I hate to break it to your Gitmo-loving a**, but nobody at election time is going to vote for the Donny Osmond Neocon vote. Got it?!!

My concern is about those who served being disgraced, and NOT those who showed COWARDICE in taking deferrments and hiding behind daddy’s money!!!

I apologize for that oversight, but will always challenge those who try to disgrace those who made the sacrifice (i. e. THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS)…

Guliani is playing the middle as best he can. Now, I WILL agree, he did not commit the egregious act of condoning torture that Romney did, and yet the single implausible thing is that he (Guliani) DID NOT outright condemn torture. For ANY individual that applauded this man for his subversion of our laws and morals, should be tortured!!! It is easy to speak of war, and not be in one! I have seen death, and been a part of it. I don’t know of any individual who would think that it is an enjoyable event?

The mere existence of atrocities that are being committed, in Guantanamo, is a stain on our Democracy, and all we do is create more enemies We learn nothing credible, because of coerced confessions and the fact that we have no methods of checks that can be attributed to any concrete event that would make this acceptable by TRUE Americans. No matter how you slice it, the REPUBLICAN party has become a NAZI party.

The hate-filled, bigoted, anti-democratic principles spoken by these men make me ashamed of where America has fallen. Someone asked, “Why do these Generals hate America?” THAT statement could not be more asinine, because THEY (like me) would have happily died for this country, because we believe in our DEMOCRACY and the principles for which it was founded.

We believe in the oath of the Constitution and took GREAT PRIDE in donning the uniform that says we will defend her honor against anyone who seeks to tarnish her image. We have cried, bled, sweat, and sacrificed to ensure that this is a fact of principle vs. rhetoric. The flag was not just a symbol but a rallying cry for many battles and wars. But in each, America defended herself and always ensured that our enemies felt our wrath, both swiftly and decisively! This is not a war, but a horrible mistake that is compounded daily by DUMBYA!

However, this atmosphere of polarization from those individuals who THINK they know versus those who have a clue would tell you that, MANY soldiers would vote for a REPUBLICAN 9 out of 10 times. But, just as in the days of NIXON, this party has subverted our thinking and our liberties in the name of autocracy. And for that reason, these MEN OF HONOR are speaking out. This now has killed the morale of the soldiers and they (politicians) will be content with listening to the few, and discarding the majority!

And then this exchange — did you “forget” this part?

HUME: Water boarding?

GIULIANI: I would say every method they could think of, and I would support them in doing that because I have seen — [applause] — I have seen what can happen when you make a mistake about this and I don’t want to see another 3,000 people dead in New York or any place else.

The problem is in the hypothetical. It’s just not a possible hypothetical. It exists in fiction only.

“which assumes that we know there is going to be another attack and these people know about it,”

How in the world would we know, that they know? If we knew that they knew, (I’m already sounding like Rumsfeld, sorry) we would probably have all the information we needed.

The best method for getting information in these situations is to induce Stockholm Syndrome. You must make your captives sympathize with you and they will open up.

The new political correctness is Republican Political Correct Speech. So the term “torture” has now become “enhanced interrogation techniques” so that bloodthirsty nitwits can claim that they don’t support torture, they support “enhanced interrogation techniques”. What the good generals said is that the actions termed “enhanced interrogation techniques” were considered torture when committed by Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler, but now that the Republican Political Correct Speech code is appled to such actions they are not considered “torture”.

Guess what. If Al Qaeda is currently using any of these tactics on OUR troops at this moment, we’d consider it torture.

Remember when Republicans used to get outraged over “situational ethics”?

-GSD

Just love to see some of these guys (generals) up there in a debate with these tough-talking coward GOP pansies who’d wet themselves if someone gave them a noogie.

I think that too. I was just flavoring the comment. :)

GIULIANI: In the hypothetical that you gave me, which assumes that we know there is going to be another attack and these people know about it, I would tell the people who had to do the interrogation to use every method they can think of. Shouldn’t be torture, but every method they can think of.

Link, please.

That’s what I’d do.
/silliness

I think Wilco was being sarcastic. :)