And what treaty was negotiated and ratified with a quasi-religious group of stateless individuals seeking our conversion at the “point of a sword”? What “international law” was Saddam Hussein operating under? How about Osama Bin Laden? Why don’t they have to “play by the rules”? Do the Somalis retain the right to commit honor killings in Minnesota because it may be recognized in their home country? They have a lawyer arguing that case right now. “International law.”
You seem to want to “play the game” according to the rules while allowing your opponent to make up the rules as they go along. Sadly, it isn’t a game though is it? There are actually people that mean you harm, and aren’t the slightest bit interested in your rules. On your headstone I’ll engrave “But I was better than them!”.

If you were an American, you would be familiar with the Declaration of Independence which declared that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with unalienable rights. (The “Bill of Rights” doesn’t grant us rights; it simply enumerates some of them.) That is, the government doesn’t grant rights—it protects them. And rights aren’t reserved for U.S. citizens. Our Creator (Nature or God) didn’t single out Americans for unalienable rights.

Everyone has rights.

2. The purpose of the government is to protect our unalienable rights.

3. A government which not only fails to protect our unalienable rights, but systematically violates them is a tyranny.

4. You do not “reform” a tyranny from within; you rip it out completely, roots and all.

5. WE THE PEOPLE change the government spotlighting it’s illegitimacy…and non-cooperation. General strikes, et. al…like Gandhi. Violence is not only wrong, but it is for pathetic immoral losers like the tyrants who rule this country and occupy Iraq. Violence also doesn’t work.

Let’s “restore” our Constitution by exposing and removing the tyrants. All of them.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/ archive/ years/ 2007/ 0524072torture1.html

MAY 24–In a recent raid on an al-Qaeda safe house in Iraq, U.S. military officials recovered an assortment of crude drawings depicting torture methods like “blowtorch to the skin” and “eye removal.” Along with the images, which you’ll find on the following pages, soldiers seized various torture implements, like meat cleavers, whips, and wire cutters … (in) a ramshackle Baghdad safe house described as an “al-Qaeda torture chamber.”

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
terrorists must have success

otherwise they were framed
in evil government plot
.

whatever the stuff you use for lethal injections its torture

A dog is put down more humanly

What constitutional rights does a non US citizen, on foreign soil, enjoy? What foreign nation’s laws are we subject to in the US?

Comment by beefeater — May 26, 2007 @ 2:43 am

They’re called “Treaties” and we are a party to some of them. You should look them up. Under the U.S. Constitution, Treaties are part of the “supreme law of the land.”

In addition, there is an aspect of international law that goes beyond treaties. It’s called “jus cogens” and means an internationally accepted standard of behavior from which no country will be allowed to deviate. The prohibition against torture is so universal as to be a jus cogens of international law. In other words, even if a country legalizes the use of torture, the international community retains the right to hold the leaders of that country liable in an International Tribunal for Crimes Against Humanity.

What you are arguing for is the right of the United States to kidnap foreign nationals, hold them in secret prisons off shore and torture them. If your position prevails, then every foreign country can legally do the same to U.S. citizens traveling abroad, or even kidnap citizens from their homes and take them away to some secret prison beyond the reach of any law and any standard of behavior.

The sad fact of the matter is, whenever any foreign person or group kidnaps or captures an American, then tortures and kills that American, they can truthfully say that America does the same thing to foreigners.

Comment by JPV — May 26, 2007 @ 12:29 am

Sorry I’m late, just left a D-Backs game and had to stop to watch a really lame peace demonstration near downtown Phoenix. At least the old folks are out making some noise, seems all the young ones are home banging on their keyboards like a chimpanzee.

Do they have any rights now?

And of course the White House sees this as veto material: The plebeians actually believed their rights were inalienable and now are rebelling against their Dear (mis)Leader.

Next thing you know, these commoners will demand to exercise their right to vote and that it be counted. Imagine the nerve.

Mitake Oyasin.

Comment by Wayne

That’s why I keep saying it’s time to RICO the friggin’ lot of ‘em.

I found it appropriately ironci that one of the bribes Duke Cunningham took was that antique French toilet. Kind of a fitting symblo for the whole shitty mess. In the end I was a lttile stunned at how LITTLE he actually willing to sell himself and the country away for.

The justice alert must be sounding right now.

Comment by Briseadh na Faire

Lapdogs that roll over on queue is the only trick they know after the last 6 years. Problem is that too many of the Democrats in office went along for the last 6 years. Not one fillibuster supported. Those are the ones we need real progressives to run against and replace themwith someone that will DO THE RIGHT THING.

The Souix have something they say, when entering a sweatlodge and during other spiritual activities.
Mitake Oyasin, which means literally All my relations. It is meant universally, that we are all related. Not only to all people, but to every part of the earth and its life.

We need people that will look to the future and do the right thing for now and for future generations

Too many of the Democrats currently in office as well as most of the republicans need to be removed from office. Too many are owned to Big Money ( Organized Crime ).

Mitake Oyasin.

F*** ANY ‘ POTENTIAL ‘ VETO BULLSH*T !!!

SCREW THAT RED FLAG CRAP !!!

DO THE RIGHT GD THING !!!

JEEBUS CONGRESS IT IS TIME TO GROW A SET AND MAN THE F*** UP !!!!