Keith Olbermann plans Special Comment
By on May 23rd, 2007 at 6:21 pm
Keith Olbermann plans Special Comment
on the Iraq war compromise. A preview:
The Democratic leadership has, in sum, claimed a compromise with the Administration, in which the only things truly compromised are the trust of the voters, the ethics of the Democrats, and the lives of our brave, and doomed, friends, and family, in Iraq.
You, the men and women elected with the simplest of directions – Stop The War – have traded your strength, your bargaining position, and the uniform support of those who elected you… for a handful of magic beans.
UPDATE: The full special comment is HERE.
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Well said.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:25 pmCan I have your children K.O?
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:25 pmThe only sane voice among a cocaphony of blithering idiots. He should run for Prez in 08.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:26 pmif the funding stops, what happens?
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:28 pmOlbermann is right on. We need to pressure the Democratic leadership on the Iraq sellout. We also need to hold them to account on the secret trade deal negotiated with the White House, and the immigration bill that will enshrine guest workers into a legalized underclass.
The Dems a world’s ahead of the GOP, but that doesn’t mean that they have a free pass to do whatever they want.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:29 pmI worked very hard on the 2006 campaign for a senior member of the House. I called today to find out that he will be supporting the the toothless bill. I told him I would search for a primary challenger for him to deal with. He hung up on me!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:30 pmBut hey, according to jack-offs like Denis McDonough, this will help end the war (by funding it) and force the President to change his course (when it doesn’t and he won’t) so this is not a bad thing really.. and this is a quote “The good news for those who want to end the war in a way that protects our interests, there will be many more opportunities” to capitulate to Bush some more in other upcoming bills.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:33 pmthey can’t do it unless Republicants vote with them… Bush will veto everything he can…
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:33 pmWhatever, Keith. The President has his powerful veto pen – that’s why the dems can’t stop the war. How is it so tough to understand that?
If the dems cut off funding for troops, the aftermath would be a disaster. Leaving 150,000+ uniformed personnel stuck in the field, susceptible to the enemy because they don’t have the funds to reload their weapons or even take a plane home would backfire on the dems, no matter how good the intent. You think it’s that easy to just round them up and bring them home? Mass layoffs (or furloughs) at the Pentagon to divert funds to barely sustain the troops, is that what the dems want?
The surge is wrong, but Keith Olberman’s misunderstanding of the complexities of our military is worse.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:34 pmBring this war to a halt and cut off the fundS! If the idiot in the White House won’t listen, stop him with the power of the purse.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:36 pmWell done, Keith. Looking forward to hearing it.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:38 pmCompTROLLER V-1,
“Leaving 150,000+ uniformed personnel stuck in the field, susceptible to the enemy because they don’t have the funds to reload their weapons or even take a plane home would backfire on the dems, no matter how good the intent.”
What a disingenuous jack ass. This is exactly what you want people to believe. There is no way the troops are gonna be left in the desert without bullets or the other stuff they need to keep them safe. Ending the war means paying for them to come home safely. Quit distorting.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:40 pmPete,
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:41 pmGo back to #4. King vetos, same bill, King vetos, same bill, King vetos, no new bill, out of time, out of money, war over. King looks like an ass.
Damn, I can’t believe I’m in agreement with Tucker Carlson! He just said that the Dems are afraid of the “political ramifications of not supporting the troops”.
The thing is, of course, how the hell did wanting to bring the troops home to relative safety get turned into not supporting the troops?! Very weird.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:42 pmgood… i am waiting to hear it…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:44 pmif the funding stops, what happens?
Comment by marci
American soldiers stop dieing in Iraq… Americas response to 911 turns towards Pakistan and Osama… America spends more money on hardening the borders and other entries into America as well as more money into people that can actually speak arabic spying on the extremists… The Iraqis will kill each other like they are now but at a faster rate until they cant take it anymore… maybe Saudi Arabia and Iran will get bogged down in Iraq instead of US… Israel will call us cowards… and we will focus on their thorn in the Middle East side…
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:44 pmThe surge is wrong, but Keith Olberman’s misunderstanding of the complexities of our military is worse.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 23, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
And your misunderstanding of the idea of “cutting off funding” is even worse. Do you really think that Congress wouldn’t provide the funds for an orderly redeployment of the troops? Your image of leaving soldiers without bullets, or a way to get home, is just a strawman argument. Just ridiculous.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:44 pmthey can’t do it unless Republicants vote with them… Bush will veto everything he can…
Comment by Pete Bogs
Vetos dont take money away from Congress… It takes it away from bush.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:45 pm#9 Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
You are probably one who believes that when a budget isn’t passed in Congress or a Statehouse, the government actually ’shuts down’ and everything stops.
What an idiot!
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:46 pm#9
Cutting off funding for Iraq is not cutting off “funding for troops”.
So when a drug-dealer is demanding you buy some rock for your teenager, and you refuse to give him the money, while still feeding and clothing your kid, that means you are not supporting your family?
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:46 pmPull your head out of your ass comptroll. Cutting off funding for the war means the troops go home WITH their bullets, WITH their food and equipment, and with everything else thet need, and you know it. Take your b*llshit somewhere else. I’m sick enough watching the troops get killed for Cheney’s without your stupidity
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:46 pmThe surge is wrong, but Keith Olberman’s misunderstanding of the complexities of our military is worse.
Comment by CompTROLLER V-1
Which is exactly the problem? The bush would strand Americans in Iraq instead of bringing them home when he runs out of money? Or is it that Iraq will fall into a civil war ( oh well that has already happened) …?
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:47 pmThe Democrats have nothing to lose by continuing to send Bush bills that he will veto. They offer to fund the troops and BUSH rejects it. Very simple. Bush is the bad guy, the Democrats are the heroes who stand on principle to bring the troops home. The American people really aren’t as stupid as the Democrats seem to believe- most of the polls agree that Congress should use the power of the purse to stop the war. Even with this mandate, these spineless morons can’t stand up for what’s right.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:47 pmAny Reid staffers reading this? What the nation needed today, what the troops needed today was leadership. You’ve handed us failure. I busted my ass; thanks for very, very little.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:49 pm“You, the men and women elected with the simplest of directions – Stop The War…”
———————————————-
Are you all really so stupid as to believe that withdrawing our troops from Iraq would actually “stop the war”?
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:50 pmComment by Crump’s Brother
“What a disingenuous jack ass. This is exactly what you want people to believe. There is no way the troops are gonna be left in the desert without bullets or the other stuff they need to keep them safe. Ending the war means paying for them to come home safely. Quit distorting.”
Another vague assertion. I don’t see a separate bill “paying” for them to come home. Speaking constitutionally, no congressional bill can interfere with the president’s powers as commander-in-chief. They granted him the authority to go to war, but they have no authority to rescind that. It’s kind of like confirmation for a cabinet secretary, you see. If congress chooses to confirms a nominee, they can’t subsequently pass a bill mandating s/he be fired, but they can try to deny that Secretary’s salary, which would be stupid.
Back to the point, 150,000 troops out there couldn’t be pulled in a week. It takes extensive preparation to do so, and time that the enemy can “get one up” on the forces since they are occupied preparing to go home. So, the enemy needs to be taken be care of first, the people secured. Again, the U.S. doesn’t do roadside bombs, so that’s their challenge.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:52 pm# 6. Good on ya!!! The nitwits need that and they need a lot of that. I’m in Virginia where I’m so disgusted with Jim Webb. I had high hopes…and he gave a great post-State of Disunion address, and since then he’s become one of them.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:53 pmComment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 23, 2007 @ 6:34 pm ~
What does seem clear is that one of the principal factors accounting for the reluctance of Democrats to advocate de-funding is that the standard corruption that infects our political discourse has rendered the de-funding option truly radioactive. Republicans and the media have propagated — and Democrats have frequently affirmed — the proposition that to de-fund a war is to endanger the “troops in the field.”
This unbelievably irrational, even stupid, concept has arisen and has now taken root — that to cut off funds for the war means that, one day, our troops are going to be in the middle of a vicious fire-fight and suddenly they will run out of bullets — or run out of gas or armor — because Nancy Pelosi refused to pay for the things they need to protect themselves, and so they are going to find themselves in the middle of the Iraq war with no supplies and no money to pay for what they need. That is just one of those grossly distorting, idiotic myths the media allows to become immovably lodged in our political discourse and which infects our political analysis and prevents any sort of rational examination of our options.
That is why virtually all political figures run away as fast and desperately as possible from the idea of de-funding a war — it’s as though they have to strongly repudiate de-funding options because de-funding has become tantamount to “endangering our troops” (notwithstanding the fact that Congress has de-funded wars in the past and it is obviously done in coordination with the military and over a scheduled time frame so as to avoid “endangering the troops”).
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/02/12/democrats/index.html
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:54 pmRied and Pelosi and slow boat to nowhere.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:54 pmI sure hope Olbermann does one of his half-crazed, bugg-eyed, Edward R. Murrow on crack screeds tonight…They’re always good for a laugh.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:55 pmAre you all really so stupid as to believe that withdrawing our troops from Iraq would actually “stop the war�
Comment by Ringo — May 23, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
It would stop our troops from being killed in the middle of a civil war. Good enough! Are you so stupid as to believe that the Iraq conflict is a “war”?
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:57 pm#19. Well …it does stop. There is a law called the Anti-Deficiency Act that stipulates that the government cannot spend money that it doesn’t not have and that has not been appropriated. In 1996 when Newt Gingrich threw a fit because he claimed he had to ride in the back of Air Force One and he shut down the government thats exactly what happened. “Essential” services continued but my agency was totally eviscerated for nearly a month. I sent all of my bills to Gingrich in January and asked him to pay them for me because I was not getting a check… Yes. The government comes to a halt…at least it did in the administration of someone who abided by the law…in Bush’s case it might not mean squat.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:57 pmThe Democrats were plan B all along…
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:59 pmCompTROLLER V-1,
“If congress chooses to confirms a nominee, they can’t subsequently pass a bill mandating s/he be fired, but they can try to deny that Secretary’s salary, which would be stupid.”
Which Constitution are you reading. The Congress can impeach any member of the President’s Cabinet.
By your logic since the congress gave the President authority to use force (not a war declaration) that he can continue ad nauseum? We really have a system that says you give a Pres power like that, it can never be taken back? I highly doubt that founders had that idea in mind when they gave the war powers to Congress.
“So, the enemy needs to be taken be care of first, the people secured. ”
What enemy? Which side of the civil war are we on? How did we ever get out of Vietnam? You need to think this argument through a little better I think.
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:59 pmLISTEN
DUDES
AND
DUDETTES
IT’S SO DOG GONE CORRUPT
IT’S ENOUGH TO MAKE EVERYONE PUKE THEM OUT OF OFFICE DUDE
BUT YOU CAN’T DUDE
IT’S
RIGGED
DUDE
RIGGED LIKE DIG…………………
A TOTALLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL WARLORD CRIMINALS
A 109TH THAT WAS SO DOG DONE CORRUPT,
A 110TH THAT HAS BROKEN PROMISE AFTER PROMISE
AND AS I STATED SO MANY TIMES
IT’S A DOG GONE MESS……. AND THAT MESS IS – - – -
LITERALLY A CESSPOOL OF TOTALLY CORRUPTED POLITICAL PARASITES
LITERALLY HIGH CLASS HOODLUMS/SWINDLERS/CRIMINALS
THEN WE HAVE THE FACT REGARDING DRACULA
AND MANSIONS/PRIVATE ISLANDS/YACHTS/ON + ON
LITERALLY IT’S ONE SWINDLER AFTER THE NEXT
JACKY KNOWS DARWIN KNOWS KIND OF CRAP
AND WHETHER IT’S FOR THE PEOPLE
OR A NICE NEW YACHT/ROLLS ROYCE/LAND DEAL
JUST FOR A VOTE :)
POLITICAL PARASITES DUDE
POLITICAL LEECHES DUDE
POLITICAL HIGH CLASS SWINDLERS DUDE
POLITICAL MAGGOTS, CHIGGARDS, ROACHES, TICKS, MITES, TERMITES
IN A COMPLETE CESSPOOL OF TOTALLY CORRUPTED POLITICAL “THINGS”
FAR FAR SUPERIOR SERVICE AT MCDONALD’S FOR WE THE PEOPLE
WHILE THE PARASITES/POLITICAL PARASITES GET FAR FAR SUPERIOR
SERVICE WITH DRACULA, AND THEIR BRIBES, WAR CRIMINALS, CRONY’S
AND ALL THE REST OF THAT HIGH CLASS TRASH
THAT…….. SHOULD BE THROWN RIGHT IN THE SLAMMER
EVERY FRIGGIN ONE OF THE DUDE
AND WHAT SERVICE DO WE GET FROM THE HIGHEST CLASS HOUSE IN THE
LAND – - WE GET WARLORD CRIMINALS, THAT’S WHAT WE GET DUDE
AND WHAT KIND OF SERVICE TO WE GET FROM CARESSED GOD APPOINTED
ROCK SOLID INTEGRITY PUBLIC SERVANTS DUDE –
WELL I TELL YOU:
REFER BACK TO MCDONALD’S
WE GET THE GREASE PITS FROM OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS DUDE :)
WE GET COMPLETE TOTAL CORRUPTION
THAT SELLS US OUT!
THAT MEETS WITH DRACULA’S
SCANDAL AFTER SCANDAL
LIE AFTER LIE
AND DO NOTHING AND COMPLAIN ABOUT WORKING 2 DAY/WEEKS
THAT’S WHAT WE GET DUDE
ABSOLUTELY A DISGRACE, DIGUSTING AND ENOUGH TO PUKE,
BUT AS I STATED YOU CAN’T PUKE THEM OUT DUDE
BECAUSE IT’S RIGGED DUDE RIGGED… A COMPLETE MESS THAT’S WHAT
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:02 pmWE GET AND GOT OURSELF INTO
Totally full of shit.
Arlen Specter of all people laid this out, that Congress has authority, both legally, and with precedent in the courts to determine tactical level policy if it deems necessary. It is not just the oft mentioned “power of the purse” (which it also has).
Law and precedent is clear. Congress can tell the President how, if and where to use the military. Period. Furthermore, anyone claiming otherwise, or that Congress somehow can’t Constitutoinally de-funded and/or de-authorize (or even dictate tactical level use of the military) simply does not know what they are talking about (particularly the media jack-offs) and even more spectacularly wrong, Mr. “Unitary Executive” theory advocate number one, Mr. Dick “Go Fuck Yourself” Cheney.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:03 pmIt would stop our troops from being killed in the middle of a civil war. Good enough!
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:06 pmComment by Jane E. Schneider
——————————————————————————
And if a million or more Iraqis die in the wake of our withdrawl and islamists take over the government you would prefer that to us staying for another year or two?
The Republicans are corrupt… ok.
And they fight like hell to cheat ya!
The Dems….. Well, wowzie wowzie wooo wooo…. stop….pls stop…
Now i’m really mad …so i put on some head gear and a chest protector. See, I made it more efficient for you to beat the shit out of me.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:06 pmJimbo DUDE,
Get a grip man.
And stop shouting.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:07 pmGreat words, Mr. Olbermann. But you need to go a step further and let everyone watching your program know that the names of those politicians supporting the amended Bill which is essentially another blank check to further commit war and murders in the name of “fighting the terrorists, over there..” will be available and read by the constituents. I fear the time has truly come for a third party. The republicans cannot be truthful on the whole, and now the democrats are not trustworthy. Both parties have failed us, the constituents.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:07 pmShameful. But thank you for your analysis and fearlessness.
#31 But the difference is, the vast majority of the country supports deadlines and timetables and getting our troops out of Iraq. Nobody outside of Gingrich’s beltway crew supported Gingrich’s bullshit.
It is also not the same all or nothing switch either. We can shut-down the OEB without stopping Social Security checks form going out. We can shut down funding whole sections of the Government without stopping Medicare payments.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:08 pmBETRAYED. The Movie
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:11 pmOH I FORGOT –
AND BECAUSE WE ARE SO TRUSTING TO BELIEVE THE LIES
AND BECUASE OF OTHERS THAT ARE AIR HEADS
WE GOT OURSELF INTO A FRIGGIN MESS
OR
BEYOND OUR WILL WE GOT SWINDLED INTO THIS FRIGGIN MESS
LISTEN DUDE – - THIS ANTICORRUPTION AND CORRUPTION HAS BEEN
GOING DOWN A LONG LONG TIME DUDE AS FAR BACK AS I CAN REMEMBER
WELL OVER 30 YEARS, PROBABLY OVER 100 YEARS
AND
I
STAND
STRONG
I GET FAR SUPERIOR SERVICE AT MCDONALDS
AND KNOW VERY WELL
FOR ALL THE WONDERFUL SERVICES WE ARE SUPPOSE TO GET
WE FRIGGIN CAN’T GET THEM
WE GET SERVICE FROM THAT CESSPOOL EQUIVELENT TO THE GREASE TRAPS
DUDE, THAT’S THE JUST REALITY OF IT…
THE POLITICAL PARASITES, LOBBYISTS, HOODLUMS, CROOKS, TERMITES,
WHATEVER
GET THE SERVICE OF THE FINEST OF EVERYTHING
AND WE DON’T EVEN GET CRUMBS
DUDE WE GET TO RESIDE IN THE LANDFILL DUDE FOR THE QUALITY OF
SERVICE
NOW HOW’S THAT FOR SERVICE?
AND IT AIN’T DON’T DO KNOW GOOD CALLING THEM
NOW…………
JIMBO DUDE
ALWAYS SPEAKS THE TRUTH DUDE
YOUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN SOLD OUT TO WARLORD DUDES
AND EVERY SINGLE 100 HOUR PROMISE HAS BEEN BROKEN
AND NOT ONE SINGLE ONE OF THEM ACCOMPBLISHED
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:11 pmComment by lestatdelc
Drug analogies are kiddish and stupid, should be part no serious argument. I didn’t bother to comprehend your statement because I don’t feel like getting dumber.
Next:
Comment by lunacy
You know that a government does need money to run, right? It’s called taxes. But, you know, the government taxes people so much that they must have reserves stashed anywhere, part of the reason that the savings rate is negative for your average taxed citizen these days.
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Comment by Jane E. Schneider
I’m not in complete denial here, to clarify, that Democrats would actually funding from troops to meet their logistical needs. But given all the heavy squabbling – including Republicans – I am simply afraid. The DoD is rich, but the SecDef has already said that there are already cutbacks (certain contracts, some employees for starters) that are having to be made, at least temporarily. I just don’t want it to spiral out of controll and I just want to get “fearing the worst” out of the way, that’s all.
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Comment by ggibson
The conditions are bad in Iraq because of the civilian leadership, I’m not denying that, and Iraq is generally in a state of a civil war, but I believe the troops can still help if they want to. With Olbermann, though, I sometimes get the feeling that all of his protests are motivated at his seemingly intense hatred of Bush, not the actual problem at hand. Timelines don’t seem to be the answer, and there are Democrats still heavily worried at the political ramifications at not providing funding for troops, no matter how unpopular. They don’t wan’t to be spinned in the history books as being backstabbers and possibly proving President Bush right to any degree.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:12 pmJimbo DUDE… you also forgot that most keyboards have a caps lock button that can be click on and off.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:13 pmI watched Rahm on Hardball tonight. Even he didn’t sound convinced by his rationale, and in fact looked uncomfortable even trying to explain it away.
We listened to the tough talk and thought this was really going to happen. I feel so naive. I feel betrayed. They caved in to a 29-per-center. I simply don’t get it. And even as they are caving, and Rahm is talking about this being “a first step to end the war” we learn that the surge will in fact be closer to 50,000 troops. Congress has listened to Bush lie over and over and over, and still wants to enable him. That’s why this jerk has gotten away with bad deeds his entire life, unscathed. Because of the enablers, beginning with his parents.
Every death from here on out rests on the shoulders of the Democrats who violated our will and our trust, who blew an opportunity to bring them home. Yes, now it really is the Democrats’ war. This is unconscionable. Ant that is exactly what I wrote in my email to the leadership.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:13 pmWhat else can the people do? waiting for the next election didn’t help earlier.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:14 pmComment by Ringo — May 23, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
Since when have the Republiskunks cared about the thousands of innocent Iraqi people who have been killed so far because of the US occupation of their country? The Iraqi “government” is going to have to “stand up” on its own and start policing its own country. Do you really think that, if we keep US troops there for another year or two, that the Iraqis are going to fall into line and form a Western-style democracy?
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:15 pmAre you all really so stupid as to believe that withdrawing our troops from Iraq would actually “stop the war�
Comment by Ringo
The POINT is to stop our involvement in the war! SO, YES, withdrawing our troops would stop the war.
Where do these people come from? Troll?
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:17 pmComment by Crump’s Brother
Really? Then why haven’t they impeached Gonzalez, rather than just offer a resolution of “no-confidence.” I’ve heard not a single word about the possibility of impeachment there. Why, then do they keep asking the President to fire him if they can actually impeach him? I don’t think a cabinet secretary can be impeached.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:18 pmHandful of magic beans?
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:20 pmWould you mean thirty pieces of silver??
Did anyone else see Dennis Kucinich on the House floor (for an hour)explain in excruciating detail how U.S. and British Oil Companies plan to steal Iraq’s Oil?
The Iraq Hydrocarbon Law is THE Benchmark. If the Iraqis don’t pass the Hydrocarbon Law, which gives 70% of the profits on Iraqs unexplored oilfields FOR 30 YEARS, then we will NOT remove our troops PERIOD. And we’ll withold billions of dollars in reconstruction money. In my world that’s called a BRIBE. And since we destroyed most of the stuff that needs to be reconstructed that’s just plain revolting. There’s over 200 TRILLION $$$$ in untapped oil in the ground in Iraq and we’re not leaving until Iraq assures, by law, that BP Chevron etc. get 70% of it.
In Saddam’s day the government owned the oil. That’s why he had to go. Pretty simple. Wanna bet 1000 to 1 odds that none of the corporate media reports this?
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:24 pm#31… Dude…. that’s been totally corrupted too…….. it’s called a totally
corrupt federal reserve who gives congress a blank check with interest
of course, a printing press, and a national debt
and every political parasites wants their pork
and while they get
rich rich rich
we
pay pay pay
it’s totally corrupt, but it’s not, it’s policy, there’s no accountability or
nothin.
dude… IT’S A FRIGGIN MESS !!!!!!!!!!
listen dude and were still getting totally stiffed
are you kidding me 1% of the population gets like 50% wealth
and we get barely crumbs and fear the most are livelihood getting outsourced
POLICY DUDE POLICY
DUDE…. if this kind of corruption has been going on for the past 100 years
does you or me know anything…. is there any accountability?
we believed the 110th promises and that kind of SWINDLE has been going
on as far back as i can remember
first time though to have a war lord criminal kept it going on for 6 friggin years.
and then we got all the lobbyists and political parasites in a complete
cesspool of total political corruption dude
even the department of friggin justice IS TOTALLY CORRUPTED dude
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:25 pmWe need to make it our mission to contact these three top Democrats and let them have it for cowering before Bush and compromising on the Iraq Funding.
Nancy Pelosi: 1-202-225-0100
Harry Reid: 1-202-224-3542
Rahm Emanuel: 1-202-225-4061
Post these three phone numbers on every website. Include them in all your e-mail. Put signs up wherever you can. We need to let them know that they’ve failed our troops, country and Constitution.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:25 pmGood ol’ K.O. telling it like it is, ah, he does such a fine job at it too, refreshing and to the point.
Hating the Repukian Mafia daily
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:27 pm——————————————————————————
And if a million or more Iraqis die in the wake of our withdrawl and islamists take over the government you would prefer that to us staying for another year or two?
Comment by Ringo —
First of all- there IS NO F-ing PLAN in Iraq. You idiots keep saying that all we need to do is “stay” there for a year or two more- you’ve been saying that for the last four. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Our troops shouldn’t have to stand in the middle and be slaughtered for interfering in a civil war. The course you idiots propose would leave them in place as the policemen of Iraq endlessly. If the IRAQI PEOPLE choose an Islamic theocracy, then so be it- it’s not our business to interfere. We’ve done enough of that already. A majority of the American people want our troops out and the vast majority of IRAQI’s want us out. Give the people what they want and shove your interfering, nation building rhetoric where it belongs.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:49 pmOf Congressional Surrenders
David Swanson afterdowningstreet dot org Wed, 2007-05-23 18:47
For almost five months, Congress has gone out of its way to avoid impeachment in order to get things done, and has thereby managed to have signed into law all sorts of wonderful legislation. Er, well, actually not so much legislation that you would really call wonderful. Well, OK, actually not a single bill, if you want to be picky about it. And of course, any useful legislation sent to the President is likely to be vetoed or signing-statemented.
….Has Bush announced his intention to violate numerous laws? The signing statements are on the White House website.
Has Bush authorized spying programs knowing they violated the law and the Bill of Rights? He’s on videotape lying about it for years. He’s on videotape confessing to it. A federal court has already ruled what he’s done a felony.
Have Bush and Cheney threatened an aggressive war on Iran? They’re both on videotape doing so.
Was Bush criminally negligent during Hurricane Katrina? He’s on videotape being warned of the danger. He’s on videotape claiming he was never warned.
Have Bush and Cheney used unlawful detentions and torture? They and their staffs have defended these policies on video and in writing. The practice of detaining without charge and the numerous victims of it are undisputed public knowledge. Evidence of torture is voluminous and indisputable and includes public photographs.
Did Bush and Cheney intentionally mislead the Congress and the public into the invasion and occupation of Iraq? They are on videotape doing so, and the evidence that they knew exactly what they were doing is overwhelming.
Failure to pursue impeachment simply means nobody gets impeached. Announcing that impeachment is off the table means nobody gets impeached, nothing gets done that the President doesn’t want done, and the President continues to violate the law and probably escalates his abuses.
May 23rd, 2007 at 7:56 pm“You, the men and women elected with the simplest of directions – Stop The War”
Olbermann loves this nonsense. Presuming he is talking about the Senate, only 33 Senators stood in 2006 — does he mean that the 1/3 of them were elected with ‘the simplest of directions’?
It’s such utter crap. Shame on you, Keith.
May 23rd, 2007 at 8:03 pmWeird.
I had posted (and it was showing up for about 20 mins.) a lengthy excerpt of an Arlen Specter speech on the Senate floor, which laid out dozens of specific examples of Congress controlling the funding, up to cutting off said funding, of military operations as well as de-authorizing and limiting (even on a tactical level) by law how the President can employ troops.
Yet now it is gone.
Does TP remove posts if they deem them too lengthy?
May 23rd, 2007 at 8:05 pmLarry, we don’t have the votes to move a conviction in any case. You are aware of that, but you prefer to blame the Dems for those FACTS.
Restoring the justice system, in order to restart the Abramov (and other) indictments, in order to CHANGE that balance of votes, is our best course of action.
How will demonizing the Dems help that process?
It will not. You are doing Karl’s work — go get your cookie.
May 23rd, 2007 at 8:05 pmWhen Bush starts the overt side of the War on Iran, his war powers will again trump our Constitutional interests.
Restoring our democracy is rather more important than stopping the Iraq PHASE of the PNAC Wars.
• Complaining about the failure of impeachment to function during a coup accomplishes nothing.
The same people who are so offended by the failure of impeachment are disafilliated ANYHOW, and will vote for some unknown and feel proud, or not vote at all.
May 23rd, 2007 at 8:09 pm*The Gravel Plan can be used to end the Iraq occupation AND used to impeach Bush. If our Democrats in the Senate and House had the will they (we) could make it happen…
SENATOR GRAVEL OFFERS A PLAN GUARANTEED TO END THE WAR IN IRAQ
Washington, DC May 14th — …Former United States Senator and Democratic Presidential candidate Mike Gravel introduced the United States Armed Forces Withdrawal From Iraq Act, a tough law with sobering consequences to finally get the Bush Administration’s full attention. Gravel will also outline in detail a very tough legislative strategy to close out the war by Labor Day and have American troops home by Christmas. The only requirement is congressional leadership.
The Senator said, “The Congress must stop acting alone on the war issue and bring the American People into the fray to adjudicate the constitutional confrontation between the Congress and the President, if we are to end the mess Bush created before January 2009.”
…The essence of the Gravel Plan: the congressional leadership must draw-out over days and weeks, if necessary, repeated daily cloture votes in the Senate and repeated daily veto override votes in both chambers to give American voters time to weigh-in and force two-thirds of their Senators and Representatives to vote to override the President’s veto of the American will.
Gravel added: “In the face of a President oblivious to human suffering and death, the voting public is the only power that can stop the war. The Congress can and must energize this citizen’s power. Timidity, compromise, comity and politics as usual are not viable alternatives to LEADERSHIP when Americans and Iraqis are dying every day.”
May 23rd, 2007 at 8:16 pmI called Nancy Pelosi’s office to let her know that the nutroots are really, really mad at her. They told me that she would be in Greenland for a week watching ice melt. I’ll try again later.
May 23rd, 2007 at 8:25 pmI then called Reid’s office to tell him that the nutroots are really, really mad at him. The guy who answered said that he was a morman elder and that Harry was just following orders. I don’t think I’ll call back.
WHY DON’T YOU ANGRY FOOLS TAKE ALL YOU’RE ENERGY AND FOCUS IT WHERE THE PROBLEM LIES…
May 23rd, 2007 at 8:47 pmWITH THE REPUBLICANS!!! CALL THEM AND HARASS THEM! RIOT AT THEIR OFFICES THE WAY THEY HAD THEIR STAFFERS RIOT AT THE FLORIDA ELECTIONS OFFICE IN 2000!!!
The Democrats CAN’T OVERRIDE A VETO, they haven’t the votes for it. Now you are all seeing exactly how POWERLESS the so-called Party-In-Power really is! A more cynical person might suggest that this was all a set-up and that Rove and the media opinion manipulators were eager to fix just enough 06 elections to give the false appearance of Democratic control while using that appearance to bash the Dems into destruction in 08…If the GOP has perfected voter suppression to a fine science and can generally rig any election one way or the other, for instance re-inserting Arnold the Terminator in California after ALL of Arnie’s initiatives in the previous election had been overwhelmingly defeated, displaying his actual lack of popularity for the world to see, then they can pretty much rig ANYTHING. Anyone doubting this needs to read up on Greg Palast’s recent works.
End the war. Don’t let us down.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:05 pmDid anyone see the Special Comment?
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:09 pmYou commies are so nutty! Why do you guys hate America so much? Love it or leave it, baby!
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:13 pmThe special comment transcript is up at countdown’s website. No video that I can find yet.
It ROCKED!!! like always!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:15 pmYou commies suck
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:15 pmbeefeater:
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:17 pmIs that the gin speaking, the implied macho guy, or the latent homosexual reference. Please say the last.
I saw the special comment. I applaud keiths effort but the votes just arent there for the democrats to pass a bill for withdrawal. They did the best the could for negotiation and more of the country wanted benchmarks or other rather than timeline.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:29 pmSean:
I beleieve real Americans spell it Shawn. Immigrant Irish spelled it your way and they weren’t wanted. Spell it right or leave buddy. We have only one acceptable way here. No place for alternatives. No offense intended to the Shawn’s of the Living nor the Shawn’s of the Dead.
Sean: I think the Commie name calling went the way of New Coke, Zima, and the smokeless cig but whatever makes you feel good no matter how outdated or moronic.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:29 pm#64 – Thanks, Terri.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:31 pmKeith Overbite Countdown to No Ratings is now the “official” home of the kook fringe radical America-haters. msnbc has dropped all pretexts of objectivity and are now openly advocating for the democrat party. Oh, but I forgot! The “corporate” media is Bush’s lapdog! RIIIIIIIGHT! You libs have the media on your side and you still complain! The tolerant, compassionate, open-minded, defenders of the 1st Amendment are following the templets of their ideological heroes marx, stalin, and lenin and want to silence free speech with the “fairness” doctrine! Mao would be proud! lib talk radio will always fail because the audience is too small to support a network, and the audience doesn’t need to turn on the radio to validate their beliefs. All they have to do is turn on ABCNEWS, CBSNEWS, NBCNEWS, CNN and MSNBC to hear their point of view not only brodcast, but advocated! All you pinkos, stop bitching and support your country!
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:31 pmIt seems like so many people on here just are not listening.
Vetos mean NOTHING.
The democrats dont have to pass a law to end it which requires bush to sign it. They have to NOT pass a law at all … which means bush never gets a chance to veto. He is powerless if the democrats so choose. Will he have them all arrested or killed somehow? No? Well then whats the problem? Do they need these jobs to feed their kids? Nope. Well then whats the problem?
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:31 pm#71
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:40 pmHow is the congress supposed to pass the war spending without a bill? We all know they would be attacked in the general election if they just kept sending Bush the timeline bill over and over and waited until the money ran out for the troops. The country would rather have a compromise i think.
Here’s a link to the text of Keith’s special comment:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18831132/
It’s fantastic!
Democrats, are you listening?
**crickets chirping**
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:41 pmWAKE UP, YOU COMMIES! ( I love Zima, dbadass, and I will always call you guys commies! If the shoe fits……) The dems have sold you out! Bush is going to get what he wants at the end of the day. I LOOOOOOOVE WAR PROFITEERING!!!!! You guys should consider working in the defense contracting field. The pay and benies are awesome! I can smell the blood of the “innocent” Iraqis on my paycheck when I deposit it. Smells like…..victory!
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:42 pmComment by dbadass — May 23, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
No charge for this one Karl, to easy.
A jr. high kid, posting from mommy’s basement, with a login of “da bad ass” is asking me if it’s implied macho guy or a latent homosexual reference. Then he asks for a date! For a few seconds I’m speechless.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:51 pmZooey, Terri:
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:52 pmVideo of Keith’s latest Special Comment is up at crooksandliars.com.
I just saw pelosi on The Commie News Network. Is she competing with Barbera Wawa to see who can have the most facelifts before death? Those two broads are stretched tighter than the waistband on teddy “chapaquittic” kennedy’s undies! I bet he has skidmarks on every pair1
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:53 pmI’ve “sean” the light! Sorry guy, didn’t realize the sarcasm. However, coming from an late middle ager, I think it smells more like “teen spirit” I was of the punk “sean”. We hoped and strivedfor better governance for all (at least before those dumb ass suburbia neo nazi asswipes showed up) The me first thing is alien to us. Bush won’t get shit but a bad byline in future text.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:54 pmBeefy:
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:58 pmOddly enough there was a time I thaught junior high but it was years ago. The point was that I found the last option the least objectionable.
Damn good line Kieth:
“Those who seek the Democratic nomination need to—for their own political futures and, with a thousand times more solemnity and importance, for the individual futures of our troops—denounce this betrayal, vote against it, and, if need be, unseat Majority Leader Reid and Speaker Pelosi if they continue down this path of guilty, fatal acquiescence to the tragically misguided will of a monomaniacal president.”
Why can’t people like Keith Obermann run for President?
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:58 pmbetter make that “facillitated the learning” of as whatever I spelled last time made no sense. What’s up with you guys and middle schoolers in basements. My mom doesn’t have ony and lives 4 states from me
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:00 pmHey Keith Overbite, I know in your own pathetic mind you think you’re Edward R. Murrow, but you couldn’t carry that pinkos jockstrap on your best day! Go back to ESPN where people took you seriously! You have become the Rosie O’Donnell of primetime cable news spewing conspiracy theories and liberal hate-filled bile at decent people who have done more good for this world than you could do in 1,000 lifetimes!
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:01 pmI emailed Keith that I agreed with everything he said…
…BUT…
…told him he left out one key component…
…he failed to direct any comments toward (or about)…
…the complicit TREASONOUS Republican House and Senatemembers…
…without whose steadfast support…
…Bushiva could not have possibly vetoed the first bill…
…STILL…
…the Democrats’ strategy to ignore their base…
…thinking us SO locked in that we’d have no one else to vote for BUT Democrats…
…in favor of courting (and obtaining) the “center” voters…
…is STUPID!
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:01 pmComment by Sean — When your dad was cornholling you last night where you thinking of Bush?
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:11 pmdbadass Oooooo……what a scary handle! Has your mommie washed your Spiderman onesie so you can wear it to bed tonight? do they make them in your size?a 325 pound 32 year old internet activist changing the world one keystroke at a time from his parents basement! Can she make us some rice crispie treats later?
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:12 pmNo JTitor, I was pissed that he didn’t give me a reach-around!
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:16 pmDo you kiss your mother with that mouth, JTitor?
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:17 pmSean:
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:20 pmThe dbadass nickname was placed upon me by my students in the earliest days of my career. It stems from a take off upon my real name. No scariness involved. PJ’s aren’t my thing at 42 and 165. No major activism here just interested in monitoring the ideas of others and free time on my hands. Wish you were right about mom and dad as they experienced a tragic divorce many years back. As too rice crispie treats, I hate em, but my two amazingly cool daughters love em.
You of all people, JTitor, should support my alternative lifestyle! Have you sent in your GLAAD annual dues yet?
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:20 pmSean is spiritually, intellectually and morally DEAD…
…and if his rotten Karma is any indication…
…his soulless shell shouldn’t be far behind…
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:29 pmOlbermann delivers another KO. May the Dems take note.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:30 pmWhat a shocker! dbadass is a teacher. Endoctrinating the youth of America while their unsuspecting parents go to work all day to feed the beast of government which takes their hard earned money and redistributes it to the nonproducers and dreggs of society! Hey dbadass, is gore’s prop-ummentary mandatory viewing in your classroom? I weap for the future of our Great Nation once the mini-marxists you and many other government propagandists have molded take over. An entire generation of militant feminists and feminized spineless pascifist “men”! Our Founding Fathers (rich-white-slaveowners) are turning over in their graves seeing what you socialists have done and are doing to the country.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:33 pmbetter make that “facillitated the learning†of as whatever I spelled last time made no sense. What’s up with you guys and middle schoolers in basements. My mom doesn’t have ony and lives 4 states from me
Comment by dbadass — May 23, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
I have nothing to say.
Could-a been the whisky, might-a been the gin.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:39 pmCould-a been the three or four six packs, I don’t know,
But won’t you look at the mess I’m in?
A head like a football, I think I’m going to die.
But tell me, a-me oh, me oh my,
Wasn’t that a Party?
big papa;
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:40 pmForgive me if the reference is inappropriate but you share the same wisdom of Papa Smurf. This is of course why the older and wiser are revered. That said can we not hope that in some future incarnation, the karmic confusion of others might be righted such as they can move on to a higher understanding as evidenced by their actions while present in the physical world?
God, I love free speech! Oops, I apoligize to all of you Godless derilicts for invoking the name of the Lord. I know how much you guys hate Him. Zeig Hiel!
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:40 pm92
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:42 pmSorry I missed it. Sounds like it was quite the shindig.
Sean, why are you so incredibly stupid?
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:43 pmJpark, I know you are, but what am I? Get back on the short bus you water-headed retard!
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:46 pmCould-a been the whisky, might-a been the gin.
Could-a been the three or four six packs, I don’t know,
But won’t you look at the mess I’m in?
A head like a football, I think I’m going to die.
But tell me, a-me oh, me oh my,
Wasn’t that a Party?
Thanks for answering the original question! Me, I prefer Tanqueray but will go with Beefeater in a pinch. Bombay isn’t bad either. Hold the whiskey and beer though.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:49 pmSean, you spout crap and then you insult me? Are you kidding?
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:51 pmSean, I am rereading all of your points and I am still looking for intelligence. I just can’t seem to find it.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:53 pmIs this the best you guys have? A bunch of sixties retreads bemoaning the fact that a bunch of politicians let them down! I’ve seen better posts on Special Olympics site! When will you guys wake up and smell the coffee, or weed in your cases? This country was built with the lives of the innocent who were in the way of Capitolism! That is how it has always been and will always be! The dems are just as beholden to the military industrial complex as any GOPer could ever be. Just ask Diane Feinstein’s husband!
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:55 pmSean, you do nothing but spout talking points. Do you actually have something to say or are you just going to keep up your spotless record of saying nothing?
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:57 pmJPark, Read between the lines! It’s in there somewhere.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:58 pmcan we not hope that in some future incarnation, the karmic confusion of others might be righted such as they can move on to a higher understanding as evidenced by their actions while present in the physical world?
Comment by dbadass #94
…with their karmic confusion causing the misery, deaths and destruction of so many lives…
…I don’t see how…
…it’d be like the cosmos accepting…
… “oops” or “We made a boo boo and we’re REALLY sorry”…
…from Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, or the Confederate south…
…as recompense…
… for their crimes against humanity…
…Naw dbad…
…first there’s “Hell to pay”…
…THEN…
…maybe…
…forgiveness…
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:00 pmSee if you like this talking point, JPark. You suck!
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:01 pmSean, I have to read between your lines to find one iota of intelligence?
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:02 pmSean, that is a good one!!! I will have to remember that…”You suck!!!” Whew, I will never be able to remember that. Let me open up a Word document and save it for future reference!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:03 pmI’ve got one line you can read between, JPark! The crack of my ass!
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:04 pmCapitolism!
Comment by Sean #101
…such a devoted adherent and practitioner…
…he forgot how to spell it…
…prosecution rests…
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:05 pmExtensive daddy:
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:07 pmI hear you but wished for a more positive reply. You seem like one who will get there long before I and endlessly before them
Hehe, Sean, ANOTHER good one!!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:09 pmJPark, have you been drinking the bong water again? I hear it effects the sperm count. Something to think about.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:09 pmThank you folks! I’ll be here all week. Please remember to tip your waitress.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:10 pmHmm, I have never tried a bong. Is it as good as they say, Sean?
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:13 pmNo JPark, I said bong, not dong! I don’t like to blow my own bong, but I certainly would if I could!
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:20 pmComment by dbadass #110
…got NO idea what your beef is with ME…
…but YOU responded to a post that I wrote for Sean (@ #90)…
…I THINK (you and I are on the same side)…
…I’ll give you a moment to revisit from post #90 on down…
…and THEN…
…maybe we can get a sense of where WE stand with each other…
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:22 pmbig papa…….is that your screen name in the petaphilia(sic) chat rooms?
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:26 pmbig papa…….is that your screen name in the petaphilia(sic) chat rooms?
Comment by Sean #117
YEP!
…and your mother, sister, and significant other…
….ALL eat it up…
…pimpin’ ain’t easy but…
…somebody’s gotta do it…
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:30 pmhey bigpapa, is that a dictionary in your pocket or are you just glad to see me? I’m sorry my spelling isn’t perfect. I wuz lurned in publick skuul. Thank you teachers unions!
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:30 pmBig Papa:
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:36 pmNo beef at all. Maybe I disrespected by altering the moniker? We are on the same page big time. My last post suggested that you were far more rightous than I and way ahead of imbeciles like the one you are currently tied up with. Please forgive any disrespect as none was intended. In fact the exact opposite.
Keith Olbermann threads always stir up the most stupid trolls.
Must be Sean’s turn to crawl out of the pig sty….
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:36 pm“No JPark, I said bong, not dong!”. I was kinda giving you the benefit of the doubt. Not anymore. You are plain stupid. You might want to curl up into a ball before the heavy hitters start aiming for you. You are in WAY over your head.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:42 pmJesus Christ! bigpapa and dbadass, why don’t you two just get a room already! Who is going to be the pitcher and who is going to be the catcher? I have my opinion. I think that we all know that bigpapa is nobody’s punk! dbadass, just relax and let it happen. Use lube!
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:42 pmI crawled out of the gates of Hell, Zooey! By the way, your dad says “Hi”.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:44 pmComment by dbadass #121
…no problem…
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:47 pmIs that a threat, JPark? Based on what I’ve seen on this site, I don’t think I have much to worry about. Mental midgets all!
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:49 pmI crawled out of the gates of Hell, Zooey! By the way, your dad says “Hiâ€.
Comment by Sean
Tell him I said, “Hi” right back!
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:51 pmI did Zooey. He said he doesn’t like the guy you are dating now. He thinks he is a “slimeball” (his word) He wants you to be careful.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:57 pmbigpapa and dbadass, why don’t you two just get a room already! Who is going to be the pitcher and who is going to be the catcher?
Comment by Sean #123
…don’t you DARE speak to your FATHERS this way…
…EVER again…
…WE won’t stand for it…
…NOW…
…don’t you have a report to get ready for home school in the morning?
…and get your filthy l’il a*s in the shower before you go to bed too…
…We’ll talk about that parental lock on your computer tmw you l’il sh*t…
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:58 pmSean is believin’
May 24th, 2007 at 12:00 amYou haven’t said anything remotely intelligent in hours if ever. Attacking people’s families just indicates that there is no intellectual basis for your arguments. I tried to ignore you but it is very hard. You are like that obnoxious attention needer in the classroom. It would be easier if you would just allow me to beat the shit out of you on the playground. Are you game?
Oooooo big papa! I love it when you talk dirty! Please don’t spank me, Daddy!
May 24th, 2007 at 12:03 amwhen and where, dbadass. I’ll be there with bells on!
May 24th, 2007 at 12:04 amdbadass, you couldn’t ignore me if your life depended on it! In a battle of wits against me, you are unarmed! Your liberal elitest mentallity has clouded your judgement.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:08 amI did Zooey. He said he doesn’t like the guy you are dating now. He thinks he is a “slimeball†(his word) He wants you to be careful.
Comment by Sean
Hmmmm, which guy? Oh well.. tell dad I’ve bail money saved up again, just in case. And the new judge is “cool.”
May 24th, 2007 at 12:09 amSean, you have said nothing intelligent yet. I really don’t think you have any room to talk about mental retardation.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:10 amSean, if you really want to get big and bad physically I think we have a number of states covered. Where do you want to get froggy?
May 24th, 2007 at 12:12 amThis is getting too heavy guys. Let’s all take a deep cleansing breathe and hopefully cooler heads can prevail. I am a lover not a fighter, JPark. I have no beef with you, man.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:17 amZooey, your dad says that if that bastard lays a hand on you, he will send an army of Hells worst to destroy him. Unless of course you like it when a guy smacks you around. Different strokes for different folks.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:20 amSHAWN:
May 24th, 2007 at 12:29 amWork quickly as this will be up only briefly no doubt. Set up an alternative contact via the usual available contacts (yahoo,hotmail, etc). Give me said contact and it’s a deal. Trust me kid this is a really a bad idea but I am happy to humor you and more. By the way child you have shown no wits so far so I need not worry as to how to match them. If your fight is as lame as you vocab, construction, and overall effective written expression I quess I won’t need the numbchucks
What Sean? Are you now becoming more moderate? Is that all it takes. The threat of physical violence?
May 24th, 2007 at 12:29 amYou commies are really boring me. I think I am going to dailykos or dem-underground so I can provoke some REAL lefties.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:30 amSean,
You tell dad that both of my men have already taken on hell’s worst — actually hell’s pansies — and have some great stories to tell. If any man lays a hand on me, it’s the last thing he does. This is Idaho — I’ve got a gun, a pickup, and a shovel.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:32 amOk, Sean, you do that. But I suggest not going to DKos. They are kinda DLC centrist. But you wouldn’t know the difference, would you?
May 24th, 2007 at 12:33 amI thought you guys didn’t like violence. What happened to “Give peace a chance!” Man, what a let down. I feel like I just found out Santa isn’t real.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:35 amHey shawny don’t leave too soon. I haven’t gotten that contact yet
May 24th, 2007 at 12:36 amHehe, Zoo, we need lye here to hide the smell of a body. We don’t have that wide open space! :)
May 24th, 2007 at 12:37 amSean, I don’t know who told you we were all pacifist. Some of us even enjoy violence when it is deserved. Wanna test your theory?
May 24th, 2007 at 12:38 amZooey, a woman after my heart. Is that pick-up a hybrid? You really dissapoint me with the gun ownership, though. You call yourself a lib?
May 24th, 2007 at 12:38 amWow, Sean, you haven’t been around long, have you. Many libs here are pro-gun. Me? I would make sure to have an IQ provision to make sure you wouldn’t be able to buy them.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:41 amWell, its been fun guys, but its waaaaay past my bedtime. I’ll check back in on this thread later to see if you guys missed me. Peace out! JPark, I think we got off on the wrong foot, man. I think if we met in another environment we would probably be fast friends. What a shame that we will never know what might have been. Zooey, I will be thinking of you next time I whack it, for sure! What a woman! Later.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:44 amZooey, JPark, Etal:
May 24th, 2007 at 12:45 amWhere is my brain? I have just wasted valuable time dealing with the modern day child with access to a CB. I do not know if you are old enough to remember citizen band radio but I think the smokey and the bandit crap must be out there. Why did we/I waste time and energy on this. I was the same jackass child as Sean when it came to being annoying on the technology of the day. Sean I quess a minor apology is due. Me and my friends made up stupid “handles’ and annoyed truckers for lack of anything better to do. None the less, I still think there is an overall “convoy” of opinion that Sean is a tool. Catch you later good buddy!
Somehow I doubt we would hit it off. I am not really a big fan of sexist pigs. Thanks, though.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:49 amdbadass. I drove semi for a couple of years and I am all for people annoying truckers on the radio. The only reason I ever had that damn thing on was to find out where smokey was.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:51 amComment by dbadass — May 24, 2007 @ 12:45 am
Some trolls are like an exotic and addictive drug. Yours is Sean — mine is michael. Oh how I love to emmasculate him. :-D
May 24th, 2007 at 1:03 amI’m a progressive through and through, and by nature I’m a pragmatist. Admittedly, I was extremely dissapointed by the so called war funding compromise. I want this stupid war to come to an end immediately. However, the bill will fund the war only through September. My heart sicerely goes out to the families of the soldiers who will lose their lives in the meantime. I wish no blood would be shed. Let’s keep it real though. Even if the Dems kept sending bills with firm withdrawal timelines, Bush the idiot would keep vetoing them. The pentagon could simply reallocate resources it already has, and the war would still be funded through September at the least. Bush would probably force the military to stay in Iraq even without the funds and we could potentially lose many more soldiers. Bush woudl rather all of America crash and burn than back off on Iraq. Instead, with this bill, we get some of our other programs funded, such as minimum wage increase and benefits for veterans. At the very least, we get some money for our vets coming home from Iraq. Do we all understand that even if the Dems tried to use the power of the purse, the war would still go on? Bush is not a man of reason. It is not caving into him, and the Dems aren’t showing a lack of courage. Now come September, the President is going to need additional funds. Hopefully things will have turned around in Iraq by then. But that’s only wishful thinking. The likelier scenario is that things will get worse in Iraq. Then Petreaus will be shown to be the fraud that he is, the Rebublicans will either revolt against Bush or prove themselves to be the cowardly liars that they are, and the magic September deadline for progress will expire. At that point, the Dems can say that we gave it our all and the situation is unfixable, and we can start to redeploy, with or without Republican support. The country by and large does not yet support a full and immediate withdrawal. Don’t forget this mess is 5 years in the making, and the Dems have been in power only 5 months. Now come September, if the Dems don’t go for the jugular and prove to be as spineless and stupid as so many of you claim, then we must make them pay a heavy price. In the meantime, I think Oberman is a little premature on his condemnation of the democratic congress. This is the first time he has dissapointed me. I hope he thinks things through next time before he tries to tear down our party leaders.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:06 amdantheman, get your head out of you ass! Do us all a favor and kill yourself. Cry me a river you pantywaste.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:17 amZooey. Drop that zero, and get with a hero! You need a real man. I can fill your void, if you know what I mean.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:26 amThis man (Keith Olbermann) is in a catagory all his own, and it seems he is standing alone. If Americans could wake up to the reality of “the war on terror” and see it for what it is. This war was artificially created and is as opposite to solving terror as Orwellian double talk is to honesty. I remember when Bush said Iraq will be rembered only as a comma, in the book of history. Shortly after that they were saying the war on terror would last 50-100 years. Then the election brought the war out of the media controlled one sided view, yet most people in this country have no idea the true reality of the war , 911 provided us with about 2 hours worth. 911 started it all-take another look at the evidence, I am not talking conspiracy theory-I am saying there is evidence, not theory, evidence. You decide-google-video-911
May 24th, 2007 at 1:31 amSean you need to come out of the closet and stop snorting that meth. Didn’t you learn anything from your boyfriend Ted Haggard’s fiasco? Sooner or later, you’re gonna crack. Or maybe you’re straight but can’t get any pu$$Y and the sexual frustration is getting to you. Regardless, your a stupid, filthy, disgusting, unloved, depraved fatherless neocon. Now,I’d ask you to kill yourself, but then you couldn’t sulk in your misery. Hope you live to be 100!
May 24th, 2007 at 1:35 amHeck of a special comment. Pretty damn close to the mark.
These investigations better tie into something substantial – we’re getting tired of scolding letters, we want action – or it becomes clear that we’re staring down 18 months of slow, grisly discontent. In the corner of my mind I worry about what the real brokers of national defense would contemplate doing on their own to defend the nation from the people we elected.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:41 amWait a minute… How much money did Halliburton make on our whole Iraq trip here? This would fund the troops.. Remove Halliburton and any other American oil company from Iraq, The US should seize their profits and use that money to
May 24th, 2007 at 9:55 am1.) Fund our troops (complete with an exit strategy)
2.) Use a good portion of that money to really rebuild Iraq’s utilities and living spaces (since we promised and have not really done much about that)
3.) Use a portion of those monies to fund a true investigation on the events surrounding 911 (Yes a public investigation where evidence is NOT kept from the public – why all the secrecy after all?)
STOP THE WAR.
NOW.
(And I notice there are two “Seans” – so please don’t confuse us :-P).
~Sean
May 24th, 2007 at 10:59 am