ThinkFast: May 22, 2007
ThinkFast: May 22, 2007
Iraq’s military is drawing up plans on how to respond if the U.S. military withdraws its forces. “The army plans on the basis of a worst-case scenario so as not to allow any security vacuum,” Iraqi Defense Minister Abdul-Qader al-Obeidi said. “There are meetings with political leaders on how we can deal with a sudden pullout.”
$3.22 per gallon: The average price for regular unleaded gasoline, matching the record set in 1981. “Gasoline prices have rocketed $1.05 a gallon since the beginning of February and are up 33 cents from a year ago.”
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) discussed the possibility of switching parties, adding, “I hope the moment doesn’t come that I feel so separated.” Asked what actions might cause such a break, he invoked Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart’s famous 1964 definition of pornography: “I’ll know it when I see it.”
Lt. Gen. William Boykin, “who led the Pentagon’s effort to hunt down Osama bin Laden and once likened the war on terror to a Christian struggle against Satan,” is retiring.
“At least 27 American citizens, including five U.S. servicemen and 22 private businessmen and contractors, are being held hostage by militant groups worldwide. … Nineteen of the Americans held hostage are in Iraq.”
The New York Times writes, “As more and more workers who inhaled the dust at ground zero fall ill, it has become increasingly clear that much of the problem can be traced to the Giuliani administration’s failure to insist that all emergency personnel and construction workers at the site wear respirators.”
At least 11 species of butterflies are “making their earliest recorded appearances this spring” in Great Britain, “in what will be seen as the most remarkable demonstration yet of the effects of climate change on Britain’s wildlife.” A new report also finds that “rates of carbon dioxide emission from industrial sources increased from 2000 to 2004 ‘at a rate that is over three times the rate during the 1990s.’”
“Despite a grueling pre-recess schedule, Senate Democrats may still press forward with plans to hold an unprecedented no-confidence vote at the end of this week on Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. But a crowded legislative calendar, plus likely opposition from Republicans, could thwart their plans and delay a vote until after Memorial Day.”
And finally: Even lawmakers need distractions. During a House debate on Thursday, Rep. Ike Skelton (D-MO) was “waxing eloquent” on the “motion to recommit on the defense authorization bill.” Sitting right behind Skelton was Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), who nodded off “for several minutes in full view of the cameras.” Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) was also caught “signing letters on his official stationery” during yesterday’s immigration debate.
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May 22nd, 2007 at 9:12 amThat’s it Lieberman. Come to the light. We’ll use you like the pawn you already are.
Shock and Awe!!
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:14 amJoe Lieberman is threatening to switch parties?? Look at your voting record Joe. You already have. When he makes it official I hope the wise people of Connecticut who supported this turncoat demand a recall election. What a waste of protoplasm this little glob of pond scum really is.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:15 amHang in there jonny, we’ll be by to pump you out by noon.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:16 amI hope the push Lieberman’s sorry ass over to the Rethug party. Either way, I’ll bet Connecticut dumps him in the next cycle, regardless of his party affiliation. He’s a freekin’ Neocon war monger and a whiner.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:16 amSen. Joe Lieberman (Israel-CT) “I’ll know it when I see it.â€
We knew it when we saw it, too, Joe. We knew you were an inept, lying, speak out of both sides of mouth type of guy, Joe, when you accepted RNC funds while running as a Democrat.
Why don’t you just move to Israel and become a freedom fighter? You talk big for a little shit, just like Abu G. Do you have any idea how much you’re despised as an undercover agent for anit-American interests?
Do you?!
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:17 amLieberman as an Independent seems appropriate since he can’t figure out which will fill his campaign chest more. A politician without a party and a man without a country.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:18 amI’m guessing the repubs won’t let Lieberman switch. They’re trying to pin the war on Democrats and if Lieberman switches, that’ll be very hard to do. Repubs would be front and center again with the war and they don’t want that. They’d rather snipe at Democrats until ‘08.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:19 amMaybe Joe wouldn’t feel so “separated” if he stopped raising $ for the GOP.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:19 amBen Dover
Look at your voting record Joe. You already have.
Except for his military votes I thought he had a very liberal voting record.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:20 amSen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) discussed the possibility of switching parties, adding, “I hope the moment doesn’t come that I feel so separated.â€
Yeah it must be lonely being the only DINO with rugburns on your knees from giving fellatio to the king. Can I say that on here? Oh wait a minute, you had to run as an ‘independent’ to keep your seat so you didn’t lose your place in line with all those locksteppin Republics. You would do that, wouldn’t you ya traitor? If it looks like our ‘beloved’ emperor Bush is getting too close to trouble for comfort, you’d put a screeching halt to it…cover it up all over again!
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:20 am$3.22 per gallon: The average price for regular unleaded gasoline, matching the record set in 1981.
And why exactly is gas so expensive? I heard on NPR the other day that Oil prices had spiked because U.S. refineries were underproducing. Is this by accident or design?
We’re being bled completely dry. Already, the economy is suffering as a direct result of these ridiculously high gas prices, but there’s no relief in sight. Given the unsustainability of the current situation, it makes you wonder exactly what this administration is planning for its citizens…
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:22 amSo the Iraqis are planning for a contingency that’ll never happen, what with a US “embassy” the size of the frikkin Vatican and permanent US bases. Talk about a waste of planning time!
What’s he BUILDING in there? So some shit DID get built and built well in Iraq. It just wasn’t to the benefit of the Iraqis. Imagine how many schools we coulda painted for all that base-building dough.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:23 ameat sh!t Lieberman! traitor to your country and the human race… a complete waste of a soul is what you are
and all the so called ‘dems’ in CT should forever be shamed
christ i hate that fuker
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:25 amSitting right behind Skelton was Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), who nodded off “for several minutes in full view of the cameras.â€
At least he was in attendance… McCain hasn’t sat in the Senate since… how long?
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:26 am#10 . You are right. My focus is on Iraqnam. During the 2006 campaign Joe said all the right things regarding Iraq – anything to ward off Ned Lamont. Then once he was elected his true pro war colors came out. To me Joe Lieberman’s identity is his pro-war stance. All the other things he’s done seem to pale in comparison to what he has now become.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:26 amGiven the unsustainability of the current situation, it makes you wonder exactly what this administration is planning for its citizens…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Tripmaster….this administration is planning on another $40 billion after tax profit for British Petroleum and its planning to continue its strong support of Haliburton and its after tax profits. Nothing has changed in the administrations goals in the last 6 years.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:28 amAt least 27 American citizens, including five U.S. servicemen and 22 private businessmen and contractors, are being held hostage by militant groups worldwide. … Nineteen of the Americans held hostage are in Iraq.â€
Any stats on hostage situations BEFORE the US launched this ‘war on terror’ I mean if the number is that high now it must have been sooooo much worse before King Dub’s efforts were set into action… right… RIGHT?!
/snark
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:29 amLIE-berman ought to be run out of town on a rail. Literally.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:29 amit makes you wonder exactly what this administration is planning for its citizens
…with all the food scares, maybe a mass poisoning? I know this adminstration has at least a couple of big tricks up their sleeves for a big finale. Of course, they started out big (9/11) —
what’s next?
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:29 amLt. Gen. William Boykin, “who led the Pentagon’s effort to hunt down Osama bin Laden and once likened the war on terror to a Christian struggle against Satan,†is retiring.
Congratulations on a job not done!
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:31 amSen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) discussed the possibility of switching parties
I believe this is the real reason behind the Democrats reluctance to do anything of real consequence to the Bush Administration. If Bolting Joe switches officially, then the Democrats no longer hold a majority in the Senate, putting a quick end to all Senate oversight of the Bush Administration.
Thank you, Connecticut, for electing an “Independent” who ran with Republican funding, and votes Republican, over the Democratic challenger. Anybody here from Connecticut care to stand up for Joe?
But, you know what? If the Democrats truly have their eyes set on ‘08, they should pursue an aggressive agenda against the Bush Administration. Cut funding for the War and Impeach the lot of them. If Joe switches, and gives the Senate back to the Republicans, so be it. He can go down in history with the likes of Benedict Arnold.
Why the hell the Democrats are pandering to only 28% of the population is beyond me.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:34 amDid the U.N. cease to exist? Why isn’t anyone talking about UN Peacekeepers?
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:37 amMay LIEberman can join the ranks of the Repukes after the next shadow gov’t created next 9/11 —
During the 1st 9/11 Chimpy’s approval rating was 90%. Now it’s below his knees : 28%.
So, when the country rallies around Chimpy a 2nd time — LIEberman will be right with the Repukes.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:40 amDid the U.N. cease to exist? Why isn’t anyone talking about UN Peacekeepers?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
The what? G-8 decides what is good or bad for this planet.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 amBen Dover
You are right. My focus is on Iraqnam.
So all it means to be a democrat is to be anti-war? Nothing else matters?
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 amSo, the insurgents have American hostages. I hope they willl abide by the Geneva conventions like the U.S. does when we…
Oh. Forget it.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:43 amGood Morning BnF and all…..The dem’s like the rep’s are all doing the same thing….Thinking of themselves, their seat’s and the ongoing run for election’s forever. It’s money and power, neither group want’s to give it up for the people, our country or the world…..It’s all money honey….Blessings
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:44 amSo, when the country rallies around Chimpy a 2nd time — LIEberman will be right with the Repukes.
Comment by Kay — May 22, 2007 @ 9:40 am
They can’t afford another domestic attack. Too much has been hung on “Seeeee…. Herr Bush protected you for 6 whole years.”
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:45 amWhat’s he BUILDING in there?
Comment by OleHippieChick
Stop stealing my lines!
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:46 amLt. Gen. William Boykin, “who led the Pentagon’s effort to hunt down Osama bin Laden and once likened the war on terror to a Christian struggle against Satan,†is retiring.
So is it like, Satan 23, Christians 0? or what.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:47 amJuan C
Dude, you had me pegged almost perfectly last night. But it’s not all serious conversations that disrupt, only most of them. Things like education reform, constitutional issues, welfare reform, immigration and a few others I actually like to have real conversations on.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:47 amI posted this last night. I think it is worth repeating.
Check this link.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:47 amBush Planning Another Surge
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 amChokin’ Joe Lieberman says he might have to switch parties. He’s worried he might have to go back to the Democrats?
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:49 am;-) Couldn’t help it, TomWaits – your tune is so fittingly sinister, it’s a vertiable soundtrack for bu$hCo!
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:52 amOops, that’s “veritable.”
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:52 amSqueegee…
Heh.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:55 amThis whole Lieberman thing brings two questions to mind:
1) Even if Lieberman switches parties, doesn’t the Senate remain technically in Democrat hands until 08? I mean, all the Senate leadership roles have already been set, the Senate has chosen its committees, and I want to think that swapping that all around is non-trivial.
2) Even if it does swap, wouldn’t this be a good thing for us? Another 33 Senators are up for reelection in 08, as is the presidency. Having a Republican owned Senate and the war in Iraq continuing up to the election HAS to be good for getting anti-war candidates (likely Democrats, maybe even 3rd Parties) into those positions.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:56 amTraitor Joe Lieberman can officially change to a GOPer today, because he is already one of their agents. Bye Joe and welcome to the Dark Side of the force and eventual eternity in Hell.
May 22nd, 2007 at 9:58 amLieberman is a scumbag who only got reelected because the GOP threw its money behind his campaign.
Switch already, slimy little jerk. Who cares if it gives a (slim) majority in the Senate (including Darth Vader’s tiebreak vote). The Dems are a majority in the House where most of the hell-raising takes place anyway.
When is Reid going to strip that traitor from his chairmanship?
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 amJeremy
Even if Lieberman switches parties, doesn’t the Senate remain technically in Democrat hands until 08?
Nope, it’ll go back to R control, look at when Jeffords switched sides in May 2001 it swung from R to D control.
Even if it does swap, wouldn’t this be a good thing for us?
If you guys play the media properly then it could help in the next election. By being the opposition party, you can blame anything that fails to happen on the party in power.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 am#26. Whatever
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:00 amKay sez:
A mass poisoning or mass dispersal of a biological agent wouldn’t surprise me in the least, unfortunately. It’s already common knowledge that our city’s resivoirs are virtually unguarded, and compromising the water supply would certainly produce the requisite amount of fear. One need only look to the anthrax scare to know this, and one need only consider that the anthrax used in that scare was a highly weaponized form that can only be created by a proprietary U.S. process to know that our administration is capable of this act (as if 9/11 wasn’t enough proof).
Whatever form it takes, I have no doubt that it will happen. The people in power can only retain power through constantly frightening the populace into meek submission.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:04 amRE: Amerikan hostages from above link:
But 4000 troops are scrambling, desperately seeking the 3 missing troops. Are they more than a tad afraid the 3 will be tortured, and there’s no basis for complaint because of bu$hler taking the moral low ground? The reap-what-you-sow factor rears its ugly, panicked head.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:05 amIf Lieberman switched, then the Senate would still have Harry Reid as Majority Leader, but Darth Dicky Cheney would be the tie breaker for the GOPers.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:07 amThank’s for the link Juan C..A good read….Blessings
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:12 amOf course Joe Leiberman should join the Republican Party. I mean, why be the one loser in your own party of one, when you can be accepted with welcoming arms into the entire Republican Party of Losers. Like attracts like. Smoochie smoochie.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:16 amSharon. Thanks to you. Always.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:17 amGood read here today:
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:18 amhttp://ejectejecteject.com/
So Kay thinks the admin directed the 9/11 attacks?
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:18 amRecall Provision For Constitution
22nd of May 2007
by Jay Randal
The biggest flaw in the US Constitution is no provision to recall elected officials, so no ability by the people to remove anyone who abuses power in any federal office.
In most parliamentary democracies there is provision to have a vote of “No Confidence” in the government, so forcing Prime Minister to prove support in election.
But in the United States the only means to remove an elected federal office holder is by impeachment, which requires 2/3 {67 votes} of Senate to convict to remove.
President Richard Nixon was forced to resign in 1974, because he feared 67 Senators would vote to impeach him, so he negotiated deal to resign and get immunity.
Some States, such as California, have recall provision to remove a bad Governor, by a special recall election, and Gov. Gray Davis was removed by recall in 2003.
President George Bush would already be gone, if we the people had ‘recall provision’ to remove him from office, but unfortunately only Congress can impeach.
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
PS: Contact Reps & Senators in DC to demand impeachment of Bush.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:19 amJay, that’s right. The Senate would be split 50/50 if Joey Lieberman acknowledges that he’s a Republican. Which makes Mr. C’s tie-breaking vote more important, but which might keep him in Washington a lot more.
But Lieberman would give up his committee chair and he would no longer be courted like the only woman at the biggest port of call on the East coast. Since he’s obstructing his oversight committee from practicing oversight, no bad thing. Dems still rule unless someone else crosses the floor.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:25 amTripMaster Monkey,
The “underproducing refineries” line is the typical Conserv666ative lie used to prop up price gouging.
It works like this: Become the majority in Congress, then deregulate the commodities (oil, natural gas, etc.) market under the auspice’s of “increased competition” and then rake in the bucks by buying and selling to your friends.
It’s the same with land parcels that get cut up for development in the burbs. What used to be $300 an acre is now $5000 an acre because unscrupulous “businessmen” churn the price by repeatedly buying and selling the same parcels among themselves to drive the price up.
But back to energy prices; I had this debate with one of my many many Conserv666ative Texas friends here in Dallas last year. Texas started “deregulation” of electrical power a couple of years back and I remember thinking that the f*cking was going to start soon as “deregulation” inevitably seems to mean price manipulation. Well my buddy told me I was wrong and parroted the Republic666an party line associated with such concerns and told me that prices were rising because there was not enough power production, primarily my young friend told me because of the Liberals and their onerous environmental policies dissuaded investors from building new plants. I told my young friend he was deluded, he begged to differ.
I then pointed out that we had had rolling blackouts in Dallas last year and challenged him to remember a time when that had ever happened in the past. I made my point that the same thing occurred in California from price manipulation and that it was now happening in Dallas as a result of the ever popular “deregulation” as a means to selling a lie. My young friend told me to supply evidence of my theory, an oft used ploy by Conserv666atives and I replied that if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck…
This spring we discovered that TXU, the largest supplier of electricity in the state of Teaxs manipulated prices last year, and that they were going to get such a pinch.
My young friend doesn’t talk politics much any more, though he is still a loyal Republic666an.
IT IS PRICE MANIPULATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remind me to tell you about another good Republic666an friend of mine who became a millionaire, literally from gas. He retired as a Firefighter as I am but his wife works for an energy company here in Dallas that made in excess of 6 Billion last year.
WAKE UP PEOPLE! ITS NOT EVEN DEBATABLE, WE ARE BEING SCAMMED AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND LEFT ASKING “IS THIS SUPPLY AND DEMAND”….NO IT’S NOT AND WE SHOULD BE OUTRAGED.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:26 amSo Kay thinks the admin directed the 9/11 attacks?
Comment by Wilco
I still dont know what is so hard for some people to understand that governments, anyone, only care about economic interests. They just keep the masses asleep so corporations can do whatever profit they seem fit. Having said this, I still dont know why people would find so utterly CRAZY that a government pulls out an action against its own people. If something has been shown in this planet is that governments do that ALL THE TIME, probably not in the form of planes, but in the form of the destruction of social programs, restrictions against the population and sometimes false flag operations. This is not new, this is not crazy, it is a possibility. What would be the surprise if the US government pulled out 9/11? For us that live outside the US and are not targets of such misleading propaganda and indoctrination, NONE.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:26 amJay
The biggest flaw in the US Constitution is no provision to recall elected officials
It’s not a flaw, it’s a strength. It allows elected officials to go against the popular will to do what is necessary. If they do something that makes them unworthy of office they can always be impeached. Assuming the other elected officials have the moral character to do it.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:27 amJay, I think your argument is fundamentally flawed. There may be no recall vote provision in the Constitution, but impeachment operates as such. The people (Congress) can kick the president out of office.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:32 amIf you are arguing in favor of “the people” as in the masses, then no, that’s not part of the Constitution. That’s why it allows for elected representatives. The trick, then, is to get them to do their jobs as you see their jobs to be. If Congress really is to be the representatives of the people, then it makes sense that there is no real attempt to impeach the Pres, as only 30-some% of america is in favor of this. These would be the liberals, progressives, etc who follow politics. Most of America doesn’t care. One of the greatest achievements of this admin is the proliferation of the belief that there is no right or wrong, there is always two sides. Truth is rendered relative. The public buys into this. At the least, people just don’t know who to believe.
That is the state of american politics.
Sure, everyone on this site (cept trolls) will agree the admin deserves impeachment, although there may be argument whether it’s a good idea. But leave this site, talk to your neighbors, and you find sadly few who support impeachment.
But it’s the job of our duly elected officials to kick the guys out. It’s our right as citizens to pressure our congressmen into supporting impeachment, and if it doesn’t work, we have the right to vote in someone who will.
squegeebooo,
Big assumption there.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:33 am#54
Juan also believes the moon landing was faked.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:52 amA security vacuum? I thought Bush was planning on sending double the amount of troops over there? Does anyone really know whats going on?
Curious? Check out Christopher Ruddy
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:57 amSo all it means to be a democrat is to be anti-war? Nothing else matters?
Comment by squegeebooo
Squiggy, look this word up PRIORITY.
May 22nd, 2007 at 10:59 amShane
Squiggy, look this word up PRIORITY.
So being anti-war out weighs every other value combined in the democratic party?
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:05 amExley, I have a cousin who believes there are alien hotels on the moon because he’s seen photos of them on the internet
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:05 am“What did we miss?”
You missed a thought-provoking op-ed by Democrat and former senator Bob Kerrey today:
“The critics who bother me the most are those who ordinarily would not be on the side of supporting dictatorships, who are arguing today that only military intervention can prevent the genocide of Darfur, or who argued yesterday for military intervention in Bosnia, Somalia and Rwanda to ease the sectarian violence that was tearing those places apart …
American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it. Al Qaeda in particular has targeted for abduction and murder those who are essential to a functioning democracy: school teachers, aid workers, private contractors working to rebuild Iraq’s infrastructure, police officers and anyone who cooperates with the Iraqi government.”
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:05 amShane,
To some, war is THE priority. You know those terrists and all. To hell with middle America.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:07 amSo Kay thinks the admin directed the 9/11 attacks?
Comment by Wilco
Many people think that. Can you believe anything this Administration tells you at face value? Look at Gonzo.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:07 amJuan also believes the moon landing was faked.
Comment by Exley
And he believes you’re an idiot so he’s correct at least 50% of the time.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:10 amSo being anti-war out weighs every other value combined in the democratic party?
Comment by squegeebooo
To most progressives on this site at this point in time. Here’s another word OBVIOUS.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:12 am#64
“Many crazy and paranoid people think that.”
There…I fixed it.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:12 amSo, Shane, you believe the moon landing was faked too…..Wow.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:13 amTo some, war is THE priority. You know those terrists and all. To hell with middle America.
Comment by Rocks911
Of course Repukes think their priorities are more important than ours. Self-centered, egomaniacal babies.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:13 amI completely understand not trusting the admin, but to believe the opposite of whatever they say?
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:15 amThat they would murder innocents like that to start a couple wars?
I find that more difficult to believe than the accepted history of it.
Comment by Exley
Many crazy and paranoid people think that the administration doesn’t lie.
There…I fixed it, I’m sure you just didn’t finish your sentence.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:17 am$3.22 a gallon? I wish. Where I live it is already at $3.48. This means it will be $4.00 end of June…I gonna have to sell my Sea Doo :( Oh well, the thing wasn’t environmentally friendly anyway..
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:18 amSo, Shane, you believe the moon landing was faked too…..Wow.
Comment by Exley
I’ll try to write simpler sentences so you can understand better, OKAY EXLEY. You do understand what simple means I hope since it’s your middle name.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:20 amI thought his middle name was Danger. Or am I thinking of someone else
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:22 amWilco sez:
As I’ve said before, the dishonesty and duplicity of this administration has become so overwhelming that the most efficient course of action is to assume everything they say is a lie, until it is independently corroborated.
Cynical, but in these times cynicism serves far better than blind faith.
I’m certain you do, Wilco…no normal person wants to believe that their own government would be capable of such an act. Unfortunately, a quick perusal of history demonstrates quite conclusively that false-flag attacks are far from rare.
But don’t take my word for it. Do your own research. Dig deep enough, and what you find will shock you. I understand that you would much rather cling to the belief that our government is better than that…that they are the “good guys”. I myself clung to that belief for quite a while. But the time has come to dispense with illusion and be honest with yourself.
Do the research. Think for yourself. There’s a wealth of information out there…you just have to be courageous enough to look at it.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:37 amThere’s a wealth of information out there…you just have to be courageous enough to look at it.
That has been debunked… even ‘Scientific America’ took a bunch of it to task finally.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:40 amComment by squegeebooo — May 22, 2007 @ 11:40 am
just one thing. explain the cell-phone calls.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:56 amsquegeebooo sez:
You’re joking, right? Scientific American writes one paragraph regarding the collapse of the Towers, peppered with factual errors, and you call that “taking it to task”? Please…
Shermer’s “debunking” is just another clumsy hit piece on 9/1 Truth…and a remarkably inept one at that. Check here for a point-by-point vivisection of Shermer’s little smear piece.
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:58 amJuan also believes the moon landing was faked.
Comment by Exley
Thats the best rebuttal you could find, right?
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:00 pmThe 9/11 conspiracy theories have been debunked roundly. I’ve never seen a link on this site or any other to a reputable page proving the admin was behind 9/11. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it must be a murderous cabal? Nope. Doesn’t pass the smell test.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:04 pmLieberman is a true American.
Senator, continue the fight!
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:04 pmShane, Exley is afraid. I dont think he is an idiot…most of the time. :)
He would sacrifice his freedom and common sense for his own perception of safety. He believed there were WMDs because he was scared that a ruined country could destroy his life. He believes Cuba was a threat, that NIcaragua was a threat, that Granada was a threat, he really believes all that. Yet, we are the loonies. Thats what you get when you think Reader´s Digest is a news source.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:07 pmWilco > the Constitution is flawed, because it never anticipated members of Congress putting their party affiliation before the needs of the nation and we the people. A ‘recall provision’ would rectify the situation and not allow politics to prevent removal of criminal thugs like Bush and Cheney.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:07 pmNope. Doesn’t pass the smell test.
Comment by Wilco
Like the 9/11 Commission report.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:07 pmFwd my inbox:
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:13 pm
explain the cell-phone calls.
From what I’ve seen the reports don’t differentiate between which calls were cell phones and which one’s were plane phones. So any calls that would have been impossible or improbable from a cell phone due to altitude can be attributed to plane phones.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:15 pmJay, I see where you’re coming from. If we were to have such a provision, are you suggesting a national vote, then?
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:18 pmWhat qualifications would you require to get a recall on the ballot?
How many votes?
If it were, say, 25% of the nation, I might agree to that. Some huge percentage. I think it should be difficult to get a recall on the ballot. It’s extremely disruptive. And it’s the presidency. It should be difficult to kick the president out of office. (but NOT too difficult)
So any calls that would have been impossible or improbable from a cell phone due to altitude can be attributed to plane phones.
Comment by squegeebooo
Yeah, if you are Wesley Snipes.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:31 pmWilco > California requires a certain percentage of registered voters to sign a petition to request a recall of an elected official. The same requirement would be needed for the entire nation. As for recalling the president: a clear cut majority vote would be required to remove him/her from office. Meaning at least 51% plus of votes caste. Recall provision would allow the people to remove an abusive leader like Bush.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:38 pmYeah, if you are Wesley Snipes.
Well I payed all my taxes the past few years, so it looks like the shoe won’t fit.
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:44 pmBon voyage Lieberman! The ONLY reason he wants to become a Republican is to tip the balance of power back in favor of the Republicans. He’s already an Independent. It’s just a name, Mr. Lieberman, just a name. Idiot!
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:08 pm‘I understand that you would much rather cling to the belief that our government is better than that…that they are the “good guysâ€.’
Therein that statement is the crux of the 9/11 conspiracy theories. A lot of “progressives” like to cling to their beliefs that the United States is the root of all troubles in the world. But when 9/11 occurred they were confronted with the fact that there are great evils out in the world. On 9/11, a lot of “progressives” saw their romanticized views of the Third World and other cultures shattered. However, rather than facing the fact that their prior views may have been wrong and naive, they chose instead to concoct the most outlandish and absurd conspiracy theories about the U.S. or Israel being the actual perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks in a desperate effort to preserve their now-discredited worldview. They simply chose to ignore all the evidence and not to believe that a group of terrorists from the Middle East carried out this atrocity on the United States because if they did otherwise, they would have to face the fact they had been so wrong about so many things.
Fortunately this self-deception is limited only to a small number of progressives. Most progressives recognize the fact that Al Qaeda carried out the 9/11 attacks.
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:14 pm#82
Heh! This coming from the man whose every post is an missive of his fears that some secret cabal of corporate powers in surreptiously running the world and that massive, worldwide conspiracies are being perpetrated to create wars…. Juan, you are the one who lives in fear — silly, groundless fears at that.
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:17 pmLt. Gen. William Boykin led the effort to hunt down Osama? Heckuva job, BillBoy! You had the troops within a few hundred yards and Osama was riding his white Arabian through the valleys of Tora Bora and then your commander guy told you to take it easy on the poor old terrorist, right? Why should anyone who actually does justify his/her existence daily respect this military stiff who couldn’t surround and capture or kill one militant cavalryman with a couple thousand troops with air mobility and Apache gunships? Forget WWI as the scene for the last cavalry charge. The last mounted charge was Osama’s one man defeat of BillBoy’s troops at Tora Bora. The result is the same, even if the details here may not be accountably perfect. The image of Osama, with his white Arabian, defying and escaping from Bush was never exploited by our brilliant consultants in the DNC. The chimp let him get away, then turned his frustrated frat bully personality on an easy target in Iraq who he could easily defeat, temporarily.
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:26 pmHe believes Cuba was a threat, that NIcaragua was a threat, that Granada was a threat, he really believes all that. Yet, we are the loonies. Thats what you get when you think Reader´s Digest is a news source.
Comment by Juan C
Exley and his ilk would destroy the entire country if their asses were safe. My 12 year old daughter is more courageous than these scared little trolls. Exley may be the best troll but he’s still a troll. It’s like being the least stinky piece of dog crap isn’t it?
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:28 pmComment by squegeebooo
Yeah, if you are Wesley Snipes.
Comment by Juan C
Good one Juan. And where are the tapes of the air traffic controllers? How long were these planes off course and we have never heard one controller say anything.
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:31 pmThis coming from the man whose every post is an missive of his fears that some secret cabal of corporate powers in surreptiously running the world and that massive, worldwide conspiracies are being perpetrated to create wars
Comment by Exley
Secret???? Surreptiously??? and… conspiracies???? What world do you live in? Read the Wall Street Journal Ed…they are frankly open about real reasons of wars, buddy.
But I guess you cant rebutt that. Yeah, yeah, the moon landing…whatever.
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:32 pm“Exley may be the best troll”
YES! I’d like to thank the Academy….
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:33 pmFortunately this self-deception is limited only to a small number of progressives. Most progressives recognize the fact that Al Qaeda carried out the 9/11 attacks.
Comment by Exley
We all believed it was Al Qaeda. That is until Bush told us he didn’t thing much about OBL and we invaded Iraq. We had no trouble believing there is evil coming at us from all over the world. What we have a problem with is the subsequent actions of this Administration. Don’t for a minute believe you understand a thing about progressives. It’s your own “lockstep follower” mentality you’re projecting here.
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:35 pmFortunately this self-deception is limited only to a small number of progressives. Most progressives recognize the fact that Al Qaeda carried out the 9/11 attacks.
Comment by Exley — May 22, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
If what you say in your post is true and that progressives “like to cling to their beliefs that the United States is the root of all troubles in the world” then wouldn’t the whole of the progressive portion of the nation have thrown up their hands in victory proclaiming “YES!!!! Score one for the good guys!!!” This was decidedly not the case, in fact, the whole of the nation rallied behind America’s leaders, authorizing them almost unanimously to use whatever force was necessary to track down the perpetrators.
What has driven our collective mistrust is the terrible abuse that our misplaced faith endured as Bush and his administration used the tragedy of 9/11 to strip away more and more of our rights and erode away the respect and reputation of our Great Nation.
Did Bush and PNAC carry out the 9/11 attacks? Maybe, maybe not. Have they been morally bankrupt enough to reap the ill-gotten benefits of a national tragedy? Hell yes.
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:35 pmExley may be the best trollâ€
YES! I’d like to thank the Academy….
Comment by Exley
I said may be, but then I read #92 and I now rescind the proposition.
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:38 pmAnd where are the tapes of the air traffic controllers? How long were these planes off course and we have never heard one controller say anything.
Comment by Shane
Shane, Shane…havent you heard? Al-Qaeda, blah, blah, blah, 9/11, blah, blah, blah, hate our freedoms (sic!), blah, blah, blah, these people will hear from us…blah, blah, blah.
There. You have been indoctrinated again. What? You actually think and ask questions? You un-American (sic!). :)
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:38 pmErock,
I didn’t say ALL progressives “like to cling to their beliefs that the United States is the root of all troubles in the world.” I was very careful not to generalize. I said “a lot.” And if you read many of the postings on this site, you have to see that is indeed true. As I said, it is only a small number of progressives who have chosen to engage in self-deception by embracing the laughable 9/11-was-an-inside-job conspiracy theories.
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:47 pmAs I said, it is only a small number of progressives who have chosen to engage in self-deception by embracing the laughable 9/11-was-an-inside-job conspiracy theories.
Comment by Exley — May 22, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
I think you are confusing the United States with the GOP when you say that progressives “like to cling to their beliefs that the United States is the root of all troubles in the world.†If that is actually what you meant then I will agree with you. All too often progressives (myself included) will pin blame solely on Republicans when the blame should probably be spread more evenly across both sides of the aisle.
I recognize your deliberate vagueness in using the nearly indefinable word “a lot” and hence will withhold from arguing against your actual claim.
May 22nd, 2007 at 1:58 pmJoe better switch asap because it won’t be long before he is totally irrelevant.
May 22nd, 2007 at 2:33 pmTherein that statement is the crux of the 9/11 conspiracy theories. A lot of “progressives†like to cling to their beliefs that the United States is the root of all troubles in the world. Comment by Exley — May 22, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
BAHAHA, you wingnuts are the only ones that claim that – what is that what *you* feel? Maybe you think we *librul* Americans are the root of all evil? Your alter-ego Mighty Aphrodite/Valiant Venus says the same b*llsh*t – almost word for word when she posts. Yet she also posts that she doesn’t agree with “much” that the US does – thereby proving she/you are the ones that hold these beliefs.
See, st*pid little (false) boy – venus. It’s not that we think the US is the root of all troubles in the world. It’s that we think you *wingnuts* are the the root of *most* troubles in the world. Whether it’s you wingnuts in the “Contras”, or the Taliban or Al Qaeda, or even Saddam. Wherever you look around the world to see murder and mayhem, you’ll find a fascist leaning wingnut like yourself. Even in Israel, where you have Palestinian wingnuts, battling Israeli wingnuts…
Sorry dum bass, but your little *snark*, is just more projection of your own st*pid hatred for America and “American-Liberalism”…
But when 9/11 occurred they were confronted with the fact that there are great evils out in the world. Comment by Exley — May 22, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
Actually we were confronted by religious wingnuts that *you* wingnuts helped train and fund… You didn’t create them, but your sure did make them more dangerous!
On 9/11, a lot of “progressives†saw their romanticized views of the Third World and other cultures shattered. Comment by Exley — May 22, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
Ah, poor st*pid little boy! It was your side that romanticized the “freedom-fighters” – and your boy Rohnuld RayGun hailed them the same as he did the thugs of Central America. Stop projecting child. If you dum bass romantics weren’t busying obsessing over s@x and the drug wars, you would have paid attention to the blinking lights and probably have avoided the attack in the first place! Incompetent fools!
However, rather than facing the fact that their prior views may have been wrong and naive, they chose instead to concoct the most outlandish and absurd conspiracy theories about the U.S. or Israel being the actual perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks in a desperate effort to preserve their now-discredited worldview. Comment by Exley — May 22, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
Unfortunately you wingnuts have been involved in way too many conspiracies to be trusted. You can’t blame people for suspecting your involvement – considering how incompetent you were to stop it!
They simply chose to ignore all the evidence and not to believe that a group of terrorists from the Middle East carried out this atrocity on the United States because if they did otherwise, they would have to face the fact they had been so wrong about so many things. Comment by Exley — May 22, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
By *they*, you mean the Bush Administration? Because Clinton’s staff warned them of the dangers before they left office – and oh wait, wasn’t he a *progressive*? Idiot.
Fortunately this self-deception is limited only to a small number of progressives. Most progressives recognize the fact that Al Qaeda carried out the 9/11 attacks. Comment by Exley — May 22, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
Unfortunately your self-deception is indicative of the entire GOP. How do we *know* who carried them out, when you wingnuts thwart every investigation from being carried out thoroughly? And you wonder why we’re *suspicious* of your involvement? You’re a bunch of crooks, lunatics, and fanatics. We *know* you’re capable of almost anything – so why shouldn’t people be suspicious that some members of your administration might have been involved? Especially considering you telegraphed the *need* for such an event in the late 90s PNAC briefings?
Sorry, but that’s enough of a *coincidence* to be distrustful of you fascist extremists – get over it – loser!
May 22nd, 2007 at 3:34 pmRE: Think Fast: Lieberman
May 22nd, 2007 at 11:55 pmMy wife and I are planning a trip to the Northeast this fall. We will be visiting all the New England states, while not entering Connecticut once for any commerce what-so-ever. I encourage all good Americans, especially Democrats and Independents (who were betrayed by this whiney ass-wipe, anti-American sell-out bastard) to boycott with us.
I love to bash this F__ckin wimp. The man could not last the night on patrol in Bagdad without whining into histeria. He doesn’t have even an aquaintence that is in the war, yet he is gung ho ? Do the rest of you fantasize about the day when foreign lobbyists, including this especially dangerous species, are brought to some beach and told to swim the f_ck home ? When the rest of this whore Congress is dimissed ? Sure, Chimpy’s administration – the Chimpy club – would be a perfect place for this f_cking pussy – none of them have been to war and all of them are whores of the arms and or oil industries. He wants to send our poor to die, spend our kids future, carry on the 2000 year old battle – for what Joe ? Oh, I see, we are doing this all to delay the big conflict until after we die. Oh, then why didn’t you say so. Sure.
May 26th, 2007 at 11:37 pm