Congress Must Reject The Toothless Supplemental
Congress Must Reject The Toothless Supplemental
Yesterday, congressional leaders relented and removed a timeline for withdrawal from the Iraq war spending bill.
The mainstream media reports today that war critics “handed President Bush a victory.” But this victory for President Bush is a defeat for the American people. While the new supplemental bill will likely pass, members of Congress need to use this opportunity to go on the record once more about their opposition to Bush’s course in Iraq.
With his veto, President Bush rejected a supplemental bill that required a change in course. In a similar vein, Congress should follow Speaker Pelosi’s lead and vote to reject a bill that maintains stay the course. Here’s why:
1) Maintain unity for withdrawal: Pelosi and Reid showed tremendous leadership in creating a bipartisan majority for withdrawal. That unity is now threatened. Those members “who reluctantly have backed House leaders on the Iraq spending bill may defect due to the leadership’s decision to eliminate any timeline for withdrawal from the legislation.” Furthermore, to pass the supplemental, many members favoring withdrawal may ally with conservatives who overhelmingly favor an open-ended commitment in Iraq.
2) A toothless option: The new bill will likely “incorporate the benchmarks-based provision authored by Sen. John Warner (R-VA.),” but “Bush could waive these requirements if he submits a report to Congress on why he is doing so.” The final bill is also likely to be “stripped of other features that Mr. Bush had previously resisted, including readiness standards that would have prevented troops from being returned to Iraq within one year of serving there or without adequate training and equipment.”
It doesn’t have to be this way. Congressional leaders need to live up to their word and continue to fight for a change of course in Iraq. We’ve laid out four possible courses of action for them to take.
But in the meantime, anyone who supports accountability for President Bush’s Iraq policy must reject this blank check for war.
UPDATE: Tell Congress not to support a blank check. Take action here.
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I agree completely, but wait and see what happens. This is the time to stand and fight. If they roll over again, the dems will completely own this quagmire.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:06 pmThis war must stop. There appears to be very few in Congress who have the courage to do what’s right….end the killing.
Iraqis are resisting. A majority of Americans want the war over. It’s time for the US government to do its duty, and represent the people.
now.
Some further reading:
“Open Letter to Congress: End the War Now”
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:06 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/an_open_letter_to_congress
I am stunned with disbelief!! Reading TP and the polling data often cited here, I would have thought Dems (with solid and growing numbers of anti-Bush constituents) would have made the “smart” political choice and swamped the Bush/Cheney/ice lifeboat…….I wondered why Dems caved in?
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:09 pmI WIN!!
You lose. Let it go. I win everytime. Florida in 2000. Ohio in 2004.
Then you all whine a lot about, but you will never get upset enough to do anything about it. You will continue to vote for corporate backed Democrats, Like Rahm Emmanuell and his ilk, that cut deals on terrible free trade pacts:
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/23/1386/
but you continue to think that Harry Reid will actually do something about my obvious election theft. I couldn’t be happier that the right-wing mission of making you all work twice as hard for less money, has left you with little time to be truly engaged enough to change a thing. YOU DESERVE WHATEVER I GIVE YOU AND NOTHING MORE!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:10 pmIt should be rejected, but not many in Congress have spines to stand-up to Bush. Rep. Kucinich is one of the few in the House with guts, and Sen. Feingold in the Senate, But Rep. Pelosi and Sen. Reid are wavering now.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:10 pmIt is time for the Democrats to draw a line in the sand, and caste out those congressmen who vote in favour of this supplemental.
They came in claiming their victory as a clear mandate against the Iraq war, if they do not take that mandate seriously, they do not take the voter and consequently do not deserve a single vote.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:11 pmValient,
They caved in because there really is no difference between the two parties.
You get all worked up over Dems for nuthin’ LOL.
Dems are generally edentulous. Like hillbillies.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:11 pmWell said. May all of my Congressional Delegation pay attention.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:12 pmIs there still room to introduce and fight for major amendments?
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:12 pmSorry, folks, but this is just clear evidence that the Dems are no better than the Repubs.
They’re different, to be sure, but in the final analysis, no better.
Had this Congress actually wanted to end this disastrous occupation, all they would have had to do is rescind the AUMF. No authorization, no war. Period. And the rescinding of the AUMF would not have been something Chimpy could have vetoed.
Congress’ failure to end the occupation in this fashion displays their tacit acceptance of this administration’s policies, notwithstanding all their vociferous opposition.
The two party system is a disease, and America can’t stand much more.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:12 pm1) Maintain unity for withdrawal: Pelosi and Reid showed tremendous leadership in creating a bipartisan majority for withdrawal. That unity is now threatened. Those members “who reluctantly have backed House leaders on the Iraq spending bill may defect due to the leadership’s decision to eliminate any timeline for withdrawal from the legislation.†Furthermore, to pass the supplemental, many members favoring withdrawal may ally with conservatives who overhelmingly favor an open-ended commitment in Iraq.
thinkprogress.org
Tremendous leadership? I talked to Pelosi and Reid personally, it was leadership, it was bribery. They bribed the Blue Dog Democratic members on Congress to approve of this bill.
If bribery is what thinkprogress.org thinks is leadership, the mob should be giving leadership courses.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:13 pmThey have lost my vote. I just assume see Indiana go back to being RED.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:13 pmI called Pelosi’s office to congratulate her but they said she would be in Greenland for the week watching ice melt.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:14 pm“If you want to show the world how a true democracy rights itself after being damaged, now is the time to honor your oath of office by demanding a thorough investigation of the reasons used to justify our present state of war. There is no statute of limitation on murder and treason.” Fom PopulistAmerica
Thanks, stoptheCORNS. The “nugget” above demonstrate why hardcore Progs are not embraced by middle-America. Most people are smart enough to remember congenital liar Al Gore saying the identical information about Iraq and Saddam……Hmmmmm…..I think the politicians you posture in front of have a credibility gap.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:14 pm#5 ~ There’s a difference between blocking legislation and allowing it to fail. It still needs to be voted on.
That being said, I think it will pass because until we can force a policy change on Iraq (and dear god, Iran) it doesn’t do anyone any good to strand the troops without support.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:16 pmI love it!
Your congress has the purse strings and they cave in. No backbone, no honesty, no integrity.
ROTFL
Be proud little liberals
ROTFL
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:16 pm#7 – 4Truth – If Dems are no different than Repubs, why were Progs so overjoyed in November? LOLOLOL Why did they “waste” so much time and money on a party not different from the group you despise?? Can you spell D-U-P-E-S? LOL!
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:17 pmTP: While the new supplemental bill will likely pass, members of Congress need to use this opportunity to go on the record once more about their opposition to Bush’s course in Iraq.
“Going on the record once more…” is not opposition!
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:20 pmMy fellow left wing Americans,
We lost, Bush won, as always. For being so dumb, this guy Bush can really play politics against us. I am starting to wonder who is dumber than Bush, Reid or Pelosi.
We Democratic politicians are cowards, we don’t stand for anything. As soon as the polls took a dive, the Democratic leadership saw that it needs to cave in to President Bush’s demand. We don’t stand for any type of ideology. We don’t have any core believes. All we have is the want and need for power. We crave it like a child craves sweets. The Democratic Party must stay in power at any cause, even if it means not keeping any of our campaing promises.
We know that left wingers are fools and regardless of what we do, they are more scared of Republicans getting back into power than caring about the Democratic leadership keeping their promises. This is why I am not worried. I did the same thing back during my first term in office. I broke every campaign promised made to my left winger friends and look, these idiots voted for me again.
Bush may have won this round, but we crave and want power so badly that we will do anything to stay in power.
Once again my fellow left wingers, follow me, follow me to the bottomless pit called a Socialist Utopia. We can all get there, just let me lead you like I led you back in teh 1990s, with scandals, bribery, stealing, etc.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:20 pmTime to ignore Valiant Anus, folks. Come to think of it, ANY time is time to ignore Valiant Anus.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:21 pmMighty Hag,
What? Nothing to contribute on the Goodling threads. I would think you’d want us to have the benefit of your “expertise.”
Heh.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:23 pmvaliant venus > you are 100% fascistic and enjoy Bush ruining the US. Did Dubya offer you the position of Concentration Camp Director yet?
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:25 pm#7 – 4Truth – If Dems are no different than Repubs, why were Progs so overjoyed in November? LOLOLOL Why did they “waste†so much time and money on a party not different from the group you despise?? Can you spell D-U-P-E-S? LOL!
Comment by valiant venus — May 23, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
Wait a minute, we are very different than the Republicans. We create social programs that keeps voters down, keeps them poor and makes them believe we care for them. Republicans push people to get jobs and make every effort to make it in life.
Republicans, as Reagan said, teach a man how to fish so he can eat for the rest of his life.
We Democrats keep on giving keep on giving our party members a fish a day so they have to keep on coming to us to not starve to death.
C’mon people great difference between our party.
I know, I was the leader of my party for 8 years.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:26 pm#13. You’re a dumb*ss. To assert that the congress made they’re decision to approve the war based on the same intelligence as Bush is laughable!
The difference is that Bush knew the “evidence” was cooked. The congress didn’t.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:28 pmKrank – The truth hurts – Progs, Greens, Indy’s and Dems worked their hearts (and wallets) out for a solid Democrat victory in November….and how have you been treated by those who owe their jobs to YOU? Not very well….with the exception of the predictably safe and comfortably ensconced Sen. Feingold and Congressmen Kucinich and Murtha. You poor wallfowers…..
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:29 pmvaliant venus
So you are admitting that your guys lied you into a war?
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:29 pmLet’s not forget that if the Dems had a veto-proof majority we would already have timelines in place.
That said, they should still be trying harder to do what they were elected to do…bring an end to Bush and the two preceding Congress’ massive failure in Iraq.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:29 pmCan somebody please just ban the idiot posting under the name President Clinton?
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:30 pmPresident Bush you killed another nine troops today – 3431
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:32 pmRepublicans, as Reagan said, teach a man how to fish so he can eat for the rest of his life.
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But only if you want and can afford to go to a private fishing school. The rest can just eat the worms.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:32 pmPresident Clinton is also President Bush
he changes names to suit his objective
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:33 pmPresident Clinton,
Again with the Reagan love. Are you ready to call Reagan a traitor for giving aid and WEAPONS to our ‘enemy’, Iran?
Teach a man to fish? I’m not sure why one couldn’t teach a man to fish while giving him a little something to get by as he learns. I would guess people learn better when they aren’t starving. Usually the drive for food, comes before the drive for knowledge. But there you righties go again using Biblical phrases as your moral compass. Why don’t you stone your kids for not listening to you? It is law according to the bible.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:33 pmvaliant venus
So you are admitting that your guys lied you into a war?
Comment by Bruce Gorton
I’m interested in the answer to that question as well, Bruce.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:34 pmHow long do you think we’ll have to wait?
I marched in the streets when the kill-monkey in chief had eighty f’ing percent approval ratings. When there were more pod-people countering the marches than people actually in the march. I DID support the troops, not wanting them to have to give their lives for a death-cult psychopath and his gaggle of treacherous, brainwashed freaks like the ones now crowing in the entries above. The only silver lining I can see here is that said death-cult psychopath owns this failed mission utterly and his desire to hang his failure on the opposition ain’t gonna happen. Meanwhile the troops die, failure piles on top of failure. How bad do things get before the brainwashing wears off? Wait and see…
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:34 pmDear goD – Monica Goodling is the fall-girl for Bush’s exercise in politically correct inclusiveness……nothing more….nothing less. Alberto Gonzalez has achieved much, but is playing in a legal league without the right equipment…..
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:35 pmBack on topic….. That Dem Party jacka$$ logo? Is that how anti-war Dems feel after the pathetic display of Dem “leadership” lately?
Al Gore saying the identical information about Iraq and Saddam……Hmmmmm…..I think the politicians you posture in front of have a credibility gap.
Comment by valiant venus
Then post it.
Everytime you liars post it … it is from that site that takes all the dems out of context and tries to make the same point you just tried to make.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:35 pmPresident Clinton,
You are right, there are differences. The Republican Party loves to defer revenue, and jack spending. Fiscal conservatism eh?
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:36 pmAs much as most here want the Dems to make a stand now (me included) they haven’t. But this only puts out the anguish and discust out to September. By then the next election will be breathing down the necks of all. The voices of true americans will only rise in volume and intensity by then.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:36 pmit doesn’t do anyone any good to strand the troops without support.
Comment by DM
No one is forcing bush to continue the fraud… he can bring them home any day.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:37 pmRepublicans, as Reagan said, teach a man how to fish so he can eat for the rest of his life.
________________________
But only if you want and can afford to go to a private fishing school. The rest can just eat the worms.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — May 23, 2007 @ 1:32 pm
No, we Democrats send our kids to private schools, but force you to send your kids to public schools, where they need to keep on coming back so they won’t die of starvation. We control what you eat so you vote for us over and over again.
Republicans on the other hand teach you how to fish so you can eat for the rest of your life. We just push for you to go to public schools so you keep on coming to us and voting for us.
You see, we Democratic politicians make Americans dependent on us, great way to keep on getting elected.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:37 pmCrump’s Brother……. You need to shut your mouth.
Reagan wasn’t a traitor for giving weapons to the Iranians. He was the President. When the President does something, that’s executive privilege.
He was a traitor for instituting the largest peace time tax increase in history. That senile SOB!!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:38 pmAwwww poor Bruce does not like someone using the beloved Clinton name. Does it hurt your little feelings?
If I was you what would bother me more is remembering that your beloved Clinton use to stick cigars in women’s vaginas while in the oval office. Now that is a legacy.
Bwaa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:38 pmI’m surprised Valiant Venus/Mighty Afrodite has time to post today, it must be break time for her between being grilled by Congress…
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:38 pmRep. Kucinich gave a excellent presentation on C-SPAN today, about the Big Oil corporations controlling the Bush Regime to exploit the Oil of Iraq. US Fiasco Occupation of Iraq is all about OIL and nothing else.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:39 pmThis war must stop–translation: We need to surrender to Iran and let them take over Iraq and it’s oil.
This open-ended commitment must end–translation: America should end its involvement in the “war on terrorism” (declare victory and go home) and let the rest of world deal with it as best it can as American foreign policy recedes into isolationism.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:39 pmCongress should simply pass a bill that has just enough money to buy tickets back to America for each and every American soldier… and thats it… the money can sit there on the table and as soon as bush wants it he can have it…
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:41 pmStay the corpse!
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:41 pmPresident Clinton,
Again with the Reagan love. Are you ready to call Reagan a traitor for giving aid and WEAPONS to our ‘enemy’, Iran?
Teach a man to fish? I’m not sure why one couldn’t teach a man to fish while giving him a little something to get by as he learns. I would guess people learn better when they aren’t starving. Usually the drive for food, comes before the drive for knowledge. But there you righties go again using Biblical phrases as your moral compass. Why don’t you stone your kids for not listening to you? It is law according to the bible.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 23, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
How dare you say that I love Reagan? how dare you?! He was a great leader, like I was, I’ll give him that, but he wasn’t smart enough to sell the Soviet Union ICBM technology like I sold it to the Chinese.
He wasn’t smart enough to create social programs that kept people dependent on his party. I did that.
You see, my party pretends to love people and to have family values, but at the end the only thing we care about is power, power and then, more power. It is the three “Ps” of politics. Any and all Democratic politicians know this.
Not to mention ggibson, my VP and I both made the same claims about Iraq and Al Qaeda that this administration made. that you don’t believe it, is another thing, but you can go back and research this and you will be shocked to find out that actually, Bush and I agreed on Al Qaeda and Iraq. Both a huge threat. Why do you think I bombed it back in 1998?
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:41 pmThis supports the argument we’ve been trying to communicate to you conspiracists that the skewed polls you’ve been worshiping for the last year are finally taking a dump on your heads. All those that believe in an increase in troops have been lumped in with “dissatisfied” numbers in these stupid polls. Hell, most of the Republican Presidential nominees can be lumped in this category. When you make baseless assertions and assume you have the power and the suppport, it comes back around and bites you in the ass.
Most Americans want success in Iraq because it is essential to thwarting the Islamic Fascist/Terrorists in their war against the West. Two countries understand the war (Italy and France will be more inclined to now) and the others are Neville Chamberlains reincarnated. This wasn’t a failure on tne anti-war crowd, it was a success for the rational thinking American who understands the threats are real….not just made up to gain power like some Orwellian strategy cooked up by Bush/Cheney. Wake up conspiracists……..this country needs you to work for us, not against us from the inside.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:42 pm#24 – No, Bruce. I’m saying that Progressives who criticize President Bush et al are HYPOCRITES if they do not slam Dems (with equal mewling) who were publicly wringing their impotent hands about Saddam and Iraq as far back as 1997. Seems like the collective memory of the Left is sharply limited…..
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:43 pmKudos to President Clinton on this site. His ability to take the hypocrisy of the left and remind them of historical facts is genius. Hats off to a true satirist. It reminds me of Hamilton and Franklin with their psuedonyms in their early days. No wonder some want to ban you from this site. lol.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:45 pmHeavy GOPer trolling in here today. Karl Rove has given them new disinformation talking points.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:45 pmZoooooette —– Not long…..
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:45 pmJose Chung,
By your logic, we should fight a war that could last, oh, forever.
I didn’t know we were at war with Iran. Hard to surrender to a country you’re not at war with.
You guys have no idea how to end this thing. When Iraq gets resolved, it wont be becaue we kept troops there for an extra 6 months or 6 years. It will be because the warring factions of that nation finally decided enough was enough.
What side of the civil war in Iraq do you think we should take?
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:46 pmCan somebody please just ban the idiot posting under the name President Clinton?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 23, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
How dare you ask for me to be banned from this site? Do you not know who I am? I will go Chinese embassy in Serbia on you if you try to stifle my freedom of speech!!!!!
Why do you we, left wingers, always claim to love freedom of speech, but then if someone posts something we don’t like we demand that this individual be banned, silenced, etc.
Are we truly hypocrites? Bruce seems to be. Stop embarrassing our party, we claim to love freedom of speech, let’s start acting on this.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:46 pmPresident Clinton,
Nice dodge.
Are you ready to call Reagan a traitor for giving aid and WEAPONS to our ‘enemy’, Iran?
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:47 pmTP why not do an article on this or are you complict in the cover up
US Theft of Iraq’s Oil: On House Floor Wednesday Morning
WASHINGTON DC – WEDNESDAY, MAY 23, 2007 – At approximately 11:00 a.m. today, Congressman Dennis Kucinich will invoke a rarely used procedure to offer a privileged motion claiming one hour of time to speak on the floor of the House of Representatives about current legislative plans to privatize Iraq’s oil. This will be the first time in Congress that there has been a full discussion of the covert efforts to accomplish privatization of Iraq’s oil through the supplemental spending bill.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:48 pmGo to MoveOn and put in your call to your congress creature, they have all the numbers up and a place to tell them the upshot of your conversation.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:48 pmMy congresswoman’s staff assured me that she would be voting against this piece of crap bill (well, not in those words), as I expected – Barbara Lee speaks for me!
NO MORE BLOOD FOR OIL.
Our soldiers are DYING for your SH*TTY gas mileage and gluttonous habits!
Whether by terrorists or by our own ignorance, America the Great is in the rearview mirror, never to be seen again.
That’s why Repukes are living in gated communities, hoarding the wealth. They SEE where this country is headed, and it’s straight down the sh*tter, and they’re fine with that as long as their investment portfolio is in the black.
PIGS, YE SHALL REAP WHAT YE SOWETH.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:48 pmBush told them there was lots of money for both parties once gas hit $5 a gallon. So more destablization of the Middle East is needed.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:49 pmBruce Gorton……….. I will not ban President Clinton from posting here. We all know he’s a jackass, and a brilliant President, but I don’t support silencing anyone.
Except that SOB Joe Wilson. I showed him and hot wife a thing a tow about talking out of turn.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:49 pmZoooooette —– Not long…..
Comment by valiant venus
Hey MA,
Everyone is asking for you on the Goodling threads. Not up to it, eh?
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:50 pmBravo, Eric!! The wishful-idiots of the Left saw every dissatisfied poll as a plus in their column. They conveniently overlooked the disgust most Repubs had with the out of control spending of the Republican Congress, the lack of border enforcement, etc. and leapt to the assumption that such dissatisfaction was ALL about the war. Poor things!
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:50 pmCrump’s Brother
President Clinton
President Bush
are all the same guy . he posts ridiculous questions then answer them himself under another name because most people blank him
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:51 pmHere, do something, sign the Iraq Vote Pledge:
http://www.democrats.com/iraq-vote-pledge
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:51 pmMy congresswoman’s staff assured me that she would be voting against this piece of crap bill (well, not in those words), as I expected – Barbara Lee speaks for me!
Comment by SKdeA
Stop bragging! Waaaah!
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:51 pmTobey > I watched Kucinich give his presentation today on C-SPAN. I wish CNN had covered it. He laid out the proof that Bush’s occupation of Iraq has always been about its OIL and nothing else.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:53 pmAwesome
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:53 pmPresident Clinton,
Nice dodge.
Are you ready to call Reagan a traitor for giving aid and WEAPONS to our ‘enemy’, Iran?
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 23, 2007 @ 1:47 pm
Are you ready to call me a traitor for selling the Chinese our ICBM technology? I did it, and none of my dear friends on the left seemed to mind as much as they minded the whole Iran Contra clow show.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:54 pmUS Congress Targets OPEC
The US Congress has voted to brand OPEC’s efforts to control world oil prices illegal.
And with support of the legislation strong in the Senate as well, President Bush could soon be thrust into the unenviable
position of siding with OPEC producers at a time of painfully high gasoline prices in the US.
MEANWHILE
Iran, Iraq coordinating in OPEC to control price of oil: Iraqi minister
Tehran Times Political Desk
TEHRAN – There is continuous coordination between Iran and Iraq in OPEC to control the price of oil, Iraqi Oil Minister
Hussein Shahristani said in an interview with the Mehr News Agency on Tuesday.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:55 pmZooey > all the GOPer trolls have been told by Karl Rove to try to sink this thread. The other threads are not important to them.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:55 pmTobey Tall
I have nothing to do with either President. Sorry to burst your bubble.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:55 pmAre you ready to call me a traitor for selling the Chinese our ICBM technology? I did it, and none of my dear friends on the left seemed to mind as much as they minded the whole Iran Contra clow show.
Comment by President Clinton
You dumbass! China is NOT an enemy, they OWN OUR ASS!!!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:57 pmJoin the IGNORE VALIANT DOUCHE BAG CLUB – simple rules to join – Don’t read or respond to any posts that idiot makes – simple.
It will work wonders for you, you’ll sleep better, cures headaches, backaches and dry eyes.
Join today !!!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:59 pmPresident Clinton,
The ICBM crap you bringing up was a theft and not a ’selling’.
Quit dodging and answer the question. Are you ready to call Reagan a traitor for giving aid and WEAPONS to our ‘enemy’, Iran?
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:59 pm“Hey MA, Everyone is asking for you on the Goodling threads. Not up to it, eh?” Comment by Zooey
Why? Bob Bennett can represent her if she needs help….
(Note to Dems: If you want to turn the Monica Goodling Hour into a disaster, treat her as “well” as you treat Condi Rice…..Women’s Lib or no Women’s Lib – - you will come across as mysogynistic as Ted Kennedy if you don’t allow her to finish her answers and reduce her to fidgeting tears – you’re welcome.)
’til later……..
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:00 pmStarving the Americans Out
Someone in the Green Zone leaked the following memo, which shows that US personnel are now actually facing difficulties in getting food by convoy up from Kuwait. They avoid local food in the Baghdad region because of the danger guerrillas will poison it.
http://www.juancole.com/
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:01 pmAre you ready to call me a traitor for selling the Chinese our ICBM technology? I did it, and none of my dear friends on the left seemed to mind as much as they minded the whole Iran Contra clow show.
Comment by President Clinton
You dumbass! China is NOT an enemy, they OWN OUR ASS!!!!
Comment by Not Canadian Yet — May 23, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Yes my left wing friend, China owns us thanks to me, me and then me. I could have done something about the Chinese back during my 8 years in office, instead I chose to sell them our military secrets.
Don’t forget that when my VPs hardrive was lost, it was later found on the desk of a Chinese national that was later convicted of spying.
Let me tell you, I sneaked into his office, Watergate like, and I took his hard drive and I then paid off my personal FBI agent to give it to the Chinese nationl.
It was fun playing Agent 007, but for the Chinese.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:01 pm‘Due to a theater-wide delay in food delivery, menu selections will be limited for the near future. While every effort will be made to provide balanced meals, it may not be possible to offer the dishes you are used to seeing at each meal. Fresh fruits and salad bar items will also be severely limited or unavailable.
The informant adds his own comment:
The bottom line is that our troops depend on a ground supply line that runs from Kuwait to the various bases in Iraq. When I was in Iraq last year at the U.S. base in Balad I had the chance to eat four meals a day–breakfast, lunch, dinner, and midnight rations (midrats). If you like late nights the midrats were great–steak, eggs, pancakes. Pretty good food. Well, based on this memo, it looks like those were the good old days. We don’t have enough convoys to give our troops three hot meals a day. ‘
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:02 pmCrump’s Brother,
We don’t “end this thing” by surrendering to terrorists. We “end this thing” by defeating them.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:04 pmJay Randal – Conservatives LOVE this thread – it aptly demonstrates what we have known ALL along – - Dems politicians could care less about you – look how the the urban poor have fared under Dem dictatorships. They want your vote and your money – PERIOD!
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:04 pmPresident Clinton,
The ICBM crap you bringing up was a theft and not a ’selling’.
Quit dodging and answer the question. Are you ready to call Reagan a traitor for giving aid and WEAPONS to our ‘enemy’, Iran?
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 23, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
My left wing American,
is this what you have been brainwashed to believe? Sorry to burst your bubble, but take it from me the Saxophone President, I, my administration sold military secrets to the Chinese.
So, when you are ready to call me and the rest of my administration traitors and mean it, I will do the same with Regan. If you think Reagan was a teflon President, you are wrong. The teflon President was me!
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:04 pmi thought the libs won last november cuz it was the will of the people that wanted us out of iraq. guess not. just a campaign issue. business as usual.
now they are forced to shove the minimum wage hike onto the iraq bill or that campaign promise would never happen either
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:06 pmStarving the Americans Out – PROBLEMS
http://www.juancole.com/
Someone in the Green Zone leaked the following memo, which shows that US personnel are now actually facing difficulties in getting food by convoy up from Kuwait. They avoid local food in the Baghdad region because of the danger guerrillas will poison it.
‘Due to a theater-wide delay in food delivery, menu selections will be limited for the near future. While every effort will be made to provide balanced meals, it may not be possible to offer the dishes you are used to seeing at each meal. Fresh fruits and salad bar items will also be severely limited or unavailable.
The informant adds his own comment:
The bottom line is that our troops depend on a ground supply line that runs from Kuwait to the various bases in Iraq. When I was in Iraq last year at the U.S. base in Balad I had the chance to eat four meals a day–breakfast, lunch, dinner, and midnight rations (midrats). If you like late nights the midrats were great–steak, eggs, pancakes. Pretty good food. Well, based on this memo, it looks like those were the good old days. We don’t have enough convoys to give our troops three hot meals a day. ‘
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:06 pmCrump’s Brother,
We don’t “end this thing†by surrendering to terrorists. We “end this thing†by defeating them.
Comment by Jose Chung — May 23, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
I didn’t surrender to Hillary. I did Monica, over and over and over again and I still have Hillary.
and Sandy Berger told me that it was bad to fight wars, is this true?
I always feel so guilty about not getting Osama Bin Laden. I was more interested in creating my legacy and making sure that history remembered me as the greatest President ever, even greater than Washington and Lincoln, that I neglected my duties in the Oval Office. Well of course except using it to secude and screw interns.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:07 pmWrong again, Clinton:
China owns our ass LITERALLY, FINANCIALLY. Ninety-nine percent of all goods are manufactured there, so big fat lazy Americans can afford to feel special with their abundance of needless spending on JUNK.
And don’t get me started on the DEBT we owe them. The REAL economy is headed down the sh*tter too, thanks to Dumbya’s inability to effectively manage the U.S. fiscal agenda (see: IRAQ).
“Heckuva job, Dumbya!”
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:07 pmJose Chung
You cannot defeat terrorism. It will always exist. It’s a tactic and not an enemy. This is an idea war, and you cannot win idea wars with guns. It just doesn’t work that way.
But since your so insistent, I suggest you enlist, grab a weapon, and stand a post my noble warrior!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:07 pmThey want your vote and your money – PERIOD!
Comment by valiant venus
Same shoe, other foot. And you’re a tool to the Repukes, so, WHAT’S YOUR POINT? That you’re an idiot too! Thanks for the info…
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:08 pmThe problem lies in (and everyone in congress knows it) is that we have 14 major permanent bases in Iraq, and one HUGH Embassy Fortress, and that means we will not ever be leaving Iraq. So the timeline means nothing.
Now Osama attacked us because of the Airbase in Saudi Arabia, not our freedoms which we once had, because of the base in his country. Well, now we have 14 bases in Iraq, how do you think the people in that area are gonna react to that, and the fact that we simply want their OIL. Maybe more terrorists? You betcha, so what to do, that is the question that congress is struggling with. Cause there is simply no good answer to it.
Hating the Repukian Mafia daily
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:09 pmWhy? Bob Bennett can represent her if she needs help….
Comment by valiant venus
Way to dodge, Haggie! You’re always so eager to give us — not the Goody child — the benefit of your vast legal expertise, why not now?
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:11 pmJay Randal – Conservatives LOVE this thread – it aptly demonstrates what we have known ALL along – - Dems politicians could care less about you – look how the the urban poor have fared under Dem dictatorships. They want your vote and your money – PERIOD!
Comment by valiant venus — May 23, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
Valiant,
How dare you insult my fellow left wingers by telling them the truth?!
You need to be silenced. You are letting out our secrets. Repeat after me, “Democratic politicians always keep campaign promises!”
Ask left wingers how in the early part of my administration I kept my campaign promise and I pushed for and supported the “don’t ask, don’t tell policy of the armed forces.” Oh wait, I promised the oppossite didn’t I.
hmmmm…..never mind.
Ok, better yet, I kept my campaign promise of creating the best education system in the world! Oh wait….under me education actually got worst.
Ok, I have it now, I kept myu campaing promise when I created and put into law an incredible health care system. Oh wait, Hillary grab me by the balls back in 1993 and ‘94 and destroyed my plans.
hmmm….just take my word for it, we Democratic politicians keep our campaing promises. Ask Pelosi and Reid. They promised to have a more open congress and they are no holding secret nightly meetings, just like the Republicans were.
Ok, I’ll shut up for now, just take my word for it. We keep our promises.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:11 pmTHE WAR ON TERROR = EURASIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EASTASIA.
But I wouldn’t expect Repukes to actually apply anything they’ve EVER learned.
The only digest talking points from Chickenhawk, drug-addled, COWARDS.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:12 pmJose Chung
You cannot defeat terrorism. It will always exist. It’s a tactic and not an enemy. This is an idea war, and you cannot win idea wars with guns. It just doesn’t work that way.
But since your so insistent, I suggest you enlist, grab a weapon, and stand a post my noble warrior!!
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 23, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
Crump,
do you think he should enlist like I did? I sent Americans into harms way, Americans died in wars that I started. Does this mean that I was a bad President because I sent American troops into harms way and I had never served a day in my life?
In fact, I ran away from the USA like a chicken.
Am I not a chicken-hawk too?
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:13 pmPresident Clinton aka, “right wing tool”
Reagan was a traitor of the highest order. You are an idiot to think there is something even remotely similar between a President that knowingly signs off on weapons deals with ’sworn enemies’ of our nation, and a stolen hard drive. But you can bring yourself to say it. You can’t let Reagans own admission be enough. You must use that old chestnut of “Clinton did it to” that all you righties use to justify your immoral behavior. As if two wrongs make it right. Even though in this case, there was not two wrongs. Just one. Reagan giving weapons to Iran.
Have a nice day.
By the way, it was Nixon, not Clinton that opened up China for economic purposes. Get your f*cking facts straight.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:14 pmOne thing I have to ask, “Why do you guys read or even respond to posts from idiots like Pres Clinton/Bush/Patti/Valiant…they are idiots?”
I personally never read their crap, if they signed it, I skip over it because it is pure crap.
I think everyone would have a much better and productive time if you just ignored them altogether.
Ignore them, they are morons.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:15 pmTHE WAR ON TERROR = EURASIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EASTASIA.
But I wouldn’t expect Repukes to actually apply anything they’ve EVER learned.
The only digest talking points from Chickenhawk, drug-addled, COWARDS.
Comment by Not Canadian Yet — May 23, 2007 @ 2:12 pm
Are you talking about me? I promise I never inhaled!!!!
And Barack Obama did cocaine just for a little bit, during his four years in college and afterwards. So stop talking about him that way!
He is my “Magic Negro” (Just ask the LA Times) and I will go Chinese Embassy in Serbia on you if you keep on insulting him like that.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:15 pmCan you spell D-U-P-E-S? LOL!
Comment by valiant venus — May 23, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
That would be anyone with less than a 9 figure annual income, after taxes.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:16 pmClinton,
I was not referring to the Bush grabbing a weapon was I? I was referring to you mindless automotons who beg for more war, who scream for us to ’see it through’, then, when our military needs your type the most, you don’t sign up.
Talk is cheap. If you think this is a just and noble war, then enlist and fight it out.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:17 pmCan you spell D-U-P-E-S? LOL!
Comment by valiant venus — May 23, 2007 @ 1:17 pm
That would be anyone with less than a 9 figure annual income, after taxes.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — May 23, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
yeap, Kerry, Edwards, Pelosi, me, my wife, Murtha, Kennedy, M. Moore etc
we who are beyond filthy rich and we supposedly are for the poor people, but aren’t willing to give a penny to them from our income.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:19 pmoh great. Now we have the mighty valiant one, talking to herself (President Clinton).
Please please please mighty? Tell us the one of your dead baby, and the jokes your remaining children told regarding the deceased.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:19 pmI don’t think I could ever get enough dead baby stories, especially when equivaliting them to Liberals.
Gawd, how I miss those stories, mighty.
Maybe you could tell us again, only using your new moniker, President Clinton!
Clinton,
I was not referring to the Bush grabbing a weapon was I? I was referring to you mindless automotons who beg for more war, who scream for us to ’see it through’, then, when our military needs your type the most, you don’t sign up.
Talk is cheap. If you think this is a just and noble war, then enlist and fight it out.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 23, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
But I didn’t join when my military needed me, and I sent troops into harms way.
so why am I not a chickenhawk?
Are you telling the smarters President ever to step foot on the Oval Office rug that you are smarter than him?
I never understood why everyone on the left demands that Bush’s daughter join the military, yet no one the left demanded that of my daughgter when I sent American troops into harms way.
I always start smelling hypocrisy from my side when all this chickenhawk thing gets thrown around.
what do you think?
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:21 pmClinton,
I was not referring to the Bush grabbing a weapon was I? I was referring to you mindless automotons who beg for more war, who scream for us to ’see it through’, then, when our military needs your type the most, you don’t sign up.
Talk is cheap. If you think this is a just and noble war, then enlist and fight it out.
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 23, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
Furthermore, all my friends on the left thought that attacking Serbia was a noble war, none of them enlisted. Was this bad?
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:22 pmWe are living through a surreal period in history; yet another rise of totalitarian governments around the world.
The true kings and princes are the wealthy elite who run the show behind the scenes. I suppose they’re quite amused with our cries for equality and the rule of law.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:23 pmSomeone got their palm greased. I can’t believe that Pelosi/Reid et al just folded tents and left the fight. The President is irrelevent and yet they blinked at his empty threats. You should have let him veto every bill until they ran out of ink and kept sending him the same timelines. Shame on you, the people will continue to search for those who represent our thoughts. Apparently, we aren’t there yet and some of those who vote for this compromise bill will identify themself as ready to be replaced in 2008.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:30 pm“That would be anyone with less than a 9 figure annual income, after taxes.” Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Braid Faire – Your CLASS-envy always seems to surface when you comment on someone else’s income……Bad form!! Now do us all a favour and research how many wealthy Dems send their kids to their neighbourhood public schools??? That should keep you busy for five or more minutes….. Hmmmm…….
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:31 pmClinton/Bush,
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:31 pmAt least Barack admitted his drug use, unlike Dumbya, who tried to hide his DWI.
But what would you know about honesty and integrity?
This congress better fund out troops – blank check or not. They will add benchmarks, what more do you people want? Timelines are neither acceptable nor feasible.
I believe that the House must somehow pass a clean troop funding bill ahead of Ambassador Pelosi’s return.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:31 pmPresident Clinton,
“I never understood why everyone on the left demands that Bush’s daughter join the military, yet no one the left demanded that of my daughgter when I sent American troops into harms way.”
I never suggested as such. But I would if they were out in the open demanding we continue the war in Iraq.
“Furthermore, all my friends on the left thought that attacking Serbia was a noble war, none of them enlisted. Was this bad?”
No, because our military wasn’t stretched to the breaking point as it is now. If Clinton’s supporters had been screaming for unending war there, and the military was stretched to its limits, then yes, those that want more war in those situations should sign up. Clinton had a plan that was executed by Wes Clark to perfection.
That is why I say that if you are down for this war, but are not fighting, you should sign up, or you are a coward. No one disagrees that the military is stretched too thin. So help out guy!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:31 pmnational initiative. It’s time has come.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:32 pmbRAID Faire – Equality does not mean equality of outcome…..unless you’re a totalitarian communist……
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:32 pmDavid B. – I feel your pain. To be led to believe Dems were on a different course internationally…..and then have them step on your hand with their stilletto heels must be disconcerting!
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:34 pm“Congressional leaders need to live up to their word and continue to fight for a change of course in Iraq.”
Wha? But your boy Rahm Emanuel said this bill was a great triumph for the anti-Iraq war crowd….
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:39 pm#104 Clinton/Bush,
At least Barack admitted his drug use, unlike Dumbya, who tried to hide his DWI.
But what would you know about honesty and integrity?
Comment by Not Canadian Yet — May 23, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
Does that include integrity like “I did not inhale”?
ROTFL
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:46 pmSomeone explain to David B #102 that maybe his thoughts aren’t inline with mainstream America. I know he’ll be stunned that most Americans believe in success and that they want the war to accomplish it’s primary goal of stabilization of the Middle East. Just like a panicking investor, lefties see any signs of downward movement as an immediate signal to abandon ship. Can you imagine if their ilk were in charge during the Pacifice theater? They would have bailed at Pearl Harbor. Get a stomach and realize that blood is always spilled when it tries to destory democracy and freedom. I thought Neville Chamberlain was discredited but apparently he has spawned a new generation of viral children.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:48 pmFaggy Guy,
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:54 pmI’m not defending Clinton , dipsh*t.
Just like a panicking investor, lefties see any signs of downward movement as an immediate signal to abandon ship.
Comment by Eric #112
Try and wrap what miniscule gray matter you may have in that softened cranium around THIS:
…if a thing is WRONG in the beginning…
…it will be WRONG in the middle…
…and certainly WRONG in the end…
…WE do not embrace the WRONG, and abandoned it (IRAQ) from the very beginning…
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:57 pmEric,
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:58 pmSTFU, or go enlist. If you TRULY believe in this cause, you should be willing to die for it. But like mose p*ssy coward Repukes, they don’t actually love America enough to sacrifice ANYTHING for it.
“Heckuva job, in-breds!”
Yep, as usual, if it’s bad for the US troops, the willfully ignorant W lackeys/trolls are all for it, this time celebrating giving their clueless Dear Leader another blank check that okays sending more armor-underequipped troops into combat, extending their deployments, cutting back on their down time between tours and badly needed training
As we’ve seen with Katrina, Rita and the tornadoes that wiped out Kansas recently, these trolls also support fighting “terrorists over there” while yawning off anything non-terrorist related that causes death and destruction here at home
I’m sure those who died in the immediate aftermath of Katrina appreciate that they weren’t killed by terrorists, just a lethally slow federal rescue & relief operation by FEMA, an agency that worked well under Slick Clinton, but completely fell apart after W first slithered into the Presidency via unelected activist judges
Since W has no problems giving a free pass to al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Usama bin Laden, then the trolls supporting W enthusiastically endorse those groups launching further terrorists attacks against US interests around the world
I notice VV is still posting, although, with initials that can be shortened to V2, which was also a Nazi rocket, the irony is surely intentional, considering just how much of the Nazis ideology V2 obviously shares
But once again, the W lackeys/trolls just pay lip service to the Victory their glorious leader has achieved, as, if they were serious about celebrating, they’d be the first ones over in Iraq, operating under the same conditions all US troops have to operate under
Then again, if the W lackeys/trolls aim is as faulty as their logic, perhaps it’s safer for the troops if the W ChickenHawk lackeys/trolls stay safely behind the keyboards
The Dems caved now, the GOP is already caving, and just watch how they cut the W anchor off the rapidly sinking USS GOP the closer we get to the 2008 elections
That’s why the GOP isn’t going nuts celebrating here, because they know nothing will rally the public around W EVER again, and that the longer their idiotic Iraq campaign goes on, the more overwhelmingly the public will repudiate all its enablers at the polls in November, 2008
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:08 pmJill at Jack and Jill politics recently posted another one of her challenging post.
Yes, I said challenging post, because she challenges all of us.
This challenge is about America’s war on Iraq and the lack of conversation on black blogs about the disguised hypocrisy of America on this critical issue. Jill recently wrote that she is frustrated like most African Americans on the continuing failure to set a timetable on Iraq. She feels that members of Congress and the political blogs are ignoring African-Americans, in part I think because we have not blogged as much about Iraq as other issues.
I agree we Jill. Black bloggers should get more vocal about the war. We need to do what Malcolm and Martin taught us, become more international in our conversation. We need to comment of the Iraq war as they did about the War in Vietnam and the war against our people.
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:12 pmComment by valiant venus — May 23, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
You are the one reading class envy into my remarks. Could I be hitting too close to home for your comfort? You’re not one of the sublimely rich.
You fail to realize you are just cannon fodder as well.
we’re heading towards an extinction event
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:14 pmUnfortunately, the damage is done. Yes, all Dems should vote against the bill. But by allowing this bill to come to the floor, Pelosi and Reid have signed death warrants for our troops at least through the summer.
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:16 pmIt’s unconscionable.
“You are the one reading class envy into my remarks. Could I be hitting too close to home for your comfort? You’re not one of the sublimely rich.
You fail to realize you are just cannon fodder as well.
we’re heading towards an extinction event”Comment by Briseadh na Faire
You’re right, I’m not “sublimely rich” – and you’re the one who manages to whine about your pay scale given your educational achievements. Just a quick “q” – you seem a trifle down – have you been throwing ominous runes lately?
Back on topic – With this latest sell-out of Dems by Reid et al. who are you leaning to support for President?
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:30 pmDear notCanadianyet – Why wait?? – NO ONE is stopping you….and I PROMISE, the door won’t hit you on the backside when you leave…..
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:31 pmStop bragging! Waaaah!
Comment by Zooey — May 23, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Sorry Zooey!
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:32 pmLife is good in Oakland… how you doing?
VV, does it matter who we support for president until we clean up the Justice department, and jail the people who stole the vote in the last two presidential elections?
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:35 pmFirst things first.
Impeachment is also really viable, and getting more so every day. No we don’t have the votes, yet. But at the rate that members of this administration are turning on each other, and pointing the fingers ever upward, it is only a matter of time.
Cranky – How clever!! Another Prog calling me a Nazi? You must stay up all night thinking up such original material. Darn, you aren’t even original in your “clever” assessment re: spineless Dem leadership……Maybe you try pilfering some new material……
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:39 pmPresident Clinton,
“I never understood why everyone on the left demands that Bush’s daughter join the military, yet no one the left demanded that of my daughgter when I sent American troops into harms way.â€
I never suggested as such. But I would if they were out in the open demanding we continue the war in Iraq.
“Furthermore, all my friends on the left thought that attacking Serbia was a noble war, none of them enlisted. Was this bad?â€
No, because our military wasn’t stretched to the breaking point as it is now. If Clinton’s supporters had been screaming for unending war there, and the military was stretched to its limits, then yes, those that want more war in those situations should sign up. Clinton had a plan that was executed by Wes Clark to perfection.
That is why I say that if you are down for this war, but are not fighting, you should sign up, or you are a coward. No one disagrees that the military is stretched too thin. So help out guy!!
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 23, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
Well that is what I thought Mr. Crump’s Brother. You see, I never did any wrong in the eyes of sycophant followers of mine like you. My administration did no wrong either in the eyes of sycophant followers of m ine like you.
Please, educate yourself. Just like today, the Republicans are being hypocrites by not accepting benchmarks since they demanded this from me during the Serbian war. Democratic Politicians are the ones being hypocrites since they were the ones fighting the benchmarks that the Republicans were demanding during the Serbian war.
thus, I ask you again, what is the difference?
and you never answered, am I a chickenhawk for sent American troops into harms way and yet I refused to serve in the armed forces?
Why am I not a chickenhawk? and by your standards, my wife, my buddy Edward, my “magic negro” and most of the Democratic politicians that are running for the Presidency should never send troops into harms way, since most of them haven’t serve in the armed forces.
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:41 pm#104 Clinton/Bush,
At least Barack admitted his drug use, unlike Dumbya, who tried to hide his DWI.
But what would you know about honesty and integrity?
Comment by Not Canadian Yet — May 23, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
Does that include integrity like “I did not inhale�
ROTFL
Comment by Happy Guy — May 23, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
So, it is ok that Barack Obama did cocaine since he admitted to doing it, eh? It is ok that I did Marijuana (like this is hte only drug I did in the 60s and 70s) because I admit to it.
But Bush is evil becausee there are rumors, nothing proven, rumors that he did cocaine?
Ah my sycophant followers, I always smell hypocrisy from our side of the eisle.
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:43 pmSkedaddle – Still whining about the election after several lib papers conducted STATEWIDE Florida recounts?? – - and you stupidly shoot what little credibility you might have had by never mentioning theelection fleecing for Dems by radical ACORN, and the other freak and weirdo “sidekicks”.
My prediction – - Your impeachment payback “pipe dream” will go the way of Harry “Tokyo” Reid and the Amazing Pelosi Magic Show. Those “leaders” you cheered in November are a bunch of smoke and mirror con artists who play on your wishful thinking……but they mean well…..
Tooodles……..
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:46 pmSorry Zooey!
Life is good in Oakland… how you doing?
Comment by SKdeA
I wish I were in Oakland. :}
Google “Moscow, Idaho shooting” for the latest. Oy.
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:52 pmV2 Hag has stored up her venom for several days. She had to come back here to spew because the pustules on her face were getting out of hand.
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:53 pmValiant,
Does your penile implant cause THAT MUCH discomfort?
p.s. it’s supposed to be attached in FRONT.
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:07 pmCranky – How clever!! Another Prog calling me a Nazi? You must stay up all night thinking up such original material. Darn, you aren’t even original in your “clever†assessment re: spineless Dem leadership……Maybe you try pilfering some new material……
Comment by valiant venus — May 23, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
All I did “V2-The Nazi Rocket That Constantly Misfires Here”-is take advantage of YOUR idiocy in giving yourself such an easy online ID to mock
I’m guessing it sure must suck when you undercut your own easily-debunked blather with your own ID choice
Of course, you COULD post under another name, but then you’d admit being the dullest knife in the drawer or the most dim bulb in the chandelier to start with, so I doubt that will happen
But even if you did, you’ll ALWAYS be “V2, The Nazi Rocket That Constantly Misfires Here” to me
Oh, and while even though the US troops are the ones getting screwed with this cave in-so of course a Taliban-sympathizing, US-hating ChickenHawk like yourself is all for it-it’s not likely this will turn W’s political fortunes around in the long term, if anything, it’s likely that the cheers and grins now at the White House will be back to their usual frowns within the next day or so, seeing as how the circular firing squad making up the Administration and GOP never seem to run out of ammo for their completely self-inflicted political fiascoes, like purging loyal US Attorneys and trying to cover it up with ever-shifting stories that change depending on what the latest released documents and e-mails show
And absolutely nothing will turn W’s clearly incompetent military leadership around for the better, even when his political enemies cravenly save his worthless, warmongering, lunatic ChickenHawk ass from itself
At this point, “V2, The Nazi Rocket That Always Misfires Here”, you cannot logically or rationally claim to support both President Jr and the Troops under his command, no matter how fervently you may whine, bleat or screech otherwise
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:13 pmJust call valiant for what it is. Ann Coulter
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:16 pmWith this latest sell-out of Dems by Reid et al. who are you leaning to support for President?
Comment by valiant venus — May 23, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Still Kucinich, so far. Why, do you want me to run?
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:26 pmThe difference is that Bush knew the “evidence†was cooked. The congress didn’t.
Then that means that the “Congress” are a bunch of gullible morons. I and many other “lay-people” KNEW the Chimp and his band of criminals were lying all along.
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:31 pmValiant,
Does your penile implant cause THAT MUCH discomfort?
p.s. it’s supposed to be attached in FRONT.
Comment by Not Canadian Yet
Funny!!!!!!:D
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:41 pmFILIBUSTER THE BILL IN THE SENATE — SOMEONE — ANYONE
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:43 pm* Come on, Democrats: your November testosterone shot must be wearing off because your balls are shrinking. PLEASE grow ‘em back: NO BLANK CHECK!
from http://seriouskidding.com/
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:45 pmCongress has no obligation to vote for Bush’s expanded expansion.
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:53 pmI am saddened that WE must somehow show STRENGTH in UNITY as we hopefully voice our COLLECTIVE DISPLEASURE at the lack of COURAGE by our DEMOCRATIC leadership!
STILL, this in NO WAY means that I will abandon my resolve to voice my opposition to GWB and his CROOKS for their ILLEGAL activities and war crimes. I WILL NEVER nor could EVER be a part of a BIGOTED, RACIST, and CORRUPT party (as the REPUBLICAN PARTY has proven to be).
It is my hope that we SEE who the TRUE enemies of freedom and democracy are, and look for ways to REMOVE career POLITICIANS from CONGRESS and restore it to the people!!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:53 pmVote Green
May 23rd, 2007 at 5:01 pmBraid Faire – Kucinich is the most constant candidate running for the Dems. Liberals of yesteryear favoured George McGovern – contemporary liberals/progressives have Kucinich. Too bad he won’t be nominated – he’s the most honest liberal (however, naive) candidate Dems have. Bill Richardson is the most electable Dem, but his pro-business common sense will sink him outside the Southwest.
Leaving downtown SD yesterday I saw a “Biden ‘08″ bumpersticker – must have been a relative of his…..
May 23rd, 2007 at 5:33 pmominous runes lately?
Comment by valiant venus — May 23, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
in a word:
May 23rd, 2007 at 6:48 pmThe quips and insults are amusing, but where is the discussion concerning the Supplemental Bill?
May 23rd, 2007 at 8:33 pmIt took 10 years and the largest mugging ever (9/11) to get the US back into Iraq. Why do so many here seem to think that everything will be solved by one vote in the House? If you’re mad at the Democratic leadership, communicate that to them.
But you may want to check Meteorblade’s thread at Kos; repeatedly sending the same bill to be vetoed will simple reinforce the prevalent idea among many, if not most, citizens that the Democrats are responsible for any lack of funding by the troops in Iraq. That way lies defeat for any exit from Iraq.
The bright (?) side is that, slowly, more and more citizens are waking up to who is actually responsible. The President’s approval ratings are at 30, give or take a point; support for defunding Iraq is in the 40’s and at present there is not a veto-proof majority in either House.
Hopefully we can stick together long enough to prevent any further acts of despotism by the present Administration as well as start cleaning up the mess they have made.
But you may want to check Meteorblade’s thread at Kos; repeatedly sending the same bill to be vetoed will simple reinforce the prevalent idea among many, if not most, citizens that the Democrats are responsible for any lack of funding by the troops in Iraq.
So, what are you saying? We need to send more young people to be blown to bits because we’re afraid some people will say bad things about us? F%ck ‘em!
The Dems COULD have ended the war WITHOUT A BILL. All they needed to do was NOT offer a bill to fund it. They caved. They signed a death warrant for our troops…and many innocent civilians.
It IS simple: no money, no war. But too many of the Dems, including their “leadership” have no conscience. They’re weak, fearful and they don’t care enough about the people who are dying. They also said “f%ck yourself” to the 70% of us who demanded that our troops be brought home.
No apologies. No forgiveness. We need to show OUR resolve; if the political process doesn’t work…and it doesn’t…we need to destroy the tyranny in our country through non-cooperation. Like Gandhi, or the Czechs in the 90s.
There ARE some good Dems…like Feingold. But they can’t save our democracy or our troops. We’ll have to do it ourselves. And it won’t take place at the ballot box. If we want our freedom, we’ll have to demand it in the streets. Period.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:25 pmSkedaddle – Still whining about the election after several lib papers conducted STATEWIDE Florida recounts?? – - and you stupidly shoot what little credibility you might have had by never mentioning theelection fleecing for Dems by radical ACORN, and the other freak and weirdo “sidekicksâ€. Comment by valiant venus — May 23, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
BAHAHA, you lecturing others on *credibility* while shopping the Acorn nonsense? Why don’t you tell me about those two Ohio election officials that went to jail for rigging the 2004 Ohio recount? Now when you talk about those papers *conducting* the recount, you mean when they had the recount independently conducted? Wow, such sour grapes – don’t blame you, considering how much your party has to be ashamed of with voting rights. If Acorn is the best (and apparently only) thing you have, then BAHAHAAHA!!!! Tell me, was that the same set of attacks that came from your favorite GOP voting rights group, that isn’t in existence anymore after coming under its own scrutiny for *false* allegations? Idiot!
My prediction – - Your impeachment payback “pipe dream†will go the way of Harry “Tokyo†Reid and the Amazing Pelosi Magic Show. Those “leaders†you cheered in November are a bunch of smoke and mirror con artists who play on your wishful thinking……but they mean well….. Tooodles…….. Comment by valiant venus — May 23, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
Oh, dear st*pid little Anorexic c*nt. Tokyo is Japan – and they’re our *friends*. Now you’d be a better example of a Valiant Ben Laden – not our *friends*, not an *american*, and not even really much of a human being…
While you’re on the side cheering the criminal behaviors of your favorite fascist leaders, America’s soldiers are being slaughtered in a civil war, receiving sh*tty healthcare, wages, benefits, training and equipment. But let me guess, you think soldiers *like* to suffer – right? Or that’s their *job* to suffer?
Whatever sociopath reason you can justify such a *snarky* and st*pid remark – it just demonstrates why you c*nts lost in 2006, and you’ll lose even bigger in 2008. You’re unfit to be an american, and you’re unfit to be in Reid’s company, you piece of sh*t terrorist c*nt.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:06 pmThis bill is an outrage.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:23 pmCorrection to 142:
In a word: yes.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:53 pmInteresting you use the term “mugging.” It was a mugging, but US citizens against US citizens, who then frames some Muslim cave-dweller and then threw away our military (not to mention our financial stability) in the sands of Iraq.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:56 pmUNDERSTAND THIS:
Without the steadfast support of the TREASONOUS leadership and rank and file…
…conservative REPUBLICAN/INDEPENDS/DEMocratic members of the House and Senate…
…Bushiva would NOT have been able to sustain this veto…
…THE TRUE ENEMIES to this democracy are the feeble minded, STUPID…
…inb’RED state, county, cul-de-sac, farm, suburban CONNED’selfserving…
…people who continue to vote against their own (and the country’s) self interest…
…by voting…
…REPUBLICAN!
…and YOU know who they are…
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:44 pmDemocrats continue to lack a spine. Big surprise.
How did this country become a dictatorship without any opposition?
WHY WHY WHY do democrats time and time again agree to back this war that the public does not support?
Why don’t we have representatives in congress??? Why doesn’t the media challenge the Bush dictatorship!!!
It appears futile to try and institute regime change in this country. The election is rigged and whoever you vote for will do what the republicans want.
HOW CAN THE DEMOCRATS BE SO SPINELESS!
May 24th, 2007 at 9:04 am