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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Troops donâ€™t need bigger pay raises,</title>
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		<title>By: Karim</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/16/troops-don%e2%80%99t-need-bigger-pay-raises/comment-page-2/#comment-3809888</link>
		<dc:creator>Karim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 00:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an outrage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an outrage.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3809888', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: m12</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/16/troops-don%e2%80%99t-need-bigger-pay-raises/comment-page-2/#comment-3809461</link>
		<dc:creator>m12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 21:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#74

Let&#039;s see who the military votes for in 2008, shall we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#74</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see who the military votes for in 2008, shall we?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3809461', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy Trotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Trotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 18:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep in mind that we are arguing about 3% vs. 3.5% or about $1300x.005=$6.50 per month for a private.  The whole thing is ridiculous, why is the Administration balking at this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep in mind that we are arguing about 3% vs. 3.5% or about $1300x.005=$6.50 per month for a private.  The whole thing is ridiculous, why is the Administration balking at this.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3809127', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Bewilderbeast</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/16/troops-don%e2%80%99t-need-bigger-pay-raises/comment-page-2/#comment-3808590</link>
		<dc:creator>Bewilderbeast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 15:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#76 Why do these f***ing GOP stooges always assume weâ€™re in love with Clinton? 

Because they LOVE Bush.  Those authoritarian 28%&#039;ers always love their daddy figures.  Look how they still fawn over Reagan.

Disgusting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#76 Why do these f***ing GOP stooges always assume weâ€™re in love with Clinton? </p>
<p>Because they LOVE Bush.  Those authoritarian 28%&#8217;ers always love their daddy figures.  Look how they still fawn over Reagan.</p>
<p>Disgusting.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808590', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: klaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>klaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 14:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do these f***ing GOP stooges always assume we&#039;re in love with Clinton? I&#039;ve lived through 7 presidents and been critical against all stupid, evil policies, but no-one has ever come close to Bush&#039;s stupidity and evil.

You sound like goddamned five year old caught lying by his mother. &quot;Suzie did it too.&quot; Give me a f***ing break, and get a real argument for your posterboy&#039;s criminal idiocy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do these f***ing GOP stooges always assume we&#8217;re in love with Clinton? I&#8217;ve lived through 7 presidents and been critical against all stupid, evil policies, but no-one has ever come close to Bush&#8217;s stupidity and evil.</p>
<p>You sound like goddamned five year old caught lying by his mother. &#8220;Suzie did it too.&#8221; Give me a f***ing break, and get a real argument for your posterboy&#8217;s criminal idiocy.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808376', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Craig mack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 14:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, Bob. What M12 didn&#039;t mention was that those re-up bonuses are for early career folks. for mid-level NCO&#039;s there is no bonus, no incentive, ect. The DOD knows once you go over 10 yrs, they&#039;ve got you by the short and curlies! Unless, of course, you are a linguist or a Air Traffic Controller. It&#039;s still really tough on younger folks, especially those with families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Bob. What M12 didn&#8217;t mention was that those re-up bonuses are for early career folks. for mid-level NCO&#8217;s there is no bonus, no incentive, ect. The DOD knows once you go over 10 yrs, they&#8217;ve got you by the short and curlies! Unless, of course, you are a linguist or a Air Traffic Controller. It&#8217;s still really tough on younger folks, especially those with families.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808373', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: hellinabucket</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/16/troops-don%e2%80%99t-need-bigger-pay-raises/comment-page-2/#comment-3808370</link>
		<dc:creator>hellinabucket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 13:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from the link Rick provided:

When the military was feeling most optimistic about the war â€” in 2004 â€” 83 percent of poll re spondents thought success in Iraq was likely. This year, that number has shrunk to 50 percent. 

Only 35 percent of the military members polled this year said they approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, while 42 percent said they disapproved. The presidentâ€™s approval rating among the military is only slight ly higher than for the population as a whole. In 2004, when his popularity peaked, 63 percent of the military approved of Bushâ€™s handling of the war. While ap proval of the presidentâ€™s war lead ership has slumped, his overall approval remains high among the military.

Just as telling, in this yearâ€™s poll only 41 percent of the military said the U.S. should have gone to war in Iraq in the first place, down from 65 percent in 2003. That closely reflects the beliefs of the general population today â€” 45 percent agreed in a recent USA Today/Gallup poll.



What say you m12?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from the link Rick provided:</p>
<p>When the military was feeling most optimistic about the war â€” in 2004 â€” 83 percent of poll re spondents thought success in Iraq was likely. This year, that number has shrunk to 50 percent. </p>
<p>Only 35 percent of the military members polled this year said they approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, while 42 percent said they disapproved. The presidentâ€™s approval rating among the military is only slight ly higher than for the population as a whole. In 2004, when his popularity peaked, 63 percent of the military approved of Bushâ€™s handling of the war. While ap proval of the presidentâ€™s war lead ership has slumped, his overall approval remains high among the military.</p>
<p>Just as telling, in this yearâ€™s poll only 41 percent of the military said the U.S. should have gone to war in Iraq in the first place, down from 65 percent in 2003. That closely reflects the beliefs of the general population today â€” 45 percent agreed in a recent USA Today/Gallup poll.</p>
<p>What say you m12?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808370', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: hacker bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>hacker bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 13:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;m12, the privates who actually do the fighting are losing money by serving their country. Their families are struggling without the income. You are cool with that?
Comment by JPark â€” May 16, 2007 @ 10:30 pm&lt;/em&gt;

You are aware that when the privates are deployed, they make more money than when they are in the states, right?
1) Tax free income for the time they are in a combat zone.
2) Hazardous Duty pay
3) Family separation pay (for those that are married)
4) Retained Commuted rations (for those that are married)

The average &quot;Joe&quot; is pocketing about $600  a month EXTRA when they are deployed.

&lt;em&gt;Iâ€™d love to see m12 share his sentiments with some Marines, because if there is one thing I know for sure, m12 is a pussy.
Comment by VerbalKint â€” May 16, 2007 @ 11:55 pm&lt;/em&gt;

I am reading m12s statements and sorry to say, most of them are correct.

&lt;em&gt;My housing allowance went down this year (as far as I can tell, theyâ€™ve lowered what they consider â€˜adequateâ€™ housing).
Comment by activeduty â€” May 17, 2007 @ 12:42 am&lt;/em&gt;

If you are active duty, then you know that your BAH (housing allowance) is based on the average monthly housing cost in you stations zip code. Therefore it can (and often does) fluctuate year by year and station to station.

You also know that one of the reasons it is hard to get appointments on base is because of the number of medical personnel that is forward deployed. But if you are active duty, this should not be much of an issue, go to your BAS (Battalion Aid Station) sick call for routine things. 

Yep, pilots get most of the officer bonuses. The Marine Corps is currently giving a $10k bonus to ALL (E-1 through E-9) enlisted that re-enlist.

BUT I STILL THINK WE NEED THE PAY RAISE!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>m12, the privates who actually do the fighting are losing money by serving their country. Their families are struggling without the income. You are cool with that?<br />
Comment by JPark â€” May 16, 2007 @ 10:30 pm</em></p>
<p>You are aware that when the privates are deployed, they make more money than when they are in the states, right?<br />
1) Tax free income for the time they are in a combat zone.<br />
2) Hazardous Duty pay<br />
3) Family separation pay (for those that are married)<br />
4) Retained Commuted rations (for those that are married)</p>
<p>The average &#8220;Joe&#8221; is pocketing about $600  a month EXTRA when they are deployed.</p>
<p><em>Iâ€™d love to see m12 share his sentiments with some Marines, because if there is one thing I know for sure, m12 is a pussy.<br />
Comment by VerbalKint â€” May 16, 2007 @ 11:55 pm</em></p>
<p>I am reading m12s statements and sorry to say, most of them are correct.</p>
<p><em>My housing allowance went down this year (as far as I can tell, theyâ€™ve lowered what they consider â€˜adequateâ€™ housing).<br />
Comment by activeduty â€” May 17, 2007 @ 12:42 am</em></p>
<p>If you are active duty, then you know that your BAH (housing allowance) is based on the average monthly housing cost in you stations zip code. Therefore it can (and often does) fluctuate year by year and station to station.</p>
<p>You also know that one of the reasons it is hard to get appointments on base is because of the number of medical personnel that is forward deployed. But if you are active duty, this should not be much of an issue, go to your BAS (Battalion Aid Station) sick call for routine things. </p>
<p>Yep, pilots get most of the officer bonuses. The Marine Corps is currently giving a $10k bonus to ALL (E-1 through E-9) enlisted that re-enlist.</p>
<p>BUT I STILL THINK WE NEED THE PAY RAISE!!!!!!!!!!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808305', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: theswan</title>
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		<dc:creator>theswan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 12:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets see if bush will veto a 3.5% pay hike for his troops.  And how phoney is his claim to support the troops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets see if bush will veto a 3.5% pay hike for his troops.  And how phoney is his claim to support the troops.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808293', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 12:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that support for Bush among troops has changed a bit since 2004:

http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006_main.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that support for Bush among troops has changed a bit since 2004:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006_main.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006_main.php</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808282', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: WMD</title>
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		<dc:creator>WMD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 08:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The military traditionally votes Republican. In one recent informal survey of the armed forces and their family members, 72% of respondents said they favored Bush over Democrat John Kerry.&lt;/em&gt;

Please NOTE the DATE 2004
ThinkProgress has in fact posted the same poll for 2005 in which &lt;strong&gt;support for bush fell to 52%&lt;/strong&gt;

I would strongly suspect that Bush approvel rating is probably slightly higher then the current civilian approvel rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The military traditionally votes Republican. In one recent informal survey of the armed forces and their family members, 72% of respondents said they favored Bush over Democrat John Kerry.</em></p>
<p>Please NOTE the DATE 2004<br />
ThinkProgress has in fact posted the same poll for 2005 in which <strong>support for bush fell to 52%</strong></p>
<p>I would strongly suspect that Bush approvel rating is probably slightly higher then the current civilian approvel rate.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808238', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: m12</title>
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		<dc:creator>m12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 07:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;With Rush Limbaugh blasting 24/7, and military commanders preaching relentlessly to their troops that *libruls* are anti-military - thatâ€™s all they got 57%? With all of that propaganda, and thatâ€™s it?&lt;/i&gt;

Here comes the &#039;propaganda&#039; whining! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

I think I trust our soldiers to decide who they want. A whopping 14% margin despite Keith Olbermann and company spamming the MSM with your rhetoric?

That&#039;s got to leave a mark. Google up how the military voted in 1992, 1996, or 2000 if you want, but someone as blind as you usually doesn&#039;t see the truth even if it slaps him in the face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>With Rush Limbaugh blasting 24/7, and military commanders preaching relentlessly to their troops that *libruls* are anti-military &#8211; thatâ€™s all they got 57%? With all of that propaganda, and thatâ€™s it?</i></p>
<p>Here comes the &#8216;propaganda&#8217; whining! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!</p>
<p>I think I trust our soldiers to decide who they want. A whopping 14% margin despite Keith Olbermann and company spamming the MSM with your rhetoric?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s got to leave a mark. Google up how the military voted in 1992, 1996, or 2000 if you want, but someone as blind as you usually doesn&#8217;t see the truth even if it slaps him in the face.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808233', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: j7915</title>
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		<dc:creator>j7915</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 06:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Sunday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said on CNN that he was fed up with the Iraqi government and called it a â€œhuge disappointment,â€ citing the parliamentâ€™s failure to pass an oil revenue bill, hold local elections or meet other benchmarks set by the U.S. Asked about a possible vote on a bill asking U.S. forces to leave, McConnell said: â€œI want to assure you, if they vote to ask us to leave, weâ€™ll be glad to comply with their request.â€

Comment by JT8D-15A â€” May 16, 2007 @ 11:20 pm

So to Bush&#039;s failures we can add the Iraqi puppet regime that can&#039;t or won&#039;t deliver an Oil Law and the prerequisite security to haul off the loot?

Or maybe the Iraqi regime knows that they are history when that law gets passed, and or the US troops leave?

Happened before to the British .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Sunday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said on CNN that he was fed up with the Iraqi government and called it a â€œhuge disappointment,â€ citing the parliamentâ€™s failure to pass an oil revenue bill, hold local elections or meet other benchmarks set by the U.S. Asked about a possible vote on a bill asking U.S. forces to leave, McConnell said: â€œI want to assure you, if they vote to ask us to leave, weâ€™ll be glad to comply with their request.â€</p>
<p>Comment by JT8D-15A â€” May 16, 2007 @ 11:20 pm</p>
<p>So to Bush&#8217;s failures we can add the Iraqi puppet regime that can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t deliver an Oil Law and the prerequisite security to haul off the loot?</p>
<p>Or maybe the Iraqi regime knows that they are history when that law gets passed, and or the US troops leave?</p>
<p>Happened before to the British .<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808223', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus</title>
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		<dc:creator>ValiantVenusGrewFromUranus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 06:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The military traditionally votes Republican. In one recent informal survey of the armed forces and their family members, 72% of respondents said they favored Bush over Democrat John Kerry. Comment by m12 â€” May 16, 2007 @ 11:47 pm&lt;/em&gt;

Didn&#039;t you know that *informal* is code for *unscientific*, otherwise known as *meaningless*?

You really should consult some of those other military polls on their attitudes about Iraq and Bush&#039;s leadership.  But then, if you were interested in the *truth*, you&#039;d already know what those said.

&lt;em&gt;http://www.cnn.com/ ELECTION/ 2004/ pages/ results/ states/ US/ P/ 00/ epolls.0.html
57% of those with military service voted for George W. Bush.
Comment by m12 â€” May 16, 2007 @ 11:47 pm&lt;/em&gt;

With Rush Limbaugh blasting 24/7, and military commanders preaching relentlessly to their troops that *libruls* are anti-military - that&#039;s all they got 57%? With all of that propaganda, and that&#039;s it?

Wow, you wingnuts suck at everything!

More and more have figured out why Liberal congressmen tend to get higher *scores* on their congressional votes lately though.  If that election were held today, it would be so fun to see what the numbers would be...  You&#039;re such a loser m12(is that your age or IQ), grow up child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The military traditionally votes Republican. In one recent informal survey of the armed forces and their family members, 72% of respondents said they favored Bush over Democrat John Kerry. Comment by m12 â€” May 16, 2007 @ 11:47 pm</em></p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you know that *informal* is code for *unscientific*, otherwise known as *meaningless*?</p>
<p>You really should consult some of those other military polls on their attitudes about Iraq and Bush&#8217;s leadership.  But then, if you were interested in the *truth*, you&#8217;d already know what those said.</p>
<p><em><a href="http://www.cnn.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/</a> ELECTION/ 2004/ pages/ results/ states/ US/ P/ 00/ epolls.0.html<br />
57% of those with military service voted for George W. Bush.<br />
Comment by m12 â€” May 16, 2007 @ 11:47 pm</em></p>
<p>With Rush Limbaugh blasting 24/7, and military commanders preaching relentlessly to their troops that *libruls* are anti-military &#8211; that&#8217;s all they got 57%? With all of that propaganda, and that&#8217;s it?</p>
<p>Wow, you wingnuts suck at everything!</p>
<p>More and more have figured out why Liberal congressmen tend to get higher *scores* on their congressional votes lately though.  If that election were held today, it would be so fun to see what the numbers would be&#8230;  You&#8217;re such a loser m12(is that your age or IQ), grow up child.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808214', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JT8D-15A</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT8D-15A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 04:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you say so. Then why spend your time whining about a tiny difference in pay increases? Comment by m12

I don&#039;t. I am pointing out that whatever increase they get is not worth the mental and emotional costs when they get out and that by stop-loss isn&#039;t supporting the troops, it&#039;s supporting a group of people with a terrible idea.

The military traditionally votes Republican. In one recent informal survey of the armed forces and their family members, 72% of respondents said they favored Bush over Democrat John Kerry. -m12

I see little difference between Bush and Kerry. As with your other post you make alot of misleading statements, much like Seixon would do in an effort to obfuscate the issue.  Who voted for Kerry and who didn&#039;t is a moot point as related to this debacle in Iraq or troop pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you say so. Then why spend your time whining about a tiny difference in pay increases? Comment by m12</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t. I am pointing out that whatever increase they get is not worth the mental and emotional costs when they get out and that by stop-loss isn&#8217;t supporting the troops, it&#8217;s supporting a group of people with a terrible idea.</p>
<p>The military traditionally votes Republican. In one recent informal survey of the armed forces and their family members, 72% of respondents said they favored Bush over Democrat John Kerry. -m12</p>
<p>I see little difference between Bush and Kerry. As with your other post you make alot of misleading statements, much like Seixon would do in an effort to obfuscate the issue.  Who voted for Kerry and who didn&#8217;t is a moot point as related to this debacle in Iraq or troop pay.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808142', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid</title>
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		<dc:creator>And You Thought REAGAN Was Stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 04:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously m12 doesn&#039;t really give a cr*p about the troops and certainly doesn&#039;t understand how a raise differs from a reenlistment bonus.  dumba$$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously m12 doesn&#8217;t really give a cr*p about the troops and certainly doesn&#8217;t understand how a raise differs from a reenlistment bonus.  dumba$$<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808136', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JPark</title>
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		<dc:creator>JPark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 04:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Activeduty, thanks for the post.  It is nice to hear from someone with first hand experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Activeduty, thanks for the post.  It is nice to hear from someone with first hand experience.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808127', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: activeduty</title>
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		<dc:creator>activeduty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 04:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Total bonuses I&#039;ve received in the military (12 years) $0.

My housing allowance went down this year (as far as I can tell, they&#039;ve lowered what they consider &#039;adequate&#039; housing).

Medical care is getting worse and worse.  Can&#039;t get a routine appointment at my base that is not at least 2 weeks out... whats the point of going to the doctor then?  They are privatizing medical care... not enough military doctors (something like 25% manned).

Only pilots get bonuses for officers, and not all of them.  Larger pool of enlisted personnel are eligible for bonuses, although very few are eligibile for the maximum bonuses (not to mention bonuses distort the pay scale with lower ranking enlisted earning more than higher ranking enlisted... how&#039;s that for morale?).

The President wanted to lower the family separation allowance.  

m12:  Yes, 57% of military voted for Bush, because Rove et al disenfranchised a bunch of minority military voters who were deployed to Iraq (no one home to respond to voter verification cards)

As for, m12: &quot;A lot of the bonuses are to officers for re-enlistment.&quot;  WTF?  You clearly just cut and paste your military &#039;expertise&#039;.  Officer&#039;s don&#039;t re-enlist (enlisted do).  They&#039;re in the military until they resign their commission or hit max tenure under &#039;up or out&#039; promotion system.  

nuff said</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Total bonuses I&#8217;ve received in the military (12 years) $0.</p>
<p>My housing allowance went down this year (as far as I can tell, they&#8217;ve lowered what they consider &#8216;adequate&#8217; housing).</p>
<p>Medical care is getting worse and worse.  Can&#8217;t get a routine appointment at my base that is not at least 2 weeks out&#8230; whats the point of going to the doctor then?  They are privatizing medical care&#8230; not enough military doctors (something like 25% manned).</p>
<p>Only pilots get bonuses for officers, and not all of them.  Larger pool of enlisted personnel are eligible for bonuses, although very few are eligibile for the maximum bonuses (not to mention bonuses distort the pay scale with lower ranking enlisted earning more than higher ranking enlisted&#8230; how&#8217;s that for morale?).</p>
<p>The President wanted to lower the family separation allowance.  </p>
<p>m12:  Yes, 57% of military voted for Bush, because Rove et al disenfranchised a bunch of minority military voters who were deployed to Iraq (no one home to respond to voter verification cards)</p>
<p>As for, m12: &#8220;A lot of the bonuses are to officers for re-enlistment.&#8221;  WTF?  You clearly just cut and paste your military &#8216;expertise&#8217;.  Officer&#8217;s don&#8217;t re-enlist (enlisted do).  They&#8217;re in the military until they resign their commission or hit max tenure under &#8216;up or out&#8217; promotion system.  </p>
<p>nuff said<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808116', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 04:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iâ€™d love to see m12 share his sentiments with some Marines, because if there is one thing I know for sure, m12 is a pussy.

Comment by VerbalKint â€” May 16, 2007 @ 11:55 pm

I&#039;d buy a ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™d love to see m12 share his sentiments with some Marines, because if there is one thing I know for sure, m12 is a pussy.</p>
<p>Comment by VerbalKint â€” May 16, 2007 @ 11:55 pm</p>
<p>I&#8217;d buy a ticket.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808059', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JPark</title>
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		<dc:creator>JPark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 04:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>m12, I could give you a rough estimate of the number of vets running as Dems vs. Reps in 2006.  But...you won&#039;t like it.  Don&#039;t worry.  Most veteran Republicans didn&#039;t make it past the primaries.  Republicans have a visceral hatred of voting for people with actual military experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m12, I could give you a rough estimate of the number of vets running as Dems vs. Reps in 2006.  But&#8230;you won&#8217;t like it.  Don&#8217;t worry.  Most veteran Republicans didn&#8217;t make it past the primaries.  Republicans have a visceral hatred of voting for people with actual military experience.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=3808058', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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