Rumsfeld To Create Research Foundation To Teach About ‘U.S. Engagement In World Affairs’
Rumsfeld To Create Research Foundation To Teach About ‘U.S. Engagement In World Affairs’
The world’s next generation of Donald Rumsfelds will soon have a place to study and grow.
Former Defense Secretary Rumsfeld “is working on setting up a new foundation” to “remain engaged in public policy issues” and offer “teaching and research fellowships for graduate and post-graduate students.” The Washington Times reports:
Rumsfeld has moved to new offices on M Street Northwest where he is working on setting up a new foundation, according to Larry Di Rita, a former Pentagon spokesman and Rumsfeld aide. [..]
The goal is to promote continued U.S. engagement in world affairs in furtherance of U.S. security interests, Mr. Di Rita said.
Mr. Rumsfeld has not decided on writing his memoirs, but if he does, all proceeds would go to support the foundation, he said.
Some potential lessons Rumsfeld could offer his pupils:
– Winning A War In Under Six Months: “It is unknowable how long that conflict [the war in Iraq] will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”
– How To Be Greeted As Liberators:“‘Do you expect the invasion, if it comes, to be welcomed by the majority of the civilian population of Iraq?’ Jim Lehrer asked the defense secretary on PBS’ The News Hour. ‘There is no question but that they would be welcomed,‘ Rumsfeld replied, referring to American forces.”
– How To Create The Perfect War Plan: “Of course the implication that there was something wrong with the war plan is amusing.”
– Armies You Have Vs. Armies You Might Want: “As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They’re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time.”
– Locating Weapons Of Mass Destruction: “It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.”
No word yet on whether Rumsfeld’s foundation will be folded into the think tank on French political thought that President Bush plans to create. Bush told ABC News last year, “I’d like to leave behind a legacy — or a think tank, a place for people to talk about freedom and liberty and the DeTocqueville model of what DeTocqueville saw in America.”
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Chimpy probably likes DeToqueville because it sounds like “toke”.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:19 amThe Institute for Cranky Old Idiots Who Can’t Run Wars Good.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:19 amWho the hell is he going to teach, Forrest Gump? Jeez.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:20 amRumsfeld is a war criminal. He as much as anyone is responsible for this litany of death and misery. But here he is back in the limelight. What the hell has happened to this nation?
May 18th, 2007 at 11:20 amHoly horseshit, batman, how arrogant can he be?
May 18th, 2007 at 11:20 am“How I Screwed Up the Middle East” 101
“How I Lied About 9/11″ 101
Sign-Up Now!
May 18th, 2007 at 11:24 amAnother lesson:
How to treat detainees in an occupied country.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:25 amIn other words, a shady conduit to accept Saudi money under the guise of a US Nonprofit to keep the neocon machine running when they’re bounced off the government teat in ‘08.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:25 amMore wisdom of Donald Rumsfeld:
“There’s no penalty for having lied.”
Donald Rumsfeld, March 28, 2006.
“Turning our backs on postwar Iraq today would be the modern equivalent of handing postwar Germany back to the Nazis.”
Donald Rumsfeld, March 19, 2006.
“I didn’t advocate invasion.”
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, November 20, 2005.
“If Saddam Hussein were still in power in Iraq, he would be rolling in petrol dollars. Think of the price of oil today.”
May 18th, 2007 at 11:25 amDonald Rumsfeld, September 11, 2006.
Rummy’s is only the first of many “foundations” that will be spawned from the dregs of GDumbya’s administration after 2008:
- The G. W. Bu$h Foundation for Learning How to be a Decider
- The Darth Cheney Foundation for Ethics in Business and Government (and How to Run a Shadow Government from an “Undisclosed Location”)
- The Condoleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezza Rice Foundation for How to Rise to Your Level of Incompetence and Avoid Discovery
- The Alberto Gonzales Foundation for Effective Management, Failing to Recall Anything and Learning How to Throw Your Underlings Under the Bus
- The Paul Wolf-Whiz Foundation for Mixing Work and Sex (How to Get all the Blow-Jobs You Want Through Nepotism)
- The LaLa Bush Foundation for Creating the Perfect Stepford Wife Through a Careful Mixture of Martinis and Prozac
I am sure that the list can and will go on and on…
May 18th, 2007 at 11:28 amYou see, that’s the problem with those of us who continue to live in a ‘reality based’ world… we keep looking at real world results and wonder what the hell happened.
If you don’t need reality to verify that what you do is right, then the sky is the limit.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:30 amIn other words Rumsfeld wants to plan another war–this time with cheap student labor!
May 18th, 2007 at 11:32 amJust what our country need’s, more teaching of strausian or orwelian (sp) nazi crap to the next generation’s..Next it will be a special office assigned for Foley by Hastert on how to hump pages..Classes to start the fall of 2007..These miserable basterd’s don’t leave even when they are on their wary to jail, just more new’s clips and interview’s, oh I forgot, they also get huge fund raising parties by mr. evil in charge, cheney…Damn, this bunch makes me sick…..Blessings we realy need them….Impeachiness now…Thank’s BnF for that one.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:32 amSo Rummy’s planning another war, this time using cheap student labor!
May 18th, 2007 at 11:34 amoh sorry for the double post…. thought it didn’t “take” the first time
May 18th, 2007 at 11:34 amLOL! The Mark Foley School For Pages.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:36 amI can’t wait until Mark Foley writes his memoirs.
I bet it will be a real page turner.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:38 amThe Donald Rumsfeld “My Foundation to Receive Kickbacks from All My Cronies I Funneled War Money To”
May 18th, 2007 at 11:40 am“How to locate WMDs” 101
May 18th, 2007 at 11:40 amI really admire this man, and I do hope he writes his memoirs. It’s sure to be a favorite of mine
Comment by Zooey — May 18, 2007 @ 11:30 am
Aren’t you just the bravest troll in Trollie Land?
FYI: The halfwit namejacker is back, TP commenters.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:41 amROFLOL!!!
May 18th, 2007 at 11:42 amHow about we help Bill Clinton set up “The Institute on How to Lead if You Actually Have a Brain” or “How to Lead as President While Actually Trying to do Good Things for the United States”
May 18th, 2007 at 11:43 amI think TP should fund a research foundation and call it the Neville Chamberlain Foundation.
Some potential lessons TP could offer it’s pupils:
How to stall public opinion on eliminating threats so the enemy has sufficient time to attack.
How to undermine US Policy by suggesting isolationist policies are best and that we are always better off leaving other countires alone.
How to disguise the fact that these policies ended up costing millions of lives in WWII by waiting until an attack happens
How to deny there is a global war on terror and there is no jihadist movement.
How to blame US presence as the cause for us being attacked.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:44 amFYI: The halfwit namejacker is back, TP commenters.
Comment by Zooey
Looks like the post got yanked. I always knew you were a big Rummie fan, Zooey. Urf urf.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:45 amFYI: The halfwit namejacker is back, TP commenters.
Darn, I thought it was sarcasm.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:47 amreality has a well known liberal bias….
May 18th, 2007 at 11:48 amEric can open a foundation called ” how to shove one’s head so far up one’s ass one can see out one’s mouth.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:48 amEric´s Research Foundation:
“How to be a clueless, wetpants idiot and mass murder supporter”
May 18th, 2007 at 11:48 amEric’s a bit miffed his horse(sass) is going to the glue factory.
Undermine US policy? What is there to undermine? Strawmen Eric, all strawmen.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:49 amAnd Rummy will use Iraq as a great example of success….!
May 18th, 2007 at 11:49 amEric´s other foundation “American brightest minds and articulate expression: Reagan and Bush”
May 18th, 2007 at 11:50 amYou forgot Rumpsfelds’ favorite course. How to drive a wedge between “New Europe and Old Europe”!
The scum also rises.
-GSD
May 18th, 2007 at 11:52 amMaybe we could start a foundation to give Eric a few history classes. It’s hard to believe anyone could be 180 degrees off about WWII, but he’s done it.
Homeschooling?
May 18th, 2007 at 11:54 amEric’s goal in life is to hold the flaccid, wrinkled, schlong of every angry impotent white geezer in Washington in his mouth
May 18th, 2007 at 11:55 amgummitch
Maybe we could start a foundation to give Eric a few history classes. It’s hard to believe anyone could be 180 degrees off about WWII, but he’s done it.
Care to expand?
May 18th, 2007 at 11:58 am“How I Screwed Up the Middle East†101
“How I Lied About 9/11″ 101
Sign-Up Now!
Comment by Kay
You forgot :
May 18th, 2007 at 11:59 am“Modern Fascism 101: How we undermined Democracy in only 6 years”
Eric,
You should read 1984. In this fictional account of a government gone wild, the authorities are always telling the populace that they are at war with a great enemy. It whips them into a jingoistic fury as they tought to view their country as infallible and other countries/cultures as war-mongering crazies that deserve to die. You sound like you just came from one of the two-minute hate sessions.
If you look at things objectively, there is only one country in the last few years that has illegally occupied another country in a warring act that left tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of dead, innocent civilians.
No matter what crap you want to say, there was never any threat to the US from Saddam Hussein. And certainly not one that warranted us toppling his nation and occupying it for the last four years.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:59 ami can’t wait for the t-shirts that say:
May 18th, 2007 at 12:00 pm“rumsfeld u.: where you can know the known unknowns”
As amusing as this topic ostensibly is, it will attract money and recruits and continue the tradition of private influence on public policy. If American ADD continues expect to see this exckusive little club to make its presence felt around 2012.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:01 pmNEW!!! This fall 07 - Failing Upward - 101
Hating the Repukian Mafia daily
May 18th, 2007 at 12:03 pmGreat. I suppose 150 “graduates” of Rumsfeld’s ThinkTank will inhabit the Pentagon in the near future. Rumsfeld really just wants a place to shelter all that money people in the military-industrial complex are dying to give him.
I think you are right about Bush and the French. Remember, he claims to have read Albert Camus’ “The Stranger”. (L ‘Etranger)
May 18th, 2007 at 12:03 pmSo they will be teaching what NOT to do, right?
May 18th, 2007 at 12:07 pmI read that Camoose…and some Shakespeares!!
May 18th, 2007 at 12:10 pmHere “research foundation” means “propaganda enterprise”
May 18th, 2007 at 12:15 pmRumsfeld To Create Research Foundation To Teach About ‘U.S. Engagement In World Affairs’??
…
…
Bwa-Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
(gasp)
Must… Breath….
What a thought! Teach about:
How to do things Wrong?”
Learn from his Mistakes?
Unbelievable!
May 18th, 2007 at 12:16 pmCare to expand?
Comment by squegeebooo
I’m spending enough sending my own kid to school, thanks. There were five points apparently pointed at the Left and all five were either flat out wrong or strawmen. Even Richie Sexson is hitting better than that.
Of course, if the post was intended ironically and Eric was suggesting that it was corporate rightists in the US who preached an isolationist policy, and the “socialist” president who pushed for an early entrance into the war, and the “premature antifascist” Left who was actually fighting fascists in Spain well before the war, I apologize.
Likewise, if irony was intended in suggesting that the Left doesn’t believe in the existence of Jihadists, I apologize.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:19 pmCall me crazy, but I always thought it was better to study the methods and ideas of people who had, you know, proven successful in their endeavors.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:28 pmThe subject: “Here’s how NOT to do it”
May 18th, 2007 at 12:32 pmThe Donald Rumsfeld School of Goal Post Relocation
May 18th, 2007 at 12:33 pmOK. That’s weird. This is the second time that I’ve posted something about WWII and had it disappear. This time I actually saw the post, briefly.
No dirty words, no insults . . . maybe that’s the problem?
May 18th, 2007 at 12:34 pmIt’s back!
May 18th, 2007 at 12:36 pmI think Donnie just wants to get what’s his “due”. He helped funnel billions to his war profiteering cronies. Setting up this neocon “think tank” (isn’t that an oxymoron?) gives his cronies a way to funnel Donnie his “commissions”.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:36 pmgummitch
It appears to be gone again but I’ll keep an eye out for it
I have the same issue with certain key words, more often than not political ideologies seem to trigger it…some screwy setting in the filter I guess.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:41 pmAnd indeed the most important lesson, as illustrated in Runmmy’s picture above:
- How to fist the citizens of the United States, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., right up the AHEM!!!
May 18th, 2007 at 12:56 pmWell, he was right about some of that.
He doubted that the war would last six months. Nailed it - it was way longer.
And his comment about going to war with the army you have rather than the army you want is not that bad of a statement. Honestly, an army of drones incapable of civilian casualties would be much more favorable to me than risking soldier’s lives. But if the need for war arises and we don’t have this technology yet, we still send the army we’ve got. IIRC, this statement was a response to a question about body armor. Diamonds are the hardest material we’ve got, but I don’t see big demands to create a diamond mail for all of our troops. It’s a cost issue. How much taxpayer money are we willing to spend to protect our troops? Well, we should have spent more, and I think even Rumsfeld knew that. But if a genuine need arises for war (and imo, iraq was not one), you go with what you have, not with what you wish you have.
But the rest of his comments above are wayyy wrong.
May 18th, 2007 at 12:57 pmthat’s some funny shit, i can imagine what the classes would look like given scummy rummy’s illustrious foreign policy track record; literally a bunch of retards and halfwits. i am sure dummya will be the val-dick-toriun of the first class
May 18th, 2007 at 1:02 pmArgh! My heart!
May 18th, 2007 at 1:04 pmUh a graduate student is the same as a post-graduate student. Derp.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:12 pmVote for RON PAUL and we will be free.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pmRumsfeld: “Oh…did I say “engagement?” I meant bloody colonialism driven by insatiable greed that paints targets on each and every American.”
May 18th, 2007 at 1:17 pmHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahah
A training ground for little-
Neo-CON _SCUM_
May 18th, 2007 at 1:19 pmthe picture shows Rummy demonstrating how he thought we’d defeat Iraq with an iron fist…
May 18th, 2007 at 1:20 pmWhat Rummy and his spread-eagled cronies know about conscientious foreign policy couldn’t fill a paper bag.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:21 pmSo far, as usual, no substantive rebuttals, just ad hominen attacks which count to my favor. The only one coming close to having substance was Vinnie - thank you.
Vinnie, I read Orwell and understand your faulty logic. So you’re saying that anytime a government shows concern about an enemy, they are just trying to deceive us and whip us into a frenzy in order to keep us down. Do you really believe that? In Orwell’s world, the workers couldn’t check facts and determine if there is was a real enemy. I think most people outside of this little TP world can see for themselves the evidence of real threats.
But you keep on believing, like Juan “Iran is not a threat” C, that everything is really just orchestrated by Bush/Rumsfield to hold on to power. They were secretly aware of 9/11 before it happened but didn’t act. The Ft. Dix terrorists had evidence planted on them so Bush could show there was still a threat.
So with your faulty logic, were Presidents Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy and Johnson just making this stuff up about Germany and Vietnam? Maybe the Holocaust wasn’t real? This is the paranoid schizo mentality of the posters on this site and where your logic leads you. Conspiracty theorists. Neville Chamberlain would be proud of what you do in his name.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:26 pmEric
Dude, whats wrong with having peace in our time?
May 18th, 2007 at 1:30 pmI am prepared to make a donation.
Does anyone have a specimen cup handy?
May 18th, 2007 at 1:39 pmHey maybe they could make Bush “The Professor Guy”! Him and Rummy and Cheney and Rove and Rice can all teach classes. It could be called the University of Dumb and Dumber!! Who pratell are they going to be teaching?? Other little right wing neocons on how to take over the world and leave massive death and destruction in your path? Rummy was a Dummy during Nixon’s years and so was Cheney, yet here are these recycled old coots attempting to produce a new world order. It’s a world order of idiots, the inept and crooks alike!
May 18th, 2007 at 1:43 pmWhat a bafoon.
Eric
So you’re saying that anytime a government shows concern about an enemy, they are just trying to deceive us and whip us into a frenzy in order to keep us down.
No, just this time. You know, the Iraq situation in the present time?
I think most people outside of this little TP world can see for themselves the evidence of real threats.
Apparently, BushCo can’t as he went after Iraq instead of Bin Laden.
So with your faulty logic, were Presidents Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy and Johnson just making this stuff up about Germany and Vietnam?
No, can we get back to discussing Iraq now?
Maybe the Holocaust wasn’t real?
Sure it was, can we get back to discussing Iraq now?
Neville Chamberlain would be proud of what you do in his name.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:46 pmIn his name, when? And whose name is Bush occupying Iraq under?
(Fictional Story) 1939 Germany: America discovers the game plan of Adolf Hitler’s to overrun Europe. Hitler has already attacked Czechoslovakia but the US has the opportunity to thwart his efforts and eliminate his regime with force. Unfortunately, efforts by Neville Chamberlain and US public isolationist influence prevents the US from acting decisively. The isolationists argue that:
Germany never attacked us so we have no right to topple a foreign government.
Germany has no weapons of mass destruction and that cannot be used as an excuse to invade an independent nation.
Even though they’ve invaded Czechoslovakia, there is no evidence this is more than just a provincial skirmish that can be worked out with out outside influence.
US Policy has never been to have a pre-emptive strike without an act of war.
Wow, this is sounding vaguely familiar……..but I just can’t place my finger on it……..where have I heard this before?
May 18th, 2007 at 1:47 pmEric sez:
Well, Eric, when you don’t present a substantive argument, you shouldn’t be surprised when people don’t bother to provide substantive rebuttals.
That’s not what Vinnie said at all, Eric. He was, however, saying that this is the case in this particular instance. Stick to the topic at hand, rather than wasting time fabricating straw men.
Care to present this “evidence”, Eric? Remember, Vinnie’s claim was that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq did not pose a threat to the U.S.. Again, try to stick to the topic at hand, rather than referring to nebulous, undefined “threats”.
So much for sticking to the topic at hand. I see now that’s going to be remarkably difficult for you.
Make that impossible. You’re all over the map.
And there it is. Somehow you’ve managed to meander to the point where you’ve equated Vinnie with Holocaust Deniers. A long, tortuous path, but you somehow made the journey from Vinnie’s original assertion that the pre-invasion Iraq was no threat to America to Holocaust Denial. Well done.
…and we’re the ones who you accuse of substituting ad homenim attacks for substantive argument. Hypocrisy, they name is Eric.
May 18th, 2007 at 1:53 pmIt never fails to amuse me when the Chimpy apologists compare opponents of the war to Neville Chamberlain, given the remarkable parallels between the Chimpy administration and the Third Reich.
As Jon Stewart says, there is nothing this administration can do that is not ironic. I guess that rule extends to the administration’s apologist trolls, as well.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:00 pmMonkey on a trip: That was not an ad hominen argument. I’ve seen the comments on here and I think some (not all) would definitely qualify for the textbook definition of Schizophrenic. They truly see a Rumsfeld behind every rock.
But back to your stellar response. I really think you are genuine when you ask for evidences of Saddam’s threat. That is the scary part. You really don’t think invading a peaceful country like Kuwait represents a threat to the US, the Middle East, and the rest of the oil consuming world? The UN condemned the action and 35 nations were represented in the defensive attack against his regime. Please don’t have me show you the obvious and don’t have me have to buy you a history book.
Way to quote Jon Stewart, brilliant statesman of our time. Both of you need to look up the definition of irony. What examples do you site? Uh huh.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:13 pmEric
Dude, whats wrong with having peace in our time?
Comment by squegeebooo
Squeegy,
You make me so proud. *sniff*
I hope Eric answers your question.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:19 pmEric sez:
Are you joking? You’re really holding that out as evidence that Saddam was a clear and present danger to the U.S.?
According to that demented logic, we should invade Germany post haste since they also invaded some other countries a while back.
That was stupid even by troll standards, Eric. You’ll need to do much better than that.
(And no, that wasn’t an ad homenim…I really do believe you are stupid.)
May 18th, 2007 at 2:24 pmEric,
You want to look at parallels with Nazi Germany? How about the Reichstag Fire as a pretext for suspending civil liberties (cough, 9/11.) How about outright lies used to portray an act of aggression against Poland (cough, Iraq) as an act of defense? Want to talk about using propaganda to perpetuate the big lie? Joseph Goebbels did it and, according to himself, so does George Bush:
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things
over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the
propaganda.”
-George W. Bush
05/24/2005
Athena Performing Arts Center
At Greece Athena Middle and High School
Greece, New York
Like a good German, you are still working to promote your Fuhrer even at great cost to your country. Fortunately, you are part of a discredited movement that is isolated and becoming increasingly marginalized by the day.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:30 pmU.S. Engagement In World Affairs
May 18th, 2007 at 2:36 pmfor Dummies
Squeegy,
You make me so proud. *sniff*
Comment by Zooey — May 18, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
Channeling Emily Litella: Nevermind.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:41 pmHow to deny there is a global war on terror and there is no jihadist movement.
How to blame US presence as the cause for us being attacked.
Comment by Eric
Well, “Eric”, some of us are aware that terrorism started long before 9/11 and that at NO point did the US really seem too concerned about any of it. And, yes, it was “global” even then. Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Japan–ALL were affected by terrorist actions, but none of them seemed to find it necessary to attack countries which had NO direct connection to the terrorists they were fighting.
May 18th, 2007 at 2:49 pmYou might also be interested to learn that terrorism was actually the method by which nations like Israel and Kenya managed to obtain their independence when local factions (the Stern group in British Palestine and the Mau Mau in British Kenya) committed outrageous terrorist activities–i.e., slaughtering innocents–to wear out the “unwanted” colonial masters.
As for the US presence, you might want to rethink that just a bit. There’s a very good terrorist action that was DIRECTLY linked to our presence–Beirut, Lebanon, 1983. Now, beyond that, the US has tended to back the “wrong horse” in the Middle East–and not just referring to Israel. We’ve done NOTHING to help the AVERAGE Arab citizen in ANY Arab country. We’ve backed a host of authoritarian regimes (Saudi Arabia, Egypt) and outright dictatorials regimes (Iraq) as long as those regimes served OUR interests. It was only after Saddam decided to do things that HE felt would serve HIS interests (without giving a rat’s hindquarters about the US interests) that led the US to turn against him. (We’re very unlikely to do anything that might anger the Saudis since they hold a sizable bit of the US debt. Also, if the Saudis get upset with any of our actions, they have to do very little to get Washington back in line except cut oil production–and “urge” the rest of OPEC to do the same.)
You might also want to note that when Americans did die through terrorist actions (before 9/11–even civilians), this country’s reaction was relatively muted but any retaliation was generally directed at immediate hosts or sponsors (Libya, for instance, was bombed during the Reagan admin, but, at the time, Libya was the near-exclusive money provider to terrorist groups worldwide; of course, the result of that bombing didn’t really do much to sway Libya from sponsoring terrorists). AND, when Clinton launched attacks on bin Laden camps in Afghanistan, you right-wingers (who were incensed that he had had the audacity to defeat George H W Bush in 1992 so investigation after investigation was launched to find something, anything to get rid of him only to take advantage of a mere blow job) chose to accuse him of seeking to divert attention away from the Starr Chamber. (Of course, following 9/11, that wasn’t as important to you right-wingers as the accusation that the Clinton Admin “turned down” the Sudanese offer to turn over bin Laden–which the US had no LEGAL reason to accept. Bin Laden had NOT been accused of any specific crime at that point so he couldn’t be extradited from Sudan; our laws–something many right-wingers claim to support–REQUIRE a criminal indictment of a suspect residing in a foreign country. The US hoped that Saudi Arabia or Jordan–two of our allies–might offer to accept bin Laden, where he could be detained by those countries’ laws until an indictment could be produced.)
Eric,
First, I love the pompous attitude that you’re the great right-wing debater and we all must focus our efforts towards rebuking your sharp-witted posts. And, if we can’t do so to YOUR standards, we’re all just idiots.
You come here to a site where people obviously won’t like you. If people avoid you like the plague, that’s to be expected. Why you would come here where you will obviously be despised is probably indicative of some sort of social problem.
As noted, I didn’t mention WWII or the Nazis at all so I will not respond at all to that.
Trip is right that your mentioning Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait as a threat to the US is absolutely laughable. In fact, at the time that wasn’t actually a threat to the US but it was only a threat to our oil interests in the Middle East. But yes, the act of taking over another country on false pretenses should’ve been dealt with accordingly and it was. The UN agreed to lead a force against Saddam’s presence in Iraq and it did.
The war itself significantly damaged Iraq’s military capabilities. The ensuing economic sanctions, no-fly zones and inspections made it impossible for Saddam to build up his military to any significant degree, let alone develop WMD. The fact that the overtaking of Iraq went so easily is proof that Saddam did not have much that he could’ve thrown at us. And, the question you trolls never answer, wouldn’t he have thrown all he had at us when he was about to be overthrown?
My reference to Orwell was very apropos. You could fill a book with quotes from Rice, Cheney, etc. about mushroom clouds and WMD. Invoking those ideas was clearly intended to promote fear and justify the military invasion. It’s amazing that after it’s been CLEARLY shown that these threats were non-existent, you STILL try to make the argument that they were real. Even George “I never said Iraq was behind 9/11″ Bush admits that Iraq was not involved in any attack on the US. At best, you’d have to say that we overtook a sovereign nation because they MIGHT have had the ability to attack us. The fact remains - Iraq didn’t attack us. We attacked them.
When asked for a real reason that the war in Iraq was a just war, you trolls are completely powerless to answer. Hmmm. Maybe those of us who were out in the streets protesting this foolhearty effort were right after all. And maybe, just maybe, you were wrong to support it. No, just like GWB, you will never admit you were wrong about anything.
May 18th, 2007 at 3:21 pmYer shittin me.
May 18th, 2007 at 3:22 pmRummy, creating a research foundation?
Teach gullible neocons how to completely fu(k up planning and executing an occupation?
Wouldn’t he be more qualified to expound on America’s engorgement of world affairs?
Or maybe he should take an 80 pound sandbag and expound it rectally.
…and another troll bites the dust.
Too easy, Eric. You’ll need to prepare a little more before your next attempt to spread your pernicious lies here.
May 18th, 2007 at 3:46 pmIgnorance is bliss, as is often said, simply attack a man and his record because you have your formed narrow opinion of world threats, continue to stick one’s head in sandy trench, don’t dent your rose colored glasses. Lest we forget Despot Hussein’s track record, that of barbaric human experiments, the horrible murder, with weapons of mass destruction, of Kurds, some still clinging to their victim mother’s breast, his wanton murder of anyone in Kuwait City, circa 90-91, and Oh, let’s not forget the domestically distinct and geared torture centers, murder pits, the sport of watching wild animals; tigers and lions, menace, kill, and consume humans who are not on the Gold-Star list, and those of you indict Donald Rumsfeld for what you assert is not right, not just, and not fair and improperly executed……. Baloney! Who are you going to call when a murderous maniac comes to your neighborhood to spread poision gas to kill you… Your self centered idiotic indictment of Rumsfeld is based in ignorance and likely……. admiration for what he has done and you, paltry in your presence on this earth, cannot achieve…………. Oh, you, who must be defended by the strong…….. The indictment is without merit, next try to convince the world that Adolph Hitler was really, really not a bad man after all……… Enjoy your freedom, Donald Rumsfeld has ensured that for you…….
May 18th, 2007 at 3:53 pmHo hum… I think Eric needs to do a lot of deep researching (oversea’s) to find out the REAL reasons Iraq invaded Kuwait. You’ll never find this out anywhere within the states - guaranteed!
May 18th, 2007 at 4:03 pmGallant one,
We were asking for an explanation of how Iraq was a threat to the US. We understand he gassed people. As I recall, that was done not long after the picture was taken of Rumsfeld shaking hands with him. And please don’t use Rumsfeld’s own description of the WMD being in all of the various locations (north, east, south and west). In case you haven’t heard, those accounts have been entirely discredited.
If there was ever a post that was filled with more fear-mongering quotes, I have yet to see it. I also heard something else in the news - Hitler is dead!!
May 18th, 2007 at 4:05 pmWonderful, another stink tank !
http://surftofind.com/falwell
May 18th, 2007 at 4:15 pmRummie Foundation???? This can’t be for real???
Eric,
I think you need to do a little more indepth reasearch (from outside of the
states) about the REAL reasons Iraq invaded Kuwait.
Jeff Gallant,
Well Jeff, opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. But the closing line in your 3:53 pm post:
May 18th, 2007 at 4:18 pm“Enjoy your freedom, Donald Rumsfeld has ensured that for you…”
Surely you cannot be serious? He has no idea what the word means?
All who hate Eric’s post…
You were too easy on him. For example, when he brings in Truman (for which he must be being given credit for Korea, since he was no way involved in most of WWII), Kennedy and Johnson, you could have said, yeah, they blew it (Korea because we said publicliy we would not defend it, thus encouraging the North to invade; Vietnam because Nixon and Eisenhower screwed up in Indochina when we could have had a popular (albeit Communist) anti-Chinese vietnamese government in 1954; and Kennedy/Johnson because they persisted in a policy they knew was doomed. Kennedy, at least, had determined we would not get bogged down in another Korea.
We almost had an end of the war–with Vietnamese victory–in 1968, but Johnson’s silly vendetta against Humphrey allowed Nixon to win and implement his “Peace Plan With Honor(R)”. That noted genius Henry Kissinger then ensured that we would spend another half decade and thousands more lives before we were ignominiously forced to pull out. Yes, the Vietnamese won, but it was their country and the northern leaders always had more support from the southern population than any of our puppets.
I liked the recap of our failed policies in the Mideast, BUT you didn’t mention Reagan’s policy of appeasing terrorists and (except for the one, inefectual strike against Libya) failing to retaliate. Like against the Hamas forces that blew up the Marine barracks. (And has anyone noted that Hamas=Shiites? The same Shiities who run Iran and who were supposed to rise up in joy when we invaded? But of course, we recieved those assurances from an Irania agent who we then proceeded to place in control of Iraq’s oil…)
Nor did you point out that, like Korea, the Kuwait invasion was done in the face of assurances from the US government (Ambassador April Glaspie to Saddam Hussein, our big buddy of the day:
“We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threats against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship - not confrontation - regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait’s borders?”
“We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America.” (This is from a transcript released by the BUSH library.)
Had we said, instead, “we’ll blow your GD country up if you try it, things might have gone differently.
Anyway, ya’ll messed up by making Eric think he had said anything whatsoever that couldn’t be refuted by an average 5th grader.
May 18th, 2007 at 4:38 pmRemember, no one is completely worthless.Rumsfeld can always serve as a bad example, and if he chooses to do so, his foundation can serve as an agent for good. Hey,it can happen!
May 18th, 2007 at 4:38 pmHow sadly uninformed you all are, particularly those that do or did not believe that Saddam Hussein was not a threat or that WMD have not been found……………
May 18th, 2007 at 4:50 pm#73 Comment by War4Sale — May 18, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Thanks for the quote! I was looking for this one and could not find it. It is truly worth repeating, so here it is again.
Quote from Bush:
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things
over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.â€
-George W. Bush
May 18th, 2007 at 5:22 pm05/24/2005
Athena Performing Arts Center
At Greece Athena Middle and High School
Greece, New York
First, I love the pompous attitude that you’re the great right-wing debater and we all must focus our efforts towards rebuking your sharp-witted posts. And, if we can’t do so to YOUR standards, we’re all just idiots.
You come here to a site where people obviously won’t like you. If people avoid you like the plague, that’s to be expected. Why you would come here where you will obviously be despised is probably indicative of some sort of social problem.
As noted, I didn’t mention WWII or the Nazis at all so I will not respond at all to that.
Trip is right that your mentioning Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait as a threat to the US is absolutely laughable. In fact, at the time that wasn’t actually a threat to the US but it was only a threat to our oil interests in the Middle East. But yes, the act of taking over another country on false pretenses should’ve been dealt with accordingly and it was. The UN agreed to lead a force against Saddam’s presence in Iraq and it did.
The war itself significantly damaged Iraq’s military capabilities. The ensuing economic sanctions, no-fly zones and inspections amade it impossible for Saddam to build up his military to any significant degree, let alone develop WMD. The fact that the overtaking of Iraq went so easily is proof that Saddam did not have much that he could’ve thrown at us. And, the question you trolls never answer, wouldn’t he have thrown all he had at us when he was about to be overthrown?
My reference to Orwell was very apropos. You could fill a book with quotes from Rice, Cheney, etc. about mushroom clouds and WMD. Invoking those ideas was clearly intended to promote fear and justify the military invasion. It’s amazing that after it’s been CLEARLY shown that these threats were non-existent, you STILL try to make the argument that they were real. Even George “I never said Iraq was behind 9/11″ Bush admits that Iraq was not involved in any attack on the US. At best, you’d have to say that we overtook a sovereign nation because they MIGHT have had the ability to attack us. The fact remains - Iraq didn’t attack us. We attacked them.
When asked for a real reason that the war in Iraq was a just war, you trolls are completely powerless to answer. Hmmm. Maybe those of us who were out in the streets protesting this foolhearty effort were right after all. And maybe, just maybe, you were wrong to support it. No, just like GWB, you will never admit you were wrong about anything.
The funny thing is that most ARE admitting mistakes occured (like in all wars) and do admit it. What is very strange is that libs in the anti-war effort are stymied everytime they are asked for a solution. Great leadership skills…………and why you’ll lose the House and Senate and Executive Branch again next election. This in spite of the unpopularity of the prolonged engagement in Iraq
May 18th, 2007 at 5:26 pmDuhric comes here, lays out energy, and gets none in return. You lose Nazi BOY, just as you all will in 2008. Get the F’ing brooms out Bwhahahhahaahhaahaaa
and how about ; The Rumsfeld Foundation for Lost Orientiers ( North South East West somewhat of Baghdad)
May 18th, 2007 at 5:49 pmThe fact that the WMD threats turned out false doesn’t change a thing. That was not the sole justification for invading.
Comment by Eric — May 18, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Here’s the only thing I took from your lengthy reply. You still can’t explain what was the huge ‘threat’, the real ‘justification’, that we used to send about 150,000 soldiers into a sovereign nation, overthrow the existing leadership, and continue to occupy the country for four years and who knows how many more.
Tell us, what was the real justification for all of this? I still have not heard anything to convince me that I was wrong in protesting this war from the beginning.
May 18th, 2007 at 5:55 pmLMAO!! Rumsfield? Doing WHAT??? He would be the last person that should be discussing that topic. I suppose if you wanted to know what NOT to do, you might learn a lot.
May 18th, 2007 at 6:06 pmSuch Happy Horseshit. These are such de-liteful Nazis, with incredible Chutzpah. Satan is going to do a service for mankind. Truly incredible..
May 18th, 2007 at 6:12 pmSure, he was the most incompetent Defense secretary in the history of the world. But he gave great sound bite.
May 18th, 2007 at 6:15 pm#88 Comment by Eric — May 18, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
“Take no action until you’re sucker punched and it’s too late.”
Boo! Did that scare you? I’m sure it did.
You are one really scared little boy, aren’t you?
Do you have any morters in your house along with the machine guns pointing out of your windows. How about AK 47s? How many of those do you have? And lots of amunition! That’s a must, you know. ‘Cause they are coming to get you so you better be prepared! You know! ’cause daddy Bush told you so, right?
And now an inside snippet from the life of “eric the frightened.” As the scene unfolds, eric runs home crying that he is afraid of the big bully down at the schoolyard. As we listen in we hear…
May 18th, 2007 at 6:19 pm“Good thing you have uncle Rummy and me (daddy Bush) to protect you, eric. Run along now, little eric. You just leave everything to uncle Rummy and me. Those big bullies won’t hurt you as long as we’re around.”
#94
Oooops Sorry about all that bold type. Should hava only been one line bold. This one:
You are one really scared little boy, aren’t you?
May 18th, 2007 at 6:35 pmWow!!!! I knew I was right, but I didn’t think it would be announced this quickly……
Just in: N.Korea ready to sign denuclearization treaty and US to officially end Korean War.
My comments on #90 seem pretty clairvoyant. Didn’t expect it to happen on the same day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Major Scoreboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is the link:
http://www.worldtribune.com/ worldtribune/ WTARC/ 2007/ ss_nkorea_05_18.asp
I’ll have a nice weekend knowing I nailed it. Let’s see how the libs spin this into negative news somehow. When US Policy is given time to work, it’s amazing what can happen. Another positive result of great US Policy for regime change in Iraq. Keep up the great work Condoleeza! Iran regime change is next.
May 18th, 2007 at 7:08 pm#96 Comment by Eric — May 18, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
“I’ll have a nice weekend knowing I nailed it.”
You do that little eric.
Now that you are leaving, be sure to say “Hi” to VV, Patrick1 and all the other little trolls when you get to the troll locker room at the West Hollywood gym for men. And don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Toooodles
May 18th, 2007 at 7:29 pmNo Eric, that’s not a smug post at all.
In case you missed it. Here’s what I posted before. You must’ve missed my question. I’m sure you have an answer.
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The fact that the WMD threats turned out false doesn’t change a thing. That was not the sole justification for invading.
Comment by Eric — May 18, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
Here’s the only thing I took from your lengthy reply. You still can’t explain what was the huge ‘threat’, the real ‘justification’, that we used to send about 150,000 soldiers into a sovereign nation, overthrow the existing leadership, and continue to occupy the country for four years and who knows how many more.
Tell us, what was the real justification for all of this? I still have not heard anything to convince me that I was wrong in protesting this war from the beginning.
May 18th, 2007 at 8:07 pmJust read post #96 Vinnie. Not only does it convince you, it shows you’re wasting your time. Don’t be incorrigible…..own up to your mistakes.
May 18th, 2007 at 8:26 pmMaybe he can start by researching his own ignominious stupidity.
May 18th, 2007 at 8:31 pmYou STILL haven’t answered the question!!
Just for grins, I read your article. I didn’t get the impression that N. Korea was officially giving up their nukes. If this is such big news, why isn’t CNN and FOX picking it up?
Your assertion is that N. Korea all of a sudden fell in line because of our tough action in Iraq. Of course, the cause and effect of your argument is hardly convincing.
I could make just as strong an argument that our behavior in Iraq has caused Iran to move MORE towards developing nuclear weapons. In fact, if some rich, powerful country just attacked and took over my neighbor under false pretenses, I would be really worried. I might develop whatever technology I could to make them think twice about attacking me.
Even if this is not true, it’s as convincing as your argument.
The bottom line is that you cannot provide ample justification for:
- 3,400 or so dead American soldiers
May 18th, 2007 at 8:50 pmI meant to add more.
The bottom line is that you cannot provide ample justification for:
- 3,400 or so dead American soldiers
- A half trillion dollars of American tax money spent
- Tens, or more likely hundreds, of thousands of Iraqis dead as a result of ’shock and awe’
- Worldwide opinion of America at an all time low
Eric, the rest of the world is not living in fear of us, they’re laughing at us!! I’m sure Osama Bin Liden is sitting in his cave laughing at the trouble that little Georgie has got himself into.
I do owe up to my mistakes when I make them. I’m sorry. I’m absolutely convinced that the right thing to do back in March of 2003 was to protest this war as best I could. And that I did!! YOU thought that it was a great idea. YOU can’t admit that your idea has turned into an outright FAILURE. You are in complete denial!!
May 18th, 2007 at 8:56 pm#96 Comment by Eric — May 18, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
Here is part of the link you give in #96: Spin from a right wing trumpet.
The U.S. Embassy in Seoul denied the remarks, saying the ambassador had been misquoted.
“The U.S. government is not seeking any other milestones beyond those stipulated in the six-party talks including the September 2005 Joint Statement of principles and the Feb. 13 agreement,” the U.S. Embassy said in a statement.
“The U.S. position remains that the negotiation of a permanent peace regime and negotiations on normalization of relations between the United States and the DPRK should go hand in hand with negotiations on denuclearization.” the Embassy said. An original English transcript of the meeting was not available.
Despite the Embassy’s denial, Rep. Kim, who released the transcript, insisted the Vershbow clearly suggested through a translator that a peace treaty could be reached by the September regional forum if North Korea moves to disarm.
Everything depends on the No. Koreans disarming. You’re whistling in the dark on this. There is nothing here but wind little eric. Along with your little troll mind creating a fantasy world. You will grasp at any straw in order to stop the depression you feel as the world of uncle Rummy and daddy Bush crumbles.
May 18th, 2007 at 9:13 pm#
How sadly uninformed you all are, particularly those that do or did not believe that Saddam Hussein was not a threat or that WMD have not been found……………
Comment by Jeff Gallant — May 18, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Does anybody know what the hell this means??
Wow, I think Jeff here is ready for the Rumsfeld school of advanced political communications. Is it a known known, Jeff, or an unknown known??
May 18th, 2007 at 10:47 pmBefore I retire I’ll say I’ve enjoyed reading all your posts tonight.
It and it strikes me that the two right-wing apologists — Eric and Jeff– truly believe Hussien constituted some kind of threat. Of course I always imagine that posters like this are actually Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney themselves, because it’s still so hard to imagine that average Americans continue to swallow and regurgitate the propaganda . . . Of course they do.
However, Eric is right to point out the fundamental reason we invaded Iraq: necessity of US control of oil resources in the Middle East. You all might think this is improper motivation for the invasion, but the truth is, we NEED to control the politics of oil in that region, and Hussein was getting buggy on us. It was definitely time to take him out.
The neo-cons were afraid to say this to the nation, who might have wanted to refocus the hundreds of billions spent on war toward, oh, development of renewable energy resources. But many of the neo-cons behind the war stood to profit from weapons development and reconstruction projects, so it was basically a no-brainer. Of course they would invade.
Clumsily they hid behind false allegations of WMD’s and painfully transparent assertions of “freeing an oppressed people.” LIKE THEY GIVE A SHIT. They don’t. That’s why they won’t invade China on behalf of the Tibetans, for example. Even if they could win a war with China, they wouldn’t do that. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON”T GIVE A SHIT.
This unelected “administration” (super-elite criminal thugs poorely masquerading as respectable leaders) is wholly vicious and absolutely anti-American. They have not a single visionary or enlightened thought that anyone has ever heard. They are not leaders by any stretch of the imagination. They are narrow-minded, greed-driven, draft-dodging arm-chair war profiteers and their lead puppet-boy is disgraceful beyond comprehension. Nevertheless, they HAVE succeeded and continue to succeed in their hegemonic, unconstitutional, catastrophic plans.
And that, my friends, says far more about us than it does about them.
May 18th, 2007 at 11:03 pmYes Mr. Rumsfeld has soooooo much credibility that he should train another generation of deep thinkers.
May 19th, 2007 at 1:20 amHow did he get the dough to finance such a learned institution? He gets his monthly cut of the illegal war swag, doesn’t he? Now, the ratshit right has another so called think tank with which to brainwash another generation of nincompoops. We are in a war, not against terrorism from abroad, but against fascist fanatics here at home.
May 19th, 2007 at 6:32 amDEAL OR NO DEAL
May 20th, 2007 at 2:43 amHeh, heh.
HEH,
I mean, really, What can a person say?
Heh, Rumsfeld as instructor? HEH, HEH, HEH
heh, heh, heh. By example, maybe. HEH, HEH, HEH
On the other hand, they’ve been pretty successful in finding suckers who will buy anything. I suppose it isn’t whether this old fool can actually teach you something, it’s whether the opportunity to suck up to him will open any doors.
May 20th, 2007 at 12:11 pm