’t want the oil companies to make money, stop driving, walk to work, ride your bike to work. When you go to a Florida vacation, walk to Florida.
I am sure that everyone that blogs here on TP walks to work, owns their own hybrids, no one drives SUVs, right? Like Kerry, right? like Al Gore, like Hellary, like Edwards, Obama etc who all own SUVs, 8 cylinder cars and fly in private jet planes. Right? These is how the leaders of the Democratic Party lead by example, correct?
May 16th, 2007 at 10:08 amRocks911
So it’s just a coincidence that the historical price chart spikes with Dubyas Presidency? If it walks like a duck…
Not at all, it is partially due to his presidency, cause guess who’s helped cause most of the uncertainty in the Middle East.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:09 amI would love to commute by bike rather than car, but the road infrastructure in my suburban area precludes that as a viable option. I live ten miles from my office and all of the roads are 4-6 highways with no bike lanes. I recently watched a biker get nailed by a pickup truck. The sight of this guy hurtling through the air before smashing onto the pavement was enough to dissuade me from the notion of biking to work until the government makes the roads more bike-friendly. New roads should include bike lanes and currently existing bike paths should be expanded. When those things happen, I will gladly cycle to work – I’d love to get the exercise.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:11 amWATCH OUT! Don’t step in it! This thread has been Jaked on.
Comment by Bluedahlia — May 16, 2007 @ 9:17 am
Comparing Jake to shit is unfair to … SHIT.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:12 amsquegeebooo,
And uncertainty in the Middle East results in continuous record profits for Exxon how?
Exxon nets 100 million dollars a day in profit and that has to do with political instability?
May 16th, 2007 at 10:13 am“Warm temperatures melted an area of western Antarctica that adds up to the size of California in January 2005, scientists report,†noting “clear signs that melting had occurred in multiple distinct regions, including far inland and at high latitudes and elevations, where melt had been considered unlikely.â€
by thinkprogress.org
Oh no!!!! Oh NO!!! IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!!! what shall we do…..help!….help! Al Gore, almighty Global Warming Cult Leader, please tell us what to do!!!! Shall we live like you and Hellary and Edwards and Michael Moore, and Al Franken, and Tim Robins and Susan Serandon, and Barack Obama and keep on driving our SUVs and flying in private jets, and driving our 8 cylinder cars?
Please guide us, we are but poor sheeps of the left that are too dumb and stupid to think for ourselves.
Please guide us Al Gore, please. We Liberals can’t thinkn for ourselves, we need the Democratic Leaders to tell us what to do.
The Religion of Global Warming must be shoved down everyone’s throats and he who doesn’t accept the will of our god, Al Gore, must be cast into Hell.
Al gore, please, help us….we are desperate for a leader, we are but poor dumb sheep……
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHHAAHHAHAAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 10:14 amES
New roads should include bike lanes and currently existing bike paths should be expanded. When those things happen, I will gladly cycle to work – I’d love to get the exercise.
Bike lanes, IMO, create more hazard for bikers than just using the road. Once your in your own lane, cars stop paying attention to you, and are more likely to turn into you, or pull out into you at intersections and driveways/parking lots. But I understand your concern, using major roads was scary for the first week or two until I got used to them.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:16 am“$1,000 more per year for gasoline ” …Yea, just this weekend moving my daughter across the state.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:18 amValiantthehater,
Up your dose.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:18 amUnfortunately, the “Big 3″ Detroit automakers have spent years fighting against even a minor increase in fuel efficiency (CAFE) standards and have take advantage of the giant loophole exempting SUVs and large trucks. Republicans and too many Democrats have capitulated.
Two results of this outdated policy? The Big 3 are suffering due to poor sales; average fuel economy of the vehicles on our roads has increased over the past several years. Even dumb Jake can explain that supply and demand has helped to give us record high gas prices. Oh, and Cheney’s secret energy policy written by the oil industry probably isn’t really in favor of consumers. Of course, Cheney is so confident in his policy that he won’t tell Americans who he talked to.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:18 amHell, I’d love to have a job closer to home and/or use mass transit to commute. Thanks to the Bush administration, job opportunities (paying a livable wage) are few and far between and as far as mass transit is concerned, you can’t get there from here. :(
Anyone discussing a windfall profits tax yet?
May 16th, 2007 at 10:20 amIf they were attempting to persuade veteran Miller to convert to Islam, I’m not sure if TP would be running this story. You have to go the whole way if you’re for advocating “freedom from religion.â€
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 9:35 am
The man is an Orthodox Jew you effing moron. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t want fundamentalist of any type proselytizing. And I don’t want MY tax dollars going towards the spread of ANY RELIGION.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:20 amNotice how some of the highest gas prices are found in some of the most democratic cities – LA, NY, etc. Politics aside, it helps confer my argument that a wealth/consumption divide helps spike the cost of gasoline.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:21 amRocks911
Exxon nets 100 million dollars a day in profit and that has to do with political instability?
Look up their net profit margin, and compare it to other industries, in similar fields, and in other business fields.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:25 amProportion of the world’s opium that Afghanistan now produces. Bush administration officials acknowledge that until recently,
guns = drugs = money = more guns = more drugs = more money
Funny How Heroin production was down as the taliban did not let people grow the stuff , then bang the Northern Alliance = Mujahedeen = Loads of Drugs
Then Karzai says vote for me and Ill let you grow heroin
Heroin has hit rock bottom prices Kids can afford it now – Bush your a walking disaster on earth
May 16th, 2007 at 10:25 amGifts for Bush – here Bushy Boy I have a nice IED for you specially hand picked from a market in Iraq
May 16th, 2007 at 10:27 am“I’m not sure…”
“Notice how…”
Wow you are incredibly imprecise.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:27 amTry the Faux noise gambit of “some people say…”
Look up their net profit margin, and compare it to other industries, in similar fields, and in other business fields. — Comment by squegeebooo.
Even better, look at how the oil company executives are getting record compensation and bonuses. Ah, now I see where all those profits are going . . . into the pockets of Bush and Cheney’s old friends.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:29 amNotice how some of the highest gas prices are found in some of the most democratic cities – LA, NY, etc. Politics aside, it helps confer my argument that a wealth/consumption divide helps spike the cost of gasoline.
thats called gerrymandering and should NOT happen
May 16th, 2007 at 10:30 amsquegeebooo,
I compared Exxons profit margin with the golden double widget manufacturing sector of our economy and it still appears to me as though they are ripping off the American consumer.
But really back to the political instability question, your first assertion was about the Middle East and how instability there is causing gas prices to climb, and now your point vis-a-vis other buisnesses is?
May 16th, 2007 at 10:32 amComment by Shane
Sure you don’t. And of note, I don’t care what religion the Navy veteran presently holds. The point is the enforced impression of Islam going unreported while people like yourself advocate “freedom from religion”
“Effing moron?” Byte me.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:32 amAt Christmas, Bush gave Cheney “$667 worth of instruments to measure temperature, barometric pressure and tides.â€
Sounds like very useful gifts for a person who will be spending a significant amount of time in the near future on an undisclosed island of of a country in South America that has no extradition agreement with the United States. Actually, knowing Georgie, it was a GAG gift.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:37 amCompTROLLer V1, just as pray is out in public schools, so should it be at VA hospitals. I’d consider a nurse or doctor who abused their position of authority to push a particular religious outlook to be guilty of a dismissible offence. That’s not what they are being paid to do and to take taxpayer money to promote their own church is a kind of theft.
The question of religion should only come up to identify a patients need. And clearly the kosher meals here were not delivered. A rabbi was not contacted. And the proselytizing came from many quarters –not just the chaplain. But the champlain is supposed to be more ecumenical. Imagine a Baptist champlain telling a Catholic patient who was dying that the Pope was the Anti-Christ and that he would burn in hell.
This White House has been engaged in favoritism that clearly violates the First Amendment. This is part of a concerted effort to establish evangelical Christianity as the American Religion. It is not only unconstitutional, but it is, as I’ve mentioned, THEFT.
BTW, Islam does not have a “convert or die” philosophy. Indeed, the Koran recognizes Moses and Jesus are great prophets to be respected. There is no quarrel with Judaism or Christianity per se, but with the lack of a political solution to the Palestinian problem and the quasi-crusade against any Muslim country with oil.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:39 amComment by Shane
Sure you don’t. And of note, I don’t care what religion the Navy veteran presently holds. The point is the enforced impression of Islam going unreported while people like yourself advocate “freedom from religionâ€
“Effing moron?†Byte me.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 10:32 am
What an idiot.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:41 amIf they were attempting to persuade veteran Miller to convert to Islam, I’m not sure if TP would be running this story. You have to go the whole way if you’re for advocating “freedom from religion.â€
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 9:35 am
The man is an Orthodox Jew you effing moron. I’m pretty sure he doesn’t want fundamentalist of any type proselytizing. And I don’t want MY tax dollars going towards the spread of ANY RELIGION.
Comment by Shane — May 16, 2007 @ 10:20 am
hmmmm….actually, retard….Orthodox Jews are fundamentalists in the Jewish community, duh, duh, duh….
so you don’t want your tax money going towards spreading any religion? so i take it you are 100% against State universities forcing incoming freshmen to take a Koran class, right? which is happening more and more through out the USA.
and i take it you don’t mind then that your tax money is used in many places to attack religion and to spread secularism, eh?
typical liberal, a hypocrite
May 16th, 2007 at 10:42 amAnother excellent post David. Enjoy reading what you have to say. Thanks for being here. :)
May 16th, 2007 at 10:43 amRocks911
I compared Exxons profit margin with the golden double widget manufacturing sector of our economy and it still appears to me as though they are ripping off the American consumer.
Actually look at their profit margins. Then actually look at other industries profit margins.
But really back to the political instability question, your first assertion was about the Middle East and how instability there is causing gas prices to climb, and now your point vis-a-vis other buisnesses is?
Political instability in the ME causes extra speculation in the oil markets, raising the price per barrel of oil, causing prices to rise. Things like the Iraqi War and the Iran’s Nuclear issues cause instability.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:45 amNone of my previous posting indicate me defending the White House, and I don’t support prayer in public schools. I do support a more governed role for chaplains in which they are strictly to mediate, not advertise any specific religion. This topic, however, has not much to do with the specifics of any religion. I’m not bashing Islam, I’m merely pointing out that reporters in this country seem to speak so highly whenever more people in the U.S. are converting to it. We are waging a war against radical Islam, so it still makes me feel uncomfortable.
Christianity, as well, is not a “convert or die” religion.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:53 amThe point is the enforced impression of Islam going unreported while people like yourself advocate “freedom from religionâ€
“Effing moron?†Byte me.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 10:32 am
Stupid shit, the veteran was an Orthodox Jew and there were no muslims trying to convert him. And yes progressives would be outraged if they were. That was the stupid nonissue YOU set forth wasn’t it?
May 16th, 2007 at 10:56 am#71 – “and i take it you don’t mind then that your tax money is used in many places to attack religion and to spread secularism, eh?” Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 10:42 am
Care to support this assertion?
Or is this just another tired talking point?
May 16th, 2007 at 10:59 amComment by Bluedahlia
When one resorts to the name calling, you know they have nothing else to offer. Go finish planning your slumber party for Friday night in Osama’s cave.
May 16th, 2007 at 10:59 am#74 – “Christianity, as well, is not a “convert or die†religion.” Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 10:53 am
Well, now that Rev. Falwell has passed on, it’s much less likely to be portrayed as one. . . . .
May 16th, 2007 at 10:59 am.. I don’t support prayer in public schools.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 10:53 am
—–You don’t support freedom of speech? Why can’t a student pray in a public school? this goes to the heart of freedom of speech which the left claims to love and adore.——
Christianity, as well, is not a “convert or die†religion.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 10:53 am
—–EXACTLY!!!! Yet Liberals are more terrified of Christianity than they are of Islam. The latter does say, convert or die.
Christianity says, here is your choice, take it or live it.
I mean it is like what is happening in Darfur, Muslims killing hundreds of thousands of Christians.
Liberals claim to hate funadmentalism, yet it seems that the only fundamentalisim that they hate is anything related to Christianity. When it comes to Islam Liberals say, “WE must understand Islam, we must try to live side by side with Islam.” Hmmmm….I smell double standard, I smell left wing bigotry against Christianity.
This whole war that the left has waged mainly and in many cases only against Christianity. Now that there is a true fundamentalist religion, Islam, on the move to kill anyone that stands on its way, LIberals ask everyone to tolerate Islam, but to attack Christianity.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:00 am#71 – “and i take it you don’t mind then that your tax money is used in many places to attack religion and to spread secularism, eh?†Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 10:42 am
Care to support this assertion?
Or is this just another tired talking point?
Comment by Democrat Soldier — May 16, 2007 @ 10:59 am
————-why are you Liberals so poorly informed, why? educate yourself, you will certainly stop being a silly, little Liberal. read and educate yourself son.——————————
University Can’t Force Students to Read Koran, Lawsuit Says
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Morning Editor
July 23, 2002
(CNSNews.com) – A pro-family group is suing the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill for requiring students in a mandatory summer reading program to read, discuss and reflect on selected passages from the Koran.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:03 am~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
According to the AFA Center for Law & Policy, incoming freshmen received a postcard from the University telling them they not only had to read the Koran – they also had to take part in mandatory group discussions about the Koran and listen to a CD reciting portions of the Koran in Arabic. The CD included a call to prayer.
Valiantthehater
Yet Liberals are more terrified of Christianity than they are of Islam. The latter does say, convert or die.
No it doesn’t. It says convert or pay an infidel tax.
Christianity says, here is your choice, take it or live it.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:06 amHa, nice Freudian slip.
hmmmm….actually, retard….Orthodox Jews are fundamentalists in the Jewish community, duh, duh, duh….
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 10:42 am
Actually Hasidic Jews would be fundamentalist not Orthodox Jews. And Jews do not proselytize, idiot.
And your other two issues about Koran classes and secularism, just more crap you made up. Everybody know that you are the biggest fabricator of all trolls. You want anybody to believe you provide a link, not from your church.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:06 amComment by Shane
Sorry, you still fail to get the picture. Your downfall, not mine. Your words indicate clearly that you’re for all religions vs. one (or in this case, all religions vs. basic christianity). And nope, no documentation of progressives/liberals seeing outrage at other in-your-face displays of non-christian religions in this country.
Also, shouldn’t ThinkProgress delete/edit your post for containing vulgar language?
May 16th, 2007 at 11:07 amThings like the Iraqi War and the Iran’s Nuclear issues cause instability.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 16, 2007 @ 10:45 am
And now you’ve answered the question why we invaded Iraq.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:09 amhmmmm….actually, retard….Orthodox Jews are fundamentalists in the Jewish community, duh, duh, duh….
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 10:42 am
Actually Hasidic Jews would be fundamentalist not Orthodox Jews. And Jews do not proselytize, idiot.
And your other two issues about Koran classes and secularism, just more crap you made up. Everybody know that you are the biggest fabricator of all trolls. You want anybody to believe you provide a link, not from your church.
Comment by Shane — May 16, 2007 @ 11:06 am
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Jews don’t proselytize? hahahahahahahahahahaha
you really have to get a new education, your degree from clown university isn’t doing you too much good.
Jews do proselytize, not in the same way that Christians do, but they do.
futhermore, prostelysation is a very important part of any Christian religion. We are called to try to convert our fellow human beings into Christianity.
funny thing is that Global Warming zealots, pro-murdering babies individuals, Liberals, atheist, etc also proselytize in their own way and this is not only accepted, but pushed by left winger leaders.
Left wingers only hate Christians that try to convert others to Christianity, but they love Muslims, atheist, Global Warming Zealots, etc, etc who go and try to convert others to their way of thinking.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:15 amSorry, you still fail to get the picture
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 11:07 am
And you still failed to read the original story. But obviously failure is something you can live with.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:15 amComment by Valiantthehater
Freedom of speech is extremely valuable, but I guess it’s just how I was just brought up. I attended public school from 7:30-2:20 daily and I didn’t see any fitting for religious material. There’s no disdain, I simply couldn’t have imagined it there. I do think, however, that religion’s use can help with a well-rounded education. The school system just wouldn’t have time to integrate it in seven 40-minute daily intervals, if that.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:16 amValiantthehater
Yet Liberals are more terrified of Christianity than they are of Islam. The latter does say, convert or die.
No it doesn’t. It says convert or pay an infidel tax.
Christianity says, here is your choice, take it or live it.
Ha, nice Freudian slip.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 16, 2007 @ 11:06 am
Freudian slip? how? christianity doesn’t kill you if you don’t convert. Islam does or at least the current Islam and how it is being preached.
regardless, Liberals, atheists, global warming zealots, pro-homosexuals, pro-murdering babies, etc individuals also try to convert people to their way of thinking.
why is this latter ok, but not for Christianity to do it? why?
May 16th, 2007 at 11:18 am.. I don’t support prayer in public schools.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 10:53 am
Don’t ever ask Jesus for help.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:18 amHow about poppies from afganistan get converted into feul?
May 16th, 2007 at 11:22 amLiberals claim to hate funadmentalism, yet it seems that the only fundamentalisim that they hate is anything related to Christianity. When it comes to Islam Liberals say, “WE must understand Islam, we must try to live side by side with Islam.†Hmmmm….I smell double standard, I smell left wing bigotry against Christianity.
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 11:00 am
No, we (at least, all the liberals I know) want to live side-by-side with Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hundism, Buddhism, Jainism, Animism, Atheism, and Agnosticism. We want people of all faiths to be free to practice their faith as they choose for themeselves. I have no problem with college or high school students learning about all religions. I have no problem with colleges or high schools establishing prayer rooms for Christians and footbaths for Muslims and providing kosher and halal food. I think we should make reasonable accomodations for members of all faiths.
The problem is when representatives of government – particularly schoolteachers- begin pushing one religion or another. Making an entire public school class recite Christian prayers is a problem A chaplain repeatedly pushing evangelical Christianity on a hospital patient is a problem. I would even agree that a college making the Quraan mandatory reading is a problem, unless it’s part of a comparative religions course that explores all faiths equally. Having students only read the Quraan smacks of an “understand the enemy” mentality.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:23 amValiantthehater
Dude, the Freudian slip joke was because you said ‘take it or LIVE it’, meaning that either way, your still forced to take Christianity.
I know what you meant, so no need to explain it. I just found it humorous.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:23 amYAY FALWELL IS STILL DEAD!
SO IS JESUS YAY!!!!!!
AND CHRSITIANITY IS GOING TO LOSE TO ISLAM… YAY
SOON YOU WILL ALL BE CONVERTED.
DARYLL WE’RE COMING FOR YOU FIRST, YOU HOMO-CHRIST-NAZI
May 16th, 2007 at 11:24 amComment by Makmar Ohama
Hey, Shane, do you need another example?
May 16th, 2007 at 11:27 amVALIUNT THEN WERE COMING FOR YOU. YOU NEED TO COVER THAT FUGLY FACE, AND YOU’RE TOO STUPID TO BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC.
PRAISE ALLAH!!
May 16th, 2007 at 11:27 amValiantthehater
Dude, the Freudian slip joke was because you said ‘take it or LIVE it’, meaning that either way, your still forced to take Christianity.
I know what you meant, so no need to explain it. I just found it humorous.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 16, 2007 @ 11:23 am
oh, yes, you are right…my bad…..and I didn’t catch the second time around….it is leave it.
but no, you are not forced to take Christianity in any way.
today, it is Muslims going all over the world and spreading Islam through fear. As I said earlier, look what is happening in Darfur.
the media refuses to speak enough about why there is a humanitarian aid disaster. The disaster is do to the Muslims killing, mass murdering the Christians in Darfur.
where is the world outrage? I can guarantee you that if it was the oppossite, the UN would have acted already.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:32 amValiantthehater
The disaster is do to the Muslims killing, mass murdering the Christians in Darfur.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict
May 16th, 2007 at 11:34 amExcerpt:
The conflict began in February 2003. Unlike in the Second Sudanese Civil War, which was fought between the primarily Muslim north and Christian and Animist south, almost all of the combatants and victims in Darfur are Muslim
COMPTROLLER
YOU WILL BE 4TH TO CONVERT, RIGHT AFTER THAT TURD JAKE! YOU WILL LOVE ISLAM, YOU GET 72 VIRGINS, AND NOT UGLY ONES LIKE VALIUNT!!
HOT ONES LIKE HILLARY DUFF – OR MAYBE LINDSEY LOHAN.. WOW SHE CAN SUCK MY KORAN ALL NIGHT LONG!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 11:35 amThe conflict began in February 2003. Unlike in the Second Sudanese Civil War, which was fought between the primarily Muslim north and Christian and Animist south, almost all of the combatants and victims in Darfur are Muslim
Comment by squegeebooo — May 16, 2007 @ 11:34 am
Oh, please. Everyone knows that reality is liberally-biased! :rolleyes:
May 16th, 2007 at 11:38 amSO MEN, TAKE YOUR PICK
72 VIRGINS…
OR HEAVEN FOR ETERNITY WITH YOUR MOTHER IN LAW!
May 16th, 2007 at 11:40 amComment by Makmar Ohama
I don’t find Hillary Duff or Lindsey Lohan to be very hot….can you offer me better?
May 16th, 2007 at 11:40 amI don’t find Hillary Duff or Lindsey Lohan to be very hot….can you offer me better?
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 11:40 am
JUST AS I GUESSED, YOU ARE GAY!!! THAT’S OKAY WE CAN FIX THAT TOO!
May 16th, 2007 at 11:44 amComment by Makmar Ohama
No, sorry, not Gay. I just don’t see much in overexposed Hollywood chicks.
Islam isn’t a good deal, sorry.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:47 amJews do proselytize, not in the same way that Christians do, but they do
futhermore, prostelysation is a very important part of any Christian religion. We are called to try to convert our fellow human beings into Christianity. Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 11:18 am
How do Jews proselytize?
Whatever you Christians need to do should it be forced upon a non-interested party in a veterans facility? Doesn’t a person have a right to say “No thank you.”? Or is this just another way we’re going to victimize returning soldiers?
May 16th, 2007 at 11:49 amComment by Makmar Ohama
Hey, Shane, do you need another example?
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 11:27 am
I get it, post under another name to make your point. Very mature.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:50 amShane
How do Jews proselytize?
By having cute daughters who will only date/marry other Jews.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:54 amLiberals claim to hate funadmentalism, yet it seems that the only fundamentalisim that they hate is anything related to Christianity. When it comes to Islam Liberals say, “WE must understand Islam, we must try to live side by side with Islam.†Hmmmm….I smell double standard, I smell left wing bigotry against Christianity.
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 11:00 am
No, we (at least, all the liberals I know) want to live side-by-side with Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hundism, Buddhism, Jainism, Animism, Atheism, and Agnosticism. We want people of all faiths to be free to practice their faith as they choose for themeselves. I have no problem with college or high school students learning about all religions. I have no problem with colleges or high schools establishing prayer rooms for Christians and footbaths for Muslims and providing kosher and halal food. I think we should make reasonable accomodations for members of all faiths.
The problem is when representatives of government – particularly schoolteachers- begin pushing one religion or another. Making an entire public school class recite Christian prayers is a problem A chaplain repeatedly pushing evangelical Christianity on a hospital patient is a problem. I would even agree that a college making the Quraan mandatory reading is a problem, unless it’s part of a comparative religions course that explores all faiths equally. Having students only read the Quraan smacks of an “understand the enemy†mentality.
Comment by toasterhead — May 16, 2007 @ 11:23 am
where does this happen? where is anyone pushing religion unto kids in public schools? religions, except Islam, have been kicked out of our public school system. Kids are not even allowed to have private time for Christian prayer. But if a Muslim kid needs to pray to Mecca, he is allowed. Why the double standards?
furthermore, why is the left ok with pro-homosexuals, pro-abortion, pro-Liberals preaching in public school classrooms?
Liberals dont’ mind that our kids be indoctrinated with left wing ideology, they just hate it when they believe taht children are being indoctrinated with right wing ideology.
Kind of like the Chicago Public school that is being suied for showing Broke Back Mountain to a group of 7th graders. The children were told not to tell their parents.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:54 amSHANE,
NO IT’S NOT COMPTROLLER, DO NOT CONFUSE ME WITH A PEDOPHILE LIKE COMPTROLLER!!
May 16th, 2007 at 11:55 amI get it, post under another name to make your point. Very mature.
Comment by Shane — May 16, 2007
Uh, noo…..I simply referred to ‘Makmar Ohama’s’ posting of insanity.
May 16th, 2007 at 11:56 amComment by Makmar Ohama
ISLAMS BLOW UP INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN! NOTICE HOW YOU RAMBLE AND NOBODY LISTENS TO YOU!
May 16th, 2007 at 11:58 amBy having cute daughters who will only date/marry other Jews.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 16, 2007 @ 11:54 am
MAYBE YOU’RE JUST BUTT-UGLY??
I’VE DATED SEVERAL HOT JEWS.. NO ONE SAYS YA GOTTA MARRY EM.
PRAISE ALLAH!
May 16th, 2007 at 11:58 amMAKMAR OHAMA BEATS HIS WIFE REGULARLY!
May 16th, 2007 at 11:59 amTP is bonkers if it really has banned my last post for referring to a “member” by its anatomical name!
So here is my censored post, referring to “Makmar”:
I can’t believe a true muslim would use “koran” as a euphemism for “down there”
May 16th, 2007 at 11:59 amISLAMS BLOW UP INNOCENT WOMEN AND CHILDREN! NOTICE HOW YOU RAMBLE AND NOBODY LISTENS TO YOU!
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 11:58 am
CHRISTIANS DO THE SAME.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/13317145/detail.html
YOU KNOW NOT EVERYONE GOES TO FAMILY PLANNING TO GET ABORTIONS. ONLY 3%. THE REST ARE THERE LIKE RESPONSIBLE ADULTS.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:00 pmMakmar Ohama – that name doesn’t sound too good…
May 16th, 2007 at 12:01 pmI can’t believe a true muslim would use “koran†as a euphemism for “down thereâ€
Comment by Wilco — May 16, 2007 @ 11:59 am
EINSTEIN YOU ARE NOT…
I DO USE A BIBLE TO WIPE THOUGH!
GOTTA WATCH FOR PAPER CUTS THOUGH.. OUCH!
May 16th, 2007 at 12:02 pmCHRISTIANS DO THE SAME
Comment by Makmar Ohama
No, No, No, No…the secular ones LOVE abortion.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:03 pmJews do proselytize, not in the same way that Christians do, but they do
futhermore, prostelysation is a very important part of any Christian religion. We are called to try to convert our fellow human beings into Christianity. Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 11:18 am
How do Jews proselytize?
Whatever you Christians need to do should it be forced upon a non-interested party in a veterans facility? Doesn’t a person have a right to say “No thank you.� Or is this just another way we’re going to victimize returning soldiers?
Comment by Shane — May 16, 2007 @ 11:49 am
My question to you is….why didn’t TP blog on what is happening here in a Chicago public school, were 7th graders were force dto watch Broke Back Mountain and told not to tell their children?
how is this any better than what these Christians did to this veteran? IF it is true what the soldier claims happened.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:03 pmI mean it is like what is happening in Darfur, Muslims killing hundreds of thousands of Christians.
This whole war that the left has waged mainly and in many cases only against Christianity. Now that there is a true fundamentalist religion, Islam, on the move to kill anyone that stands on its way, LIberals ask everyone to tolerate Islam, but to attack Christianity.
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 11:00 am
First of all, you are confusing Darfur with the Second Sudanese Civil War. In Darfur, most of the residents are Muslim (non-Arab Africans), as are the janjaweed (Arab nomads).
Your last paragraph is equally as misinformed. There is a difference between Islam and radical extremism within the Islam faith. There is also a difference between Christianity and radical extremism within the Christian faith. As a liberal (and a Christian), I do encourage tolerance of Islam as well as Christianity. But I criticize, in the strongest terms, extremism within both faiths.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:04 pmCOMPTROLLER,
SUCKS WHEN YOU EVEN THE TROLL IS OUT TROLLED!
BUHAHAHAH YOU SUCK COMPTROLLER!
May 16th, 2007 at 12:04 pmComments by “Makmar Ohama”
How precious. CompTROLLER V-1 has learned how to sockpuppet.
Pathetic.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:06 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
Sorry, not him. There are radical people out there, just in case you didn’t think so, living in your shell world.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:11 pm7th graders were force dto watch Broke Back Mountain and told not to tell their children?
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
LOL how many 7th graders have children? Even put into the original context, all I have is your rather dubious word on this matter, and no actual link or substance.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:12 pmKrazny
How you been? I got sucked back in yesterday, good to see a few other familiar names.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:15 pmKrazny, it was in the news the other day. One kid’s grandparents are suing the teacher and principal, partly for kidnapping or something like that, because the teacher closed the door.
And the teacher never told them not to tell their parents, the teacher is quoted as saying what happens in the classroom stays in the classroom. The context is simply assumed.
That being said, it is still wrong for a teacher to show an R rated movie to 7th graders without the permission of their parents.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:18 pmPretty good man, moved back to the Pacific Northwest, working pretty hard so not much time for this, and feeling good.
How about yourself?
May 16th, 2007 at 12:18 pmTRIP:
COMP != ME
JUST MAKING FUN OF SCARDY CATS LIKE VALIUNT, JAKE AND THE REST OF THE RIGHT WINGERS WHO R FRAID OF ISLAM.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:18 pmCompTROLLER V-1 sez:
I’m certain there are. I’m addressing one right now.
But “Makmar Ohama” is not a “radical person”…since he is not a “person” at all. It’s an obvious clumsy attempt at sockpuppetry, CT…don’t compound your embarrassment with equally clumsy attempts to deny the obvious.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:20 pm7th graders were force dto watch Broke Back Mountain and told not to tell their children?
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
LOL how many 7th graders have children? Even put into the original context, all I have is your rather dubious word on this matter, and no actual link or substance.
Comment by Krazny — May 16, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
yes, sorry, it shoudl have read, “the 7th graders were told not to tell their parents”.
it is NOT assuming the context it is the fact…
why are LIberals ok with this?
May 16th, 2007 at 12:24 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
Pretty much, you’re only good on these threads at accusing people of being someone else. Even if it was me, you’re still a loser in denial. It doesn’t help your case much.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:26 pmComment by Krazny
Typos occur, ok? Why hold someone else to a higher standard for your own mistakes?
May 16th, 2007 at 12:28 pmKrazny
May 16th, 2007 at 12:28 pmI’ve been doing all right, still in the North East, just working, biking and Frisbee’ing my time away.
t is NOT assuming the context it is the fact…
why are LIberals ok with this?
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
BECAUSE WE WANT THE CHILDREN TO SEE HOW THE CHRISTIANS OPERATE!!
JUST ASK HAGGARD, AND FOLEY!
May 16th, 2007 at 12:28 pmit is NOT assuming the context it is the fact…
why are LIberals ok with this?
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 12:24 pm
May 16th, 2007 at 12:30 pmfor the record I am not okay with it, Schools districts have rules to follow concerning what can and can’t be shown to 7th graders, and they should have been followed, not a don’t ask, don’t tell deal.
TP ate most of my comment.
To the General a type would be spelling to as ot or something similar, that was a full out weirdness.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:32 pmGenerally a Major General sez:
Says “Generally a Major General”, who has no history here whatsoever. What a joke.
Amazing that you can form that opinion of me after such a short stay. Do some Google searches of this site if you want to see more of what ‘I’m good for’ here, GAMG.
True, it could be you…which means my point is still valid, thanks.
“Generally a Major General”. Yet another compelling argument for user registration here at Think Progress.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:37 pmTMM – he’s obviously NOT the model of a modern major general, he has the intellect and wit of a vegetable or mineral….
May 16th, 2007 at 12:43 pmTo the General a type would be spelling to as ot or something similar, that was a full out weirdness.
Comment by Krazny — May 16, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
weird like this sentence from you?
typical liberal that attacks others for what they do.
regardless, why haven’t left wing blogs like TP blogged about this? yet they blog about an individual who claims that he was being forced to accept Christianity?
I can tell you why….
Because many on the left, are ok with our children being indoctrinated with left wing ideology. Yet these same leftists are outraged if they even think that children or anyone for that matter is being indoctrinated with right wing ideology, or Christianity.
if TP thinks that what allegedly happened to this veteran is wrong, TP should be consistant and also blog about what happened in the 7th grade classroom.
and it goes beyond the fact that the movie is R rated. It is a blalant attempt from a teachers to indoctrinate 7th graders with left wing ideology.
Something that is quite common in public schools today.
The left is ok with left wing indoctrination of our children, they just don’t like right wing indoctrination.
and no left wing webiste blogging about the 7th grade incident is proof of this.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:48 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle
Liberals are completely unfit for the military. They believe that one’s military career should be spent in the classroom, nothing but academia. They actually believe that’s how you prepare for the modern battlefield.
Turtles don’t belong in our military. Heroes do.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:52 pmYour last paragraph is equally as misinformed. There is a difference between Islam and radical extremism within the Islam faith. There is also a difference between Christianity and radical extremism within the Christian faith. As a liberal (and a Christian), I do encourage tolerance of Islam as well as Christianity. But I criticize, in the strongest terms, extremism within both faiths.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush — May 16, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
I am sorry, but “radical” Christianity doesn’t kill anyone for not accepting Christianity.
Please name the last time that a terrorist killed a bunch of people for not being Christian?
I can name over 1,000 terrorist attacks done by “radical” Muslims, done to intimdiate people into converting into Islam.
99.9% of the terrorist attacks in the world today are done by individuals that claim to be of the Islamic Faith.
When’s the last time that a Christian blew himself up and in the process killed scores, if not hundreds of people because this people were rnot converting to Christianity?
when’s the last time that a group of christian individuals flew planes into buildings becuase that country was not Muslim?
when’s the last time that a Christian individual blew himself up in a hotel during a wedding and killed all the whole wedding party?
when’s the last time that a Christian blew himself up in a car bomb and killed hundreds of people?
You can’t even start to equalize or make look like the same so called radical Christianity and true radical Islam.
please inform yourself better.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:52 pm#53 Bike lanes, IMO, create more hazard for bikers than just using the road. Once your in your own lane, cars stop paying attention to you, and are more likely to turn into you, or pull out into you at intersections and driveways/parking lots. But I understand your concern, using major roads was scary for the first week or two until I got used to them.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 16, 2007 @ 10:16 am
False. The bike use has increased an enormous % in the last years in our city, and has been demonstrated that bike lanes help the security of bikers. The drivers most not seek now for bikers all around, respecting the bike lane now improves the security of both.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:53 pmVALIUM,
I THINK YOU’RE JUST JEALOUS CUZ NO ONE WANTS TO EVEN PUT IT IN YOUR PINK EYE, LET ALONE THE BROWN EYE..
YOU’RE ONE SKANKY-ASS-HO
May 16th, 2007 at 12:56 pmChristians consider suicide a mortal sin, to compare a Christian blowing himself up to kill unbelievers is inaccurate. How about the Christian who blew up the Oklahoma Federal building, because he felt that the government was attacking good Christians in Waco and Ruby Ridge? What about the Crusades, where thousands, Christian, and muslim alike were killed? you ignore history Valiant, but you aren’t too bright.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:57 pmLiberals are completely unfit for the military. They believe that one’s military career should be spent in the classroom, nothing but academia. They actually believe that’s how you prepare for the modern battlefield.
Turtles don’t belong in our military. Heroes do.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
GEE 5 DEFERMENT DICK CHENEY, AND AWOL DUBYA WOULD DISAGREE.
WHY AREN’T YOU OVER THERE? COWARD.
May 16th, 2007 at 12:58 pmFalse. The bike use has increased an enormous % in the last years in our city, and has been demonstrated that bike lanes help the security of bikers. The drivers most not seek now for bikers all around, respecting the bike lane now improves the security of both.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — May 16, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
if everyone rode bikes to work, CO2 emissions from our breathing would increase.
this is a very bad idea. Al Gore should ask his sheeps, I mean Liberals to jump of cliffs and stop breathing. This would eliminate CO2 emissions.
hahahahaha!!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 12:58 pmLiberals are completely unfit for the military. They believe that one’s military career should be spent in the classroom, nothing but academia. They actually believe that’s how you prepare for the modern battlefield.
Turtles don’t belong in our military. Heroes do.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
GEE 5 DEFERMENT DICK CHENEY, AND AWOL DUBYA WOULD DISAGREE.
WHY AREN’T YOU OVER THERE? COWARD.
Comment by Makmar Ohama — May 16, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
You mean like ex-President Clinton running away like a coward to Europe to avoid being drafted, right?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:00 pmYou can’t even start to equalize or make look like the same so called radical Christianity and true radical Islam.
please inform yourself better.
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
AHH BUT ONCE THE CHRISTIANS ARE OUTNUMBERED, AND POOR LIKE THE MUSLIMS ARE NOW, YOU WILL BE THE ONES RESORTING TO ‘POOR MANS TERRORISM”
HAHAHA YOU’RE A PUSSY, SITING HERE ON YOUR KEYBOARD FIGHTING ISLAM AND TERRORISTS… ITS NO WONDER THEY WILL WIN.. MARK MY WORDS.. THEY HAVE TRUE FAITH. 99% OF AMERICAN CHRISTIANS ARE NOT REAL AT ALL. THEY DON’T TRULY BELIEVE, OR THEY WOULD BE OVER THERE FIGHTING… RIGHT COWARDS?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:02 pmYou mean like ex-President Clinton running away like a coward to Europe to avoid being drafted, right?
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
BUT CLINTON NEVER CLAIMED TO BE A WAR PRESIDENT DID HE?
STRAP ON THAT M-16.. REALLY IF YOU HAVE FAITH NO MATTER WHAT YOU’LL END UP IN HEAVEN RIGHT?
C’MON DIE FOR THE CAUSE!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:05 pmFalse. The bike use has increased an enormous % in the last years in our city, and has been demonstrated that bike lanes help the security of bikers. The drivers most not seek now for bikers all around, respecting the bike lane now improves the security of both.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — May 16, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
if everyone rode bikes to work, CO2 emissions from our breathing would increase.
this is a very bad idea. Al Gore should ask his sheeps, I mean Liberals to jump of cliffs and stop breathing. This would eliminate CO2 emissions.
hahahahaha!!!!
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Says the balloon full of hot air. Please, shut your mouth and don’t let out all these fumes. With luck, and in 5 minutes, the world will have a problem less.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:08 pm#80 – “why are you Liberals so poorly informed, why? educate yourself, you will certainly stop being a silly, little Liberal. read and educate yourself son.”
Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 11:03 am
Well, I read your post, but I still don’t see where Taxpayer money is being used to attack religion and force secularism. Could you point it out?
I guess your idea of “attacking religion” is requiring students to read a religious text that isn’t Christian.
I guess it takes a twisted mind to read the motives you see in this particualar article. I can only assume that your education did not include rational thinking.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:21 pmYou know, if gas is so expensive, and its a problem, maybe the Minnesota Dumb F*ckin Liberal party shouldn’t raise taxes on it!
http://www.startribune.com/587/story/1173407.html
May 16th, 2007 at 1:23 pm#85 – “Left wingers only hate Christians that try to convert others to Christianity, but they love Muslims, atheist, Global Warming Zealots, etc, etc who go and try to convert others to their way of thinking.” Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 11:15 am
Yet another fine example of the neo-con talking point being used to slandar everyone with whom they disagree while ignoring reality.
You tend to forget that there are Liberal Christains on this page, and I’m one of them.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:24 pm#89 – “Don’t ever ask Jesus for help.” Comment by Daryll — May 16, 2007 @ 11:18 am
More proof that Daryll refuses to follow Jesus and the Christian example.
Daryll only follows the ‘c’hristian example of: “if they don’t agree with you, hate them in My name!!!!”
May 16th, 2007 at 1:26 pm#107 – “religions, except Islam, have been kicked out of our public school system. Kids are not even allowed to have private time for Christian prayer. But if a Muslim kid needs to pray to Mecca, he is allowed. Why the double standards? ” Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 11:54 am
Obviously, you have not been in the public school system for a very long time.
My mother, sister, and mohter-in-law are teachers, and they attend (or attended before they retired) the “pray around the flag-pole” held every Monday at school. Teachers, students, and parents attend regularly.
The AV room has been scheduled for “Christian prayer hour” every Wednesday after school.
I think it’s only the neo-cons that think Chirstianity doesn’t exist in sholls anymore. It’s very sad that you refuse to educate yourself sufficiently before you shoot your mouth off. Again.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:31 pmI best Makmar Ohama is standing next Bin Laden.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:34 pm#146 – “You mean like ex-President Clinton running away like a coward to Europe to avoid being drafted, right?” Comment by Valiantthehater — May 16, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
Or like Pres. Bush getting the Democrat Speaker of the House in Texas to get him a slot in the Air National Guard so he didn’t have to go to war.
Or like V.Pres Cheney getting four deferments while he was in college, then having a baby when he mazed out all the deferments he could possibly get.
How about like Fmr. VPres. Al Gore that served in the Military? Oh, wait. That was actualy serving, unlike Republicans of today. . . . .
May 16th, 2007 at 1:34 pm#
You know, if gas is so expensive, and its a problem, maybe the Minnesota Dumb F*ckin Liberal party shouldn’t raise taxes on it!
http://www.startribune.com/587/story/1173407.html
Comment by m12 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
HEY DUM BASS – DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE, YOU ACT LIKE THOSE TAXES ARE JUST GOING INTO SOME LIBERALS POCKET, YOU KNOW LIKE CHENEY GETS WITH HALIBURTON.
THAT MONEY IS PROBABLY BECAUSE THE FEDS HAVE CUT STATE TRANSIT FUNDING, YOU KNOW TO BUILD ROADS IN IRAQ.. HAHAHA
GO TEAM TERROR!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:36 pm#
I best Makmar Ohama is standing next Bin Laden.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
AND I BET YOU’RE HITTING THE CRACK PIPE WHILE SUCKING OFF HAGGARD!
May 16th, 2007 at 1:37 pmEvil Spaniard
False. The bike use has increased an enormous % in the last years in our city, and has been demonstrated that bike lanes help the security of bikers. The drivers most not seek now for bikers all around, respecting the bike lane now improves the security of both.
Maybe in the glorious Socialist Utopia that is Spain, but from my own personal experiences and from the majority of US bikers that I have spoken with, the consensus is towards bike lanes causing more issues than they solve.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:43 pm#
You know, if gas is so expensive, and its a problem, maybe the Minnesota Dumb F*ckin Liberal party shouldn’t raise taxes on it!
http://www.startribune.com/587/story/1173407.html
Comment by m12 — May 16, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
My only response would be why did federal dumb Fing conservatives allow the energy industry to write energy policy?
May 16th, 2007 at 1:50 pmHAHHAHAHHA
CNN.COM HAS GREAT TOP STORY.
‘REWARD FOR MISSING SOLDIERS’
WHAT NEXT PUTTING THEIR PICS ON MILK CARTONS?
THIS WHOLE FRIGGEN WAR IS A FIASCO.
NOTEYOU FRIGGEN RIGHT TARDS I AM NOT MAKING FUN OF THE TROOPS, I AM MAKING FUN OF THEIR PATHETIC LEADERSHIP.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:53 pmof man, it stripped out my comment….
So any ways,
Evil Spaniard
From my personal observations, and from the majority of bikers in the US that I have spoken with, we mostly agree that bike lanes cause more issues than they solve, and create extra hazards. Part of the difference may be that drivers in the US still arn’t that used to bikers except in major cities, so in smaller cities or suburbs if we arn’t in their lane, taking up space they forget we are there in the bike lane. Also, cars often park in bike lanes and they tend to have glass and other road trash scattered in them, increasing the chance of a blow out or being forced to swerve back into traffic to avoid anything in the bike lane.
May 16th, 2007 at 1:54 pmCatch up time….
Christianity, as well, is not a “convert or die†religion.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 10:53 am
Actually, it is a “convert or FRY” religion.
We want people of all faiths to be free to practice their faith as they choose for themselves.
Comment by toasterhead — May 16, 2007 @ 11:23 am
So, you would not have a problem with VOLUNTARY prayer in school. After all, people would be practicing their faith as they choose…..
I guess your idea of “attacking religion†is requiring students to read a religious text that isn’t Christian.
Comment by Democrat Soldier — May 16, 2007 @ 1:21 pm
If your require them to read the Quran, then they should also be required to read the Torah and the New Testament as well as the countless other religious text. What makes the Quran more important than any other religious text?
May 16th, 2007 at 2:03 pmComment by Makmar Ohama
I’d rather have a brave U.S. soldier on a milk carton than a dirty, religion-obsessed arab. Makmar Ohama advocates for murders. Enjoy this grace period the media is giving people like you. The U.S. will overcome. The best use of our military technology will prove it.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:06 pmI’d like to see Obama get elected in 2008, only for a Republican-dominated Congress to take him to the cleaners his entire ONE term.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:10 pm#162 – If your require them to read the Quran, then they should also be required to read the Torah and the New Testament as well as the countless other religious text. What makes the Quran more important than any other religious text?” Comment by hacker bob — May 16, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
You make a great point!
Personally, a requirement to read a religious text should be reserved for a Religions of the World class.
I believe that in the case that was mentioned, the school wanted to expose students to a critical thinking exercise with a text they had never previously read. I had never read the Koran until I met some Muslim’s when I lived in Washington DC. The Koran is just as good a text as the Bible and the Torah, all have good parts and all have bloody & murderous parts.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:13 pmComment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 2:06 pm
MORE TOUGH TALK FROM KEYBOARD WARRIOR!!
LETS SEE HOW DID OUR ADVANCED MILITARY DO IN OUR LAST NATION BUILDING ATTEMPTS:
KOREA… NOT SO GOOD.
VIETNAM… NOT SO GOOD
SORRY — AMERICA WILL NOT SUCCEED. THESE PEOPLE DON’T WANT YOUR IDEA OF DEMOCRACY.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:14 pmComment by squegeebooo — May 16, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
I see your point of view. I’m commenting actual studies done in my (big) city, because precisely in the last years we have experimented a strong increase of bike users, and I mean around a 50% increase every year, no exaggeration here. We traditionally are strong users of motorcycles or scooters to commute, specially inside the city, and bikes were simply a step further.
And, not only statistics demonstrate it. I also speak regularly with bike users, and they are very sure that there exists a great difference biking in a street with bike lanes, or without. They are in favor of bike lanes, and are constantly asking for more to the mayor’s office. And the mayor has nothing against it, because decreases traffic volume in the city streets.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:17 pmRepublican-dominated Congress to take him to the cleaners his entire ONE term.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
YOU GUYS DID SO WELL IN 06… SORRY THE PENDULUM HAS SWUNG.
YOURE ON THE TEAM OF LOSERS FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS!!
EVEN ANOTHER TERRORIST ATTACK IN 15 YEARS WE’LL BLAME ON BUSH CREATING MORE TERRORISTS, LEAVING OUR BORDERS OPEN, HOMELAND SECURITY FAILING, AND SO ON.
THANKS!! LOSER!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 2:18 pm#164 – “I’d like to see Obama get elected in 2008, only for a Republican-dominated Congress to take him to the cleaners his entire ONE term.” Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
That’s what everyone said about Pres. Bush. Look how wrong THEY were!
Don’t start your impeachment hearings until AFTER you find the stained dress!
May 16th, 2007 at 2:18 pmPersonally, a requirement to read a religious text should be reserved for a Religions of the World class.
I believe that in the case that was mentioned, the school wanted to expose students to a critical thinking exercise with a text they had never previously read. I had never read the Koran until I met some Muslim’s when I lived in Washington DC. The Koran is just as good a text as the Bible and the Torah, all have good parts and all have bloody & murderous parts.
Comment by Democrat Soldier — May 16, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
I agree. I have read all three books as I have friends and an interest in all three faiths. But they should not use a religious text for a critical thinking excercise, just as they should not use it for a history or science class.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:20 pmChasidism is a branch of orthodox Jewry. They follow the same basic rules , but with the added dimensions of more traditional garbs and the extra customs followed by their particular groups. I am a refugee from one of those Chasidic communities.
With the exception of one wacky Chasidic movement (Lubavitch), Orthodox Jews DO NOT seek converts from other faiths. Chasidic groups, in particular, possess a strong desire to insulate themselves from outside influences and generally shun any and all outside intrusions, even those of good will, into their communities.
As a rule, Gentiles who seek to become Jews are discouraged from doing so. Unlike Christianity, that will take anyone who signs up, we Jews are a bit more cautious. We like doing background checks.
Judaism is NOT on a membership drive.
Kol Tuv
May 16th, 2007 at 2:22 pmWe like doing background checks.
Judaism is NOT on a membership drive.
Kol Tuv
Comment by Shlomo — May 16, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
CLASSIC – AWESOME POST!!
CHRISTIANS WILL TAKE ANYONE!! THATS WHY THEY ARE SO F-CKED UP.
THERE’S NO POWER IN NUMBERS WHEN YOUR NUMBERS ARE COWARDS, TRAITORS, THIEVES, MORALLY BANKRUPT CROOKS AND SO ON..
CAN I GET AN AMEN??
May 16th, 2007 at 2:28 pmLiberals are completely unfit for the military. ….Turtles don’t belong in our military. Heroes do.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
As long as you people keep shooting the liberal heroes in your military like Pat Tillman, I completely agree.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:29 pmIts a shame that Pat doesn’t get to benefit from your wisdom, V1…..
…. why don’t you put down your keyboard and pick up your M-16 – you are obviously inspired by all those Chuck Norris films.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:31 pmComment by Makmar Ohama
We should just nuke the entire middle east and be done with it. Bringing peace to the middle is an irrational thought. Go make yourself sandwich and drink your f***ing milk, stupid troll.
I wouldn’t be naive. The U.S. is patriotic overall, the media just doesn’t account for everyone. We retained in 2002 and 2004, while Clinton had to face the opposing party for 6/8 years of his term. For bush 2/8. Think about that, radical.
May 16th, 2007 at 2:42 pmHEY DUM BASS – DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE, YOU ACT LIKE THOSE TAXES ARE JUST GOING INTO SOME LIBERALS POCKET, YOU KNOW LIKE CHENEY GETS WITH HALIBURTON.
THAT MONEY IS PROBABLY BECAUSE THE FEDS HAVE CUT STATE TRANSIT FUNDING, YOU KNOW TO BUILD ROADS IN IRAQ.. HAHAHA
GO TEAM TERROR!
Minnesota has one of the highest income tax rates in the nation. If they can’t afford road maintainence without hiking taxes, maybe they should cut some funding from the teachers union.
May 16th, 2007 at 3:12 pmCOMPTROLLER:
NUKE IT!! GO AHEAD, LETS HAVE WW-III BY GETTING RUSSIA, PAKISTAN, INDIA, AND CHINA LANDING THEIR NUKES HERE.. YOU’RE NOT TOO BRIGHT ARE YOU?
May 16th, 2007 at 3:14 pmMy only response would be why did federal dumb Fing conservatives allow the energy industry to write energy policy?
You talking about the oil tax breaks signed by the Clinton administration?
May 16th, 2007 at 3:16 pmHow about like Fmr. VPres. Al Gore that served in the Military? Oh, wait. That was actualy serving, unlike Republicans of today. . . . .
I didn’t realize Hillary, Edwards, and Obama had military service, unlike Senator McCain.
May 16th, 2007 at 3:17 pmMinnesota has one of the highest income tax rates in the nation. If they can’t afford road maintainence without hiking taxes, maybe they should cut some funding from the teachers union.
Comment by m12 — May 16, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
BETTER IDEA WOULD BE TO TAX THE CHURCHES!!!
May 16th, 2007 at 3:22 pmm12, you must be joking. McCain’s military service was that of the company jinx. He crashed a plane in the harbor while training. His next plane blew up on the deck of an aircraft carrier –McCain survived, but over 100 men perished. And then he got himself shot down over North Vietnam. He spent most of his war crossing off days on the wall of his cell. I wouldn’t trust McCain’s wartime experience to instruct him on how to conduct a war. Indeed, I’d say that whatever the jinx said should be done, do the opposite.
May 16th, 2007 at 3:23 pmWe should just nuke the entire middle east and be done with it. Bringing peace to the middle is an irrational thought. Go make yourself sandwich and drink your f***ing milk, stupid troll.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 2:42 pm
Ding, ding, ding…. we have a winner for today’s ‘Spot the Genocidal Maniac’ Competition. Your brownshirt and shiny boots will be the mail to you at the end of today’s broadcast….
May 16th, 2007 at 3:23 pmComment by Makmar Ohama
Nope. We’ve got the best nukes. They would be obliterated before they would have the chance to attack. (I wouldn’t have any immediate interest in bombing China, India, or Russia, by the way.)
If I were the commander, of course I wouldn’t post everything here for you to see. The goal isn’t to make the enemy intelligent for all the wrong reasons. And yes, certain governmental departments of the U.S. need to be gutted of wimps so we can carry out the most effective attack to protect this land as being the world’s last great hope. No truly rational person is going to defend the third-world slop you apparently love so much.
May 16th, 2007 at 3:26 pmYou talking about the oil tax breaks signed by the Clinton administration?
Comment by m12 — May 16, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
But, but,…. Clinton! Yes Clinton signed a bill stuffed down his throat from the Gingrich/Hastert Congress…. there’s a word for not telling the whole truth, m12…. can you guess what it is?
This canard was the same one you floated a few days ago and it was dealt with a few days ago….. try to keep up
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/14/gasoline-prices-hit-a-new-record/#comments
May 16th, 2007 at 3:30 pmComment by Makmar Ohama
Sure, they can tax the churches. I hear their are plenty of Islamic mosques cropping in Minnesota. Tax it at 99%. Great revenues there.
May 16th, 2007 at 3:31 pmComment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 16, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
HAHAHA WORLDS LAST GREAT HOPE, WITH CHRSTIAN-NAZI-COWARDS LIKE YOU WHO LOVE TO FIGHT WARS FROM YOUR KEYBOARD.
I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT CHINA AND RUSSIA BOTH HAVE A HUGE INTEREST IN A STABLE AND FUNCTIONAL IRAN.
WHEN YOUR “BEST NUKES” GO OFF AND CONTAMINATE THE ENTIRE REGION, I DON’T THINK EVEN ISRAEL WOULD FORGIVE YOU. TYPICAL GOP SHOOT YOUR LOAD, AND THINK LATER. NOT TO MENTION OUR ALLIES WOULD THEN APPLY SANCTIONS TO THE USA. WE WOULD BE ALONE FIGHTING THE WORLD. AND SINCE YOU CHRIST-O-NAZI’S CANT EVEN JOIN UP TO FIGHT NOW, WHEN THE WORLD IS AGAINST US, YOU’LL BE PISSING YOUR PANTS EVEN MORE THAN NOW.
NO WONDER YOU GOP’ERS ARE USUALLY THE PERVERTS. THE INSURGENTS HAVE IED. YOU JUST HAVE E.D.
May 16th, 2007 at 4:09 pmIf we’re deploying nukes for the purpose of fighting terrorism, how could other countries “apply sanctions?” Also, I don’t care for your vague assertions that the “world is against us.” You just want a free pass for terrorists to commit violent acts against the United States. Want to make excuses, huh? Nope, not buying it. Keep talking, stupid radical. The intellectual manpower of how to run a good military, you will never have.
The problem with the Iraq war: Bush isn’t being flexible with its strategy, its not because we’re there to begin with. He’s the one who’s being stale and denying the true military heroes from achieving their full potential and the commanders from implementing their best plans. There are problems, but we will overcome them and defeat all of you. “Being outnumbered” is irrelevant for various reasons. You’re all and naive and stupid.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:59 amif one can’t have a baby fast or you want twins and you take the fertility pills ……….does that mean they would be committing a major sin or even a small sin?is the answer is yes, please explain…………….please let me know fast!!!!…………..thanx……..i really wanna have twins , but no one in his family or mine have twins ……….so i want them and im thinking that by taking those pills it will help……….but before i do that i don’t want god to be upset with me ……….cuz it’s as if im sort of in a way wanting twins by force ……..so i don’t want my baby or babies to be joint twins……..please help!!!!!!!!!!
June 29th, 2007 at 4:37 am