Post Reporter: ‘So What Is This Caging Thing?’
In her recent testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, former Justice Department official Monica Goodling tried to dismiss voter suppression allegations against Karl Rove-protege U.S. attorney Tim Griffin. As ThinkProgress noted, she called the voter suppression tactic — known as “caging” — just as “direct-mail term.”
In today’s washingtonpost.com daily chat, Washington Post congressional reporter Jonathan Weisman was asked about why Congress didn’t follow-up on her erroneous testimony:
Orlando, Fla.: I want to know why Congress didn’t jump on Monica Goodling’s testimony about caging? Aren’t they aware that it is illegal? Thank you.
Jonathan Weisman: They jumped on lots of stuff. I thought Rep. Artur Davis of Alabama won the prize for best performance as a grand inquisitor. So what is this caging thing?
The allegations against Griffin are serious. They are serious enough that Goodling briefed Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty on them before he testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Congressional sources have also told ThinkProgress the Bush administration was worried about the allegations and decided not to proceed with the Griffin nomination before the Senate because it would draw attention to this very topic.
In 2004, BBC reporter Greg Palast obtained two e-mails — prepared for the executive director of the Bush campaign in Florida and the campaign’s national research director — that listed “1,886 names and addresses of voters in predominantly black and traditionally Democrat areas” of the Jacksonville, FL Naval Air Station. Palast explains:
Here’s how the scheme worked: The RNC mailed these voters letters in envelopes marked, “Do not forward”, to be returned to the sender. These letters were mailed to servicemen and women, some stationed overseas, to their US home addresses. The letters then returned to the Bush-Cheney campaign as “undeliverable.”
The lists of soldiers of “undeliverable” letters were transmitted from state headquarters, in this case Florida, to the RNC in Washington. The party could then challenge the voters’ registration and thereby prevent their absentee ballots being counted.
In 2004, African-American leaders denounced the caging scheme as “another ’shameful’ Republican effort to keep blacks from voting.”
So to respond to Goodling and Weisman: caging is a voter suppression tactic. Suppressing votes on the basis of race is not only illegal under the federal Voting Rights Act, but also unconstitutional.
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blah, blah, blah…libtards…blah, blah, blah…surrender…blah, blah, blah…moonbats…blah, blah, blah…islamofacists…blah, blah, blah…
May 25th, 2007 at 1:53 pmBut wait. It’s the Republicans that really care for minorities. THey would never try to suppress their vote. (Sarcasm should be obvious)
May 25th, 2007 at 1:54 pmJonathan Weisman shills for Bushco…he knows what caging is.
May 25th, 2007 at 1:54 pmgo away, patrick…
anyway, the “caging” thing deserves a great deal more traction in the media than it’s getting… it’s at the heart of the whole voter supression issue… keep it visible…!
And, yes, I DO take it personally
May 25th, 2007 at 1:55 pmHere’s the number for the US attorney’s office in Arkansas. Since congress wont do shit, why don’t we call, and politely ask Mr. Griffin to step down.
1-501-340-2600
May 25th, 2007 at 1:57 pmWhat’s caging? This guy is a Post political reporter and he didn’t even bother to look it up? Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.
May 25th, 2007 at 1:57 pmThis type of Republican shit frustrates me into being a democrat
May 25th, 2007 at 2:00 pmRepublicans don’t want African-Americans to vote.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:01 pmI think the video of Greg Palast explaining it all is pretty great:
May 25th, 2007 at 2:01 pm
Weisman’s a frickin’ stupid hack.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:01 pmCaging is a form of election fraud. It is a federal crime. Repubs have been under a court order to cease and desist in engaging in caging since 1986. Goodling just admitted that Repubs have been engaging in election fraud for the last four elections.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:02 pmJonathan Weisman: So, what’s this lying thing?
May 25th, 2007 at 2:02 pmI finally got around to watching An Inconvenient Truth, and WOW! Just like the Apostle Paul, I have now realized just how wrong I was. I’ve had my head up my ass for far too long. I was fretting so much over little things like, well, global warming on every other planet in our solar system, that I missed the big picture of what we’re doing to this planet ENTIRELY!
I’m no longer going to eat red meat, because of all the farting those cows do. I’m no longer going to drink whiskey, because of all the emissions generated by the distilling process. And I’m going to buy a Prius. But that’s not enough. What I’m about to say will be controversial. It may offend your politics, but we need to think with our heads, not our hearts. It’s only our children’s future on the line..
The average citizen in the third world has lifestyle carbon emissions a full 80% less than our own. When we allow people from the third world to immigrate to America, we are increasing global warming by FIVE TIMES! We could drive Priuses the rest of our lives and never eat a steak again and we would still be just as thoughtless as McChimpy HaliCheney. We must end ALL immigration to America from third world countries - it’s the only way to SAVE THE PLANET!
May 25th, 2007 at 2:03 pmOk, so click on my name to see the video.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:03 pmYou have to at least admire Patrick1 for his tenacity, however misguided. It’s rather sad to picture him sitting there and reloading TP over and over, waiting for a new topic.
Anyhoo, the caging story should be a big one. But if the reporters don’t know what it is, or can’t even bother to look it up, it’s not going to get much coverage.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:05 pmBetty Boop,
What are you on?
May 25th, 2007 at 2:05 pmMore outrageously bad work by Washington Post staff. The paper is in a free fall.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:06 pmThe description didn’t clear it up for me.
So they get a ‘could not be delivered’ notice, and use that to claim it’s not the persons real address and that way, they get the vote thrown out?
Does that sounds about right?
May 25th, 2007 at 2:06 pmMore from Palast on this subject here:
May 25th, 2007 at 2:06 pmhttp://www.10zenmonkeys.com/ 2007/ 05/ 24/ justice-department-scandal-greg-palast/
Goodling just admitted that Repubs have been engaging in election fraud for the last four elections.
Comment by Bluedog49
And Pelosi still will not let any impeachment proceedings to go forward.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:06 pmWhose side is she on? Obviously not the Constitution’s side or the people.
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As ThinkProgress noted, she called the voter suppression tactic — known as “caging†— just as “direct-mail term.â€
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And “armed robbery” is just a “legal term.”
- Tom
May 25th, 2007 at 2:07 pmWhat a suprise, the party of the “values voter” thinks they are above the democratic party.
C’mon, Republican is synonomous with fraud.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:07 pmIt is stunning that so many in such responsible positions, who either should know what caging is but don’t , or, more likely, are being at best incredibly disingenuous or at worst just plain lying. The NRC has been under a nationwide federal restraining order for at least the last 20 years to not engage in “caging” and yet here we have several member of the House Judiciary Committee who claim/demonstrate ignorance. What’s up with that?
Also, when Ms. Goodling was testifying about Tim Griffins’ caging activities, she stated that she had a discussion with Mr. Griffin about his appointment to the Arkansas USA position. That discussion, Ms. Goodling stated, occurred “during a social visit” with Mr. Griffin. That seemed an odd description, and makes me wonder if she had a romantic relationship with Mr. Griffin that may or may not be relevant to this whole scandal. I’ve not seen any mention of this in the media nor in any blogs that I’ve visited. Anyone have any thoughts or additional information on this point?
May 25th, 2007 at 2:09 pmAnother way they did their caging was to mis-address the envelopes to guarantee that they came back not deliverable. And I understand in Florida, if this happened, they took that person off the voter registration roles.
It’s too bad that the Republics can’t win an election without cheating. If they are as wonderful as they think they are, why do they have to steal elections?
We are in deep shit and hopefully we can get this madman out of office before he does permanent harm to this once great nation.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:13 pmThe description didn’t clear it up for me.
So they get a ‘could not be delivered’ notice, and use that to claim it’s not the persons real address and that way, they get the vote thrown out?
Does that sounds about right?
Comment by squegeebooo
Right.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:13 pmThe party of “family values” denied soldiers the right to vote. They used the soldiers supressed vote to push their own agenda.
That is not America. I am not standing for this.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:13 pmAnyone else find it interesting that Rove staffer Jane Cherry used her mom to stab Bud Cummins in the back?
May 25th, 2007 at 2:14 pmIt’s not illegal if Republicans do it.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:14 pmHere we go again, crying about voter fraud.
Please my dear fellow left wing Americans, we the Democratic Party are experts at voter fraud.
In Chicago, we have our union bosses forcing people to vote for us. We also have Democratic party members that are so loyal that they vote from their graves.
In San FRan, same thing, in Washignton State same thing, in fact we do this all over the nation.
Funny enough, everyone knows this and they don’t complain. For us to complain about this caging business is typical hypocrisy from our side.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:15 pmOkay. This isn’t too new of news. So, what is Congress going to do? Write another letter expressing concern? Are they actually going to do something about this and take legal action?
Until I read that something is being done other than writing a letter of concern, I don’t give a sh@t.
Tired, oh so tired, of reading of illegal actions and allegations but nothing being done by this lame congress or anyone else!
May 25th, 2007 at 2:17 pmMost of those people wouldn’t have voted Republican anyway, so their votes don’t matter.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:18 pmDespite repeated attempts to prove voter fruad over the last governers election, the only thing that happened was the Washington State Republican party ending up with egg all over thier face.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:20 pmI’m not sure how trying to purge the voter registration rolls of people who no longer live in the area counts as ’suppression’.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:23 pmComment by President Clinton — May 25, 2007 @ 2:15 pm
Please ignore this moron.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:25 pmMy first thoughts of this transgression was “UNBELIEVABLE”. But after remembering that this is about the Bush team, its easy to believe.
The Republicans have shown they have no respect for anything.
And I have heard a description of the United States Constitution in words that 75% of Americans would not use.
Its time for them to go.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:26 pmI’m not sure how trying to purge the voter registration rolls of people who no longer live in the area counts as ’suppression’.
Comment by squegeebooo
Squeegy,
Military people vote by absentee ballot in their home district. Caging denies them their right to vote — even though they are voting legally.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:28 pmThinkprogress is really reaching these days in its negativity. No positive links to how well our economy is doing for everybody, etc.
This steady stream of vituperative tripe is getting old…
May 25th, 2007 at 2:29 pmCaging liberals.
Sounds good to me!
May 25th, 2007 at 2:29 pmDespite repeated attempts to prove voter fruad over the last governers election, the only thing that happened was the Washington State Republican party ending up with egg all over thier face.
Comment by Krazny — May 25, 2007 @ 2:20 pm
Well my fellow left wing lunatic,
that is the wacked out version. Let us not forget that Democrats LOST the election, and didn’t like it. Thus they went to a judge and asked for a recount. It wasn’t until the third recount, forced by a Liberal/Democratic Party judge that all of a sudden 2,000 new Democratic votes were found.
I think the only one with an egg on their face is you.
but it is typical of my left wing friends to cry about voter fraud, yet they don’t care about Democratic party voter fraud, which is well documented in cities like Chicago, New York, LA, SAn Fran, etc, etc, etc.
Why the hypocrisy my left wing lunatic friends?
May 25th, 2007 at 2:29 pmThe fact that heavy voter fraud has become commonplace (and I’m sure you can guess which side has mastered the art….hint, they’re the ones that own Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia) without it being plastered on the front page of every major news publication in the nation consistently, tells you just how far we’ve fallen away from “democracy” in America.
The vote is all that we have and it’s a precarious thread considering how often the supposed “opposition” parties follow through on presenting any actual….you know….opposition.
Some days it just feels like we’re fu*ked more than others.
I think they’re gonna drop the Gonzalez is stepping down to spend more time with his capo story this afternoon.
Good holiday weekend all!
May 25th, 2007 at 2:30 pm“President Clinton” sez:
Normally I tend to ignore jackass trolls whose only marketable skill is pretending to be a former president while posting, for the sole purpose of slandering the opposing party. But this time I feel the need to interject a little rationality into the debate.
No, “Clinton”, we’re not “crying about voter fraud”. These allegations are regarding election fraud. If you don’t know the difference, STFU.
If you do know the difference, and are purposely attempting to blur the distinction, again, STFU.
Basically, STFU either way. We’re sick of your ridiculous, abortive attempts at character assassination. And this comes from one who is not a Clinton fan.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:30 pmThe problem being Squegee, that the purges targeted legitimate voters. Not just those who had moved or died. If the misaddressed a letter, then used the undeliverable excuse to remove that person from the voter rolls, that is suppression.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:30 pmI’m not sure how trying to purge the voter registration rolls of people who no longer live in the area counts as ’suppression’.
Comment by squegeebooo
Squeegy,
Military people vote by absentee ballot in their home district. Caging denies them their right to vote — even though they are voting legally.
Comment by Zooey — May 25, 2007 @ 2:28 pm
You mean like my VP efforts to supress military absentee ballots in the 2000 election?
then you are right Zooey.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:31 pmLISTEN
DUDES
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May 25th, 2007 at 2:31 pmAM
SO
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CORRUPTED
POLITICAL
TERMITES
EVERYONE
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My first thoughts of this transgression was “UNBELIEVABLEâ€. But after remembering that this is about the Bush team, its easy to believe.
The Republicans have shown they have no respect for anything.
And I have heard a description of the United States Constitution in words that 75% of Americans would not use.
Its time for them to go.
Comment by bezelt — May 25, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Wouldn’t it be perfect, a one party system.
Ah you Democrats are people after my own heart. Let us not give a choice to the American people, let us just force them to pick candidates from the same party, our party.
Why have a Democracy, when the American people can have the Democratic Party all to themselves, right?
screw the concept of democracy, let us shove down the throats of Americans the Democratic Party. We know what is right for these imbiceles that call themselves American citizens. We know better than they do what is best for them.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:33 pm…prize for best performance as a grand inquisitor.
The heart of the matter.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:34 pmRepublicans don’t want African-Americans to vote.
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch
Also, republicans want to keep the average voting population down in the voting numbers, all except of course, their frenzied neurotic base. They know this is the only way they can win…. excluding other ways of cheating like the use of electronic machines
May 25th, 2007 at 2:34 pmZooey
Why should we ignore this, as you stated, “moron”? Does ignorance of the truth serve your selfish purposes? I prefer a well-rounded debate of factual issues rather than a one-sided discussion of things that “make you feel good about yourself.”
In fact, I suggest you pay closer to those you disagree with since it will expand your horizons and hopefully broaden your perspective.
Only those of limited intellectual capacity are comfortable with their own ilk. I urge you to join me in an open-minded and full assessment of current topics.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:35 pmPlease ignore this moron.
Comment by Zooey
I guess you mean Patrick1, cuz other morons are not even that relevant. Heh.
How are you, super Z?
May 25th, 2007 at 2:35 pmIm starving. Later.
Zooey
Military people vote by absentee ballot in their home district. Caging denies them their right to vote — even though they are voting legally.
Yah, thats true. But I do like the idea of purging the rolls every so often. Especially if you only purge the D half of it.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:37 pmIT’S SO DOG GONE CORRUPT IT’S ENOUGH
TO MAKE EVERYONE
PUKE
PUKE
PUKE
THIS DOG GONE CRIMINAL CLASS OF HIGH CLASS
H
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THAT’S RIGHT POLITICAL FAST SMOOTH TALKING POLITICAL
SWINDLERS RIGHT TO THE FRIGGIN SLAMMER DUDE AND
THROW AWAY THE KEY FOREVER DUDE
AND INSTEAD OF DROPPING 100 BILLION $’S IN IRAQ, DROP
ALL THESE TOTALLY CORRUPTED POLTICAL TERMITES IN
IRAQ DUDE
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE TOTALLY CORRUPTED POLITICAL
TERMITES WHO LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH AND SELL OUT THEIR
COUNTRY DUDE
IMMEDIATELY
TO THE SLAMMER DUDE
LITERALLY A BUNCH OF HOODLUMS RUNNING THIS COUTRY
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May 25th, 2007 at 2:37 pmPresident Clinton†sez:
Here we go again, crying about voter fraud.
Normally I tend to ignore jackass trolls whose only marketable skill is pretending to be a former president while posting, for the sole purpose of slandering the opposing party. But this time I feel the need to interject a little rationality into the debate.
No, “Clintonâ€, we’re not “crying about voter fraudâ€. These allegations are regarding election fraud. If you don’t know the difference, STFU.
If you do know the difference, and are purposely attempting to blur the distinction, again, STFU.
Basically, STFU either way. We’re sick of your ridiculous, abortive attempts at character assassination. And this comes from one who is not a Clinton fan.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — May 25, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Well, if it you want to believe your rant, by all means believe it.
But our party does it too, we have done it long before the Republican party came into existance.
let us not forget that it was the Democratic Party’s ideas to have written exams before elections and those who didn’t pass, well didn’t vote.
We Democrats are experts at stealing elections.
Just ask JFK and Nixon. Ask the Daley family in Chicago.
we wrote the book on stealing elections.
So stop getting your panties all twisted up on this subject since WE ARE THE EXPERTS!
May 25th, 2007 at 2:37 pmThis is election fraud. Something Rove has been perfecting for some time.
the poster clinton makes me laugh. His rant on shoving down the throats of Americans is just what is being done by election fraud. He’s to glib to notice.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:39 pmZooey
Why should we ignore this, as you stated, “moronâ€? Does ignorance of the truth serve your selfish purposes? I prefer a well-rounded debate of factual issues rather than a one-sided discussion of things that “make you feel good about yourself.â€
In fact, I suggest you pay closer to those you disagree with since it will expand your horizons and hopefully broaden your perspective.
Only those of limited intellectual capacity are comfortable with their own ilk. I urge you to join me in an open-minded and full assessment of current topics.
Comment by JT — May 25, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
JT, are you asking a membe of my party, of the left wing to be open minded?
Don’t try, we are the most closed minded individuals on planet Earth.
Just know that we don’t need to listen to someone elses opinion since we left wingers, we Democratic party members are always right!
Our idea of diversity and open mindness is this…
having Michael Moore directing a panel composed of a Liberal Black, Liberal Hispanic, Liberal Woman and if we have time we invite a LIberal white male.
this is our idea of open mindness and diversity.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:40 pmComment by President Clinton — May 25, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Sorry, “Clinton”, but I’ve gone back to ignoring you. ^_^
May 25th, 2007 at 2:40 pmblah, blah, blah…libtards…blah, blah, blah…surrender…blah, blah, blah…moonbats…blah, blah, blah…islamofacists…blah, blah, blah…
Comment by Patrick1 Troll Clone — May 25, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Something is spilling its intellect all over this forum. One guess as to its party of choice.
It was one heck of a BIG mistake to put the Bush team in charge of this country. Practically everything they touched has been contaminated. Too many of their selections came from people who owe their support to the Bush team rather than to America.
They are now so “thick” in America that America’s morals and ethics seem upside down. We need Eliot Ness back. Also we could use Mr. Jack Anderson back.
Mr. Ness could prowl the darks halls of the White House while Mr. Jack Anderson could dive into the MUCK created by Congress. The MUCKRAKING task is not done.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:40 pmOnly those of limited intellectual capacity are comfortable with their own ilk. I urge you to join me in an open-minded and full assessment of current topics.
Comment by JT
And I suggest you to read all President (sic) Clinton´s posts and tell me where do you find a glimpse of will to debate. We cant be tolerant with intolerance.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:41 pmOnly those of limited intellectual capacity are comfortable with their own ilk. I urge you to join me in an open-minded and full assessment of current topics.
Comment by JT
If you think “President Clinton” speaks the truth, you are too far gone.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:42 pm20 years in Direct mail and I have yet to refer to “caging”.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:42 pmRepublicans don’t want African-Americans to vote.
Comment by Oversight is a Bitch
Also, republicans want to keep the average voting population down in the voting numbers, all except of course, their frenzied neurotic base. They know this is the only way they can win…. excluding other ways of cheating like the use of electronic machines
Comment by had enough — May 25, 2007 @ 2:34 pm
Wow, I am the smartest President on planet EArth and I know that you are wrong.
Can you please explain how Republicans stole elections this past Congressional election? or for that matter, can you explain how Republicans stole electiosn during the two times that I won the Presidency?
May 25th, 2007 at 2:43 pmHey Mr. President, who counts the votes? Who owns the voting machines and keeps their proprietary code secret? Why, it’s the conservatives…what a shocking revelation. Hmmm, how could the code that election machines run on be kept a secret? Doesn’t that fly in the face of open government and democratic principles?
May 25th, 2007 at 2:43 pmYah, thats true. But I do like the idea of purging the rolls every so often. Especially if you only purge the D half of it.
Comment by squegeebooo
Twerp. You love us, and you know it. :-)
May 25th, 2007 at 2:43 pmTHERE’S JUST TOO MANY OF THEM TO THE SLAMMER DUDE
CLINTON
SLAMMER
CHENEY
SLAMMER
100,000 BILLY
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DELAY
SLAMMER
FRIST
SLAMMER
BUSH
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THERE’S JUST TOO FRIGGIN MANY OF THESE POLITICAL PARASITES
FAST
SMOOTH
POLITICAL
SWINDLERS
TO LIST DUDE
ALL OF THEM TO THE FRIGGIN SLAMMER
THAT’S HOW WE CLEAN THIS CESSPOOL OF CORRUPTION UP
SAY ONE THING TO GET THE VOTE AND LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH AND
INFACT SELL OUT THE COUNTRY DUDE RIGHT TO THE FRIGGIN SLAMMER
DUDE
THAT IS
DUDE
IT’S FRIGGIN TOTALLY CORRUPT DUDE
AND ON TOP OF THAT DUDE
IT’S TOTALLY RIGGED DUDE
FAST SMOOTH TALKING POLITICAL PROSPECT LYING THROUGH THEIR
FRIGGIN TEETH DUDE
BUT IN REALITY IT IS A FIB, A LIE, A DOG GONE ULTERIOR MOTIVE DUDE
EVERY FRIGGIN ONE
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May 25th, 2007 at 2:44 pmComment by President Clinton — May 25, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Sorry, “Clintonâ€, but I’ve gone back to ignoring you. ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — May 25, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
At least my fellow Democratic party member, you are reading my posts. That is all that matters to me, that the American people realize that I am still the smartest human being alive and that you read my very well informed posts.
If I was a genius while I was President, today I am a super genius.
Keep on suporting us TripMaster Monkey, we need mindless drones like you to vote for the Democratic Party, ok? Thank you for your support my toolish friend.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:44 pmletter I sent to Jonathan Weisman at the Washington Post…
I read on Think Progress this afternoon you’re unaware what caging lists are. First, Caging Lists are illegal under the federal Voting Rights Act, and unconstitutional. They’re also the method Karl Rove used to help George Bush win in 2000 and 2004. I suggest you run to the library and read the first chapter of Greg Palast’s “The Best Democracy Money Can Buy”. Then read his next book “Armed Madhouse”. You can also visit his website for free and get all the info…GregPalast.com.
There’s overhwleming evidence they’re planning on using Caging Lists in 2008. Infact, Palast presents evidence 4-8 million black, Hispanic and other minorty Americans will be caged out of their vote and never know it.
As a big shot reporter for THE newspaper I can’t believe you don’t know any of this??!! How is it that I have time to investigate this information and you don’t?
If after reading and ruminating about this topic your conscience should sputter to life and you feel like making a small effort to help save what’s left of our democracy that’d sure be appreciated. It actually feels good to do what’s right!
May 25th, 2007 at 2:45 pmJanice,
I recently started working at a direct mail place, and neither I, nor any of my co-workers know what “caging” means.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:46 pmIf you’d like to send a letter to Jonathan Weisman at the Washington Post here’s the e-mail form:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/staff/email/jonathan+weisman/
May 25th, 2007 at 2:46 pmThe Democrats won in 06′ because the numbers were stacked so dramatically against the R’s that they couldn’t get away with stealing it this time and I suspect that they won’t next time either. Truth is, I don’t care who’s stealing the vote, it needs to stop and we should all support candidates who are trying to keep the vote honest (Rush Holt for one).
BTW, Florida just banned electronic voting machines. This is progress in a very important state.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:47 pmOnly those of limited intellectual capacity are comfortable with their own ilk. I urge you to join me in an open-minded and full assessment of current topics.
Comment by JT
And I suggest you to read all President (sic) Clinton´s posts and tell me where do you find a glimpse of will to debate. We cant be tolerant with intolerance.
Comment by Juan C — May 25, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
But, but, I agree with you my communist friend Juan C. We must achieve the Socialist Utopia. The difference is that I tell it how it is, I am honest about what you, my sycophant followers, are too afraid to admit.
We are a closed minded party, we don’t care about opinions that don’t agree with us and we want to silence, get off the radio or televions anyone that we don’t agree with, or speaks ill of us.
We must not allow the American people to hear bad things about the Democratic Party.
If we are right, why are we afraid of hiding the truth of our intentions and of what we want?
May 25th, 2007 at 2:48 pmPresident Clinton has run off course. The thread is the current election fraud. If the Prez would get back into this conversation we could all learn something.
He’s too happy in his fake persona. so proud of himself to come up with a past president. Not that it won’t be countered and driven down to a digibitching session. Maybe Tricky Dick or Wake me when it’s over Reagan can join in and fake BS conversations can fill the blogs.
oh joy…..
Election fraud is a serious crime and the current members in congress better push to the ends of the earth to find the truth.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:49 pmZooey
Twerp. You love us, and you know it. :-)
What can I say…
except for this:
May 25th, 2007 at 2:49 pmIf you can’t love the one you want, love the one your with.
And I suggest you to read all President (sic) Clinton´s posts and tell me where do you find a glimpse of will to debate. We cant be tolerant with intolerance.
Comment by Juan C
Hey Juan, how’s it going?
May 25th, 2007 at 2:49 pmJT sez:
Your point would be well taken, if, in fact, the troll Zooey was referring to was capable of “well-rounded factual debate”. However, as it is in fact capable of nothing more advanced than sophomoric character assassination, Zooey’s recommendation is reasonable.
Most of us here prefer a well-rounded debate of factual issues, JT…which is precisely why ignoring the trolls, whose only purpose is to stifle and derail that very debate, is a sound course of action.
If you’re serious about engaging in honest debate, I suspect you’ll find no shortage of posters here willing to take you up on your offer.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:49 pmWhat can I say…
except for this:
If you can’t love the one you want, love the one your with.
Comment by squegeebooo
Heh. The Liberal Agenda is finally kicking in. Welcome…..
May 25th, 2007 at 2:52 pmIf you’re serious about engaging in honest debate, I suspect you’ll find no shortage of posters here willing to take you up on your offer.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
:-)
May 25th, 2007 at 2:53 pmsqueegebooo sez:
I believe the line you are groping for is:
May 25th, 2007 at 2:53 pmJT: “Only those of limited intellectual capacity are comfortable with their own ilk. I urge you to join me in an open-minded and full assessment of current topics.”
What a steaming load of horse hockey. All you Bush cultists are trying to do is obfuscate the central point of this thread — Goodling has testified that repubs used vote caging in the last few elections. This is a federal election crime. Period. Now, JT, if you have the “intellectual capacity,” maybe you’d like to discuss the FACT that republicans have been stealing elections.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:56 pmJT sez:
Why should we ignore this, as you stated, “moronâ€? Does ignorance of the truth serve your selfish purposes? I prefer a well-rounded debate of factual issues rather than a one-sided discussion of things that “make you feel good about yourself.â€
Your point would be well taken, if, in fact, the troll Zooey was referring to was capable of “well-rounded factual debateâ€. However, as it is in fact capable of nothing more advanced than sophomoric character assassination, Zooey’s recommendation is reasonable.
Most of us here prefer a well-rounded debate of factual issues, JT…which is precisely why ignoring the trolls, whose only purpose is to stifle and derail that very debate, is a sound course of action.
If you’re serious about engaging in honest debate, I suspect you’ll find no shortage of posters here willing to take you up on your offer.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — May 25, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
We have an honest debate with Republicans and Conservatives? please, we all know that we are a joke, that all of us, Democrats and Liberals that post on here are ignorant fools that swallow anything that the left says as gospel.
we are not interested in honest debate, we are incapable of having honest debate.
the second we disagree with someone, we curse them out and try to ban them from this site.
this is a repeated theme in all left wing sites. Believe me, I am the first one to contact the site and I tell them to do so. I as the greatest President to set foot on the Oval Office rug demand each and every time that oppossite views be banned from websites.
I demand that we margnalize and make fun of anyone that disagrees with the Liberal agenda.
and my toolish friends on here and all other left wing websites do as I demand that they do.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:56 pmTripMaster Monkey
Was it just Stills?
I thought it was the full trio.
TripMaster Monkey
May 25th, 2007 at 2:58 pmIf you’re serious about engaging in honest debate, I suspect you’ll find no shortage of posters here willing to take you up on your offer.
Count me out.
President Clinton has run off course. The thread is the current election fraud. If the Prez would get back into this conversation we could all learn something.
He’s too happy in his fake persona. so proud of himself to come up with a past president. Not that it won’t be countered and driven down to a digibitching session. Maybe Tricky Dick or Wake me when it’s over Reagan can join in and fake BS conversations can fill the blogs.
oh joy…..
Election fraud is a serious crime and the current members in congress better push to the ends of the earth to find the truth.
Comment by hellinabucket — May 25, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
Fake persona? how dare you call me fake? You ignorant fool! I am the greatest President to ever set foot on the Oval Office rug. I am William Jefferson Clinton.
You better watch your words or I’ll Chinese Embassy in Serbia on you!
now get down on your knees and be a good little left wing tool of mine and apologize, beg for my mercy.
May 25th, 2007 at 2:58 pm#14 John B Thanks for the video.
#19 Douglas Thanks for the information.
What are we as Democrat going to do to win in 2008? WE HAVE TO START NOW.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:00 pmHmmm, someone’s sounding very Jake-ish. And if that someone thinks that he has ‘friends on here and all other left wing websites’, they’re sadly mistaken.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:01 pmJT: “Only those of limited intellectual capacity are comfortable with their own ilk. I urge you to join me in an open-minded and full assessment of current topics.â€
What a steaming load of horse hockey. All you Bush cultists are trying to do is obfuscate the central point of this thread — Goodling has testified that repubs used vote caging in the last few elections. This is a federal election crime. Period. Now, JT, if you have the “intellectual capacity,†maybe you’d like to discuss the FACT that republicans have been stealing elections.
Comment by Bluedog49 — May 25, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
“…the FACT that republicans have been stealing elections.”
says who, you, me, left wing websites?
and you believe them and me because?
are you truly this much of a tool? do you not know how to think for yourselve? I mean don’t get me wrong, i love it, since you voted me twice into office and you’ll keep on voting for us Democrats, but have you ever even given a thought to the possibility, that maybe, just maybe you are 100% wrong?
well probably not, if you did this, you wouldn’t be voting for my party.
I love brainwashed, toolish, mental midget individuals, our party is full of them and they keep on voting for us and they believe our propaganda.
I love you guys! I truly do. Don’t get an education and keep on believing left wing websites, ok? don’t you dare go do research on your own. Let the left tell you what is right and wrong, what is fact and not facts, ok?
don’t go making up your mind by yourselves.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:02 pmGood shot Bluedog49. Goodling was under oath when she stated caging was used by her party.
Doesn’t bode well for those involved if this is pursued.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:03 pmMary Poplins
What are we as Democrat going to do to win in 2008? WE HAVE TO START NOW.
Have you considered Caging? Apparently it works rather well.
Jane E. Schneider
Hi Jane!
May 25th, 2007 at 3:04 pm“I love brainwashed, toolish, mental midget individuals”
Then go back to Redstate where you’ll feel much more comfortable.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:05 pm#14 John B Thanks for the video.
#19 Douglas Thanks for the information.
What are we as Democrat going to do to win in 2008? WE HAVE TO START NOW.
Comment by Mary Poplins — May 25, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
What we have always done!!!
Lie, lie, lie, make campaign promises that we have no intention of keeping.
Show the American people that while yes the Democratic party is evil, the Republican party is MORE evil.
We can’t win on our ideology, thus we must play the politics of personal destruction and lies.
c’mon honey, you know this.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:07 pmHey, Squeege, how the hell are ya? We’ve missed you!
May 25th, 2007 at 3:07 pm“I love brainwashed, toolish, mental midget individualsâ€
Then go back to Redstate where you’ll feel much more comfortable.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — May 25, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
My left wing kook, I feel at home here. Now leave me alone or I’ll go Chinese Embassy in Serbia on you.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:08 pmhey, surpressing voting may be illegal and it may be unconstitutional, but it is VERY republican.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:11 pm.
The Prez here is really tweaked and wrong and a poor impersonator. Goodling herself admitted the caging. She also insisted thru her lawyer that she be asked about it.
hmmmmm, sounds like she’s saving herself.
Now go ahead Prez, prattle on to support you delusions.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:12 pmThis threads are much more informative when you bypass Pres Clinton (aka the mighty valiant one) posts.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:12 pm…and, as an added bonus, it’s fun, too!
Jane E. Schneider
Hey, Squeege, how the hell are ya? We’ve missed you!
I’ve been good. I was busy working and the such, but about 2 weeks ago now I got sucked back in from a link a friend sent me, and now I’m back to my normal annoying comments. Hope things are good for you and the Mr.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:14 pm#87, Do you think that I’m a “kook” simply because I believe in the rule of law, because I believe that people who cheat should be punished? I’d hate to hear what you call real extremists!
May 25th, 2007 at 3:14 pmThe Prez here is really tweaked and wrong and a poor impersonator. Goodling herself admitted the caging. She also insisted thru her lawyer that she be asked about it.
hmmmmm, sounds like she’s saving herself.
Now go ahead Prez, prattle on to support you delusions.
Comment by hellinabucket — May 25, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
I will not address you, sir/lady (are you good looking, I got a boner for you to check out) until you apologize. Get down on your knees and beg for my mercy.
I swear to g…. I will go Chinese Embassy in Serbia on you, you irreverant fool.
Don’t you know that you are in the presence of a goooood!!! and not only a god, but a Democratic Party god?!
May 25th, 2007 at 3:17 pm#87, Do you think that I’m a “kook†simply because I believe in the rule of law, because I believe that people who cheat should be punished? I’d hate to hear what you call real extremists!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — May 25, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
If you believed in the rule of law, you would have demanded, during my years in office, that I be hanged.
So please, don’t be my typical sycophant follower who today is “outraged” about Bush’s policies, but could careless about me breaking the law on a daily basis.
Democrats only care about the rule of law when it benefits them, and they hate the rule of law when it afflicts their ability to obtain power. I know, I am a Democrat and the smart President to ever set foot on the Oval Office rug.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:18 pmI want honest election in 2008. There is so much corruption going on in the Republican party. How sad.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:19 pm“President Clinton” = howsad
May 25th, 2007 at 3:22 pm13% of Americans strongly support the thug in the White House. 15% of Americans sort of support the thug in the White House = 28% of Americans support the thug in the crime family.
72% of Americans do not support the thug in the White House crime family.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:25 pmI want honest election in 2008. There is so much corruption going on in the Republican party. How sad.
Comment by Mary Poplins — May 25, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
Hmmm.m….honey, (are you good looking, would love to show you my boner, Monica saw it and she loved it)
anyway, there is more corruption in my party. So if you want an honest election you have to get rid of the Democratic Party leaders, left wing websites that love lying to you, etc, etc.
Start there and we may get an honest election.
My poor fool, how you have been brainwashed to believe that the Republican party is evil.
nice to know that our tactics work, like at my toolish, foolish followers.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:26 pm“President Clinton†= howsad
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — May 25, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
how dare you call me a sad individual? why you disrespectufl idiot. When I was President I would have let loose my lap dogs on you and destroy your reputation.
How dare you, how dare you insult the greatest President to ever have set foot on the Oval Office rug?!
May 25th, 2007 at 3:28 pmCall it what it is: Election Fraud. The Republican Party has been under judicial order not to engage in caging since 1986 (!!) so not only has the party and its leaders broken the law, they are in contempt of court as well. So why are they not being prosecuted?
Because the Justice Department does the prosecuting - and the same people who do the caging run the Justice Department. Can someone explain to this idiot reporter why this matters?
I’m rapidly losing hope that anything will be done to stop the coup that is occuring daily. What does ‘law-abiding mean if the lawmakers are all crooks?
May 25th, 2007 at 3:31 pmIt wouldn’t be so bad if the trolls actually added to the conversation. The childish responses they make are ridiculous. Go Away!
May 25th, 2007 at 3:31 pmMr. President is to be ignored…another sad troll who is trying to change the focus of thinking people. They are sad, lost, people supporting thugs in the crime family.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:32 pmThe Prez here is a sad sack of republodung offering nothing to a discussion. Done with the hack.
Powkat, I’m hoping that this won’t be ignored by the justice dept. Congress can keep the pressure on and I believe they will.
Our country is at stake.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:39 pmHope things are good for you and the Mr.
Comment by squegeebooo — May 25, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Thanks, we’ve been busy, busy, busy. Give “the Mr.” a few more weeks and he’ll be back updating his blog as well as posting here again.
Well, I have to head home, hope everyone has a fun and safe holiday!
May 25th, 2007 at 3:45 pmYes, election fraud. Felony. Crime. Criminal. Alberto. chymp. darth.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:45 pmratfu(ckingbastards.
#100 Powkat…I posted a letter I wrote to him (#64) and his e-mail (#66). Nobody has commented on either. I guess its more fun arguing with trolls.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:46 pmHellin - yes, our country is at stake, but it seems that no matter how often the Bushist criminals toss their loyal followers overboard to save themselves no one will come forward.
And that can only be because they know they will put themselves and their families at economic, social and even physical risk. This isn’t a government - it’s the Sopranos.
I will be very surprised if they don’t stage a ‘terrorist attack’ and suspend elections. Rudi tried it in 2001 - they’ve had 7 years to perfect the scam.
May 25th, 2007 at 3:49 pmPowkat, it’s apathy. If enough americans stood up and demanded this be brought to justice the politicians would follow. We’ve become too lazy and let this crap to happen.
When more people vote for american idol than the president we’ve lost our way. Corporations are happy to keep us fat, drunk, stupid and in debt while they carve out ways to make the government work for them.
History shows though that there can be defining moments that wake the public up.
May 25th, 2007 at 4:00 pmHere’s the number for the US attorney’s office in Arkansas. Since congress wont do shit, why don’t we call, and politely ask Mr. Griffin to step down.
1-501-340-2600
Comment by Crump’s Brother — May 25, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Fantastic! Also, please write your Congressman and ask, “Why is Tim Griffon still a US Attorney?” His 120 days have long past.
May 25th, 2007 at 4:12 pmJust ask JFK and Nixon. Ask the Daley family in Chicago.
we wrote the book on stealing elections.
So stop getting your panties all twisted up on this subject since WE ARE THE EXPERTS!
Comment by President Clinton
Chicagoans are Democrats. Democrats don’t need to steal elections. DuPage County is Republican and Democrats don’t even run for most offices. That is not the same thing. That is party loyalty something the snakiest troll should understand all too well.
May 25th, 2007 at 4:23 pmMr. President is to be ignored…another sad troll who is trying to change the focus of thinking people. They are sad, lost, people supporting thugs in the crime family.
Comment by kasinca — May 25, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
“Thinking people” Please my friend, if we had thinking people on the left side of the eisle our party, the Democratic Party, would cease to exist.
May 25th, 2007 at 4:46 pmJust ask JFK and Nixon. Ask the Daley family in Chicago.
we wrote the book on stealing elections.
So stop getting your panties all twisted up on this subject since WE ARE THE EXPERTS!
Comment by President Clinton
Chicagoans are Democrats. Democrats don’t need to steal elections. DuPage County is Republican and Democrats don’t even run for most offices. That is not the same thing. That is party loyalty something the snakiest troll should understand all too well.
Comment by shane — May 25, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
and this is why you will never be the smartest President to set foot on the Oval Office rug.
Chicago is well known for the Daleys and the left stealing elections. It is well known for Democratic party bosses bullying people into voting Democrat. It is well known for the Democratic party machine that has existed here for decades.
We Democrats win elections in Chicago for several reasons.
1) Chicago is full of ignorant people. Easy to get them to vote Democrat
2) Chicago is also full of selfish yuppies that only care about themselves. Selfish people always vote Democratic.
3) Unions force their members to vote Democratic.
4) We Democrats are so patriotic that we even vote from our graves.
5) Black member churches in the South side of Chicago force their congregations to vote Democrat. These have bused people into polling places. (completly illegal) But not that we the Democratic party care.
6) Republican ballots are hidden and destroyed.
I, the smartest President to ever have set foot on the Oval Office, know this tricks very well.
May 25th, 2007 at 4:51 pmtoo bad you were followed by the dumbest of dumb f#%ks that have ever lived.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:33 pm“BTW, Florida just banned electronic voting machines. This is progress in a very important state.”
OMG, that is wonderful news. This new Republic Governor Crist is proving to be someone with a conscience and soul. He has done a lot of things that are very progressive in his short time as Governor of Florida.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:34 pmwow, a certain troll is awfully touchy about the prospect of african americans being allowed to vote.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:38 pmThat’s major. is there more on this somewhere? I hope Ohio is looking at the rationale for the banning.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:42 pmThinking people†Please my friend, if we had thinking people on the left side of the eisle our party, the Democratic Party, would cease to exist.
Comment by President Clinton — May 25, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
People on the left can spell aisle.
F&ck off, shit for brains.
May 25th, 2007 at 5:59 pmsomeone needs to let our enlisted men & women know that under the Bush plan, their votes are tossed in the garbage unless they’re registered Republicans. That will do LOADS for morale…..
May 25th, 2007 at 6:15 pmFollowing the Money Trail Online
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/ 2007/ 05/ 24/ following-the-money-trail-online/
May 24, 2007
The first step to solving a problem is recognizing that you have one.
That’s what I keep telling myself, anyway, to avoid becoming depressed by Maplight.org.
It’s a new Web site with a very simple mission: to correlate lawmakers’ voting records with the money they’ve accepted from special-interest groups.
All of this is public information. All of it has been available for decades. Other sites, including OpenSecrets.org, expose who’s giving how much to whom. But nobody has ever revealed the relationship between money given and votes cast to quite such a startling effect.
If you click the “Video Tour†button on the home page, you’ll see a six-minute video that illustrates the point. You find out that on H.R.5684, the U. S.-Oman Free Trade Agreement, special interests in
favor of this bill (including pharmaceutical companies and aircraft makers) gave each senator an average of $244,000. Lobbyists opposed to the bill (such as anti-poverty groups and consumer groups) coughed up only $38,000 per senator.
Surprise! The bill passed.
http://rigorousintuition.ca/ board/ viewtopic.php?t=11868&sid=7a2147deb9e89da9bbf843fed18d35f2
May 25th, 2007 at 6:40 pmYou guys really need to start IGNORING - Pres Clinton - Valiant DoucheBag - Patti 1″ - Pres Bush - and the rest of the trolls.
They are immature losers who are hated in real life and come here to make themselves feel better by taking it out on others, they are here just to disrupt your threads, so please - Don’t Read Their Posts & Don’t Respond to Their Posts.
You will feel better about it too
May 25th, 2007 at 7:08 pmGood, the Rovebots have now attacked Think Progress. They are being paid, you know. Karl, go to jail, do not collect $200.
Please contact your members of congress and educate them on what caging is and ask that the judiciary committees investigate Griffin and Rove.
May 25th, 2007 at 10:19 pmActually, it is a very good sign when ‘pres clinton’ makes remarks…..that means….on target, bulls eye…..
only george bush could fight a war for OIL and not get any!
i wrote to several on the committee, not mine though, issa. thought
they had their heads up…..terrible questions! I do have to wonder if
they know what caging is.
loretta, it has taken some doing to talk to my enlisted. Cpl #1 took some time, Cpl #2 was much easier, she is a fast learner, old Sgt just got converted this past week with the mental health hearings, Batiste coming out, and shovin IAVA.org stats into his head, before I would feed him:)
And one more thing Mr.pres…..that thinking thing, is that what Boehner was doing???? or was he just another Repub without his meds????
May 26th, 2007 at 11:21 pmThis link goes to a torrent uploaded that contains a copy of all of the emails posted to 2004.georgebush.org and has all of the attachments including the caging docs.
May 27th, 2007 at 12:27 amI just called the number for Arkansas US Attorneys office asking them where could I send in my resume to apply for US Attorneys postition. Was told to send in my resume to RNC in Washington. WOW!
May 30th, 2007 at 4:37 pmnaah just kidding. I am sure that is where I need to send it anywayz!
I do not see what the Democrats fear. They say we blocked minorities from voting but EVERYBODY knows that the blacks don’t hardly ever vote. And when they do those people do, they don’t vote with regularity or reason. They surely don’t vote for what is in their best interest. Look at the current administration and all of the blacks serving the president. That should tell them which party is pulling for them and so we (Republicans) WANT those people to vote. And President Bush even speaks Spanish so he can talk to those types too! I did not see Clinton talking Mexican…
May 31st, 2007 at 11:56 amDo you think it is a coincidence when their names are mixed it spells HillBillary….HMMM. We want the coloreds to vote so we can win and finish the War on Terror.
Living with Faith and TRUST
If you think voter fraud is a trivial matter, then you’re un-American FILTH. Move to Oman or better yet Syria if you’re feeling lucky.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:03 pmwhoa and that is what a free thinking American says, leave, get out!!!
May 31st, 2007 at 12:10 pmI suppose your one of those unpatriotic people that want to surrender in Iraq and lose the War on Terror. One of those who does not support our American troops, but I am un-American huh. So sad that your a Liberal and can’t see what is going on here.
Good God, Ernest Paulson, what the F*CK are you talking about? Don’t forget your tin hat on your way out.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:11 pmI’m one of those guys who are against the troops and for the war…asshat.
May 31st, 2007 at 12:14 pmWow! Just when I thought I’d seen it all…
May 31st, 2007 at 2:29 pmI’m one of those guys who are against the troops and for the war
Comment by GunTotinLiberal
That says it all
May 31st, 2007 at 9:53 pm