*That’s* what you call “high probability?”

I think you need a *wee bit* more evidence to show that it’s not simply a matter of nervous freshman Senators from more conservative parts of the country making a bad judgment call.

That last bit is critical. On the one hand, grand proclamations that a “defeat” in Iraq would be a disaster for us. On the other, absolutely no sense of urgency about providing the resources necessary for the massive, long-term commitment required. Why? Why? I’ll tell you why. It’s because they themselves know that the story doesn’t hold up. They themselves know that the minute they really started ACTING like they believed their own rhetoric, the whole thing would collapse.

So all we get is this politically useful pretense. It’s a fraud, and the proof is that even the wingnuts don’t come within a million miles of calling for (let alone demonstrating) anything like the kind of sacrifice and national commitment necessary to winning a genuine existential threat of the kind they claim “Islamo-fascism” to be. It’s a lie, pure and simple. Some of think they believe it, I have no doubt, but the evidence abounds all around them that in fact they really don’t.

War in Iraq 31%
Economy/jobs 8%
Gas/oil crisis 7%
Immigration 7%
Health care 5%
Terrorism 3%
President Bush 3%
(…)

Just some pesky facts for reality-challenged Patrick and co. When asked to say what the biggest problem for the country is (without having to chose from a pre-defined list), immigration is mentioned by only 7% of respondents. Bush is now seen by Americans as as much of a threat to the country as Bin Laden…

And the reason TP didn’t refer to it is their audience aren’t morons like you and could understand that if only 27% declare themselves Republicans, it illustrates a catastrophic collapse in idenitification with Bush’s version of the Republican Party.

Twenty Seven Percent.
27%
Out of 100, only 27 still call themselves Republicans.

Just in case anyone else hasn’t noticed…. people won’t call themselves Republicans anymore. Only 27%.

Thanks, Patrick for reminding us!

Ummm. You haven’t been paying attention much attention, huh?

Beefeater obviously has a case of CJD from eating beef with BSE.

I cannot in good conscience support you in any way ever again. This will apply for any office. You received the same message as all Democrats nationwide: GO TO WASHINGTON, END THE WAR. Then you showed that you were exactly the same as all previous Democrats: weak, craven, cowardly, and stupid.

Never again, Senator McCaskill. I will be looking for your primary opposition in 2012.

Note to Rep Cleaver: thank you. My respect for you has always been strong and remains so to this day.

The term dictator is loaded but I’m not going to disagree. One thing is certain a large terror attack will give Bush another “great opprotunity” as DeLay called 911.

Another attack is their ace in the hole. The best way to look at 911 is that Cheney and Rice stepped back and waited for it, ready to take advantage. Bush was of course disengaged and ignorant. Even if such was not the conscious plan by Cheney and the gang that was the way it played out. Call it a subconscious plan if you will, the result was a wet dream come true for them.

I won’t suggest for a moment that they would allow another attack as tens of thousands of individuals are working, some illegally of course, to prevent it. They are not in a position to ‘allow’ an attack. However they are in the position to benefit from one.

Looks like you short-sighted conservatives have already failed on the “quick” part of your equation. You’ve also failed on making it a “success” but you all are more than happy to ignore that fact and live in a state of denial.

How sweet it could be. Sugar to Hydrogen conversion (starch–coming soon to a store near you?) with yummy leftovers like high fructose corn syrup =)