Moore sends copy of film abroad to avoid confiscation.
Moore sends copy of film abroad to avoid confiscation.
Michael Moore writes on the recent Treasury Department investigation relating to his new movie on the health care industry, Sicko:
This preemptive action taken by the Bush administration on the eve of the ‘Sicko’ premiere in Cannes led our attorneys to fear for the safety of our film, noting that Secretary Paulson may try to claim that the content of the movie was obtained through a violation of the trade embargo that our country has against Cuba and the travel laws that prohibit average citizens of our free country from traveling to Cuba. (The law does not prohibit anyone from exercising their first amendment right of a free press and documentaries are protected works of journalism.)
I was floored when our lawyers told me this. “Are you saying they might actually confiscate our movie?” “Yes,” was the answer. “These days, anything is possible. Even if there is just a 20 percent chance the government would seize our movie before Cannes, does anyone want to take that risk?”
Certainly not. So there we were last week, spiriting a duplicate master negative out of the country just so no one from the government would take it from us. (Seriously, I can’t believe I just typed those words! Did I mention that I’m an American, and this is America and NO ONE should ever have to say they had to do such a thing?)
Read Moore’s full message HERE, and his new interview with Time magazine HERE.
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Taco Bell gives aid and comfort to the enemy, who is, in this case, namely, Michael Moore.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:31 pmHow, dear Pres is the runs and gas giving comfort?
Why we should send grade e beef (Taco meat) to our enemies!
May 18th, 2007 at 11:37 pmThe law does not prohibit anyone from exercising their first amendment right of a free press and documentaries are protected works of journalism.
This is fact. And any judge worth his salt would throw BScharges like Bushco is pushing out.
ABC News’ Bob Woodruff reported from Cuba on april 26. They going to charge him too?
May 18th, 2007 at 11:38 pmAre you saying MP that you don’t approve of free speech?
May 18th, 2007 at 11:39 pmWelcome to the wonderful world of fascism.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:39 pmBush hates Michael Moore personally, so this whole deal is a vendetta against him.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:41 pmAre you saying MP that you don’t approve of free speech?
Comment by Zep Tepi — May 18, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
no
May 18th, 2007 at 11:42 pmok, you may not believe you were typing those words, michael, but, one year ago this june 2, upon returning to the u.s. through customs in san francisco, i didn’t believe that my laptop computer, data dvd’s, flash drive, digital camera, and digital memory cards were being seized either, not to be returned for three weeks… reason given: “forensics…” ya, right… believe it, michael… this is amerika v.2007…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
May 18th, 2007 at 11:42 pmTaco Bell gives aid and comfort to the enemy, who is, in this case, namely, Michael Moore.
Comment by Mr. President
Gitmo the makers of Rold Gold pretzels. In these days, you can’t be too careful.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:44 pmI think Mr. President is saying he doesn’t like Taco Bell? He loves Michael Moore…talks about him all the time with fondness and glee.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:46 pmCan we replace the National Anthem with the Hogan’s Heroes’ theme song now?
-GSD
May 18th, 2007 at 11:46 pmMoore is a b!tch. He’s just trying to promote his movie. Of course the govt is gonna check shit out if you f*ck around and shoot a movie in Cuba, that doesn’t mean their going to confiscate the film. If the govt wanted that shit, they’d have that shit.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:47 pmno
Comment by Mr. President
Thank you for clarifying that.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:47 pmGitmo the makers of Rold Gold pretzels. In these days, you can’t be too careful.
Comment by barfly — May 18, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
I thought GITMO made soylent green?
May 18th, 2007 at 11:48 pmno
Comment by Mr. President
Thank you for clarifying that.
Comment by Zep Tepi — May 18, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
You know, as in: No, that is not what I am saying.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:50 pmPresident > Healthcare industry does not want Moore’s new documentary SICKO released to the public, so they would love for Bush officials to seize the film. Moore has prevented that from happening.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:51 pmI’m looking forward to the film and like Michael Moore, but I suspect this letter is overly dramatic for effect, i.e. publicity.
The lawsuit against him sounds groundless and like a form of political harassment, but the single best thing that could happen to Moore from a publicity standpoint would be to have his film confiscated (so long as he had secret copies elsewhere).
But publicly declaring that you’ve secreted away copies of the film overseas is going to reduce the already unlikely chance that the government would attempt to confiscate the film… so it really sounds to me like he’s also trying to eek some manufactured drama out of the baseless lawsuit. Fair play to him, though, as retribution. Just saying grain of salt, is all.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:52 pmIf the govt wanted that shit, they’d have that shit.
Comment by Mr. President — May 18, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
Riiiight.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:52 pmOk. Mr. President let see if I get this straight? You want Michael Moore’s burrito in the bathroom at Taco Bell while the little Chihuahua gives you comfort? That makes no sense?
May 18th, 2007 at 11:53 pmI thought GITMO made soylent green?
Comment by Mr. President
No, that’s what you make, every time a car backfires outside. It’s why you’re living in the basement, remember?
May 18th, 2007 at 11:56 pm…I suspect this letter is overly dramatic for effect, i.e. publicity.
Comment by Augustus — May 18, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
And that is why your the first among equals.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:58 pmYou know, as in: No, that is not what I am saying.
Comment by Mr. President
Do you or do you not approve of free speech?
May 19th, 2007 at 12:01 amComment by Augustus — Maybe read it before commenting?
May 19th, 2007 at 12:04 amAnd that is why your the first among equals.
If your “equals” are also revealed as plagiarists, that is.
Isn’t “Augustus” really the exposed plagiarist Ben Domenich?
May 19th, 2007 at 12:05 amI wasn’t sure if “Mr. President” was an asswipe or not. If it looks and smells like shit…
May 19th, 2007 at 12:05 amFrankly I find this MM hidden film thing but semantics and political theatrics. I will not be watching Moores film.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:08 amComment by Augustus
Who’d he steal that from? The Doughy Pantload? John “woman-beater” Fund? Fishface Sammon? Falafel Bill?
May 19th, 2007 at 12:08 am(Seriously, I can’t believe I just typed those words! Did I mention that I’m an arrogant American Pinko liberal film maker, and this is America and NO arrogant pinko liberal film maker should ever have to say they had to do such a thing whether we broke the law or not?)
Corrected mm’s speech for him.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:08 amIf the TRUTH exposes you as an idiot, silence the TRUTHTELLERS.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:09 amDo you or do you not approve of free speech?
Comment by Zep Tepi — May 19, 2007 @ 12:01 am
I approve… (as if you hadn’t noticed my exercising that freedom quite often).
May 19th, 2007 at 12:10 amComment by “Mr. President” ’s dad — May 19, 2007 @ 12:08 am
Dad!!!
You’re embarassing ME!!!!!
May 19th, 2007 at 12:11 amLet me guess, trolls: Michael Moore is subject to the rule of law, but Republicans are not subject to the rule of law.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:16 amValiant Venus has taken a turn for the worse under her new identity.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:18 amLet me guess, conservatives: Michael Moore is subject to the rule of law, but Republicans are not subject to the rule of law.
Comment by VerbalKint — May 19, 2007 @ 12:16 am
Apparently Moore believes he is above the law, hence the need to “spirit” his film away.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:19 amI approve… (as if you hadn’t noticed my exercising that freedom quite often).
Comment by Mr. President
As I stated before: Thank you for clarifying.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:21 amBush trolls do not like Moore I see. Michael is really a good guy, but Bushites hate him for his last film that trashed Dubya.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:26 amI shouldn’t be surprised, but this makes me ill. I keep hearing from respectable, news-breaking journalists, that impeachent is not an option since is would take longer than the time remaining in office for Bush.
I submit that the purpose of proceeding with impeachment is not to impeach Bush, but to hobble him for the remainder of his term. If that’s all we have, I’ll take it. The damage this regime can inflict in their remaining term is too great to allow to proceed unchecked.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:33 amSeriously, I can’t believe I just typed those words! Did I mention that I’m an American, and this is America and NO ONE should ever have to say they had to do such a thing?
This ISN’T America anymore. Not as we knew it at least. Once the next false flag… errr, terrorist attack happens next year before the elections, you can kiss what’s left of this country goodbye. We are one small step away from living in a dictatorship.
Mark my words on this one.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:36 amDomestic acts of Patriotism are so close you can smell the fear.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:40 amAnyone knowing what they know now, and can still support George Bush is a complete idiot.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:46 amI challenge anyone of you trolls to list me anything good this administration has done?
May 19th, 2007 at 12:47 am…noting that Secretary Paulson may try to claim that…
So no one in the government has claimed any such thing, this is just hyperbole.
What charges are they “pushing out”? None. This is all speculation to advertise his film.
And it’s working thanks to TP.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:47 amBush conservatives do not like Moore I see. Michael is really a good guy, but Bushites hate him for his last film that trashed Dubya.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 19, 2007 @ 12:26 am
It’s not just conservatives who dislike Moore.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:56 amhttp://onegoodmove.org/ 1gm/ 1gmarchive/ 2004/ 12/ ralph_nader_wil.html
I challenge anyone of you trolls to list me anything good this administration has done?
Comment by JTitor
Let me answer that;In the early days this admin.put on a damned good game of midget league T.ball. And I must say GWB. does still have a pretty good arm throwing out the first pitch-the best I’ve ever seen for a Pres..
May 19th, 2007 at 1:04 amOther than those two things;nothing but lies and corruption.
Seriously, I can’t believe I just said those LIES about WMD’s!
Did I mention that I’m a unamerican Nazi TRAITOR of a WAR CRIMINAL “president” and this is amerikkka??
NO Nazi TRAITOR of a WAR CRIMINAL “president” should ever have to say they had to do such a thing whether we broke the law or not?
Corrected George aWol Bush’s speech for him.
See YOU in hell uptheright (cause I’LL be THERE),
Mr. Bush
May 19th, 2007 at 1:07 amMURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COWARDLY AWOL TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM–BushCrimeCo, Inc.)
I challenge anyone of you trolls to list me anything good this administration has done?
Comment by JTitor
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The unemployment rate fell to the lowest level in more than five years in October, the government reported Friday, a sign of unexpected strength in the job market.
The jobless rate sank to 4.4 percent from 4.6 percent in September, the Labor Department said. It was the lowest since May 2001. Economists had forecast the rate would hold steady.
http://money.cnn.com/ 2006/ 11/ 03/ news/ economy/ jobs_october/ index.htm
Dow Jones index chalks up its 24th record close of the year
NEW YORK - Stocks closed Friday with a solid gain, as another round of corporate takeovers prodded investors to continue a largely uninterrupted months-long buying streak. The Dow Jones industrial average registered its 24th record close this year, while the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index came within striking distance of its record high.
No Child Left Behind.
And Sadaam Hussein is dead.
(You didn’t ask if the bad outweighs the good)
May 19th, 2007 at 1:27 amthread- settle down already, not everything posted here is newsworthy.
TP- why are you wasting our time with this obvious attempt by Moore to generate BUZZZZZZ?
Moore is obviously making all this known to play to the heightened level of scandal that is rampant in this administration. It should be obvious by the fact that he’s hiding behind his lawyers in defense of an action that doesn’t merit mention to the media at this point. If he is genuinely worried for his film, well he’s sent off the negatives so he’s covered. Does this need to be expressed to the media when none of their own presupposed fears have been realized? No, unless you want to play it up as a controversial docu-drama with damaging information for the administration. If the department does confiscate the film, well then he has every reason to get on every news show and mag cover and tell it like it is. Until that time comes though, this is just part of the Buzzzzzz.
(I’m not a MM hater, I just hate that he’s professes honest, un-biased journalism and resorts to such sensationalist means to make money. It cheapens honest documentaries.)
May 19th, 2007 at 1:29 amSee YOU in hell uptheright (cause I’LL be THERE),
Comment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — May 19, 2007 @ 1:07 am
I really, really hope you enjoy hell, Hell. But I won’t be there to share it with ya. I’ve already taken care of that. Perhaps there will be some way for you to communicate to me the conditions there. As for President Bush, I don’t think he will be there either, as he has also taken care of the matter.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:34 amAnd Sadaam Hussein is dead.
And Osama Bin Laden, Bush’s family friend, is STILL ALIVE.
And Bush is a TRAITOR coxucker PUNK and a WAR CRIMINAL.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:37 amAnd Sadaam Hussein is dead.
And Osama Bin Laden, Bush’s family friend, is STILL LIVE.
Comment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — May 19, 2007 @ 1:37 am
The question was what good has been done, not what good is yet to be done.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:40 amNEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The unemployment rate fell to the lowest level in more than five years in October, the government reported Friday, a sign of unexpected strength in the job market.
But still significantly less the during the Clinton years.
“The Dow Jones industrial average registered its 24th record close this year, while the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index came within striking distance of its record high.”
And the gap between the rich and poor grew at the greatest rate on record. These are mostly gains for the richest 15% of Americans - most people own very little stock.
“No Child Left Behind.”
Underfunded and ill-conceived.
“And Sadaam Hussein is dead.”
Propped up by republicans for decades, even while slaughtering his own people …
Not a very good record.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:40 amBush TOOK CARE OF THE MATTER of NOT GOING TO HELL??
Sorry, SAYING you are a “christian”,
and then MURDERING and LYING,
which are COMPLETELY AGAINST the teachings of Jesus,
will NOT keep you out of ETERNAL DAMNATION.
Calling yourself “saved” and then being a MURDERER and LIAR like Bush doesn’t wash.
See YOU in hell wingnutt (cause I’LL be THERE),
May 19th, 2007 at 1:41 amMr. Bush
MURDEROUS WAR CRIMINAL
COWARDLY AWOL TRAITOR TO THE USA (TM–BushCrimeCo, Inc.)
Michael Moore brings out the crazy-assed trolls even more than Nancy Pelosi.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:54 am“But still significantly less the during the Clinton years.”
Clinton didn’t have 9/11 to deal with, although he could have prevented it.
“The Dow Jones industrial average registered its 24th record close this year, while the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index came within striking distance of its record high.â€
“And the gap between the rich and poor grew at the greatest rate on record. These are mostly gains for the richest 15% of Americans - most people own very little stock.”
Have you noticed that when the stock market is down, everybody suffers?
“No Child Left Behind.â€
“Underfunded and ill-conceived.”
The states bear some responsibility for education, don’t ya think? And, while not perfect, at least it’s an effort which is more than we had before.
“And Sadaam Hussein is dead.â€
Propped up by republicans for decades, even while slaughtering his own people …
Comment by barfly — May 19, 2007 @ 1:40 am
Sometimes the lesser of two evils turns on ya, being evil and all. Then ya have to change tactics.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:54 am“And Sadaam Hussein is dead.â€
Wouldn’t 3,409 dead and 25,000 wounded Americans, and 1/2 million dead Iraqi’s be better off with Saddam still there?
May 19th, 2007 at 1:56 amIs that some new fangled no child left behind math you’re using?
Apparently Moore believes he is above the law, hence the need to “spirit†his film away.
Comment by upright left
It’s not illegal to send a copy of his film out of the country.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:57 amBush TOOK CARE OF THE MATTER of NOT GOING TO HELL??
Sorry, SAYING you are a “christianâ€,
and then MURDERING and LYING,
which are COMPLETELY AGAINST the teachings of Jesus,
will NOT keep you out of ETERNAL DAMNATION.
Calling yourself “saved†and then being a MURDERER and LIAR like Bush doesn’t wash.
See YOU in hell wingnutt (cause I’LL be THERE),
Comment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — May 19, 2007 @ 1:41 am
Bush hasn’t murdered anyone and your saying it doesn’t change that fact. He has undoubtedly lied, but a Christian doesn’t lose his salvation because he lies. Maybe you aren’t aware that Jesus forgives sin. That’s kind of the whole point for His having been born, doncha know know? Being a Christian doesn’t make ya perfect, just forgiven. I assume you are proud that you will be in hell since you keep repeating it. Well, I’m just as happy as I can be for ya and hope you have a real good time there.
May 19th, 2007 at 2:05 amComment by upright left — May 19, 2007 @ 2:05 am
F*ck the imperfect “christians.”
Upright left is tedious beyond all thought and words.
Goodnight.
May 19th, 2007 at 2:08 am“And Sadaam Hussein is dead.â€
Wouldn’t 3,409 dead and 25,000 wounded Americans, and 1/2 million dead Iraqi’s be better off with Saddam still there?
Is that some new fangled no child left behind math you’re using?
Comment by troll alert — May 19, 2007 @ 1:56 am
The question was what good has been done. Sadaam being dead is a good thing. Had you read the entire post, you would have seen that I noted that the good didn’t necessarily outweigh the bad.
“Apparently Moore believes he is above the law, hence the need to “spirit†his film away.
Comment by upright left”
“It’s not illegal to send a copy of his film out of the country.”
Comment by Ghost of Zooey — May 19, 2007 @ 1:57 am
No, of course it isn’t. I think we are all well aware of that, aren’t we? The question of illegality refers to his actions in making the film. The answer to that has yet to be determined.
May 19th, 2007 at 2:10 amF*ck the imperfect “christians.â€
Comment by Ghost of Zooey — May 19, 2007 @ 2:08 am
Actually, that describes what you will be when you die. F*cked. Sorry bout that, GZooey
May 19th, 2007 at 2:12 amBush LIED about WMD in order to invade Iraq, NOT related to 9/11.
Therefore, the BLOOD of 3400 US soldiers, 500,000 Iraqis (MANY CHILDREN) are on Bush’s hands, along with his co-WAR CRIMINALS.
And Jesus DOES forgive sin.
MAYBE Jesus will forgive the MURDERING and LYING done by Bush.
However. regarding the INNOCENT LITTLE CHILDREN slaughtered:
“If anyone harms one of these little children, it would be better for him that a millstone was hanged around his neck and drowned”.
So, SAYING you are “saved” is GREAT.
DOING things COMPLETELY CONTRARY to the teachings of Jesus. who said “by their works shall they be known”,
SPEAKS LOUDER THAN THE LIAR’S WORDS.
Saddam WAS evil.
Bush and Cheney are ALSO evil.
DOING MASS GENOCIDE vs. SAYING one is “saved”???
I’m betting Jesus will say “I NEVER KNEW YOU”.
May 19th, 2007 at 2:20 amDude-there’s sex in the afterlife? with zooey? i’m so there.
May 19th, 2007 at 2:21 amThese guys have had so much daily bad news come out for them that they will do most anything at this point. And they have no sense of what is right and wrong, if they think it right, then it is right, which of course is wrong.
You know this just totally sucks, freaking daily it sucks.
Join the “Ignore Valiantthepunkidiot Club” it will be good for you.
Rules:
1. do not respond to anything that idiots posts
2. do not read that idiots posts
3. do not look in that idiots direction
Comeon you can do eeetttt !!!
May 19th, 2007 at 2:31 am#46 ~ That’s an awfully short list, and it’s full of failures itself.
The unemployment being the lowest in five years… is still post-911.
Killing Saddam Hussein has not improved the world. Perhaps you didn’t expect that, but it’s true. Furthermore, THE ENTIRE F*CKING WORLD WARNED YOU WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
No child left behind is a failed program. It has not improved education, trains students only to take standardized tests, and is a crude political tool for dumping the Fed’s share of education costs on the states.
The DJIA ~ corporate profits spurring local growth in the trickle-down theory ~ is actually down, when you figure in how much of the wealth and ownership has gone offshore.
This Administration hasn’t done anything right.
May 19th, 2007 at 2:31 amWhat century is America living in? Seriously. I cannot tell the difference between its current politics and those of Stalinist Russia, Hitler’s Germany, and the Salem witch hunts.
May 19th, 2007 at 2:45 am“If anyone harms one of these little children, it would be better for him that a millstone was hanged around his neck and drownedâ€.
Are these the verses to which you are referring?
Passage Luke 17:2:
2 It would be better to be thrown into the sea with a millstone hung around your neck than to cause one of these little ones to fall into sin.
“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea. (NASB ©1995) Mark 9:42
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him that a huge millstone should be hung around his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depths of the sea. Matt 18:6
“I’m betting Jesus will say “I NEVER KNEW YOUâ€.
Comment by Mr. Bush Goes To Hell — May 19, 2007 @ 2:20 am
We will have to agree to disagree on that one.
“and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.” (NASB ©1995)John 10:28
May 19th, 2007 at 2:53 amGreat quotes.
Again, the BLOOD of 3400 US soldiers and 500,000 Iraqis is on the
hands of Bush and Cheney and the BushCo WAR CRIMINALS.
Osama was worth going after.
HE is still free 5 1/2 years later.
Bush LIED about WMD’s in order to invade Iraq, which was pre-ordained by the PNAC criminals, like Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld.
So again,
DOING MASS GENOCIDE vs. SAYING one is “saved” doesn’t wash.
Jesus MIGHT forgive Bush.
But again, MURDERING one’s fellow man does NOT follow Jesus.
Period.
Again, Saddam WAS evil. So are Bush, Cheney, etc.
May 19th, 2007 at 3:05 amBush had almost a year to stop 9-11. He got a briefing called “Bin LAden determined to attack inside america” but terrorism wasnt a priority for him.
Missle defense was.
Upright cleft, care to tell us what action Bush took against Al-Queda in the months leading up to 9-11?
Why would they even want to stop it? 9-11 is the best thing that ever happened to them. What would bush be talking about all these years if it wasnt “terror terror terror”???
Stocks are up but out national deficit is rampant. China is owning more and more of america each day. And can you please explain how losing 2 buildings and less people than die on americas highways in one month fiscally destroys a country? If anything, whats damaged our economy was our grotesque over-reaction.
re: Saddam’s death
>Sometimes the lesser of two evils turns on ya, being evil and all.
> Then ya have to change tactics.
Care to discuss what the “greater evil” that motivated us to ally ourselves with him was, and why the concerns that led us to see him as the better choice are no longer valid?
Am I wrong in saying that we allied ourselves with him because we were concerned about the spread of islamic fundamentalism througout the middleast? What exactly is it that we are concerned about these days? Its not the spread of islamic fundamentalism throughout the middleast, is it? Its something else, right?
Oh, and exactly how did he turn on us? Invade someone we didnt tell him to? Hahahahahaha. Dude, Kuwait was stealing Iraqs oil via slant drilling. To be completely honest, from a purely objective standpoint, Saddam was much more justified in invading Kuwait than he was Iran, the country we helped him wage war on. But some slick PR campaign bought and paid for by the theives that ran the Kuwait government brought us grotesquely false propoganda about Kuwaiti babies being taken from incubators, and suddenly we became convinced that what happened between two mideast neighbors was a uniquely horrible humananitarian crisis that had to be stopped. The truth is, what made the brown people of kuwait any different than the brown people in dozens of other countries who were subjected to much greater and more numerous atrocities was not thier misfortune, but instead the fate of what lay under their feet.
Saddam was always a secular dicatator who distrusted religious radicals. Ironically, for all your venom toward him, he did all the brutal nasty things to islamic fundamentalists and “traitors” that you want to do to islamic fundamentalists and “traitors” as well.
Having taken over a country, we know this man wanted to live, wanted to have land and possesions under his control. He may have been brutal, but he was no cackling maniac intent on going out in a blaze of glory just to kill some americans. Anyone with any understanding of human psychology would know that someone who had spent thier whole life in pursuit of power and profit wouldnt sign his own death warrant by giving WMD (which, other than smallpox, which theres no evidence he ever had, is a highly ineffective weapon) to some religious nutballs who may very well turn around and point the finger at him if they are ever cought. Saddam and Bin Laden are fundamentally different beasts. Period. They mix like oil and water. Just because two people both hate you doesnt mean they like each other. Its a logical fallacy that slips by stupid people, people like you.
You prefer the shia death squads that are running lose in Iraq now? Your perfectly happy with Iraq transforming in an Islamic Theocracy allied with Iran, as long as the process happens democratically, right?
Explain to me again, specifically, like name political parties.. WHO ARE THE GOOD GUYS?
Can you name some specific politicans or parties in iraq with any real power who are going to transform iraq into the democratic paradise you see in your fevered meth dreams?
R.I.P Saddam, thats all I have to say, before the decade is out, pretty much everyone in Iraq is going to be pining for the “good ol’ days” of saddam where society functioned semi-normally and if you didnt involve yourself in politics chances are your life was safe. Now, anyone, anywhere is a target.
People are being beaten or killed for wearing shorts, drinking alchohol, or shaving thier beards. Barbers and women who dont wear burquas are being targeted for retribution by the same people Saddam used to oppress.
Oh, and if saddam was so terrible, why didn’t we punish him for more than 150 deaths? Do you really beleive America wasnt the one calling the shots behind the scenes at the trial? Why didnt they put all of Saddams terrible crimes on display for the world to see?
Its because we turned a blind eye to most of them, and in some cases were actively involved in helping him. And the logic
Do you think Saddam should have been charged with invading Iran?
May 19th, 2007 at 3:11 amYes or no? If no, then please explain what makes the invasion of Iran different from Kuwait, which is esentially the act that suddenly made him a “bad guy”.
Didnt TACO BELL get caught using NOT FIT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION corn ???
Bush isnt looking so flash these days either. At least it shows that he comprehends what has happened in Iraq and with hes administration at home.
May 19th, 2007 at 5:48 amThe unemployment rate fell to the lowest level in more than five years in October, the government reported Friday,
May 19th, 2007 at 6:47 amQ. What do they call a person who was making $20 an hr. with good benefits, but is now working for $12 hr. with no benefits and with gas to get to work above $3????
A. Employed.
try living in America with Lyme Disease. The powers that be asked a group of doctors to ration our care. We get 60 days of meds then that is it. None of us get well. America is insisting on killing us. Blue Cross Blue Shield owns this part of America. They got the INfectious Disease Society to stop care so they can get medical boards to investigate docs and after that BCBS can sue em. Lyme patients get nothing. Elizabeth Edwards gets all her cancer care. I get NOTHING>
May 19th, 2007 at 7:07 amThe law? THE LAW???
You’re citing illegalities as if that applies in Bush’s Amerika??? Why don’t you ask Jose Padilla or Khaled al-Masri about what’s illegal and about first amendment rights? Habeas Corpus?? Newsflash, we got laws, but no enforcement!
But thanks for the laugh this morning…as if the Constitution still held sway at Bushco!
May 19th, 2007 at 7:42 amupright left
The Dow Jones is about the worst economic indicator there is. It is a measure of the 40 biggest companies in your economy, and thus the 40 companies which suffer least when you have a bad government.
Take a look at what the top 40 companies really are, and you will see that they are multinationals, not American.
Also, over the last few years the world’s stock market has been going through a bull run, which has seen America’s stock market grow, but on average underperform compared to markets like the JSE.
Further, the latest reports and projections show that the EU is fast gaining on America as a market and as a productive force. While it is not yet ready to serve as an outright replacement of America should anything go wrong, it is getting there.
Next, American indebtedness, both on a national and private scale are at record highs, while inflation is relatively low. People forget what makes inflation, namely supply versus demand. The degree of indebtedness now current in America’s economy should have indicated a rise in inflation, but there has not been such a rise.
Further, America’s unemployment statistics have been meaningless since Ronald Reagan changed the formula by which they are measured. Prior to Ronald Reagan it included everyone who wanted to work, and could work, but couldn’t find a job, currently it only includes people who gain unemployment benefits, which run out in about 6 months (Thus if you are unemployed for longer then six months you are no longer counted as unemployed.)
Bush in his first year lost 2 million American jobs and it took longer then 6 months for the unemployment rate to come back down again.
Also, the quality of jobs has dropped in America over this last six years, with minimum wage being kept static under the Bush administration. Your working poor population has grown.
America’s national debt, the money owed by your government to other countries, has doubled under Bush. America’s reliance on China, has grown to record levels. America’s ability to afford things which is managed to afford under Clinton while paying off its debts (Such as student loans,) shrank.
Next, onto your Clinton story. Clinton started from scratch after the WTC bombing. He built up an anti-terror network and information gathering aparatus that stopped several major attacks on America including the day of terror plot and the millenium bombings. All of those directly involved in the first WTC bombing were caught.
Bush on the other hand, had everything Clinton had built, and ignored it right up until September eleventh. Would another president have prevented 9/11? Hell yes. Bush ignored the data, and saying that the planning went back before Bush’s reign is stupid, as America became aware of that planning during Bush’s reign - and that is the real dictator of when something becomes preventable.
Further you rightwing morons have been waving the corpses of America’s worst security failure in its history, as if it is some sort of victory. It was a loss, it demonstrated, as Katrina did years later, that you Republicans don’t know what the heck you are doing. Bill Clinton achieved more then you did, without damaging America’s image, without damaging America’s fiscal surplus, without taking America into a unneeded war, without weakening the US constitution.
Bush will be remembered, will be written large in the history books, as the worst US president ever to have reigned. His results suck, he has taken a country which had banned poverty, and given it New Orleans. Would a different government have been better there? Yes. Bush has weakening FEMA in unprecedented ways since 2001. He hired a political lackey in a position which since its inception had been run by a career disaster manager, and he sent the national guard, complete with their equipment into Iraq, a war which was totally unneeded.
You try to smear us with straw men and crap. We aren’t made of straw, and the fact that you try to knock down our morality is only based on the fact that despite our moral foibles, despite the fact that we are not perfect and do not even pretend to be, despite all of this we are morally superior to you you little arsewipe.
We would gladly sacrifice our lives for our rights and the rights of others. You would gladly sacrifice others on the off chance your life might be impacted vaguely negatively by their existence.
We respect the truth, we listen to scientists and what they have to say. We read up on your arguments, and find startling number of the “He did it too”’s went to jail, got fired, were otherwise disciplined or simply weren’t cases of him doing it too. We do not accept “He did it too” as an excuse seen as we are somewhat more mature then three year olds, who mostly as a population group, figured out that that one didn’t work when they were two.
We strive to be better then we really are, you strive to drag everyone and everything down into the same torture-supporting miserly moral hole that you lie yourself into so happily dwelling in.
May 19th, 2007 at 8:28 am“Sometimes the lesser of two evils turns on ya, being evil and all. Then ya have to change tactics.”
Comment by upright left
First, Reagan transfers weapons to the Iraqis, then arms Saddam, and sits back as they kill each other. Decades later, republicans use those same war dead to justify invading and overthrowing their “Man” in Iraq. Why not admit (at least to yourself) those dead Iraqis/Iranians were really your party’s fault? Your “realpolitic” had major blowback, with real-world consequences. Nice, how you justify selling weapons to terrorists when it suits your political ends. It’s very hard to take you guys seriously when discussing American security issues, since every thing you’ve tried has only resulted in a worse international situation for America. Reagan sells terrorists weapons, then Bush 1 tells Saddam not to worry about US intervention if he invades Kuwait, and uses only half-measures in expelling the tyrant, leaving Clinton holding the national-security bag. Enter Commander Pretzel, and His Bumbling Fumblers, and 9/11 is the result. Fast-forward six years, and the latest republican car-wreck has killed US credibility, 3500+ American soldiers, and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.
After such a catastophic performance, what do you do for an encore?
Armageddon?
May 19th, 2007 at 9:10 amI cannot believe that anyone is naive enough to fall for such a transparent publicity stunt. Moore’s film is in no more danger of being confiscated than is my cat.
May 19th, 2007 at 9:25 amCatron
Frankly, what kind of naive idiot believed the press about America engaging in torture?
Then we found out about Gitmo.
I think this was a publicity stunt, I think Moore’s defence on his trip to Cuba may well win on constitutional grounds, but I wouldn’t put confiscating the master past them.
There has been way too much dirty shit which we wouldn’t have believed America would ever do before, which we now know to be going on, for me to put anything past the Bushies.
May 19th, 2007 at 9:35 amJust About everyone in America knows that our Health Care System is broken. Michael Moore has the talent to present this knowlege in a watchable film. And he has the talent to exploit the Governments’ own obsolete Cuban Policy to promote his film.
May 19th, 2007 at 10:00 amAmeriKKKa the Beautiful…
May 19th, 2007 at 10:35 amAnd he has the talent to exploit the Governments’ own obsolete Cuban Policy to promote his film.
Promotion is his only real talent. As a maker of documentaries, he’s a joke. If Sicko is as dumb as his other films, it won’t contain a lot of useful information. He has already told a variety of lies about Cuban health care.
May 19th, 2007 at 10:46 am“The unemployment rate fell to the lowest level in more than five years in October, the government reported Friday, a sign of unexpected strength in the job market.
The jobless rate sank to 4.4 percent from 4.6 percent in September, the Labor Department said. It was the lowest since May 2001. Economists had forecast the rate would hold steady.”
This is all within the Bush Crime Family tenure. How about you go back to Clinton’s tenure.
And as far as the new jobs are concerned, they are mostly low-paying service sector jobs. If the Bush Administration was honest, they would county all of the unemployed. The unemployment rate is based on people who are still getting unemployment benefits. If you have run out your benefits then you are not counted. I fail to see how someone who has run out of unemployment benefits and still has not found a job is somehow magically no longer “unemployed”.
And thanks for the stats on the Stock Market. All that shows is that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. How many middle income and low income people do you know who own any stocks?
So, nice try, but it doesn’t work.
May 19th, 2007 at 12:01 pmOh, and if saddam was so terrible, why didn’t we punish him for more than 150 deaths?
Comment by Knappy Headed Ho — May 19, 2007 @ 3:11 am
How many times can he be executed? Why waste time and money? The families of those he killed got their satisfaction whether he was convicted of the crime or not. He hanged for it. You have the nerve to say “IF Sadaam was so bad?”
May 19th, 2007 at 12:11 pmYou have the nerve to say “IF Sadaam was so bad?â€
Comment by zxz — May 19, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
Sadaam was indeed BAD. One has to wonder then why Rumsfeld was photographed shaking his hand. The real reason why Sadaam was convicted and executed for only a small fraction of his many crimes, was to prevent the light of day from shining on America’s record of support for the Butcher of Baghdad.
May 19th, 2007 at 4:07 pmMoore, you in a different America from 7 years ago. Bush is attempting to control free speech and strip us all, except his elite cronies, of our liberties we have taken for granted for so many years. It is time to return to a constitutional democracy where the Bill of Rights and Constitution are the law of the land.
May 19th, 2007 at 6:10 pmThe real reason why Sadaam was convicted and executed for only a small fraction of his many crimes, was to prevent the light of day from shining on America’s record of support for the Butcher of Baghdad.
Comment by Badger — May 19, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
I believe the fact that the U.S. had previously supported Iraq is common knowledge.
May 20th, 2007 at 12:17 amThat FAT P.O.S. should be hung at dawn for his Treasonous act of going to CUBA. hen have his head put on a pike to show what we do to Communist Traitor SCUM Like that rolling ball of fat. Are we realy sure his name isn’t “ROSENBERG”?
May 20th, 2007 at 12:50 amSeriously, I can’t believe I just typed those words! Did I mention that I’m an American, and this is America and NO ONE should ever have to say they had to do such a thing?
Funny. I was just wondering why you did.
This “OMG I can’t believe I did that” moment does come after the explanation of why you wouldn’t have to (apart from being able to say you did) and absent of any explanation of why you think “there’s a 20% chance” this would happen.
Well if this passes a credibility smell test and will be republished I would recommend every protester on every issue from now on wear a bullet proof vest, just so they can declare:
“OMG I can’t believe I had to wear a bulletproof vest at my protest so the cops wouldn’t shoot me dead, but I had to even if there was only 40% chance it would happen”.
Then get this reprinted as though it wasn’t a promotional stunt.
May 20th, 2007 at 1:28 amYes. For instance, 7 years ago you wouldn’t have been able to read about Bush crushing free speach on one of the 7 billion blogs critical of him on pretty much every issue imaginable.
Remind us again of the campaign against free speach Bush has waged. Was it the Don Imus thing ?
May 20th, 2007 at 2:19 amThis is starting to sound like China, and I would know, I’m an American who’s been working in China for the last six months.
May 20th, 2007 at 6:37 amOh, yeah, George “Mission Accomplished” Bush, the guy who uses our precious military as props at photo-ops — the guy who stuffed a sock down his flight suit when he landed on an aircraft carrier to make it look like he was packin’ heat — the man with the bullhorn atop the pile of rubble who ignored admonitions about terrorism — the man with the plastic turkey on Thanksgiving in Iraq — oh no, he would never do a promotional stunt.
Yes, indeed, Bush is the shining beacon of freedom of speech and dissent. His own staff can’t even give him any bad news. He fires US Attorneys investigating Republicans, he fires military officers he’s supposed to be listening to when they tell him something he doesn’t want to hear, he spies on Quakers (Quakers for the love of Christ!) for speaking out against his manical policy of death and destruction, journalists are “embedded” and hence no videos of human suffering in Iraq ever surface in the US media, and taxpayers are forcibly ejected from taxpayer-funded events merely for arriving in a car with a “no blood for oil” bumper sticker on it. Yeah, this guy’s what’cha call a “freeeee speeeech adddd- vucccc - uttttt heh heh heh.”
Go back to sleep.
May 20th, 2007 at 10:01 amWayne you silly little monkey, Bob Woodruff is a Real Reporter . Michael Moore is a Faux Reporter that you guys think is real He needs to go to San Fran and do a movie on recycling used condoms
May 21st, 2007 at 9:42 amanthem blue cross blue shield
Interestingly, this was on CNN last week.
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