What the war is doing to our soldiers.
What the war is doing to our soldiers.
Read this stunning account by Capt. Jeff Leonard, an Army counselor deployed in Iraq (it continues after the jump):
“No, sir, I don’t really sleep. Well, maybe an hour or two, then I get up. I don’t want to dream,” the soldier said to us. His name was Staff Sgt. Johnson. He was a good soldier, and you could tell when you spoke to him. He was a man of honor. He was ashamed to be speaking with us, but his leaders had insisted. He had served three combat tours as a squad leader in a line unit. His body and his hands shook during pauses in his speaking and he stared at us, and sometimes past us, with a wide-eyed look of hyper alertness. He had just returned from leave and two guys in his squad were killed days before his return.
“You know, I think I thought, or…you would think, that each time you lose someone in combat it would be easier, but it’s not. It’s not.” He shook his head and looked away from Maj. Johns and down at the floor. “It’s not,” he repeated as he stared at the floor. He looked back up at me nervously, still shaking his head. When he finally stopped shaking his head, his body erupted into a tiny tremor as he tried to keep still. He pressed and rubbed his palms against his knees as he sat, presumably to try and stop his hands from shaking. “Every time someone dies, I relive all of the other deaths. Over and over.” He shook his head and looked back down at the floor and the tremor began again.
“That’s a very normal response,” Maj. Johns said. I nodded and Staff Sgt. Johnson nodded back at us sadly, and then looked away.
“You know, I think going home on leave really told me how bad I was.”
“What happened on your leave?” Maj. Johns asked.
“Well, not too much really. Well, the first few days were good.”
“What did you do the first few days?”
“I checked into a nice hotel and got a bottle of scotch and I didn’t come out for about four or five days. It was great. I didn’t get drunk. I just sipped, you know?”
“What were you doing in there all that time?” Maj. Johns asked.
“Just staring at the wall really,” he answered, and then drifted his gaze past us as if remembering. “I didn’t turn on the TV or anything. I just stared at the wall. Well, for the first three days anyway. I know it sounds weird but it was really great.”
“Then what happened?”
“Well, then my girlfriend came. And don’t get me wrong. I love her and she’s a great girl and all but it just wasn’t the same after she came. She’s great though. She’s so understanding.”
“How did things go with your girlfriend? Did you get along okay?”
“Oh yah, we didn’t fight at all. No, we got along. But…” he looked from Maj. Johns toward me and hesitated.
“But what, man?” I asked.
“Well, I couldn’t do it, you know? I mean sex. We didn’t have sex at all. Her skin just felt really weird. You know what I mean?” He sort of squinted and cocked his head to the side slightly when he asked if we knew what he meant.
“No, not exactly. What did her skin feel like to you? Describe it to us,” Maj. Johns replied.
“Like rubber, like an animal,” he crinkled his cheeks as he remembered, as if it were repulsive to him. “Like she wasn’t real.”
We talked with Staff Sgt. Johnson for a while longer. He was one of the worst we had ever seen. When we mentioned the thought of him taking his squad out again he simply said, “I can’t. I won’t. I won’t load another body onto that chopper. I can’t. I won’t.”
And another great example of Bush supporting the troops.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:37 amAgain, surrender is the only answer!
May 24th, 2007 at 11:37 amit’s killing them. driving them to kill or be killed. There is nothing more inhumane. period.
but, of course, the politicians never like to talk about the real cost of war - the human cost. Instead they talk about numbers - spending, and statistics….collateral damage.
This is disgusting and needs to stop. now.
Some reading on this:
May 24th, 2007 at 11:37 am“Collateral Damage is Murder”
http://www.populistamerica.com/collateral_damage_is_murder
An entire generation of our military is being systematically destroyed by this meat grinder of an endless occupation with no discernible goals.
Fortunately, Chimpy has Blackwater to fall back on…and the fact that they’re a mercenary outfit with no bothersome loyalty to the Constitution, the nation, or anything except the person who signs their paychecks, is doubly fortunate for this criminal administration.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:40 amcant stand the heat get out the desert
May 24th, 2007 at 11:41 amPatrick can take SSgt Johnson’s place.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:42 amBush is responsible for soldiers becoming paranoid.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:42 amThese are the guys Bush is rushing to send back for another tour. Got to get them back before they realize they need help and cost the VA money. Bush is going to keep sending the same guys back until they get killed to save money. That’s his idea of being fiscally conservative.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:42 amThis is its own crime against humanity.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:43 amThese soldiers are having theirs ground out of them.
The period after this mess is over will see many of these soldiers committing suicide unless an extraordinary effort is made to care for their spiritual/phsychological needs.
It’s unfortunate that these things happen. Perhaps he wasn’t prepared for death and perhaps certain types of folks shouldn’t enlist. But to me the real crime here is the total absence of attempt to increase troop levels to relieve stressed out soldiers.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:43 amAgain, put up or shut up, Patricia.
Enlist. Show the courage of your convictions (assuming you possess it).
May 24th, 2007 at 11:44 amLandSurveyor sez:
And where exactly are these troops supposed to come from, LS?
Are you advocating reinstating the draft?
May 24th, 2007 at 11:45 amIgnore the troll.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:45 amSSgt Johnson has been handed a life sentence by George W. Bush, just so he could make his “base” a shitload of money.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:45 amP*ssy1,
Keyboard commando, GO F*CK YOURSELF.
Your mouth is writing checks your ass can’t cash son.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:46 amI dont question their honor, sacrifice, or ability. I only question the necessity of their presence in Iraq. It is a shame and disgrace that our soldiers are being kept there. I roll my eyes when I hear the ‘fight them there’ excuse. I still say there is little threat they will come here. They may try, which I welcome, for they would fail, but I dont see the point in making our soldiers and Iraq bear the burden.
I am constantly reminded of the movie Clash of the Titans, where Calibos is at the foot of the statue of Thetis, and he exclaims “I want justice!” To which she inquires, “Justice, or revenge?”
May 24th, 2007 at 11:46 amWhat’s the point of this?
We’ve suffered significantly worse casualties in every other war. Is TP suggesting that this soldier is somehow worthy of more sympathy than the veterans of other wars? Is this supposed to garner support for immediate withdrawal? Where are the interviews with the troops that are doing ok? Stop trying to politicize the war in Iraq by playing on our sympathies.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:47 amPerhaps he wasn’t prepared for death
Comment by LandSurveyor
Is this post real? Who is prepared for death, huh? You really know nothing about watching dead people right?
May 24th, 2007 at 11:47 amIGNORANCE OR BUST! IT’S THE REPUBLICAN WAY.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:48 amLandSurveyor > you could enlist since Dubya needs more soldiers for Iraq, plus they need guys to survey the Oil fields for more wells.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:48 amPatrick can take SSgt Johnson’s place.
Comment by Zooey
patrick1 would get fragged his first week out.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:48 ampeople as stupid as patrick1 do not last long in a combat zone.
It’s unfortunate that these things happen. Perhaps he wasn’t prepared for death and perhaps certain types of folks shouldn’t enlist. But to me the real crime here is the total absence of attempt to increase troop levels to relieve stressed out soldiers.
Comment by LandSurveyor
Don’t you dare blame SSgt Johnson for this.
Do you think this war is justified? Get your ass over there and take his place. I’m sure you’re much tougher than he is.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:48 amA weary soldier’s gaze is also known as the “Thousand-yard stare”.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:48 amExtended time in combat and/or a certain event can trigger it.
If you think seeing one guy like that is alarming, wait till you see a whole group wondering through war torn towns like zombies.
Sounds like he’s at a threshold and he’s trying to fight it, as I’m sure most of them over there are.
And the Bush administration wouldn’t have it any other way.
Staff Sgt. Johnson’s behavior is all classic Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and sounds eerily similar to the accounts recorded by Jonathan Shay in his book Achilles in Vietnam. The tragic part of all this is that Sgt. Johnson has years of struggling with these demons ahead of him — all for lies and a misguided policy. Bush and his neocon pals will of course lose no sleep over this, safe and sound as they are stateside cheering on others’ sacrifice.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:48 amAgain, surrender is the only answer!
Comment by Patrick1
You are not funny at all. Not at all. At first your little comments were sort of amusing - but not anymore. You have a hatred for this country and what it stands (or used to stand for) for. You make fun of our brave soldiers and you contibute NOTHING to any meaningful discussion. You are the embodiment of the republican party: Racist, bigoted, WRONG, unpatriotic, no sense of history, nothing good at all. Every word you type, makes it more clear what your side of the political fence is all about.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:49 amTrolls,
May 24th, 2007 at 11:49 amAnd when you see these people 5-10 years from now holding signs by freeway off-ramps, you are gonna be the same ones who tell them to
f-ing get a job. How can the trolls consider themselves humans anymore? I sincerely hope their God judges them harshly.
patrick1 would get fragged his first week out.
people as stupid as patrick1 do not last long in a combat zone.
Comment by Wayne
Really? That’s too bad.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:50 amAgain, surrender is the only answer!
Comment by Patrick1
cant stand the heat get out the desert
Comment by Patrick1
You clueless, cowardly cocksucker.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:50 amMy personal feeling is that pro war politicians should be urging enlistment and sacrifice (in addition to enlistment advertisements by th military). I’m on the fence about a draft.
Don’t get me wrong I think the Iraq war is wrong. Wrong for America, the world, and for ending terrorism.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:51 amIf Sgt. Johnson gets killed or maimed, then Bush himself is personally responsible for what happens to him.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:54 amThere’s a problem here at ThinkProgress. Most of the time the regulars sound like terrorist sympathizers who couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the soldiers. So threads like these really bring out the freaky comments.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:54 amWhere are the interviews with the troops that are doing ok? Stop trying to politicize the war in Iraq by playing on our sympathies.
Comment by Fac ut vivas
Does this story make you feel uncomfortable? Or sorry? Are these feelings something you’re unfamiliar with? Hey, support the troops, right?
Well then, GET STARTED SUPPORTING THEM — ALL OF THEM.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:55 amYou know, if we were all in a room and having this conversation, the trolls who dared make these assine statements wouldn’t be leaving the room standing upright. Not like they would step in in the first place…..
May 24th, 2007 at 11:55 amI doubt too many policemen would cite us, either
Don’t you dare blame SSgt Johnson for this.
Do you think this war is justified? Get your ass over there and take his place. I’m sure you’re much tougher than he is.
Comment by Zooey
You guys never tire of this pathetic argument—do you? If one supports the war, then they must go. As you said the other day, “I call Bullshit!”
May 24th, 2007 at 11:56 amWhether the war is justified or not, we are in it. I’m sorry that it happens, but some soldiers can’t handle it. Now in addition to his troubles, SSgt Johnson is being used to advance your agenda.
LandSurveyor, you’re just not sitting on the fence, you’re sitting right on top of the fencepost, on purpose, ’cause you like the way it feels.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:56 amAre you advocating reinstating the draft?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
reinstating the draft, with no deferments is the only we could keep the insane levels of deployment going without a total breakdown of the military.
No deferments so the rich HAVE to pay the same price (in lives) as the poor.
It isn’t going to happen, and the lame-ass democrats don’t have the guts to force the end of the WAR or even the guts to defend the constitution against a rogue presidency and impeach.
RIP habeus corpus, posse comatatus, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:58 amI just think there is an inherent irony about headstrong soldiers. They are passionate, so that makes them prone to emotional distress in my opinion. I’m not blaming this poor guy.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:58 amYou lefties are hateful.
patrick1 would get fragged his first week out.
people as stupid as patrick1 do not last long in a combat zone.
Comment by Wayne
Well, shit happens. The recruiters are on their way to your house now P1. Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:58 amThis article reinforces the belief that impeachment is the only remedy that can be used, outside of many of them being tried in The Hague for war crimes, against this administration for the misery that they have caused the Iraqi people.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:59 amhttp://seattlepi.nwsource.com/ opinion/ 316925_legaloccup24.html
Where are the interviews with the troops that are doing ok?
Comment by Fac ut vivas
We’ll have that for you as soon as we find one. Asswipe.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:00 pmLandSurveyor, you’re just not sitting on the fence, you’re sitting right on top of the fencepost, on purpose, ’cause you like the way it feels.
Very nice. You and Juan C. should go get your colons cleaned together. Maybe a steam bath and a margarita.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:00 pmTrolls,
And when you see these people 5-10 years from now holding signs by freeway off-ramps, you are gonna be the same ones who tell them to
f-ing get a job. How can the trolls consider themselves humans anymore? I sincerely hope their God judges them harshly.
Comment by Bluedahlia
That’s quite the pessimistic outlook you have there Bluedahlia, I’m sure SSgt Johnson would love to hear your rosy outlook for him. And you question our humanity?
May 24th, 2007 at 12:00 pmFac ut vivas
Aw, poor baby. You don’t like it when FACTS are used to advance an agenda, do you GOP-sucker?
May 24th, 2007 at 12:01 pmFac ut vivas,
You hit on an interesting point. I think if folks here restricted their comments to what they would be willing to say to someone’s face it would drastically change the tone here. That goes for the Righties, too.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:02 pmWhen Cheney and Bush say “Support Our Troops”, they mean “Support Our Oil And Weapons Cronies”. When Cheney and Bush say “We Are Patriotic” they mean “We Are Traitors To Everything America Stands For”. When Cheney And Bush say “Stay The Course” they mean “Send Your Families To Die For Us”. When Cheney and Bush say “Freedom” they mean “We Are Shredding Your Constitution, Eliminating Your Privacy, Stealing Your Rights, And Destroying Your Liberty”. When Cheney And Bush Say “Rule Of Law” they mean “Felony Blackbox Election Theft”, “Massive Corporate Welfare” and “Widespread Criminal Malfeasance In Everything We Do”.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:02 pmAnyone who doubts that the Left is overrun by intolerant and hate-filled miscreants need only to look at the message boards on any topic here at TP. Conservatives and the Right are served up like fresh meat to piranhas multiple times a day. We’re accused of bigotry and intolerance. We’re called hate-filled and immoral, but what do we find here—examples of moral superiority—decent and honorable behavior? Surely not! If the Left is so much better than the Right, why don’t they show us what that looks like? Give us the shining examples of tolerance, morality and intellectual superiority that supposedly are in your possession. Show us your upstanding character and your better way. Sadly, you are only reflections of your leaders—pessimistic, narrow-minded, and devoid of anything constructive. You love your ideals more than life itself and policy more than humanity. You’ve shown us that time and again by the way you disagree.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:03 pmComment by Fac ut vivas — May 24, 2007 @ 11:56 am
Bullshit, right back ya. The only agenda you’re going to find on ThinkProgress is to stop this vanity war and bring these troops home. I’m sorry if YOU have a problem with that. You don’t give a shit about the troops — we do.
SSgt Johnson’s life is ruined, for nothing. Since you’re ok with that, you can go f*ck yourself.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:04 pmMy personal feeling is that pro war politicians should be urging enlistment and sacrifice (in addition to enlistment advertisements by th military). I’m on the fence about a draft.
Comment by LandSurveyor
There is CONTINUAL advertising on shows that reach the recruiting demographic. Maybe you should watch something besides Fox news where the demographic is idiots 60-100 years old.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:05 pmNo, Fac ut vivas, what you’ll find here are a bunch of words typed up by advanced primates.
Way to complicate things!
May 24th, 2007 at 12:05 pmFac ut vivas
Methinks you’re giving too much credence to a FREAKIN’ BLOG. And if you think there’s intolerance here, head to Redstate, IDIOT.
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There’s a problem here at ThinkProgress. Most of the time the regulars sound like terrorist sympathizers who couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the soldiers. So threads like these really bring out the freaky comments.
Comment by LandSurveyor
Sure idiot, whatever you say. Because we don’t think innocent people should die we’re terrorist sympathizers. Get you head out of your ass, you need some fresh air.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:07 pm#34
Not just some soldiers, 30% of soldiers that serve in a combat zone come back with PTSD. That’s a fact. Worse is without question the worst evil. So… is not a leader who sends troops to war needlessly, based on false pretenses, also the worst kind of evil. I think so.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:07 pmI have been blogging here for years. The level of discussion on the left has turned to crap. Hatefilled and condascending. Good god go get a beer or play a video game or something. Exercise! Anything!
May 24th, 2007 at 12:07 pmI doubt too many policemen would cite us, either
Comment by Bluedahlia
Justifiable homicide, definitely!
May 24th, 2007 at 12:08 pmAn entire generation of our military is being systematically destroyed by this meat grinder of an endless occupation with no discernible goals.
But of course there’s a goal: protect Bush’s ego.
That’s all they’re dying for any more.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:08 pm.
You hit on an interesting point. I think if folks here restricted their comments to what they would be willing to say to someone’s face it would drastically change the tone here. That goes for the Righties, too.
Comment by LandSurveyor
I would say all of what I have posted here to your face.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:08 pmConservatives and the Right are served up like fresh meat to piranhas multiple times a day. We’re accused of bigotry and intolerance.
Yes, because you can only win by throwing away the black vote and scaring people about ‘Aztlan invaders.’
If it weren’t for racism, the GOP would dry up and blow away. It’s the only way they can get people to vote against their interests.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:09 pm.
I just think there is an inherent irony about headstrong soldiers. They are passionate, so that makes them prone to emotional distress in my opinion. I’m not blaming this poor guy.
You lefties are hateful.
Comment by LandSurveyor
Any you’re a coward and a liar.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:10 pmWell “fac ut vivas” (”Act/Do so that you may live”) never quite learned the classical distinction between logoi and erga, or words and deeds. A person of real action who actually lived by the words “fac ut vivas”, as opposed to a passive blogger of mere fine and patriotic speeches, would be over in Iraq. Of course if he/she was, he/she probably wouldn’t live too long.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:10 pmNow in addition to his troubles, SSgt Johnson is being used to advance your agenda.
Comment by Fac ut vivas
Because neocons nazis have no sense of empathy or compassion it might be hard for you to understand this. But some of us can try to help others for reasons other than advancing agendas. Stop projecting your selfishness and hatred on the rest of us.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:11 pmI don’t watch FOX. In fact I absolutely do not watch cable news. Period.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:12 pmI see advertisements on G4TV and some other cable channels. But that is not what I’m talking about (if you would read). I’m talkng about politicians going out of their way to do everything to relieve stress on soldiers, including stressing enlistment. On MTP, for example. Anywhere.
Come election time I will receive no less than 15 flyers from people running for office in my district. Why not send out flyers urging folks to contribute?
Gee LandSurveyor, you seem to be, how shall we say, a little TOO interested in other folk’s colons. Are you talking from life-long personal experience? God, that must mean you’re… you’re… a REPUBLICAN.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pmComment by Fac ut vivas — May 24, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
Then get your ass to the rightwing blogs where you can be happy. Obviously you have such a thin skin that you can’t take the abuse around here. Now I know why you’re not in Iraq — you’d be eating your weapon within a week.
No, I will no longer be civil where this war and it’s supporters are concerned. You and your troll-kind will not come here spewing your vile filth, and then get your feelings hurt when I throw it back at you.
Waaaaahh!! It all started when the liberal hit me back!!
Get a life.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pm“He was a man of honor”
Since when do the TP feminists care about men?
May 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pmIt’s unfortunate that these things happen. Perhaps he wasn’t prepared for death and perhaps certain types of folks shouldn’t enlist. Comment by LandSurveyor
I just think there is an inherent irony about headstrong soldiers. They are passionate, so that makes them prone to emotional distress in my opinion. I’m not blaming this poor guy.
You lefties are hateful.
Comment by LandSurveyor
Lefties are hateful? Maybe you should read your own posts. How long do you have to backpedal before you run over your own ass?
May 24th, 2007 at 12:15 pmComment by LandSurveyor — May 24, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Really? You’ve been commenting here for years? Me too, and I’ve only seen this name over the last few days.
What was your name before? Why did you change?
May 24th, 2007 at 12:17 pmThat’s quite the pessimistic outlook you have there Bluedahlia, I’m sure SSgt Johnson would love to hear your rosy outlook for him. And you question our humanity?
Comment by Fac ut vivas
What town do you live in. Don’t tell me, Bumf*ck, Nowhere. Do you have any idea how many of the homeless are veterans. No I’m not going to find the data for you. Go google yourself, idiot.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:17 pmthe republic of stupidity,
yeah you’re lowering the bar, pal. Sew your own fate. You don’t know crap about me. You throw out this schoolyard crap and you wanna change the world? A little s*** like you gonna make the world a better place? No thanks-
May 24th, 2007 at 12:18 pm“He was a man of honorâ€
Since when do the TP feminists care about men?
Comment by jonny
We LOVE men, jonny*. What do you know about yourself that makes you so sure we shouldn’t love men?
*We don’t love weak and whiny men, like YOU.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:19 pmOK I’m done. Just try to stop sounding like terrorist sympathizers. That’s all I want.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:19 pmLast year I received a letter from the Republican National Committee (I don’t know how I got on their list) asking for a donation so that they could “stop Hillary, the pro-abortionists, etc.” The letter was so full of hateful comments that I immediately sent them an email and told them never to send their hate-filled solicitations to me again.
Up until that time I had NEVER read anything so hateful in my life and it leads me to believe that their solicitation was typical and routine. It also made me realize how dangerous they are.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:21 pmComment by Fac ut vivas — May 24, 2007 @ 12:00 pm
NEW YORK – Veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts are now showing up in the nation’s homeless shelters.
While the numbers are still small, they’re steadily rising, and raising alarms in both the homeless and veterans’ communities. The concern is that these returning veterans - some of whom can’t find jobs after leaving the military, others of whom are still struggling psychologically with the war - may be just the beginning of an influx of new veterans in need.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0208/p02s01-ussc.html
Here idiot, can’t expect you to do any work you’re not paid for.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:22 pmToo many names to list. I was especially proud of my “OBGYN”-related names. Guido the Loving OBGYN, celebrating Bush’s pathetic speaking ability.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:23 pmLandwuss,
You don’t make the rules, you simply interpret them to fit your agenda.
And in your own words:
May 24th, 2007 at 12:24 pmJust try to stop sounding like an in-bred, keyboard commando chickesh*t.
That’s all WE want.
My Cousin recently married a Man who has been deployed both in Afghanistan & Iraq. I had the opportunity to meet him @ Christmas & the symptoms & demeanor are exactly what was described here.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:24 pmI thanked him for his service & he just stared @ me blankly & said he was ashamed…
Patrick can take SSgt Johnson’s place.
Comment by Zooey
Again, put up or shut up, Patricia.
Enlist. Show the courage of your convictions (assuming you possess it).
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
P*ssy1,
Keyboard commando, GO F*CK YOURSELF.
Your mouth is writing checks your ass can’t cash son.
Comment by Not Canadian Yet
patrick1 would get fragged his first week out.
people as stupid as patrick1 do not last long in a combat zone.
Comment by Wayne
How can the trolls consider themselves humans anymore? I sincerely hope their God judges them harshly.
Comment by Bluedahlia
You clueless, cowardly cocksucker.
Comment by the republic of stupidity
You know, if we were all in a room and having this conversation, the trolls who dared make these assine statements wouldn’t be leaving the room standing upright. Not like they would step in in the first place…..
I doubt too many policemen would cite us, either
Comment by Bluedahlia
Well, shit happens. The recruiters are on their way to your house now P1. Bend over and kiss your ass goodbye.
Comment by shane
SSgt Johnson’s life is ruined, for nothing. Since you’re ok with that, you can go f*ck yourself.
Comment by Zooey
See what I mean about loving your ideals more than life itself and policy more than humanity? Look at the number of attacks you’ve made in the space of 47 comments. You wish us harm, you want our God to harshly judge us, you imagine our deaths and express no sympathy—all because we don’t agree with you. And we are to believe that you really care about Ssgt Johnson?
May 24th, 2007 at 12:26 pmToo many names to list. I was especially proud of my “OBGYNâ€-related names. Guido the Loving OBGYN, celebrating Bush’s pathetic speaking ability.
Comment by LandSurveyor
You’ve changed a lot. I used to like you. I don’t anymore. What happened to make you start calling us terrorist sympathizers? You know it’s not true.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:26 pmComment by Fac ut vivas — May 24, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
Are we on your site attacking you. No you come here, to a progressive site and do everything you’re accusing us of doing. When we come to a neocon site you have a legitimate argument, but not here and not on this topic. This topic shows the hardship of war on our brave soldiers. And your demeaning the soldiers so you can attack us. F*ck you and stop whining about the way you’re treated here. You’re free to leave any time.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:26 pmFac ut vivas, project much?
May 24th, 2007 at 12:29 pmNo, I will no longer be civil where this war and it’s supporters are concerned. You and your troll-kind will not come here spewing your vile filth, and then get your feelings hurt when I throw it back at you.
Waaaaahh!! It all started when the liberal hit me back!!
Get a life.
Comment by Zooey
I assure you, you little twit that my feelings are not hurt. I’m merely pointing out your hypocrisy. You accuse the right of hate and inhumanity than repond in kind.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:31 pmSince when do the TP feminists care about men?
Comment by jonny
Oh, the impotent little hack thinks feminists don’t care about men. No women care about men like you and that’s why you’re bitter. Poor little loser.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:31 pmSee what I mean about loving your ideals more than life itself and policy more than humanity?
Don’t be an asinine fool. The lives of our military people and the innocent Iraqis are so precious that I want this vanity war to STOP, so they can STOP DYING. Those are MY ideals.
Look at the number of attacks you’ve made in the space of 47 comments.
You deserve to be attacked for your “shit happens” attitude. You accuse us of putting our ideals above life and humanity? Think again.
You wish us harm, you want our God to harshly judge us, you imagine our deaths and express no sympathy—all because we don’t agree with you.
Personally, I do not wish you harm. If you were to back up your cocky attitude and go fight in Iraq, I would not wish you harm or death. Your god will judge you harshly. That’s between you and your god. No, I have no sympathy for you, you volunteer to come here, no one forces you. You don’t have to stick around here and take our abuse, you can leave.
And we are to believe that you really care about Ssgt Johnson?
Comment by Fac ut vivas
Yes, you are. Because that’s what I’m saying. I don’t lie. I believe you when you say the vile things you say. If you don’t mean them, stop saying them.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:35 pmAny comment by Fac ut vivas -
You make me laugh because you’re doing exactly what you accuse us of.
I was so sure that someone as stupid as you MUST be putting us on!
May 24th, 2007 at 12:35 pmZooey I have made a decision about Muslims and Islam. That’s all. And I have decided to never ever project more hatred on my government than I do on suicide bombers. Period. No matter the causes no matter the dynamics no matter what a dufus Bush is.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:36 pmAnd we are to believe that you really care about Ssgt Johnson?
Comment by Fac ut vivas
Obviously you wouldn’t understand. Soldiers can be under attack 24/7 tour after tour and your fine with that. But somebody talks back to you neocon trolls and we’re evil. What a joke.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:36 pmI assure you, you little twit that my feelings are not hurt. I’m merely pointing out your hypocrisy. You accuse the right of hate and inhumanity than repond in kind.
Comment by Fac ut vivas
If you hit us, we will hit you back. Expect no less.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:37 pmAre we on your site attacking you. No you come here, to a progressive site and do everything you’re accusing us of doing. When we come to a neocon site you have a legitimate argument, but not here and not on this topic. This topic shows the hardship of war on our brave soldiers. And your demeaning the soldiers so you can attack us. F*ck you and stop whining about the way you’re treated here. You’re free to leave any time.
Comment by shane
My aren’t we sensitive? I’m not attacking you guys, I’m disagreeing with you—there is a difference. Any fair-minded reader would see the distinct differences between my comments and the ones directed to me. You are obviously not here to discuss anything–you just want to bitch. Go back to your soap opera’s and your gossip columns—i’m sure you’ll feel better.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:38 pmGeneral Patton would slap some sense into this weak minded soldier.
My left wing fellow Ameircans,
All soldiers have spoken about all wars this way. Some can take it, some can’t. That is the nature of man. To put this on my fellow President, Bush, is our typical way to blame everything on him.
I wonder why the left has never put up similar accounts of American soldiers, Rangers, that came back from Somalia in disgrace after I refused to send armored personnel.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:38 pmWhich wars had no hardship?
May 24th, 2007 at 12:39 pmYou accuse the right of hate and inhumanity than repond in kind.
Comment by Fac ut vivas
We didn’t accuse you of anything. You came to this thread and showed what you are to all of us. To advance YOUR political agenda you picked a thread on a troubled soldier to attack us. Are YOU proud of yourself? If you are you need more help that this troubled soldier.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:39 pmZooey I have made a decision about Muslims and Islam. That’s all. And I have decided to never ever project more hatred on my government than I do on suicide bombers. Period. No matter the causes no matter the dynamics no matter what a dufus Bush is.
Comment by LandSurveyor
I would have hoped you’d made a “decision” about extremists and fundamentalists — not Islam (or even Christianity) as a whole. This tells me you are allowing yourself to be dominated by fear.
This administration is more dangerous to the people in this country, our troops, and Iraqis than any terrorist.
I’m sorry to say that I feel sorry for you.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:41 pmNo, I will no longer be civil where this war and it’s supporters are concerned. You and your troll-kind will not come here spewing your vile filth, and then get your feelings hurt when I throw it back at you.
Waaaaahh!! It all started when the liberal hit me back!!
Get a life.
Comment by Zooey
I assure you, you little twit that my feelings are not hurt. I’m merely pointing out your hypocrisy. You accuse the right of hate and inhumanity than repond in kind.
Comment by Fac ut vivas — May 24, 2007 @ 12:31 pm
Fac ut vivas,
Yes, we on the left are hypocrites and full of hate. You are very right.
We cry and whine when we believe American troops are killing innocent civilians. Even though we have no proof of this. But we cheered and were awed when the Soviet Union took over Eastern Europe. We cheered and were awed when Castro killed countless Cubans who opposed him. We cheer and support Hugo Chavez who disappears any and all political opponents. We cheer Chavez despite the fact that just yesterday he sent the Venezuelan military to close down the only privately own news channel in Venezuela.
Don’t forget how in the 1960s, we the left wing wackos admired and praised Mao Tsung, how we all carried Mao Tsun’s little red book. We could careless that Mao Tsung was killing millions of Chinese, he was and still is our hero.
Don’t forget how the New York Times praised and praised over and over again Stalin, and how the left cheered the New York Times for praising Stalin. We could careless that he was and had killed millions of people.
the only time that we care that people are dying is when we perceive that America is killing innocent people. Other than that, we could careless.
We claim to care about our soldiers, but we don’t attack Democratic Senators, Congressmen and other politicians who claim that our soldiers are torturers and that are no different than the Nazi SS or those soldiers and KGB agents that ran gulags. We constantly call the military a bunch of liars.
Don’t you know that we want it both ways? We want the American people to believe that the left is compassionate and cares about our soldiers. We hope that Americans are so ingorant about history that they will forget how much harm we have always done to the military. We hope that the American people forget how we have always spat on the face of the military.
You see, we saw how in the 1970s this tactic of acting the military directly and bodly didn’t work, so today, we do it differently. We claim to love our military, yet we constantly call them liars and torturers.
I love my sycophant brainwashed followers, they do my will and the will of the Democratic Party.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:45 pm“I’m not attacking you guys…”
Comment by Fac ut vivas — May 24, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
1. little twit
2. intolerant
3. hate-filled
4. pessimistic
5. narrow-minded
6. devoid of anything constructive.
Guess fac is right after all.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:46 pmMost of the time the regulars sound like terrorist sympathizers who couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the soldiers.
Comment by LandVoyeur — May 24, 2007 @ 11:54 am
Really????
May 24th, 2007 at 12:46 pmCare to give an example of any “regular” who has sounded like a terrorist sympathizer?
Most “regulars” here are human sympathizers!
You know, the ones who want children to grow up with a father or mother, who want every. single. soldier. to come home, safe and unharmed, without any lifelong physical or mental damage.
C’mon, you know, the ones with compassionate hearts.
Which is obvious you don’t have, as your stupid a$$ comments and attacks on Sgt Johnson reveal.
(Sgt Johnson, I for one will pray for you and your family’s well being, and I. am. so. sorry. you were ever sent to an occupation based on deceipts and lies, which was never, EVER, your true duty!)
“I’m not attacking you guys…â€
Go back to your soap opera’s and your gossip columns—i’m sure you’ll feel better.
-fac ut vivas
Teh losar is you.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:47 pmImagine any effort. Starting a new job. Delivering a baby. Halftime in the locker room. Starting a business. Boxing match. Taking an entrance exam. A fireman faced with a burning building, with people inside.
Now, image someone over shoulder, saying: You’ll never make it. You can’t do it. It’s too hard.
Just so you know, that’s what you’re doing.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:47 pmWho cares, the repbulicans love you.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pmIf you hit us, we will hit you back. Expect no less.
Comment by Zooey
That’s not the way you operate. I rarely see any trolls wishing you death and harm. Most of us still respect you as a person even though we disagree with your opinions—the same can’t be said about many of you.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pmWhich wars had no hardship?
Comment by CaptainMantastic
The Stratego Wars, where today’s conservatives learned about warfare.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:49 pmZooey I have made a decision about Muslims and Islam. That’s all. And I have decided to never ever project more hatred on my government than I do on suicide bombers. Period. No matter the causes no matter the dynamics no matter what a dufus Bush is.
Comment by LandSurveyor
I would have hoped you’d made a “decision†about extremists and fundamentalists — not Islam (or even Christianity) as a whole. This tells me you are allowing yourself to be dominated by fear.
This administration is more dangerous to the people in this country, our troops, and Iraqis than any terrorist.
I’m sorry to say that I feel sorry for you.
Comment by Zooey — May 24, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
I feel sorry, and actually feel a lot of pity for left wing kooks like Zooey, who believe that our President is more dangerous than the terrorists we are fighting.
Ah, I have always known that the left was fool of idiots, I am one of them, but individuals like Zooey are beyond help.
Zooey, I was President, and I can assure you that Bush is not your enemy.
Not that you want to believe it since it would destroy you wacked out world, but I thought I let you know.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:50 pmHi, my name is fac ut vivas. I was built by hands of imperfection. I know everything that is wrong with this country, and I am required to rub my balls in hypocrisy dust in order to go out and solve the crimes of politics. I am not attacking you guys…you twit! Hypocrisy to all y’all!
May 24th, 2007 at 12:51 pmComment by President Clinton — May 24, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
You’ve got nothing, valiantthehater.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:53 pmIf you hit us, we will hit you back. Expect no less.
Comment by Zooey
That’s not the way you operate. I rarely see any trolls wishing you death and harm. Most of us still respect you as a person even though we disagree with your opinions—the same can’t be said about many of you.
Comment by Fac ut vivas — May 24, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
Fac ut vivas,
Didn’t you know, if we had it our way, we would do what Chavez, Castro, Stalin, Mao Tsugn, Hitler, etc have done. We would round up all Conservatives and have them shot, literally. We would round up all Bible thumpinig fools and kill them too.
We don’t want diversity, we don’t want people that don’t think like us, all we want is mindless robots, tools, brainwashed fools that will do the biding of the left wing wackos.
yes, as it is constantly displayed on this left wing site and many other left wing sites, we want to kill and we want death and harm to come to anyone that doesnt’ agree with our left wing ideology.
you are stating the obvious.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:54 pmComment by President Clinton — May 24, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
Still got nothing, valiantthehater.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:54 pm“No, not exactly. What did her skin feel like to you? Describe it to us,” Maj. Johns replied.
“Like rubber, like an animal,” he crinkled his cheeks as he remembered, as if it were repulsive to him. “Like she wasn’t real.”
Become familiar with the acronym PTSD: It means that a soldier has been through enough sh*t for his body to chemically poison itself with epinephrine.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:54 pmI feel great empathy towards this person. I’ve never met him, I probably never will meet him, but I feel empathy to him. He’s seen things none of us ever wish to see, and he’s seen them repeatedly. I’m not going to use this man as part of a talking point for ending the Iraq war. No, he deserves a lot more than that. For his service to his country and the betrayal our country gave back to him, there isn’t any possible way to really pay him back. That sentence was to end with some sort of reward, some way to make things better. But there simply isn’t one.
My heart goes out to our best and couragous who are still out there fighting; but most of all, to those who come home and relive it all every day…I almost want to hug this mystery person, anything to make his and other’s lives a little better. Give him some respect people, fuck your talking points on this one, right or left-wing. I might be a cold heartless bastard for most people, but these brave men and women who honorably serve our country shouldn’t be treated any less than the gods they are.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:55 pmThat’s not the way you operate. I rarely see any trolls wishing you death and harm. Most of us still respect you as a person even though we disagree with your opinions—the same can’t be said about many of you.
Comment by Fac ut vivas
Prove that I have wished harm or death on you.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:55 pm“A fireman faced with a burning building, with people inside.”
Comment by CaptainMantastic
We told you not to light the fire. Now that you have an unstoppable conflagration you’re desperate to blame the ones who warned you. Man up, Cappy, and accept responsiblity for your failures.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:56 pmOKAY TP.
We need to chat!!!
Another post of mine just mysteriously disappears, while the ilks of Mr.President and Ex Post Facto (or whatever), they of the non productive posts, continuously make it?
It is getting exceedling frustrating to take the time and effort to post meaningful discussions, only to be filtered for no apparent reason
May 24th, 2007 at 12:57 pmComment by President Clinton — May 24, 2007 @ 12:50 pm
Still got nothing, valiantthehater.
Comment by Zooey — May 24, 2007 @ 12:54 pm
Who is this individual, valianthehater, he sounds like one of you left wing kook losers?
anyway, my left wing friend. I am sorry that you believe Bush is your enemy, but believe me, that is the sign of a left wing kook.
I hated left wing kooks during my administration. Man, they would get on my nerves, always trying to push me further to the left.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:58 pmThat’s not the way you operate. I rarely see any trolls wishing you death and harm. Most of us still respect you as a person even though we disagree with your opinions—the same can’t be said about many of you.
Comment by Fac ut vivas — May 24, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
This is bullshit, I have seen very many rightwing posters discuss how they would like to round and in prison all liberals blah, blah, blah etc.
Stuff creep you can talk tell your blue in the face, deosn’t make you any better. Go check out Redstate, or powerline, they like facists like yourself.
May 24th, 2007 at 12:58 pmAnd I’m not afraid of terrorists. I just don’t think very highly of them. They’re not smart and they are not advancing their agenda in the slightest. (Unless their agenda is to take a big dump in their own beds).
May 24th, 2007 at 12:59 pmYou and Juan C. should go get your colons cleaned together. Maybe a steam bath and a margarita.
Comment by LandSurveyor
Wow…what a debater.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:00 pmAnd I’m not afraid of terrorists. I just don’t think very highly of them. They’re not smart and they are not advancing their agenda in the slightest. (Unless their agenda is to take a big dump in their own beds).
Comment by LandSurveyor
*yawn*
May 24th, 2007 at 1:01 pmComment by President Clinton — May 24, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
You can never resist several paragraphs of dreck, valiantthehater.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:02 pm“A fireman faced with a burning building, with people inside.â€
Comment by CaptainMantastic
We told you not to light the fire. Now that you have an unstoppable conflagration you’re desperate to blame the ones who warned you. Man up, Cappy, and accept responsiblity for your failures.
Comment by barfly — May 24, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
Barfly,
Must I also educate you here? son, my fellow left winger, the fire was lit long before Bush came into office.
The fire was lit back in the 1990s when I bombed Iraq, when I pass into law the Iraq Regime change policy. When I sent CIA spies as UN inspectors. It was lit when Hussein refused to comply with the UN cease fire agreements.
I mean son, we the Democratic party back during the 90s and as late as 2003 believed and hate intelligence that Hussein had WMDs, you would read the things we said before Bush came into office. I assure you, Bush had nothing to do with the ingelligence of the 1990s.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:03 pm“I just don’t think very highly of them. They’re not smart [. . .]”
How many dead service people will it take to prove you wrong? 10,000?
May 24th, 2007 at 1:03 pmbarfly. I guess while we argue about who started the fire or whether it was a good idea, you’re content with letting the people burn to death in the hopes you will be vindicated.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:04 pmComment by President Clinton — May 24, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Weren’t you told we don’t bother to read your posts. It’s easy to tell what’s your’s and ignore it. Red State wants to hear from you, go, run, scurry, flee … quick, they’re dying to learn of your troll genius.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:05 pmAnd I’m not afraid of terrorists. I just don’t think very highly of them. They’re not smart and they are not advancing their agenda in the slightest. (Unless their agenda is to take a big dump in their own beds).
Comment by LandSurveyor
How dare you say such a thing about the GOP!!!!
May 24th, 2007 at 1:07 pmAnd I’m not afraid of terrorists. I just don’t think very highly of them. They’re not smart and they are not advancing their agenda in the slightest. (Unless their agenda is to take a big dump in their own beds).
Comment by LandSurveyor
No one thinks highly of terrorists, are you that far gone?
You’re wrong, terrorists are very smart, they are so smart that they attacked us in an horrifying and devastating way on 9/11, and then sit back and laugh while our own government destroys us from within. The bonus for the terrorists was our King attacking Iraq — the cherry on top, if you will.
This administration has taken a big dump on the Constitution, the god damned piece of paper that once made us some of the most free people in the world.
Terrorism is not ok, and neither is what GWB and his gangsters are doing to this country.
Do you actually fear the terrorist more?
May 24th, 2007 at 1:08 pmJust so you know, that’s what you’re doing.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
No it isn’t and nothing is as simple as you trolls following idiot Bush like to think it is.
Do you really think twenty something soldiers with very little computer time come here to listen to us anyway. They’re not paid like you good little Bushie trolls.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:09 pmI guess while we argue about who started the fire or whether it was a good idea, you’re content with letting the people burn to death in the hopes you will be vindicated.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
You guys were ok with Reagan arming both sides of the Iran/Iraq war, and then using the dead from that war as justification for another bloodbath. I’m content when you realize you have no credibility to speak of Iraq’s dead, after enabling it for decades. Is that clear enough, Manny?
May 24th, 2007 at 1:10 pmAnd I’m not afraid of TROLLS. I just don’t think very highly of them. They’re not smart and they are not advancing their agenda in the slightest. (Unless their agenda is to take a big dump in their own beds).
Comment by LandSurveyor
There, fixed it for you.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:11 pmFEAR!!!!!! We have to be AFRAID!!!!!! WHAT WAS THAT?????? ARE YOU TALKING TO ME???? ARE YOU TALKING TO ME?????
May 24th, 2007 at 1:11 pm“Must I also educate you here? son, my fellow left winger, the fire was lit long before Bush came into office.”
By other republican incompetents and outright traitors, like Reagan, and Bush Senior. Your memory must be going, as I suspected.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:12 pmLet me help you:
I assure you, Bush had nothing to do with the ingelligence
Comment by President Clinton
Period.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:13 pmStupid, stupid, stupid people. We were all so much better off when Iraq and Iran hated each other, not us.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:15 pm“Must I also educate you here? son, my fellow left winger, the fire was lit long before Bush came into office.â€
By other republican incompetents and outright traitors, like Reagan, and Bush Senior. Your memory must be going, as I suspected.
Comment by barfly — May 24, 2007 @ 1:12 pm
So, what you are saying that the Democratic party is innocent? That I had nothing to do with anything that is going in Iraq today?
Oh, I get it, you are a blind partisan fool. You are the best American to have voting for the Democratic party. A man/woman completly blinded by partisanship. A tool of the Democratic Party. You certainly spread out our propaganda well.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:19 pmLandSurveyor. Just so you know, homophobes sound about as enlightened as anti-war progressives.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:20 pm” Bush had nothing to do with the ingelligence.”
Comment by President Clinton
The followers of Bush now exhibiting the same signs of mental decay.
Is is contagious?
May 24th, 2007 at 1:20 pmI guess while we argue about who started the fire or whether it was a good idea, you’re content with letting the people burn to death in the hopes you will be vindicated.
Comment by CaptainMantastic
You guys were ok with Reagan arming both sides of the Iran/Iraq war, and then using the dead from that war as justification for another bloodbath. I’m content when you realize you have no credibility to speak of Iraq’s dead, after enabling it for decades. Is that clear enough, Manny?
Comment by barfly — May 24, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
Barfly,
Let us say that your wacky conspiracy theory is correct, that Reagan armed both sides, what did the Democratic Party do to stop this? They had full and utter control of Congress under Reagan.
Even better, what did I do to make the situation in Iraq better?
May 24th, 2007 at 1:22 pmand once again Barfly, we armed the Soviet Union so they could defeat Nazi Germany, was this bad? Did FDR do wrong by arming the Soviet Union?
My sycophant followers, why the selective outrage? why the hypocrisy?
I have never understood why my party is full of hypocrites.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:26 pmFunny how President Clinton (sic!) thinks some of us give a damn about Dems, parties or just politics.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:30 pmLet us say that your wacky conspiracy theory is correct, that Reagan armed both sides, what did the Democratic Party do to stop this?
The Boland amendment, remember?
May 24th, 2007 at 1:30 pmI feel great empathy towards this person. I’ve never met him, I probably never will meet him, but I feel empathy to him. He’s seen things none of us ever wish to see, and he’s seen them repeatedly. I’m not going to use this man as part of a talking point for ending the Iraq war. No, he deserves a lot more than that. For his service to his country and the betrayal our country gave back to him, there isn’t any possible way to really pay him back. That sentence was to end with some sort of reward, some way to make things better. But there simply isn’t one.
My heart goes out to our best and couragous who are still out there fighting; but most of all, to those who come home and relive it all every day…I almost want to hug this mystery person, anything to make his and other’s lives a little better. Give him some respect people, toss away your talking points on this one, right or left-wing. I might be a cold heartless bastard for most people, but these brave men and women who honorably serve our country shouldn’t be treated any less than the gods they are.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:31 pmLet us say that your wacky conspiracy theory is correct, that Reagan armed both sides, what did the Democratic Party do to stop this?
The Boland amendment, remember?
Comment by barfly — May 24, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
So all that power that the Democratic party had in Congress and they try oen thing? please.
Anyway, I am wondering where is the left wing outrage to this torture. You guys certainly jump fast on American soldiers, whom you claim to support, when you are told by left wing sites like this one that our soldiers are torturers.
where is the media outrage, where is the left wing outrage?
read and educate yourself and let me know if you are outraged.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/ archive/ years/ 2007/ 0524072torture1.html
May 24th, 2007 at 1:38 pmComment by Xbot — May 24, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
Well said, Xbot. You have great wisdom for one so young.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:38 pmXbot. you’re right, these soldiers deserve better. Let’s support them with what they really want. Solidarity at home and victory abroad.
May 24th, 2007 at 1:43 pmPresident Clinton. Your link cannot possibly be true, because it hasn’t been reported here at ThinkProgress (the most unbiased information source on the planet).
May 24th, 2007 at 1:47 pmXbot, good post…I meet and hug young, broken servicemen each and every day….Have posted on many meeting’s and their comment’s on TP…May I add all of them are duplicate’s of the Nam vet’s I also know…..This war and the support for it must end and they all tell me that, with tear’s in their eyes they talk of men, women and children dieing in Iraq and they hate it and want it over…Blessings to all…
May 24th, 2007 at 2:03 pm“I can’t. I won’t. I won’t load another body onto that chopper. I can’t. I won’t.â€
And if he refuses, they will no doubt court martial him. This is really disgusting. These men are going to be scarred for life. The mental health crisis we will be facing with these soldiers will make Viet Nam look like a cakewalk.
Yea…we know it….Bush supports our troops.
May 24th, 2007 at 2:30 pmdumb people, dumb presidents, dumb wars. It doesn’t get easier than that.
Bottom line this is just another war to keep the Empire US going on a little longer and to have the People drink the Kool-Aid a little longer before Depression II kicks in.
If you may choose between your luxury life and the current Iraq war or living within your means and much less luxury and higher energy prices, I could understand you would choose to remain ignorant of filty wars far away from the US (or the rest of the Western states), deliberately or not.
I guess we rather want to believe the big lie of spreading ‘freedom and democracy’ by means of sending Apaches then facing the facts that these wars in the end are meant to serve our material interests, nothing more.
Good luck in 2008 when choosing a new president.
May 24th, 2007 at 2:33 pmKatie, your right. This is too hard, we should probably give up. What color burka are you going to get? Oh, that’s right. You won’t have a choice.
May 24th, 2007 at 2:36 pmI guess we rather want to believe the big lie of spreading ‘freedom and democracy’ by means of sending Apaches then facing the facts that these wars in the end are meant to serve our material interests, nothing more.
Good luck in 2008 when choosing a new president.
Comment by democraatus
You should renounce materialism and relieve yourself of all your possesions—starting with your computer.
May 24th, 2007 at 2:45 pmThese projection trolls are a RI-OT!
May 24th, 2007 at 2:55 pmToo blind to see that, to bu$h, you, me, trolls, troops, the Grand Oil Party itself, we’re ALL Kleenex.
Blow snot, crumple, toss.
The great sacrifices of our armed forces have managed to secure the most profitible year in history for the oil industry. Kudos, troops.
May 24th, 2007 at 2:56 pmOhhh, FASCIST VIRUS is back.
Tell us:
WHY did Bush and Cheney REFUSE TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH to the 9/11 Commission?
i.e. SWEAR TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH about their involvement with 9/11, the Bin Ladens and the Saudi TERRORIST FINANCIERS of Al Queda?
TRAITOR Reagan testified (Iran/Contra), as did Clinton (Monica L.), so “executive privilege†is bullzhit as PRECEDENT has ben set…
The answer is, of course, that Bush and Cheney are Saudi OIL WHOREBAGS and TRAITORS to the USA and what it USED to be.
Halliburton just “completed work†in Iran about 2 months ago.
May 24th, 2007 at 3:36 pmThe Saudis are FINANCING Al Queda, and TRAITOR Bush is THEIR azzlicker.
OleHippieChick. I don’t see myself as Kleenex and my value is not set by someone else. I’m free to do what I want with my life. I don’t blame someone else for my problems and I don’t look to someone else for my identity. I know you don’t either. The difference is, I don’t believe that the rights we have and the freedoms we enjoy should be taken for granted. I believe that if you choose not to defend you freedom, it will be taken from you. Appeasing fundamentalist Islam creates a void that incrementally threatens your liberty.
P.S. I dig hippie chicks (old and new). Noone wants to see you trade in your tie dye shirts for black burkas. (except Islamic fundamentalists, of course).
May 24th, 2007 at 4:19 pmpatrick1; In my day, a 13 month tour in Vietnam was more than enough. I really feel bad for the poor guys who are having to endure multiple tours. IF they survive this debacle, they will suffer mentally for the rest of their lives. I know. They will NEVER be the same again. You should give that some thought.
May 24th, 2007 at 5:42 pm#21 Wayne; pussy1 would get fragged on day 1 in Nam.
May 24th, 2007 at 5:51 pmTrolls- you are awfully damn brave hiding behind your keyboards proclaiming that you support the troops & support the war. If you truly support the war you should join the army and fight IN Iraq. You call yourselves patriots but don’t have the balls to put your body where your mouth is. Time to put up or STFU!
May 24th, 2007 at 6:06 pmI’ve said it before, but I don’t care for this “if you love the war so much then go and fight it” kneejerk argument. There are a lot of reasons why someone in support of a war would better serve the effort by staying here at home. Besides, it doesn’t do anything to refute the validity of the war which I think is what we should focus on.
For instance, war supporters have trouble explaining what, if any, difference there will be between leaving Iraq now or leaving four years from now with respect to the loss of Iraqi life from the resulting civil war. It seems to me that all we are doing is needlessly murdering and crippling, both psychologically and physically, a great deal of our armed forces. Any refutation from the right?
May 24th, 2007 at 6:48 pmThe morning of the mission three weeks ago that killed my brother, his squadron, of which he was the leader, was exhausted beyond belief. They weren’t getting any sleep at all, twenty minutes here and there, and frequently just “rested” during their precious downtime until it was time to go out and Bring Democracy To Iraq again.
I am haunted by the idea that my brother’s Humvee hit the IED because Andy was too tired to really drive. He volunteered for the mission because one of his men was so tired and was feeling sick. Andy was a full-time Humvee driver during his first deployment and knew his way around the Iraqi roads. But with the nonstop exhaustion, I have to wonder if my brother was simply off his game that day due to tiredness and being just plain worn out.
By the way, one of the soldiers in the Humvee who survived was basically cut in half. He lost his left leg, left arm, left eye, and has a huge metal plate in the left side of his head.
May 24th, 2007 at 6:51 pm#150 erock; …..”There are a lot of reasons why someone in support of the war would better serve the effort by staying here at home.” ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING ” I AM A COWARDLY PUSSY”!!!! if you are not willing to fight, you have absolutely NO RIGHT to demand others to do something you are not willing to do yourself- so f*ck off you God damn coward!!!
May 24th, 2007 at 7:22 pmUncle Ho. erock makes a good point. for example michael moore opposes the war in iraq, but he understands that he can have more impact making a movie (like F 9/11) then if he could somehow get into the greenzone with explosives strapped to his body.
May 24th, 2007 at 7:31 pmerock. Here’s the idea. If Iraq could be stabilized, with democratic forces more in control of the country, Iraq could serve as an alternative form of government, with more of the freedoms for its people (that we consider inalienable) in the middle east, than the more prevalent fundamentalist Islamic theocracies that currently exist.
May 24th, 2007 at 7:36 pmComment by Uncle Ho — May 24, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
Did you read my post?
I gather not.
May 24th, 2007 at 7:46 pmerock. Here’s the idea. If Iraq could be stabilized, with democratic forces more in control of the country, Iraq could serve as an alternative form of government, with more of the freedoms for its people (that we consider inalienable) in the middle east, than the more prevalent fundamentalist Islamic theocracies that currently exist.
Comment by CaptainMantastic — May 24, 2007 @ 7:36 pm
But its becoming painfully clear that it cannot be stabilized. How many more surges will it take? Not only that, but based on other democracies in the region, the Iraqi people are likely to elect themselves a theocratic leader and build their government around Sharia law thus producing another Iran.
May 24th, 2007 at 7:51 pmCM- Micheal Moore does NOT support the Iraq war, nor do millions of other Americans(including me). Supporters of the war are not in any great hurry to fight in Iraq, but decry any effort to end it. You are trying to compare apples to oranges. BIG difference.
May 24th, 2007 at 7:59 pmIf Bush Wants Iraq So Much He Can Move Their And Deal With The Civil War Himself……
May 24th, 2007 at 10:30 pm