Comments on: Army still refuses to give unit full year at home. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:19:32 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: CaptainMantastic http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-2/#comment-3820778 CaptainMantastic Thu, 24 May 2007 20:05:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820778 mikeandjeffsmom. No need. I sincerely wish the best for your family. Although we want it by different means, we all want our troops home (sooner the better, but the right way). I appreciate that you view is different than mine. mikeandjeffsmom. No need. I sincerely wish the best for your family. Although we want it by different means, we all want our troops home (sooner the better, but the right way). I appreciate that you view is different than mine.

]]> By: mikeandjeffsmom http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-2/#comment-3820710 mikeandjeffsmom Thu, 24 May 2007 19:39:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820710 I did not mean to suggest that he would be a quality exception. I am just saying that the officers he reports to in his first year or so may not have the experience that normally goes with the rank. Good people do sometimes get promoted faster than they should. I am sure that you have seen this happen in industry. There are things we all learn with experience, and I am sure that that is true in the Army too. So, I am sorry if I sounded like I was dissing any of his future officers. They all deserve our respect. I did not mean to suggest that he would be a quality exception. I am just saying that the officers he reports to in his first year or so may not have the experience that normally goes with the rank. Good people do sometimes get promoted faster than they should. I am sure that you have seen this happen in industry. There are things we all learn with experience, and I am sure that that is true in the Army too.

So, I am sorry if I sounded like I was dissing any of his future officers. They all deserve our respect.

]]> By: CaptainMantastic http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-2/#comment-3820633 CaptainMantastic Thu, 24 May 2007 19:00:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820633 mikeandjeffsmom. I wish the best for you and your son. I believe you son's choice is brave and honorable. I can imagine your son is not joining for money, or because he has no other options, or because he is not intelligent enough for a civilian job. Do you mean tell me, however, that although you don't understand your son's decision; you are confident that he is an exception of "quality" in a sea of "lower quality soldiers" reporting to "less qualified officers"? To be honest it sounds selectively naive and smacks of the same condescension that you accuse others. mikeandjeffsmom. I wish the best for you and your son. I believe you son’s choice is brave and honorable. I can imagine your son is not joining for money, or because he has no other options, or because he is not intelligent enough for a civilian job.

Do you mean tell me, however, that although you don’t understand your son’s decision; you are confident that he is an exception of “quality” in a sea of “lower quality soldiers” reporting to “less qualified officers”?

To be honest it sounds selectively naive and smacks of the same condescension that you accuse others.

]]> By: mikeandjeffsmom http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-2/#comment-3820576 mikeandjeffsmom Thu, 24 May 2007 18:36:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820576 Not Canadian, I confess to having no freaking idea why my son has chosen this path, but I am incredibly proud that he has. The reduction in "quality" recruits worries me, as these will be the soldiers that he will be leading when he graduates in 2010. The Army is also losing lots of Captains and Majors who aren't re-upping when their reenlistment date rolls around. The Army anticipates that they are going to have to waive some of the time conditions for promotion in the coming years. So, my son will be leading lower-quality soldiers while reporting to less-qualified officers. And this has me more worried than anything else. I think this is what they mean when they say that Bush is breaking the Army. Not Canadian, I confess to having no freaking idea why my son has chosen this path, but I am incredibly proud that he has. The reduction in “quality” recruits worries me, as these will be the soldiers that he will be leading when he graduates in 2010. The Army is also losing lots of Captains and Majors who aren’t re-upping when their reenlistment date rolls around. The Army anticipates that they are going to have to waive some of the time conditions for promotion in the coming years. So, my son will be leading lower-quality soldiers while reporting to less-qualified officers. And this has me more worried than anything else.

I think this is what they mean when they say that Bush is breaking the Army.

]]> By: CaptainMantastic http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-2/#comment-3820540 CaptainMantastic Thu, 24 May 2007 18:23:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820540 Not Canadian Yet. Your family must be very proud of your dependence on others to ensure your rights. Don't worry, even if you move to Canada, we will be here to ensure that someone won't force the women in your life to cover their faces and give up their right to vote. You obviously won't (or can't). Not Canadian Yet. Your family must be very proud of your dependence on others to ensure your rights. Don’t worry, even if you move to Canada, we will be here to ensure that someone won’t force the women in your life to cover their faces and give up their right to vote. You obviously won’t (or can’t).

]]> By: Craig Mack http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-2/#comment-3820433 Craig Mack Thu, 24 May 2007 17:49:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820433 Morning all As service members, we can't just "up and quit" because we don't like the area. (my opinion) We signed a commitment, knowing that there was a war going on, and we would probably be going over there. Also, some of us have a career to think of, as well as families to feed and children to raise. Both of which are impossible to do from jail, or canada. Also, I can chose to not follow any orders I deem as illegal or immoral in relation to a SPECIFIC order. For instance "Sarge, you have recieved orders to Iraq", although disheartening, is not an illegal order. (no matter what your opinion is, it's not) However, "Sarge, you need to fire into that crowd, because we feel like they MIGHT be a threat" is an illegal order, and I would chose not to follow that order. Would i get in trouble, maybe, but after the investigation, I would be cleared. I'm not saying, I'm just saying... Morning all

As service members, we can’t just “up and quit” because we don’t like the area. (my opinion) We signed a commitment, knowing that there was a war going on, and we would probably be going over there. Also, some of us have a career to think of, as well as families to feed and children to raise. Both of which are impossible to do from jail, or canada.
Also, I can chose to not follow any orders I deem as illegal or immoral in relation to a SPECIFIC order. For instance “Sarge, you have recieved orders to Iraq”, although disheartening, is not an illegal order. (no matter what your opinion is, it’s not) However, “Sarge, you need to fire into that crowd, because we feel like they MIGHT be a threat” is an illegal order, and I would chose not to follow that order. Would i get in trouble, maybe, but after the investigation, I would be cleared.

I’m not saying, I’m just saying…

]]> By: Not Canadian Yet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-2/#comment-3820432 Not Canadian Yet Thu, 24 May 2007 17:49:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820432 majm, Sorry, I have several decorated retired servicemen in my family, and a couple of friends in Iraq presently. I meant no disrepect to anyone who's NOT ill, maimed, or retarded. I was trying to illustrate the decrease in quality recruits due to the quagmire we know find ourselves in. ROTC might be a fun way to play "army", until you find yourself crouched over in the back of a Humvee in 120 degree heat. But then again, I'm not subserviant enough to EVER join the Military. I've got scene control, and a GREAT life which doesn't involve killing anyone - thanks to people like your son. majm,
Sorry, I have several decorated retired servicemen in my family, and a couple of friends in Iraq presently. I meant no disrepect to anyone who’s NOT ill, maimed, or retarded.

I was trying to illustrate the decrease in quality recruits due to the quagmire we know find ourselves in.

ROTC might be a fun way to play “army”, until you find yourself crouched over in the back of a Humvee in 120 degree heat.

But then again, I’m not subserviant enough to EVER join the Military.
I’ve got scene control, and a GREAT life which doesn’t involve killing anyone – thanks to people like your son.

]]> By: mikeandjeffsmom http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-1/#comment-3820265 mikeandjeffsmom Thu, 24 May 2007 16:56:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820265 "Not a Canadian", my son signed up for 8 years when he accepted his Army ROTC scholarship to Norwich. He is not ill, maimed or retarded. Doesn't mean that I am happy about this by any means. But we should keep the attacks restricted to Repugs and trolls, if that is OK with you. “Not a Canadian”, my son signed up for 8 years when he accepted his Army ROTC scholarship to Norwich. He is not ill, maimed or retarded. Doesn’t mean that I am happy about this by any means. But we should keep the attacks restricted to Repugs and trolls, if that is OK with you.

]]> By: mikeandjeffsmom http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-1/#comment-3820252 mikeandjeffsmom Thu, 24 May 2007 16:53:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820252 Yup, Capt.M., our troops over in Iraq are so supportive that the Army will no longer allow them to post to MySpace or to YouTube. Seems like some of them were not doing the right kind of "supporting". Yup, Capt.M., our troops over in Iraq are so supportive that the Army will no longer allow them to post to MySpace or to YouTube. Seems like some of them were not doing the right kind of “supporting”.

]]> By: CaptainMantastic http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-1/#comment-3820110 CaptainMantastic Thu, 24 May 2007 16:04:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820110 I'm asking an honest question here. Are progressives highlighting this issue out of concern for our troops, who are working very hard for us, in Iraq? Or are progressives using this issue to help promote a politically advantageous withdrawal and surrender from Iraq? Most troops in Iraq support the effort. I'm sure they would also appreciate your support of the effort. If we agree our troops are being stretched too thin, shouldn't we increase our troop strentgh and promote a successful effort? I’m asking an honest question here. Are progressives highlighting this issue out of concern for our troops, who are working very hard for us, in Iraq? Or are progressives using this issue to help promote a politically advantageous withdrawal and surrender from Iraq?

Most troops in Iraq support the effort. I’m sure they would also appreciate your support of the effort. If we agree our troops are being stretched too thin, shouldn’t we increase our troop strentgh and promote a successful effort?

]]> By: Not Canadian Yet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-1/#comment-3820095 Not Canadian Yet Thu, 24 May 2007 15:58:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820095 Capt., This should be easy for you. What's brown and sounds like a bell? <em>"DUNG".</em> Exactly how does increasing the budget equal more troop rotation? WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TROOPS. Funding doesn't solve this, but re-deployment would. Only the ill, maimed and the retarded are joining the service now. Capt.,

This should be easy for you.

What’s brown and sounds like a bell?

“DUNG”.

Exactly how does increasing the budget equal more troop rotation?

WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH TROOPS. Funding doesn’t solve this, but re-deployment would. Only the ill, maimed and the retarded are joining the service now.

]]> By: Not Canadian Yet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-1/#comment-3820086 Not Canadian Yet Thu, 24 May 2007 15:55:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820086 <em>Life was so much better for Iraqis under the mass graves and rape rooms. Comment by Patrick1</em> The first accurate thing you've EVER posted. Life was so much better for Iraqis under the mass graves and rape rooms.

Comment by Patrick1

The first accurate thing you’ve EVER posted.

]]> By: David B http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-1/#comment-3820084 David B Thu, 24 May 2007 15:54:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820084 Military service is now just a job like anyother. Doesn't the volunteer sign a contract or agreement? If these issues are not covered in such a covenant then same on the signee for not inquiring. If they are covered, why isn't it considered a breech of contract when changed without acknowledgement? Military service is now just a job like anyother. Doesn’t the volunteer sign a contract or agreement? If these issues are not covered in such a covenant then same on the signee for not inquiring. If they are covered, why isn’t it considered a breech of contract when changed without acknowledgement?

]]> By: CaptainMantastic http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-1/#comment-3820081 CaptainMantastic Thu, 24 May 2007 15:53:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820081 If we are arguing that our troops are extended, are we also arguing that we need to increase the military budget, for more soldiers to rotate in? If we are arguing that our troops are extended, are we also arguing that we need to increase the military budget, for more soldiers to rotate in?

]]> By: CaptainMantastic http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-1/#comment-3820078 CaptainMantastic Thu, 24 May 2007 15:51:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820078 Not Canadian Yet. I don't see where we disagree. I am saying that it would be better for the Iraqi's if the horrible U.S. lead occupation was ended. Don't you agree? Not Canadian Yet. I don’t see where we disagree. I am saying that it would be better for the Iraqi’s if the horrible U.S. lead occupation was ended. Don’t you agree?

]]> By: the heathen http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-1/#comment-3820071 the heathen Thu, 24 May 2007 15:49:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820071 Patrick1, The list of deserters would include George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condalezza Rice, Donald Rumsfield, all members of Congress who voted for the war, all members of Congress (and their families) who chicken out from their responsibility to the American people... They have deserted America. Patrick1,
The list of deserters would include George Bush, Dick Cheney, Condalezza Rice, Donald Rumsfield, all members of Congress who voted for the war, all members of Congress (and their families) who chicken out from their responsibility to the American people…
They have deserted America.

]]> By: Not Canadian Yet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-1/#comment-3820051 Not Canadian Yet Thu, 24 May 2007 15:44:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820051 #37 stick a sock in it chieft, or, if your SO CONCERNED for the Iraqi's, join the Peace Corps, or Red Cross. Oops, nevermind. Repukes like to have OTHER people do their jobs for them. #37 stick a sock in it chieft, or, if your SO CONCERNED for the Iraqi’s, join the Peace Corps, or Red Cross.

Oops, nevermind. Repukes like to have OTHER people do their jobs for them.

]]> By: Not Canadian Yet http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-1/#comment-3820042 Not Canadian Yet Thu, 24 May 2007 15:42:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820042 Hey P*ssy1, <em>bravest words come from the safest places. </em> Head over to Iraq and get on your high-horse and preach the good word of fighting the good fight! Take your message STRAIGHT TO THE PEOPLE who need your words of wisdom. Nevermind, you're a wussy chickensh*t just like Dumbya. Hey P*ssy1, bravest words come from the safest places.

Head over to Iraq and get on your high-horse and preach the good word of fighting the good fight!

Take your message STRAIGHT TO THE PEOPLE who need your words of wisdom.

Nevermind, you’re a wussy chickensh*t just like Dumbya.

]]> By: LandSurveyor http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-1/#comment-3820037 LandSurveyor Thu, 24 May 2007 15:40:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820037 9 months is a long time. 9 months is a long time.

]]> By: joe http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/comment-page-1/#comment-3820035 joe Thu, 24 May 2007 15:39:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/24/army-still-refusing-to-give-unit-full-year-at-home/#comment-3820035 We can now add "surrender" to the list of words that Patrick1 can't define. Right along with "victory," "pre-emptive," "democracy," "winning," "truthful," and "strategy." We can now add “surrender” to the list of words that Patrick1 can’t define.

Right along with “victory,” “pre-emptive,” “democracy,” “winning,” “truthful,” and “strategy.”

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