Pelosi: ‘I’m Not Likely To Vote For Something That Doesn’t Have A Timetable’
Pelosi: ‘I’m Not Likely To Vote For Something That Doesn’t Have A Timetable’
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) confirmed at a press conference late this afternoon that she does not intend to vote for the Iraq deal reached today by the White House and Congress. “I’m not likely to vote for something that doesn’t have a timetable or a goal,” she said, while still praising the deal as “a recognition by the administration that a new direction was called for by the American people.”
Later, House Appropriations Chairman David Obey (D-WI) insisted that “we intend to continue that fight” for an Iraq timeline “on every vehicle available to us,” adding that the “first two vehicles that we expect to join the issue on are the defense appropriations bill in July and the defense supplemental appropriations bill in September.”
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Also during the press conference, Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) called the deal “the beginning of the end of the president’s policy in Iraq,” citing the 18 benchmarks and two required ‘progress reports’ laid out in the legislation. Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC), the House Majority Whip, pointed out that the bill will allow for passage of the first minimum wage increase in a decade, and for more than $6 billion to be delivered to victims of Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, and Wilma.
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Admirable, Nancy, but until you put impeachment "back on the table", you're no better that the criminals in the White House.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:29 pmamen #1, no other choice, NOW
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:30 pmTHE WOMEN ARE LEADING AND THEY CAN'T STAND IT!!!!
Now lead a bit more aggresively...
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:31 pmYeah, Rahm, you little DLC toady. Putting the lipstick on the pig.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:32 pmThis is not a surprise people. We all know Democrats love this war because it gives them something to attack the President over. They could careless about our dying troops. They hate the troops.
Democrats LOVE war.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:33 pmNOT LIKELY??!! Yes or Fricking No! Can't just one person beside Feinstein say NO, I will not vote for something without timelines? and I third #s 1 and 2.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:35 pmthe dems had better get busy doing damage control in a hurry... the great unwashed netroots/grassroots masses are ready to rumble... listen to those drums in the jungle...
And, yes, I DO take it personally
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:35 pmNo, Rahm. Sending the same bill back would end the blank check. This is pure DLC caving.
Let Bush veto, and leave our troops there with no funding if he thinks that's best. He'll pay the price.
Make a stand on this bill, not end endless stream of subsequent bills.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:36 pmEmail Pelosi and tell her to NOT support any bill without timelines. Better yet tell her NOT to even allow a vote on it!
AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:38 pmreid's office, "the voice mailbox for Senator Reid is full, goodbye". 202) 224 - 3542, give em a hollar tomorrow and let him know what you think about his bullshit statements of how they stood up
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:38 pmSomeone will of course get a list of all sell out Dems who did not have the balls to press this to the end.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:39 pmThe time to end this war is now. Not when the Democrats, or the republicans or the Iraqis - or any politicians tell us it should be over
Aggressive war is murder. The founders recognized this, and so do many American people.
We need to end this war now, and some politicians need to stand up and have the courage to take that position.
Some further thoughts:
"Top-Ten Reasons to Get out of Iraq Now"
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:40 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/top_ten_reasons_to_get_out_of_iraq_now
Bluedog Democrats PUSH families into Poverty by NOT ending the war. Sending soldiers to their graves.
Afghanistan War 10/2001 ..........Iraq War 3/2001
Commodities SURGE with WARS. Commodities are equal to Food and Energy. Staying the Course in Wars and YOU and I pay through INFLATION of Products.
Here is the symbol for Orange Juice " OJU7 "depcting screaming I N F L A T I O N. Paid $ 2.10 for a gallon of Tropicana on 11/2001, now paying $ 6.99 for the same gallon of juice.
http://charts3.barchart.com/chart.asp?vol=Y&jav=adv&grid=Y&org=stk&sym=OJU7&data=H&code=BSTK&evnt=adv
Here is the symbol for GOLD " GCQ7 ", depicting screaming I N F L A T I O N.
http://charts3.barchart.com/chart.asp?vol=Y&jav=adv&grid=Y&org=stk&sym=GCQ7&data=H&code=BSTK&evnt=adv
Here is the symbol for the US DOLLAR, " DXU7 "depicting a screaming loss of 33 percent of its value.
http://charts3.barchart.com/chart.asp?vol=Y&jav=adv&grid=Y&org=stk&sym=DXU7&data=H&code=BSTK&evnt=adv
Here is the symbol for the Crude Oil Chart, " CLU7 " notice the extreme low prices and the dates on the chart.
http://charts3.barchart.com/chart.asp?vol=Y&jav=adv&grid=Y&org=stk&sym=CLU7&data=H&code=BSTK&evnt=adv
Go to this and pull up a 6 year chart and check off the crude oil prices near the bottom of Customize your chart. The lows in 2001 at 1.03 a gallon for gasoline. Currently we are at 3.20.
http://www.gasbuddy.com/images/head_spacer2.gif
Well given the current extreme high prices, we will be heading much much higher as long as we sit in Iraq.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:41 pmI think they're doing a good cop, bad cop routine. They're going to jack us around some more. I don't know which is more galling, that they are completing ignoring all of us, or they think most Americans are so stupid, they can't see through their pretend anger and verbal gameplaying.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:45 pmEmail REID. He can only respond to constituents. It doesn't say it will not except email from non-constituents.
http://reid.senate.gov/contact/email_form.cfm
Tell him to have a spine. To not introduce any bill without timelines regardless of not have a veto proof Congress. Let the f**ker in the White House veto it and then send it again and again and again. DON'T LET HIM BACK DOWN!
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:46 pmEmail Pelosi and tell her to NOT support any bill without timelines. Better yet tell her NOT to even allow a vote on it!
AmericanVoices@mail.house.gov
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:47 pmYou'd better have one f*ck of a strategy, Nancy...
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 pmSenator Reid:
You are sadly mistaken if you think the Democrats have any shred of dignity in the debate on funding the boondagle in Iraq. It's disgusting that you have again caved into Bush's bullying. I am ashamed of the leadership of this country, across the board.
Paul W. Miller
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:50 pmI contacted her and told her that she should be impeached. That is what you wanted, right?
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:54 pmIf this Congress was serious about reining in Chimpy & Co. and stopping this disastrous occupation, they'd rescind the AUMF.
It would be easy, and not subject to veto by the Chimp.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:56 pmSo, to try and make this noxious bill even the least bit palatable, the claim is that money that was already allocated for Katrina relief is now allocated for Katrina relief
Bravo, well played, fiendishly clever how you Dems wheedled money out of W that he already should have earmarked for the Katrina victims
And all you had to do in return was roll over and give a politically weak and overwhelmingly unpopular President as big a blank check as the GOP did in all it's W-enabling years
Yep, giving W what he wants, that'll sure change his Iraq debacle for the better, no doubt about it
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:56 pmthe donations to democrats for the last election helped elect politicians who are extending the war- if we had voted for republicans we would be at the same place.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:04 pmI have been emailing Speaker Pelosi almost constantly, and will continue.
Nancy, please, stop being so damned polite and get with it!
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:08 pmThe authorization to use force in Iraq also had reporting requirements (Rahm) which, along with much of the authorization, Bush ignored. Once this supplemental passes Bush has been given his inch and will take more than a yard if past practices are any indication of future performance... he'll take a mile.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:09 pmSo, am I right in understanding Bush must return after Labor Day and ask for more money?
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 pmDems playing "safe" politics as usual.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:13 pmHere's the catch: What is to stop Bush from returning to Congress in September, saying the war is showing "progress," and bullying the Congress for more money? You know the Dems will roll over and give him the money.
I think we can all expect Bush to bully the weak Dems and get his way until '08, when another President in elected.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 pmCORRUPT I SAY
TOTALLY CORRUPT
and they are going to be the most accountable congress
EVER
to the is american people
do you know there is a GOOD chance,
BOTH
congress and prez are simply serving the bankers
so they can continue giving the central bankers loans
and both parties are happy.
congress gets to continue to have a blank check
prez gets his wars
and we the people get shafterd for owning and owing that
debt for eternity
CORRUPT I SAY
TOTALLY
FRIGGIN
CORRUPT
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:17 pmI am disgusted, angry, and horribly disappointed with the continued spinelessness of the Democrats. The midterm election put them in power, and they turn around and ignore the ramifications of that power shift! I am writing snail mail, I am sending email, and I will spend tomorrow morning calling Democrat who dares to answer the phone. If they will not respond appropriately, vigorously, opppositionally, then I am eager to seek, recruit, and support anti-war candidates. Let these spineless know-nots continue to ignore the will of the people, go to their receptions, and eat canapes and drink wine. They will find themselves employed come January 2009, just like their buddy Dumbya. I am livid, seething with anger, and justifiably perturbed. Who do they think put them where they are? Who do they think pays their salaries? Who do they think makes us the populace of this country? If they don't know, they'll soon find out!
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:18 pmYou can contact your Congressional representative via here :
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
If you feel strongly one way or the other, don't be passive about it. Let your voice be heard and contact your representative.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:22 pmPlease Madame Speaker: Why did you let us down and allow this to come to a vote? and to you Senator Reid: Why? Why did you vote against the people and turn your back on all of us?
You have deliberately caved in to those that want to continue war forever.
i am deeply ashamed of my congress now. You have all the appearances of being able to do nothing, and it doesn't seem you care.
not one filibuster. not one denial of a bill coming to a vote to stop them as the people of this country have asked you to do.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:24 pmDO YOU KNOW IT ONLY TOOK 6 MONTHS FOR CORRUPTION TO CONTINUE
WHITE HOUSE
CORRUPT
DEPT OF DEFENSE
TOTALLY CORRUPT
OH WHAT'S THE USE, IT'S ENOUGH TO MAKE EVERYONE PUKE
LARRY KNOWS WANDA KNOWS KIND OF CRAP
LIKE A NICE BIG FAT DOD CONTRACT
YOU SCRATCH ME AND I SMOOZE WITH YOU
AND JUST WAIT..... K STREET GOING FOR THE DEMOCRATS
TOTALLY FRIGGIN CORRUPTED
OH YEAH THEY SERVE THE PEOPLE ALL RIGHT FOR $100,000 PER PLATE
TOTAL FRIGGIN SWINDLERS, HOODLUMS, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN
THE MOST SACRED HOUSE OF THE LAND AND OUR ALL FAITHFUL
SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE
THESE AIN'T SOME GOD APPOINTED ROCK SOLID INTEGRITY, ALMIGHTY
JUSTICE AND ROCK SOLID FAIRNESS
THIS IS A BUNCH OF FAST, SMOOTH TALKING LIARS..... SWINDLERS,
HOODLUMS, JA HO BEES, WHATEVER YOU CALL THESE THINGS
CORRUPT I SAY
TOTALLY
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:25 pmFRIGGIN
CORRUPT
What part of equal branches of government don't they get?
Bush says no and they say alright, here is your blank check. They could do the same from the basement without leading both Houses.
After four short months, there is no leadership and they are back to rubber stamping the worst President on a failed mission while the troops pay the price in blood. For what? So the Iraqi government can go on vacation for two months?
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:27 pm#30
LISTEN DUDE/DUDETTE
IT DON'T DO KNOW GOOD TO WRITE ANY OF THEM
THEY ARE ALL BOUGHT OUT !!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE NOT IN THIS ELITE CLASS THAT TAKES AT
LEAST $100,000 EVEN TO BE RECONIZED
YOU DONOT HAVE A YACHT, A PLANE, A PRIVATE ISLAND
TO WHEEL AND DEAL AND SMOOZE WITH
LISTEN DUDE, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FOR AT LEAST 2 FRIGGIN
YEARS WANT OUT FROM PUTTING US IN DEBT FOR ETERNITY IN
A TOTALLY CORRUPTED WAR
WITH A BUNCH OF TOTALLY CORRUPTED SWINDLERS, HOODLUMS
SORRY......... BUT IT'S SO DOG GONE CORRUPT JIMBO DUDE ONLY
SPEAKS THE TRUTH AND HOPEFULLY ALL THE AIR HEADS IN THIS
COUNTRY FINALLY LEARNED A LESSON
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S THE REPUBLICIANS OR DEMOCRATS
NOW WE GOT OURSELVES INTO A HUGE WAR THAT WILL PUT US INTO
DEBT FOREVER
DUDE
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:30 pmlisten...
i thought only congress could declare war?
longer than world war II
this is so dog gone pathetic, it's enough to
say this is total complete corruption
and guess what?
it's just the friggin beginning, 4 more years.
oh... but they served the people passing min. wage
until it gets to the senate, then it's back to $5.15
TOTALLY
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:36 pmFRIGGIN
CORRUPT
Well, the question will be What does the World look like in Sept? If Krugman is right, it will look like Hell and the Republicans are the ones who are still giving this rogue President the power to ignore Congress.
What would happen if Congress didn't fund the Troops? Really?? George Washington pursued the Revolution without funds from the Continental Congress. Chits & IOUs were issued. The Troops went without and suffered for it. And it nearly brought disaster on the young republic.
Oh, yes, eventually George would have to wind the war down. But how many would needlessly die. And would the public blame the right person? It's funny how domestic disputes go all wrong. You think it's obvious who has the sympathy and then the tide shifts.
The problem is what everyone knew was the real reason why Pappy Bush didn't overthrow Saddam. A democratic Iraq would be Iran's ally. And the two would be the great power in the Middle East. This is why Bush is threatening Iran, although it's obvious America hasn't the power to attack Iran. Bush is hoping something will go right.
But it won't. Everything will go wrong. Invading Iraq was like getting married while drunk. So easy to do, so messy to undo. The Iraq Study Group was like meeting the lawyers and being told the law and what has to happen. And Bush can't face that reality. He can drag Iraq to a marriage counsellor and try to "make nice", but it ain't gonna work. And the more mulish he sounds and threatening, the better Iran will look to the Shi'ite Iraqis who just want the Americans to go home.
So, Bush has to go back Sept for more money. The Iraqis have a petition calling for a timeline for withdrawal before their parliament. The UN mandate, giving Bush the right to occupy Iraq, expires at the end of Dec. Bush is playing high stakes poker. The rest of us would all like to call it a night, but he's dealing and he's put too much of our money in the pot. What to do?
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:37 pmSo I tried to call Gramma Nancy but they said she was going to Greenland for a week to watch ice melt. Okay, I'll try again later.
Impeach Nancy!
Don't send a women to do a mans job.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:37 pmPelosi will never be taken seriously until she puts impeachment back on the table. She sent the first signal that her leadership would be that of rubber stamping whatever Bush wanted.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:40 pmhi!!!
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:42 pmDon’t send a women to do a mans job.
Comment by beefeater
F*ck you, lame-assed eater.
I'm getting tired of the misogyny going on around here, so zip it.
This is from a woman who took up the slack for a man who taught his children NOTHING. You got it -- I've been a "man's job" all of my sons' lives.
STFU.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:44 pm"the House Majority Whip, pointed out that the bill will allow for passage of the first minimum wage increase in a decade, and for more than $6 billion to be delivered to victims of Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, and Wilma."
Well then, there you go. The lives of hundreds of our military are to be sacrificed for a raise in the minimum wage and hurricane aid.
I am so angry and disappointed in the Democrats. They have proved themselves to be spineless wimps. They, along with the enabling Republics will be responsible for the loss of many more of our young men and women. If any of them have a conscience (which I doubt), they will have a hard time sleeping at night.
It's time for a third party. The Progressive Party. And we should recruit Russ Feingold as the stand bearer.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:45 pmWhy are people surprised?
Pelosi showed she is incompetent by not having started impeachment proceedings already.
Bush already admitted on national TV that he broke the FISA law and a Federal judge has heard the case agreed that he broke the FISA law, so what more does she need?
Since no court has declared the FISA law unconstitutional, Bush MUST be indicted and argue his case in court.
If the law is NOT declared unconstitutional, he should go to jail just like as if you or I violated that law.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:47 pmHere's Nanci Pelosi's direct e-mail address:
http://speaker.gov/contact/
I have e-mailed her several times today. I'm so spitting mad.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:48 pmyours truly could take care of those silly boys!
(hi, z!)
kisses,
ann
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:48 pmComment by ann coulter — I'll go with you. Oh and Karl Rove is right here and said it would be like Hometown Buffet.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:56 pmSpineless bunch of wusses. I felt like we were compromising when we allowed talk of a timetable instead of immediate withdraw and the demo-cants don't even get that. Losers.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:56 pmI don't think this could be any more disheartening!
A President that's nothing more than an arrogant, obstinate ASS, hellbent on expiditing armegeddon; and a Congress that can't seem to save us from him.
What on earth can the Democratic leadership be thinking? How many more times and how many more ways can it be said? THE CURRENT POLICY IS AN ABSOLUTE, MONUMENTAL FAILURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE CURRENT POLICY HAS WEAKENED AMERICA AND EMPOWERED OUR ENEMIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE CURRENT POLICY MUST CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How, in heavens name, can they expect the electorate to just stand by and allow the insanity to continue?
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:56 pmGod bless our troops, goddamn GW Bush!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!
CORRUPTION DIRECTLY/INDIRECTLY EFFECTS ALL OF US.
IT DEGRADES SOCIETY AS A WHOLE
TO BENEFIT A SELECT FEW
HOODLUMS I SAY (sorry dude)
BUT THIS JUST SHOWS THE COMPLETE
CORRUPT STATE OUR CARESSED, ROCK SOLID PUBLIC SERVANTS
SERVE US
FAR, FAR SUPERIOR SERVICE AT MCDONALD'S
AT LEAST MCDONALD'S DOESN'T STIFF YOU FOR AT LEAST
$10,000, 20,000 COULD BE $100,000 MORE DEBT YOU AND I
WILL BE OBLIGATED TO PAY
PREZ GETS EVERYTHING FOR HIS CRONY'S
CONGRESS CONTINUES TO GET THEIR BLANK PORK CHECK
BANKERS ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WRITE MORE U.S. LOANS
SO OUR TRUSTED SERVANTS CAN SPEND SPEND SPEND
AND WE PAY PAY PAY
TOTALLY FRIGGIN CORRUPT
OH YEAH THEIR SERVING THE PEOPLE ALL RIGHT WHO?
THEY ARE SERVING THE HOODLUMS DUDE... THAT'S WHO THEY SERVE
IN A COMPLETE CESSPOOL OF POLTICAL PARASITES, WANDA KNOWS
JIMMY KIND OF WHEELING/DEALING, FAST/SMOOTH TALKING,
POLTICAL
TERMITES
FRIGGIN CESSPOOL OF POLITICAL MAGGOTS, LEECHES, TICKS, CHIGGARDS
IN A COMPLETE CESSPOOL OF COMPLETE FRIGGIN POLITICAL CORRUPTION
DUDE
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:58 pmI rule everything! This is all the master plan. The Democrats are doing exactly what I want them to do. CAVE
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:59 pmEveryones pissed? Then do something about it. No bill has been signed. Take action and start writing and calling your senator and congress-person.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:02 pmre#39 Zooey
I would like to politely ask the same question that beefeater asked.
Why should NOT Pelosi be impeached?
Do you also believe that the police captian who ignores a police officer's unlawful act should not be thrown out?
Please remember that Bush admitted to breaking the FISA law on national TV and a Federal judge ruled that Bush broke that law!
Therefore is it NOT her job to start impeachment hearings, so that the president can be indicted, and be given the oppourtunity to test his opinion that the FISA law is unconstitutional in court?
If she does not want to do her constitutional duty, why should the rest of the Congress not impeach her first, in order to get a Speaker who will do their duty?
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:02 pmComment by ann coulter — May 22, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
Hi j! Long time, no see! Are you still a band member?
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:04 pmand we're supposed to believe this? the only thing nancy says that i believe is that bush will NOT be impeached while she's speaker.
i'm appalled and insulted that ms. pelosi thinks so little of the intelligence of the american people.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:06 pmWhat a pack of unprincipled cowards and liars! This is nothingof short gutless capitulation. A blank check to continue this occupation and all the deaths that will come of it.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:07 pmDon’t send a women to do a mans job.
Comment by beefeater —
Yep, this is out there, lurking.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:07 pmIf she does not want to do her constitutional duty, why should the rest of the Congress not impeach her first, in order to get a Speaker who will do their duty?
Comment by criticalthinker
It may be true that Pelosi may need to go. We'll know soon enough if she actually has a plan. Then I have no problem with pitching her ass out of office. However, if we act too quickly on this, we may be cutting off our nose to spite our face. I would give it time -- not too much more time -- but a little more.
FYI: I was not addressing beefeater's comment about Pelosi, I was addressing his "Don't send a woman to do a man's job" remark.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:08 pmI don't know if this could be any more disheartening!
A President that's nothing more than an arrogant, obstinate a**hole, hellbent on expiditing armageddon, and a Congress that can't seem to save us from him.
How many more times and how many more ways can it be said?
THE CURRENT POLICY IS AN ABSOLUTE AND MONUMNETAL FAILURE!!!
THE CURRENT POLICY HAS WEAKENED AMERICA AND EMPOWERED OUR ENEMIES!!!
THE CURRENT POLICY MUST CHANGE!!!
What on earth can the Democratic leadership be thinking? How can they expect the electorate to just stand by and allow the insanity to continue?
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:08 pmGOD BLESS OUR TROOPS, GODD*MN GW Bush!!!
DE-FUND AND RE-DEPLOY!!!
Pelosi's job is to represent the people.
The DickHeadInChief needs to uphold the Constitution.
Big difference.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:10 pm"This is from a woman who took up the slack for a man who taught his children NOTHING. You got it — I’ve been a “man’s job†all of my sons’ lives.
STFU.
Comment by Zooey — May 22, 2007 @ 10:44 pm"
Sorry Zooey,
I should have said;
Don't send a nice grandmotherly woman to do an angry bitch’s job.
Better?
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:10 pmBest way to contact DC Reps and Senators is to send them a one page FAX, with your beef typed in concise format, and make sure you do spell check first.
Here are the FAX numbers for Rep. Nancy Pelosi:
In Washington > 202-225-8259, and in California > 415-861-1670.
Here are the FAX numbers for Sen. Harry Reid:
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:11 pmIn Washington > 202-224-7327, and in Nevada > 702-388-5030.
beefeater,
Better quit while you are behind.
Stop being an assbag.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:12 pmDon’t send a nice grandmotherly woman to do an angry bitch’s job.
Better?
Comment by beefeater
Capitalize "Bitch" and I'm good, wanker.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 pmNo doubt in my mind that if Hillary is elected she'll behave in the same way. She is owned, just like many of the Dems.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 pmNOW LISTEN DUDE
(AND DUDETTES :)
IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE JIMBO DUDE HAS POSTED AND SPOKEN
THE TRUTH DUDE...........
AND JIMBO DUDE ALWAYS SPEAKS TRUTH DUDE.
I SHOULD BE THE FRIGGIN PRESIDENT DUDE
I HAVE ROCK SOLID INTEGRITY
ALWAYS ALWAYS SPEAKS EVEN THE PAINFUL TRUTH DUDE IF NEED BE
I MOST DEFINITE DISCERN CLEARLY WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT DUDE
THEN I DO IT DUDE
I AM MOST DEFINITELY NOT ABLE TO BE CORRUPTED DUDE
NOW.......... PEOPLE HAVE LEARNED A LESSON DUDE
NEITHER DEMOCRATS NOR REPUBLICIANS CAN BE TRUSTED DUDE
I'M THE INDEPENDENT DUDE
SAD PART IS I DON'T HAVE LOTS OF MONEY DUDE
CORRUPT I SAY TOTALLY CORRUPT
ROCK SOLID INTEGRITY DON'T MEAN NOTHIN DUDE
NEITHER DOES HONESTY DUDE
IT'S ALL FRIGGIN SMOOTH, SLICK SHISTERS DUDE
IT'S ALOT OF SMOOZING WITH DRACULA DURING THE WEE WEE
HOURS OF THE MORNING, WHILE CHECKS ARE BUYING OUT VOTES
AND LOTS OF ARM TWISTING........................ DUDE
DRACULA COMES AND THE DEAL IS CUT DUDE
IT'S SERVING ALL THE SPECIAL INTERESTS DUDE
AND WE FRIGGIN GET STIFFED DUDE
NOW.................
jimbo dude has spoken the truth and i'm definitely going to chill dude
i'm most definitely taking a chill pill dude :)
jimbo dude is so heavenly awesome and so cool, can't help blowing
everybody away dude...... always rock solid integrity and honesty dude
now................. i'm chillin dude :)
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:18 pmPelosi needed to step down as soon as she took impeachment off the table. She has taken an oath to defend the Constitution and that includes impeachment when it is called for. She surrendered before she was even sworn into office.
She may respect Bush as a person but, I find him not worthy of any respect and he deserves to be sent to the Hague for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
One has to understand who you are battling. You do not give the likes of Bush and Cheney an eighth of an inch because they were already stealing a mile. So while Pelosi and Reid are playing with non-binding nonsense, Bush is sending the CIA into Iran for more regime change and planning to double the surge.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:18 pmGet it folks;it's all one big club that you and I pay for them to do their job of screwing us.none of their sons & daughters are dying in Iraq it's the ordinary folks like you and I.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:23 pmThe Dem leadership just like the Repuke are just as corrupt.Look at what the DLC has done to the party of middle class folks,Was Clinton's Nafta and Gatt trade agreement not intended to stem the flow of illegals.Well,It shipped our jobs out and now the illegals are here taking our jobs.
The far away the Dem Party gets from the Clintons the better for ordinary folks.
"why should the rest of the Congress not impeach her first, in order to get a Speaker who will do their duty?"
Members of Congress cannot be impeached. Under the terms of the Constitution, they are not "civil officers of the United States."
The punishment for wrongdoing by members of Congress is expulsion, censure, reprimand, or some lesser punishment pursuant to Article I, Section 5 of the Constitution, which provides that "Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns, and Qualifications of its own members . . . . Each House . . . . may punish its members for disorderly Behavior, and with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a member."
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:25 pmBeefeater is a sexist pig? Whoda thunk.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:27 pmUm, on what grounds would you impeach Pelosi? A recall election I can see but impeachment? Are you high?
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:27 pmFools on the Hill, Pelosi took impeachment off the table before she was reelected. There was no huge push to send her to the political netherworld.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:30 pmImpeachment must be put on the table publicly my Speaker Pelosi, loudly, and for a very specific reason:
President Bush, and the White House in general, refuse to negotiate in good faith. Treat this like a business deal. When you receive an offer, you counter with an offer that compromises in good faith. If, in turn, the opponent responds with a counteroffer that not only offers zero compromise, but in fact tells you your counteroffer needs follow exactly what they told you in the first place, you either rescind all offers and leave them high and dry, or you make the next counteroffer worse for them.
In this context, that means every single bill passed needs to be tougher, and have less compromise, until the administration is willing to negotiate.
In business, negotiators using tactics that this Congress is using would have been fired almost immediately.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:31 pmI wondered about that Exley. Again, maybe a recall election but I doubt that would work. She is pretty popular in her district.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:31 pmJPark,
That was the aim of my post #57.
Could've been clouded by a bit of anger, though.
;)
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:31 pmThese politicans are a krafty lot, none of us knows what the inside goings on are like, we can guess and speculate, but none of us know. She can be making many side deals to sink the GOP or now and well into the future....I will for the moment give her a break and know that something else is going on on the inside.
Hating the corrupt Repukian Mafia daily, and hoping that the Dems break the back of Repukians for the next 30 years
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:34 pmCould’ve been clouded by a bit of anger, though.
Comment by trueblue
Try some wine, true. It's a frickin' miracle worker.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:35 pmI know one thing Buck Fush, this is definitely keeping the Iraq occupation on the front pages.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:37 pmNah.
It's 11:40pm here.
I need sleep.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:37 pmCall me naive, call me hopefull; but, it just occured to me that maybe this could be a ruse?
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:39 pmCan it be possible that a bill that gives Bush a blank check, a bill that doesn't change policy or hold Bush accountable- is it possible that a bill like that wouldn't pass, in one or both, the House and Senate?
So, by design, it would submarine what Bush wants and move the debate closer to changing policy?
Am I reaching?
Plus,
Don't like the taste of wine. Never have.
:((
A margarita, though.............
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:39 pmTrueblue, it is so true. I would like to get rid of people like that scumbag Patrick McHenry but the people in his district like mouthbreathers. I am kind of embarassed that every time a story comes out liberals start eating their own.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:40 pmPass the sugar true.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:41 pmA margarita, though………….
Comment by trueblue
I would probably kill for a margarita right about now. :)
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:42 pmSpeaking of liberals eating their own, earlier I saw somebody throwing Feingold under the bus. It is silly.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:42 pm#70
dude i was going to keep chillin dude.
but dude... in the business world mcdonald's in 2'nd rate service
in respect to service to the people
mcdonald's by far provides far superior service to it's customer than
congress provides to serve the people
congress ain't serving we the people at all
not only would congress be fired in the real business world
THE real business world DOES NOT HAVE DRACULA
the real business world don't have a blank check to put us into debt
the real business world ain't holding the highest laws of the land,
the votes contigent on being held open for friggin 5 hours in the
wee wee hours of the morning
the real business world don't pick up trusty telephone to solicit bribes
nor hideaways or $100,000 per plate bribes
it ain't i scratch you and you scratch me with the highest laws of the
land to sc***w the people they serve
as i stated, every single one of this high class criminal class of the highest
house in the land, senate, congress, and every single crony
should be thrown in the friggin slammer.
now referring to hoodlums, of course i'm being humorous, but literally
that's about the quality of service we are getting
IT'S SO DOG GONE CORRUPTED IN THIS CESSPOOL OF POLITICAL
PARASITES, LEECHES, MAGGOTS, TICKS, CHIGGARDS, ROACHES
IT'S ENOUGH TO MAKE EVERY
DEMAND ACCOUNTABLE PUBLIC SERVANTS
DUDE :)
now once again dude, i'm going to try to go back to chillin dude and i ain't
referring to downin nothing intoxicating nor nothing going up, i am completely drug free dude.... can't help i'm so heavenly awesom dude,
but jimbo dude ALWAYS speaks the truth dude in rock solid integrity and
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:45 pmi can't help it i'm ultimate coolness dude....NOW i'm back to chillin dude
Not my sweet Feingold! Why?
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:46 pmI've got it. Let's get rid of all the progressives and jump on the old neaderthal Ron Paul's bandwagon. Get a grip, folks.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:46 pm...with a really good tequila............
oooohhh!
Thanks for your comments, JPark. You rock.
Good night.
Sandman is beating me over the head.....
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:47 pm#71 JPark,
Federal elected officials cannot be recalled. There were some proposals calling for recall elections during the ratification of the Constitution, but they were never adopted. Eighteen states permit the recall of state officials, but there is no provision for recall of federal officials.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 pmSomebody was trashing Feingold saying he has to go unless he somehow (they didn't mention how one Senator could do it) he filibustered this bill. I didn't know one vote was good enough for a filibuster.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:51 pmA different tack must be taken now. Since the Democrats (predictedly) do not have the fortitude to do waht is right and risk being seen as causing a shortage for our troops (whether true or folklore).
The new direction should be to start introducing bills that propose to PAY FOR this endless war. If they vote to extend the war, then they need to figure out how to pay for it. This could be embarassing for the Repubs since they have no practical thought of doing this. Raise taxes to pay for this obscene war and the people will see the folly. (Of course most already have seen through this farce.)
Add this cost say to gas tax and the fictitiously high gas prices that exist and the % against the surge will soar.
By the way, the gas price increase are just to increase profitability. If there were a true shortage, there would be some stations running out of gas. It is not happening. THe plants that are down for maintenance this summer are down PURPOSELY. THere was no emergency maintenance that the refineries needed to be down. The Oil companies have learned the Enron tricks on crating an artificial shortage, inflating prices and selling for ridiculous prices. THe prices will mysteriously fall and plants come back on line magically, just in time to stem windfall profit or regulatory legistation. YOU CAN BANK ON IT!!!
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:51 pm'night, true.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:51 pmWow, no kidding, Exley? Is there any way for a district to get rid of a representative?
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:53 pmdo you know there is a GOOD chance, BOTH
congress and prez are simply serving the bankers
so they can continue giving the central bankers loans
and both parties are happy.
and we the people get shafterd for owning and owing that
debt for eternity
CORRUPT I SAY
TOTALLY
FRIGGIN
CORRUPT
Comment by Jimbo DUDE — May 22, 2007 @ 10:17 pm
Now you're getting it. They are all POLITICIANS and most of them are there for themselves, not for the will of the people.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:54 pmSpeaker Pelosi does need to put impeachment back on the table very soon, very loudly, and very publicly. She needs to make it quite clear that it was taken off the table as a symbol of good faith in the negotiation process. Since the White House has shown only bad faith in all respects since the 110th began it's session, from Iraq, to the US Attorney scandal, to plans towards Iran, such a symbol of good faith must now be destroyed utterly, and never taken off the table again during this administration's end-run.
The Democrats in Congress should then proceed to treat their job like a business negotiator or legal negotiator would. Congress is the one negotiating from a position of strength (they have the support of the majority of the American people). Therefore, their opposition (in this case, the White House) needs to be the first to concede some of their issues in the negotiation. The Democrats should have started out as though they WERE the ones in a position of strength. They should have begun the negotiations with the introduction of a very strict bill, one with clearly defined timelines, no pork unrelated to the Iraq debacle, an incredibly tight and finite budget with no supplementals allowed, and the immediate outlawing of and removal of all mercenaries in Iraq. Let the White House offer the first olive branch, or face such a bill going to vote over and over and over, again, reducing the money and decreasing the deployment times each and every time the WH scoffs and implies they will not negotiate.
By not doing so, the White House was shown a Congress with a weak stance. Now, the WH thinks they are the ones with the stronger stance. The voting public is feeling betrayed. The only way for Pelosi to reverse this perception is to continue to hammer through tougher and tougher bills, not softer bills.
Negotiate from a position of strength, Madame Speaker. STRENGTH!!!
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:56 pm#88 -- JPark
Oy....
The last thing we need is a feeding frenzy of our own.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:57 pm#91 Not to my knowledge, JPark, other than voting them out in the next election, pressuring him or her to resign, or trying to get the entire House to vote to expel the member.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:00 am"Now you’re getting it. They are all POLITICIANS and most of them are there for themselves, not for the will of the people."
Coming from a guy who eats Republican talking points for breakfast this means absolutely nothing.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:02 amExley:
The President is a "federal elected official" -- what are you talking about? Pelosi would no doubt argue that she is not a "civil officer" but keep in mind that one Senator, William Blount, was indeed impeached back in 1798.
That being said, more power to those who think Nancy is no better than the criminals in the White House ; )
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:02 amROFL!!!!!
They're still back to the minimum wage? I guess the Dimocrats forgot about it the last 4 months.
Cut, run, and surrender!
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:03 amJake, you can't recall a president. He is right.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:07 amHere is m12/13, right on time to spout his elitist attitudes.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:08 amA silver lining to assuage your outrage - the "progress" reports. Those should be some real doozies full of bullsh!t rich, thick and bold. PatreusOnTheGround will start it out, followed by the Chimp, reaching a crescendo of crap by DirtySnow.
That's gonna be some Oscar-winning bullsh!t. Set your recorders now.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:08 amSee liberals? This is exactly what the right wing wants. They want you to abandon your elected officials. Just look at m12 (paid troll).
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:10 amSorry, Exley, I thought you were talking about impeaching Pelosi. I think it would be a good idea.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:11 amWhat elitist attitude?
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:11 am#92
i was just about to emphasise that point again, but thanks :)
that's only a theory though, but after kennedy, that national
debt sure soared with that hoodlum reagan, (again just kidding
regarding that, maybe i refer to hoodlum = corruption)
anyhow... we have seen the debt of something like 10 billion
or 100 billion whatever it was EXPLODE to 8 friggin trillion no,
9 trillion.... i certainly refer to that as high class hoodlum activity.
that got a pure blank check and no way our these trusty fast,
smooth talking parasites serving the people at all, i'll bet we
don't get one friggin penny of service for each friggin dollar we pay
for all the wonderful services we all friggin desperately need.
YOU FRIGGIN CAN"T GET THE SERVICE.
Look at what bush did...... raided the lockbox stating it's a bunch
of empty iou's, then runs his motorcade to sell out ss# right to the
bankers..... as i clearly state far superior service at mcdonald's and
obviously we are dealing with CORRUPTION that has gone on for
100 years, but lately dracula became a bunch of wee wee hour
arm twisting YACHTS, or has it always been that way
impeach that criminal, off the table, pelosi not getting involved it's
friggin disgusting, a complete disgrace and a continuation of do nothing
EVEN WORSE..... you do me a favor and guess what :)
i'll be friggin do'in you a favor :) ....
that's right, dracula comes in and the deal is cut... everyone's
happy -
prez
congress/senate
central bankers
and the nice big fat government contracts
and what do we friggin get ?
SC**R*W*E** !!!!!!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:11 amJake,
Blount was indeed impeached, but he argued at his Senate trial that members of Congress are not "civil officers of the United States," and that the Senate had no jurisdiction to try his impeachment. The Senate, by a 14-11 vote, accepted that interpretation.
Blount was acquitted, and no Representative or Senator has ever been impeached since then. The only persons impeached in the 204 years since that case have been two presidents, one cabinet member, and 13 federal judges.
And with that, I bid you all a good night. Time for bed.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:14 amSee liberals? This is exactly what the right wing wants. They want you to abandon your elected officials. Just look at m12 (paid troll).
You've already abandoned our Commander in Chief and the soldiers he commands.
Go ahead and abandon Miss Lame Duck Speaker as well.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:15 am"SC**R*W*E**"?
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:15 amGood night, Exley.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:16 amDemocrats need to get a spine and stop these lunatics. Dems act like it's no big deal, while our country is being destroyed! What is wrong with them!!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:20 amm12, your elitist attitude comes through in your hatred for the working poor.
By the way, I supported Bush attacking Afghanistan. And then he pulled out. He abandoned the American people by attacking a country he didn't need to attack. In the immortal words of Pat Tillman..."it is f^cking illegal". Sorry, moron12, I am loyal to those that deserve it.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:23 amAnyone notice the Dems went into hiding the past couple of weeks on the various talk shows? And then we get this ugly immigration bill that is supposed to distract us from this blank check deal.
I was pleased to see Murtha and Murphy were not giggling with Pelosi and those cave ins at this press conference. Murtha was likely at Walter Reed crying and saying he will continue the fight.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:23 amSPARROWLESS (new Pirates movie opens everywhere Friday)?
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:23 am#108 somebody has to pay off what amounts to what i understand
is really not 9 trillion dollars national debt but really something like
50 - 60 trillions
who do you think is going to pay that?
again only theory, but one thing for sure is there is no such thing
as inflation nor interest, i mean there is, but lets just say
it's all bought out and totally corrupted dude
far superior service at mcdonalds and mcdonalds doesn't
expect or demand you leave a extra $100 or 1000 when you
leave
but our nice, rock solid integrity trusty servants don't give it
a 2'nd that to the tune of something like $50 - 100,000
we don't even know dude..... all those books are totally cooked
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:23 amso all that will be left of this country will be a bunch of ashes that
will blow away..... how's that for service to the people dude :)
Ruby:
IMPEACH PELOSI!!!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:25 am#111
How exactly do I hate the working poor?
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:28 amsomebody has to pay off what amounts to what i understand
is really not 9 trillion dollars national debt but really something like
50 - 60 trillions
That $50-60 trillion is future Medicare/Social Security Liabilities, created by your heroes FDR and Lyndon Johnson.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:30 amnow i may be exagerrating this, but what accountability is there?
I remember reagan babbling on about the sealed lock box and
what does he do? Nixon was a outright criminal, Bush consistently
challenging the constitution, the dept of justice is so dog gone rigged,
wolfowitz, look at the disaster of the 109th.
Absolutely.... what kind of accountability are we getting, most
accountable congress ever, and pelosi doesn't get involved
and favors for the prez and prez will do some scractching back too.
as i stated......... FAR FAR superior service at mcdonald's, literally
a third rate restraunt identity and it's like a palace of accountibility
dude compared to the grease pits if you know what i mean :)
and yes, i guess what's left of this country will blow away in the
wind :) .... or at the rate it's going somebody may be found after
the glaciers decimate all land under water :)
as i stated.... far better service at mcdonalds and WE get the grease pits
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:33 amHow exactly do I hate the working poor?
Comment by m12
Stop trying to derail this thread. We went over this the other day.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:37 amWith regards to Beefeater's question? Should NOT? ...Shouldn't Pelosi be impeached? Pelosi will be judge at election time. It's the peoples job to get involved and change what we don't like about the system now. If we don't like it, then change it. I spend at least an hour night writing emails to those people that would change thier vote if enough pressure was put on them. I'm hoping I'm making a difference. If TP were true to the progressive movement they would send this blog to Leon Pinetta. It would reach the right people.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:42 amHey Zoo, whoop'n some Troll butt tonight?
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:45 amHey Zoo, whoop’n some Troll butt tonight?
Comment by JTitor
Oy, not so much.
I'm heading off to bed. You can take the next shift. :)
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:52 am#118, J-DUDE, That will never happen without certain criteria (the accountability thing):
1) Separation of Money and State. This is the single most important reform this country could hope to see in it's modern history. Like the Separation of Church and State, this protects all but those who wish to game the system, and pervert it. Political capital should be measured in the number of voters you or your lobby represents, period. No money, no favors, no special dinners or trips or parties. Such a separation includes within it campaign finance reform, the Fairness Doctrine and other important works this country desperately needs to function as the Founding Fathers intended. The penalties for accepting such bribes (and they shall be called BRIBES, for crying out loud, for that is what they are!) would be severe, with removal from office as the most common punishment in the case of elected officials, and firing the most common punishment for non-elected officials. Foreign interests can go through the diplomatic routes, since they don't have any political capital in such a model.
2) A reversal of the current power of observation. That is to say, rather than our government being allowed to spy on us, We the People should be allowed to "spy" on our government. If you are anywhere in a public building that doesn't requite security clearance, you are on camera, and on audio, and the entire public can see and hear everything you do. If your job requires security clearance, while in are in such areas, everyone else with that same or better clearance can watch you, as can watchdog groups of private citizens with security clearance. The moment an e-mail is sent through non-secure channels, it is public domain. The first thing done to a new piece of paperwork, be it an official document or an internal document, it is scanned into the database and put in the public domain. You don't like it, don't take a government job. (Please note: This does not mean that agencies like the CIA and the like cannot do their job, since their entire organization has security clearance the rules are a bit different. But in those cases, they need their own sets of internal checks and balances). Whistleblower protections need to be very powerful to go hand-in-hand with this.
Without those two things, our Republic will continue to be vulnerable to a slew of differing levels of corruption. Nothing will stamp out corruption, but limiting money's corrupting influence and drastically stepping up the level of transparency, Rome will fall again.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:57 amGrr, that last sentence should say:
"...but without limiting money's corrupting influence..."
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:05 amCrap, Captain Video, realism...thanks. We could always vote for Ron Paul and fix everything. You know, he is the next messiah, right?
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:40 amCaptainVideo, giving Bush the precise, clean bill he wants (hell, he can have the White House write it, even!), then voting it down is a viable option. Giving Bush what he wants and voting it in, ON PURPOSE, by a tiny margin, sends a horrible message to the voters and the White House alike. Bush must be made to understand that he answers to two other branches of government, and We the People, not to his little group of the "have and the have-mores". Vote down what he wants every week for the next 6 months, until he finally negotiates up to what We the People want, not He the Petulant wants.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:40 amWhy are the Democrats afraid of a president with 30% approval rating?
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:41 amSOMETHING IS FISHY!!!
I hope something is fishy IdahoMoe. It is almost impossible for Dems to pull a black op because of the political knowledge of their followers. Reps can do it left and right because their people will swallow whatever they are told.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:55 amThe Dems are afraid of Bush because he will get on his bully pulpit and tell Americans that bin Laden is determined to kill their children. In other words Boo! And the American people will say please do whatever is necessary to save us, Mr. AWOL and Mr. Five Deferment Cheney. The great almighty bin Laden is going to destroy us all with his washing machine parts and a 55 gallon drum of chlorine.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:39 amIraq attacks kill 9 U.S. troops
AP - 3 minutes ago
3431 Total
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:59 amIran, Iraq coordinating in OPEC to control price of oil: Iraqi minister
Tehran Times Political Desk
TEHRAN - There is continuous coordination between Iran and Iraq in OPEC to control the price of oil, Iraqi Oil Minister Hussein Shahristani said in an interview with the Mehr News Agency on Tuesday.
There is a satisfactory level of cooperation in the field of oil between the neighboring Muslim countries of Iran and Iraq, both of which enjoy rich petroleum reserves, Shahristani added.
“Iranians are interested in importing Iraqi petroleum for the Abadan petroleum refinery, and they have also asked us to supply the Kermanshah refinery,†he noted.
May 23rd, 2007 at 8:01 amSo Nancy Pelosi wants to bake a cake and eat it too. She cuts a deal with Bush on Iraq, selling out Democrats nationwide, but then walks away saying she will not vote for it personally. She intends to do nothing to stop Blue Dog Democrats voting for it, so reeks of hypocrisy.
May 23rd, 2007 at 8:31 amNancy, not voting for it isn't enough. Remember the 70% of the people who are tired of seeing young soldiers return in coffins? We want the war ended. That means NO SPENDING BILL without withdrawal.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:30 amNOW Iraq WILL become Vietnam. Look for upwards of a quarter of a million troops sent into perhaps a decade of senseless slaughter. Incumbents of BOTH parties are protected by gerrymandering—WE the PEOPLE are stuck with people.
We need to END GERRYMANDERING so we can VOTE OUT OFFICIALS who DEFY THE CONSTITUTION AND THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
Here's an idea...perhaps for moveon.org to promote: WE THE PEOPLE withhold a total of $120 billion from our taxes...because WE didn't authorize this spending bill. In fact, we voted out the Democrats to end the war. They failed. We won't go along. Let the politicians send THEIR CHILDREN to DEATH and PAY FOR IT with THEIR MONEY.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:34 amPelosi and Obey can't spin their way out of this.
It was bad enough that their timetable was toothless in the first place.
Now they have given up even the pretense of trying to end the war.
Their public statements mean nothing if they aren't backed up by actions.
It is time to GO TO your reps LOCAL OFFICES and start asking uncomfortable questions.
Don't make an appointment or dress up, just show up and ask a couple of questions:
When will you end the war?When will you impeach Bush?
You don't have to yell or argue, but when the staffer finishes handing you a hatful of bullshit, simply say, "Do you believe that yourself?"
Our system is profoundly broken when we have to scream and stamp our feet to get our elected representatives to actually represent us. Before we can fix it, we need to make these steaming sacks of shit in neckties fear us more than Wall Street or the corporations whose boards they hope to sit on when they leave Congress.
Find their office and go.
FIND YOUR REPRESENTATIVE
FIND YOUR SENATOR
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:51 amI'm SHOCKED!!!!!There's spinelessness and pandering going on in the Democrat House??? The architects of the politicization of the war, Emmanuel and Reid, thought no further than gaining power? Who knew??
IF we give the surge and the Iraqi government a chance to squelch this sectarian mess, improvement may occur. If NOT, we can pull out with the knowledge we gave the Iraqis every opportunity to improve their situation and they were unable to do so. If so, their religious and cultural differences failed to advance into the 21st century.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:14 amDemocratic Presidential Candidates take heed. There are A LOT of rank and file party members - like me - who WILL NOT vote for ANYONE who votes FOR, or supports, this watered down piece of crap legislation.
The Democratic Party was swept into power in 2006 by PEOPLE LIKE ME for the sole purpose of STANDING UP to Bush. If we had wanted another "rubber stamp" Congress, we would have left the GOP in charge.
Its time to KICK Bush's ass, not kiss it.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:15 amDear Krash - Better wake up - the Dem Party has been neutered......the goal was NOT ending the war (with the exception of Feingold, Murtha, etc.) -- The goal was the attainment of POWER.....
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:20 amNancy Pelosi is too busy getting her husband Paul the 25 million dollars from her latest bill that was voted on in the middle of the night. Next a nice vacation Europe while things calm down.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:38 am#120
I'm not derailing anything. The minimum wage is part of the bill, so it is up for discussion.
It's been 5 months. Why haven't the Dims passed the minimum wage hike to help the working poor?
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:42 amnice...good for her.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:55 amVOTING "NO" IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH
BECAUSE VOTING NO ENSURES PASSAGE
LET THE REPUBLICRATS KNOW WE'VE HAD IT WITH THEIR ANTICS
FILIBUSTER THE IRAQ SPENDING BILL
ALL IT TAKES IS ONE BRAVE SENATOR
(sorry for screaming but I can't believe I'm watching the Democrats cave, in grand fashion, to a President with a 28% approval rating.)
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:33 pmProf - SmartA$$ - I loved your poem!!! The only literary problem I detect is the lack of realism - - Harry Reid - a "Colonel"?? Puhleeeze.......Keeping the powder dry??? Anti-war Dems are famous for protecting themselves at all costs. They would sell "grandma" to avoid sometimes necessary confrontation. Dems have been weak and spineless in terms of security and surveillance ..... No need to apologize - - National Security has never been the strong suit of Progs and Dems....(since JFK).
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:33 pmHillary, if you filibuster this bill, I'll even vote for you.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:34 pmMy wife and I are vets. We are both disabled with MS and are living on a fixed income. We are struggling to raise three children at home in poverty. Illness has brought us low. They took away my medical care so I can't see a doctor any longer or take the meds I need for MS and high blood pressure.
NONE OF THIS, none of my problems are as important as ending the Iraq occupation, restoring constitutional order, having impeachment on the table and stopping war with Iran.
Don't continue the occupation just to try and get some domestic policy victory. Don't sacrifice one for the other.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:56 pmSo what is she saying?
I voted for the Iraq spending bill, before I voted against it"
ROTFL, Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
My God this is the worst congress ever.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:01 pmI just sent this brief email to Pelosi.
Madam Speaker;
Count me among the many (and growing rapidly) voting taxpaying american citizens that are pissed off at the constant caving in to the executive branch. We are tired of watching you all bend over and take it. I guess such bending is easy without a spine. This is not what the election of '06 was meant to convey. The war is illegal. The perpetrators are war criminals. And the democrats are aiding and abetting a criminal act. How do you sleep at night?
No more illegal war, and impeach the criminals running our government. It is your constitutional duty. When the Attorney General commits perjury and is not impeached, when the president ADMITS to breaking the law (FISA unauthorized wiretaps) and boasts that he will continue to do so??? Is that not grounds enough for impeachment? What will it take? Oral sex from an intern?
We deserve better!
An angry Floridian
At least I feel better, but really, does she give a shit?
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:05 pm"At least I feel better, but really, does she give a shit?"Comment by Funky
In a word - - "NO" - Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid could care less about your concern - POWER is the name of the game - and they got that.....
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:49 pmDO NOT EMAIL THEM-instead create recall petitions & strike while the iron is hot! Do not take to the streets, do what works & hold special recall elections-now! Arnie. gov. of CA did this & Gray Davis was thrown out of office, do this for the good of the people instead of what Arnie did, nothing less will change course.
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:50 pmRahm Emanuel, et al, are just full of it ! Untrustworthy, double speaking hypocrites. And, Speaker Pelosi is sitting right there on the edge. She should have forcefully stated that she did not support the removal of the timetable for withdrawal in the Bill. Feingold and John Edwards seem to be today's sole heros.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:09 pmI finally found this link to Speaker Pelosi's incredulous doubletalk on the Iraq Bill which I heard flabbergasted this morning on Air America. Speaker Pelosi stumbles -- inarticulately at times -- through her comments and then reverses direction midstream starting with her disinclination to vote for an Iraq Bill without timelines, going on to praise the brilliance of this ploy, and then giving herself good cause to vote for it. I feel violated. It's beginning to look like Democrats missed the magic opportunity to turn things around and are well on their way back to the trough of corruption from whence Newt Gingrich, et al., extricated them in 1994.
It's time to follow Senator Mike Gravel's lead with legislation to declare an end to the Iraq conflict, not micromanage through funding. It's also time to start impeachment proceedings against select persons amongst the many people in the executive branch guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors. Look, if we have to suffer our wealth, security, and future for Congress' ratification of the ruination of this country and world, we might as well try to cut our losses by running you folks out of office. Or leave.
What liars and whores.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:08 amAs the descent of America to a second rate nation continues, once again we are disappointed by the leadership who promised to make a significant difference. The spin and the illusions once again take precedence over substance. The Democrats again fail to understand what true leadership is and back down to the sick and maniacal Bush. The majority of leaders in Congress are simply spineless.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:55 amAre these, s called Representatives cave-in artists at work or 'Pug-light wannabes?
In any case the tune is lousy and the footwork is no better, this Pelosi/Reid two step show is a crash. Better to cancel it now: Recall/Reelect/force them to resign--whatever it takes to get them gone.
Better to have 10 true Reps than 100 "betrayers".
With a Congress that responds to the 'will of the people' the vocal acknowledgement of the illegal/immorality of this administration in domestic as well as foreign affairs would be made and Impeachment would be 'on the table, under the table or on the floor'-not in the lock box with the filibuster.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:34 pm