ThinkFast: May 23, 2007
ThinkFast: May 23, 2007
In a 306-114 vote, the House yesterday passed legislation “that would curb President Bush’s power to appoint prosecutors indefinitely,” limiting interim U.S. attorneys’ terms to 120 days. The Senate has already approved the bill, and it now heads to Bush for his signature.
Former Justice Dept. spokesman Mark Corallo defended the partisan and potentially illegal hiring practices of Monica Goodling, claiming she “was trying to bring balance to the department.” The civil rights division, he argued, “has long been populated by ‘some of the most radical Democrats in the law.’”
U.S. Soldiers in a Sunni neighborhood in west Baghdad “now openly declare pessimism for the mission’s chances, unofficially referring to their splinter of heavily fortified land as ‘the Alamo.’” One U.S. Army captain says Bush’s escalation plan has mobilized the terrorist movement. “I sometimes worry that this period will end up going down here as their surge, not ours.”
According to a new Fox News poll, “more voters say the situation in Iraq will be extremely important in deciding their 2008 vote for president than any other issue, including terrorism, health care and the economy.” Bush’s approval rating stands at 34% in the poll.
Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) has “effectively blocked a resolution to honor environmental author Rachel Carson on the 100th anniversary of her birth,” saying that her warnings about environmental damage have “put a stigma on potentially lifesaving pesticides” such as DDT.
“Unlike Muslim minorities in many European countries, U.S. Muslims are highly assimilated, close to parity with other Americans in income and overwhelmingly opposed to Islamic extremism, according to the first major, nationwide random survey of Muslims.”
“The jump in U.S. gasoline prices this year has so far drained consumers of an extra $20 billion, or about $146 for each passenger car in the country.” The average price for regular unleaded gasoline is currently a record $3.22 per gallon.
“A comprehensive immigration bill survived a significant test on Tuesday as the Senate voted to keep a provision that would let hundreds of thousands of temporary foreign workers enter the country each year.”
Fired U.S. Attorney David Iglesias writes, “What has become clear [through the attorney purge] is that the ‘loyalty uber alles’ mentality has infected a wide swath of the Bush administration. Simple notions like right and wrong are, in their eyes, matters of allegiance, not conscience. … [The DoJ] is in desperate need of leaders who place loyalty to the Constitution on a higher level than politics.”
And finally: Harvard is putting out a list of famous people it once rejected. Included in that list are investor Warren Buffett, Simpsons creator Matt Groening, CNN founder Ted Turner, and Sen. John Kerry (D-MA). “Rejected is such a strong word,” Kerry told ABC News. “I prefer to think of it as crimson-challenged…besides I never would have fit in at a total jock school.”
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[The DoJ] is in desperate need of leaders who place loyalty to the Constitution on a higher level than politics.â€
'Ya think?
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:08 amAlberto's pleasures with the President are yet to be fully documented, but rumor has it Monica showed her allegiance in more ways than political.
US Theft of Iraq’s Oil: On House Floor Wednesday Morning
WASHINGTON DC - WEDNESDAY, MAY 23, 2007 - At approximately 11:00 a.m. today, Congressman Dennis Kucinich will invoke a rarely used procedure to offer a privileged motion claiming one hour of time to speak on the floor of the House of Representatives about current legislative plans to privatize Iraq’s oil. This will be the first time in Congress that there has been a full discussion of the covert efforts to accomplish privatization of Iraq’s oil through the supplemental spending bill.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:08 amIn a 306-114 vote, the House yesterday passed legislation “that would curb President Bush’s power to appoint prosecutors indefinitely,†limiting interim U.S. attorneys’ terms to 120 days. The Senate has already approved the bill, and it now heads to Bush for his signature.
I was under the impression that the unreasonable power to appoint interim prosecutors indefinitely while bypassing Senate confirmation was already repealed. Apparently not.
And now we need Chimpy's OK to limit Chimpy's power. Fat chance. Look for another "signing statement" in which Chimpy again asserts he is above the law.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:09 amGlobal Petition launched against Iraqi ‘Oil Theft Law’
http://www.basraoilunion.org/
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3431 Nine US soldiers killed today
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:09 amBG Group to Supply Gaza Gas to Israel
This is a really hot political potato. The British BG Group is poised to agree the terms of an historic $4 billion deal to supply Palestinian gas to Israel from a discovery off the Gaza coastline.
Representatives from BG are due to thrash out a 15-year contract with the Israeli Cabinet next week. Despite the violence in Gaza, the Israeli Foreign Ministry has insisted that it wants to conclude a deal “as soon as possibleâ€.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:10 amAl-Baradei believes Iran capable of uranium enrichment -- paper
Kuwait news - Kuna
BERLIN, May 23 (KUNA) -- Director of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Mohammad Al-Baradei believes Iran is capable of enriching uranium in its Natanz plant, a German paper said Wednesday.
According to Berliner Zeitung, an IAEA investigation team found last Sunday 1,300 centrifuges that spin uranium gas into enriched material at the plant.
It added that it is easy to enter Iranian nuclear facilities, but difficult to stop the country from getting knowledge and technologies of uranium enrichment, emphasizing that Iranian facilities could be destroyed, but not knowledge.
Some reports claim that a number of European countries will propose recognizing the Iranian nuclear activities and allowing the nation to produce small quantities of uranium, while the United States believes that sanctions must continue until Iran complies with international demands, the paper pointed out.
US to complain to IAEA over Iran ARRR Didy Dums ha ha ha
The US and its European allies are planning to complain to the UN nuclear chief that his comments that Iran should be allowed to keep some uranium enrichment were unhelpful, according to senior officials.
Diplomats said on Tuesday the US would inform Mohamed ElBaradei of their protest before he delivers his latest report on Iran.
ElBaradei, the head of the IAEA, has gone public with his view that it is too late to try to force Tehran to scrap its enrichment programme.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:10 am"In a 306-114 vote, the House yesterday passed legislation “that would curb President Bush’s power to appoint prosecutors indefinitely,†limiting interim U.S. attorneys’ terms to 120 days. The Senate has already approved the bill, and it now heads to Bush for his signature."
I'll never sign it. VETO VETO VETO!!! oh wait... that's a lot of votes...
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:11 amIf you have been wondering where Clyde the Ripper has been, I can now tell you.
Clyde went into the hospital ~ 2 weeks ago for a fairly simple procedure. Unfortunately, he ended up with 4 surgeries and a heart attack.
He went home yesterday, and will lurk while he recuperates.
Please send him healing thoughts and well wishes.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:11 amLove 'ya, Clyde!
“The jump in U.S. gasoline prices this year has so far drained consumers of an extra $20 billion, or about $146 for each passenger car in the country.†The average price for regular unleaded gasoline is currently a record $3.22 per gallon.
Mass work stoppages may be necessary to get the oil companies' attention. We're being bled dry.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:11 amUS Congress Targets OPEC
The US Congress has voted to brand OPEC’s efforts to control world oil prices illegal.
And with support of the legislation strong in the Senate as well, President Bush could soon be thrust into the unenviable position of siding with OPEC producers at a time of painfully high gasoline prices in the US.
MEANWHILE
Iran, Iraq coordinating in OPEC to control price of oil: Iraqi minister
Tehran Times Political Desk
TEHRAN - There is continuous coordination between Iran and Iraq in OPEC to control the price of oil, Iraqi Oil Minister Hussein Shahristani said in an interview with the Mehr News Agency on Tuesday.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:12 amTP fails to mention "one in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances"?
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:12 amWASHINGTON, D.C., May 23 (RIA Novosti) - U.S. Congress' lower house overwhelmingly approved a bill authorizing antitrust action against international cartels of oil and gas exporters, but President George W. Bush signaled he would not sign it into law.
Known as "The No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels Act" (NOPEC), the bill is a response to skyrocketing gasoline prices across the U.S., a tendency consumers blame largely on price-fixing by OPEC.
The House of Representatives voted 345-72 in favor of the bill that would allow OPEC and other energy cartels to be prosecuted in U.S. courts for anticompetitive activities with regard to pricing, production and distribution of hydrocarbons.
House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers Jr. said a U.S. federal court had rejected an antitrust lawsuit filed against OPEC in 1978, on the grounds that foreign states are protected against prosecution in the States by jurisdictional immunities envisaged in the Foreign Services Immunity Act (FSIA). The new bill drops OPEC and other such cartels from FSIA protections.
The Bush administration argues, however, that legislation outlawing OPEC and other groups of oil and gas exporters could trigger retaliatory measures, leading to disruptions in supplies and further price hikes. The president has already made it clear he will veto the NOPEC bill.
Following the bill's approval in April by the Senate Judiciary Committee, the Russian Foreign Ministry said it was in breach of international law.
"If such a bill is enacted, stripping foreign states of immunity in American courts, then the U.S. will be in violation of one of the universally recognized principles of international law - that of states' sovereign equality," the ministry said in a statement.
A spokesperson for the Congressional Research Service told RIA Novosti that if it does come into force, NOPEC could immediately be contested by foreign states through the World Trade Organization.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:13 amTP fails to mention “one in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances�
Comment by jonny — May 23, 2007 @ 9:12 am
And yet many mainstream media outlets are leading their stories with that, despite all the other survey responses that show American Muslims denouncing terrorism and al-Qa'ida. Who's distorting the truth, exactly?
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:16 am~ Get well Clyde ~
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:18 amTP fails to mention “one in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances�
--- defend their religion are acceptable ---
That passage should read -
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:18 am--- defend their country against american aggression --- Or aggressive Foreign Policy ---
Here's something interesting:
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:21 am
jonny = michael
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:22 amNiether of them know how to properly punctuate a sentence....
"The civil rights division, he argued, “has long been populated by ‘some of the most radical Democrats in the law.'"
Duh! Republicans don't care about civil rights.
These "party over country" people are really starting to piss me off.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:23 amthe Senate voted to keep a provision that would let hundreds of thousands of temporary foreign workers enter the country each year.
So no change to current policy then?
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:23 amComment by Bluedahlia — May 23, 2007 @ 9:22 am
<chuckle>
Good catch, BD. ^_^
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:26 am“The civil rights division, he argued, “has long been populated by ‘some of the most radical Democrats in the law.’â€
Duh! Republicans don’t care about civil rights.
These “party over country†people are really starting to piss me off.
Comment by Kiki
Exactamundo. You'll only find Republicans in regulatory agencies or areas like the civil rights division when they're gutting its effectiveness. And to a dirtbag like this, "radical Democrat" translates to "thinks the Constitution is a good thing."
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:34 amKing Bush?
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:35 amTo borrow a phrase:
[The Democratic Party] is in desperate need of leaders who place loyalty to the Constitution on a higher level than politics.
Or on a higher level than loyalty to Israel.
Sorry folks, but if the Democrats give Bush the funding he is asking for, without restrictions, it will be time to bring both their houses down.
Thus far, I have been asking for those who know of wrongdoing in the Bush Administration to come forward with evidence and testimony. And since I began asking last September, we have been met with revelation upon revelation of wrongdoing in the Bush Administration, as well as its supporters.
It may well be time to widen the scope of that prayer.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:38 amI hope you get well, Clyde. Missing your posts.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:39 amHello, true. NIce reading you. :)
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:41 amPlease send him healing thoughts and well wishes.
Love ‘ya, Clyde!
Comment by trueblue
Thanks for the update.
Clyde hope you're feeling better and get back here soon. We look forward to hearing from you. You've been missed.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:42 amClyde,
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:43 amWell wishes and speedy recovery. Sending healing thoughts your way....
:-)
Hurry back.
Clyde goes in for a simple procedure and almost dies. Doctors are the leading cause of death in the US.
Get well Clyde
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:44 amHi Juan!
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:47 am:)
Comment by trueblue — May 23, 2007 @ 9:35 am
Sweet baby Jesus...
If you people haven't visited the link trueblue supplied, I highly recommend you do so. National Security Presidential Directive/NSPD 51 basically makes Chimpy Emperor in the event of "a catastrophic emergency", which is defined rather sketchily as “any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government function.â€
The stage is set for another false-flag attack. There will be zero chance of recovering from the police state that will follow.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:49 amTP fails to mention “one in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances�
Comment by jonny
Well aren't you just a little beacon of light. TP provided a link to the article ... this is Think FAST.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:49 amUS Fortress Embassy In Baghdad
Wednesday 23rd of May 2007
by Jay Randal
The NEW humongous US Embassy in Baghdad, Iraq, is due to be completed this coming September, costing taxpayers $592 million and covering 104 acres of land.
Vatican sized fortress enclave will include 27 buildings, and house 615 staff in bomb-proof fortifications, with 16,000 square feet palace for Ambassador to reside in.
His deputy/2nd-in-command will live in a 9,500 square feet residence, while everyone else will get modest one-bedroom apartments, and guards housed in barracks.
The compound will have Olympic size pool, gym, and communal commissary for meals, with its own power generators, water supply and sewage treatment facility.
While the residents of Baghdad live in abject squalor, without electricity except for a few hours daily and dirty water to drink, the embassy staff will live like royalty.
Iraq's population will gaze from afar at the lighted US citadel of imperialism, angered in growing resentment, and someday might even storm the American Bastille.
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:51 amLink to Regis and Kelly, who are building a playground in New Orleans' Lower Ninth Ward today.
http://bventertainment.go.com/tv/buenavista/regisandkelly/special/neworleans/project-playground.html
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:52 amFormer Justice Dept. spokesman Mark Corallo defended the partisan and potentially illegal hiring practices of Monica Goodling, claiming she “was trying to bring balance to the department.†The civil rights division, he argued, “has long been populated by ‘some of the most radical Democrats in the law.’â€
...said Goodling's former cohort in the Bush/Cheney 2000 opposition research team. I'm sure there's nothing he hates more than extreme partisanship in the DoJ.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:52 am16; 23 - thanks for the links.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:53 amTake care, Clyde, and get well soon.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:53 amThe stage is set for another false-flag attack. There will be zero chance of recovering from the police state that will follow.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Oh, God. Is it too late to skip the country? I hear Australia is nice this time of year.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:54 amIsn't is scary, TMM?
Think it'll make the MSM?
Nah, they're got more important things to cover - American Idol.
:P
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:55 amComment by TripMaster Monkey
This one actually supports a "stolen election" before the election even occurs, just so s/he'll have something to moan about.
It's not fair! So not fair!
Oh, and and by the way, you've got this Democratic congress in place, yet they've not acted in carrying out any investigation of the 2004 election, which you believe to a great fraud. What a burning real issue, huh?
Finally, in regards to your article posting, Karl Rove has his right to act as a political consultant to the President on elections, etc., like every other President before him. There's been no citing by any voting commission - local-state-federal of any laws broken. If Karl Rove advises President Bush into the White House, it's a free country. With or without Karl Rove, the voters can make the choice.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:55 amSen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) has “effectively blocked a resolution to honor environmental author Rachel Carson on the 100th anniversary of her birth,†saying that her warnings about environmental damage have “put a stigma on potentially lifesaving pesticides†such as DDT.
Banning DDT brought the bald eagle back from the brink of extinction. I suppose it's just a symbol. And, it's not that big a deal if we manage to kill off the living symbol of our country to help somebody stay in business or make more money. I guess it's really the bottom line that's of utmost importance, eh Coburn?
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:59 amComment by CompTROLLER V-1 — May 23, 2007 @ 9:55 am
Do yourself a favor and read the article I linked to, CT. You might appear slightly less idiotic (although I can't make any promises...).
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:00 amI'm just glad the next Democratic President will have dictatorial powers. It might be necessary in putting the Republicans down.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:08 am#39 CompTROLLER V-1
Karl Rove doesn't have a right to conspire to defraud the American people. Although, he does it in many and varied ways as a matter of daily routine. Bush doesn't have a right to shield such a person from investigation and subsequent prosecution. That's aiding and abetting.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:10 am#37 Oh, God. Is it too late to skip the country? I hear Australia is nice this time of year.
Comment by Proud Dem — May 23, 2007 @ 9:54 am
Think of another country, quick. Australia is as dry as a bone thanks to the Bush "environmental policies" (or more accurately, lack of).
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:12 amComment by TripMaster Monkey
I've read your lousy, partisan article. Propaganda like that makes you feel good, doesn't it?
Actually, I feel more idiotic reading that dribble. I'm pointing out your inconsistencies, so doesn't make me "idiotic." You keep saying that as if you've automatically won the argument. But, of course, your name calling only signifies that you've lost.
"Tripmaster Monkey", a bit thuggish. Isn't that the name of magazine, by the way. I visit the homepage of it and there's a slew of articles bashing white men. Quite racist and "idiotic," truthfully.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:12 amdoes anyone know when Goodling is supposed to testify? and is it televised????
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:13 amSen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) has “effectively blocked a resolution to honor environmental author Rachel Carson on the 100th anniversary of her birth,†saying that her warnings about environmental damage have “put a stigma on potentially lifesaving pesticides†such as DDT.
Banning DDT brought the bald eagle back from the brink of extinction. I suppose it’s just a symbol. And, it’s not that big a deal if we manage to kill off the living symbol of our country to help somebody stay in business or make more money. I guess it’s really the bottom line that’s of utmost importance, eh Coburn?
Comment by chimpeach — May 23, 2007 @ 9:59 am
The only symbol most of these R's care is the $ symbol. Most concretely, the "$ in his pocket" symbol.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:13 amnevermind! It's 'starting shortly' on cspan 3!!!!god bless the televised revolution...
:D
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:15 amPlease send him healing thoughts and well wishes.
Love ‘ya, Clyde!
Comment by trueblue
Thanks, true. Please send Clyde and Granny my love, and best wishes for a quick recovery.
I had wondered where he was, and thought maybe he was training for his new job with TP. I wish he was.....
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:18 amwhiteyfresh:
C-Span 3 is not a REAL channel! LOL The President's announcement about another al Qaeda threat will be seen by millions more.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:20 amComment by chimpeach
Unless Mr. Rove is under investigation for any violation of voter/electoral laws, I don't care to hear your partisan dribble! Conspiracy Theory 101 - have you taken that course? Mr. Rove can tell anything he wants to the American people, and they can be smart enough to accept or reject his premise.
Mr. Rove testified before a grand jury, what, five times? And still no indictment! Until a solid conviction is reached, nothing can be treated as fact, regardless of whether the President is "shielding" Mr. Rove from "subsequent prosecution" of your personal allegations.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:21 amSen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) has “effectively blocked a resolution to honor environmental author Rachel Carson on the 100th anniversary of her birth,†saying that her warnings about environmental damage have “put a stigma on potentially lifesaving pesticides†such as DDT.
Oh heavens....we wouldn't want to stigmatize a deadly and destructive pesticide like DDT. We might hurt it's little feelings -- or Coburn's bottom line.
I'll enjoy my eagles while I can....
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:23 am#42 Perry Logan
I’m just glad the next Democratic President will have dictatorial powers. It might be necessary in putting the Republicans down.
Good point. When a Democrat is elected president in 2008, he or she should probably go with the full Ferdinand Marcos treatment: imprison anyone who talks of running for president in future elections (it would be treasonous to oppose the president) and then just suspend presidential elections indefinitely. Let's see now. The Dems could then pour money into all of the state Secretary of State races around the country to make sure that loyal Democrats are seated there to oversee the election of legislators. Maybe find a company that's run by loyal Democrats to build electronic voting machines and then make sure all of those secretaries of state change over to 'Democratic' voting machines. And, naturally there will be a complete replacement of everyone in the Department of Justice who is not a loyal Democrat. Law enforcement must be under strict partisan control. No reason in particular, just because the president has the right to do it. Got a problem with that?
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:23 amThe jump in U.S. gasoline prices this year has so far drained consumers of an extra $20 billion, or about $146 for each passenger car in the country.†The average price for regular unleaded gasoline is currently a record $3.22 per gallon.
Gas price in Moscow today: $3.36 per gallon
Anyone else care to post their gas prices?
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:24 amKerry told ABC News. “I prefer to think of it as crimson-challenged…besides I never would have fit in at a total jock school.â€
Heh. Kerry made a funny.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:25 am"U.S. Soldiers ... 'now openly declare pessimism for the mission's chances' "... Perhaps this means that the soldiers in Iraq are finally saying that they will not be accepting the propaganda that the Pentagon and the Bush administration are shoveling their way. Perhaps many of them have seen the 2006 documentary Sir! No Sir! which focused upon the GI resistance that took place during the Vietnam War and which should, one hopes, allow those in the military now to realize that they have a brain and that what the government tells them has been, for the most part, a pack of lies and because of that reason, they should not allow themselves to be used by this administration as cannon fodder. Soldiers resist by saying NO to the war machine.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:25 amI paid $3.019 for regular on Monday. I guess we're pulling the average down. Sorry about that.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:26 amFor five years we have been lectured that George Bush ruined the trans-Atlantic relationship. But now we see pro-American governments in both France and Germany, and a radical change in attitudes from Denmark to Holland to Italy. The truth is that the Europeans neither hated nor loved Bill Clinton, whom they on occasion privately seethed at for not exercising leadership, or George Bush who swaggered and talked tough to them during the lead-up to Iraq and seemed to them to be rudely unilateral. Instead, after getting their teen-age anger out, they are starting to see that the United States did not fabricate Islamic radicalism nor order them to let in and then not assimilate millions of now angry Muslims. . . .
So it is they, not us, that are returning to sobriety in matters of the trans-Atlantic relationship, and they are doing this not because of affection for George Bush, but despite their anxiety about him. And that is good news, since it suggests the warming exists apart from personalities, and reminds us that if the so-called and much deprecated “West†were ever to act in unison (the former British commonwealth, Japan, the US, and continental Europe), then radical Islam would simply have no chance against 8-900 million of the planet’s most productive, ingenious and democratic peoples. . . . If I were a European, Taiwanese, Saudi, or almost anyone else who habitually complains about American presumptuousness, I would worry that the American public is reverting to its (natural?) 1930s sort of isolationism. Tired of cheap anti-Americanism, the burden of global defense obligations, and the continual erosion of the dollar, they wish to pull in their horns and let others in multilateral fashion pick up the slack.
Victor Davis Hanson
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:26 amSorry, Zoo.
It's 3.01 here.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:27 amPlease send him healing thoughts and well wishes.
Love ‘ya, Clyde!
Comment by trueblue — May 23, 2007 @ 9:11 am
Get well soon, Clyde!
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:29 am#51 CompTROLLER V-1
First of all, the word is "drivel". And you don't have to hear it if you don't want. The only reason Rove didn't get indicted is that Bush sent Gonzales to work something out with Fitzgerald. It probably went something like "You can have Libby and we won't stonewall or obstruct, but if you try to take Rove, we'll make this thing drag out forever."
Bush has been protecting Rove all along. We already know enough about what's he's done to warrant an investigation that would turn up enough solid evidence to put him away for a long time. Why are the e-mails being hidden, redacted, and withheld? Why have there been so many lies about them? Why the hiding and lying about Abramoff's visits to the White House? Why the external e-mail accounts? I don't think you're as naive as you pretend to be and that makes it worse. You approve of all of the illegal activity, just because it's being done by 'your team'. You wouldn't put up with this kind of crap from the Democrats and I wouldn't expect anyone to. It's wrong and you know it. Stop trying to defend the indefensible and pretending that you don't know what they're doing.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 amInteresting pic at top of this thread: What are Alberto and George laughing about together? Are they comparing their sexual escapades with the hooker-escort Jeff Gannon? Or are they laughing at Rep. Nancy Pelosi for being gullible?
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 amRead about this on Captains Quarters
The women involved all appear to have been illegal immigrants exploited by coyotes for their pimping business:
Maybe they were just doing the.. um.. 'jobs' y'know that Americans won't do
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:36 amFAVOR TO ASK FROM MY TP FRIENDS:
No one is spinning the Iraq Spending Bill as a "Success" more than arrogant Rahm Emanuel (D) Illinois. Its disgusting.
Please BOMBARD his office and tell his phone answerer that we can see through his spin and are disgusted!
1-202-225-4061
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:41 amtrueblue & Orlando
WTF!! No fair! There are refineries in Montana, it's not like they have to truck the gas that far.
Even on the Nez Perce reservation it's $3.16...geez.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:43 amComment by chimpeach
Fine, you win.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:43 amLOL..the left should be used to losing by now. And that DDT woman has killed thousands of people. Coburn was right to s**t can her honor.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:46 am#52,
Actually, Zooey, you overstate the adverse impacts of DDT. Recently, the World Health Organization reversed its anti-DDT policy and recommended its use in fighting malaria in Africa:
WHO Urges Use of DDT in Africa
Call for Applications of Pesticide Changes 30-Year Policy
By David Brown
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, September 16, 2006; A09
The World Health Organization reversed a 30-year-old policy yesterday and declared its support for indoor use of the pesticide DDT to control mosquitoes in regions where malaria is a major health problem.
The Geneva-based WHO, which provides advice to many developing countries, believes the benefits of the long-acting pesticide far outweigh any health or environmental risk it may pose.
"Indoor residual spraying with DDT and other insecticides will again play a major role in [WHO's] efforts to fight the disease." Arata Kochi, director of the organization's malaria department, said at a news conference in Washington. "WHO will use every possible and safe method to control malaria."
The endorsement is only for once- or twice-yearly spraying of the pesticide on the inside walls of dwellings, especially mud and thatched huts. Used that way, DDT functions as both an insect repellent and -- when a blood-engorged female mosquito lands on the wall to digest its meal -- an insecticide...
About 1 million people die each year of malaria, most of them African children under age 5.
WHO expects opposition to the policy change from some environmental groups. Kochi appealed directly to them in his announcement.
"I am here today to ask you, please help save African babies as you are helping to save the environment. African babies do not have a powerful movement . . . to champion their well-being," he said.
The most famous pesticide in the world, DDT has few if any adverse effects in human beings.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/15/AR2006091501012_pf.html
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:47 amLarry > Rahm Emanuel is a former Israeli citizen, so he actually wants Iraq to remain occupied by US forever. I do not understand how he got elected.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:47 amExley
Don't bother with the DDT arguments. They fall on deaf ears.
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:48 am#68 -- Exley
Humans are not the only living beings on this planet. DDT is not the only insecticide. We wouldn't spray DDT on ourselves, why is it ok to spray it on Africans?
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:54 amCompTROLLER V-1 sez:
My, my, my...must have hit a nerve to draw that amount of vitriol. ^_^
If you want to dispute the facts presented in the article, feel free...but please provide facts of your own to substantiate your argument. If, however, you're already reduced to ad hominems (as it appears), then you might consider cutting your losses. Don't worry...I'll always accept a sincere apology.
That's difficult to imagine...
First of all, the "inconsistencies" you think you've "pointed out" would have been resolved had you only read the article, which I'm sure you didn't initially, and I doubt you've done even now.
Second, please learn how to write a proper sentence. (Perhaps I'm being too judgmental...perhaps this was a one-time typo. We'll see...)
First of all, you were the one who initiated this exchange...and, incidentally, the one who's already been reduced to solely lobbing insults. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Second, I only assumed I had "automatically won" when it became clear that you were "pointing out inconsistencies" that were obviously not there (obvious, that is, if you had actually READ the article).
Third, it's not name calling if it's true. Criticizing an article without even bothering to read it is truly idiotic.
First of all, apparently I wasn't being too judgmental earlier. You are, in fact, a confirmed idiot. That's a load off my mind...
Second, someone calling themselves "CompTROLLER V-1" isn't really in the best position to criticize...
What's idiotic is that you automatically assume that I'm affiliated with that magazine (which I'm not). But of course, delivering snap judgments without bothering to do the necessary research first is your specialty, isn't it? ^_^
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:54 amHey...What happened? TP had a story up a few moments ago about the increase in Iraqi childhood mortality since 1990 and now it has disappeared. What gives?
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:55 amTripMaster Monkey,
Careful, that's a sharp stick you're using on that troll. :D
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:56 amC-Span 3 is not a REAL channel! LOL The President’s announcement about another al Qaeda threat will be seen by millions more.
Comment by Jake
Are you out of your freakin' mind? (that's rhetorical)
May 23rd, 2007 at 10:58 amGas price in Moscow today: $3.36 per gallon
Anyone else care to post their gas prices?
Comment by Zooey
Hi Zooey. Chicagoland Area $3.59
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:01 amZooey,
If it's a choice between saving the life of a human child and some bird, I'll pick the child every time. As for why it is okay to be used in Africa and not here, that's because it appears we (the U.S.) overreacted to the fears about DDT. Research subsequent to Silent Spring indicates it was not quite a dangerous as presented in that book. If the U.S, faced a malaria health crisis that killed 1 million people a year, most of them children under the age of 5, I certainly would want DDT used.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:01 amHi Zooey. Chicagoland Area $3.59
Comment by shane — May 23, 2007 @ 11:01 am
#
Salt Lake City, Utah $3.22
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:05 am$2.95
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:05 amOxymoron by a moron... 'lifesaving pesticides'!!! LMAO
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:07 am#
$2.95
Comment by Patrick1 — May 23, 2007 @ 11:05 am
#
Where?
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:08 amLowest is $3.13, highest is $3.29
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:09 amHave to fill my tank today, uggg.
Middle of red state heaven, Boise, Id
SouthWest Michigan...
$3.64
How does a small metropolitan area like Kalamazoo have higher prices than most of the continental United States?
that, and my RedWings lost last night.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:10 am(Trolls beware, I'm in a pissy mood!)
Zooey
Humans are not the only living beings on this planet. DDT is not the only insecticide. We wouldn’t spray DDT on ourselves, why is it ok to spray it on Africans?
Did you just imply that African's aren't humans? Thats horrible. And honestly, I'm appalled.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:10 amGas at the BJ's by me (generally the cheapest around) just hit 3.01
But that's fine it, I've only bought 2 tanks of the stuff since August.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:12 amGas at the BJ’s by me
Comment by squegeebooo — May 23, 2007 @ 11:12 am
that is so wrong, in so many ways!
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:19 am#58 - Patrick1,
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:21 amVictor Davis Harrison is hardly the least biased person on earth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson
I have many European friends who strongly disagree with him. The only real support that Bush has beyond the White House lawn and his Crawford "ranch" comes from Israel.
Did you just imply that African’s aren’t humans? Thats horrible. And honestly, I’m appalled.
Comment by squegeebooo
For f*ck's sake, Squeegy -- NO.
I said "We wouldn’t spray DDT on ourselves, why is it ok to spray it on Africans?"
No animals in that sentence, only people.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:23 amClyde, get better, quick! You are missed!!
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:24 amSouthWest Michigan…
$3.64
How does a small metropolitan area like Kalamazoo have higher prices than most of the continental United States?
that, and my RedWings lost last night.
(Trolls beware, I’m in a pissy mood!)
Comment by DRxJ
$3.59 is outside of Chicago and not in Cook County. Chicago itself would have to be at least .10 higher. You're not alone.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:24 amDid you just imply that African’s aren’t humans? Thats horrible. And honestly, I’m appalled.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 23, 2007 @ 11:10 am
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R.I.F.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:24 amthat is so wrong, in so many ways!
Comment by DRxJ
Well.....it is Squeegy....just sayin'
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:25 amSeattle, paid 3.39 yesterday/
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:25 amGas at the BJ’s by me
Comment by squegeebooo — May 23, 2007 @ 11:12 am
that is so wrong, in so many ways!
Comment by DRxJ
DRxJ, I believe squiggy is getting a different type of gas.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:26 amDRxJ, I believe squiggy is getting a different type of gas.
Comment by shane
He deserves a kick in the ass....
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:31 amshane
DRxJ, I believe squiggy is getting a different type of gas.
Hey, it is the 90's.
Zooey
You differentiated between humans and other animals, and then between 'ourselves' and Africans. What else could you have meant.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:34 amZooey,
Camp Lejeune (on base, sales tax free area) $3.15
Jacksonville, NC (off base, taxable zone) $3.09
Figure that one out...
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:35 amYou differentiated between humans and other animals, and then between ‘ourselves’ and Africans. What else could you have meant.
Comment by squegeebooo
Don't make me come over there. You know me better than that.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:40 amsquegeeboo sez:
Sorry to butt in here, but it's difficult to imagine you being that stupid, squegee.
"We wouldn’t spray DDT on ourselves, why is it ok to spray it on Africans?" is completely unambiguous. This attempt to twist Zooey's words into a slur on Africans, when in fact it was a defense of them, is disappointing, squegee, and frankly, it is beneath you.
Let's try to keep the level of discourse here at least marginally above O'Reilly standards, mmmkay?
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:40 am#97 - hacker bob,
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:43 amOne word - Halliburton?
Zooey
Don’t make me come over there. You know me better than that.
That I do, sorry, just couldn't resisting taking an easy word twist. On the plus side, i could finally meet you, the one hippy that won't give up on me.
TripMaster Monkey
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:46 amLet’s try to keep the level of discourse here at least marginally above O’Reilly standards, mmmkay?
Wheres the fun in that?
You differentiated between humans and other animals, and then between ‘ourselves’ and Africans. What else could you have meant.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 23, 2007 @ 11:34 am
You're conveniently neglecting the third sentence "DDT is not the only insecticide." The first sentence referred to the idea that humans must realize the ill effects of unlimited spraying of chemicals on an ecosystem. The second sentence stated that there are more pesticide options than DDT. The third sentence compared Western pesticide options versus African pesticide options. Three sentences, three different topics. Try reading more carefully next time.
The problem with mass residential DDT spraying in Africa is not that it's poisonous to eagles, it's that it's extremely expensive and very unsustainable. Uganda does not have the capacity to do it on its own, nor do most countries in SSA. Yes, once-or-twice a year spraying can stop malaria - for now. But what happens two or three years from now when donor funding dries up?
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:50 amThat I do, sorry, just couldn’t resisting taking an easy word twist. On the plus side, i could finally meet you, the one hippy that won’t give up on me.
Comment by squegeebooo
I am going to push you off your bike.
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:51 amThanks, TMM & toasterhead.
Squeegy is just being......himself.
*sigh*
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:55 amDallas/Ft. Worth area prices range from $2.89 to $3.49. When the Big Oil companies stopped using local Texas crude in lieu of pricier foreign oil, we lost our "lower than the National average" gas pricing.
And mysteriously, the Mobil's in my area QUIT selling gas about 2 weeks ago. WHAT THE F*CK IS UP WITH THAT?
May 23rd, 2007 at 11:55 amANWAR + More refineries = lower gas prices
Discuss...........
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:01 pmZooey
I am going to push you off your bike.
Wow, thats cold, cold like ice.
toasterhead
it’s that it’s extremely expensive and very unsustainable.
Your right, we should just let malaria keep on killing people. It's to expensive to fix.
Out of the available pesticide solutions DDT is one of the cheapest.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:03 pmBut what happens two or three years from now when donor funding dries up?
Don't know, but why is that a valid argument to not fight it now?
Good Morning Lady Z, trueblue, tripmaster and all..Gas prices here in Seattle burb's, north of RUCerious was $3.48 yesterday and that was with a 3 cent discount..Damn..
Great post's and link true and trip...My poor old brain is about to explode from all the dreadful information about this administration....
Good day to you as well BnF and yes we need to expand our thought's and action's..
Special Blessings go out to Clyde, get well soon Dear friend....Thank;s for the info true.....Blessings all..Must run the pup's to the vet, send off more scathing email's and sign a few more patition's..BTW any one in favor of DDT any where on the planet must be insane...Check out the info on this and the damage it can do to people and wildlife...
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:05 pmZooey
I am going to push you off your bike.
Wow, thats cold, cold like ice.
Comment by squegeebooo
And painful. Only the best for you, babes.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:12 pmMorning, Sharon...Gas here in Ann Arbor, Michigan is also $3.48. :(
I'm currently petitioning my boss to allow me to telecommute a few times a week to offset these ridiculous prices. Failing that, I may just quit my job and live off the food I can raise off my own land (yes, it's that bad).
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:14 pm#84, Squegeebooo,
Yeah, I gotta agree with the other posters on this one. I think Zooey's question was quite clear and was obviously not implying in any way what you inferred....
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:15 pmComment by Not Canadian Yet — May 23, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Some of the independents say the low margin doesn't justify the trouble and are getting out of gas.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:16 pmComment by hacker bob — May 23, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
A friend who passed through the Houston-Beaumont area last week and told me about a big NEW refinery still under construction.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:18 pmComment by Exley — May 23, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Hey Squegee...while you're under that bus, could you check the oil? ^_^
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:23 pmTP fails to mention “one in four younger U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances�
Comment by jonny — May 23, 2007 @ 9:12 am
I have heard this on the radio today, I have heard it on CNN, MSNBC today, as well as CBS and ABC. I have read it in the Chicago Tribune, the Chicago Sun Times and in my local Daily Herald.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:26 pmI thin there is sufficient coverage by the compliant press, whose role in inflaming extremes on all sides is pretty apparent.
Do we need it here too?
Exley
Yeah, I gotta agree with the other posters on this one.
Yah, I was just having fun twisting words.
Zoo
And painful. Only the best for you, babes.
I would expect nothing less.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:27 pmTripMaster Monkey
Your about a quart low.
Comment by toasterhead — May 23, 2007 @ 11:50 am
I recall from school that some of the insects had a natural immunity to DDT... that one spraying would kill 99%, and the remaining 1% would be 30% after the next spraying, then 90% after the next spraying and that eventually DDT wasn't killing any more mosquitoes.
Seems like that was HS Biology in 1974, so I could be misremembering.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:27 pmClyde the Ripper --
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:29 pmIf you are able to read these posts -- we're cheering for you.
Get well soon.
Zoo
And painful. Only the best for you, babes.
I would expect nothing less.
Comment by squegeebooo
I hope you wear a helmet....
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:37 pmZooey,
Between you and Exley, Squegee's getting pushed quite a bit...
In addition to the helmet, I hope he has his knee and elbow pads...
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:41 pmpete
that one spraying would kill 99%, and the remaining 1% would be 30% after the next spraying, then 90% after the next spraying and that eventually DDT wasn’t killing any more mosquitoes.
Yes, there is some natural immunity, and eventually DDT, like any other pesticide or antibiotic will become ineffective. However if it is used properly Malaria can be dealt with before this happens. Things like total area coverage, concentration of DDT in the spray, frequency of spraying, indoor and/or outdoor usage will all effect the rate the insects become resistant as well as the rate at which they die at.
Additionally if you stop spraying as soon as possible once insect numbers are low enough you run into the risk of allowing a resurgence of insects, now immune, so there are reasons to continue spraying for several years after the humanitarian issues are initially dealt with.
There's a wealth of material on the interwebs that cover all this, both from the pro and con sides of spraying.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:41 pmI hope you wear a helmet….
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:42 pmOf course I do, I'm conservative not stupid...
I think Zooey’s question was quite clear and was obviously not implying in any way what you inferred….
Comment by Exley
Or... you are scared that she kicks your ass. :)
Just messing around.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:42 pmPoor Clyde! What a horrible experience he must be having. Best wishes for a speedy recovery (and I hope you have insurance).
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:46 pmI’m conservative not stupid…
Comment by squegeebooo
Well...nevermind.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:51 pmI hope you wear a helmet….
Of course I do, I’m conservative not stupid…
Comment by squegeebooo
Heh.
May 23rd, 2007 at 12:55 pmI hope you wear a helmet….
Of course I do, I’m conservative not stupid…
Comment by squegeebooo
Must... resisist... commenting...
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:01 pm#106 hacker bob
ANWAR + More refineries = lower gas prices
Oil from ANWR would not make an appreciable difference and the oil companies have no shortage of reasons to raise gas prices. Rest assured they'll still come up with one. They've been given all the permits to build refineries that they asked for and still haven't done it. Why? Tight refinery capacity gives them an excuse to raise prices.
The reason for drilling in ANWR is to give business to the companies that supply the equipment, not to actually provide us with more oil.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:02 pmHey squeegee, I mean this in a purly funny way. perhaps you should change you screen name to "dip stick" since you are a conservative...Just playing with ya...Blessings
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:02 pmAcross the highway from the rental car joints near the airport:
$4.459 per gallon.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:04 pmNow, seriously. The problem with DDT is one that is highly toxic to humans, and that it doesn't degrade quickly. The bald eagles where affected because they are at the top of the food chain in the countryside. You know, bugs absorb the pesticide, mice, rats and eats vegetables and bugs, and drink water contaminated, eagles eat contaminated mice and rats, and the eggs of eagles simply don't develow due to the high amount of pesticides accumulated in the eagles bodies.
What do you think would happen if you blanket spray DDT where the mosquitoes breed better, in water accumulations, such as rivers, lakes, ponds, etc? Water isn't an abundant resource in many places in Africa, you think that people can switch easily to another well if one has been contaminated, AND it's discovered that it's contaminated?
And humans can't afford the 'mosquito method' to survive the DDT infection. Can't let pass generations losing 90% of the population due to DDT empoisonment.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:11 pmEvil Spaniard
What do you think would happen if you blanket spray DDT where the mosquitoes breed better, in water accumulations, such as rivers, lakes, ponds, etc?
Well judging by the lack of Malaria in the Southern US, and the huge drop in cases in India and Bangladesh, I would assume it would help stop the disease.
Sharon,
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:24 pmNo worries, I set myself up for that one.
Good post Evil Spaniard and that's just the tip of the devastation this spray doe's..
ANWR drilling is a farce and lie, read extensive report's on this dumbass drilling and in many report's the crude was going to japan by ship's..EXXON Valdese spill's any one.? Yep the plan is to ship it not use it here..More lies from this administration and the basterd senator in alaska...Most of the Alaskan resident's did not and do not want it there, especielly the true natives.. But we all know about the bridge to no where senator, right?..He his family and cohort's buy up property and then scream and yell for fund's to build bridges and road's to develop their land, sell and make a profit all on our tax dime's..Never mind the inviroment or the tribes..It's all money honey....Blessings
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:36 pmYour a good sport squeege, I like you even though your a conservative...Blessings
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:39 pmHouse Minority Leader John Boehner, in a shockingly blunt admission Tuesday night to a small group of Republicans, called the immigration bill praised by congressional leaders and the White House a 'piece of s---,"
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:42 pm#132 Evil Spaniard
What do you think would happen if you blanket spray DDT where the mosquitoes breed better, in water accumulations, such as rivers, lakes, ponds, etc?
Well judging by the lack of Malaria in the Southern US, and the huge drop in cases in India and Bangladesh, I would assume it would help stop the disease.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 23, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
Two things: if it's sooooo good, why is banned the use of DDT in the USA? And, you know what caused DDT in the Southern USA? Babies like the banjo player of Deliverance.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:44 pmThanks, Sharon :)
And, Squeggy, ANWR is only as a bandaid for a stake in the heart of the modern society: fossil fuels will not last. Six months worth of oil will not save the world of the problem of the ever increasing need for oil and its subsequent neverending increase in cost. And, six months worth of oil doesn't offset the value of a natural reserve.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:48 pmEvil Spaniard
Dude, first off, I didn't say anything about ANWR.
Second, if DDT is responsible for Deliverance, we should spray more, maybe it'll help Hollywood create more great movies. But I'm assuming that the kid was supposed to be inbred, not chemically altered.
Third, it's illegal due to the book 'Silent Rain' which is based on research and extrapolations, quite a bit of which were flawed. But it was enough to panic people into banning it.
Forth, we banned it after we had used it to stop Malaria. Other nations could do the same.
May 23rd, 2007 at 1:55 pmTrue again Evil Spaniard....Guess we have done our reasearch...Six month's supply at best, going to japan for sure and a blight for the natives and enviroment...The biggest threat is the lack of accountability directed to the companies getting all these leases all over the country...First off they spend million's on attorneys to help them get out of their obligation's when they screw up..Exxon is a prime example of lies, fraud and neglect and now with busco putting oil magnet's in the hen house we are screwed....Blessings all
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:04 pmEvil Spaniard
Dude, first off, I didn’t say anything about ANWR.
True, sorry. The answer must be applied to the post of hacker bob.
Second, if DDT is responsible for Deliverance, we should spray more, maybe it’ll help Hollywood create more great movies. But I’m assuming that the kid was supposed to be inbred, not chemically altered.
Well, I liked Terminator 2, but I don't think that pressing the red button and build killer robots is the right thing to do. And, I liked The Dead Zone, but that doesn't mean that I must like Bush.
And, the development of children is affected by DDT as is by inbreeding, so spraying DDT amounts as the same as the sin of laying with your sister to the eyes of God. I know, I know, you will jump and say that you're atheistic, missing wilfully the point of the answer, but both we know what I'm meaning.
Third, it’s illegal due to the book ‘Silent Rain’ which is based on research and extrapolations, quite a bit of which were flawed. But it was enough to panic people into banning it.
Studies later have demonstrated that it's highly persistent in nature, and the human tissues, and has harmed many animal species who weren't the target of the spraying. I don't need to play the russian roulette with an automatic weapon, full clip, to know that it's bad.
Forth, we banned it after we had used it to stop Malaria. Other nations could do the same.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 23, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
The fact is that DDT was banned when it was demonstrated that it's bad enough for humans. Was thanks to public uproar? Yes. But no public uproar can ban you from drinking clean water.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:08 pmSorry Squeege, the oil remark's were for hacked up bob....Blessings
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:10 pmEvil Spaniard
But no public uproar can ban you from drinking clean water.
But apparently it can help you catch malaria.
It's cost/benefit that's worth it in my mind. Spray for a decade to disrupt the breeding cycle to get rid of Malaria. The millions of lives saved are worth the thousands of birth defects it will cause.
Also, I'm agnostic, so inbreeding isn't a biblical No-No to me, just a legal one.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:24 pmoh weird, Evil Spaniard, you've got one of those disappearing/re-appearing comments going on.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:25 pmoh weird, Evil Spaniard, you’ve got one of those disappearing/re-appearing comments going on.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 23, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Yeah, what an honour *sheesh*
BTW, I said CLEAN water.
And, spreading for a decade means a series of things: mosquitos develop a resistance, because there exists a generation, if not more, per year, while humans have a generation every 15 to 30 years, being generous. And, DDT it's not the only pesticide out there, and it's the most toxic, older in discovery, persistant, and accumulative in body tissues. Hardly the best choice.
And, if you're so eager to save lives, fight for the cheapening of pesticides sold by the USA to third world countries.
Last bit: only legally? So, if you're sure you wouldn't be caught, you'll engage into it? Wow.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:43 pmLast bit: only legally? So, if you’re sure you wouldn’t be caught, you’ll engage into it? Wow.
Ha, I just threw that part in there due to your section in the disappearing one. About how you know I'd respond with that just to deflect the conversation.
DDT it’s not the only pesticide out there, and it’s the most toxic, older in discovery, persistant, and accumulative in body tissues. Hardly the best choice.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:49 pmIt's also one of the cheapest, and until the insects develop a resistance, the most effective.
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May 23rd, 2007 at 2:51 pmBTW, I said CLEAN water.
Right, I was commenting on the public uproar part, not the clean water part. as in public uproar can help you die of malaria, by making it harder to spray pesticides.
May 23rd, 2007 at 2:51 pmThanks to you all for caring/
I shall return.
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:26 pmYay, Clyde!!
Lots of love to you!
May 23rd, 2007 at 3:57 pm...and until the insects develop a resistance...
Comment by squegeebooo — May 23, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
interesting that you didn't add that part until someone pointed it out to you.
the value of oversight and regulation can't be underestimated.
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:34 pminteresting that you didn’t add that part until someone pointed it out to you.
Dude, I pointed it out in my first post of any substance about DDT, at 12:41
Now I did phrase it differently, but it's right there, at the start of my post
May 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmYes, there is some natural immunity, and eventually DDT, like any other pesticide or antibiotic will become ineffective.
but the meaning is the same, at least to me it is.
BTW, Squeg, I think this vaccine is far more promissing than DDT:
http://www.euroresidentes.com/Blogs/2005/11/malaria-vaccine-seems-nearer.htm
And no need of sacrifice non born fetuses.
May 24th, 2007 at 6:53 am