ThinkFast: May 17, 2007
ThinkFast: May 17, 2007
The civil lawsuit brought by outed CIA agent Valerie Plame “is expected to face a withering attack this morning at a court hearing in Washington,” where attorneys for Vice President Cheney, Scooter Libby and others will urge Judge John Bates — a Bush appointee and former Ken Starr aide — that “the case be thrown out.”
“Newly declassified data show that as additional American troops began streaming into Iraq in March and April, the number of attacks on civilians and security forces there stayed relatively steady or at most declined slightly, in the clearest indication yet that the troop increase could take months to have a widespread impact on security.”
Al Gore will release his new book The Assault on Reason next week. Gore tells Time that he began questioning why “our democracy hasn’t responded” to both the climate crisis and the Iraq war. “So I started thinking, What’s going on here? … Our democracy was pushed around by false impressions and wasn’t able to hold its focus,” he says. “That’s the common denominator. Once I’d thought through all of that, I couldn’t not write this book.”
Filmmaker Michael Moore is “launching his own probe into the U.S. government’s investigation of him for making an unauthorized trip to Cuba to film scenes for his latest movie ‘SiCKO,’” beginning with a Freedom of Information Act request seeking all documents regarding the investigation.
“The Justice Department on Wednesday told an angry Senate Judiciary Committee chairman it does not have documents described in a subpoena that demands all materials relating to Karl Rove’s possible involvement in the U.S. attorney firings. Instead, it said, Rove’s lawyer must have them.”
Robert Novak claims that Rove’s former aide Susan Ralston “has nothing to say that would cause problems for Rove.” But Novak concedes Rep. Henry Waxman’s (D-CA) investigation of Rove is causing concern in conservative circles. “One prominent conservative House member who did not want his name used told me, ‘We just want it to be over.’”
“Federal funding for abstinence education will likely fall considerably this year” as House commerce committee chairman John Dingell (D-MI) said Wednesday he will “let a $50 million grant program expire on June 30.” “Abstinence-only seems to be a colossal failure,” Dingell said.
“The Commerce Department’s inspector general, who is supposed to look into complaints of wrongdoing by government officials, committed ‘egregious violations’ of the federal law that protects whistle-blowers by retaliating against two subordinates, a government investigation has concluded.”
Former EPA chief Christine Todd Whitman has refused a request by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) that she testify about the “government’s failure to respond adequately to the environmental crisis in Lower Manhattan” after 9/11.
And finally: CNN’s Ed Henry fumbles his big scoop. On Wednesday, when he called attorney Bob Bennett, World Bank President Paul Wolfowitz accidentally picked up. Henry recalls, “Just then I heard a gruff voice pick up another extension on the phone line and say abruptly, ‘This is Paul Wolfowitz.’ I stuttered and stammered — wait, was this really him?! And when I heard the familiar voice say, ‘Hello?’ I knew it was indeed Wolfowitz.” But Wolfowitz’s attorney quickly picked up the line, and the golden opportunity was gone.
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I read that Novak column- that anon House member was talking about the Bush administration when he said, ‘We just want it to be over.’â€
May 17th, 2007 at 9:18 amYeah? Michael Moore is fat! Thats my argument /trollish
May 17th, 2007 at 9:23 amPity poor Wolfowitz who is losing his job, his wife is divorcing him, and his mistress lover is dumping him too > so sad, but he deserves it for being the creep who caused the Iraq Fiasco War.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:23 amLibby and Cheney want everything thrown out of court, including habeas corpus, an independent judiciary, warrants for police powers, and the list goes on.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:24 amlaunching his own probe into the U.S. government’s investigation of him for making an unauthorized trip to Cuba
I hope the gov't launches a probe into his probe about their probe. And then he can launch a new probe into their probe into his probe about their probe.
Al Gore will release his new book The Assault on Reason
May 17th, 2007 at 9:24 amSounds about right for a book written by Gore.
“The Justice Department on Wednesday told an angry Senate Judiciary Committee chairman it does not have documents described in a subpoena that demands all materials relating to Karl Rove’s possible involvement in the U.S. attorney firings. Instead, it said, Rove’s lawyer must have them.â€
More missing E-mails? Aren't government agencies required to maintain ALL correspondence "for the records?"
May 17th, 2007 at 9:29 amAl Gore will release his new book The Assault on Reason
Sounds about right for a book written by Gore.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 17, 2007 @ 9:24 am
Yes it does sound about right for him - he's the only one of the few who is brave enough these days to challenge the status quo! He seems to feel free to speak his mind nowadays and is calling for some sanity and "reason". Keep up the good work Al!
May 17th, 2007 at 9:31 amThe judge in Valerie Palme case is a Bush appointee and ex-Ken Starr aide...!!, INTERETRING
May 17th, 2007 at 9:32 amAt this point, I think I would willing to have all the law suits, civil and criminal, against the neocons thrown out IF we could first throw all them out of power in government so they have no influence of any kind on policy making.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:32 amRE# 5: comment by squegeebooo
May 17th, 2007 at 9:33 amyesterday it was a fixation with sticks and carrots, today it's an obsession with probes...
The fervor with which Deadeye Dick and the rest of the crooked cabal wants to attack Valarie Plame's lawsuit brings up the question of what they have to hide. And given the propensity of the bush Administration to lie cheat and steal, you'd think Deadeye is a tad worried about how many of his tentacles will be exposed. Then again he's so arrogant he might not care.
Is it January 20, 2009 at 12:01 p.m., yet?
May 17th, 2007 at 9:33 amWho is Rove's Lawyer? Alberto VO5??
May 17th, 2007 at 9:34 amGore's new book should be entitled: The Rape of the American Democracy!
May 17th, 2007 at 9:35 am#3 Jay,
Shall we call him : WOLFO WAS
May 17th, 2007 at 9:36 amMore missing E-mails? Aren’t government agencies required to maintain ALL correspondence “for the records?â€
Comment by SouthWest Bob — May 17, 2007 @ 9:29 am
Haven't you heard? The Bush administration received special dispensation relieving them of all encumbrances like quaint rules and requirements! They get to do whatever they want you see!
I am so sick of those nasty people!
May 17th, 2007 at 9:36 amThe Justice Department (i.e. "Loyal Bushie" Department) waits until after the deadline to say, 'we couldn't find anything and, oh, by the way, we gave everything over to Rove's attorney.'
Now, there will be a new subpoena, to Rove's attorney. How much do you want to wager he'll wait until after the deadline to say 'I couldn't find anything, and anything I did find is protected by the attorney-client privilege, and besides, I gave everything over to the attorney's for the Republican National Committee, since the emails allegedly came from their servers anyway and are not part of the White House documents required to be kept under the Presidential Records Act.'
May 17th, 2007 at 9:37 am
Michael Moore, please allow me to help you with your investigation.
You violated the law.
Investigation over.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:37 amwaldo
yesterday it was a fixation with sticks and carrots, today it’s an obsession with probes…
Maybe there can be a thread about missiles tomorrow, just to keep the trend going...
margaret
May 17th, 2007 at 9:41 amhe’s the only one of the few who is brave enough these days to challenge the status quo!
There's plenty of people out there challenging the status quo.
Michael Moore, please allow me to help you with your investigation.
You violated the law.
Investigation over.
Comment by hacker bob — May 17, 2007 @ 9:37 am
Kinda like the attorney firings, eh, bob?
May 17th, 2007 at 9:42 amKinda like the attorney firings, eh, bob?
Comment by Bluedahlia — May 17, 2007 @ 9:42 am
May 17th, 2007 at 9:45 amBush Is Disconnected From Reality!
by Jay Randal
President George W. Bush lives in a bubble of his own imaginations, so he believes his horrific fiasco in Iraq is getting better, but Bush is disconnected from reality.
The debacle in Iraq is getting worse daily, as violence increases all over the countryside, and Iraqi civilians are dying like flies from hideous acts of vile bombings.
Iraqis live in complete despair without any security at all, nor without any hope of mayhem carnage ending, but they pray nonetheless the US will leave Iraq soon.
They know the Bush Regime are the cause of all their woes, because even under the rule of Saddam Hussein they had security, but now only death and destruction.
They live in constant fear of being slain by US troops, or being blown up by Iraqi extremists, or abducted by death squads and their bodies mutilated/dismembered.
Nobody knows if Iraqis lives will get better or worse if and when the US departs, but they live in a Hell now, so Iraqis alone must sort it out and decide their future.
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
May 17th, 2007 at 9:46 amyesterday it was a fixation with sticks and carrots, today it’s an obsession with probes…
Comment by waldo
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All phallic, all the time.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:47 amYou violated the law.
Investigation over.
Comment by hacker bob — May 17, 2007 @ 9:37 am
Yah only GOP'ers are allowed to murder, steal, rape, pillage, plunder. If someone tries to help the common man, HANG EM!!!
Bob you are morally bankrupt, sure hope you don't have kids.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:47 amPlenty of people challenging the status quo eh? Yah the country is just bursting at the seams with people with any kind of clout trying to make any meaningful change. I sure wish that wasn't the case. In fact, please, make my day, and enlighten me with all of those voices who have any shot at making a difference! I'm all ears.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:48 amPatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
All phallic, all the time.
It's how I roll.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:49 amLoser troll disses Al Gore and Michael Moore. And what have you accomplished squiggy?
May 17th, 2007 at 9:49 amIf you rounded up all the people who have Cuban cigars in their humidor the jails would be pretty full! This country's policy towards Cuba is a joke.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:50 amThe DOJ claims they only found two e-mails sent to Rove on the same day within a few hours of each other , marked urgent issue and High Priority--but no e-mail response.
Notably the e-mails were sent via official servers, but we all know that Rove hase been using RNC servers "95% of the time"
It beggars beleif that the DOJ only has two e-mails to provide, and with no response. Is the DOJ witholding, or are they two now using RNC servers for their communications on this issue?
The committee needs to subpoena the RNC servers and the RNC shou;dn't object--after all, as with NSA wiretapping, if they have nothing to hide why should they be concerned?
May 17th, 2007 at 9:53 amYou violated the law.
Investigation over.
Comment by hacker bob — May 17, 2007 @ 9:37 am
HB didn't they tell you. The Bush administration doesn't believe in the rule of law. Apparently you did hear the part where they're not allowing fair trials anymore since you already called the investigation over.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:53 amBob you are morally bankrupt, sure hope you don’t have kids.
Comment by Can-O-Whoop-Ass — May 17, 2007 @ 9:47 am
I have 3 kids, great ones.
Sorry, Nobody is above the law. While I may think what Moore did to try to help people was a good thing, that does not excuse him from not following the proper procedures. He is no exception to the rules just because of his celebrity.
Besides, we all know Moore did what he did to help promote himself, not the 9/11 workers.
Comment by Bluedahlia
My original comment didn't post. I said "Yep, it appears so."
May 17th, 2007 at 9:54 amre hacker bob
heaven forbid someone should try to help people who have been hurt by bush. I feel your pain.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:54 amMichael Moore, please allow me to help you with your investigation.
You violated the law.
Investigation over.
Comment by hacker bob
Yeah, Bob, thanks for reminding us that to be accused of a crime by the Bush DOJ, you only need to be a critic of the Bush Administration.
Speedy Gonzalas, "Sir, you are under arrest for driving while Democrat"
May 17th, 2007 at 9:54 amSenator Fred Thompson smokes the Havana Montecristos by the boatload...
May 17th, 2007 at 9:55 amShane
Loser troll disses Al Gore and Michael Moore. And what have you accomplished squiggy?
I didn't diss Michael Moore. I just hoped for a never ending cycle of probing.
I figured out world peace once, but once I sobered up I couldn't find the cocktail napkin I diagrammed it on... does that count for an accomplishment?
May 17th, 2007 at 9:55 amChrity Todd Whitman knows that she had better not open her mouth because she LIED about the air at and around Ground Zero. She did not have the courage to say to w that the environment was toxic because she wanted to be part of the "In Crowd." When she got thrown out on her ear anyway, she wrote a half-hearted protest book that quickly went to the remainder table and then to the recycle pile. She deserves to go to jail and to be sued for everything she and her husband have. She, as well as w and his cronies, will never pay anything for all of the death and destruction that she caused.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:57 amYeah, Bob, thanks for reminding us that to be accused of a crime by the Bush DOJ, you only need to be a critic of the Bush Administration.
Speedy Gonzalas, “Sir, you are under arrest for driving while Democratâ€
Comment by Wayne — May 17, 2007 @ 9:54 am
Wayne, helping heros will also get you in trouble uner the Bush Reich.
May 17th, 2007 at 9:59 amSquiggy, that was you failing to get a piece on a coctail napkins. And now it's you backpedaling from your insult of Al Gore and Michael Moore.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:01 amSad that you will teach your kids values that supporting a murdering, lying president is okay, but when someone tries to help the common man, even by breaking a ridiculous law needs to be punished.
I don't see any GOP'ers like Rush, Oreilly trying to help the people who were heroes of 9-11/
Bob you are a piece of sh1t. Hope you end up back in Iraq soon, with a ak-47 round through your puny brain.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:03 amTypical Republican response to Michael Moore. If the truth makes you look like corrupt idiots, stifle the truth-tellers.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:03 amComment by Wayne — May 17, 2007 @ 9:54 am
Much like the people that have convicted the members of the Bush admin without a trial or legitimate investigation.
It is called "turn-about"
Hey, Moore could have used the Money for the Cuba trip to pay for medical treatment ing this country. But he would have rather politicized it to pimp his new movie.
HB didn’t they tell you. The Bush administration doesn’t believe in the rule of law. Apparently you did hear the part where they’re not allowing fair trials anymore since you already called the investigation over.
Comment by Shane — May 17, 2007 @ 9:53 am
Pay attention: I said Moore could call his investigation over. He violated the law. He did not follow the established procedures for travel/commerce in Cuba as dictated by US trade laws. These are not laws that have only been in place since Bush has been in office. These laws have been on the books ever simce the embargo against Cuba has been in place.
But that is OK. Keep up with the "But the Republicans break laws, so it is OK" shill. Remember, you become what you hate.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:03 amShane
now it’s you backpedaling from your insult of Al Gore and Michael Moore.
I have not backpedaled from insulting Gore, and I re-iterate that I did not insult Michael Moore.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:04 amI figured out world peace once, but once I sobered up I couldn’t find the cocktail napkin I diagrammed it on… does that count for an accomplishment?
Comment by squegeebooo
What? No more jokes about grieving arab mothers? mmmm...
You violated the law.
Investigation over.
Comment by hacker bob
Heh. I love the "law" card.
Poor people stealing Kwik-e-Marts: Fry them! Zero tolerance!
May 17th, 2007 at 10:06 amRich people murdering, lying and profiteering: Lets wait for the trial to begin. Lets be civilized.
But that is OK. Keep up with the “But the Republicans break laws, so it is OK†shill. Remember, you become what you hate.
Comment by hacker bob — May 17, 2007 @ 10:03 am
So when you defend murderers, thieves, criminals accusing a criminal of going to a "Banned" country.. What does that make you bob??
A piece of sh1t.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:08 amJuan C
What? No more jokes about grieving arab mothers? mmmm…
There was no good lead into it.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:09 am“. . . government’s failure to respond adequately to the environmental crisis in Lower Manhattan†after 9/11."
Guiliani later added, "My 9/11 record speaks for itself. I decided to keep our response center in the World Trade Center despite it having been attacked in the past, it being the biggest target in New York, and having been advised to move it underground. How's that for leadership. Now, I'm going to put on a chenille skirt and relax for a while."
May 17th, 2007 at 10:09 amAl Gore will release his new book The Assault on Reason
Sounds about right for a book written by Gore.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 17, 2007 @ 9:24 am
Ironic, coming from a global warming denier like squegeebooo.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:13 amIn other news, 10 months old, gets weapon license, gun, and ammo as gift:
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/05/15/baby.gun.ap/index.html?eref=rss_offbeat
May 17th, 2007 at 10:13 amObviously hacker bob believes that the rule of law applies only to critics of the administration, not the administration itself. Way to go, goosestepper.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:15 amWayne, helping heros will also get you in trouble uner the Bush Reich.
Comment by Shane
As will being a CIA agent who investigates WMDs, while Bush is trying to push that someone has nukes, when they don't. ( see the whole Valerie Plame, Iraq War runup )
Under Bushco, you are only a hero when you Lie, cheat, steal, or are a Republican that keeps his mouth shut about the crimes.
If you are a real hero, like one of our military, you are rewarded by being redeployed to Iraq wounded, being housed in sub par conditions while recovering, having extended tours, while they can still lie to cut short the time back home to redeploy you early, or deploy you without body armor.
Bob, it really f*cking amazes me that with all the crap Bush has done to the men and women that serve, you still seem to support him and the crap he does. Really amazing.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:16 amOh, and I don't see the same heavy handed policy used with Michael Moore referring to Luis Posada Carriles. I'm shocked, being the USA such a strong fighter against terrorism worldwide.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:17 amVerbalKint
Ironic, coming from a global warming denier like squegeebooo.
I'm not a denier. I just don't care. Heck, I'd love a warmer winter. It makes the biking that much nicer.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:17 amComment by Can-O-Whoop-Ass — May 17, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Hey, I am supporting the rule of law, period. It does not matter who is in the White House. I teach my kids the value of following the law, even if you do not agree with it. I teach them that if a law is unjust, work to get it changed. I also teach them to be accountable for their actions.
Yep, really shi!ty things to teach my kids, I know.
As for the rest of your comment, I will just say that you seem to be the last person talking about what should be taught to kids. I guess hate is a good value to teach. But anytime you would liketo come out to North Carolina and back up you mouth, let me know.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:17 amEvil Spaniard, I wonder why Chicago is so violent.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:18 amBut that is OK. Keep up with the “But the Republicans break laws, so it is OK†shill. Remember, you become what you hate.
Comment by hacker bob — May 17, 2007 @ 10:03 am
40,000 rescue workers sick and dying because they were told it was safe to work at the 9/11 site. And what was the rush to remove all evidence before it was actually safe to do so? And now there is no healthcare being supplied by the government that sent them into the toxic cesspool. But the man who takes them to get healthcare is the guilty party. Silly me.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:19 amIronic, coming from a global warming denier like squegeebooo.
Comment by VerbalKint — May 17, 2007 @ 10:13 am
If you knew him you would laugh at that statement.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:20 amI hope Al Gore talks about IOKIYAR in his new book.
Republicans can get away with stuff they would put Dems in jail for, but
Its Okay If You're a Republican.
Republicans lie to start wars, okay torture, have a wife AND a mistress while talking about family values, and illegally wiretap our phones, but
Its Okay If You're a Republican.
Republicans are harboring anti-Castro Cuban terrorists who are wanted for blowing up hotels and an airliner, but...
Its Okay If You're a Republican.
Republicans are destroying the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Habeus Corpus, Civil Rights, and the Rule of Law itself, but...
Its Okay If You're a Republican.
When is this bullsh*t going to stop???
May 17th, 2007 at 10:21 amHacker Bob is a lying sack of shit.
He says he supports the rule of law, but he is obviously a Chimpyloving Repuke.
You can't be both, Bob. Chimpy and his goons are crooks.
If you support the rule of law, you cannot support the current regime.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:22 amIf you are a real hero, like one of our military,
Comment by Wayne
Or single moms with two kids struggling to pushe them through life, underpaid teachers, underpaid workers, students. Lets strip them all social programs. We all know how those low lives have had a free ride. /sarc
May 17th, 2007 at 10:22 amMuch like the people that have convicted the members of the Bush admin without a trial or legitimate investigation.
Hacker Bob, who's convicted? The Bush members won't even resign when confronted with wrong doings. Yeah, those Bushies have really suffered unjustly, please.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:22 amBut anytime you would liketo come out to North Carolina and back up you mouth, let me know.
Comment by hacker bob
Running out of arguments, right?
May 17th, 2007 at 10:24 am#53 What amazes me is the fact that, in the USA, you must be 18 or 21 years old to vote or drink, but zero age control to have a gun. And the NRA psychos feel "oppressed". Yeah, right.
As about Chicago itself, I don't know, it's a big industrial city, with a s#cking weather (frozen balls winter et al), probably a stressful place. I know that there have been a good couple of weapon 'incidents'.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:25 amJuan C
What? No more jokes about grieving arab mothers? mmmm…
There was no good lead into it.
Comment by squegeebooo
Our Squeegy -- how I've missed you, hun.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:26 amObviously hacker bob believes that the rule of law applies only to critics of the administration, not the administration itself. Way to go, goosestepper.
Comment by VerbalKint — May 17, 2007 @ 10:15 am
No, It applies to the admin as well. Have I ever said that the current admin or any member of the current admin is above the law? Have I ever said that the rule of law does not apply to all people in this country equally? Bush, Moore, a Joe down the street are all subject to the same laws. What you fail to realize is that the people that hold the offices that can start the investigation process on Bush are not doing it.
Bob, it really f*cking amazes me that with all the crap Bush has done to the men and women that serve, you still seem to support him and the crap he does. Really amazing.
Comment by Wayne — May 17, 2007 @ 10:16 am
Wayne, Just because I say that the law applies to Moore equally instantly means I support Bush? Nice streach. If you can find someone to investigate and charge Bush, then go for it. Again, he nor anyone else is above the law. The elected officials that should be doing it aren't. And those are the people that were elected into office last November.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:26 amSo everyone's logic here is, it's ok to break the law so long as it's to criticize the administration?
May 17th, 2007 at 10:27 amSeriously, if he were only concerned about their well-being, he could have taken them to Canada, which is much closer. Taking them to Cuba, though, allows him to make two points, one on how the workers from ground zero were treated (horribly) and how Cuba -- third world nation and U.S. "enemy" -- has a better health care system than we.
He went to be controversial (mission accomplished!) not altruistic.
Robert,
Martin Luther King, Jr and Mahatma Ghandi broke the rule of law.
Each of them paid a heavy price for doing so, but I think it was worth it.
Don't you?
May 17th, 2007 at 10:28 amZooey
Martin Luther King, Jr and Mahatma Ghandi broke the rule of law.
Each of them paid a heavy price for doing so, but I think it was worth it.
Don’t you?
I don't know, it's like Colbert's 'Word' on Rosa Parks
May 17th, 2007 at 10:31 am"I just think Rosa Parks was overrated. Last time I checked, she got famous for breaking the law."
Remember, you become what you hate.
Comment by hacker bob — May 17, 2007 @ 10:03 am
Gee, with that kind of 'logic' I guess there should be quite a rise in converts to Islam then!
May 17th, 2007 at 10:31 amRunning out of arguments, right?
Comment by Juan C — May 17, 2007 @ 10:24 am
No, this person wished death on me and I just invited him to come the NC and attempt to deliver it himself.
If you support the rule of law, you cannot support the current regime.
Comment by Tom3 — May 17, 2007 @ 10:22 am
Did I say I support Bush?
But the man who takes them to get healthcare is the guilty party. Silly me.
Comment by Shane — May 17, 2007 @ 10:19 am
But I guess we don't have doctors in this country.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:31 amThe Justice Department on Wednesday told an angry Senate Judiciary Committee chairman it does not have documents described in a subpoena that demands all materials relating to Karl Rove’s possible involvement in the U.S. attorney firings. Instead, it said, Rove’s lawyer must have them.
Brilliant!
Any question why people dislike lawyers?*
*Except Briseadh na Faire, who is a fine lawyer and fabulous person. :)
May 17th, 2007 at 10:31 amHacker Bob, maybe Moore was trying to get the law changed so that the uninsured could go to Cuba for treatment. I pay for group healthcare insurance for my employees. $275 per week per employee. That's almost $1,200 per month, twice as much as 6 years ago. Who can pay that kind of money when it's no given by the employer. But you wouldn't know about that being on the government payroll.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:32 amWhat do you suggest people do, die and not complain? And because the people at ground zero weren't military how dare they expect to be treated like heros.
Robert Novak claims that Rove’s former aide Susan Ralston “has nothing to say that would cause problems for Rove.†But Novak concedes Rep. Henry Waxman’s (D-CA) investigation of Rove is causing concern in conservative circles. “One prominent conservative House member who did not want his name used told me, ‘We just want it to be over.’"
Oh yes, Novakula, it will be over.....sometime.....
May 17th, 2007 at 10:32 amZooey, you're great, but suggesting Michael Moore is like Ghandi and MLK?
May 17th, 2007 at 10:33 amThey broke laws that they felt were wrong and prejudicial.
No one here is arguing Moore did the same. They're arguing he took them to Cuba to get health care.
Again, he could have taken them to any number of places legally. He decided not to.
Argue the embargo is wrong. Great. Excellent argument. He didn't go as a man of peace!
Former EPA chief Christine Todd Whitman has refused a request by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (R-NY) that she testify about the “government’s failure to respond adequately to the environmental crisis in Lower Manhattan†after 9/11.
Rep. Nadler is a Democrat...not a Republican. And it's subpeona time, since she's refusing to appear before the committee. Her refusal speaks volumes.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:33 amWhat amazes me is the fact that, in the USA, you must be 18 or 21 years old to vote or drink, but zero age control to have a gun. And the NRA psychos feel “oppressedâ€.
Comment by Evil Spaniard
Gun companies. They make huge profits selling weapons to gang members, police, military, etc. You wont see anyone talking about that; it´s like a forbidden issue. We will hear that blacks are poor and crack addcited, that white poor people become violent, etc. etc. The root causes wont be solved. There is huge money in it.
For example like ETA and police. Do you think ETA wants to exterminate ETA? What are they going to pursuit after them? It is a huge business. I saw Lobo (Spanish movie with Eduardo Noriega), good movie.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:34 amFederal funding for abstinence education will likely fall considerably this year†as House commerce committee chairman John Dingell (D-MI) said Wednesday he will “let a $50 million grant program expire on June 30.†“Abstinence-only seems to be a colossal failure,†Dingell said.
No kidding.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:34 amWhen is this bullsh*t going to stop???
Comment by Tom3 — May 17, 2007 @ 10:21 am
You forgot paying for girlfriends' abortions while calling abortion murder at the same time.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:35 amComment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 10:28 am
The difference is the paid the price and didn't hide from the repercussions. They were not afraid to go to jail or the grave for their beliefs that benefited all men (and women).
May 17th, 2007 at 10:35 amMoore is no MLK Jr or Ghandi. Not even close.
It is obvious from the multitude of scandals over the past several years that the Chimpy Regime HAS broken the law. Wholesale.
Attorneygate testimony shows Gonzo going to Ashcroft's sick bed to arm-twist him into signing an okay to do ILLEGAL warrantless wiretaps.
Thank God that Ashcroft still believes in the Rule of Law and refused to sign it. Chimpy went ahead and okayed illegal wiretaps anyway.
Then there's the treason, the torture, and the lies about Iraq.
It is obvious to anyone that Chimpy's regime is crooked.
Unless you're Bastard Bob and think IOKIYAR.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:37 amMichael Moore is obviously not King or Ghandi, dumbass.
He's a filmmaker. And a good one.
Your hatred of Michael Moore exposes you as a supporter of the corrupt Chimpy regime, because his movie exposed their crimes.
Go back under your bridge, troll
May 17th, 2007 at 10:38 amSorry, Evil...it is: the police wants to exterminate ETA?
May 17th, 2007 at 10:41 amComment by hacker bob
Yes, If Moore broke the law, he should have to face a jury.
Bush has admitted to breaking the law (warrantless wiretaps)
Pelosi will not follow her obligation to the Constitution and Rule of Law to Impeach, so we can charge and try him.
The whole governement is broken, hypocritical and Rule of Law is what Bush wants applied to only his political enemies not "loyal bushies".
May 17th, 2007 at 10:45 amWith the crap going down with the DOJ, their aims are suspect.
I will believe Gonzo's DOJ when the jury hands down a verdictthat meets their charges
As about Chicago itself, I don’t know, it’s a big industrial city, with a s#cking weather (frozen balls winter et al), probably a stressful place. I know that there have been a good couple of weapon ‘incidents’.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — May 17, 2007 @ 10:25 am
I'm in Chicago, it's all "Cubs Frustration". As soon as they win the World Series it will be all over. Oh and the crappy weather and the really sad housing projects. But mostly its the Cubs.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:45 amTom, I'm a liberal. I thought liberals believed in equal treatment under the law.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:45 amI know liberals love Michael Moore. I thought his show on the Amadou Dialo murder was fantastic. He does good work. But that's not an excuse for breaking a law, whatever it may be.
Either way, the facts aren't all in. It's why there is an investigation.
There has been no finding outside of the blogosphere.
And we're not even talking about a serious crime, here. At most, he'd get a fine, most likely. Remember, the Yankees did business with the government and only got fined.
Hacker Bob, maybe Moore was trying to get the law changed so that the uninsured could go to Cuba for treatment.
If they can not afford healthcare, how are they going to afford a trip to Cuba?
I pay for group healthcare insurance for my employees. $275 per week per employee. That’s almost $1,200 per month, twice as much as 6 years ago. Who can pay that kind of money when it’s no given by the employer.
You are a good employer that cares for their employees.
But you wouldn’t know about that being on the government payroll.
I have not been on the on the government payrolls my entire life. I worked in the "real world" before joining the Marine Corps and I hade too pay for my own health care. See, I have been there. It can be done.
What do you suggest people do, die and not complain? And because the people at ground zero weren’t military how dare they expect to be treated like heros.
Comment by Shane — May 17, 2007 @ 10:32 am
No, the people at ground zero were and are heros. And just because someone is in the military does not make them a hero. But you know that as city, state, and federal employees, they have insurance. If they are not employed by the city, state or federal governments anymore and their illnesses are because of the work at ground zero, they can bring suit against the government. I believe we, as a nation OWE them health care for their work.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:46 amWhat you fail to realize is that the people that hold the offices that can start the investigation process on Bush are not doing it.
If you can find someone to investigate and charge Bush, then go for it. Again, he nor anyone else is above the law. The elected officials that should be doing it aren’t. And those are the people that were elected into office last November.
Comment by hacker bob —
No that would be the Department of Justice naming a special prosecutor to investigate. Like Janet Reno did when she named Ken Starr to investigate Bill Clinton. The congress is investigating but it is not the same as having a special prosecutor is it?
May 17th, 2007 at 10:48 amHe went to be controversial (mission accomplished!) not altruistic.
Comment by Wilco — May 17, 2007 @ 10:27 am
And you know that Canada's national healthcare was willing to treat them how?
May 17th, 2007 at 10:50 amFrom CNN this morning:
Officers faulted in mission that left 3 U.S. troops dead
Three U.S. soldiers slaughtered in a grisly kidnapping-murder plot south of Baghdad, Iraq, last June were not properly protected during a mission that was poorly planned or executed, a military investigation has concluded.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:51 amThose 9-11 workers are sick and dying because of Chimpy and his goons. Including Trudy Giuliani.
At least one of them has already died from the toxins released on 9-11.
His blood is on Repuke hands.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:52 amI thought liberals believed in equal treatment under the law.
Comment by Wilco
At least not me. Laws are made by the powerful, educated elite that rules any country. Justice has nothing to do with it.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:52 amYes, If Moore broke the law, he should have to face a jury.
That is the whole point I was making. But I decided to goo ahead and convict him in the blogs just as Gonzalez, Bush, Clinton, McCain, etc. Have been.
Bush has admitted to breaking the law (warrantless wiretaps)
Pelosi will not follow her obligation to the Constitution and Rule of Law to Impeach, so we can charge and try him.
Agreed. So, if they (Congress) will not follow their obligation to remove him, then they are by default supporting him.
The whole governement is broken, hypocritical and Rule of Law is what Bush wants applied to only his political enemies not “loyal bushiesâ€.
With the crap going down with the DOJ, their aims are suspect.
I will believe Gonzo’s DOJ when the jury hands down a verdictthat meets their charges
Comment by Wayne — May 17, 2007 @ 10:45 am
I would like to see the ACTUAL rule of law return. It has been slipping away for more than just the past 6 years. The last 6 have just seen it's demise accelerated.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:53 amBut I guess we don’t have doctors in this country.
Comment by hacker bob — May 17, 2007 @ 10:31 am
You probably wouldn't know this but in this country doctors charge about 3 times as much for self pay to make us for negotiated rates for insurance pay. For example, I payed $600 for my daughters 5th grade physical because well-child care isn't covered. Maybe you should see the movie and learn something about the healthcare crisis in this country.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:54 amHey Bluedahlia BJ Clinton , Sandy Burgler and Hilary " I'll Hide those Rose Law Firm and FBI Files " Clinton are above the Law
May 17th, 2007 at 10:55 amShane, how do you know Cuba's was?
May 17th, 2007 at 10:57 amHow do you know America's wasn't?
Do you really believe that Michael Moore, who became notorious for Fahrenheit 9/11, a film highly critical of this administration, and a vocal opponent of the administration outside of his films, went to Cuba just so he could help out a couple pals?
He was making a movie. He knew it was illegal to go; this is made obvious by the fact he applied for permission to go!
Are you really suggesting that Cuba is the only nation that would agree to treat them?
I don't agree with the embargo one bit. It's ridiculous to refuse to deal with Cuba for allowing Russian nukes on their soil, but we'll make all sorts of deals with the Russian government.
But the law is the law. If you think it's a bad law, work to change it. No matter what, breaking what you know to be the law necessarily means you accept any and all consequences associated with it.
Moore is no MLK Jr or Ghandi. Not even close.
Comment by hacker bob — May 17, 2007 @ 10:35 am
Moore is no George Bush or Dick Cheney. Not even close.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:57 am#80 Sorry, Evil…it is: the police wants to exterminate ETA?
Comment by Juan C — May 17, 2007 @ 10:41 am
There are a series of different police officers in the police. Everyone has its motivations, and probably there exists police officers that don't want the end of ETA, if they see their charges or political aspirations in danger.
A good example now is the judgement of the responsibles of the 11-M terrorists. The rightist Popular Party has the strategy (yet!) of relationing ETA with the terrorist bombing, no matter what, altough the same days of the bombings there were discovered strong evidences pointing to islamic fundamentalists, evidences that have been confirmed and coupled with a multitude of new ones. Not a evidence has been produced pointing to ETA. Even a high police officer (with strong ties to the Popular Party) claiming that he had confirmation from an aide that there existed evidences of ETA collaboration, has been found lying, because he has no evidences at hand, and the aide that he claimed that confirmed his version, has denied that he confirmed the ETA relation.
I suppose that it demonstrates that there exists a series of professionals inside the police force, that aren't eager to lie for the sake of the Popular Party.
BTW, the Popular Party has been using dirty tricks to try to blame ETA all the way, even using the AVT, an association of victims of terrorism (from ETA largely) as a club against the victims of the 11M attack (because the 11M victims were not largely from the Popular Party, as are the victims of ETA), and the Zapatero Government.
Well, off to lunch. See ya all later.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:59 amWilco & Robert,
I don't know how you could know Moore's motives for doing anything. I wonder why he took those people to Cuba, as well. Why don't we find out?
I'm not equating Moore with King & Ghandi, I'm saying they also broke the law. They took the consequences, and so will Moore if it comes to that. Moore is not stupid. He must have weighed the consequences beforehand, and decided he was willing to pay the price.
You guys may hate Moore for whatever reason, but he's one of the greatest patriots in this country.
It's possible to get stuck on "the law." People such as yourselves respect and obey the law, and that's good. Understand that there are bad laws out there, but they suit a certain population's purposes, so they remain. These laws need to be challenged, but doing so breaks those laws. It's still worth doing. I respect that.
May 17th, 2007 at 10:59 amIf they are not employed by the city, state or federal governments anymore and their illnesses are because of the work at ground zero, they can bring suit against the government. I believe we, as a nation OWE them health care for their work.
Comment by hacker bob — May 17, 2007 @ 10:46 am
There was money allotted for them but it has run out and has not been funded. So they should have to wait for a suit to be settled in about 10 years. Yes we OWE them healthcare. Your one of them, why don't you let the administration know.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:03 amI don’t know, it’s like Colbert’s ‘Word’ on Rosa Parks
“I just think Rosa Parks was overrated. Last time I checked, she got famous for breaking the law.â€
Comment by squegeebooo
That's not even the point, and you know it, Squeegy.
YOu do know Colbert is comedy, right? :P
May 17th, 2007 at 11:03 amAh yes stacking the courts paying off once again.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:03 amComment by Shane — May 17, 2007 @ 10:54 am
We are talking about the Moore case. He could have easily paid for treatment of these people in the US, or taken them to Canada. Why did he have to choose Cuba? To be controversial and sell his movie. He knew exactly what he was doing it and used these people as marketing tools. Hey, free publicity. Capitalism at it's finest. But don't try to make him out to be some selfless modern day Robin Hood.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:03 am“The Injustice Department on Wednesday told an angry Senate Judiciary Committee chairman it does not have documents described in a subpoena demanding all materials relating to KKKarl Rove’s possible involvement in the U.S. attorney firings. It said, Rove’s lawyer must have eaten them.â€
Every week that passes, these guys come across more and more like organized crime.
"I don't remember, your honor..."
"I plead the 5th, your honor..."
"To the best of my recollection, I have no memory of having stuffed the 67 pounds of documents you requested into a shredder, your honor..."
Since they want to behave like organized crime, isn't it time we treated them like organized crime?
RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO!
May 17th, 2007 at 11:05 amRICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO!
RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO! RICO!
You guys may hate Moore for whatever reason, but he’s one of the greatest patriots in this country.
Comment by Zooey
Spot on. Michael Moore is intelligent, funny and a great defender of american working class. That alone makes him what you just said.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:06 amMoore is no George Bush or Dick Cheney. Not even close.
Comment by Shane — May 17, 2007 @ 10:57 am
Touché!
May 17th, 2007 at 11:06 amWhy did he have to choose Cuba?
Comment by hacker bob
Cuba has better doctors and they charge zero.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:07 amZooey,
May 17th, 2007 at 11:07 amI don't hate Moore one bit. I think he's a funny, entertaining guy.
I don't know his motives, no. But I feel my speculation is probably closer to the truth than his alleged altruism on this site. He's not a stupid man.
Nor am I stating he's bad for breaking the law. I don't like the embargo. We should be able to travel anywhere in the world we please.
I've never heard Moore himself argue he's above the law, just people on here seem to be saying that.
It may well be morally ok to break this law, but it is still the law. If he is found guilty, then he can challenge the constitutionality of it (and I hope he would).
But we are a nation of laws. And our system allows for a means to correct bad laws. And just because someone doesn't like a law does not mean he should not be prosecuted under it. That is an argument this administration makes time and again and people on this site should be above that.
Trust that if he truly didn't do anything wrong, that the judicial system will take care of him. No one should ever be above the law. That is my simple point.
Spot on. Michael Moore is intelligent, funny and a great defender of american working class. That alone makes him what you just said.
Comment by Juan C — May 17, 2007 @ 11:06 am
Michael Moore is out for the greater glory of Michael Moore. Just as Bush is out for the greater glory of Bush. If someone gets thrown a bone in the process, so be it.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:09 amWilco, I assume Cuba was willing to treat them reasonably because they went to Cuba ... duh. I don't know all of it because the movie isn't out yet.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:09 amPeople were sick, Michael Moore filed for permission, aited, then felt the sick need treatment immediately and went to Cuba. Get a cross and crucify him, evil bastard that he is.
At least not me. Laws are made by the powerful, educated elite that rules any country. Justice has nothing to do with it.
Comment by Juan C — May 17, 2007 @ 10:52 am
Exactly.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:09 amMoore is no George Bush or Dick Cheney. Not even close.
Comment by Shane — May 17, 2007 @ 10:57 am
Nope - if he was like them he would have just invaded Cuba and taken over their health care system by force!
May 17th, 2007 at 11:11 amThe civil lawsuit brought by outed CIA agent Valerie Plame “is expected to face a withering attack this morning at a court hearing in Washington,†where attorneys for Vice President Cheney, Scooter Libby and others will urge Judge John Bates — a Bush appointee and former Ken Starr aide — that “the case be thrown out.â€
Umm, why are you quoting the New York Sun for this story? Plame faces a withering attack? I think it's just as easy to say the complaint filed in the case makes a withering attack against the defendants.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:12 amhacker bob, you say you support the rule of law. I say b*llsh*t. If you did support it, you would be here with the rest of us clamoring for impeachment of Bush and criminal indictments for several hundred members of his inner circle.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:13 amIf someone gets thrown a bone in the process, so be it.
Comment by hacker bob
That post is unsupported by proof and really, really stupid.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:15 amZooey
That’s not even the point, and you know it, Squeegy.
YOu do know Colbert is comedy, right? :P
Does he? I take him at face value...
As for this Moore thing, I've got to agree with hacker bob, he choose Cuba over other places, such as Canada, to generate more interest in his movie, not out of touching concern for the people he helped.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:15 amShane, you're assuming a great deal. If you really believe he took them to Cuba because you felt they could get the best treatment there, fine. Maybe true.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:16 amBut again, it does not excuse breaking the law. If he's standing up for his convictions, great! More power to him!
But if my convictions tell me it's ok to beat up the homeless, should I be exempt from prosecution? Of course not.
Yes, it's a bad law. Sure.
So protest by not following. Great. But don't expect there to be no consequences.
#105 - Wilco
Please see Juan's comment at #89 for the most simple answer.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:16 amIt’s possible to get stuck on “the law.†People such as yourselves respect and obey the law, and that’s good. Understand that there are bad laws out there, but they suit a certain population’s purposes, so they remain. These laws need to be challenged, but doing so breaks those laws. It’s still worth doing. I respect that.
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 10:59 am
Very well said. It's important to remember, also, that there were laws in Nazi Germany that made it illegal to shelter Jews. Those who broke the law saved many lives. Those who followed the laws were responsible for killing many more than were saved.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:18 amZooey, I don't disagree with that comment.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:19 amIt's disgusting how this administration and the New York City admin has treated these people. I'm just not used to people here arguing the ends justify the means.
Hacker_bob, when Michael Moore went to his hometown of Flint, Michigan, to show how the town was suffering from the loss of jobs was he not trying to help then.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:22 amLook at http://www.imdb.com/ and you will see many other films.
What you can't see but I can on Imdbpro is that many of these movies have no box office revenues at all. Who exactly has he been hurting in this country?
As for this Moore thing, I’ve got to agree with hacker bob, he choose Cuba over other places, such as Canada, to generate more interest in his movie, not out of touching concern for the people he helped.
Comment by squegeebooo
Squeegy,
The entire point of doing a movie like "Sicko" is to expose the problems of the healthcare system in this country.
I think taking sick 9/11 workers to Cuba for treatment they might be able to get here, but cannot afford, is a very good way to demonstrate such problems.
And it takes a shot at the hypocrisy of this administration for saying they would take care of these workers, and then failing to do so.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:24 amTrust that if he truly didn’t do anything wrong, that the judicial system will take care of him. No one should ever be above the law. That is my simple point.
Comment by Wilco — May 17, 2007 @ 11:07 am
All the thread said is he's investigating the incident. He filed for permission, why was it held up, things like that. All we're supporting is his right to investigate which you naysayers are against.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:25 amMichael Moore is out for the greater glory of Michael Moore. Just as Bush is out for the greater glory of Bush. If someone gets thrown a bone in the process, so be it.
Comment by hacker bob
If Moore was out for the greater glory of Moore, he would not be making the movies that he is making.
He sees a social issue and tries to bring those issues to the forfront.
He is trying to educate, to open peoples eyes and force them to think. You may not agree with him, I certainly do not always agree with him, but he makes you think about the issue he is bringing forth. You then start asking your own questions.
Have you actually seen any of his movies?
May 17th, 2007 at 11:27 amAnd it takes a shot at the hypocrisy of this administration for saying they would take care of these workers, and then failing to do so.
Comment by Zooey
This administration will be a text book example of hypocricy when it is all said and done.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:30 amZooey, I don’t disagree with that comment.
It’s disgusting how this administration and the New York City admin has treated these people. I’m just not used to people here arguing the ends justify the means.
Comment by Wilco
I know. It's kind of weird. :)
It's not a black and white world. If it were, it would be simpler, but not nearly as interesting.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:32 amZooey
The entire point of doing a movie like “Sicko†is to expose the problems of the healthcare system in this country.
I look at it as:
The entire point of doing a movie like “Sicko†is to make some more money.
Maybe when he did 'Roger & Me' he cared about the people, but now I think he just wants another couple mil.
Then again I rarely see the good in people before the bad...
May 17th, 2007 at 11:37 am#121 -- Wayne
Well said. Moore is an excellent film maker. He could be making a hell of a lot more money than he already does.
Anyone who exposes the things Moore does would be catching the crap, but since he's a big slobby guy and doesn't apologize for it, he's an even better target.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:39 amsee the oral argument motion
for today's valerie plame wilson
civil suit against dick cheney, et al.,
right here -- some REAL fireworks to come. . .
check back. . .
May 17th, 2007 at 11:43 amI have to say that Moore destroyed the myth that US citizens were stupid. I mean...Reagan didnt help too much. ;)
May 17th, 2007 at 11:45 amThen again I rarely see the good in people before the bad…
Comment by squegeebooo
That's just part of your charm, babes.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:48 amAl Gore talking about “Reasonâ€. How inconvenient is that?
May 17th, 2007 at 11:49 amI have to say that Moore destroyed the myth that US citizens were stupid. I mean…Reagan didnt help too much. ;)
Comment by Juan C
It seems like we're more stupid since Reagan. :D
May 17th, 2007 at 11:49 am"It seems like we’re more stupid since Reagan."
Umm, I think you mean "stupider"
May 17th, 2007 at 11:52 amThe entire point of doing a movie like “Sicko†is to make some more money.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 17, 2007 @ 11:37 am
Are you a communist or something? What's wrong with making money AND helping the world at the same time? Is making money only allowed when you are hurting the world?
May 17th, 2007 at 11:54 amAl Gore has authored a new book, The Assault on Reason. Excerpted in Time, the book is a jeremiad against the crippled state of American political discourse and democracy itself. But as prescient as Gore is on the decline of public debate in America, he may well understate the more fundamental transformation: politics itself as entertainment.
For the story, see:
May 17th, 2007 at 11:56 am"Politics as Theater: Al Gore's New Book 'The Assault on Reason.'"
It seems like we’re more stupid since Reagan. :D
Comment by Zooey
Heheheh. I dont want to jump into conclusions but voting Bush twice...mmm...you know. Heh. ;)
Later, Z scout. :D
May 17th, 2007 at 11:56 amIs it a serious belief to say that voting for Ronald Reagan was stupider than voting for Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale? Pleezeeee.....
May 17th, 2007 at 11:57 amIs making money only allowed when you are hurting the world?
Comment by VerbalKint
haha. That was great.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:57 amVerbalKint
Is making money only allowed when you are hurting the world?
Preferably.
If your not clubbing seals or making children cry, your not doing your job right. That's what I've always said anyways.
May 17th, 2007 at 11:58 amComment by Patrick1
Look...
May 17th, 2007 at 12:05 pmSomeone mentioned the word stupid and patrick1 thought we were calling him.
bad troggy. shoo.
Dear Michael,
I wish you luck in your pursuit.
Regards,
May 17th, 2007 at 12:06 pmWillie Nelson
Good morning all, Damn it's Thursday and the TV has had the second most miserable person in the world on for what seemed like forever, bush...I am so sick of him and his handlers I could spit....Let's work together to get this war ended and the cancer out of our government....The only way to do that is to demand Palosi and Reid put impeachment back on the table, immedietly.....Just do it, join me and bury them in phone call's, fax's, email's, and letter's...I've had enough, time's running out for thousand's of live's in Iraq and here......Make them accountable to do their job's or consider them enabelers and let's start a new party.....bush and all are guilty of wiretapping and war crime's, over 700,000 lives have been lost because of them and more every day.....
Leave the site as I am going to do and do what must be done for our country and the world....Blessings
May 17th, 2007 at 12:07 pmI'm sure TP will have full details of this story later in the day. But here is a preview while they are conducting I'm sure an exhaustive investigation.
Jerry Seper at the WashTimes reports:
Samuel R. Berger, the Clinton White House national security adviser who was caught taking highly classified documents from the National Archives, has agreed to forfeit his license to practice law.
In a written statement issued by Larry Breuer, Mr. Berger's attorney, the former national security adviser said he pleaded guilty in the Justice Department investigation, accepted the penalties sought by the department and recognized that his law license would be affected.
"I have decided to voluntarily relinquish my license," he said. "While I derived great satisfaction from years of practicing law, I have not done so for 15 years and do not envision returning to the profession. I am very sorry for what I did, and I deeply apologize."
Uh-huh. The real reason he gave it up?
In giving up his license, Mr. Berger avoids being cross-examined by the Board on Bar Counsel, where he risked further disclosure of specific details of his theft.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:09 pmWillie Nelson
Comment by Patrick1
You got something against Willie Nelson?
The same Willie Nelson that has put his money where his mouth is on the environment and created his own bio-desiel plant?
What a peice of crap you are trollboy.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:14 pmSamuel R. Berger -- stupidf*ck1
Old story and TP actually covered it. Look in the archives, dumbass.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:17 pmStill waiting on the Sandy Burglar story..tap..tap..tap..waiting.....
May 17th, 2007 at 12:19 pm#141 Another cut and paste from the stupidest-troll-ever.
Patrick, the world has moved on. Berger got caught trying to remove copies of classified documents. It was wrong, he got caught, and he got punished. No originals were destroyed, and the only motive ever ascertained was to help him prepare for his upcoming testimony. The stories about stuffing things down his pants and destroying sensitive originals have been thoroughly debunked. These false claims have been orchestrated by the Karl Rove smear machine to which you belong.
Patrick, are you that desperate to deflect the discussion from today's crimes by your employers? Yes, I think so.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:21 pmPatrick-most-ineffective-troll-ever, I have coined an acronym for you to use in all your future posts:
CDIPDIBDI
It stands for "Clinton did it, Pelosi did it, Berger did it." So that is all you have to write, 9 letters per post. You will be able to quadruple your number of daily posts.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:24 pmStill waiting........
May 17th, 2007 at 12:29 pmBurglar's theft makes the 9/11 Commission Report meaningless.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:31 pmStill waiting……..
Comment by Patrick1 — May 17, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
For what? Bush's approval rating to crawl up to 30%?
May 17th, 2007 at 12:31 pmI love it.
Michael Moore has hit quite a nerve among the right.
Good.
More publicity.
But unlike Coulter or Limbaugh or Beck, he actually backs up his claims.
This is what drives the right absolutely nutz.
While "they" claim stupid a$$ $hit, (like all the W's were removed from the keyboards of the white house, or Vince Foster was murdered, along with the teenagers in Arkansas for a Clinton drug deal gone bad), with no proof whatsoever, MM makes his claim, and then provides (gasp) proof! Sure, it may be askewed for his bias, but he has never made crap up. And that absolutely drives the right ape $hit.
And of course, he makes a ton of money exposing the hypocrisy of this administration, as well as certain aspects of our country (NRA). Good for him. But take a look at his charitable contributions, and one can see he's not a F*CK YA'LL, IT'S MINE AND NO ONE ELSE'S type like your typical Halliburton CEOs
And there's a reason why no one of the right has been succesful exposing the "left hypocricy" through the cinema. Because visually, you need proof, which is something the likes of Coullter or Limbaugh could never offer.
Just saying (rambling)
May 17th, 2007 at 12:31 pmBurglar’s theft makes the 9/11 Commission Report meaningless.
Comment by Patrick1 — May 17, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
Why?
May 17th, 2007 at 12:34 pmIt prevented them from fully understanding the degree of incompetence and corruption of the Clinton adminstration on the path to 9/11 and the mass murder of 3,000 Americans.
It would also explain why there was no response by the left to the threat of Islamo Fascism. Without that information contained in Burglar's stolen documents the historical record of the left's weakness remains not completely known. Though the dead tell a pretty good story.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:38 pmStill waiting on the Sandy Burglar story..tap..tap..tap..waiting…..
Comment by Patrick1 — May 17, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
I'm sure they have it on one of those Reich Wing sites. Please, feel free to go at any time. Go taptaptap yourself, loser.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:45 pmIt's been said before, but
How does one tell when Patrick1nut is cutting and pasting from a right wing blog?
His posts are more than one sentence long, and filled with no grammatical errors or run on sentences.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:47 pmPeadick1, that ass of yours must be huge with all the crap you just pulled out of it.
May 17th, 2007 at 12:49 pmUmm, I think you mean “stupiderâ€
Comment by Wilco
I couldn't do that. I've been harassing Mr President for days about his poor grammar. :)
May 17th, 2007 at 1:12 pmStill waiting……..
Comment by Patrick1 — May 17, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
For what? Bush’s approval rating to crawl up to 30%?
Comment by VerbalKint
The UPS guy is delivering his new brain. It's from a guy named Normal....Abby Normal. :-)
May 17th, 2007 at 1:16 pm--mangled from Young Frankenstein
Just saying (rambling)
Comment by DRxJ
I love your rambling. :)
May 17th, 2007 at 1:18 pmHey, why isn't there a post about Bush being against the pay raise for the troops? Or did I just miss it?
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/05/military_payhike_whitehouse_070516/
Quick Summary:
May 17th, 2007 at 1:22 pmBush wanted 3%, house approved 3.5%, and Bush is calling the extra .5% unnecessary or some such thing
Squeegy,
From yesterday: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/16/troops-don%e2%80%99t-need-bigger-pay-raises/
May 17th, 2007 at 1:27 pmThanks Zoo, I just saw it now. Stupid cheeseburger comma from lunch.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:28 pmStupid cheeseburger comma from lunch.
Comment by squegeebooo
Whaaaa?
May 17th, 2007 at 1:46 pmhacker bob, you say you support the rule of law. I say b*llsh*t. If you did support it, you would be here with the rest of us clamoring for impeachment of Bush and criminal indictments for several hundred members of his inner circle.
Comment by VerbalKint — May 17, 2007 @ 11:13 am
I guess you miss the times that I say that the Congress is not doing their jobs…….
Have you actually seen any of his movies?
May 17th, 2007 at 1:50 pmComment by Wayne — May 17, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Yep, Bowling for Columbine and F 9/11. His editors are sure good at splicing film and using stock footage to fit things into the context HE wants them in.
Zooey
Whaaaa?
'Cheeseburger comma' is what I call it after you have a nice unhealthy lunch, and then your just out of it for the next hour or so.
May 17th, 2007 at 1:59 pm‘Cheeseburger comma’ is what I call it after you have a nice unhealthy lunch, and then your just out of it for the next hour or so.
Comment by squegeebooo
Ok, interesting.
Have you seen "Hot Fuzz" yet? It's fantastic.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:12 pmHave you seen “Hot Fuzz†yet? It’s fantastic.
You know I have.
You see Spidey 3? The middle section is Classic Sam Rami B Movie Cheese.
Hey can you send me an email at squegeeboo@yahoo.com (it's my spam account) that way I can send you one from my real email account, and that way I don't have to worry keeping in touch if I end up going on another hiatus from the site?
May 17th, 2007 at 2:26 pmNo, I did not see Spidey 3, I like good movies. :P
I'll send you an email -- I promise not to stalk you.
May 17th, 2007 at 2:33 pmUmmm... stalking Squegy? With all the biking he must have a rocky rear...
May 17th, 2007 at 3:00 pmEvil Spaniard
Ummm… stalking Squegy? With all the biking he must have a rocky rear…
Ha thanks. It is getting pretty tone.
May 17th, 2007 at 3:22 pmUmmm… stalking Squegy? With all the biking he must have a rocky rear…
Comment by Evil Spaniard
No, that's his head. He's too young for me to be thinking about his rear.
:-D
May 17th, 2007 at 3:42 pm#170 Ummm… stalking Squegy? With all the biking he must have a rocky rear…
Comment by Evil Spaniard
No, that’s his head. He’s too young for me to be thinking about his rear.
:-D
Comment by Zooey — May 17, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Well, then he's protected against these "Bush biking moments"...
May 18th, 2007 at 6:52 am