New Documents Confirm Gonzales Lied To Senator About Plan To Install Rove Protege As U.S. Attorney
New Documents Confirm Gonzales Lied To Senator About Plan To Install Rove Protege As U.S. Attorney
On Dec. 15, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR) had their second phone conversation regarding the appointment of Karl Rove-protege Tim Griffin as the new U.S. attorney in Arkansas. In April 19 testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee, Gonzales said that when Pryor objected to Griffin’s appointment, Gonzales promised to find a different candidate:
But I had told Senator Pryor: I wanted Mr. Griffin in for a period of time. Let’s see how he does.
And then in subsequent conversation with Mr. Pryor, I asked him: Can you support Mr. Griffin as the nominee?
And you know, he made it clear to me that he would not support him, by not giving me a yes answer, and so I said: Well, then I cannot recommend him to the White House, because if you don’t support him, I know he will not be confirmed. We’ll look for someone else, and give me names that we ought to consider.
Yet a newly released Feb. 8 e-mail by Assistant Attorney General William Moschella shows that Gonzales made the decision to appoint Griffin “on or about December 15, 2006, after the second of the Attorney General’s telephone conversations with Sen. Pryor”:
Therefore, despite assuring Pryor that he would “look for someone else,” Gonzales went ahead and appointed Griffin anyway. Additionally, four days after the meeting between Gonzales and Pryor, Sampson sent out an e-mail recommending that they “gum this [Griffin’s nomination] to death.” Sampson told the Senate Judiciary Committee that Gonzales did not object to this plan at the time.
Griffin continues to serve indefinitely as an “interim” U.S. attorney, even though the traditional 120-day term limit for interim prosecutors expired on April 20.
UPDATE: Emtywheel at The Next Hurrah points out that Gonzales signed Griffin’s appointment “on December 18 … but it was dated December 15,” the same day as his second conversation with Pryor.
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That doesn’t mean Gonzales was not also looking for someone else.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 amImpeachment is the only acceptable remedy for this situation.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:06 amDoesn’t matter. I wont fire him!!
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:06 amDon’t forget: these guys project their own reality.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:06 amGonzales lies about many things. But Bush and his cultist supporters, the ultimate moral relativists, believe that lying is okay as long as it is done by Bush loyalists. God help any Democrat for telling the truth about the failed Bush regime, however.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:08 amJake,
Doesn’t it eat away at your soul to repeatedly defend a lying, criminal organization?
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:09 am#5 is for you, Jake.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:09 amJake sez:
Yes, Shakey…that’s exactly what it means.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:11 amDoes this mean that Gonzo lied about someting? Say it isn’t so. This is the administration that said it would return honor and dignity to the white house. Lying isn’t a very honorable thing or is it dignified. I’ll bet Bill Clinton actually did this and not Gonzo. THAT explains it.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:12 amVerbalKint sez:
You’re assuming he has a soul, VK…given Jake’s history here, I’d say that assumption is unfounded.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 amAbu, this is torture. Please resign immediately or you will be tried, convicted, incarcerated, embarrassed and spit on.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:14 amDo something Dems! After what I’m hearing about the next war spending bill I’m losing confidence in you real fast!
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 am“I have full confidence in Goonzales. He has all the right qualities that I look for in a NeoCon drooling Sycophant Yes-Man”
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 amyeah, who gives a rat’s ass, just wait, gonzo should be getting the medal of freedom soon…. time to impeach this goddamn admin.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 amBush wants to be impeached; this time I agree, give him what he wants.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:19 am#14. I dont think we should impeach any of these cretins. Right now they are the best vote getting mechanism we have going into 2008. Only 609 days left until Bush is out of office anyway. I say keep the thieving bastards in there and let them get to where even the 28 percent who still likes Bush start to question their own sanity.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:20 amAbu, this is torture. Please resign immediately or you will be tried, convicted, incarcerated, embarrassed and spit on.
Comment by Zimzone — May 22, 2007 @ 10:14 am
Actually I think he may already have embarrased down…ok maybe just embarassing.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 amGonzales is a certified pathological liar, and has perjured himself, so Congress must impeach him > PERIOD.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 amCaption:
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 am“Of course I’ll dance with you, MC Rove, you’re my favorite partner.”
Yeah, I’m sure Democrats are going to impeach Gonzales, right after they send the Iraqi war spending bill with no timeline. LOL!!!
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:23 amAbu, this is torture. Please resign immediately or you will be tried, convicted, incarcerated, embarrassed and spit on.
Comment by Zimzone — May 22, 2007 @ 10:14 am
Zimzone, please don’t embarrass the left by letting the cat out of the bag.
We must keep on pretending that we are not a party full of racist politicians and racist followers.
Your “Abu” usage let’s the cat out of the bag.
I must have you put away like I put away Vinnie.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:25 amGonzales is a certified pathological liar, and has perjured himself, so Congress must impeach him > PERIOD.
Comment by Jay Randal — May 22, 2007 @ 10:22 am
Gonzalez, it looks like he is a man after my own heart, both of us, pathological liars, I also perjured myself and Congress was more than ready ot impeach me!
wow, it sounds like we Democrats want revenge!
yes, revenge, we can’t win on our ideology, so revenge is the new game in town.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:26 amUntil the Anger of the American People can be heard above : Paris Hilton, The Runaway Bride, Don Imus, Michael Jackson and the Mainstream Media report on the Crimes of The Bush Family — Life will continue staus quo.
The Public Is Assuauged by Bread and Circus : Anna Nicole Smith, Dancing With the Stars, American Idol. Collectively, we remain Idle.
I love this country, but fear my government. I feel if another Provocative Act does occur within the next 18 months, this country could go either way : The way of Martial Law or The American Revolution II.
What is it going to be?
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:28 amStay tuned.
Jake,
You are the ultimate yes-man. Despite seeing obvious evidence that shows AG is lying, you put your head in the sand and says it means nothing. Or are you saying that AG is completely incompetent that he has been searching for someone to replace him for many months but can’t? You simply can’t have it both ways.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:28 amWhoa. What about the bigger issue here?
Why are the Democrats not doing everything in their power to REMOVE Griffin?
The administration is going to continue to do this type of thing until the Democrats stand up and say, “NO MORE.”
Torture, Gitmo, Attorney Purge, Signing Statements and on and on.
At what point are the Democrats going to stop this administration from breaking the law?
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:29 am#20 ~ I bet you wish you had a Congress that would dump huge mounts of power and capital into the OOP’s lap without oversight, hmm?
Those days are dead.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:29 amJake,
Doesn’t it eat away at your soul to repeatedly defend a lying, criminal organization?
Comment by VerbalKint
Jake no longer has a soul.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:29 amI’m saying it is possible Gonzales was searching for someone else when he assured Pryor, and therefore, he was not lying.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:30 amJake is just another pimple on the ass of humanity. Kay, on the other hand, has hit the nail on the head. More discussions on American Idol or Survivor take place than what direction our country is headed.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:33 amyeah right, Jake, and you’re NOT a loser.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:33 amI’m saying it is possible Gonzales was searching for someone else when he assured Pryor, and therefore, he was not lying.
But with Goonzales, he “doesn’t remember” anything about this.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:34 amYeah, I’m sure Democrats are going to impeach Gonzales, right after they send the Iraqi war spending bill with no timeline. LOL!!!
Comment by Jake
See your frustrated attempt at humor is embarrassing for us all. Much like watching our Attorney General lie in front of the entire world.
Humor is not something you neocons are able to do. I suspect you are neocons because you’re frustrated by not getting the intellectuals’ jokes.
You and Gonzo should both give it up due to your mutual shortcomings.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:35 amPresident Clinton,
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:35 amAre you here because a Monica is involved?
C’mon, ‘fess up…what’s in it for you?
“due to his being activated for full time military service”!
Is that why, Carl used his pull to keep his friend out of harms way!
Get him out of that positing and send him to the front, wouldn’t that be in true Nazi fashion?
Why are they still allowed to draft dodge,
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:36 amI must have you put away like I put away Vinnie.
Comment by President Clinton
And they call us paranoid or delusional. We have your real name “President Clinton” oogah boogah.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:37 amGonzales can sit there and smirk, content in knowing that Bush will never get rid of him and that, as far as he can tell, there’s nothing the Democrats can do to touch him. But, the point is this. He has lied. He continues to lie. And there’s no reason to think he won’t keep lying. He’s a liar. Whenever he comes in to testify under oath about anything, Congress can’t assume that he means what he says or that he has any intention of keeping the promises he makes. What they can assume is that they’ll get half truths, at best, if not bald-faced lies. They can also assume that when he’s confronted on what appears to be false testimony, he’ll claim he forgot something or meant something different.
You simply cannot have the Attorney General of the United States utterly lacking in credibility to the extent that all of his future communications with Congress and with the U.S. attorneys’ offices around the country are deemed meaningless and generally ignored.
Get. Rid. Of. Him. Now.
Congress must impeach.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:38 amJake sez:
And I’m saying you’re full of sh!t, Jake. The decision was made in December of 2006. Griffin is still in office, despite the fact that the 120-day time limit for interim appointees has expired, despite the fact that Griffin withheld his name for consideration for confirmation, and despite assurances from Gonzo that the administration did not plan to use the PATRIOT Act provision to appoint attorneys for an indefinite period of time while bypassing Senate approval.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:39 amyes, revenge, we can’t win on our ideology, so revenge is the new game in town.
Comment by President Clinton
Sorry but I believe we did win on our own ideology as witnessed by the 2006 election. Of course we won before that, two presidential elections which
were stolen by the neocon fascist ideology. The difference is you neocons locksteppers will follow any party line just like good little nazis.
Progressives on the other hand are already angry that our leaders aren’t following the mandate of the last election. What do you think will happen next?
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:41 amA true scandal should be self-evident and need no explanation.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:41 amWhat is it going to be?
Stay tuned.
Comment by Kay
I couldn’t agree more Kay. It is time for “we the people” to figure out what to do next.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:42 am“That doesn’t mean Gonzales was not also looking for someone else.”
Am I reading this right? Gonzo talks Pryor and on 12/15 and on or about he appoints the Rove’s BFF Griffin to the position. So either the decision was already made and Gonzo lied through his teeth, or within hours he made the decision blowing off Pryor’s concerns. Where did Gonzo look, under his own desk? “Oh, no one qualified under here, let’s go with Griffin”.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:45 amman the trolls just arent the quality they used to be… these idiots must be from the discount bin
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:45 amman the trolls just arent the quality they used to be… these idiots must be from the discount bin
Comment by hil
It’s a problem because anybody still believing the Administration is a dunce by definition and so this is probably the best available.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:49 amA true scandal should be self-evident and need no explanation.
Comment by Patrick1
And when you wake up in your own excrement every morning it should be self-evident that you need those adult diapers but you can’t figure that out either.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:50 am#28 Jake
I’m saying it is possible Gonzales was searching for someone else when he assured Pryor, and therefore, he was not lying.
And I’m saying that it’s quite possible that flying monkeys are streaming out of your butt as we speak. It’s at least as likely as your proposition that Gonzales wasn’t lying.
Here’s the part you’re struggling with:
“Well, then I cannot recommend him to the White House, because if you don’t support him, I know he will not be confirmed. We’ll look for someone else, and give me names that we ought to consider.”
If he knew “he will not be confirmed”, he would not have appointed him anyway, IF he had any intention of looking for another candidate or waiting for Pryor to offer one. He appointed him anyway so that it could be, as Sampson put it, ‘gummed to death’.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:50 amPresident Clinton,
I think you said it right that Democrats can’t win on their own ideology, only revenge these. You see, this “Shane” figure tends to be extremely combative, so it goes to prove that there really are liberals who aren’t nice people at all. This “Shane” douche has probably never done any good for anybody. The Democratic party I used to love only uses intimidation tactics and never really considers the consequences of their actions.
By the way, how more controversial pardons would you have given out if you hadn’t been so short on time your last day in office?
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:51 amDoes anyone else notice that Gonzales constantly looks like a goofball no matter what pic!
Curious? Check out Christopher Ruddy
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:52 amPatrick1 sez:
Don’t worry, Patty…it is self-evident to anyone capable of walking with assistance from their knuckles. The explanation is for your benefit. ^_^
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:53 amGood post’s Kay, Shane and a few other’s…This thread seem’s to be the toilet bowl for the troll’s, as usual…No matter..I’m with you both..Time for we the people to flush….Blessings
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:54 am#39 Patrick1
A true scandal should be self-evident and need no explanation.
It’s only the ethically-challenged trolls who need exhaustive explanation. Everyone else seems to be getting it just fine. That’s why a majority of people polled say he should resign.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:54 amA true scandal should be self-evident and need no explanation.
Comment by Patrick1
Don’t want to have to exercise the few brain cells you have left, eh Patty?
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 amokay — great catch!
i have the easy-view
images of each piece,
laid out, side-by-side
for easy review. . .
great work, thinkprogress!
take a look. . .
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 amOh boy a poll! Now I know you have lost the argument. Again, this is a faux scandal because it is not against the law to fire people in the executive branch.
But this is what desperation brings it seems.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:59 amWhen Chimpy goes on TV to defend his beloved Goonzales, is anyone really surprised? Isn’t what this Moron of a President has always done : right before the FALL.
See: Rummy.
What a sack of S**T Goonzales is.
You have to dig deep with this one. It’s all about the Motive : it’s more than the Firings. It’s the Evident Underming of The Whole Electoral Process.
Damn NeoCons.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:03 amPatrick1 sez:
Still don’t get it, I see.
Anyone else wanna explain it to Patty this time? I don’t have the time or patience to try to educate him yet again.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:03 amCaption:
“la cucaracha, la cucaracha…..”
(cockroach)
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:07 amI get it. It is called moonbat desperation.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:08 amA true scandal should be self-evident and need no explanation.
Unfortunately, this administration does not recognize things that are self-evident: such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:09 amBull shit will lie, cheat, steal and continue to kill off our troop’s to save face….He will hide behind and support this little weasel gonzo untill his hell freezes over…Gonzo is the key behind the illegal wire tapping and many other outragious thing’s…With gonzos help bush has been able to create his huge smoke screen’s and law breaking…Hiding behind gonzos skirt is what the lier and chief doe’s…
Don’t be to hard on the reich winger’s, they can’t help it, after all rove’s shipment of kool aid and talking point’s is lacking enough white sugar to feed their tiny brain cell’s….Blessings
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:11 am#53 Patrick1
Oh boy a poll! Now I know you have lost the argument. Again, this is a faux scandal because it is not against the law to fire people in the executive branch.
We’ve gotten way past that part. You need to pay attention. None of the other trolls are even using that lame talking point anymore. If you don’t understand what ithis is about, you really shouldn’t attempt to comment on it.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:14 amHey patrick1, it’s not against the law to exterminate pests, so does that mean it would be legal for someone to kill you? According to your faux logic, it would not be.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:17 amPatrick-stupidest-troll-ever! Way to go, Patrick. You are doing wonders for Bush. Keep up the good work.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:17 am#57 I know exactly what this is about.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:19 am#53 Patrick1
Oh boy a poll!
And, actually, it’s polls. As in many. I just wanted to point out to you that the number of people who don’t understand what’s wrong with making the DoJ an election-fixing arm of the Republican party is relatively small. Thankfully, there aren’t as many people out there who are as dim as you are.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:20 am61 should read: be illegal for someone to kill you
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:22 amYou see, this “Shane†figure tends to be extremely combative, so it goes to prove that there really are liberals who aren’t nice people at all.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
You see what happened when the German people played nice with Hitler. It’s a neocon myth that liberals are too “nice” to get even with the people who do them wrong. Revenge is a “human” instinct and with two stolen presidential elections along with stolen congressional seats we owe you locksteppers big time. There’s nowhere to hide, boo!
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 amPatrick-stupidest-troll-ever! Way to go, Patrick. You are doing wonders for Bush. Keep up the good work.
Comment by VerbalKint
Like I said, we need to vote on this. Yesterday, Zooey identified another troll as the stupidest ever. People can’t just hand out this award at random; we need a system.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:28 amAnyone else wanna explain it to Patty this time? I don’t have the time or patience to try to educate him yet again.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
We could tatoo it on his p*nis and although his face is in his lap all day he still wouldn’t understand. Time to let him wallow in his own stupidity, again.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:30 amI get it. It is called moonbat desperation.
Comment by Patrick1
Ooooh, Peadick1 is calling us moonbats again. That’s so upsetting, what will we all do now?
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:31 amActually, I have moonbats hanging from under the eaves of my shed during the fall months. They’re so cute! And not a mosquito to be seen anywheres.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:32 amBy the way, how more controversial pardons would you have given out if you hadn’t been so short on time your last day in office?
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 22, 2007 @ 10:51 am
I would have pardoned Hitler if he had been imprisoned.
Pardon was the game and pardoning was my job. I just felt bad by these poor people that had shamed the american people, broken the law, but geez my wife had me by the balls, literally ( and you know that doesn’t happen often) thus I had to pardon everyone she wanted.
She told me…”Either you pardon all those who I want, or I will never let you cheat on me again!” wow, you know how that goes.
I mean, I got away fooling so many women with my looks and good charms. I was, sorry, I am a Don Juan! I use and abuse women, I tell th em what they want to hear and Liberal women who supposedly fight for women’s right, fell for me. I am a man! and I control. women!! ……………well except Hillary, but then again, I think she is a man.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:33 am#63-#57 I know exactly what this is about.
Comment by Patrick1
Wow Nodick1, talking to yourself, couldn’t you do this alone.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:34 amYou see, this “Shane†figure tends to be extremely combative, so it goes to prove that there really are liberals who aren’t nice people at all.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
You see what happened when the German people played nice with Hitler. It’s a neocon myth that liberals are too “nice†to get even with the people who do them wrong. Revenge is a “human†instinct and with two stolen presidential elections along with stolen congressional seats we owe you locksteppers big time. There’s nowhere to hide, boo!
Comment by Shane — May 22, 2007 @ 11:26 am
Shane, don’t forget that I “won” two Presidential elections and both times I received less than 50% of the popular vote.
Oh, also don’t forget that my sycophant followers in Washington State stole the governorship there. In Chicago, well you know we Democratic Party members are so loyal that we vote from our graves.
I don’t know why my followers cry when we love stealing elections!
We Democrats want illegals and non-citizens to vote, the only way we can win.
So, for the sake of our party, stop being a hypocrite.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:36 amComment by Shane
EARTH TO SHANE: AL Gore couldn’t have won the 2000 Presidential election - he couldn’t even win his own state!
EARTH TO SHANE: George W. Bush took the 2004 presidential election with no real controversy. It was clearly a win.
Stop insulting the voters. They didn’t “steal” anything from you.
You win some, then you lose some. Take a loss, why don’t you.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:37 amLike I said, we need to vote on this. Yesterday, Zooey identified another troll as the stupidest ever. People can’t just hand out this award at random; we need a system.
Comment by gummitch
Really, was that a Zooey “power grab”? Zooey, defend yourself, woman!
I’m with you gummitch, some sort of point system. Points for annoying, distracting, stupidity, selfishness, pettiness, etc.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:38 amWow Nodick1, talking to yourself, couldn’t you do this alone.
Comment by Shane — May 22, 2007 @ 11:34 am
I’m sure Patrick1nut has alot of practice at….alonetime
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:38 amActually, I have moonbats hanging from under the eaves of my shed during the fall months. They’re so cute! And not a mosquito to be seen anywheres.
Comment by RUCerious
I need to put up some bat houses because I have a creek behind my house and a bumper crop of mosquitos.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:42 amGlad you’re feeling better RUCerious.
CompTROLLER V-1 sez:
He didn’t need his own state…he needed Florida, which later independent investigations shows he did in fact win.
That’s just a bald-faced lie. 2004 was just as questionable as 2000. Here’s a good place to start educating yourself on the matter.
How exactly is she “insulting the voters”??? The voters are the ones who have been disenfranchised. “Stop insulting the voters” is just as moronic as your ilk’s other clarion call: “Support the troops”.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:46 amPresident Clinton,
The Washington State election was not stolen. Being a resident of that state, I watched Secretary of State Sam Reed (R) do a by the book recount. He followed the law as written, and that’s how Gregoire won the election.
I guess you can whine about that one though. Considering you would never have been lected were it not for Ross Perot. And why did Perot take a large percentage of the vote. Because the Republican Party has abandoned fiscal conservatism.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:46 amI’m sick and tired of libs. Jake, watch this. Libs I’m pulling your punk card. You state that the Bush administration is consisted of liars who break laws. Well, how about actually banding together to protest in front of the House and Senate about the lack of guts to impeach any official within the Bush Administration. Why haven’t you libs used this method to appeal to Congress and the Senate about adding impeachment on behalf of President Bush and his administration? You continue to voice your opinion on this silly blog, but you never take action. Your party is consisted of wimps. Yes, I said it, wimps. Your party is equivalent to weaklings that continue to be bullied in school. If you’re not going to join together to appeal to your Representatives/Senators about beginning impeachment proceedings, you need to close your lips. Until democrats, within this nation, agressively address this issue, you will be considered a party that talks, but never attempts to act. Wow, I truly believe that I can push you guys around and you would never retaliate. Democrats have no guts.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:46 amShane, re post #68, Patrick1 wouldn’t understand but Jake would, Jake can lip read.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:47 amI mean, I got away fooling so many women with my looks and good charms. I was, sorry, I am a Don Juan! I use and abuse women, I tell th em what they want to hear and Liberal women who supposedly fight for women’s right, fell for me. I am a man! and I control. women!!
Comment by President Clinton
Here’s something you can’t understand but as a woman I’ll explain it to you. Bill Clinton didn’t have to fool or deceive anybody. Woman throw themselves at him. I know it’s never happened to you but it happens to lots of men.
Almost anybody, male or female, who’s been near him feels his charisma and charm. Even my diehard ultra-conservative best friend had the hots for him when she met him.
Many of us, even the married ones, would say yes to Bill Clinton. So you should stop projecting your failed sex life onto him.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:48 amGonzales doesnt understand the Constitution.
Bush has never read the Constitution and is proud of this fact.
The Bush family is more embarassed by the president than we are.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:48 amBrother Daryll,
Good morning litle buddy! You ever figure out how to get the shit off your Christ? I let the dogs lick the crucifix before I put it in the dishwasher, that seems to help.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:50 amDaryll, check your Gay-Thread-O-Meter!
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:51 amI think it needs recalibrating!
There’s a thread more to your tastes up ahead!
Shane, don’t forget that I “won†two Presidential elections and both times I received less than 50% of the popular vote.
THIRD PARTY CANDIDATES, IDIOT.
Oh, also don’t forget that my sycophant followers in Washington State stole the governorship there. In Chicago, well you know we Democratic Party members are so loyal that we vote from our graves.
I don’t know why my followers cry when we love stealing elections!
REDISTRICTING AND GERRYMANDERING.
We Democrats want illegals and non-citizens to vote, the only way we can win.
BULLSHIT.
Comment by President Clinton
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:51 amFor the latest news, document dumps, email archives, hearing transcripts and other essential materials in the firings of U.S. attorneys, see:
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:53 am“The U.S. Attorney Scandal Resources.”
Brother Daryll,
Good morning litle buddy! You ever figure out how to get the shit off your Christ? I let the dogs lick the crucifix before I put it in the dishwasher, that seems to help.
Comment by nanlichi — May 22, 2007 @ 11:50 am
BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:53 amNice try daryll, but many of us have been emailing and talking to our elected representatives regarding impeachment.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:53 amFor instance, Jay Inslee doesn’t want impeachment because he mistakenly feels it would cause a swell of support for Bush and Cheney.
He’s wrong but at least he has an opinion.
So why don’t you go back to testing your super secret DOD site software and come back when there’s some gay issue for you to rant about god on.
Comment by Daryll — May 22, 2007 @ 11:46 am
this is not the true daryll we’ve come to adore!
the true daryll would never post a hate-filled comment that would border on anti-Christian, and oppose the teachings of our dear Lord.
That, and this thread has nothing to do with male butt sex!
NAMEJACKER, BEGONE!!!
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:54 amAL Gore couldn’t have won the 2000 Presidential election - he couldn’t even win his own state!
NRA CAMPED OUT IN TENNESSEE SAYING GORE WAS GOING TO TAKE AWAY GUNS. HOW DUMB DO PEOPLE HAVE TO BE TO NOT WANT THE PRESIDENT TO BE FROM THEIR STATE?
George W. Bush took the 2004 presidential election with no real controversy. It was clearly a win.
REALLY HOW ABOUT OHIO AND FLORIDA?
Stop insulting the voters. They didn’t “steal†anything from you.
NO ROVE AND GONZO DID THAT.
You win some, then you lose some. Take a loss, why don’t you.
I WILL WHEN IT HAPPENS.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:56 amI’m sure Patrick1nut has alot of practice at….alonetime
Comment by DRxJ
He probably just forgot he was here, poor bastard.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:57 amDrxJ - yer right. Our God/Troll spells his name with all lower case.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:58 amNo, not lower caste, lower case!
DRxJ,
That’s our Daryll. Only he can scream blasphemy like he does in #88.
Heh.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:58 amWow, I truly believe that I can push you guys around and you would never retaliate. Democrats have no guts.
Comment by Daryll
Go for it, sissy. There are protests all over the country you never see. You didn’t see Bush pelted with eggs on the way to his inauguration but it happened.
Your dictators, Bush/Cheney/Rove don’t let you see protests just like they don’t let you see dead soldiers returning home.
Get a f*cking clue, moron.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:01 pmOh now, get a grip on yourself Brother Darryl, I am just asking a good Christian for some advice, and you offer yourself as an expert in both Christianity and homosexuality and I was just asking a simple question. Didn’t mean to offend. Much.
And take the caps off, it makes you look childish.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:03 pmShane, re post #68, Patrick1 wouldn’t understand but Jake would, Jake can lip read.
Comment by nanlichi
He, he. Jake would think it was some kind of bible thing and get ready for the Rapture, again.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:03 pmGood morning litle buddy! You ever figure out how to get the shit off your Christ? I let the dogs lick the crucifix before I put it in the dishwasher, that seems to help.
Comment by nanlichi
Darryl prefers to do the licking himself.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:05 pmBLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!
Comment by Daryll
Hey Darryl, has anybody told you lately where to stick that Bible. Just put it where your crucifix used to be.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:07 pmThat, and this thread has nothing to do with male butt sex!
NAMEJACKER, BEGONE!!!
Comment by DRxJ
Coffee on my keyboard, priceless.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:09 pmIndict, Impeach, Put on Trial, Convict, Repeat….
Until each and every last neocon has been brought to justice for the crimes they have committed against this nation.
FOIA
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:09 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
I’m going to make myself clear: I’ve done all the research possible. Arguments from the left, arguments from the right, you name it. You can’t put forth your partisan bickering and expect it to be treated at fact, can you? The election of 2000 was decided, President Bush won. Legal mumbo-jumbo may have done it, but our Supreme Court is tasked with that, aren’t they?
As for the election of 2004: Absolutely no indicator that John Kerry would have won if there was actually any feasible case of Ohio. No chance in hell for Kerry. Bush won the election, and he won FLORIDA with no controversy with that year, too.
It’s absolutely relevant that Gore’s home state of Tennessee was lost. His own state lost confidence in him, so it’s indeed a healthy indicator. Had Gore won his own state, he may have very well been President without even having to worry about some tiny marginal win of Florida. It’s tremendous.
You’re attempted spin of my “Insult the voters” statement is quite useless, because that’s exactly what your doing. The voters cast their ballot, then afterward, you take a dispute of one state and blame it on all Republican voters for not giving you your exact pretty result. Should a great country be run on your definition only?
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:11 pm#80 Daryll
It’s real simple, Daryll:
1.”Libs” are not all independently wealthy and/or retired and therefore don’t have a choice of just hopping in the car and driving out to D.C. to protest in front of Congress or the White House. Most have jobs and families they need to tend to.
2. Standing in front of a building and yelling is probably not the most effective way of getting your point across. However, sending thousands of letters and e-mails, and making phone calls to members of Congress are effective ways of doing it.
3. People read the blogs. Members of Congress, talk show hosts, and even White House staff read them. Blogs can put ideas out there that might very well end up as effective talking points. In fact, every idiotic piece of spin that comes out of Tony Snow’s mouth has been logically blown to hell by posts on this blog. Bullshit doesn’t stand a chance. Exposing it is a public service.
And you, Daryll, have been exposed as a serial bullshitter time and time again. You make a mockery of your religious beliefs and yourself every time you post here.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:14 pmok Shane, now you’ve done it. I was laughing so loud I spooked a mother quail off her nest.
That’s some bad Karma.
Back on thread, Fredo is not going anywhere. If lying under oath and pissing on the Constitution aren’t reason enough to get rid of the weasel, what would it take?
Seriously, the outrageous acts of Bush & The Boyz are beyond belief. Yet the Dems don’t have the balls to confront them, and the 28%ers will hang in till 09. Let’s just hope that the Chimp doesn’t do anything in his last lame months that we can’t reverse once we throw their evil asses out in 08.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:19 pmIt’s absolutely relevant that Gore’s home state of Tennessee was lost. His own state lost confidence in him, so it’s indeed a healthy indicator. Had Gore won his own state, he may have very well been President without even having to worry about some tiny marginal win of Florida. It’s tremendous.
So winning the popular vote wasn’t a healthy enough indicator?
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:22 pmAs for the election of 2004: Absolutely no indicator that John Kerry would have won if there was actually any feasible case of Ohio. No chance in hell for Kerry. Bush won the election, and he won FLORIDA with no controversy with that year, too.
I’m not going to argue that Kerry should have won. He was a lousy candidate who ran a lousy campaign. However, there were serious discrepancies between exit poll numbers and offical count numbers. In some cases, these discrepanices exceeded those seen in the Ukraine in an election that the United Nations declared void. To ignore these, regardless of whether they affected the ultimate result of the election is very dangerous.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:26 pm#80 Daryll
It’s real simple, Daryll:
1.â€Libs†are not all independently wealthy and/or retired and therefore don’t have a choice of just hopping in the car and driving out to D.C. to protest in front of Congress or the White House. Most have jobs and families they need to tend to.
2. Standing in front of a building and yelling is probably not the most effective way of getting your point across. However, sending thousands of letters and e-mails, and making phone calls to members of Congress are effective ways of doing it.
3. People read the blogs. Members of Congress, talk show hosts, and even White House staff read them. Blogs can put ideas out there that might very well end up as effective talking points. In fact, every idiotic piece of spin that comes out of Tony Snow’s mouth has been logically blown to hell by posts on this blog. Bullshit doesn’t stand a chance. Exposing it is a public service.
And you, Daryll, have been exposed as a serial bullshitter time and time again. You make a mockery of your religious beliefs and yourself every time you post here.
Comment by chimpeach — May 22, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
Excuses. Show some guts.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:26 pmI’m going to make myself clear: I’ve done all the research possible. Arguments from the left, arguments from the right, you name it. You can’t put forth your partisan bickering and expect it to be treated at fact, can you? The election of 2000 was decided, President Bush won. Legal mumbo-jumbo may have done it, but our Supreme Court is tasked with that, aren’t they?
No, the Supreme court is not supposed to intervene in state matters during an election. Technically speaking though, this is not what they did although they effectively ended the recount and hence gave the election to Bush.
Note: In all of the recount scenarios that Gore was pushing for, Bush still would have won. However, in all thorough (meaning counting votes where the intent of the voter was clear statewide) recount scenarios Gore won.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:29 pmCompTroller V-1 sez:
I can put forth facts and expect them to be treated as such, but I suppose such an expectation is too high for you.
You’re half right. Chimpy didn’t win, but the election was certainly “decided”, wasn’t it?
So you admit that Chimpy didn’t gain the White House as a result of a decision by the American public. I accept your apology.
Didn’t actually read the article I linked to for you, did you? Can’t say I’m surprised, although it is rather amusing, considering you felt the need to “make yourself clear” and claim you’ve “done all the research possible” in your opening paragraph.
Florida wasn’t the state in question in 2004. Try to keep up.
Can’t be that “healthy an indicator”, seeing as how Florida, and the presidency, rightly belonged to him, as you admitted in your previous paragraph. It’s this sort of sloppy thinking that makes my question my decision to discuss this with you.
OK, it’s official. You’re an idiot.
First of all, learn the difference between “you’re” and “your”.
Second, how am I “blaming it on all Republican voters”, you dolt? This dispute has NOTHING to do with the voters. Your continued yammering on this point is proof that you need not be taken seriously.
In conclusion, log off before you hurt yourself.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:38 pm#102 CompTROLLER V-1
How many eligible voters in Florida were denied their legal right to vote in 2000 as a result of Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris misusing a database to purge supposed felons from the voter rolls? What percentage of those non-felons were African American? Had Bush and Harris been warned previously by the database company that the purge list had to be cross-checked because there were likely a lot of non-felons on it? Did they heed the warning?
How many ’spoiled’ ballots were thrown out and never counted in the 2004 election in Ohio? How many provisional ballots were thrown out and never counted in the 2004 election in Ohio? What is “caging” and how was it used to deny eligible African American residents serving in the military overseas the right to vote?
Why don’t you go find the answers to these questions before you start spouting a bunch of bullshit about the elections that you actually know very little about. We’ve got assholes like Rove pulling every imaginable scheme to suppress votes and rig the system before the election, and then we have ignorant jerks running around claiming it was all fair and above board afterwards. Try telling it to someone who doesn’t know better. Nobody’s buying that crap here.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 pmEngage in Trollus Interruptus; that frustrates their mission.
It gets worse. Gonzales may have backdated his appointment of Griffin, from Dec 18th to 15th, so that he could claim to have made the appointment before Pryor told him “No”. Hence, the weekend call to Cummins while he was on a hunting trip over the intervening weekend. See, thenexthurrah.typepad.com.
Regarding the status of Griffin’s appointment, a federal judge in Arkansas has apparently ruled that because Griffin has overstayed any 120-day temporary appointment, and the President has not submitted his name for Senate confirmation, then as a matter of law, he is the Attorney General’s appointment under the Patriot Act.
As the maxim goes, the law abhors a vacuum, and a judge’s job is to fill them where necessary and practicable. ‘Fredo and Shrub can’t have it both ways: they can’t pretend not to use the power they fought for so aggressively and silently, and yet do nothing about the pending needs of the administration of justice. Even if that’s what they want to do.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:49 pm#107 Daryll
Excuses. Show some guts.
Like you’re doing right now? I don’t see you doing anything but posting on a blog. Besides, you’re the last person around here who sould even be talking about “guts”. All I have to do to send you screaming like a little girl is to say I just took a crap on a Bible.
And I just did.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:50 pmJake, having read some of the crap you post, you have to be one of the worst, most pathetic subhumans on this planet, except for of course most everyone in the Bush Administration.
The crimes just keep piling up daily on these guys.
Hating the Repukian mafia daily
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:57 pmSurprise Surprise Surprise! More news on lies isn’t news. What would be news would be the fricking democrats growing a pair, yes Pelosi also, and actually issuing supoenas, stop with the letter writing and threats and approvals to issue but nothing being issued.
When the Democrats actually do something proactive instead of flexing muscles they don’t seem to have, that would be news. Tired of this cat and mouse game. It is like Tom and Jerry in Washington.
Sick of this government - what a fricking joke and an embarrasment!
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:41 pmnothing was said when Clinton fired every single person when he entered office, he wasn’t even challeged. Bush had a right to do so, no questions should have been asked.
May 22nd, 2007 at 2:02 pmmove on, we have more important things to focus on, like dissolving Americorps.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
“OK, it’s official. You’re an idiot.”
Man, so full of substance. Doesn’t the name calling signal a white flag? You are not at liberty to label anyone an “official” idiot, by the way. As well, you’re not at liberty to decide whether and when anyone should be taken seriously.
“In conclusion, log off before you hurt yourself.”
You are often floating this line as if you’re trying to convince yourself that you’ve won the argument, and to make the person feel as if there’s no point to issuing a response. That’s kiddish and deceiving, to say the least. I’ll keep challenging your misleading misinforation, you can bet on that.
And finally, why would you issue me links to left-wing pages in attempting to justify your old and rambling left-wing contentions? With another left-winger denoting the same material? Good to see Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s bipartison tone in effect.
“First of all, learn the difference between “you’re†and “yourâ€.”
People who have a sound rebuttal are not stupidly focusing on obviously minor grammar mistakes.
In conclusion, Bush is the winner (x2), and you and Shane need to come to that realization. I’m sorry that both of you choose to mislead others. An Al Gore presidency wouldn’t have been great, anyways.
Am I complaining about the fact that Mr. Clinton couldn’t even take the popular vote? There were calls to abolish the electoral college during 2000, but not when the system was convenient for Clinton! His presidency didn’t even become good until he had a Republican congress to clash with!
May 22nd, 2007 at 2:11 pmComment by CompTROLLER V-1
Is that how you debate, wait until everybody leaves. Loser.
May 22nd, 2007 at 2:32 pmComment by Shane
“NRA CAMPED OUT IN TENNESSEE SAYING GORE WAS GOING TO TAKE AWAY GUNS. HOW DUMB DO PEOPLE HAVE TO BE TO NOT WANT THE PRESIDENT TO BE FROM THEIR STATE?”
There’s that partisan spin again! And you’re not insulting the voters? They’re all dumb because they don’t vote for your candidate? You believe that the home state of the Presidential candidate should automatically give him/her the electoral points simply because s/he hails from that state, not looking at their record of scandal? And no, I’ve read full accounts, and the NRA was one legitimate voice of many influencing the voters of Tennessee. Google it. Albert Gore had a history of scandals coming from there. The voters casted their ballots. Please respect the outcome.
“REALLY HOW ABOUT OHIO AND FLORIDA?”
Bush took Florida easily in 2004, and there’s no real substance to the allegations in Ohio. If it’s so important, why hasnt this 110th Democratic Congress visited the subject? Kerry wouldn’t have taken the presidency, anyways.
“NO ROVE AND GONZO DID THAT.”
Your blame game knows no boundaries. In your mind, if you lost, you were always robbed. That’s been your unrelenting contention, clearly.
“I WILL WHEN IT HAPPENS.”
The American people know that your party has lost time and time again. Admit it, the Democratic party is no longer genuine, just loony. You believe that if every Representatives, Senators, President, Vice President, Justice is not completely Democratic, then there’s seriously wrong with the country. Both parties need serious cleaning, but you believe only a one-party system works (in this case, Democratic), no matter how corrupt.
May 22nd, 2007 at 2:33 pmTogether, Bush and the Democrats have redefined the word “impunity”.
May 22nd, 2007 at 2:40 pmYou believe that if every Representatives, Senators, President, Vice President, Justice is not completely Democratic, then there’s seriously wrong with the country. Both parties need serious cleaning, but you believe only a one-party system works (in this case, Democratic), no matter how corrupt.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-
Don’t you pretend to know what I think. You and I are polar opposites. I definitely don’t know where you’re coming from, or care for that matter. But I am definitely not to happy with Democrats right now and will not vote for them if given an option.
May 22nd, 2007 at 2:45 pmOk, then it is time to charge him with perjury and get him out of there. Do you really think, if the positions were reversed, that the Republics would be treating the Democrats the way the Democrats are treating the Republics (very nicely, I must say). I don’t know what is wrong with this Democratic party. They have no will and no spine. Are they ever going to do anything except talk and write letters? They are becoming an embarrassment.
May 22nd, 2007 at 3:39 pmImpeachment for all of the Bush Administration would be the LEAST that should be done.
May 22nd, 2007 at 8:36 pmHasn’t anyone heard of Frederick Black the U.S. attorney for Guam? He was replaced by Rove when he went after Abramoff, this is a direct link to the white house and his name hasn’t been mentioned once during the senate hearings. the whole thing is a sham to make us think they care about the truth. we don’t make any noise using keyboards!
May 22nd, 2007 at 8:51 pmWhy are you people so tame?
Your forefathers knew exactly what to do with people like these.
May 23rd, 2007 at 8:39 am