Comments on: Experts Charge Bush Ignored Contradictory Intelligence Reports In Coast Guard Speech http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:23:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: j7915 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3826993 j7915 Tue, 29 May 2007 15:47:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3826993 #66 MisterOpus "Yes, free elections and a constitution for a Shiite fundamentalist Islamic regime in leagues with our best buddy, Iran. A government with wonderful out of control death squads. Such a terrific prop. Good one." As opposed to having a Sunni minority government supportd by our best buddies the Saudis. and supporting the fortunes of the oilies? #66 MisterOpus
“Yes, free elections and a constitution for a Shiite fundamentalist Islamic regime in leagues with our best buddy, Iran. A government with wonderful out of control death squads. Such a terrific prop. Good one.”
As opposed to having a Sunni minority government supportd by our best buddies the Saudis. and supporting the fortunes of the oilies?

]]> By: davidual http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3824597 davidual Sun, 27 May 2007 01:38:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3824597 It is amazing how our commander guy comes in and out of consciousness, first he's telling bin Laden to bring it on, then he's not very concerned about him, and now he is all full of accusations of his misdeeds in Iraq. One can plainly see the one-dimensional world in which Mr. Bush lives. It is amazing how our commander guy comes in and out of consciousness, first he’s telling bin Laden to bring it on, then he’s not very concerned about him, and now he is all full of accusations of his misdeeds in Iraq. One can plainly see the one-dimensional world in which Mr. Bush lives.

]]> By: JTitor http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3824557 JTitor Sun, 27 May 2007 00:52:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3824557 <strong>For our beloved Trolls: Hundreds boo former Bush chief of staff at University of Massachusetts commencement ceremony:</strong> http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Hundreds_boo_former_Bush_Chief_of_0526.html For our beloved Trolls: Hundreds boo former Bush chief of staff at University of Massachusetts commencement ceremony:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Hundreds_boo_former_Bush_Chief_of_0526.html

]]> By: JTitor http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3824440 JTitor Sat, 26 May 2007 23:26:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3824440 Comment by DreamCrusher — First off the Clinton administration official that came out was Steven Simon. Second, the letter that tie all this together is not new NEWS? You need to actually read the article. You want to make it sound like some pissed off liberals against the Bush administration are attacking his intelligence debriefing. When in fact the Senate committee report said that Saddam didn’t know that Zarqawi was in Baghdad for medical treatment; at one point, the report said, Saddam's intelligence service actually formed a "special committee" to try to track down and apprehend Zarqawi. But Bush didn't mention that? Comment by DreamCrusher — First off the Clinton administration official that came out was Steven Simon. Second, the letter that tie all this together is not new NEWS? You need to actually read the article. You want to make it sound like some pissed off liberals against the Bush administration are attacking his intelligence debriefing. When in fact the Senate committee report said that Saddam didn’t know that Zarqawi was in Baghdad for medical treatment; at one point, the report said, Saddam’s intelligence service actually formed a “special committee” to try to track down and apprehend Zarqawi. But Bush didn’t mention that?

]]> By: DreamCrusher http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3824099 DreamCrusher Sat, 26 May 2007 21:08:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3824099 JTitor, <em>Actually, Rand Beer’s served on the NSC under Presidents Ronald Reagan, George Herbert Walker Bush, Bill Clinton and the current Bush, but you won’t hear DreamCrusher tell you that.</em> And that helps him know current intelligence 4 years after he quit the government.... how? Spudge, OK, what would you like me to call Clinton's sycophants, many of which were in his administration? JTitor,

Actually, Rand Beer’s served on the NSC under Presidents Ronald Reagan, George Herbert Walker Bush, Bill Clinton and the current Bush, but you won’t hear DreamCrusher tell you that.

And that helps him know current intelligence 4 years after he quit the government…. how?

Spudge,

OK, what would you like me to call Clinton’s sycophants, many of which were in his administration?

]]> By: kasinca http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3824061 kasinca Sat, 26 May 2007 20:49:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3824061 The commander guy doesn't use intelligence...he is the decider! The commander guy doesn’t use intelligence…he is the decider!

]]> By: kasinca http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3824058 kasinca Sat, 26 May 2007 20:46:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3824058 To the trolls...who needs intelligence when you have the decider? To the trolls…who needs intelligence when you have the decider?

]]> By: curmudgeon http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3824030 curmudgeon Sat, 26 May 2007 20:31:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3824030 The "surge" has helped the United States to achieve a historic first since the invasion and occupation of Iraq began in March, 2003 -- as of today, for the first time, the United States' military fatalities has reached triple figures (104 in April, 2007, and 101 for far this month, with five days left to go). The “surge” has helped the United States to achieve a historic first since the invasion and occupation of Iraq began in March, 2003 — as of today, for the first time, the United States’ military fatalities has reached triple figures (104 in April, 2007, and 101 for far this month, with five days left to go).

]]> By: Spudge_Boy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3823953 Spudge_Boy Sat, 26 May 2007 19:47:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3823953 Yeah, using the term "Clintonista" will gain you a lot of credibility. Yeah, using the term “Clintonista” will gain you a lot of credibility.

]]> By: JTitor http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3823933 JTitor Sat, 26 May 2007 19:37:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3823933 DreamCrusher? Did you get your name from a new softdrink. Maybe one that poisen's the minds of small children, and makes adults puke violently? A little background on Rand Beers earned a B.A. from Dartmouth College in 1964. Following graduation he served in the Marines (1964-1968), acting as Rifle Company Commander during his stint in Vietnam. After he returned from duty, Beers earned an M.A. from the University of Michigan in 1970. "Beers entered the foreign service in 1971, working for the Department of State in the Bureau of Politico-Military Affairs, where he held a number of positions, including: deputy assistant secretary for regional affairs and export control, deputy for strategy and the operations coordinator for regional affairs and security assistance, director of the Office of Security Analysis and the Office of International Security Policy, and deputy director of the Office of Policy Analysis. He then served on the National Security Council staff in various positions, including senior director and special assistant to the President for intelligence programs. No. You know better then him. And of course Bush knows more then this slouch. DreamCrusher? Did you get your name from a new softdrink. Maybe one that poisen’s the minds of small children, and makes adults puke violently?

A little background on Rand Beers earned a B.A. from Dartmouth College in 1964. Following graduation he served in the Marines (1964-1968), acting as Rifle Company Commander during his stint in Vietnam. After he returned from duty, Beers earned an M.A. from the University of Michigan in 1970.

“Beers entered the foreign service in 1971, working for the Department of State in the Bureau of Politico-Military Affairs, where he held a number of positions, including: deputy assistant secretary for regional affairs and export control, deputy for strategy and the operations coordinator for regional affairs and security assistance, director of the Office of Security Analysis and the Office of International Security Policy, and deputy director of the Office of Policy Analysis. He then served on the National Security Council staff in various positions, including senior director and special assistant to the President for intelligence programs.

No. You know better then him. And of course Bush knows more then this slouch.

]]> By: JTitor http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3823922 JTitor Sat, 26 May 2007 19:33:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3823922 77. Actually, Rand Beer's served on the NSC under Presidents Ronald Reagan, George Herbert Walker Bush, Bill Clinton and the current Bush, but you won't hear DreamCrusher tell you that. 77. Actually, Rand Beer’s served on the NSC under Presidents Ronald Reagan, George Herbert Walker Bush, Bill Clinton and the current Bush, but you won’t hear DreamCrusher tell you that.

]]> By: JessWonderin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3823888 JessWonderin Sat, 26 May 2007 19:21:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3823888 MisterOpus1 - very well said - too bad the 28%ers don't let facts get in the way of mouthing the Party Line - "bring'm on . . . . I'll be in Alabama . . . call me . . ." MisterOpus1 – very well said – too bad the 28%ers don’t let facts get in the way of mouthing the Party Line –

“bring’m on . . . . I’ll be in Alabama . . . call me . . .”

]]> By: DreamCrusher http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3823874 DreamCrusher Sat, 26 May 2007 19:16:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3823874 Rand Beers, Clintonista, been out of government since 2003. What does he know about current intelligence on threats emerging from Iraq? Oh, that's right, diddly-squat. But of course a Clintonista propaganda outlet like Think Progress will "fix the facts" by not telling you that. Rand Beers, Clintonista, been out of government since 2003. What does he know about current intelligence on threats emerging from Iraq? Oh, that’s right, diddly-squat. But of course a Clintonista propaganda outlet like Think Progress will “fix the facts” by not telling you that.

]]> By: JTitor http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3823822 JTitor Sat, 26 May 2007 18:47:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3823822 Any comment by CaptainMantastic — So how's life in Trollville? Still posting dillussional propaganda I see? Why don't you get a real job? Maybe like circus clown, or cherry stuffer at the Hersey's factory. You have to earn your right to say things about TP. Don't come trolling in here and spew what you don't even understand. Go to FOX and whine there about propogandizing anything and everything they can get their little slimy hands on. Leave TP for the big boys and girls. Any comment by CaptainMantastic — So how’s life in Trollville? Still posting dillussional propaganda I see? Why don’t you get a real job? Maybe like circus clown, or cherry stuffer at the Hersey’s factory. You have to earn your right to say things about TP. Don’t come trolling in here and spew what you don’t even understand. Go to FOX and whine there about propogandizing anything and everything they can get their little slimy hands on. Leave TP for the big boys and girls.

]]> By: kasinca http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3823816 kasinca Sat, 26 May 2007 18:43:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3823816 How can trolls be so stupid to still support facts and reality when it comes to Dubya the biggest failure of all time? It is amazing to me that there are 13% of Americans who strongly support this failed little drunk, no matter what...then there is the other 15% that supports him somewhat...and then you have the 72% that recognizes a fool when they see one. Dubya and his crime family are all thugs and need to be removed from our White House. How can trolls be so stupid to still support facts and reality when it comes to Dubya the biggest failure of all time? It is amazing to me that there are 13% of Americans who strongly support this failed little drunk, no matter what…then there is the other 15% that supports him somewhat…and then you have the 72% that recognizes a fool when they see one. Dubya and his crime family are all thugs and need to be removed from our White House.

]]> By: Spudge_Boy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3823814 Spudge_Boy Sat, 26 May 2007 18:41:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3823814 And also don't forget how we let all of the Saudis leave the United States on aircraft while all other aircrafts were grounded after 9/11. Most important of those being some bin Ladens that we could have questioned for the where abouts of Osama. Then there is the fact that 15 of the 19 9/11 high jackers were Saudi. Then it is the opposition AMERICANS that are called traitors for asking why. EVIL CORRUPTION And also don’t forget how we let all of the Saudis leave the United States on aircraft while all other aircrafts were grounded after 9/11. Most important of those being some bin Ladens that we could have questioned for the where abouts of Osama. Then there is the fact that 15 of the 19 9/11 high jackers were Saudi. Then it is the opposition AMERICANS that are called traitors for asking why.

EVIL CORRUPTION

]]> By: croatoan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3823788 croatoan Sat, 26 May 2007 18:19:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3823788 President Bush <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/" rel="nofollow">avoided attacking Zarqawi</a> on three occasions before the invasion. President Bush avoided attacking Zarqawi on three occasions before the invasion.

]]> By: MisterOpus1 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3823783 MisterOpus1 Sat, 26 May 2007 18:13:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3823783 I think it's also worth remembering how we apparently took our eye off the ball on al Qaeda and bin Laden being on the run in Tora Bora, and giving that duty up to CORRUPT Afghan warlords instead while we start our "little" war that was supposed to end in weeks with the initial intent of disarming Saddam (to which the UN weapons inspectors were examining but were then told to leave by us). I think it’s also worth remembering how we apparently took our eye off the ball on al Qaeda and bin Laden being on the run in Tora Bora, and giving that duty up to CORRUPT Afghan warlords instead while we start our “little” war that was supposed to end in weeks with the initial intent of disarming Saddam (to which the UN weapons inspectors were examining but were then told to leave by us).

]]> By: Spudge_Boy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3823781 Spudge_Boy Sat, 26 May 2007 18:12:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3823781 MisterOpus1, You would also have to completely ignore the fact that George Bush wanted to invade Iraq before 9/11 even happened. 9/11 just gave Bush and PNAC their "new Pearl Harbor" and an excuse to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people, for profit. MisterOpus1,

You would also have to completely ignore the fact that George Bush wanted to invade Iraq before 9/11 even happened. 9/11 just gave Bush and PNAC their “new Pearl Harbor” and an excuse to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people, for profit.

]]> By: Badger http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/comment-page-2/#comment-3823778 Badger Sat, 26 May 2007 18:07:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/26/bush-intel/#comment-3823778 Captain I don't think you can dismiss how the War was prosecuted. Almost everyone, myself included, thought Saddam was evil and dangerous....and wanted him and his sons Gone. But he was NOT involved in the tragic attack on Sept. 11. If anything , he was a major force Against Islamic Fundamentalists like Bin Laden. Toppling him without a good plan for what comes next was a tragic error on Bush's part. And toppling him without major World support ,like Papa Bush had in 1991, caused America to lose something extremely valuable...the moral highground we had after 911. So I don't believe that a decision ,even for a good end , without thinking about the full implications of that decision, is Rational. Especially a decision to go to WAR. Captain I don’t think you can dismiss how the War was prosecuted.
Almost everyone, myself included, thought Saddam was evil and dangerous….and wanted him and his sons Gone.

But he was NOT involved in the tragic attack on Sept. 11. If anything , he was a major force Against Islamic Fundamentalists like Bin Laden. Toppling him without a good plan for what comes next was a tragic error on Bush’s part. And toppling him without major World support ,like Papa Bush had in 1991, caused America to lose something extremely valuable…the moral highground we had after 911.
So I don’t believe that a decision ,even for a good end , without thinking about the full implications of that decision, is Rational. Especially a decision to go to WAR.

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