Army coaching recruits on how to beat drug tests.
By on May 17th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
Army coaching recruits on how to beat drug tests.
“As the war in Iraq rages on, the battle to find new fighting men and women is waged everyday in recruiting offices. Before they can carry a gun or fly a fighter jet, new recruits must pass a drug test.”
The potential recruits are given one chance to pass their drug test when they show up to the Military Entrance Processing Station, but a hidden camera investigation carried out by San Antonio NBC affiliate WOAI caught recruiters volunteering to help recruits ace the drug test at home or in their office before ever heading to MEPS for that official test.
Watch the undercover report:
[flv http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/05/weedout2873.320.240.flv]
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Glad to see some proof of this. It's been going on a long time.
Duh.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:33 pmpersonally, I'd rather just get rid of the drug war completely. In a free society, we all have ownership over our property and our bodies. There is nothing so opposite to freedom as politicians telling YOU what you can eat, drink, or smoke.
Every one of us should be free to do whatever we want with our person or our property, as long as by doing so we don't prevent other people from doing the same....
oh yeah, and on topic, these recruiters are still slimeballs.
Some reading on the drug issue:
"Free from the Nightmare of Prohibition"
May 17th, 2007 at 1:35 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/free_from_the_nightmare_of_prohibition
You anti-Semitic anti-Americans must be happy. Hamas is launching rockets at Israeli schools again. Does it give you pigs that warm fuzzy again?
May 17th, 2007 at 1:36 pmToo bad W didn't have this kind of coaching when he was in the air national guard. Maybe he wouldn't have had to go AWOL.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:38 pmBefore they can carry a gun or fly a fighter jet, new recruits must pass a drug test
by thinkprogress.org
stupid thinkprogress.org, new recruits can never fly a jet fighter!!!!!!!!!
retards only officers can fly jet fighters, Apache helicopters, and such other military flying machines.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:39 pmThere have been other investigative reporters who have caught military recruiters coaching recruits how to beat a drug test.
One enterprising young high school student from here in Colorado did this. He caught recruiters telling him how to beat the drug test by drinking stuff that flushes you out.
One recruiter was even caught on video taking a recruit to a nearby head shop to buy the drug-flushing stuff.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:39 pmHappy Guy,
Why in the world do you think this story would make us happy. I find appalling and depressing. This is what our military has become under the current wackiness? No one is happy about this you idiot!
May 17th, 2007 at 1:39 pmI mean, not to change the subject or anything, but I have this brown spot on my nose. Anyone know of a cure?
May 17th, 2007 at 1:40 pmThis morning, I heard a report about secret documents that the US is trying to overthrow the duly elected government of Palestine because Hamas won the election.
The US is supplying Fatah with guns and ammunition and there is a civil war going on in Palestine as we speak.
And Israel is bombing the Gaza strip, so its a two-way war going on.
Hamas are bad guys, but so is Israel. And so are we, if we are sending guns to Palestine to overthrow their government.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:42 pmhey i may not be able to spell or puncuate properly, but i knoe my militariness
May 17th, 2007 at 1:42 pmDrugged cannon fodder is more compliant....
May 17th, 2007 at 1:42 pmToo bad W didn’t have this kind of coaching when he was in the air national guard. Maybe he wouldn’t have had to go AWOL. - Comment by mikes.
GOOD ONE!!
Chimpy started skipping physicals in 1971, when they started drug testing. Coincidence? I doubt it. Chimpy was taken off flight status for not going to his physical.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:43 pmvaliantthehater,
First of all, nice changing of the subject.
Secondly, aren't officers recruited as well. Before they are officers, they must be recruited and they must pass a drug test. Right?
May 17th, 2007 at 1:44 pmYou can't call TP stupid for that. Its a quote from the network.
Try again, troll.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:45 pmI bet they don't drug test troops in Iraq.
And they have some killer hash.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:45 pmBelt sander should do the trick.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:45 pmim stupid as a stone
May 17th, 2007 at 1:46 pmWow, so water boarding is OK but drugs are immoral? Do I have that correct?
May 17th, 2007 at 1:46 pmretards only officers can fly jet fighters, Apache helicopters, and such other military flying machines.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
Shut it, you f*cking idiot.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:47 pmCome on, just give em each a "Whizzinator" and all will be fine.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:48 pmvaliantthehater,
First of all, nice changing of the subject.
Secondly, aren’t officers recruited as well. Before they are officers, they must be recruited and they must pass a drug test. Right?
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 17, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
99% of the military officers applied to one of the military elite military acadamies and were accepted.
officers are not recruits!!!!
May 17th, 2007 at 1:48 pmDid you know that if a doctor puts you on an anti-depressant as a US citizen you become ineligible, for a federal firearms ID card. Apparently even good drugs are bad!
May 17th, 2007 at 1:49 pmUmmm...
HOW does this square with all YOU upstanding Christian Reicht wing folks?
Gay is sinful and should be abolished...Even though MANY of their priests and politicians commit the same acts!
Abortion is murder...Even when it is uncertain that the fetus exists, and yet, the effort to save the fetus is equal to their firm belief in the death penalty! SAVE THE FETUS TO KILL HIM/HER LATER!!! And oh, while you're at it, destroy all those non used embryo's that could lead to a cure, because if you have a disease or illness, it's God's will!
Murder is fine, as long as it benefits their view...RE: Iraq War, Abortion Clinic Terrorists (oops), I meant Warriors!
Now, what about this? Will this be construted into a plausible argument about saving souls and redeeming these young men and women who would otherwise fail in society...
Sounds Good! God (at least their God) will approve!
May 17th, 2007 at 1:49 pmYes, we know only the wealthy should be allowed to fly taxpayer bought equipment.
Oh and you are the retard for not knowing what TP writes and what is quoted from another source.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:49 pmYou can’t call TP stupid for that. Its a quote from the network.
Try again, troll.
Comment by Tom3 — May 17, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
of course we can call TP what it is, full of stupid bloggers, that blog about utter stupidity.
they put up the quote as fact!
well it is a FACT that jet fighter pilots are NOT recruits.
get to know the military and its structure before you defend this piece of crap site.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:49 pmI mean, not to change the subject or anything, but I have this brown spot on my nose. Anyone know of a cure? - Comment by Happy Guy
Sure, take your nose out of Chimpy's butt.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:50 pmI love it when someone uses my name. It means I WON. I got to you to the point where not only could you not ignore me, but you had to fake your name for a response.
Hamas just launched rockets at a school. I did not see that thread started on this terrorist loving site so I made coment on the latest thread.
Glad I got a rise out of some poor pu$$y a$$hole
ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL
I win
ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL
May 17th, 2007 at 1:50 pmBritish Army LSD experiments on soldiers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDc3XjxiUvs
watch this I see no wrong in letting troops take LSD
HA HA HA HA HA So funny
May 17th, 2007 at 1:51 pmretards only officers can fly jet fighters, Apache helicopters, and such other military flying machines.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
Shut it, you f*cking idiot.
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
and the retard speaks.....Zooey, since you have nothing intelligent to say, you must act like the poor fool you are.
child, i told you yesterday, make me. tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock
we all know how much you "tolerant", "open minded" left wingers "love" opposing view points.
retard
May 17th, 2007 at 1:51 pm#3 Actually if rockets had to be fired at anyone I would prefer that it be Hamas smoking the Israeli's. You might want to try your diatribe somewhere else.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:51 pmwe should all be like Holland - fantastic country
May 17th, 2007 at 1:51 pmAnother troll error.
The officer corps in the US is not 99% from service academies.
There is a significant number of reserve officers who went to ROTC.
Thank God they're not all "ring knockers".
May 17th, 2007 at 1:52 pmYou anti-Semitic anti-Americans must be happy. Hamas is launching rockets at Israeli schools again. Does it give you pigs that warm fuzzy again?
Comment by Happy Guy — May 17, 2007 @ 1:36 pm
Most Liberals get all fuzzy inside and a smile appears on their face when they hear that Hamas is trying to murder Israeli children.
The problem is that Liberals are too cowardly to go themselves and fight the Israeli army, in this case throw bombs at an Israeli school.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:52 pm#3 Actually if rockets had to be fired at anyone I would prefer that it be Hamas smoking the Israeli’s. You might want to try your diatribe somewhere else.
this is shit If this had happened it would be all over the papaers in fact its the other way round .....Isrealis have been Bombing Palestine with warplanes http://english.aljazeera.net/English
May 17th, 2007 at 1:54 pmActually a lot of pilots ARE recruits.
Helicopters are often flown by warrant officers recruited from the ranks.
So it is quite possible for a recruit to become a pilot.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:54 pm#3 Actually if rockets had to be fired at anyone I would prefer that it be Hamas smoking the Israeli’s. You might want to try your diatribe somewhere else.
Comment by Ben Dover — May 17, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Thanks for proving my point. As I said, Liberals throw parties and smile when they here that Hamas is killing Israeli children.
Liberals only care about Iraqi and Palestinian children, the rest can go to hell, according to their wacked out "logic".
May 17th, 2007 at 1:54 pmIn this one valiant is correct. By "offiers" he is referring to commissioned officers. Commissioned officers are the guys who have rich parents that send them to West Point. Most of them are hated by the average "enlisted soldier" and "non-commsioned officers" (aka Sgt). Proof of this is in the invention of the term "frag"
If you ever call an NCO "sir" they will come back with "Don't call me sir maggot, I work for a living!"
May 17th, 2007 at 1:55 pm#30, I know. It is just hard to get anyone on this site to outwardly admit they are anti-Semitic anti-American, troop hating, terrorist loving, George Soro's dick sucking little pu$$ies.
But thank you for standing up when called upon.
ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL
May 17th, 2007 at 1:55 pm# 33. And when are you leaving for Tel Aviv, valiant?
May 17th, 2007 at 1:55 pmYou anti-Semitic anti-Americans must be happy. Hamas is launching rockets at Israeli schools again. Does it give you pigs that warm fuzzy again? Comment by Happy Guy
Most Liberals get all fuzzy inside and a smile appears on their face when they hear that Hamas is trying to murder Israeli children. The problem is that Liberals are too cowardly to go themselves and fight the Israeli army, in this case throw bombs at an Israeli school. Comment by valiantthelover
Don't you just LOVE how the trolls put words in your mouth?
What a bunch of bullshit.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:55 pmAnother troll error.
The officer corps in the US is not 99% from service academies.
There is a significant number of reserve officers who went to ROTC.
Thank God they’re not all “ring knockersâ€.
Comment by Tom3 — May 17, 2007 @ 1:52 pm
wrong, the majority of the military officers come from the military academies.
and my point still stands, fuck head.......officers are NOT recruits.
go ask anyone in the military.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:56 pmvaliantthelover - send a link - its bullshit
May 17th, 2007 at 1:56 pm# 38. Of all of those epithets i'm only anti-semitic. The rest dont fit me or most others. Try redstate.com where you're loved. OK?
May 17th, 2007 at 1:57 pmIm sitting here right now smoking a big joint of Manali Cream does that Mean I cannot get national service - oh well then
May 17th, 2007 at 1:57 pmYou do know that the term "got a rise" refers to a hard on right? So, you are happy about giving a guy a hard on? Way to go.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:58 pmLetting in drug addicts?
What's next? Homosexuals?
"When you see someone else looking at a Playboy magazine... act interested."
May 17th, 2007 at 1:58 pm99% of the military officers applied to one of the military elite military acadamies and were accepted.
officers are not recruits!!!!
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
In this one valiant is correct. By “offiers†he is referring to commissioned officers. Commissioned officers are the guys who have rich parents that send them to West Point. Most of them are hated by the average “enlisted soldier†and “non-commsioned officers†(aka Sgt). Proof of this is in the invention of the term “fragâ€
If you ever call an NCO “sir†they will come back with “Don’t call me sir maggot, I work for a living!â€
Comment by Spudge_Boy — May 17, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
officers have rich parents? some, but not all my friend. I can guarantee you that.
many officers do come from a long list of family members who were military and more likely officers like them. But there are quite a few officers that were never rich, don't have this tradition. And some officeres actually rose through the ranks, rare, but it happens.
still, officers are NOT recruits.
that is a huge, huge mistake by TP.
furthemore, 99% of the officers that fly jeft fighters, went through Colorado Springs. No jet fighter pilot is a recruit.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:59 pmLove, hate, whatever. It all flows together at some point.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:59 pmAnd it is even harder to get right wing nut jobs to admit that they are brown shirt wearing neo Nazi scum bag co*k sucking closeted gay wussies that won't join the military, for fear that they might piss their pants in public.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:00 pmDon’t you just LOVE how the trolls put words in your mouth?
What a bunch of bullshit.
Comment by Tom3 — May 17, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! a liberal crying and whinning about words being put in their mouth?! this has to be the funniest thing I have read on here in a long time!
hahahahahahahahahaha!!! look in the mirror, read TP, read other left wing sites, they do this all the time.
stop crying kid....
May 17th, 2007 at 2:01 pmThis is what our military has become under the current wackiness? No one is happy about this you idiot!
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 17, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
This is nothing new. It happened before Iraq and before Bush too. It is one of the oldest recruiter tricks out there.
I bet they don’t drug test troops in Iraq.
And they have some killer hash.
Comment by Tom3 — May 17, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
I'll take your bet! I took 3 drug tests over there. What did I win?
May 17th, 2007 at 2:01 pmComment by Spudge_Boy
The service academies are free of charge, given honorable service. Your parents don't have to be rich in order for you to be accepted. And you can't buy your way through the admissions office, either.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:02 pmno Hamas rockets hit a school thats bullshit - prove it you cant it never happened
Actually Isreali warplanes bombed Palestine today that fact
At least four Palestinians have been killed in a series of air strikes across the Gaza Strip.
http://english.aljazeera.net/English
valiantthelover - back up your propaganda with a link - its your usual bullshit
May 17th, 2007 at 2:03 pmJust because there is an exception to the rule doesn't ivaildate the rule. I know, I served and you haven't
I never said they were dumb sh!t.
And once again, it is a quote from another source. So, your argument is idiotic.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:04 pmhahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Comment by valiantthelover
Heh.
See how easy is to type two letters consecutively but offering proof of whatever stupidity you claim is NOT?
May 17th, 2007 at 2:04 pmActually a lot of pilots ARE recruits.
Helicopters are often flown by warrant officers recruited from the ranks.
So it is quite possible for a recruit to become a pilot.
Comment by Tom3 — May 17, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
NO! Jet fighter pilots are NOT recruits as TP claims above.
retard, a helicopter is NOT a jet fighter, you might want to get back our college money kid.
An F-22 Raptor is no where near being a Huey helicopter.
get a clue and an education.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:04 pmvaliantthelover or jake - both attention seekers
If we ignored these idiots they would not get the attention they seek and go away
May 17th, 2007 at 2:04 pmBoy, we got to you today! Hey Spudge Boy, how does George's dick taste?
ROTFL
May 17th, 2007 at 2:05 pmROTFL
ROTFL
ROTFL
ROTFL
valiantthelover - back up your propaganda with a link - its your usual bullshit
Comment by Tobey Tall
Tobey, you are trying to INFORM a troll. Wasted time.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:06 pmYou should also be happy you got your immagration bill today. You criminal buddies have a pathway for voting DemoRat now.
Of course if you read it, it is not that great for them after all. Kind of a don't ask don't tell win. You people are losers
ROTFL,ROTFL,ROTFL,ROTFL,ROTFL,ROTFL
May 17th, 2007 at 2:06 pmComment by Spudge_Boy
The service academies are free of charge, given honorable service. Your parents don’t have to be rich in order for you to be accepted. And you can’t buy your way through the admissions office, either.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 17, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
Exactly!!! CompTroller V-1.......YOu have to get a recommendation from your Congressman and/or Senator in order to be even considered for the academy.
Rich or poor, anyone can go to the military academies. Rich kids have gone and poor kids have gone. What the militiary looks for is grades, SAT, ACT scores. Just like any other college. the nice thing about the academies is that unliek all other colleges, you don't pay tuition.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:07 pmchild, i told you yesterday, make me. tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock
You're calling ME a child? Good one.
retard
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Wow. That's "tolerant."
F*cking idiot.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:07 pmAt least 32 people were injured, including a number of children, when an F-16 fighter jet "decimated" the Executive Force building in central Gaza City, Al Jazeera's Nour Odeh said.
valiantthelover get your facts right it was the other way round NOW lets hear an apology - you wanker
May 17th, 2007 at 2:07 pmI speak from personal experience, unlike our trolls.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:07 pmTODAY
At least 32 people were injured, including a number of children, when an F-16 fighter jet "decimated" the Executive Force building in central Gaza City, Al Jazeera's Nour Odeh said.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4B9DB2E7-53F8-48C8-BD90-2DA8369D0E07.htm
May 17th, 2007 at 2:08 pmvaliantthelover or jake - both attention seekers
If we ignored these idiots they would not get the attention they seek and go away
Comment by Tobey Tall — May 17, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
I am sorry that the truth hurst, stupid British pig.
kid, sorry, your godly organization Hamas is full of monsters, terrorists. Hamas today bombed an Israeli school. Bury your head in the sand, stupid British pig. I have always known that pigs like you love it when Hamas kills Israeli children.
you hypocrite. You Libtards cry about Iraqi childen supposedly being purposedly killed by American troops, yet you applaud Hamas when they do do it in purpose.
You are an embarrasment to the Britons, you disgusting pig.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:09 pmI wouldn't know, but I will bet George Bush could give you a description, sicne he sucks Jeff Gannon's d!ck on a regular basis.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:10 pmTODAY
At least 32 people were injured, including a number of children, when an F-16 fighter jet “decimated†the Executive Force building in central Gaza City, Al Jazeera’s Nour Odeh said.
http://english.aljazeera.net/ NR/ exeres/ 4B9DB2E7-53F8-48C8-BD90-2DA8369D0E07.htm
Comment by Tobey Tall — May 17, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Yeah, let's believe the propaganda that the terrorist organization Al-Jeezera puts out.
stupid, stupid, stupid Liberals. You are embarrasing yourself, stupid Briton.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:10 pmOk, we're allowing this thread to be all about valiantthegoatlover, let's stop doing that!
May 17th, 2007 at 2:10 pmBritish Army LSD experiments on soldiers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDc3XjxiUvs
This is funny
May 17th, 2007 at 2:11 pmROTFL...
May 17th, 2007 at 2:12 pmI gotta run now 'cause my mom wants me to clean my room.
But I'll be back after I have a Hot Pocket!!!!!!!
The service academies are free of charge, given honorable service. Your parents don’t have to be rich in order for you to be accepted. And you can’t buy your way through the admissions office, either.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 17, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
I speak from personal experience, unlike our trolls.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — May 17, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! what happened Spudge_boy, thrown out of the academies and now you are mad. You were good enough to fly jeft fighter planes and now you are out for revenge?
retard, play with GI Joes is NOT being in the military. Tell you mommy to stop ptelliing you that you are a soldier when you defeat Cobra Commander, ok?
GI Joe, GO!!! hahahahahaha!!!!!
May 17th, 2007 at 2:12 pmDo the trolls realize that using "LOL," "ROFL" and other text messaging slang in every single post makes them look like 13 year olds?
But then again, my 13 year old doesn't even use that stupid sh!t.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:13 pmOk, we’re allowing this thread to be all about valiantthegoatlover, let’s stop doing that!
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 2:10 pm
Of course not because Zooey the retard wants it to be all about her.
poor, stupid, intolerant fool.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:13 pm#61 Hey Toby, did you just quote Al Jazeera’s
You Quote the main Terrorist propoganda arm of media and expect what?
ROTFL
May 17th, 2007 at 2:13 pmWell, I didn't actually read tyhe article because i cant read, but i heard Rush talking about it on the radio.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:13 pmCould you imagine you son serving in a unit full of crackheads?
May 17th, 2007 at 2:15 pmOf course not because Zooey the retard wants it to be all about her.
poor, stupid, intolerant fool.
Comment by valiantthelover
You have a problem with consistency, moron.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:15 pmhahahahahahahahahaha!!!
Comment by valiantthelover
Heh.
See how easy is to type two letters consecutively but offering proof of whatever stupidity you claim is NOT?
Comment by Juan C — May 17, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
oh stop whinning and crying about offering proof. You guys offer none. I have told you time an dtime again, when ALL of you LIbtards offer proof of your wacked out mis-information, I will provide links to my information.
until then go cry to someone that cares.
man, I have told you time and time again, you are an embarrasment to our race Juanito.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:16 pmwhy does it burn when I go pee pee?
May 17th, 2007 at 2:16 pmOh yeah and I was in the Field Artillery.
Flyboys don't do any work. I wanted to actually work when I served my country.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:16 pmI win again. Every time one of you posts youing my alias I get so happy I want to hang out here forever.
ROTFL
At least you tried to change the topic away from admitting you support terrorists.
ROTFL - Losers - ROTFL
May 17th, 2007 at 2:17 pmmy mom needs to use the computer. I[ll be back later retard
May 17th, 2007 at 2:17 pmComment by valiantthelover
Shut up, you speak from your ass
May 17th, 2007 at 2:18 pmvaliantthe'lover',
How can you call people intolerant when you call them things like "poor, stupid, fool, stupid, stupid, stupid Liberals, stupid Briton, disgusting pig, retard, Liberals throw parties and smile when they here that Hamas is killing Israeli children."
I don't see much tolerance in any of these statements. Do you?
May 17th, 2007 at 2:18 pmHey valiant, come out of the basement, we all know you are running short on Mountain Dew and cheetos. It's adult time now...
May 17th, 2007 at 2:18 pmWhat did you do in the military Spooge Tard? Did you server like Kerry? You know, shoot yourself until you could get out? ROTFL.
No, you would not want to get out. You joined for the MEN! Did it make you hot being with a bunch or real men? I'm sure you were everyone's bitch.
ROTFL
May 17th, 2007 at 2:19 pmEasy Spudge....I'm AF, and I work plenty! (on occasion)
May 17th, 2007 at 2:19 pm1. You don't have to be an officer to fly Army helicopters.
2. It is completely untrue that 99% of officers were from the academies, and even those that were did not need to be "elites" as they are free.
3. Recruitment happens before you are allowed to fly things, officer or not. Therefore the original statement was fine.
4. I wasted way too much time responding to a borderline illiterate and certainly irrational moron.
me
May 17th, 2007 at 2:19 pmROTFL!!!!!!!
May 17th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI gotta run...Jerry Springer is on!!!!!!!!
my mom needs to use the computer. I[ll be back later retard
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
Obviously I got under someone skins....hahahahahaha!!!
Kids, I told you, TP is full of lies, they can't even be honest about the fact that jet fighter pilots are NOT recruits.
how sad, how truly, truly sad.
then we have the stupid Briton quoting Al-jeezera as a real news source.
Man, you poor, stupid, Liberals, you are embarrassing yourselves kids, you truly are.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:20 pmeveryone is missing the truth - The recruiter in this video is NOT coaching the recruit how to beat the drug test. He is merely pre-screening applicants. As in - I won't send you to take the MEPS drug test until you prove to me that you are not using drugs. The recruiter is merely doing his job. This whole story is a twisted mess of lies. Guess what - civilians do drugs, and you can't do drugs in the military, therefore the recruiter is making sure his recruits are clean. Good for him.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI dont see the problem with this. DOD requires they be drug free when they enter, so let them take the test as many times as it takes to show they are drug free. If they take drugs later, they get kicked out!
May 17th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI work at Taco Bell. FREE Chalupas!
May 17th, 2007 at 2:21 pmI win again. Every time one of you posts youing my alias I get so happy I want to hang out here forever.
ROTFL
At least you tried to change the topic away from admitting you support terrorists.
ROTFL - Losers - ROTFL
Comment by Happy Guy — May 17, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
yeah, these poor bastards are doing the same thing to me. how sad for them, how truly sad for them.
they can't win on the facts so they try to use other dirty tactics to win.
I am truly embarrassed for them.
I kind of pity them.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:21 pmYou Quote the main Terrorist propoganda arm of media and expect what?
Comment by Happy Guy
From here:
Founded in 1996, and based in Qatar, the Al Jazeera news network is the fastest growing network among Arab communities and Arabic speaking people around the world.
Isnt a US military base in Qatar? mmmm...do they complain about the terrorists in Qatar?
Happy idiot.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:21 pmI like wearing my mom's underwear.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:22 pmEasy Spudge….I’m AF, and I work plenty! (on occasion)
Comment by Craig Mack — May 17, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
Mack, can Jet fighter pilots be recruits? please educate this crowd.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:22 pmi dropped out of school in the third grade and joined the circus. I was known as "Idiot Boy".
May 17th, 2007 at 2:23 pmSpudge...
Homosexual (oops) Happy Guy is clearly delusional, so let's move on to more credible people...
I mean, why argue with somone with an IQ of 80 or less? I mean, he admires BUSH, so the bar has been set very low, and to argue against STUPIDITY validates his/her/its existence...
So let's just let Happy Guy go back to his admiration of HAGGART, FOLEY, DELAY, and others, and we will be fine...
================================================
But on a more serious note, WHY do they bring up ISRAEL & HAMAS? I'm sorry, but I really DO NOT care about their problems, because HAMAS has not done anything to the U.S.!!! OSAMA anyone??? Hello???
If they bombed a school, then retaliation against THAT terrorist organization is warranted! Does that mean they are going to assist in Iraq?
What dumb*sses!!!
May 17th, 2007 at 2:23 pmWTF?
Are you implying that all of the people that serve in the military are gay?
Wow, now we all KNOW you haven't served your country pu$$y.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:23 pmIf I bend over really far, I can lick my own wee wee!!!!!!
May 17th, 2007 at 2:24 pmROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
i lost my virginity to a goat.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:25 pmLiberals only care about Iraqi and Palestinian children, the rest can go to hell, according to their wacked out “logicâ€.
Comment by valiantthelover
Soros, who funds TP, is Jewish VTL and Happy Guy. Palestine is where Christianity got it's start VTL. Did you stop to think of that? You talk about being anti-semitic when the fact is Arabs (sunni shia) are semites. If anything you are anti-semitic.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI take showers with my gym teacher.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:26 pmThey bring up Hamas, because just like George Bush and the rest of the cabal, their loyalty does not lie with the US.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:26 pmMack, can Jet fighter pilots be recruits? please educate this crowd.
Comment by valiantthelover
Wasnt the other way around? Can recruits be Jet fighter pilots?
Oh, education...irony of life.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:26 pmuntil then go cry to someone that cares.
man, I have told you time and time again, you are an embarrasment to our race Juanito.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
TP doesn't imply that all recruits will be flying jets or helicopters, only that if they were to so they would have to pass a drug test. You're waging a pointless battle here arguing a non-issue. The larger issue is that recruiters are actively circumventing their own policies to put our young men and women in harm's way. Is this for finiancial gain? Perhaps. Is it wrong? Yes.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:27 pmYou Quote the main Terrorist propoganda arm of media and expect what?
Comment by Happy Guy
From here:
Founded in 1996, and based in Qatar, the Al Jazeera news network is the fastest growing network among Arab communities and Arabic speaking people around the world.
Isnt a US military base in Qatar? mmmm…do they complain about the terrorists in Qatar?
Happy idiot.
Comment by Juan C — May 17, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
actually, YES!! idiota! or do you forget when Qatar was going to take over the our ports the uproar from Congress, as well as from LIberal and conservative pundits about Qatar taking over security of our ports? and why? because there is terrorist living in Qatar!!!
you don't get out much do you?
incredible that the idiots that attack Foxnews turn around and quote a terrorist organization like Al-Jeezera.
what a bunch of idiots, honestly. You guys need to be embarrased for yourselves.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:28 pmValian, don't expect me to come to your aid, you mental midget. TYPICALY, pilots do go to the academy. HOWEVER, I have several people I know that were prior enlisted that are now fighter jockeys. And BTW valiant, a large percentage of the heavy pilots (C5's, 17s, ect)are NOT academy grads, rather they are simply commisioned officers that CAME THROUGH THE MEPS STATION JUST LIKE SPUDGE AND I DID.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:28 pmIf you were any more stupid you would have to be watered....
I have a hidden camera in my bathroom so I can secretly watch my sister go peepee.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:28 pmWhile I dislike bozos like Happy Guy and VTL, I disapproe namejacking...although some of those posts are funny. :)
May 17th, 2007 at 2:29 pmI put peanut butter on my weewee and let my doggy lick it off.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:30 pmFor the record, namejacking in all its forms is pathetic.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:30 pmWhy is it Spudge Boy and not Spuge Man? Oh, that's right, it is Spuge Bitch!
ROTFL
I am saying [if] you joined you did it to shower with men. You like Bill [the rapist] Clintons policy of keeping your mouth either shut or full of dick.
ROTFL
You people are haters. You hate Jews, Christians, American, Troops . . . All you talk about is how much you hate. So go to the ocuntry you like.
And please take Ted Kennedy with you.
ROTFL
May 17th, 2007 at 2:30 pmincredible that the idiots that attack Foxnews turn around and quote a terrorist organization like Al-Jeezera.
Im going to ask you to prove that Al-Jazeera is a terrorist organization. Im gonna wait. Tic, tac, tic, tac, tic, tac...
who wants to bet he goes Poof!?
you don’t get out much do you?
May 17th, 2007 at 2:32 pmComment by valiantthelover
I have a tan.
I bought 100 acres of property on the moon, so you won't have me to kick around much longer!!!!!!!
May 17th, 2007 at 2:33 pmReally, TP draws some of the most historically and politically inept trolls ever. (Happy Guy, VTH, V V, Patrick, Michael)
THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION
"Christianity started out in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; ...
http://www.religioustolerance.org/christ.htm
Guess what - civilians do drugs, and you can’t do drugs in the military, therefore the recruiter is making sure his recruits are clean. Good for him. Comment by Andy Trotter
Thats patently false. The reason for flush kits is to pass the drug test not to stop doing drugs.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:33 pm(sing this one with me)
I got me, under your skin -
ROTFL
May 17th, 2007 at 2:33 pmWhile I dislike bozos like Happy Guy and VTL, I disapproe namejacking…although some of those posts are funny. :)
Comment by Juan C — May 17, 2007 @ 2:29 pm
I put peanut butter on my weewee and let my doggy lick it off.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
For the record, namejacking in all its forms is pathetic.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
When Liberals can't win an argument....well, they hijack names. Sad, sad.
Thansk for proving that Liberals are not smart enough to win a debate.
Sorry to teach you that a jet fighter pilot CAN NEVER BE a recruit.
TP, you are embarrassing yourselves and the left wing.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:33 pmactually, YES!! idiota! or do you forget when Qatar was going to take over the our ports the uproar from Congress, as well as from LIberal and conservative pundits about Qatar taking over security of our ports? and why? because there is terrorist living in Qatar!!!
Um, that was Dubai, Einstein. Not Qatar...
May 17th, 2007 at 2:34 pmSorry to teach you that a jet fighter pilot CAN NEVER BE a recruit.
TP, you are embarrassing yourselves and the left wing.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Have someone read the article to you. TP makes no such claim. It only says that if they were to fly a jet, they would have to have a drug test first.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:36 pmValian, don’t expect me to come to your aid, you mental midget. TYPICALY, pilots do go to the academy. HOWEVER, I have several people I know that were prior enlisted that are now fighter jockeys. And BTW valiant, a large percentage of the heavy pilots (C5’s, 17s, ect)are NOT academy grads, rather they are simply commisioned officers that CAME THROUGH THE MEPS STATION JUST LIKE SPUDGE AND I DID.
If you were any more stupid you would have to be watered….
Comment by Craig Mack — May 17, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
retard, jet fighter pilots are NOT the C-17, C5s, etc. Please point out, Libtard, at what point have I ever claimed that the heavy pilots are officers? c'mon retard, tick, tock, tick, tock............
Jet fighter pilots, 99.9% of them are NOT and never were recruits! Most if not all had to go through Colorado Springs, where the Air Force Academy is.
I smell a lie, you aren't in the AF, you would know this.
A recruit can never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever fly a jet fighter pilot.
try again, retard.
talking about mental midgets.....looked in the mirror lately. Man you are stupid and yes the mental midget. Stop projecting your stupidity unto others.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:36 pmUAE, Qatar, Yemen, etc. aren't they all really the same to the right-wing.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:38 pmincredible that the idiots that attack Foxnews turn around and quote a terrorist organization like Al-Jeezera.
Im going to ask you to prove that Al-Jazeera is a terrorist organization. Im gonna wait. Tic, tac, tic, tac, tic, tac…
who wants to bet he goes Poof!?
you don’t get out much do you?
Comment by valiantthelover
I have a tan.
Comment by Juan C — May 17, 2007 @ 2:32 pm
Anyone with an IQ over 100 knows that Al-Jeezera is a terrorist organization.
I am sorry for you kid.
the prove is in their reporting, who reports for them and what they report.
please Juan for your own sake, please get an education. You will stop sounding so incredibly stupid.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:38 pmNotice how the trolls change to an unrelated subject, to disrupt discussion on the actual issue?
Fact is that these recruiters are violating policy. period.
Sorry for the interuption with something actually on topic.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:38 pmYou will now be returned back to the troll comedy hour, here at TP
You people are haters. You hate Jews, Christians, American, Troops . . . All you talk about is how much you hate. So go to the ocuntry you like. -Happy Gay
I don't confuse religious ideology with political ideology. You seem to be stuck in pundit parrot land. The fact is just as many Democrats are religious as those who vote Republican. You can drop the act.
Theres only one type of person in this world I don't much cotton up to, and thats people who make statements without thinking. In other words people like you Happy Guy. Nothing you have said here makes sense or is true, your just trying to stick your guesswork, or opinions, onto others as if it's truth. It's not.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:39 pmVTL,
By saying this:
Jet fighter pilots, 99.9% of them are NOT and never were recruits! Most if not all had to go through Colorado Springs, where the Air Force Academy is.
you acknowledge that recruited fighter pilots exist...in fact, according to you, out of 1000 fighter pilots, 1 is a recruit. Care to revise?
May 17th, 2007 at 2:39 pmSorry to teach you that a jet fighter pilot CAN NEVER BE a recruit.
TP, you are embarrassing yourselves and the left wing.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
Have someone read the article to you. TP makes no such claim. It only says that if they were to fly a jet, they would have to have a drug test first.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
Please erock, this is a misleading argument and arrticle!
jet fighter pilots don't get tested for drugs in MEPS! never have, and never will!!!
jet fighter pilots are NOT recruited by recruiting officers!
as the arcticle implies.
TP is lying as usual.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:40 pmA recruit can never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever fly a jet fighter pilot.
Comment by valiantthelover
Maybe, with another ever, it will sound more convincing.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:41 pmValianthehater(bater) and Happy Dude.
Congrats dude(ettes)! You've successfully derailed the thread, without adding any informative posts, or debates.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:41 pmYa'll must be so proud.
How's it feel to be both in an afterglow of post self coitus?
and no, don't pass the kleenex!
Have someone read the article to you. TP makes no such claim. It only says that if they were to fly a jet, they would have to have a drug test first.
Comment by erock
It makes no difference to that one. He's just here to spew bile.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:42 pmplease Juan for your own sake, please get an education. You will stop sounding so incredibly stupid.
Comment by valiantthelover
Another claim goes without proof. Im shocked... ;)
May 17th, 2007 at 2:42 pmA recruit can never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever fly a jet fighter pilot.
try again, retard. -VTL
You should check your posts before posting them. Calling people retarded when you write as above, is well, you know.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:42 pmGood for them, its clear the war on drugs is just another failed policy from conservatives playing loose with the word WAR. CLINTON USED WEED, W IS A EX COKE HEAD, OBAMA ECT ECT. THEN CONSIDER WE PROBABLY ONLY HEAR ONE TENTH OF THIS TYPE OF STUFF AT BEST.
JUST BE SURE WE AS A SOCIETY KEEP TURNING A BLIND EYE TO THE MOST DEADLY, USELESS, EXPENSIVE, ADDICTIVE DRUG EVER CONCIEVED THATS FOR SALE IN EVERY GROCERY STORE AND CONVENIENCE STORE IN THIS NATION, TOBACCO!
May 17th, 2007 at 2:42 pmMaybe, with another ever, it will sound more convincing.
Comment by Juan C
Yeah, he almost had me there.....
May 17th, 2007 at 2:43 pmHow’s it feel to be both in an afterglow of post self coitus?
and no, don’t pass the kleenex!
Comment by DRxJ
Blech.
Heh.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:44 pmvaliantthe’lover’,
How can you call people intolerant when you call them things like “poor, stupid, fool, stupid, stupid, stupid Liberals, stupid Briton, disgusting pig, retard, Liberals throw parties and smile when they here that Hamas is killing Israeli children.â€
I don’t see much tolerance in any of these statements. Do you?
May 17th, 2007 at 2:47 pmBush, as "The Commander Guy" would certainly support the cheating these folks are encouraged to do to pass the drug test. Bush himself is known to have done cocaine. He likes to characterize that as "youthful indiscretion." Of course, the rest of us grew up long before we were 40. Bush is still waiting to outgrow his youth.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:48 pmI don’t see much tolerance in any of these statements. Do you?
Comment by Crump's Brother
it all shows what we already know, valientthehater is a hypocrite.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:49 pmA recruit can never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever fly a jet fighter pilot
try again, retard.
Comment by valianttheloverofchildren — May 17, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
Sometimes, it helps to know the education level of one who wishes to debate (pffft!)
May 17th, 2007 at 2:50 pmI think the highlighted subject above answers that!
Maybe, with another ever, it will sound more convincing.
Comment by Juan C
Yeah, he almost had me there…..
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
How’s it feel to be both in an afterglow of post self coitus?
and no, don’t pass the kleenex!
Comment by DRxJ
Blech.
Heh.
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 2:44 pm
I am not here to convince anyone. I am here to point out to the utter stupidity of individuals like Zooey, Juan C, and the rest of the Libtards.
trying to educate Libtards is a waste of time. It is easier to teach a monkey sign language than to teach Libetards how to stop being tools, sheeps, robots, drooling zombies of the left.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:50 pmTP is lying as usual.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Again (and probably again and again ....) TP makes no such claim. Even if they were (which they're not) you yourself have claimed that 99.9% of fighter pilots are not recruits. Thus proving the imaginary point that you are arguing against. Further, whether fighter pilots are on drugs or not is not the issue, (in reality many fighter pilots take amphetamines to allow them to stay awake during long missions) the issue is that recruiters are acting in contradiction to an army policies.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:52 pmBecause I have been using that nickname since before you were born and I was still a boy. But, I am not so little anymore. But, I like when punks like you are under the impression that I am in some way small or weak. It is called camouflage. You would know something about that if you had served in the military.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:52 pmvaliantthe’lover’,
How can you call people intolerant when you call them things like “poor, stupid, fool, stupid, stupid, stupid Liberals, stupid Briton, disgusting pig, retard, Liberals throw parties and smile when they here that Hamas is killing Israeli children.â€
I don’t see much tolerance in any of these statements. Do you?
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 17, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
i treat Libetards as they treat those they disagree with. Unlike the left wingers of america, I have never claimed to be tolerant, open minded, etc, etc.
It is the left who constantly goes on television, radio, etc and claims to be tolerant, open minded people, when it is obvious that they are not.
libertards are only tolerant and open minded of individuals that think like them and agree with them. they hate anyone that doesn't carry their Liberal agenda.
these re facts of lives.
Liberals are intolerant and very closed minded. and most of them are full of bigotry against Christianity.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:53 pmAs far as drug tests go this is nothing new. People do it all the time to gain employment.
Hey VTL, how does calling people names [as I did a long time ago in the third grade] make you a lover? Isn't that, free love, a liberal quality?
May 17th, 2007 at 2:57 pmCraig Mack,
I jest with my Flyboy brethren. I have a bunch of AF friends and they say they work all the time (on occasion). : )
May 17th, 2007 at 2:59 pmDid you have a gay Freudian slip there VTH?
May 17th, 2007 at 3:04 pmLiberals are intolerant and very closed minded. and most of them are full of bigotry against Christianity.
Comment by valiantthelover
I am a Christian and have no problems with the people here. Take that chip off your shoulder and stop making such pedantic statements such as 'liberals are all intolerant' It's patently false. I know conservatives that are anti-Jewish. I don't sit here and claim you are because of that.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:05 pmTP is lying as usual.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Just for fun, and because I am a little bored, let's examine TP's statement using symbolic logic.
Here, P represents passing a drug test. J will represent a recruit becoming a fighter pilot.
TP's statement is:
Before they can carry a gun or fly a fighter jet, new recruits must pass a drug test.
This is logically equivalent to (restricted to matters of P and J):
J -> P
Now, if as you claim, recruits never become fighter pilots, then we always have:
-J
Using basic logic, we know that this does not directly imply -P. Rather, applying modus tollens gives us
-P -> -J
Or, not passing a drug test prohibits a recruit from becoming a fighter pilot.
Never does TP's statement lend itself to P -> J, no matter how you much you would like it to.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:11 pmvalintthe'lover'
"i treat Libetards as they treat those they disagree with." No you don't
"Unlike the left wingers of america, I have never claimed to be tolerant, open minded, etc, etc." So you admit to being a close minded?
"It is the left who constantly goes on television, radio, etc and claims to be tolerant, open minded people" The right claims to be otherwise?
"libertards are only tolerant and open minded of individuals that think like them and agree with them. they hate anyone that doesn’t carry their Liberal agenda." False
"these re facts of lives." No they aren't.
"Liberals are intolerant and very closed minded. and most of them are full of bigotry against Christianity." No they aren't.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:16 pmLiberals are intolerant and very closed minded. and most of them are full of bigotry against Christianity.
Comment by valiantthelover
The only Christians I know that act as you do VTH, is the fundamentalists who view themselves as victims, who are hated by everyone (they think) because they are Christians. Try losing that beam in your eye VTL it's mucking up your vision.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:16 pmValiant, where are you getting your facts? Seriously?
As far as you not "believing" me about being in the AF....I don't think i'll be able to go on one minute more thinking I don't have your trust.....(this from the person who CLAIMS to be an attorney, yet can't spell everyday words). As I recall, I have busted you down with facts before, and you just resorted to the typical "you're retarded" response. Is that all you've got??
And Spudge, no offense take, I'm just screwing with ya.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:24 pmActually, I would say I am bigoted against all organized religion, but that doesn't fit VTH's little generalizing he wants to paint us with. If he were to admit that we find just about all religions to be a freakin' joke designed to control the masses of idiots around the world, he would lose the talking point that we hate Christians.
If you don't like me attacking Christianity, then keep it the fu*k out of my Constitutionally secular government morons.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:31 pmLook, its not the fault of the Recruiter! My Wife is a recruiter and I hardly see her. See works from 7am-10pm everyday except Sun. She would rather be in Iraq than do this. The Army says you have to put 2 people in a month or we ruin your carreer. They have to make at least 2 appointments a day or they don't go home at a reasonable time. These guys are under extreme pressure and no one wants to sign up. The pool of possible canidate's for the military is aweful. Most have police records and do take recreational drugs. Lets not forget the Hawks who want this don't sign up! their kids don't sign up. You Repubs want to show your patriotism bring your kids do to the recruitment station, your country needs them! I did it for 10 yrs and so has my wife. Its time to walk the walk and not talk the talk.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:35 pmYou anti-Semitic anti-Americans must be happy. Hamas is launching rockets at Israeli schools again. Does it give you pigs that warm fuzzy again?
Comment by Happy Guy
Not NEARLY as much as had it have been YOU!!!!!
May 17th, 2007 at 3:39 pmStop da Snitchin'
May 17th, 2007 at 3:41 pmyah, i read yesterday that the army is totally infiltrated with street gangs, the Disciples have 20,000 soldiers who are actually murdering other U. S. soldiers. I can only imagine what they're doing to Iraqis.
People, the barbarians are at the door. Better refugee North.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:44 pmI did it for 10 yrs and so has my wife. Its time to walk the walk and not talk the talk.
Comment by Pblocal69 — May 17, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
Sounds like some pretty absurd demands they place on recruiters. Has the pressure to recruit increased since the ill-begotten quagmire in the Middle East started?
May 17th, 2007 at 3:48 pmtrying to educate Libtards is a waste of time. It is easier to teach a monkey sign language than to teach Libetards how to stop being tools, sheeps, robots, drooling zombies of the left.
Comment by valiantthelover
By all means, please stop wasting your time.
Education? Please....you're only here to vent your hate, anger, and massive inferiority complex.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:06 pmSynthetic pee doesn't always work.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:06 pmValiant, where are you getting your facts? Seriously?
As far as you not “believing†me about being in the AF….I don’t think i’ll be able to go on one minute more thinking I don’t have your trust…..(this from the person who CLAIMS to be an attorney, yet can’t spell everyday words). As I recall, I have busted you down with facts before, and you just resorted to the typical “you’re retarded†response. Is that all you’ve got??
And Spudge, no offense take, I’m just screwing with ya.
Comment by Craig Mack — May 17, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
A lawyer? when the hell have I ever claimed on TP to be a lawyer? My poor lying friend, please! put up date, time and post where I have claimed to be a lawyer. Get a clue!
Second, I stand by the FACT that recruits are NOT jet fighter pilots. That jet fighter pilots don't take drug exams in MEPS. This is a ridiculous assertion by TP and those that prepared this hit piece against the military.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:10 pmtrying to educate Libtards is a waste of time. It is easier to teach a monkey sign language than to teach Libetards how to stop being tools, sheeps, robots, drooling zombies of the left.
Comment by valiantthelover
By all means, please stop wasting your time.
Education? Please….you’re only here to vent your hate, anger, and massive inferiority complex.
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
projecting aren't we little Zooey? I am sorry that you have such inferiority complex for being a woman. I pity women like you. such stupid feminazis.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:11 pmTP is lying as usual.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Just for fun, and because I am a little bored, let’s examine TP’s statement using symbolic logic.
Here, P represents passing a drug test. J will represent a recruit becoming a fighter pilot.
TP’s statement is:
Before they can carry a gun or fly a fighter jet, new recruits must pass a drug test.
This is logically equivalent to (restricted to matters of P and J):
J -> P
Now, if as you claim, recruits never become fighter pilots, then we always have:
-J
Using basic logic, we know that this does not directly imply -P. Rather, applying modus tollens gives us
-P -> -J
Or, not passing a drug test prohibits a recruit from becoming a fighter pilot.
Never does TP’s statement lend itself to P -> J, no matter how you much you would like it to.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
wow, your "logic" is completly flawed.
read what TP posted in the article above....they claimed that jet fighter pilots take drug tests at MEPS!
that is a complete and utter lie!
c'mon erock, I know that you are one Liberal that is smarter than the rest of the Liberal idiots that post on TP.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:13 pmCraig Mack,
This idiotic troll is not valiant venus, who claims to be an attorney.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:14 pmThis is a different moronic troll, who has adopted part of vv's name, for whatever reason.
“Liberals are intolerant and very closed minded. and most of them are full of bigotry against Christianity.â€
Actually, I would say I am bigoted against all organized religion, but that doesn’t fit VTH’s little generalizing he wants to paint us with. If he were to admit that we find just about all religions to be a freakin’ joke designed to control the masses of idiots around the world, he would lose the talking point that we hate Christians.
If you don’t like me attacking Christianity, then keep it the fu*k out of my Constitutionally secular government morons.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — May 17, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
Typical Liberal, delusional and believing that the Constiutiton only belongs to him. How truly sad for you!
I guess if you would have during George Washington's time you would have asked him to stay away from "your" Constitution, eh?
stupid, stupid, stupid liberal.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:15 pmprojecting aren’t we little Zooey? I am sorry that you have such inferiority complex for being a woman. I pity women like you. such stupid feminazis.
Comment by valiantthelover
That must be why you're so afraid of women -- we're feminazis.
Scary.....
Go get yourself a hooker. Maybe she'll let you spit on her.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:17 pmerock, Its so bad that soldiers are picked for the recruiting job are told that if you want to get your 20 you need to do 3 yrs or you can get out now and never be able to reenlist. My wife is a medic and they just told her one day her job was changed. then they give them $400 extra a month to drive around and take people out to eat. With gas prices and the amount for meals.we are spending over a grand out of pocket with no compensation. I'm a disabled vet and cant work. We have childern and they never see their mother and this job is a added expense. I hate this duty and so do the other soldiers. if a recruiter cant get anybody in during the month, the command make their lives a living hell. People have no idea how hard this job is. I know recruiters that have been in the worst combat conditions in Iraq,real heros who would rather go back than do this job!
May 17th, 2007 at 4:17 pmGeorge Washington was a Deist, not a Christian. He and the rest of our founding fathers knew that fu*k heads like you would try to ruin our country sooner or later. That is why you people were kicked out of England. King George had enough of your religious zealotry.
Stupid fu*k. Read a book b!tch.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:20 pm15
May 17th, 2007 at 4:25 pmMan it has been a long time since we did. Kinda makes me hate the "freedoms" we enjoy here.
projecting aren’t we little Zooey? I am sorry that you have such inferiority complex for being a woman. I pity women like you. such stupid feminazis.
Comment by valiantthelover
That must be why you’re so afraid of women — we’re feminazis.
Scary…..
Go get yourself a hooker. Maybe she’ll let you spit on her.
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
oh, projecting again little one....I am sorry you are afraid of men and hate them so much.
such unlady like behavior. I pity you my young child.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:36 pmI guess if you would have during George Washington’s time you would have asked him to stay away from “your†Constitution, eh?
George Washington was a Deist, not a Christian. He and the rest of our founding fathers knew that fu*k heads like you would try to ruin our country sooner or later. That is why you people were kicked out of England. King George had enough of your religious zealotry.
Stupid fu*k. Read a book b!tch.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — May 17, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
BwAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!!!
Washington a Deist? BWAHAHAHAHA!!! as I have known since I read the first post from you, you are not an educated person.
moron, fool, poorly informed Libtard! read Washington letters that he wrote while President of the USA, in which he talks about converting the native americans to Christianity!
hahahahahaha!! oh man, such great ignorance, no wonder you are a Liberal Mr. GI Joe.
careful kid, Cobra Commander is going to get you! hahahahaha!!!
May 17th, 2007 at 4:39 pmI hate this duty and so do the other soldiers. if a recruiter cant get anybody in during the month, the command make their lives a living hell. People have no idea how hard this job is. I know recruiters that have been in the worst combat conditions in Iraq,real heros who would rather go back than do this job!
Comment by Pblocal69 — May 17, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
I don't blame you for hating the position. Its also ridiculous that your wife has to pay for job related expenses out of her/your own pocket. Sounds like the Army has done its best to scr*w you over. How long until your wife is allowed to stop being a recruiter?
May 17th, 2007 at 4:41 pmGo get yourself a hooker. Maybe she’ll let you spit on her.
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
Ouch!!! :)
Valiant, I guess you have been kicked in the arse 4 times in this thread: your Qatar/Dubai confusion, the AF issue, Al-Jazeera is a terrorist organization and of course, your irrelevant, incoherent rambling.
I think thats a new troll record in a single thread.
This is why I like Exley.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:42 pmNot George Washington.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:44 pmI guess if you would have during George Washington’s time you would have asked him to stay away from “your†Constitution, eh?
George Washington was a Deist, not a Christian. He and the rest of our founding fathers knew that fu*k heads like you would try to ruin our country sooner or later. That is why you people were kicked out of England. King George had enough of your religious zealotry.
Stupid fu*k. Read a book b!tch.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — May 17, 2007 @ 4:20 pm
You haven't visited Washington DC in a while have you? If you had and had gone to The Mall and to the various memorials there you would have read countless words in which Jefferson, Lincoln and other great men refered to God and Christianity in their letters to the American people.
I also bet that you don't know that our Congress, even today under Democratic Leadership, begins its day with a minister resiting a Christian prayer!
You probably also don't know that our Supreme Court begins its hearings with a Christian prayer!
You probably also don't know that most if not that through court rooms in America you find the words, "In God We Trust" hanging above the judges chair or on a side wall of the court room.
so sad for you, GI Joe. Did mommy drop you too many times on your head?
or did she actually throw you against a wall after she found out she had had a Libtard for a son?
Oh no, I know....you are the product of a butched abortion. Half of your brain stayed in your mommies tummy.
I pit you kid.
You need to take your own advice and open up a book child. You are such an ignorant fool and the sad part is that you don't even know it.
GI Joe, careful Cobra Commander is going to get you! hahahaha!!!
May 17th, 2007 at 4:44 pmGo get yourself a hooker. Maybe she’ll let you spit on her.
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
Ouch!!! :)
Valiant, I guess you have been kicked in the arse 4 times in this thread: your Qatar/Dubai confusion, the AF issue, Al-Jazeera is a terrorist organization and of course, your irrelevant, incoherent rambling.
I think thats a new troll record in a single thread.
This is why I like Exley.
Comment by Juan C — May 17, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
kicked in the ass four times? in your dreams child. Just remember Liberals, Zooey, GI Joe, etc, your best is my worse.
The AF issue, no one has proved me wrong. Jet fighter pilots do not take drug test in MEPS. Jet fighter pilots are NOT consider recruits.
Al-Jeezera IS a terrorist organization, anyone with an IQ over 100 knows this.
Zooey, well she is a insignificant feminazi that I enjoy playing with. She is easily aroused and easily angered. It is fun to play with the mind of simple Liberals like her.
So, once again Juan C, care to repeate your incoherent BS?
I have single handedly taken all of your Libtards and won. NOt that you are going to admit it, but we know that is the FACT.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:47 pmwow, your “logic†is completly flawed.
read what TP posted in the article above….they claimed that jet fighter pilots take drug tests at MEPS!
that is a complete and utter lie!
c’mon erock, I know that you are one Liberal that is smarter than the rest of the Liberal idiots that post on TP.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Where is the logic flawed. All TP said is that a recruit must pass a drug test before being allowed to fly a jet. If recruits never fly jets then TP's statement is still true, it's just superfluous. In the interest of being concise, what they should have said is "If recruits were allowed to fly jets, then they would have to pass a drug test before doing so." The fact that they didn't qualify the statement doesn't make it untrue, just not applicable.
Also, I will reiterate, whether or not recruits are allowed to fly jets is not the issue.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:47 pmNot George Washington.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — May 17, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
Educate yourself son! you are so stupid, such a Liberal, so poorly informed.
read and educate yourself.
“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.â€
May 17th, 2007 at 4:50 pm--George Washington in a speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779
Where is the logic flawed. All TP said is that a recruit must pass a drug test before being allowed to fly a jet. If recruits never fly jets then TP’s statement is still true, it’s just superfluous. In the interest of being concise, what they should have said is “If recruits were allowed to fly jets, then they would have to pass a drug test before doing so.†The fact that they didn’t qualify the statement doesn’t make it untrue, just not applicable.
Also, I will reiterate, whether or not recruits are allowed to fly jets is not the issue.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
Sorry, that is NOT what they said, they said that whether you are a jet fighter pilot or something else in the armed forces you pass a drug exam in MEPS....
this is a complete and utter lie.
Jet Fighter pilots do not take drug exams at MEPS and 99% of them are not recruited like an Airman, private, etc is.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:52 pmI have single handedly taken all of your Libtards and won. NOt that you are going to admit it, but we know that is the FACT.
Comment by valiantthelover
mmmm...no proofs yet, right? *sigh*
May 17th, 2007 at 4:53 pmMore quotes from President George Washington!
education is key Liberals. I am sorry that your left wing leaders have lied to you, poor sheeps of the left!
read and educate yourselves.
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."
"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors."
May 17th, 2007 at 4:56 pmI have single handedly taken all of your Libtards and won. NOt that you are going to admit it, but we know that is the FACT.
Comment by valiantthelover
mmmm…no proofs yet, right? *sigh*
Comment by Juan C — May 17, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
The proof is on this thread, that you aren't smart enough to read and comprehend is your problem.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:57 pmJet Fighter pilots do not take drug exams at MEPS and 99% of them are not recruited like an Airman, private, etc is.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
So there exist recruited fighter pilots. Quod Erat Demonstandum.
Even if you hadn't conceded that point you are wrong.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:57 pm... because you'd have to be on drugs to join the military these days.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:57 pmSorry, that is NOT what they said, they said that whether you are a jet fighter pilot or something else in the armed forces you pass a drug exam in MEPS….
-VTH/VTL
Reading comprehension is not your forte.
May 17th, 2007 at 4:59 pmComment by Bob Loblaw — May 17, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
I love your law blog.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:00 pmJet Fighter pilots do not take drug exams at MEPS and 99% of them are not recruited like an Airman, private, etc is.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
So there exist recruited fighter pilots. Quod Erat Demonstandum.
Even if you hadn’t conceded that point you are wrong.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
No, jet fighter pilots are not recruited, they are chosen from a group of elite individuals that apply to fly jet fighter pilots. It is a very rigorous application and the Air Force, Marines and Navy chose their pilots very careful. They chose the best, of the best of the best.
Jet Fighter pilots are NOT recruited, the military personnel applies to fly jet fighter pilots and the armed forces choses whether to pick them or not.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:01 pmValiantthelover:
May 17th, 2007 at 5:03 pmXYZPDQ your hater is showing
erock,
furthermore, jet fighter pilots is a military position that is only given to officers. Recruits can never and will never fly jet fighter pilots.
Recruits go through MEPS, jet fighter pilots will never go through MEPS.
You need to understand military structure before you keep on claiming that jet fighter pilots go through MEPS.
no jet fighter pilot has ever gone through MEPS.
TP claimed that jet fighter pilots go through MEPS to be tested for drugs. Since jet fighter pilots do not go through MEPS, TP statement is WRONG!
May 17th, 2007 at 5:03 pmSorry, that is NOT what they said, they said that whether you are a jet fighter pilot or something else in the armed forces you pass a drug exam in MEPS….
-VTH/VTL
Reading comprehension is not your forte.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Sorry, wRONG!!!!! you as well as TP are lying. jet fighter pilots do not go through MEPS for anything!!!
does jet fighter pilots are never tested for drugs OR anything else in MEPS.
simple enough for you? man, you Liberals are slow! very, very slow!
May 17th, 2007 at 5:05 pmMore quotes from President George Washington!
education is key Liberals. I am sorry that your left wing leaders have lied to you, poor sheeps of the left!
read and educate yourselves.
“It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.â€
“It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors.â€
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
typical Liberal....
proven wrong and Spudge_Boy runs away like the coward he is. Something tells me that you probably play as Cobra Commander, rather than GI Joe.
how sad for you.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:09 pmvaliantthelover,
Great Work!! You are the man!! No doubt you rise above all debaters.
Just one thing.
"Treaty of Peace and Friendship, signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796 (3 Ramada I, A. H. 1211), and at Algiers January 3, 1797 (4 Rajab, A. H. 1211),"
The agreement's 11th article (out of twelve) reads: "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
In June 1797, the Senate unanimously ratified this treaty, which President Washington negotiated and President John Adams immediately signed into law, making it an authoritative expression of American policy.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:11 pmsimple enough for you? man, you Liberals are slow! very, very slow!
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Let me spell this out for you *real* slow-like.
If a person who is a recruit at one time is chosen to be a fighter pilot, (got that, a recruit who has been selected as an elite individual to fly jets) then that recruit has gone through MEPS. Hence, before flying that jet, he has been drug tested. Therefore, before being allowed to fly a jet, he was drug tested. TP makes no claims about any other jet pilots. Just recruits in general who may or may not become fighter pilots.
I say once more, hopefully for the last time that this is not the issue.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:11 pmsimple enough for you? man, you Liberals are slow! very, very slow!
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Let me spell this out for you *real* slow-like.
If a person who is a recruit at one time is chosen to be a fighter pilot, (got that, a recruit who has been selected as an elite individual to fly jets) then that recruit has gone through MEPS. Hence, before flying that jet, he has been drug tested. Therefore, before being allowed to fly a jet, he was drug tested. TP makes no claims about any other jet pilots. Just recruits in general who may or may not become fighter pilots.
I say once more, hopefully for the last time that this is not the issue.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
you are slow aren't you......no recruit can be a jet fighter pilot!!!!!
wow!!! get a clue and an education.
Once again, maybe with capslock you'll be able to read and comprehend.
NO CURRENT JET FIGHTER PILOT HAS EVER GONE THROUGH MEPS.
erock, just admit you are wrong, you are 100% mistaken on this. Don't be the typical Libtard, admit you are wrong. Have some dignity for goodness sake.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:16 pmvaliantthelover,
Great Work!! You are the man!! No doubt you rise above all debaters.
Just one thing.
“Treaty of Peace and Friendship, signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796 (3 Ramada I, A. H. 1211), and at Algiers January 3, 1797 (4 Rajab, A. H. 1211),â€
The agreement’s 11th article (out of twelve) reads: “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, - as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, - and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.â€
In June 1797, the Senate unanimously ratified this treaty, which President Washington negotiated and President John Adams immediately signed into law, making it an authoritative expression of American policy.
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 17, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
this is great Crump's Brother....now talk about these quotes from George Washington when he was President.
“It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.â€
“It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors.â€
and then there is this one.....
“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.â€
May 17th, 2007 at 5:18 pm–George Washington in a speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779
NO CURRENT JET FIGHTER PILOT HAS EVER GONE THROUGH MEPS.
erock, just admit you are wrong, you are 100% mistaken on this. Don’t be the typical Libtard, admit you are wrong. Have some dignity for goodness sake.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
First of all, why did you say that 99% of jet fighter pilots were never recruits instead of 100%? Is it because you're not sure? My gut says yes.
Second, and please read this slowly, here is what TP said:
“As the war in Iraq rages on, the battle to find new fighting men and women is waged everyday in recruiting offices. Before they can carry a gun or fly a fighter jet, new recruits must pass a drug test.â€
Now, slowly and carefully read the preceding statement. You will notice that nowhere does it say "Fighter pilots are drug tested." What it does say is that NEW RECRUITS, no matter where they end up, are drug tested. Whether or not any end up as jet fighter pilots has no bearing the the veracity of the statement. If as you say, recruits never become jet fighter pilots, then the statement is still true because ALL RECRUITS ARE DRUG TESTED regardless of their future post. If, and I suspect this is likely the case, some recruits do actually become fighter pilots, then they will have been drug tested before being allowed to do so because ALL NEW RECRUITS ARE DRUG TESTED.
Wow you are dense.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:24 pmOk, I promise I wont engage you again directly, Valiant.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:26 pmYou are the most irrelevant troll ever. Pssst, your word doesnt make things facts.
valiantthelover,
He may have said those things, but he obviously thought that wasn't good policy for the country. It's one thing to feel that way about your personal life, but when you are President, you must consider the country as a whole. He chose, along with, Adams, Madison, and Jefferson, a path for our country that included all faiths or lack thereof.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:27 pm"Before they can carry a gun or fly a fighter jet, new recruits must pass a drug test.â€
by thinkprogress.org
You can't be this slow erock, you just can't! Read how it clearly states that new recruits before they can fly a fighter jet they must pass a drug test!
NEW RECRUITS WILL EVER FLY A FIGHTER JET
big and in capslock, maybe you'll understand. YOU ARE WRONG!
no new recruit will ever, ever fly a USA fighter jet.
in fact, no recruit will ever fly a USA fighter jet.
Fighter Jet pilots do NOT go through MEPS.
be the man you refuse to be and admit you are wrong. keep some dignity.
you are wrong. why is it so hard for you Liberals to admit that you are wrong?
and the 99% is because you can go and apply to be a fighter jet pilot if you have flown civilian aircrafts and are under the age of 37, not because eyou are new recruit that goes through MEPS.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:34 pmOK, this pisses me off. AS A former recruiter who has worked in an office with all branches of service. YES everyone is drug tested including officers upon their entrance and commission.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:36 pmNOW the problem is how do we take the pressure off soldiers who go through a 2 month course and then told to get people in! no matter what! And can they get waviers to get them in if they have problems. The system is having a hard time getting QUALITY recruits. Valiant get your conservative friends together and sign up. We need you!
erock,
New recruits do handle guns, M-16s, and others. they also handle grenades and other military personnel killers.
but no NEW RECRUIT and in fact no recruit will ever, ever, ever, ever, ever fly a fighter jet.
and since jet fighter pilots do not go through MEPS, they aren't tested for drugs in MEPS.
you and TP are completly and utterly wrong.
you are both wrong about the New recruits having to pass a drug test before they can fly a fighter jet and you are both wrong in quoting the silly article which claims that fighter jets go through MEPS.
wow.....I feel like I am talking to a freaking wall.
OPEN YOUR MIND!! be the Liberal you claim to be and OPEN YOUR MIND to the possibility that you ARE WRONG!
May 17th, 2007 at 5:37 pmZooey, well she is a insignificant feminazi that I enjoy playing with. She is easily aroused and easily angered. It is fun to play with the mind of simple Liberals like her.
Comment by valiantthelover
Nope, moron, you haven't seen me angry, and you never will.
You are too insignificant. Get over yourself.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:40 pmand the 99% is because you can go and apply to be a fighter jet pilot if you have flown civilian aircrafts and are under the age of 37, not because eyou are new recruit that goes through MEPS.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Even if you are right and no recruits ever fly a fighter jet, the statement is still true. I can't spell it out for you any clearer. You are absolutely 100% wrong. The statement in question says nothing about whether recruits will fly a fighter jet, just that if they do then they will have to pass a drug test first. You are wrong wrong wrong.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:40 pmvaliantthelover,
He may have said those things, but he obviously thought that wasn’t good policy for the country. It’s one thing to feel that way about your personal life, but when you are President, you must consider the country as a whole. He chose, along with, Adams, Madison, and Jefferson, a path for our country that included all faiths or lack thereof.
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 17, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
So, why did President Washington swear on a Bible the oath of office for the Presidency?
and when he finished his oath of office he ended by stating loud, very loud and very clear...."So Help me God!"?
something that ALL Presidents do since then. Clinton, Bush, Carter, Reagan, etc, all swear on a Bible the oath of office and all end by stating, "So Help Me God!"
care to explain?
care to explain why all Congresses since Washington first became President until todays Congress start their days with a minister leading a Christian prayer?
Care to explain why all Congressional bills that are passed into law are signed with....."In the year of Our Lord xxxx"?
Care to explain why if you go to The Mall in Washington DC and go to the great monuments of our great leaders they are full of their words calling upon God and Christianity to lead this nation?
c'mon, you Liberals are so wrong on this.......
Congress shall make no laws forcing a religion on the American people doesn't equate to taking religion out of the public eye.
I dont' want Congress making laws that intertwine with religion, but I don't want Congress or the Judicial Branch to force people to stop practicing religion in public places.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:43 pmyou are both wrong about the New recruits having to pass a drug test before they can fly a fighter jet and you are both wrong in quoting the silly article which claims that fighter jets go through MEPS.
wow…..I feel like I am talking to a freaking wall.
OPEN YOUR MIND!! be the Liberal you claim to be and OPEN YOUR MIND to the possibility that you ARE WRONG!
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
I have never claimed that fighter pilots go through MEPS, only that new recruits do. You need to learn to read.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:43 pmZooey, well she is a insignificant feminazi that I enjoy playing with. She is easily aroused and easily angered. It is fun to play with the mind of simple Liberals like her.
Comment by valiantthelover
Nope, moron, you haven’t seen me angry, and you never will.
You are too insignificant. Get over yourself.
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
I am so insignificant, that you feel, that you must respond to my posts.
poor little simple minded Liberal. I pity you my little feminazi. MUAH! :)
May 17th, 2007 at 5:44 pmand the 99% is because you can go and apply to be a fighter jet pilot if you have flown civilian aircrafts and are under the age of 37, not because eyou are new recruit that goes through MEPS.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 5:34 pm
Even if you are right and no recruits ever fly a fighter jet, the statement is still true. I can’t spell it out for you any clearer. You are absolutely 100% wrong. The statement in question says nothing about whether recruits will fly a fighter jet, just that if they do then they will have to pass a drug test first. You are wrong wrong wrong.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
Oh my goodness!!!
get it through your head!!!
NO NEW RECRUITS, OR FOR THAT MATTER ANY RECRUIT WILL EVER FLY A FIGHTER JET!!
TP statement is misleading and a lie.
Answer this question....
Does the military allow new recruits to fly fighter jets? yes or no will suffice.
I have to take you by your hand and lead you to see how incredibly wrong you are.
you Libtards are all the same, unwilling to ever admit you are 100% wrong.
listen kid, TP is not the word of God. I know many if not most of you Liberals believe this, but shhhh.....don't tell you Libtard friends, TP is 99% wrong on everyting they blog about.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:48 pmIt's long past time to organize against military recruiting as a means of more clearly focusing antiwar activism. Abuses like this keep coming up and it's clear that some recruiters are using deceptive tactics...
http://www.mediamouse.org/features/082106media.php
http://www.mediamouse.org/features/081506gover.php
May 17th, 2007 at 5:49 pmvaliantthelover,
"It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."
Washington is known to have made some official statements of public piety, but this is not one of them. Though this assertion is very widely reported to have been said in Washington's Farewell Address (17 September 1796), this is not actually the case, as any search of the documents would reveal. It has also been presented as having been part of his Proclamation on 01/01/1795 of 02/19/1795 as a day of national Thanksgiving. There is no actual record of such a statement ever having been made by Washington.
"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors.â€
This was said, so I will grant you this one. Of course, many people use God to discuss mysteries of several kinds. The God of nature is referred to several times by Einstein, but he was a devout non-believer.
The last one I wont even discuss as Washington was not President at the time. It's irrelevant.
Yeah, the Thanksgiving thing acknowledges God. It does not, however, attempt to thwart the rule of law with the rule of God. In fact it seems to ask God for the wisdom to govern wisely within the framework of our Constitution.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:50 pmDoes the military allow new recruits to fly fighter jets? yes or no will suffice.
I have to take you by your hand and lead you to see how incredibly wrong you are.
you Libtards are all the same, unwilling to ever admit you are 100% wrong.
listen kid, TP is not the word of God. I know many if not most of you Liberals believe this, but shhhh…..don’t tell you Libtard friends, TP is 99% wrong on everyting they blog about.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
I will say it again for the 100th time, whether or not recruits ever fly fighter jets has no bearing on the veracity of the statement. All TP said was that new recruits, whether they carry guns or fly fighter jets (which they may or may not do) must be drug tested.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:53 pmsimple enough for you? man, you Liberals are slow! very, very slow!
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Let me spell this out for you *real* slow-like.
If a person who is a recruit at one time is chosen to be a fighter pilot, (got that, a recruit who has been selected as an elite individual to fly jets) then that recruit has gone through MEPS. Hence, before flying that jet, he has been drug tested. Therefore, before being allowed to fly a jet, he was drug tested. TP makes no claims about any other jet pilots. Just recruits in general who may or may not become fighter pilots.
I say once more, hopefully for the last time that this is not the issue.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
please erock, read your posts before you lie. typical liberal, stubborn and a liar.
Cleary here you claim that some fighte pilots do go through MEPS.
sad, sad.
man, you Libtards are too easy. Please give me a mental challenge, this gets quite boring.
May 17th, 2007 at 5:55 pmCleary here you claim that some fighte pilots do go through MEPS.
sad, sad.
man, you Libtards are too easy. Please give me a mental challenge, this gets quite boring.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 5:55 pm
No, no I didn't. This post was in response to you actually admitting that recruits can become fighter pilots, but that's another issue.
What I said was that if a recruit does somehow manage to become a fighter pilot, then he, at the time he was a new recruit had to go through MEPS. Something that is vastly different that what you are claiming.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:00 pmvaliantthehater,
"Be it enacted by the General Assembly, That no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish enlarge, or affect their civil capacities."
Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, both of whom would later be president of the United States, argued that religious beliefs should be solely matters of individual conscience and completely immune from any interference by the state. Moreover, religious activity of any sort should be wholly voluntary. Not only did they oppose taxing people to support an established church, but they also objected to forcing people to pay taxes even for their own church. To Jefferson, a high wall of separation should always keep church and state apart.
Jefferson drafted the following measure, but it was Madison who skillfully secured its adoption by the Virginia legislature in 1786. It is still part of modern Virginia's constitution, and it has not only been copied by other states but was also the basis for the Religion Clauses in the Constitution's Bill of Rights. Both men considered this bill one of the great achievements of their lives, and Jefferson directed that on his tombstone he should not be remembered as president of the United States or for any of the other high offices he held, but as the author of the Declaration of Independence and the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, and as the founder of the University of Virginia.
"
May 17th, 2007 at 6:02 pmTHey were both idiots. Jefferson and Madison that is. Morons!!
May 17th, 2007 at 6:03 pmvaliantthelover,
“It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.â€
Washington is known to have made some official statements of public piety, but this is not one of them. Though this assertion is very widely reported to have been said in Washington’s Farewell Address (17 September 1796), this is not actually the case, as any search of the documents would reveal. It has also been presented as having been part of his Proclamation on 01/01/1795 of 02/19/1795 as a day of national Thanksgiving. There is no actual record of such a statement ever having been made by Washington.
“It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors.â€
This was said, so I will grant you this one. Of course, many people use God to discuss mysteries of several kinds. The God of nature is referred to several times by Einstein, but he was a devout non-believer.
The last one I wont even discuss as Washington was not President at the time. It’s irrelevant.
Yeah, the Thanksgiving thing acknowledges God. It does not, however, attempt to thwart the rule of law with the rule of God. In fact it seems to ask God for the wisdom to govern wisely within the framework of our Constitution.
Comment by Crump's Brother — May 17, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
Crump's Brother,
1) I do NOT want a theocracy in which ANY religion is made the official religion of the USA.
2) I 100% disagree with government getting involved with any religion since then it opens up the possibility for the government to dictate the rules of that particular religion.
3) Please explain why since President George Washington first said the words at the end of the Presidential oath, "So Help Me God!" All Presidents say it.
4) Explain why since the first Congress met, until today (the Democratic Led Congress) all sessions of Congress start with a Christian minister leading a Christian prayer.
5) Why does the Supreme Court begin all of its hearing the same way, with a Christian prayer?
6) Why do you find in 99% of America's court rooms the words, "In God We Trust".
7) Why are all bills signed into law signed with, "In the year of Our Lord xxxx"?
8) Why is the Supreme Court facade full of religious references?
9) Why are Thomas Jefferson's speeches in which he talks about God and Christianity all over his Washington DC Monument? Same with Lincoln's monument.....
Whether you Liberals like it or not, this great nation of ours was founded by deeply religious and Christian men. And our country is influenced by judeo/christian values and morals.
Liberals want to completly remove this, they go as far as lying as to who our founder were.
They grab on to Seperation of Church and State. Five words written ONCE in one small letter by Thomas Jefferson to claim that the Constitution says things that it doesn't say.
No where in the Constitution do you find these words.
What you do find is...Congress shall pass laws against or for religion.
Today, many of our laws are anti-religious.
today we have Democrats using religious litmus tests in order to pick and chose government position. Which is completly against our Constitution.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:03 pmHey ya'll,
We did a good job holding valianttheidiotstick here today.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:09 pmThe other threads are coming along nicely.
Everyone pat yourselves on the back!
What you do find is…Congress shall pass laws against or for religion.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
my mistake....
it doesn't say the above, it says....Congress hall pass no laws.......
May 17th, 2007 at 6:11 pmHey ya’ll,
We did a good job holding valianttheidiotstick here today.
The other threads are coming along nicely.
Everyone pat yourselves on the back!
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
He's devouring my will to go back into teaching. A student who fights education tooth and nail is a student that doesn't deserve one.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:15 pmHe’s devouring my will to go back into teaching. A student who fights education tooth and nail is a student that doesn’t deserve one.
Comment by erock
He's not here for an education. He's here to shit all over the threads. TP could put up a thread with everything he ever agreed with, and still he'd shit on it.
We need teachers with as much patience as you've demonstrated. :-)
May 17th, 2007 at 6:18 pmHey ya’ll,
We did a good job holding valianttheidiotstick here today.
The other threads are coming along nicely.
Everyone pat yourselves on the back!
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
He’s devouring my will to go back into teaching. A student who fights education tooth and nail is a student that doesn’t deserve one.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 6:15 pm
You still think you are right, eh? poor you.
Please follow your own advice.
A student who fights education tooth and nail is a student that doesn’t deserve one.
You and TP both lied. Your logic is flawed and you aren't man enough, like most Liberals, to admit that you have been utterly defeated in a mental challenge.
I'll try one more time for you kid, I have this weakness for idiots like you.....
1)New recruits can ever even get close to a jet fighter.
2)Much less can they ever be fighter jet pilots.
4)TP claimed that these new recruits will get tested for drugs before they can fly a fighter jet.
5)The problem with this statement by TP is that new recruits will never fly a fighter jet.
6)You believe that speaks the word of god.
7)You are either too proud or too stupid to admit that you are wrong.
8)You are too much of a coward and you didn't answer my question.
once again, ,
Can new recruits fly fighter jets? yes or no will suffice.
i know that you are terrified that if you answer this question the flood gates will open in your tiny brain and you will finally have to admit that your so called logic is wrong.
c'mon son, one more try, give it one more try.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:22 pmI haven't gone anywhere co*k sucker. Cowards are people like you that haven't served in the military, but expect people to die for their cause.
Chicken sh!t chicken hawk.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:23 pmHe’s not here for an education. He’s here to shit all over the threads. TP could put up a thread with everything he ever agreed with, and still he’d shit on it.
We need teachers with as much patience as you’ve demonstrated. :-)
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
I've dealt with worse. Thankfully its much easier to show someone a proof in math than in linguistic logic.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:24 pm4)TP claimed that these new recruits will get tested for drugs before they can fly a fighter jet.
5)The problem with this statement by TP is that new recruits will never fly a fighter jet.
There is no contradiction here.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:25 pm4)TP claimed that these new recruits will get tested for drugs before they can fly a fighter jet.
5)The problem with this statement by TP is that new recruits will never fly a fighter jet.
There is no contradiction here.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
wow!! dumb and a liberal....can't get any worst for you erock.
of course there is a huge contradiction.
New recruits can never be recruits. TP claimed that new recruits before they CAN FLY FIGHTER JETS must be tested for drugs.
duh, duh, duh, duh....wow....
May 17th, 2007 at 6:29 pmproven wrong and Spudge_Boy runs away like the coward he is. Something tells me that you probably play as Cobra Commander, rather than GI Joe.
how sad for you.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
I haven’t gone anywhere co*k sucker. Cowards are people like you that haven’t served in the military, but expect people to die for their cause.
Chicken sh!t chicken hawk.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — May 17, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
Pudgy_boy, If I have told you once, I have told you many times, playing with GI Joe is NOT serving in the military. My poor, poor, poor brainwashed Liberal.
I know my friend, I know that you must feel awful that your mommy lied to you this many years. sad, I know, but I would have lied to you too if I were your parent. I mean, such a stupid Liberal you are. You live in la la land, so your mommy didn't want to burst your bubble.
hahahahaha!!!
such simple fools you liberals are....
May 17th, 2007 at 6:31 pmNew recruits can never be recruits. TP claimed that new recruits before they CAN FLY FIGHTER JETS must be tested for drugs.
duh, duh, duh, duh….wow….
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
This is true whether or not recruits ever fly fighter jets.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:31 pmerock,
new recruits will never become fighter jet pilots, thus saying that new recruits will be tested for drugs before they can fly a fighter jet is a false statement.
you poor fool, you are so dumb and such a Liberal that this blinds you from realizing how wrong you are. Don't let your stupidity can on the way of seeing the truth kid.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:32 pmVTL,
Consider these statements:
1. People who live to age 1000 will be given $1000000.
2. No one will live to be 1000.
There is no contradiction created between 1 and 2.
Similarly, just because no recruits ever become fighter pilots this does not mean that they are not drug tested before being allowed to fly jets. In fact, they are drug tested before they are allowed to fly jets, they just never fly jets.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:37 pmerock,
will you answer the question? or does your pride not allow you to answer the question?
answer....
Can new recruits fly fighter jets?
May 17th, 2007 at 6:38 pmerock,
will you answer the question? or does your pride not allow you to answer the question?
answer….
Can new recruits fly fighter jets?
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
I can't tell you plainly enough that it doesn't matter. The statement is true regardless of the answer.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:42 pmerock,
will you answer the question? or does your pride not allow you to answer the question?
answer….
Can new recruits fly fighter jets?
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
I can’t tell you plainly enough that it doesn’t matter. The statement is true regardless of the answer.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
WRONG!
that statement is wrong.
The statement claims that new recruits will fly fighter jets and that before they can fly fighter jets they must get tested for drugs.
the problem with the statement is that new recruits can never, ever fly fighter jets.
new recruits will never fly fighter jets, TP statements claims the oppossite, that new recruits will eventually fly fighter jets. Thus TP is lying.
I thought I try one more try, but you being dumb and a Liberal, well you just don't get.
why do you a coward and refuse to answeer the question?
can new recruits be fighter jet pilots? why are you terrified of answering the question?
new recruits don't get tested for drugs in order to fly a fighter jet as the statement implies. That has never happened an dwill never happen.
thus, both you and TP are wrong.
thanks for playing, NEXT!
May 17th, 2007 at 6:49 pmVTL,
Consider these statements:
1. People who live to age 1000 will be given $1000000.
2. No one will live to be 1000.
There is no contradiction created between 1 and 2.
Similarly, just because no recruits ever become fighter pilots this does not mean that they are not drug tested before being allowed to fly jets. In fact, they are drug tested before they are allowed to fly jets, they just never fly jets.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 6:37 pm
your 1 and 2 statements make sense....
but your paragraph doesn't.
TP claimed that new recruits get tested in order to be able to fly a jet fighter.
the problem is that new recruits never, ever get tested in order to see if they can fly a jet fighter.
get it?
No new recruit has ever been told, signed, etc....."You are going to take a drug test in order to find out if you can fly our military jet fighters."
this hasn't happen and will not happen.
new recruits don't get drug tested in order to find out if they can fly jet fighter planes.
regardless whether they will or will never fly a jet fighter plane, the drug test has never been to find out whether or not they can fly a fighter jet plane. Get it?
thus TP is lying.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:53 pmVTL,
For the sake of argument, I will agree that recruits never become fighter pilots. As I have pointed out though, this is not important to the argument at hand.
Now, answer on simple question,
Are all new recruits drug tested?
May 17th, 2007 at 6:54 pmAnd what exactly are you trying to prove? Is it that you don't support our troops and vets?
If you would like, you can come over to my house and I will pin my medals to the backs of your retinas. Or I could show you the non-exstent training the military gave me.
Or I can show you the "forward thrusting groin slap"
Anybody that has military training can tell you what that is. I never got to use it, but I would be happy to let you be the first victim.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:56 pmVTL,
For the sake of argument, I will agree that recruits never become fighter pilots. As I have pointed out though, this is not important to the argument at hand.
Now, answer on simple question,
Are all new recruits drug tested?
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
Since you answered my question, yes, all NEW recruits are drug tested.
but not for the purpose that TP claimed.
The military doesn't do drug tests on new recruits to find out whether or not they can fly fighter jets.
but regardless, yes all new recruits are drug tested.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:58 pmregardless whether they will or will never fly a jet fighter plane, the drug test has never been to find out whether or not they can fly a fighter jet plane. Get it?
Here, this is exactly my point, it doesn't matter what the point of the drug test is, the fact is that they have been drug tested. Thank you for proving my point.
May 17th, 2007 at 6:59 pmSince you answered my question, yes, all NEW recruits are drug tested.
but not for the purpose that TP claimed.
The military doesn’t do drug tests on new recruits to find out whether or not they can fly fighter jets.
but regardless, yes all new recruits are drug tested.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
TP didn't assign the tests a purpose, it just said that the new recruits had to be drug tested. Thank God that argument is over.
May 17th, 2007 at 7:00 pmIt's about damn time.
May 17th, 2007 at 8:17 pmTP is lying as usual.
Comment by valiantthelover — May 17, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Just for fun, and because I am a little bored, let’s examine TP’s statement using symbolic logic.
Here, P represents passing a drug test. J will represent a recruit becoming a fighter pilot.
TP’s statement is:
Before they can carry a gun or fly a fighter jet, new recruits must pass a drug test.
This is logically equivalent to (restricted to matters of P and J):
J -> P
Now, if as you claim, recruits never become fighter pilots, then we always have:
-J
Using basic logic, we know that this does not directly imply -P. Rather, applying modus tollens gives us
-P -> -J
Or, not passing a drug test prohibits a recruit from becoming a fighter pilot.
Never does TP’s statement lend itself to P -> J, no matter how you much you would like it to.
Comment by erock — May 17, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's always a pleasure to see formal logic used in a blog!!!!
May 17th, 2007 at 8:49 pmIt’s about damn time.
Comment by Karim — May 17, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
Agreed, a thousand times agreed.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:59 pmMy friend's recruiter took the urine test for him so he could join the army.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:01 pm