Troop Pay Raise That Bush May Veto Amounts To $6/Month To Average Soldier In Iraq
Troop Pay Raise That Bush May Veto Amounts To $6/Month To Average Soldier In Iraq
As ThinkProgress noted yesterday, President Bush has threatened to veto a House defense bill over a provision that raises the pay for U.S. soldiers by 3.5 percent, instead of the 3 percent preferred by the White House.
Last night on MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann, Todd Bowers — an Iraq war veteran and director of government affairs for the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America — broke down the White House’s position in dollar terms. Bowers explained that the difference between a 3 percent and 3.5 percent pay raise is the difference of six bucks a month for the average servicemember. Bowers said:
[The average servicemember] gets $1300 a month. You got expenses that you have to cover for. You got to take care of family members, car payments. It essentially adds up. This 3% raise would give them approximately $29 extra dollars, alright. Point five percent gives them an extra $6 dollars. We’re talking about $6 for someone that is serving over in Iraq and Afghanistan that is away from their families. It’s not too much to ask.
Watch it:
Transcript:
OLBERMAN: Mr. Bush says a 3% raise provides a good quality of life for service members and their families. Sketch for us the financial profile of the average service member’s family if you would be so kind.
TODD BOWERS: No problem. Average servicemember — you join the military as a private. You get $1300 a month. You got expenses that you have to cover for. You got to take care of family members, car payments. It essentially adds up. This 3% raise would give them approximately $29 extra dollars, alright. Point five percent gives them an extra $6 dollars. We’re talking about $6 for someone that is serving over in Iraq and Afghanistan that is away from their families. It’s not too much to ask.
OLBERMAN: Six bucks.
BOWERS: Six bucks.
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It's obvious which party protects and supports the troops. Support means more than just lip service and car magnets.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:04 pmNo one supports our troops like a conservative. They really do know what's best for them.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:05 pmBush doesn't give a cr*p about the troops.
To contrast, Bush's tax cuts give each person in the wealthiest 1% of Americans ($1,250,000+ in annual income) an average of $342,000 over the ten-years the cuts are in effect (before his artificial "expiration").
May 18th, 2007 at 12:07 pm(creepy kid on bicycle) six dollars ... I want my six dollars
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Maybe we should start an 'adopt a vet' program where "for only pennies a day" you can meet the pay gap for a hard working trooper.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:09 pmI don't think Sir Lies-A-Lot of Crawford listened to the generals on this one.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:10 pmOK TP what's the beef?
Is it that Bush continues to demand more and more out of our military while only giving them a 3% pay raise?
Is 3.5% that much better that those who approve it hold the right to stand up in the future and say "We care about our troops and Bush doesn't. To prove this we gave you a bigger salary raise than he wanted"
Frankly, either way, 3% or 3.5% sucks for what our soldiers deal with over there.
35$ more a month. WHOOOHOOOO! Now your wife (or husband) back home can treat the kids to a pizza once a month.
BFD
May 18th, 2007 at 12:11 pmWhat we need to do is cut all the administration's money along with the house and senate by $1,000.00 a month and send it to the troop's..We also need to bring them all home...I can't bleieve we are only paying them 1,300.00 a month when all the polatician's and Blackwater bunch are getting so much for nothing...Our troop's deserve atleast $3,000 a month...How can their famalies survive, oh I forgot, they aren't many have to use food bank's and welfare...Disgusting the way this administration treat's our troop's...Impeach now...Blessings
May 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pmThe erics et al of this nation think $6 extra a month for a Soldier serving in Iraq is too much.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:12 pmThe troops are overpaid as it is. Maybe we should give them a pay cut. They surely don't deserve what they make now. Why should we spend our tax dollars on a bunch of losers!
May 18th, 2007 at 12:16 pmSix Dollars! the President is having a snit over $6?! I can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality anymore.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:17 pmi got to agree with the blue healer here, they deserve waaaay more than this. It's better than nothing I guess, but it's a little like leave five pennies for a tip in a restuarant.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:18 pmBush doesn’t give a cr*p about the troops.
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch. — May 18, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Hey man, you don't have to edit the word 'crap', I think the only ones who would be offended are the 28-33%-ers who worship the mo-RON, who equate dissent with disloyalty, that always go to the 'but Clinton...' card.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:18 pmI'm the Commander guy, and I say our troops don't need all that extra money. Their widows don't need it either.
And I'm against that Buy American provision too. It hurts Americans when you Buy American. We need to keep buying everything from China.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:18 pmThe troops are overpaid as it is. Maybe we should give them a pay cut. They surely don’t deserve what they make now. Why should we spend our tax dollars on a bunch of losers!
Comment by m12 — May 18, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
I hope this is a name hijacking, these Kool-Aid swillers can't be THIS heartless can they?
May 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pmJeez that M12 is a disgusting troll.
Throw him back under his bridge.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pmWhat about the billions? of dollars we spend for Blackwater and other security contractors for basically the same services that our soldiers are doing, why is it ok to pay these guys 200K/year but we can't give our enlisted a small raise!
May 18th, 2007 at 12:22 pmChimpy should veto this bill. It will help guarantee a huge Repuke defeat in 2008.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:23 pmWhy isn't Mr. Bowers running for congress?
May 18th, 2007 at 12:24 pmI'm going to just keep sending the troops over there with little or no pay. Then I'm going to veto this bill. The hell with the troops. They never liked me anyway.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:28 pmThis has to be a name jacking. Not even NeoCon trolls can feel that way about our troops.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:28 pmPost #9 is a namejacking. m12 might be a reprehensible S.O.B., but even he would never commit the cardinal sin of slandering the troops.
To the anonymous namejacker:
Please refrain from such activity. The trolls here furnish us with enough legitimate ammunition...we don't need to invent more. This just makes everyone look bad.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:31 pm#21 agreed
May 18th, 2007 at 12:34 pmAs Bush and Cheney are Vets they think it more importent to give Iraq 2 billion dollars a week they give those soldiers risking their lives six dollars.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:35 pmIt's about time Americans realize what Bush means when he says SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, it means use them but don't really care about them. This is one example of how the GOP treats our service men/women. As usual the American people will follow the idiot-in-chief and he continues to lie and steal. Look for another world power to step up and take control. The US has been invaded by crimes and the American people just set back and watched. Our troops are dying everyday for nothing but the only people that care are military families. The United States will pay dearly for the mistake of allowing Bush/Cheney to commit the crime wave.
Maybe the troll faked his own namejacking to discredit others.
I wouldn't put it past these trolls. They're paid propagandists.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:36 pmHe's vetoing it cuz it's too small. I see. The decider wants more support for the troops.
/sarcasm
May 18th, 2007 at 12:37 pmPoint Five percent isn't alot, I agree, but consider the soldiers veterens benefits that have been slashed to hell. Oh, and leave the namejacking to the trolls, don't crawl in the mud with them.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:45 pmmy god for such little wages these troops are more stupid than I ever thought possible
May 18th, 2007 at 12:49 pmSomething didn't ring true to me about 1300 pay - that seemed FAR too low for fighting in a war - after a bit of googling (and questioning my friends brother who is in iraq) I found out that:
So, let's take a married E-5, with six years of service, stationed at San Diego, CA:
Base Pay: $2,205.30
Housing Allowance: $1535
Food Allowance: $267.18
Family Separation Allowance: $250
Hazardous Duty Pay: $225
Hardship Duty Pay: $100
Total: $4,582.48 per month, or $54,989.76 per year, tax-free
far far above the 1300 mark. I wonder if the 1300 was base pay for new recruits?, not including any hazard pay etc. Maybe someone could check into this more. If it is truly 1300 they get, thats completely unacceptable.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:51 pmFamilies in the military face additional issues related to salary trade offs, adequate leave and access to health care services. The Joint Economic Committee recently published a report focusing on the impact of current policy on military moms:
http://jec.senate.gov/Documents/Reports/MilitaryMoms05.11.07Final.pdf
May 18th, 2007 at 12:58 pmDon't tell me what to pay them. There lucky they get to serve for me in an unending war for oil and tax cuts!!
Shock and Awe!!!
May 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pmThe troops are overpaid as it is. Maybe we should give them a pay cut. They surely don’t deserve what they make now. Why should we spend our tax dollars on a bunch of losers!
Comment by m12
This is not my blog, but if it were the comment m12 made would get him/her banned from TP immediately. He/she is a troll - we all know that - but now he/she is an unreasonable troll spitting on our brave soldiers. Seems odd he/she isn't over there doing his/her duty. I guess chickenhawk is an apt label for m12.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pmAn insult by any standard.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:04 pmI have to pay the suckers $500,000 for dying for me
May 18th, 2007 at 1:08 pm30/ President Bush
I agree
May 18th, 2007 at 1:09 pm33 / Ha Ha they are Idiots Mr Pres
May 18th, 2007 at 1:10 pmIf they started winning YEH then give the mugs a payrise
May 18th, 2007 at 1:11 pmIf the Bush administration was not farming out war responsibilities to private contractors who charge millions for no-bid contracts to pay mercenaries $100K per year, we might have money to provide real pay for our real soldiers. One of the big issues here is the neocon program of privatizing the military.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:12 pmI say instead of paying Halliburton $99 per load of laundry that they wash, pay them $25 and send the rest into troop salaries.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:16 pmComment by Garf
I know for a fact that many enlisted families with kids have to apply for foodstamps to make ends meet.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pmThis war is being funded on the nation’s credit card. The nation is about to enter recession (says Alan Greenspan) and there is nothing that will stop it. I posted a USA Today article yesterday talking about gasoline. They are advocating "demand destruction" and at the same time predicting "material shortages" of gasoline. Read it for yourself...
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2007-05-15-gas-hearing-usat_N.htm
After 3 consecutive quarters of recession the term is changed to "depression" and if that happens most of us will wind up serving in IRAQ or wandering around.
Counter points??
May 18th, 2007 at 1:18 pmBFD
Comment by Blue Healer — May 18, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
So why not give it to them, Red Kneeler?
May 18th, 2007 at 1:20 pmGarf (#28): the full quote from Bowers: "Average servicemember — you join the military as a private. You get $1300 a month." That's an E-1 with no service time, not an E-5 with six years. (One could argue the "average servicemember" bit; I don't know what the median pay is across the enlisted ranks.)
And remember, folks, the GOP believes that nothing is too good for our troops. It's just that they haven't figured out how to give our troops less than nothing yet.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:21 pmThe troops are overpaid as it is. Maybe we should give them a pay cut. They surely don’t deserve what they make now. Why should we spend our tax dollars on a bunch of losers!
Comment by m12 — May 18, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
How much do you get paid for giving blow jobs underneath Rove's desk all day?
May 18th, 2007 at 1:21 pmI'm afraid that the Chimp in Chief can't have it both ways. You can't demand more money for this (illegal, ridiculous, shameful, insert your descriptor here) war AND THEN deny the troops a pay raise.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:22 pmI don't understand the Bush strategy here. His whole defense for anything is "support the troops." And it's not like he cares about going over budget. Please! What's the real reason here? It makes absolutely no sense...
May 18th, 2007 at 1:24 pmwhy should we give them a pay rise they aint won yet
May 18th, 2007 at 1:25 pmSomething didn’t ring true to me about 1300 pay - that seemed FAR too low for fighting in a war - after a bit of googling (and questioning my friends brother who is in iraq) I found out that:
So, let’s take a married E-5, with six years of service, stationed at San Diego, CA:
Base Pay: $2,205.30
Housing Allowance: $1535
Food Allowance: $267.18
Family Separation Allowance: $250
Hazardous Duty Pay: $225
Hardship Duty Pay: $100
Total: $4,582.48 per month, or $54,989.76 per year, tax-free
far far above the 1300 mark. I wonder if the 1300 was base pay for new recruits?, not including any hazard pay etc. Maybe someone could check into this more. If it is truly 1300 they get, thats completely unacceptable.
Comment by Garf — May 18, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
As proven by this post above, TP, and all left wingers are lying about this issue.
but what can we expect from the left, right? lies, lies, and more lies.
you can easily find in the interent what the pay rate is for military personnel.
why does the left feel the need to always lie.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:28 pmI think the trolls are just spoofing themselves because they don't have a legitimate argument and their job is just to distract. Also they can use their comments as typical posts on progressive blogs. I don't think anybody is namejacking them.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:29 pmThe current base pay across the board is more than $1300. If i had to hazard a guess, based purely on pay charts and rank weighting, i would say its actually more around 1700. But still, the difference of .5% is a ridiculous thing to get hung up on, because the military is (by its own measure) operating a MUCH higher operations tempo due to the goings on over in the middle east. Not to mention retention rates are dropping. Its the classic scenario of being forced to do more at a faster rate with less people.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:29 pmwhy should we give them a pay rise they aint won yet ?
May 18th, 2007 at 1:31 pmAs seen on this chart...
http://www.military.com/military/benefits/0,15465,military_pay_charts,00.html?registrationurl=/Registration/Login/
the 1301 pay rate that TP is talking about is given to E1s. You will be hard pressed to find out too many E1s. And this is just basic pay without talking about the other basic benefits.
TP is lying, like I lied during my Presidency.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:31 pmthey dont do anything except play netball for that money
May 18th, 2007 at 1:32 pmSix dollars a month is a LOT of money! Each troop member could buy four or five of those pretty "Support the Troops" car magnets EVERY month and hand them out to their friends and neighbors. Wouldn't the world be a prettier and safer place then?
/sarc off
May 18th, 2007 at 1:33 pmI think the trolls are just spoofing themselves because they don’t have a legitimate argument and their job is just to distract. Also they can use their comments as typical posts on progressive blogs. I don’t think anybody is namejacking them.
Comment by Shane — May 18, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Please my Liberal tool, (man did I use you guys during my Presidency), educate yourself.
http://www.military.com/military/benefits/0,15465,military_pay_charts,00.html?registrationurl=/Registration/Login/
As you can see, 1300 goes to an E1. E1 is new recruit, NOT those that in the battlefields.
I guess I taught my Liberal blind followers to lie and lie and then...lie some more.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:33 pmE1 BASE PAY 1235.10
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/militarypaycharts/l/bl05enbasepay.htm
May 18th, 2007 at 1:34 pmI as an ex-President demand that TP retract this article. I mean, I know I said it depends on what the meaning of the word, "is", is, but give me a break.
At least when I lied I made it sound good.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:34 pmThe White House is perfectly happy paying out the $100k a year to the hired guns but balks on a .5% raise to the US troops.
Another example of why the right is wrong.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:35 pmSix dollars a month is a LOT of money! Each troop member could buy four or five of those pretty “Support the Troops†car magnets EVERY month and hand them out to their friends and neighbors. Wouldn’t the world be a prettier and safer place then?
/sarc off
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — May 18, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
Just like my wife sounded like an idiot when she spoke about Health Care back in 1993 because she was poorly informed about this subject.
You sound like an idiot too.
please educate yourself. I want smart Liberals that make lying look good, ok?
You are embarrassing my lying skills that I try to teach Liberals during the 1990s.
please inform yourself and go to http://www.military.com/military/benefits/0,15465,military_pay_charts,00.html?registrationurl=/Registration/Login/
May 18th, 2007 at 1:38 pm1 mercenary is worth 10 lousy troops
May 18th, 2007 at 1:38 pmE1 BASE PAY 1235.10
http://usmilitary.about.com/ od/ militarypaycharts/ l/ bl05enbasepay.htm
Comment by DM — May 18, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
E1 base pay is 1235.10 if you have under 4 months of service! that is, if haven't finished book camp and done your school for your MOS.
once again, NEW RECRUITS! not battlefield soldiers.
http://www.military.com/military/benefits/0,15465,military_pay_charts,00.html?registrationurl=/Registration/Login/
May 18th, 2007 at 1:39 pmhttp://www.goarmy.com/contact/how_to_join.jsp
why dont you libs just put up, shut up and join up
May 18th, 2007 at 1:42 pm1 mercenary is worth 10 lousy troops
Comment by Mr President — May 18, 2007 @ 1:38 pm
Mr. President, if you knew how to speak like I do, like a used car salesman and fool everyone into believing lies like I did, you wouldn't have any problems.
During my time I didn't even bother trying to do a pay raise for the soldiers that my party now claims to support.
I am telling you, I taught Reid, Feingold, Pelosi, Murtha, etc well. They have learned to speak like a used car salesman and fool the weak minded Liberals.
I had so much fun doing it in the 1990s. I miss those days in which I got infront of a television camera and lied to the american people. The good old days.
But I have to tell you, Liberals are lying about this pay thing.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:44 pmWow this is a first... "President Clinton" is really boring and doesn't seem too bright.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:46 pmI guess I taught my Liberal blind followers to lie and lie and then…lie some more.
Comment by Preisdent Clinton
I wasn't talking about you because I don't even read posts by OBVIOUS trolls. Doesn't matter what you post or where. Don't believe it, don't care what Rush and O'Lielly have to say.
But it still pisses you off that Clinton didn't have to pay for blow jobs doesn't it.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:48 pm#60 You mean like the National Guard..?
Hmmmmmmm........
May 18th, 2007 at 1:49 pmWow this is a first… “President Clinton†is really boring and doesn’t seem too bright.
Comment by Max — May 18, 2007 @ 1:46
That's why he sounds just like Bush.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:50 pmWow this is a first… “President Clinton†is really boring and doesn’t seem too bright.
Comment by Max — May 18, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
Well with my wife, companion, thing or whatever the hell she means to me getting all the media attention, well.....I am really stressed out.
I miss the days when the cameras were on me and everything was about me.
I mean geez, I received 43% of the popular vote in 1992 and then 48% of the popular vote in 1996, knowing that President Bush got more popular votes than I did really, really, really hit my ego. :(
and now my wife gets all this attention! It is JUST NOT FAIR
May 18th, 2007 at 1:51 pm#60 You mean like the National Guard..?
Hmmmmmmm……..
Comment by DM — May 18, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
Hello, wow, I did a better job than I thought! you liberals are great at lying.
Once a National Guard becomes active he receives a pay hike.
National Guards that are just "weekend" warriors and not in the front lines get basic pay because they are receiving a regular pay from a civilian job.
Not fair that National Guards would get two paychecks that equal to a higher pay than those that are active, right?
But good my friend, I can relate to you, you lie as well as I did back in the 1990s.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:53 pmLooks like this thread has been completely jacked. Two points though, one a troop in the battle field receives hazard pay, and other compensation. So the base pay of $1300 while accurate, does not reflect what is paid to the average us combat soldier, and two even with all of the extras, US combat troops are not as well paid as say the blackwater mercenarys who make a damn sight more money, and from what I understand (thank you hacker bob) are better equipped.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:07 pmThe problem isnt necessarily that the troops arent getting paid enough, but simply that someone has the gall to stand in the way of them getting paid more. As i expressed earlier, these dudes are being asked to do more with less. So while 3 years ago it may have seemed like enough, or even last year, this year and future are different. People are being tasked harder and longer, and they (Army and Marines especially) deserve to be compensated. Because when leave they iraq all that extra money disappears as well, and they go back to making 1700 (base pay) while facing the prospect of returning to iraq again within 12 months.'
Also, the guy is standing in the way of an increase in death benefits. Seriously, death benefits.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:15 pmThe problem isnt necessarily that the troops arent getting paid enough, but simply that someone has the gall to stand in the way of them getting paid more. As i expressed earlier, these dudes are being asked to do more with less. So while 3 years ago it may have seemed like enough, or even last year, this year and future are different. People are being tasked harder and longer, and they (Army and Marines especially) deserve to be compensated. Because when leave they iraq all that extra money disappears as well, and they go back to making 1700 (base pay) while facing the prospect of returning to iraq again within 12 months.’
Also, the guy is standing in the way of an increase in death benefits. Seriously, death benefits.
Comment by viewtifulj — May 18, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
You know when I was President, Congress did this all the time. They would put all this earmarks on bills that on paper sounded good for someone, but when you looked at the details of the bill y ou would realize that yes you may do some good to some people, the earmarks and amendments to the bill were bad.
I know for a fact that Congress and my left wing pundit friends are being dishonest about this.
although I am glad that the left learned from me and are able to lie with such great ease.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:20 pm#61 - why dont you libs just put up, shut up and join up
Comment by Mr President — May 18, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
That goes both ways, Mr P.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pmThe #'s posted are for a fresh from boot camp E-1. Depending on what service they are in (rank ascension is deifferent for each service), they will not bbe an E-1 for long. I can speak for AF, as that is what service I am in. Here's how we break it down.
1st raise- whenyou graduate basic (8 weeks after joining)
E-2 promotion (if no discipline issues, ect) 6 months Time in Service (TIS)
E-3 promotion 16 Months TIS
E-4 promotion 36 Months TIS (Unless you get early rate, then it's 30 months TIS)
E-5 - E-7 we have to test for it, and it's up to the individual, how their evals have been, how the do on their promotion tests, fitness tests, ect. We are the slowest promoting service (typically). If you want, I can link the entire pay chart for you.
Oh yeah, all our pay isn't tax free, unless we are in a combat zone. Being stateside, my base pay and bonuses (if I got one, I don't) would all be taxable. My BAS (basic allowance for substinance), and BAH (basic allowance for housing) are not taxed. I also pay taxes, social security, and medicare just like everyone else.
Hope this helps...
May 18th, 2007 at 2:22 pm@president clinton
You're annoying and unfunny. Please just drop the shtick so people can actually have a conversation. If you have certain views dont hide behind the guise of humor to avoid actual back and forth discussion.
Two, with very specific language the White House opposed certain portions of the bill. Its not that they simply said they disagree with the bill entirely, its the specific disagreements that they expressed that have people angry.
Nice try though.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:28 pmTotal: $4,582.48 per month, or $54,989.76 per year, tax-free
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E1 to E5, good research all. Still, I get paid more for that and I'm neither a college graduate nor am I putting my life on the line. 3.5% pay increase still sounds like a good idea and vetoing the ENTIRE bill over 0.5% makes NO sense! There's GOT to be something more to this. Is he just disagreeing for disagreement's sake? NOBODY can say with a straight face that Pres. Bush is trying to be "fiscally responsible" after these past 6 years! There's NO WAY it's a fiscal issue!
May 18th, 2007 at 2:35 pm#61 - why dont you libs just put up, shut up and join up
Comment by Mr President — May 18, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
That goes both ways, Mr P.
Comment by Zooey — May 18, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
you know, that is what Monica told me in the Oval Office. Shit the second she said that, I stained her dress!!! wow! don't remind me!
as for serving in the military, c'mon Zooey, it doesn't go both ways.
Liberals defended me and praised me when the american people found out that I had not served in Vietnam. That in fact, because I was terrified of being shot, I left my country and walked in marches accross Europe to protest the United States.
Kerry in 1992 said on the Senate floor that a person's military record or lack there of should not come into account when running for the Presidency. Man he was good, he defended me so well.
Strange though, after the propaganda was leaked out that Bush supposedly went AWOL, all the Liberals that had defended me went nuts after Bush. Go figure.
I mean I didn't serve and I sent troops to die in the battlefield, why didn't anyone ask me to send my daughter to go to war? why didn't anyone say to me that since I had been a coward and not served in Vietnam, I had no right to sent troops into harms way.
I don't know, I think it is my looks and my great skills at lying, but maybe one of you can tell me if I am wrong.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:45 pmBush is disgusting. He makes me want to puke and throw rocks
May 18th, 2007 at 3:10 pmI think it is Bush's plan to veto ANY and ALL bills that make it through the Democratic houses, regardless of what they say, unless as before, they are a word for word regurgitation of his wishes.
May 18th, 2007 at 3:12 pmJoel - I think you are absolutely right. He's attempting to assert his "dominance" just like a two year old throwing a tantrum.
May 18th, 2007 at 3:42 pmBush is disgusting. He makes me want to puke and throw rocks
Comment by Joel — May 18, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
You know that is what Monica said when my c@k hit her throat. yacks!! right?
May 18th, 2007 at 4:26 pm#80
what are you 12? you are not funny - and your defense
of a greedy republican hard headed prez is weak to be
charitable.
a-hole.
May 18th, 2007 at 5:32 pmFormer President Clinton.
May 18th, 2007 at 6:57 pmThank you for your superior service to my great nation. Sadly, like the false god of the right, you have clearly lost your wits. Atleast your mental defect sidelined you from any further postive contributions after your terms ended. Ronnie was forced to bumble around while still in office. As to the current holder of that seat, well a lost mind first requires one. Anyway, thanks again for your service but can you please take your crude and delusional self elsewhere. Maybe the dog needs a walk.
By the numbers:
But, hey, they volunteered, right?
May 18th, 2007 at 7:30 pmF*ck impeachment! Guillotine the bastard! Immediately! Support the troops my ass.
May 18th, 2007 at 7:52 pmPlease are all of you people seriously this ignorant? 1. The white house has been pushing for the 3.5 percent since last year so they are vetoing the bill for other reasons. 2. My base pay is $2323.80 a month, thats the only taxable income. My housing allowance is $2035 a month, substance allowance is $279 a month, cost of living allowance is $610 this month. another words not deployed every month I make over $5200 and get taxed on less then half of it, because of that my tax return this past year was over $7000. So lets see $5200 x 12 =$62,400 + $7000 tax return=$69,400 NOT DEPLOYED!!! when I am deployed depending on where and how long you can add $500-$1000 a month (everything tax free and incentive pay's) so you could add $6000-$12,000 a year if I was Deployed briging me well above $75,000.
Now I am also working towards my bachelors for free but all my friends who did college first are NOT making or living anywhere near my standard. I think the military pays rather well, BUT WHAT DO I KNOW I'M ONLY A SOLDIER.
SGT T
May 24th, 2007 at 7:05 am25th Infantry Division
[...] cents for each 100 of assessed valuation.http://bulletin.gmnews.com/news/2008/0403/schools/005.htmlTroop Pay Raise That Bush May Veto Amounts To 6/Month To Average SoldierBush has threatened to veto a House defense bill over a provision that raises the pay for U.S. [...]
April 3rd, 2008 at 8:46 pm